Still, I benefitted from thinking through some of these issues, and I’m delighted to announce that I’ve developed a completely new approach to the ‘impact’ of my Thucydides research. This is an area that has often made me feel rather uneasy; is it possible both to question the crude, instrumentalist use of Thucydides (as I spend much of my time, not only here but in print, doing) and at the same time to try to devise uses of Thucydides that are sufficiently crude and instrumentalist to generate the sorts of evidence that could conceivably constitute an Impact Case Study? Yes, I’m doing my best to come up with ways of using the Melian Dialogue (or, as my wife’s iPad calls it. Amelia’s Dialogue) as a way of getting people to think through complex issues of power, justice, inequality etc. rather than as a source of pat answers on those topics – and I’m all too aware of how little interest there may be in this. But I have suddenly seen the way forward, recognising the simple need to turn things inside out.
As I’ve discussed in previous blogs, there has been increased interest in Thucydides in recent years in China, with even Premier Xi making comments on the subject. In fact, it might be better to describe this as unwilling interest, forced to respond to questions about the so-called ‘Thucydides Trap’, the alleged inevitability of war between the US and China and so forth. This must be very, very annoying, if not rather mystifying. Reading through this morning’s newspaper reports of the forthcoming state visit to London, it suddenly came to me: could China’s new friendly attitude towards the UK be due not just to our desperation for their money to invest in nuclear power stations and the like, but also to the relative absence of Thucydides from British public discourse, so that Xi does not have to spend any time batting away such questions? And, if so, how far can this blog’s tireless efforts in questioning reductive Thucydides quotes, not to mention regularly attacking the bloody Thucydides trap, claim some of the credit for this?
Maybe in the light of demographic change being in the news at the moment, the Sphinx could do something on that in the ancient world….don’t know if Thucydides was interested in fertility rates though.
Interesting question. Thucydides doesn’t really have anything much to say on the subject. Ancient authors generally, insofar as they mention it, take it entirely for granted that more population must be a good thing; after all, this is where your army comes from. Occasional worries about too many people being in one place (e.g. migration to the city of Rome), but most discussions are focused on concern about declining population (e.g. the Gracchan crisis in the late Roman republic). I think Walter Scheidel, who is of course *the* historian of Roman demography, comments somewhere about the ‘natalist’ ideology of ancient states, that more is always better, even when we might expect this to lead to problems (the whole Malthusian trap thing).
Very interesting. Thank you. And +1 to my list of intellectual traps. Scheidel’s book on China and Rome is on the shelf but not yet read. I find out he is not yet even 50.