I'm not anti-gun, and I'd recommend carrying both bear spray and a gun, but not just any gun--one capable of taking down a bear, like a .375 or a 12 gauge shotgun with slugs, or if someone is really proficient with handguns, a .44. I'm just trying to bring some reason and empirical evidence into the anti-bear spray discussion. Really, without diminishing Orr's experience, he got off pretty lightly when it comes to bear mailings--I'm speaking in relative terms here. Sure looks to me like the bear spray worked for kayak girl.