OK, one more post, then it's on to the research. I believe Tier 1 for new hires ended at the end of 1995. That's decades ago, all right, but it means if you hired at the end of 1995, you'll have your 30 years in 2025. That's a lot more years of guaranteeing those big Tier 1 benefits. I found that there are still over 34,000 active Tier 1 employees. That's a lot of people. It definitely is not fair to say to them "We promised too much" but by the time the last Tier 1 employee retires, we might wish the state had said "We promised too much, and if you want anything at all, you'll need to expect a little less". Never happen, I know, but we're staring a major funding crisis in the face, not tomorrow, but right now. It's unimaginable what Oregon will look like by 2025 if PERS keeps gobbling up tax dollars at the rate it is.