Project Manager: Well hi everyone again .
User Interface: Hello .
Industrial Designer: Hello .
Marketing: Hello
Project Manager: Um {vocalsound} like before we uh {disfmarker} I have to redo the meetings from {vocalsound} {disfmarker} n th the minutes from the last meeting
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: and so here we go . Uh it was discussed in the last meeting uh which was opened by the presentation from the interface um designer {vocalsound} that uh looks would be very important on this new remote
User Interface: Designer . {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound}
Project Manager: and um it is to send messages of course to the T_V_ . It should have nine channel buttons , a next button , volume buttons , subtitle buttons , switch to control features , colour contrast , sharpness etcetera . It should have a memory switch , a mute button in case the telephone rings or something . Uh speech recognition is one of her very f favourite personal uh features she would like see d d to be integrated in this um in this new remote . Um . {vocalsound} Should be child friendly design with few buttons , colourful maybe with s star shaped or other shaped buttons . Um she uh presented also an oversized remote which she guarantees nobody will ever be able to lose .
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Project Manager: Um {disfmarker}
Marketing: And she was challenged on that point {vocalsound}
Project Manager: {vocalsound} that's right . {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Project Manager: But uh her very f personal favourite really she , she would very much like to see a speech recogniser integrated in this remote . The industrial designer um presented her uh {vocalsound} thoughts on the issue . She would like a special case made out of plastic that is very strong , not using any harmful materials , should be recyclable and should be colourful . Should have an integrated circuit board that's highly sophisticated and temperature resistant . She would like to see a timer and or alarm facility integrated . Uh technically this thing would also have a resistor and a capacitor , diode transistor , resonator , and if possible a rechargeable battery . Uh and of course a circuit board . And how it would works , you press the button , the chip is morse {disfmarker} morse code related relays the {disfmarker} uh to the generat to the generator amplification and uh the circuit board is very inexpensive to build and so she thinks this is a great feature uh to to to consider .
Marketing: Okay .
Project Manager: She would like uh {disfmarker} this whole thing should be push buttons with a simple chip uh scrolling method is more expensive and not that practical anymore . Should be battery operated and of course she would have the special cases . The marketing expert uh who has to finally come up with {disfmarker} to to to market this product has been watching the competition , has done some research on the internet and also has used h her personal observations to come up with the fact that such a remote sh should be small , easy to use and it should be eye catching . From her point of view of course one of the most important facts is that we should get to market before our competition does . To do that uh maybe one or two features should be developed on which we could dwell on or in other words on which our campaign could be built on . Too many new features or too many points would only confuse matter . So we prefer to have one or two features that can be really uh driven home . Um it should have a fruit and vegetable design and should have a soft feel . She feels that's really what people want today . And the decision that we took last time was that uh the special feature we would like to see is a speech recogniser , the energy should be battery uh should be on a chip , should be trendy design , compact and strong , and should have buttons . And that concludes the presentation from the last minutes {disfmarker} from the last meeting . Now uh we are ready for the presentation of the prototype .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: Just the look like , the button part I'll explain .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . Uh so this is our {disfmarker} what uh we have made . This is a model of the remote control which we are going to build .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Uh this is us in a snail shape so uh it it is attractive
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: um and it's {disfmarker} it's blue in colour uh bright and uh it has yellow buttons and all the different colour buttons
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: so it is a {disfmarker} uh uh a {disfmarker} looks-wise it is beautiful .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Uh and also compact in shape .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Uh um and also i it it will be easily fit into {disfmarker} into the hands and you can access all the buttons easily .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Good .
Industrial Designer: Yeah ,
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: oops , sorry . {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound} You used to have all the buttons {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um yeah and um uh the material which we are going to use for the case is uh plastic and uh w which which is s strong um uh and also uh for the {disfmarker} Um the material is plastic and uh for the buttons it is uh s soft rubber um and als
Marketing: Oh that's good ,
Industrial Designer: yeah .
Marketing: no , that's nice and friendly .
Industrial Designer: Yeah because uh uh you'll be touching the buttons more so it is soft when you touch it .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm ,
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: And then um uh for the {disfmarker} for the led , for the light emitting diode it is a fluorescent green
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: and it's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} it is a bulb like an ordinary infrared .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: And {disfmarker} and the button {disfmarker} button's part uh will be explained by F Francina .
User Interface: Okay .
Marketing: Okay .
User Interface: Now the um {disfmarker} we decided upon including certain features on our remote . Now these features includes the s um signal emitting uh signal {disfmarker} it's the led or L_E_D_ the infrared .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm ,
Marketing: Yeah , okay , mm-hmm .
Project Manager: mm-hmm .
User Interface: Now uh we have included the switch on and off button .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: Now we have included another feature that is the mute button
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: on the side of the model . Then we have included one to nine buttons
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: for controlling the programmes {disfmarker} the different channels .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: We have also included two buttons for increasing or decreasing the volume .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: And we have also included two buttons for scrolling up and scrolling down the programme channels . Now our {disfmarker} our model also contains a button which is called as the menu button .
Marketing: Mm .
Project Manager: What kind of button ?
User Interface: Menu button .
Project Manager: Menu ? Uh menu th menu , uh one one .
User Interface: Yes , menu {disfmarker}
Marketing: Menu button . {vocalsound}
User Interface: At the centre
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: we have included a button which is fluorescent green colour and this is the menu button which will control the colour , sharpness , brightness
Marketing: Mm-hmm . Of the screen . Mm , mm-hmm .
User Interface: of this uh picture . We have also included a button which is called as the swapping button . Now this is uh a special , special feature which we have included . Now this button is an elongated shaped button and this is slightly flexible so if it is turned towards the right it will take to the previous channel , if it is turned towards the right it will take to the next channel . It will take the user to the previous and the next channel so this is a swapping button .
Marketing: The next channel in the numeric pattern , or {disfmarker}
User Interface: No , swapping is if if example you're {disfmarker} you're watching the second channel and then you go to the tenth channel and if you want to go back to the second channel you can swap , this button .
Marketing: Yeah , mm-hmm . Mm .
User Interface: Yes .
Marketing: Okay , okay .
User Interface: And at the end , it {disfmarker} this remote has inbuilt voice recogniser which c which will recognise the user's voice and then it'll act accordingly .
Project Manager: Okay . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .
User Interface: So this is our proposed model .
Marketing: Okay .
User Interface: Now the marketing expert has to
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Tell , yeah .
User Interface: give her suggestion whether it'll be sellable {vocalsound} or it'll be cost effective .
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay , well um what {disfmarker} what I really like a lot about it is that you can reach the whole thing with one thumb ,
User Interface: Yes , yes .
Marketing: that you can really hold it in one h you don't need two hands
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: and it's easily reachable even for somebody with a small hand , yeah ?
Project Manager: Yes the buttons are all raised , right ?
Marketing: The buttons are all raised
Project Manager: Are raised , mm-hmm .
User Interface: Yes .
Marketing: and if you hold it in the centre of your hand you can even reach it over here so you don't have to turn it around , turn it upside down , move it up , up and down ,
Project Manager: Right . Or have two hands to operate it , yeah .
Marketing: I really like that .
User Interface: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: You really did a good job on that , my little designers .
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound} Um and um I like the idea that the on-off button is in a really prominent place . That's that's a really good good thing .
Project Manager: Yes , and it sort of sticks up so that you really {disfmarker}
Marketing: Yeah , that's great .
Project Manager: you don't have to g first go like oh yeah here it's on and yeah , mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Hmm . Mm-hmm .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: Abs okay .
Marketing: The colour's very attractive . Um the um these buttons uh around here are the mute
User Interface: No , these {disfmarker} the front buttons which are here , are the mute buttons .
Marketing: and {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} mm-hmm On both sides they're mute ?
User Interface: Yes , yes .
Marketing: So you can push either one ?
User Interface: Yes .
Marketing: Okay .
Project Manager: So if you're left-handed or right-handed it doesn't matter .
Marketing: And this brings the menu up on the screen ?
User Interface: {vocalsound} Pardon me ? This is the menu {disfmarker} yes , yes .
Marketing: This brings the menu up on the screen and the orange ones are {disfmarker}
User Interface: A the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these two are th to increase or decrease the volumes ,
Marketing: Okay .
User Interface: and these two are to uh scroll the programme channels .
Marketing: F f okay .
User Interface: Scroll up or scroll down the channels .
Marketing: Right , very good . Uh it looks mm looks like something I can sell .
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Marketing: Okay and now I'm supposed to {disfmarker}
Project Manager: Well , I have one question
Marketing: yeah .
Project Manager: uh will there be anything written on the buttons , like that people know , or they have to learn that from a piece of paper which button does what ?
User Interface: Yes , it will have uh {disfmarker} these buttons will have the numbers and all the rest of the buttons will have symbols .
Industrial Designer: Ah . Yeah , definitely .
Project Manager: Will have symbols so that that {disfmarker} that the user really knows you know and doesn't have to first learn it {disfmarker}
User Interface: Yes , which can be easily recognised .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah .
Marketing: Good point because we need the symbols 'cause we're going into an international market we can't have anything that's language dependent .
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: Yeah of course , and also {disfmarker}
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
Project Manager: Yeah . But anyway it would ha i i i it has to have some kind of of symbols , text or something so that people kn
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: Yeah we can {disfmarker} Text .
Marketing: Symbols on it . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: Text that we can have on the case itself ,
Project Manager: That's right .
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: we can {disfmarker} it will be printed on the case and symbols as well as the buttons . Yeah .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Okay , yeah just wanted make sure of that mm-hmm .
User Interface: And {disfmarker} and one more feature is we we have a holder for this remote which is an oyster shape .
Marketing: Mm , 'kay , mm . Mm-hmm .
User Interface: A shell shape .
Marketing: For the snail , yeah , mm-hmm ,
Project Manager: Right , mm-hmm .
User Interface: Yes , yes .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . So it is {disfmarker}
Marketing: {vocalsound} we have the snail shell .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: Yes , snail shell .
Industrial Designer: yeah ,
Marketing: He goes right back into his shell .
Industrial Designer: yeah {disfmarker} shell .
Project Manager: Right .
User Interface: Yes .
Marketing: Well you know I think we could do something really funny with this too because the snail is known to be slow
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: and we could have some sort of little comic effect on our marketing about how this is a rapid snail or something like that
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Mm .
User Interface: {vocalsound} Y Yes {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , of course , yeah .
Marketing: you know that would , that would really work .
Project Manager: Now what , what are our special features for the marketing ?
Marketing: So {disfmarker}
Project Manager: That's really the voice recognition that's really unusual {disfmarker}
Marketing: I think voice recognition is our big selling point
Industrial Designer: Mm . Mm-hmm .
Marketing: 'cause nobody else seems to have that in in this price range .
Industrial Designer: Mm .
Project Manager: And then , and then the other thing would basically be sh shape or practicality of use .
Marketing: Yep
Project Manager: You know .
Marketing: uh well I think that everybody's gonna say their remote control is practical . I think we have to , we have to dwell on on on the appearance .
Project Manager: Colours . Mm-hmm .
Marketing: We're really gonna have the be the
Project Manager: Cutest .
Marketing: cutest remote control on the block .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Mm .
Marketing: So I think we have to play with the image , play with the snail image um play with the visual and then the voice recognition .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: I think those are the two things to push . The look and the voice recognition . They're gonna be our two selling points .
Project Manager: Okay , now uh having said that {disfmarker}
Marketing: I'm supposed to make a little presentation , aren't I ?
Project Manager: No , now this was our evaluation criteria which we uh just have done .
Marketing: Okay .
Project Manager: Now we're gonna talk about financing . {vocalsound}
Marketing: Ah , but in my instructions I think it said I was supposed to go to the board and do something .
Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well , there is a production evaluation .
Marketing: No ?
Project Manager: Is that you ?
Marketing: Yeah , that's me .
Project Manager: But that's after the financing .
Marketing: Oh , okay .
Project Manager: See ? Fi see ?
Marketing: Sorry , sorry . Mm-mm .
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Project Manager: Um . {vocalsound} Okay , we had looks and voice recognition . Okay now on the financing we bring up the mm there it is . Okay uh energy source we say that's battery , right ?
Industrial Designer: Mm .
Marketing: That's right .
Project Manager: Okay , now . So we {disfmarker} I guess we use one .
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: What ? T cell or chart you are trying to change is protected . Well , that's nice . She told me I could just ch change it here and then it would {disfmarker} It doesn't work . Hmm .
Marketing: Can you just fill it in in the yellow boxes ? Or {disfmarker}
Project Manager: Oh , okay yeah , okay ,
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: let's see . Okay , one , okay .
User Interface: Yes .
Project Manager: Oh go away . Um kinetic source so that's {disfmarker} in the energy source that's all we need .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Uh electronics , simple chip on print ? Is that's what we're using ?
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: Yeah ,
Project Manager: One of those ?
Industrial Designer: yeah .
Project Manager: Come on . Okay , one . Uh regular chip on print . No . That's all we need , the one
Industrial Designer: No . Yeah .
Project Manager: {disfmarker} case , uncurved flat , single curved , double curved .
Marketing: Well . {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: This is a {disfmarker}
User Interface: Single curve ? Mm .
Marketing: I guess it's double curved .
Project Manager: Double curved ? One of those ?
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Case materi s supplements . Plastic we said , right ?
User Interface: Plastic .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Uh wood , rubber ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Rubber , because we're gonna have the soft buttons .
Project Manager: Uh but , yes but {disfmarker}
Industrial Designer: I think uh that is uh f for rubbers that is uh {disfmarker} yeah case material .
Project Manager: That's just for the case material ,
User Interface: Is this for the case ? Yes .
Project Manager: so special colours though , we having that ,
Marketing: Oh okay , the mm-hmm , mm' kay .
Project Manager: right ?
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: And then we have to interface push buttons .
User Interface: Yes .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Scroll wheel , no . Integrated scroll wheel , L_C_ display ?
User Interface: No .
Marketing: No ,
Project Manager: Button .
Marketing: 'cause we didn't put the clock in it after all , right ?
Project Manager: No .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Uh , button supplement special colour ?
User Interface: Speci Yes
Project Manager: Special form ?
User Interface: Yes d we do have special form .
Marketing: Yes .
Project Manager: And special material , rubber , wood , yes .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Total seven point six whatever that means .
Industrial Designer: Uh , I think that's the price .
Project Manager: That's the price .
User Interface: One two three four five six seven eight nine
Project Manager: Mm ?
Industrial Designer: Maybe it {disfmarker} is it just {disfmarker} n
Project Manager: Eight , eight point two . That's {disfmarker}
User Interface: Nine points ,
Project Manager: hmm ?
User Interface: okay , yes .
Project Manager: Eight point two , right ? So , we {disfmarker} looks like we are well within budget .
User Interface: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Okay . I guess I should save this I suppose , huh ?
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: Oops . Uh-huh huh huh .
User Interface: On the desktop .
Project Manager: I just tried that . My documents , computer .
Industrial Designer: AMI .
Project Manager: My compu Ah oh here it is , yes .
Industrial Designer: AMI should for
Project Manager: Okay , fine . Save . Okay good , so that's the good news . We gonna be popular .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um . So that uh {disfmarker} I think financing was pretty simple .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Now we would like to have a presentation by the marketing expert on production evaluation .
Marketing: Okay , I'll take my file down so you can bring it up . 'Kay should be able to get it now . 'Kay , why don't you move just to the next slide right away .
Project Manager: You wanna go to the next slide ?
Marketing: Yeah right away .
Project Manager: Okay .
Marketing: Okay , well uh obviously my method for uh s m the marketing of this thing is first to ask the big question , will it sell ? And I think we should show this prototype to people from various age and socio-economic groups and see about any fine tuning that {disfmarker} maybe little things we haven't thought of .
User Interface: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: We can't accept every suggestion of course , but maybe we just need to get a few .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: And show the the prototype to consumer research groups , we don't s want somebody to suddenly come to us and tell us that this button is toxic and you know some child will swallow it and then we won't sell any .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Mm .
Marketing: So we have to get some input from those people .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: And then after that we just have to go with our best intuition and you know we like it , we think it's good , we're gonna get behind it and sell it . Um , next slide please . Okay , now the things that I was thinking and th my wish list has really been realised in this prototype . I wanted the shape to be biomorphic , I didn't want anything with angles and all square , I wanted it to be comfy and roundy so we we've got that . The size is small , the colour's bright and warm which is what we wanted . We wanted the feel to be as soft as possible , we'll have the soft buttons
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: and the way this is shaped , even though it's gonna be hard plastic , it feels good in your hand so that's nice . And functionality I put last on my list because people aren't going to use it before they buy it .
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound} So paradoxically the other features , in other words , the look , the feel um and the shape , that's what people are gonna get in the store .
User Interface: Fee selling .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: They don't have a television in the store , they can't play with it .
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Um so they'll be our main selling points . So um {vocalsound} th those have been fulfilled by your prototype and go ahead to the next slide please . Okay , so um the shape um I think is a {disfmarker} a one . That's really , really excellent shape . The size is small um and th these points are in the importance for the , for the marketing , these aren't i in how I feel . I think that it's {disfmarker} I think that it's plenty small enough to sell but I think we're sort of right {disfmarker} the scale is one to seven . I think we're sort of right in the middle as far as c other competitors .
User Interface: Okay .
Marketing: And our colour I think is great . The colours are bright and warm and we really do great job there . And given um the constraints that we had I think we got it as soft as possible . And then functionality um I think you did a really good job on functionality , obviously we could have ad added different functions but then we'd disturb something else so I would say that we got to a five out of seven on on functionality .
User Interface: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: So I think that basically we've got a great product and we can get off and running with it .
Project Manager: Um I just realised one thing .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: In the financing there was no room for our voice recogniser .
Marketing: Yes .
User Interface: Yes .
Marketing: Ah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: And uh I don't know how we can evaluate that or how we can include that , too .
Marketing: Well , um we had what , eight eight euros twenty as our cost ?
Project Manager: Eight , eight twenty , yes .
Industrial Designer: Eight twenty so {disfmarker}
Marketing: And so we've got {disfmarker} we've still got four euros to go {disfmarker} to spend .
Industrial Designer: We have um four euros , yeah
Project Manager: I mean maximum we have another four point three euros I mean {vocalsound} four thirty .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . Well um that's {disfmarker}
Project Manager: But I mean we have no way of presenting that to management as you know as a f finished , as a finished product and saying okay with the voice recogniser that costs so much .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: So um we just have to beware of that . I mean and know whether the four thirty will really cover that .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Well as we know in today's technic technological world you can do just about anything at any price , the the the problem is quality .
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Yeah {gap} .
Marketing: So we're just gonna have to settle for whatever quality that will buy us .
Industrial Designer: Yeah ,
User Interface: Yes , yes .
Industrial Designer: yeah .
Marketing: And um it may not be the greatest quality but it may sell anyway .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , still .
Marketing: {vocalsound} As we've seen with so many of these kinds of products . {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}
Project Manager: I'm sorry to interrupt then but I just uh recog I just remembered that there was no {disfmarker} that that was not um included uh {disfmarker} that there was no room for any special features , okay ?
Industrial Designer: Included , yeah . Hmm ,
User Interface: Yeah mm .
Industrial Designer: hmm
Project Manager: So to beware of that . You wanna go to this next slide , marketing expert ?
Marketing: Uh , well I isn't this my last slide ?
Project Manager: I dunno .
Marketing: Maybe .
Project Manager: Yes it is . Mm-hmm .
Marketing: Go ahead . I think that was my last slide , yeah . Um . Mm okay . And I'm supposed to present this scale on the whiteboard . Um and we're supposed to talk about those things as a team now , so if you put my last slide back up there .
Project Manager: Oh .
Marketing: I'm sorry I've um forgot to do that , um .
Project Manager: Why ? Wh why you need that up ?
Marketing: Hmm ? Well because I can't remember what I put on there . {vocalsound} Okay .
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Marketing: Now I'm supposed to see how long my leash is here .
Project Manager: I think you can make it there .
Marketing: Mm 'kay . You ready . So now we're all supposed to say what we think . Um okay so on shape I gave it a one . Wait what would you ra uh one being good and seven being the worst .
User Interface: Worse , okay .
Marketing: Um what do you think the shape is ?
User Interface: One .
Marketing: One , okay , and Be Betsy ?
Project Manager: Yes I think uh shape is one .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , even my {disfmarker} yeah , shape is one .
Marketing: Okay , uh-huh one , okay . And how about on size ? On size {disfmarker}
Project Manager: You {disfmarker} you gave it a four .
Marketing: I gave it a four , yeah , I feel it's just average .
Project Manager: Um , I dunno . I think I would give it at least a two .
Marketing: Okay .
User Interface: One .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , even I think it is one . It's quite small .
Marketing: Okay . Okay {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Marketing: you're the designer , of course you wanna give it a one .
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound} Um and then how about {disfmarker} how we doing on colour ?
Project Manager: Colour uh I {disfmarker}
Marketing: Colour , I gave it a one .
Project Manager: One .
Marketing: I really like all those nice bright , warm colours .
Project Manager: I {disfmarker} I like the colours . One .
User Interface: One . Yes .
Marketing: One .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , one .
Marketing: One , one , one , okay . And how about the feel ? Taking into um consideration texture and comfort in the hand .
Project Manager: Uh , I think I would give it a two .
Marketing: Okay , I gave it a three , two ,
User Interface: I'll give three .
Marketing: yeah ? Three .
Industrial Designer: Uh maybe two ,
Marketing: Two , okay .
Industrial Designer: yeah .
Marketing: And the next is functionality where I I admit I was a little hard on our team here , but {disfmarker}
Project Manager: Well it's also you can't really try it out uh the other things you have have more {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} are more tangible so from that point of view
Marketing: Yeah . Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: but um {disfmarker} I'll give it a three .
Marketing: Okay .
User Interface: Two .
Marketing: Two , okay .
Industrial Designer: Uh three , mm-hmm .
Marketing: Three ? Okay . Well , um . It looks like we've got got ourselves a pretty good product . Um the functionality's the only place where maybe we have to think about m m maybe , heaven forbid , having another meeting .
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound} But um otherwise I think we're {disfmarker} we're ready to go to {disfmarker} go with this product . Anybody else have any other comments or any other things that we feel we should evaluate ?
Project Manager: Uh . Here is what we looking at uh satisfaction on for example room for creativity . Um . Is there more room for creativity or are we absolutely happy ?
User Interface: We can always improve , yes .
Industrial Designer: Maybe we can {disfmarker} yeah , include some more buttons and uh um
User Interface: Yes , features .
Industrial Designer: yeah features . We can make the buttons {disfmarker} few buttons smaller . Uh I think they are quite big , so I think {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean we can just have small buttons and more buttons in that case . If we want to have more features than that .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . Well then again if we're gonna um {vocalsound} do the speech recognition thing we're gon there gonna be some buttons that are gonna have to be added for that for the recording of the the speech .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah , definitely .
User Interface: Yes . Voices .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: So that that's where we're gonna have to do {disfmarker} maybe we can eliminate one of the mute buttons , instead of having two mute buttons .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , definitely , yeah , two mu mute buttons .
User Interface: Yes . Yes .
Marketing: And um then maybe we can do something with the um the volume control . Maybe we can put that all on one button .
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
Marketing: Um and a couple of other th maybe comp uh consolidate some of the usage an and see what we can do with that .
Project Manager: Y um al always bearing in mind that right now we are of course well within the budget
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: And maybe {disfmarker}
Project Manager: and that we still you know we probably can't , with this particular item , we probably can't just uh add a whole lot of more things .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . No .
Project Manager: Uh um we need uh {disfmarker} you know we need to leave space money-wise for the voice recogniser .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: Yes .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Um .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: So th the question really is how do we feel with the project process ? Uh , um are we happy with the creativity that has passed here or we're not happy with the new product we created or that was created ? Uh I think {disfmarker} personally I think uh I'm pretty happy .
Marketing: I'm pretty happy with it too , yeah um ,
Project Manager: Um an
Industrial Designer: Even I'm happy .
Marketing: it's something I think I can market . Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: and then the next question is are we happy with the leadership of this project ? Uh {disfmarker}
Marketing: {vocalsound} I think you've done a good job , Miss leader . {vocalsound}
User Interface: Yes , yes you've done a good job .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah , definitely . {vocalsound}
Project Manager: And I think team work I think was very very good , I think we really {disfmarker}
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: Yeah I d I do too I think we worked well together as a team , yeah . Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: And uh I think we {disfmarker} are we happy with the means we used ? We used whiteboard , we didn't use digital p well digital pens I guess are these things .
Marketing: Yeah maybe we could've used the whiteboard a little bit more , yeah ,
User Interface: Whiteboard more , yes , yes .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , probably .
Marketing: we didn't use that enough .
Project Manager: Yes , we could . Uh , it's maybe not in the best position in the room um you know like sometimes it's positioned so that it's much better visible for everybody and I think from that point of view we sort of ignored it a little bit .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: Yes .
Marketing: And we used the slide because it was better positioned .
Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yes , I think so , I think absolutely ,
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: No .
Marketing: Mm I think that's true mm-hmm .
Project Manager: and fortunately we all had slides presentation which made it a little easier .
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
Project Manager: Um did we new {disfmarker} did we find new ideas ?
User Interface: Yes .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: I think we did .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , many .
Marketing: I think we were we were very good , yeah , mm .
Project Manager: I think we we did , uh in more than one respect and uh so I think we did very well here .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . Okay .
Project Manager: Are the costs within budget ? Yes , yes . Uh is the project evaluated ? Yes .
Marketing: Yes , yes .
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Um then celebration . {vocalsound}
Marketing: Celebration .
User Interface: Cel celebration {vocalsound} yes , yes . {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Ah . {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound} Today we have apple juice and after we sell m million of 'em we have champagne . {vocalsound}
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Project Manager: So I {disfmarker} I thank you all very much . Um , I think this was very good and um
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: I think we did come up with a new product that's uh feasible . Feasible from the production point of view and feasible from a marketing point of view .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: So , thank you .
Marketing: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: Thank you .
Industrial Designer: Thank you very much .
Marketing: Okay . Watch I I have my cord behind you here .
User Interface: Okay .
Marketing: Okay .
Project Manager: I always get it on here , but getting it off is {disfmarker}
Industrial Designer: Do we {disfmarker} do we have some time left ? Uh {disfmarker} you have {disfmarker}
User Interface: They say it's forty minutes .
Project Manager: Ah yes we have time later
Marketing: But we we were told we could end the final meeting at any time , whenever we felt we were finished .
Project Manager: but we don't {disfmarker}
User Interface: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Oh , alright .
Marketing: It'll take me the rest of the time to get my microphone out from my necklace . {vocalsound} Oh , there we go .


Industrial Designer: Now what .
Project Manager: 'Kay , hello everybody . Uh , I guess you all know what is it about , you all received the email , I guess . Uh , we are actually doing this meeting to start a new project which is about designing a remote control . So I'm going to be the project manager of this uh project . And uh so I'm {disfmarker} present myself . I'm Fabien Cardinaux and uh I I guess you can present yourself . So I dunno , you can starts .
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Okay , so my name is Petre {gap} . You can call me Petre {gap} , or Peter if you like . I don't care {gap} .
Project Manager: Okay .
Marketing: Uh my name's Bob Mor .
Project Manager: And you are ? In the project ?
Industrial Designer: Uh , in the project I'm supposed to be the technic .
Marketing: Oh , sorry .
Project Manager: {gap}
Marketing: 'Kay . So my name's Bob Morris . I'm the Marketing Expert for this project .
Industrial Designer: Bob ,
Marketing: Bob yeah .
Industrial Designer: okay .
User Interface: My name is Hamed Getabdar , and uh I'm going to be Interface Designer in this project .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: So , uh , so today we are doing a short meeting to present the project , so um We are gooding we are going to present the tool we are {vocalsound} we are going to use during all this project . We are talking about the project plan , and we are going to to discuss about st our first ideas and so on , and , yeah . So we have around twenty five minutes to do this meeting . Um . So what is the goal of this project ? Is to design a new remote control . So it should be , of course , new and original , and um it should be trendy , and user friendly . That mean it's a very challenging project , and uh uh . So w it's {disfmarker} we will try to do our best , and hopefully come with something very new and that people want to buy . So , um {disfmarker} So what's uh what are we going to do during this all this project ? So it's more like we are going to do inv individual work all in o in o our specialities and we are going to meet each other quite often to discuss and to find a good way . Um . Yeah and everything is {disfmarker} will be like this . Um so now we are going to to get used t to to the tools we are going to use all {disfmarker} during all this project . So we can try to use uh the whiteboard here . So {gap} uh .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: For example we can try to write what is our our favourite animal and write the f our favourite characteristics about it . Mm . Uh {vocalsound} . So uh {disfmarker} {gap} So I will ask you all to do the same .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: Just to get used to the whiteboard .
Industrial Designer: So probably I would try to try to draw the animal . Well sh should I draw the picture of the animal ?
Project Manager: Yeah , yeah , you can draw the picture , of course {vocalsound} .
Industrial Designer: I I th I think I should .
Marketing: Yeah go ahead .
Industrial Designer: Okay , so . Um {vocalsound} . Okay , American , um . Um . I would use the bird . So I tried to sketch it out . I had to first uh write it down because I am not absolutely sure if I can draw it , but ah . Can you recognise it {vocalsound} as a bird ?
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Okay {vocalsound} it's your turn to {disfmarker}
Marketing: Okay , okay . {vocalsound} So I think my favourite animal would be a c a cat .
Project Manager: Oh .
Marketing: That's its head .
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Marketing: Um I probably like cats the most because they're cuddly and furry and uh playful .
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {gap}
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Marketing: Okay .
User Interface: I dunno if I should go with this {gap} {vocalsound} .
Industrial Designer: Oh it's okay .
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
Marketing: Thanks . {vocalsound}
User Interface: If it is enough line .
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Maybe put it up
User Interface: {vocalsound} I'm sorry . {vocalsound}
Marketing: {disfmarker} Put it a Maybe put it on the desk or something .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: I should get used to the tool , so .
Marketing: {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh just wait {gap} a little bit . C could we put it here , to make it as straight as possible ?
User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ah probably not .
User Interface: {vocalsound} They should be remote .
Marketing: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Okay , it {disfmarker} it works like this .
Marketing: Uh , that's better .
User Interface: Okay , thanks .
Marketing: Your lapel microphone's fallen off .
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Are you left-handed ?
User Interface: No .
Industrial Designer: Oh , pity {vocalsound} .
User Interface: Okay . Should I clean ? {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound}
User Interface: Okay , I think like horses uh because they are strong and beautiful , so if I want to write it here , I think I can . {vocalsound} Oh {vocalsound} .
Marketing: {vocalsound}
Project Manager: Never mind . {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Ah , it's maybe better if you leave it .
Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah . Maybe we should just continue .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah , don't worry about it . {vocalsound}
User Interface: {gap}
Project Manager: {gap} , no worry .
Marketing: No .
Industrial Designer: {gap}
User Interface: Okay .
Industrial Designer: You won't draw them , or ?
Project Manager: You can draw it , if you want . {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
User Interface: I dunno if I can .
Marketing: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Just try . I would like to see how it looks like .
User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound} It may be like a cow or I dunno , whatever .
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound} I'm not good very good in drawing . Okay , so this is very {vocalsound} {disfmarker} It's a bird , I think . I dunno what is it . {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: No , I think it's clear .
User Interface: {vocalsound} Four . Okay . Mm-hmm . Mm . Yeah . I'm shameful {vocalsound}
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh that's good , it's good .
Industrial Designer: It's okay . It's in it's indeed beautiful .
Project Manager: Good .
Marketing: Yeah , and strong . {vocalsound}
Project Manager: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Marketing: {vocalsound}
User Interface: {vocalsound}
Marketing: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: Bob . Have to remember it . Bob .
Project Manager: So good um {disfmarker} So , let's talk about money . Uh we are going to to sell {disfmarker} we want to sell uh this remote control for twenty five Euro Euro . And uh our expected profit will be around fifty million Euro . And uh we are trying to to have a market all around the world . So {gap} n not only for Switzerland , but for the world . Uh . So , um . The {disfmarker} We expect a production cost of maximum uh twelve point fifty Euro .
Industrial Designer: Per unit , I guess .
Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah , of course .
Industrial Designer: Y oh okay .
Project Manager: Um , so we can start today to have a first idea of what we want to do what are our experiments with remote control , and any idea ? So , if you have some experience , good or bad , with remote controls you can share it and say what you f what is your idea . Anything .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Marketing: Well , from experience , um I've had remote controls in the past that have had very {disfmarker} they've had lots and lots of buttons and they've been very small , and it's been very hard to to to use , because there's so many buttons , and you know it's very hard to see which buttons do what , and the buttons are very small and very hard to press . Um and and normally you only every use , you know , on a T_V_ remote you only ever use , mostly , you know , f four or f six buttons . Um .
Project Manager: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Oh .
Marketing: So it's frustrated me in the past , th that .
Industrial Designer: Okay , I have also some points uh . Maybe two points . Uh first would be that in current remote controls there is no back light {vocalsound} , so if you are if you are uh playing with this in the dark room it's it's probably worth to to have something like uh back light .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: And maybe it could be also dependant on the the amount of of light in the room , so that if if it's in the day it doesn't need to be back lighted because it works on the battery , so . So something like this . And the second thing , f second point from me would be that in a normal remote control there is uh {disfmarker} there are two buttons for volume control .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: But I prefer like a potential-meter or something like .
Marketing: Ah , okay . Okay .
Industrial Designer: You know , some slider or {disfmarker}
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Not just two discrete buttons for volume ,
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: Okay , n {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: but something which {disfmarker}
Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yeah .
Marketing: Is that because the {disfmarker} of the discrete volume levels , or is that
Industrial Designer: Yeah , but I can reach {disfmarker} In uh one second I can mute it down , or or make a high volume .
Project Manager: {gap} Are you not afraid that if you take your remote control you can move the slide and it could {gap} {disfmarker} the the volume can go up very quickly
Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Ah , n .
Project Manager: and it can {disfmarker}
Industrial Designer: If it drops to the floor then it starts to scream {gap} .
Project Manager: Yeah , also if y when you take the the remote control , for example on the table , you take it and you push the button and everything is very loud , and
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , f It depends what what you feel about that .
Project Manager: you have a heart attack {vocalsound} . Okay .
Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah but we can we can think of these things afterwards , but if {gap} you have some more notes on that .
Project Manager: Yeah so you can {disfmarker}
User Interface: Uh I {disfmarker} Yeah ,
Project Manager: Do you have something ?
User Interface: just a simple experience . I uh I prefer um remote control working with radio waves , because remote control working with infra-red rays you should you should you should keep it in a specific direction and then try it hard to tune {gap} .
Project Manager: Yeah , that's true . Yeah without obstacles and {gap} .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: Okay . Let's continue .
Industrial Designer: Um .
Project Manager: I have a meeting in five minutes , so maybe we should hurry .
Marketing: Okay .
Project Manager: Um . So we will close uh this meeting .
Industrial Designer: Okay , just a second . {gap}
Project Manager: So we will have a next meeting in uh thirty minutes .
Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
Project Manager: Um . Uh . The {disfmarker} So I will ask you to do some work . Uh the the interface interface developer will work on the on the design of the remote control , start to to have new idea and
Industrial Designer: Which i which is Hamed , {gap} ?
Project Manager: read about {disfmarker}
Industrial Designer: Okay .
User Interface: Mm .
Marketing: He's the Industrial Designer ? No , you're the Industrial Designer .
Industrial Designer: Uh I am the Technical Designer ,
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: Oh .
Industrial Designer: I dunno which one , uh v .
Marketing: Yeah ,
Project Manager: Industry and {disfmarker} Oh .
Marketing: I think that's the first . I_D_ . Industrial Designer .
User Interface: Uh-huh .
Marketing: And the second one is the User Interface Designer .
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: {vocalsound}
Industrial Designer: User Interf Okay .
Marketing: And then last one's marketing , which is me .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Okay , so I'm the first one .
Project Manager: So , um {disfmarker}
Marketing: {gap}
Project Manager: For the User Interface Designer , which is Hamed um ,
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: uh , you are going to work on the technical functions of the remote control .
Industrial Designer: I see .
User Interface: Okay .
Project Manager: And for the Marketing uh Manager , I dunno , okay , which is Bob , uh you are going to try to to find the user requirements f uh for the remote control . Um , you will receive by email uh the specific instructions and uh by your personal coach .
Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {gap} Sign .
Project Manager: Yep finished . So I see you in thirty minutes .
Marketing: Great , okay .
Project Manager: {gap}
Industrial Designer: Okay .
User Interface: Okay , thanks .
Marketing: Thanks guys . Bye .
User Interface: Bye .
Project Manager: Thank you .
Industrial Designer: {gap} Uh . {gap}


PhD E: Yeah .
Professor B: Um , so . If we can't , we can't . But uh we 're gonna try to make this an abbreviated meeting cuz the {disfmarker} the next {disfmarker} next occupants were pushing for it , so . Um . So . Agenda is {disfmarker} according to this , is transcription status , DARPA demos XML tools , disks , backups , et cetera and
Grad H: Does anyone have anything to {pause} add to the agenda ?
Professor B: OK . Should we just go in order ? Transcription status ? Who 's {disfmarker} that 's probably you .
Postdoc A: I can do that quickly . Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're making great progress .
Professor B: Seven ?
Postdoc A: Seve - several , several .
Professor B: Oh .
Postdoc A: And uh {disfmarker} and uh , uh I 've been uh finishing up the uh double checking . I hoped to have had that done by today but it 's gonna take one more week .
Grad H: Um
PhD D: I g
Grad H: as a somewhat segue into the next topic , um could I get a hold of uh the data even if it 's not really corrected yet just so I can get the data formats and make sure the information retrieval stuff is working ?
Postdoc A: Certainly . Yeah I mean , it 's in the same place it 's been .
Grad H: So can you just {disfmarker} Oh , it is .
Postdoc A: Uh - huh . No change .
Grad H: OK . Just {disfmarker} So , " transcripts " is the sub - directory ?
Postdoc A: Uh {disfmarker} Yes . Uh - huh .
Grad H: OK . So I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll probably just make some copies of those rather than use the ones that are there .
Postdoc A: OK .
Grad H: Um and then just {disfmarker} we 'll have to remember to delete them once the corrections are made .
Postdoc A: OK .
Professor B: OK , wh
PhD D: I also got anot a short remark to the transcription . I 've uh just processed the first five EDU meetings and they are chunked up so they would {disfmarker} they probably can be sent to IBM whenever they want them .
Grad C: Cool .
PhD F: Well the second one of those
PhD D: Yep . It 's already at IBM ,
PhD F: is already at IBM .
PhD D: but the other ones {disfmarker}
PhD F: That 's the one that {pause} we 're waiting to hear from them on .
PhD D: Yeah . Yeah .
Postdoc A: OK .
PhD F: Yeah .
Postdoc A: These are separate from the ones that {disfmarker}
PhD F: As soon as {disfmarker}
Postdoc A: I mean , these are {disfmarker}
PhD F: They 're the IBM set .
PhD D: Yep .
Grad H: It 's this one .
Postdoc A: Excellent . Good .
PhD F: Yeah . And so as soon as we hear from Brian that this one is OK
Grad H: Is my mike on ? Yeah .
PhD F: and we get the transcript back and we find out that hopefully there are no problems matching up the transcript with what we gave them , then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'll just send them the next four as a big batch ,
Postdoc A: Excellent .
PhD F: and let them work on that .
Grad H: And so we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 're transcribing here ?
PhD F: Yes , exactly .
Grad H: OK , good .
PhD F: We 're sort of doing things in parallel , that way we can get as much done a at once .
Grad H: Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,
PhD F: Yeah .
Grad H: especially for the information retrieval stuff . Anything else on transcription status ?
Postdoc A: Hm - mmm .
Grad H: OK .
Professor B: DARPA demos , we had the submeeting the other day .
Grad H: Right , which uh {disfmarker} So I 've been working on using the THISL tools to do information retrieval on meeting data and the THISL tools are {disfmarker} there 're two sets , there 's a back - end and a front - end , so the front - end is the user interface and the back - end is the indexing tool and the querying tool . And so I 've written some tools to convert everything into the right for file formats . And the command line version of the indexing and the querying is now working . So at least on the one meeting that I had the transcript for uh conveniently you can now do information retrieval on it , do {disfmarker} type in a {disfmarker} a string and get back a list of start - end times for the meeting ,
PhD F: What {disfmarker} what kind of uh {disfmarker} what does that look like ? The string that you type in .
Grad H: uh of hits .
PhD F: What are you {disfmarker} are you {disfmarker} are they keywords , or are they {disfmarker} ?
Grad H: Keywords .
PhD F: OK . I see .
Grad H: Right ? And so {disfmarker} and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything .
PhD F: I see .
Professor B: And then does it play something back or that 's something you 're having to program ?
Grad H: Um , right now , I have a tool that will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,
Professor B: Yeah .
Grad H: but my intention is to do a prettier user interface based either {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so that 's the other thing I wanted to discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ? We have two tools that have already been written . Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one ,
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: um , which I haven't used , haven't looked at . Dan says it 's pretty good
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: but it does mean you need to be running a web server .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: And so it {disfmarker} it 's pretty big and complex . Uh and it would be difficult to port to Windows because it means porting the web server to Windows .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: Uh the other option is Dan did the Tcl - TK THISL GUI front - end for Broadcast News
Professor B: Yeah .
Grad H: which I think looks great . I think that 's a nice demo . Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows . And so I think that 's the way we should go .
Postdoc A: I {disfmarker} Can I ask a question ? So um as it stands within the {disfmarker} the Channeltrans interface , it 's possible to do a find and a play .
Grad H: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc A: You can find a searched string and play . So e Are you {disfmarker} So you 're adding like um , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they {pause} uh {disfmarker} ?
Grad H: It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based {disfmarker} So it 's uh term frequency , inverse document frequency scoring .
Postdoc A: OK .
Grad H: Um and then there are all sorts of metrics for spacing how far apart they have to be and things like that . So it {disfmarker} it 's
Postdoc A: It 's a lot more sophisticated than the uh the basically Windows - based {disfmarker}
Grad H: i it 's like doing a Google query or anyth anything else like that .
Postdoc A: OK .
Grad H: So i it uses {disfmarker} So it pr produces an index ahead of time so you don't {disfmarker} you 're not doing a linear search through all the documents . Cuz you can imagine if {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} if we have the sixty hours ' worth you do {disfmarker} wouldn't wanna do a search .
Postdoc A: Hm - mmm . Good .
Grad H: Um you have to do preindexing and so that {disfmarker} these tools do all that . And so the work to get the front - end to work would be porting it {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} uh to get it to work on the UNIX systems , our side is just rewriting them and modifying them to work for meetings .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: So that it understands that they 're different speakers and that it 's one big audio file instead of a bunch of little ones and just sorta things like that .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
PhD G: Mm - hmm .
PhD F: So what does the user see as the result of the query ?
Grad H: On which tool ?
PhD F: THISL .
Grad H: The THISL GUI tool which is the one that Dan wrote , Tcl - TK
PhD F: Yeah .
Grad H: um you type in a query and then you get back a list of hits and you can type on them and listen to them . Click on them rather {comment} with a mouse .
PhD F: Ah .
Professor B: Mmm
PhD F: So if you typed in " small heads " or something you could
Grad H: Right , you 'd get {disfmarker}
PhD F: get back a uh uh {comment} something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurred
Grad H: something {disfmarker} You {disfmarker} you 'd get to listen to " beep " .
PhD F: or some
Professor B: That was a really good look . It 's too bad that that couldn't {vocalsound} come into the {disfmarker}
Grad H: You couldn't get a video .
PhD G: Guess who I practice on ?
Postdoc A: At some point we 're gonna have to say what that private joke is , that keeps coming up .
Professor B: Yeah . And then again , maybe not . So , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} Yeah , that soun that sounds reasonable . Yeah , it loo it {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} my recollection of it is it 's {disfmarker} it 's a pretty reasonable uh demo sort of format .
Grad H: Right .
PhD F: Yeah that sounds good .
Grad H: And so I think there 'd be minimal effort to get it to work , minimally
PhD F: That sounds really neat .
Grad H: and then we 'd wanna add things like query by speaker and by meeting and all that sort of stuff . Um Dave Gelbart expressed some interest in working on that so I 'll work with him on it . And it {disfmarker} it 's looking pretty good , you know , the fact that I got the query system working . So if we wanna just do a video - based one I think that 'll be easy .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: If we wanna get it to Windows it 's gonna be a little more work because the THISL IR , the information retrieval tool 's {disfmarker} um , I had difficulty just compiling them on Solaris .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: So getting them to compile on Windows might be challenging .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
PhD F: But you were saying that {disfmarker} that the uh {disfmarker} that there 's that set of tools , uh , Cygnus tools , that {disfmarker}
Grad H: So . It certainly helps .
PhD F: Uh - huh .
Grad H: Um , I mean without those I wouldn't even attempt it .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
PhD F: Yeah .
Grad H: But what those {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} what those do is provide sort of a BSD compatibility layer ,
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: so that the normal UNIX function calls all work .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
PhD F: And you have to have all the o
Grad H: Um , But the problem is that {disfmarker} that the THISL tools didn't use anything like Autoconf and so you have the normal porting problems of different header files and th some things are defined and some things aren't and uh different compiler work - arounds and so on . So the fact that um it took me a day to get it c to compile under Solaris means it 's probably gonna take me s significantly more than that to get it to compile under Windows .
Professor B: How about having it run under free BSD ?
PhD E: Well what you need {disfmarker}
Grad H: Free BSD would probably be easier .
PhD E: All you need to do is say to Dan " gee it would be nice if this worked under Autoconf " and it 'll be done in a day .
Grad H: That 's true .
PhD D: Uh {disfmarker}
PhD E: Right ?
Grad H: Actually you know I should check because he did port it to SPRACHcore
PhD E: Right .
Grad H: so he might have done that already .
PhD E: I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I wouldn't be surprised .
Professor B: So {disfmarker}
Grad H: I 'll check at that {disfmarker}
Professor B: But it would {disfmarker} what would serve {disfmarker} would serve both purposes , is if you contact him and ask him if he 's already done it .
PhD E: What I {disfmarker}
PhD F: How does it play ?
Grad H: Yeah , right .
Professor B: If he has then you learn , if he hasn't then he 'll do it .
Grad H: Right .
Postdoc A: Wow .
PhD F: I hope he never listens to these meetings .
Grad H: That 's right . So , and I 've been corresponding with Dan and also with uh uh , SoftSound guy , uh {disfmarker}
Postdoc A: It 's amazing .
Professor B: Yeah .
Grad H: Blanking on his name .
Professor B: Tony Robinson ?
PhD F: Tony Robinson ?
Grad H: Do I mean Tony ? I guess I do .
Professor B: Yeah .
PhD E: James Christie .
Grad H: Or S or Steve Renals .
Professor B: Steve Renal - Steve Renals .
Grad H: Which one do I mean ?
PhD E: Steve Renals is not SoftSound , is he ?
Professor B: No .
Grad H: My brain is not working ,
Professor B: OK .
Grad H: I don't remember who I 've been corresponding with .
PhD E: Steve wro i it 's Ste - Steve Renals wrote THISL IR .
Grad H: Then it 's Steve Renals .
Professor B: Oh , OK .
PhD E: OK .
Grad H: So uh just getting documentation and uh and f and formats ,
Professor B: Yeah .
Grad H: so that 's all going pretty well ,
Professor B: Assuming we 're {disfmarker}
PhD E: Right .
PhD F: What about issues of playing sound files @ @ between the two platforms ?
Grad H: I think we 'll be OK with that . Um we have {disfmarker} Well , that 's a good point too .
PhD E: Here 's a {disfmarker} here 's a crazy idea {pause} actually .
Grad H: I don't know .
PhD E: Why don't you try and merge {pause} Transcriber {pause} and THISL IR ? They 're both Tcl interfaces .
Grad H: Well this is one of the reasons {disfmarker} This is the {disfmarker} one of the reasons that I 'm gonna have uh Dave Gelbart {disfmarker} Gelbart {disfmarker} Having him volunteer to work on it is a really good thing because he 's worked on the Transcriber stuff
PhD E: Right .
Grad H: and he 's more familiar with Tcl - TK than I am .
PhD E: And then you get {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} then you get the Windows media playing for free .
Grad H: Well that 's Snack , not {disfmarker} not Transcriber .
PhD E: Right . But the point is that the Transcriber uses Snack and then you can {disfmarker} but you can use a {disfmarker} a lot of the same functionality and it 's {disfmarker}
Grad H: Yeah , yeah , I mean , I {disfmarker} I think THISL {disfmarker} THISL GUI probably uses Snack . And so my intention was just to base it on that .
PhD E: Yeah . Well my thought was is that it would be nice {disfmarker} it would be nice to have the running transcripts um eh you know , from speaker to speaker .
Grad H: And if it doesn't {disfmarker}
PhD E: Right ? Do you have {disfmarker} you have , you know , a speaker mark here and a speaker mark here ?
Grad H: Right , we 'll have to figure out a user interface for that , so .
PhD E: Right . Well that {disfmarker} eh my thought was if you had like Multitrans or whatever do it . Or whatever .
Grad H: Yeah . It might be fairly difficult to get that to work in {comment} the little short segments we 'd be talking about and having the search tools and so on . We {disfmarker} we can look into it ,
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad H: but {disfmarker}
Professor B: The thing I was asking about with , um , free BSD is that it might be easier to get PowerPoint shows running in free BSD than to get this other package running in {disfmarker}
Grad H: Yeah , I mean we have to {disfmarker} I have to sit down and try it before I make too many judgments ,
Professor B: Yeah .
Grad H: so uh Um My experience with the Gnu compatibility library is really it 's just as hard and just as easy to port to any system . Right ? The Windows system isn't any harder because it {disfmarker} it looks like a BSD system .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: It 's just , you know , just like all of them , the " include " files are a little different and the function calls are a little different .
Professor B: Right .
Grad H: So I {disfmarker} it might be a little easier but it 's not gonna be a lot easier .
Professor B: OK . So there was that demo , which was one of the main ones , then we talked about um some other stuff which would basically be um showing off the {disfmarker} the Transcriber interface itself and as you say , maybe we could even merge those in some sense , but {disfmarker} but um , uh {disfmarker} and part of that was showing off what the speech - non uh nonspeech {comment} stuff that Thilo has done {pause} s {pause} looks like .
PhD D: Yeah .
Postdoc A: Can I ask one more thing about THISL ? So with the IR stuff then you end up with a somewhat prioritized um {disfmarker} ?
Grad H: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm ,
Postdoc A: Excellent .
Grad H: ranked .
Postdoc A: Excellent . Yeah .
PhD G: So another idea I w t had just now actually for the demo was whether it might be of interest to sh to show some of the prosody uh {vocalsound} work that Don 's been doing .
Professor B: Mm - hmm .
PhD G: Um actually show some of the features and then show for instance a task like finding sentence boundaries or finding turn boundaries . Um , you know , you can show that graphically , sort of what the features are doing . It , you know , it doesn't work great but it 's definitely giving us something .
Professor B: Well I think at {disfmarker} at the very least we 're gonna want something illustrative with that
PhD G: I don't know if that would be of interest or not .
Professor B: cuz I 'm gonna want to talk about it and so i if there 's something that shows it graphically it 's much better than me just having a bullet point
PhD G: Yeah .
Professor B: pointing at something I don't know much about ,
PhD G: I mean , you 're looking at this now {disfmarker}
Professor B: so .
PhD G: Are you looking at Waves or Matlab ?
Grad C: Um yeah I 'm starting to and um {disfmarker} Yeah we can probably find some examples of different type of prosodic events going on .
PhD G: Yeah def
Professor B: S so when we here were having this demo meeting , what we 're sort of coming up with is that we wanna have all these pieces together , to first order , by the end of the month
PhD G: I
Professor B: and then that 'll give us a week or so .
Grad C: Ooo . The end of {disfmarker}
PhD G: Oh , the end of this month or next month ? Oh , you mean like today ?
Grad H: This month .
Professor B: Ju
PhD G: Oh .
Professor B: June . June . June .
PhD G: Next month .
Grad H: Oh sorry , next month .
Grad C: Yeah .
PhD G: Sorry .
Grad H: Today isn't June first ,
PhD F: There 's another one .
Grad H: is it .
Professor B: Uh {disfmarker} that 'll {disfmarker} that 'll give us {disfmarker} that 'll give us a week or so to uh {disfmarker} to port things over to my laptop and make sure that works ,
PhD E: Exactly .
PhD G: Sorry .
Professor B: yeah .
PhD G: I think , I mean eh where {disfmarker}
Grad C: Yeah , I mean I 'll be here .
PhD G: Yeah if d if Don can sort of talk to whoever 's {disfmarker}
Professor B: Yeah .
PhD G: cuz we 're doing this anyway as part of our {disfmarker} you know , the research , visualizing what these features are doing
Professor B: Yeah .
PhD G: and so either {disfmarker} it might not be integrated but it {disfmarker} it could potentially be in it .
Professor B: Yeah . Well , this is to an audience of researchers
PhD G: Could find some .
Professor B: so I mean , you know , to let s the goal is to let them know what it is we 're doing .
PhD G: I mean it 's different .
Professor B: So that 's {disfmarker}
PhD G: I don't think anyone has done this on meeting data so it might be neat , you know .
Professor B: Yeah . Good . Done with that . XML tools ?
Grad H: Um . So I 've been doing a bunch of XML tools where you {disfmarker} we 're sort of moving to XML as the general format for everything and I think that 's definitely the right way to go because there are a lot of tools that let you do extraction and reformatting of XML tools . Um . So yet again we should probably meet to talk about transcription formats in XML because I 'm not particularly happy with what we have now . I mean it works with Transcriber but it {disfmarker} it 's a pain to use it in other tools uh because it doesn't mark start and end .
PhD F: Start and end of each {disfmarker} ?
PhD D: Yeah .
Grad H: Uh {disfmarker} Utterance .
PhD F: Utterance . Just marks {disfmarker} ?
Grad H: So it 's implicit in {disfmarker} in there
PhD F: Yeah .
Grad H: but you have to do a lot of processing to get it .
PhD F: Right . Right .
Grad H: And so {disfmarker} and also I 'd like to do the indirect time line business . Um but regardless , I mean , w that 's something that you , me , and Jane can talk about later . Um , but I 've installed XML tools of various sorts in various languages and so if people are interested in doing {disfmarker} extracting any information from any of these files , either uh information on users because the user database is that way {disfmarker} I 'm converting the Key files to XML so that you can extract m uh various inf uh sorted information on individual meetings
Grad C: Cool .
PhD D: Yeah .
Grad H: and then also the transcripts . And so l just let me know there {disfmarker} it 's mostly Java and Perl but we can get other languages too if {disfmarker} if that 's desirable .
PhD G: Oh , quick question on that . Is {disfmarker} do we have the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the seat information ? In {disfmarker} in the Key files now ?
Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: The seat information is on the Key files for the ones which
Postdoc A: Ah .
PhD G: Oh in {disfmarker} For the new one
Grad H: it 's been recorded ,
PhD G: OK .
Grad H: yeah .
Professor B: Seat ?
PhD G: Great . Sea - yeah .
Grad H: Where {disfmarker} where you 're sitting .
Professor B: Oh ! Not {disfmarker} not the quality or anything . No .
PhD D: n
Grad H: Right .
Professor B: OK . I see .
Grad H: " It 's pretty soft and squishy . "
Professor B: Yeah . Yeah .
PhD G: Alright .
Professor B: OK .
PhD G: OK .
Grad H: Oh , but that might just be me . Um .
PhD G: Alright .
Professor B: That 's more seat information than we wanted .
PhD G: Never mind .
PhD E: Hmm .
PhD G: I 'm just trying to figure out , you know , when Morgan 's voice appears on someone 's microphone are they next to him or are they across from him ?
Professor B: Yeah .
Grad H: Maybe we should bleep that out .
Professor B: Mmm , yeah .
PhD F: Wait a minute ,
Professor B: Yeah .
PhD F: how {disfmarker} how w eh where is it in the Key file ?
Grad H: Right . The square bracket .
PhD G: Cuz I mean I haven't been putting it in and {disfmarker} in by {disfmarker}
Grad H: You haven't been putting it in .
PhD G: Right .
Postdoc A: Well bu
PhD G: I have not .
Grad H: Oh , OK .
Postdoc A: Isn't it always on the digits ?
Professor B: Some of these are missing .
PhD G: And {disfmarker}
Professor B: Aren't they ?
Postdoc A: Isn't it always on the digits forms ?
Professor B: Some fall out of {disfmarker}
PhD G: Well it
Grad H: Yeah so we can go back and fill them in for the ones we have .
Grad C: Ooo .
PhD G: I mean they 're on th right , these , but I just hadn't ever been putting it in the Key files .
PhD F: Yeah I {disfmarker} I never {disfmarker}
PhD G: And I don't think Chuck was either
PhD F: I never knew we were supposed to put it in the Key file .
PhD G: cuz {disfmarker}
Grad H: I had told you guys about it
PhD F: Oh really ?
PhD G: Oh , so we 're both sorry .
Grad H: but {disfmarker}
PhD G: So {disfmarker}
Grad H: I mean this is why I wanna use a g a tool to do it rather than the plain text
PhD G: OK .
PhD F: OK .
Grad H: because with the plain text it 's very easy to skip those things .
PhD G: OK .
Grad H: So . Um if you use the Edit - key , or Key - edit {disfmarker}
PhD D: Edit - key .
Grad H: I think it 's Edit - key , {comment} command {disfmarker} Did I show you guys that ?
PhD D: Yep .
PhD F: You mentioned it ,
Grad H: I did show it to you ,
PhD F: yeah . Yeah .
Grad H: but I think you both said " no , you 'll just use text file " .
PhD F: Text .
Grad H: Um it has it in there , a place to fill it in .
PhD G: OK .
PhD F: OK .
Grad H: Yeah , and so if you don't fill it in , you 're not gonna get it in the meetings .
PhD G: So if {disfmarker} Right . Well I {disfmarker} I just realized I hadn't been doing it
Grad H: So .
PhD G: and probably {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}
Grad H: Yep .
Grad C: u
Grad H: Yeah and then the other thing also that Thilo noticed is , on the microphone , on channel zero it says hand - held mike or Crown mike ,
PhD G: Yeah . Right .
Grad H: you actually have to say which one .
PhD G: I know {disfmarker} Yeah , I usually delete the {disfmarker}
Grad H: So .
PhD F: Oh ! OK . I didn't do that either .
PhD G: I don't ,
PhD D: Yeah .
PhD G: maybe I forgot to d
PhD F: Takes me no time at all to edit these .
PhD G: But it 's almost {disfmarker} Yeah .
Grad H: Yeah that 's cuz you kn
PhD F: I 'm not doing anything .
Grad H: I {disfmarker} I know why .
PhD G: And I was {disfmarker} I was looking at Chuck 's , like , " oh what did Chuck do , OK I 'll do that " . So .
Grad H: And then uh also in a couple of places instead of filling the participants under " participants " they were filled in under " description " .
Professor B: Ah , OK .
PhD G: Uh {disfmarker}
Grad H: And so that 's also a problem . So anyway .
PhD G: We will do better .
Grad H: That 's it . Oh uh also I 'm working on another version of this tool , the {disfmarker} the one that shows up here , {comment} that will flash yellow if the mike isn't connected . And it 's not quite ready to go yet because um it 's hard to tell whether the mike 's connected or not because the best quality ones , the Crown ones , {comment} are about the same level if they 're off and no one 's o off or if they 're on and no one 's talking .
Grad C: Huh .
Grad H: Um these {disfmarker} these ones , they are much easier , there 's a bigger difference . So I 'm working on that and it {disfmarker} it sorta works and so eventually we will change to that and then you 'll be able to see graphically if your mike is dropping in or out .
Grad C: Will that also include like batteries dying ? Just a any time the mike 's putting out zeros basically .
Grad H: Yep . Yep . Yep .
PhD F: But with the screensaver kicking in , it {disfmarker}
PhD D: But
Grad H: Now {disfmarker}
PhD D: y yeah .
Grad C: Yeah .
PhD D: Yeah .
Grad H: Well I 'll turn off the screensaver too .
Grad C: Oops . Speaking of which .
Grad H: Um the other thing is as I 've said before , it is actually on the thing . There 's a little level meter but of course no one ever pays attention to it . So I think having it on the screen is more easy to notice .
Postdoc A: It would be nice if {disfmarker} if these had little light indicators , little L E Ds for {disfmarker}
Grad H: Uh buzzer .
Postdoc A: Yeah , a buzzer .
Grad H: " Bamp , bamp ! "
Professor B: Small shocks
Postdoc A: Yeah . Actually {disfmarker}
Professor B: administered to the {disfmarker} OK . Oh {disfmarker}
Grad H: OK , disk backup , et cetera ? Um I spoke with Dave Johnson about putting all the Meeting Recorder stuff on non - backed - up disk to save the overhead of backup and he pretty much said " yeah , you could do that if you want " but he thought it was a bad idea . In fact what he said is doing the manual one , {comment} doing uh NW archive to copy it {comment} is a good idea and we should do that and have it backed up . He w he 's a firm believer in {disfmarker} in lots of different modalities of backup . I mean , his point was well taken . This data cannot be recovered .
PhD G: Yeah .
Grad H: And so if a mistake is made and we lose the backup we should have the archive and if then a mistake is made and we lose the archive we should have the backup .
Professor B: Well I guess it is true that even with something that 's backed up it 's not gonna {disfmarker} if it 's stationary it 's not going to go through the increment it 's not gonna burden things in the incremental backups .
Grad H: Just {disfmarker} just the monthly full .
Postdoc A: Hmm .
Professor B: Yeah , so the monthly full will be a bear but {disfmarker}
Grad H: Yeah . But he said that {disfmarker} that we sh shouldn't worry too much about that , that we 're getting a new backup system and we 're far enough away from saturation on full backups that it 's w probably OK .
Professor B: Really ?
Grad H: And uh , so the only issue here is the timing between getting more disks and uh recording meetings .
Professor B: So I guess the idea is that we would be reserving the non - backed - up space for things that took less than twenty - four hours to recreate or something like that , right ?
Grad H: Things that are recreatable easily and also {disfmarker} Yeah , basically things that are recreatable .
Professor B: Yeah . Yeah .
Grad H: The expanded files and things like that .
Professor B: OK .
Grad H: They take up a lot more room anyway .
Professor B: Yeah .
Grad H: Uh but we do need more disk .
Professor B: So we can get more disk . Yeah . So .
Grad H: Yeah . And I {disfmarker} I think I agree with him . I mean his point was well taken that if we lose one of these we cannot get it back .
Professor B: OK .
Grad H: I don't think there was any other et cetera there .
Professor B: Well I was allowing someone else to come up with something related that they had uh {disfmarker}
PhD E: I thought you guys were gonna burn C Ds ?
Grad H: Um unfortunately {disfmarker} we could burn C Ds but first of all it 's a pain .
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad H: Because you have to copy it down to the PC and then burn it and that 's a multi - step procedure . And second of all the {disfmarker} the write - once burners as opposed to a professional press don't last .
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad H: So I think burning them for distribution is fine but burning them for backup is not a good idea .
PhD E: I see . OK .
Grad H: Cuz th they {disfmarker} they fail after a couple years .
PhD E: Alright .
Postdoc A: I do have uh uh {disfmarker} It 's a different topic . Can I add one top topic ? We have time ? I wanted to ask , I know that uh that Thilo you were , um , bringing the Channeltrans interface onto the Windows machine ? And I wanted to know is th
PhD D: Yeah it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} Basically it 's done ,
Postdoc A: It 's all done ? That 's g wonderful . Great .
PhD D: yeah . Yeah .
Grad H: Yes , since Tcl - TK runs on it , basically things 'll just work .
PhD D: Yeah it {disfmarker} Yeah , it was just a problem with the Snack version and the Transcriber version but it 's solved .
Postdoc A: Does {disfmarker} and that {disfmarker} does that mean , I {disfmarker}
PhD D: So .
Postdoc A: maybe I should know this but I don't . Does this mean that the {disfmarker} that this could be por uh ported to a Think - Pad note or some other type of uh {disfmarker}
PhD D: Yeah , basically uh I did install it on my laptop and yeah
Postdoc A: Wonderful .
PhD D: it worked .
Postdoc A: Wonderful .
Professor B: Hmm ! Good . CrossPads ? CrossPads ?
Grad H: Uh got an email from uh James Landay who basically said " if you 're not using them , could you return them ? " So he said he doesn't need them , he just periodically w at the end of each term sends out email to everyone who was recorded as having them and asks them if they 're still using them .
Professor B: So we 've never used them .
Postdoc A: We used them once .
Professor B: Once ?
Grad H: We {disfmarker} we used them a couple times ,
Postdoc A: Mm - hmm . Couple times .
PhD F: Them ? There 's more than one ?
Grad H: but {disfmarker}
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Professor B: i
Grad H: Yeah , we have two . Um .
Professor B: But {disfmarker}
Grad H: My opinion on it is , first , I never take notes anyway so I 'm not gonna use it , um and second , it 's another level of infrastructure that we have to deal with .
Postdoc A: And I have {disfmarker} uh so my {disfmarker} my feeling on it is that I think in principle it 's a really nice idea , and you have the time tags which makes it better tha than just taking ra raw notes . On the other hand , I {disfmarker} the down side for me was that I think the pen is really noisy . So you have ka kaplunk , kaplunk , kaplunk . And I {disfmarker} and I don't know if it 's audible on the {disfmarker} but I {disfmarker} I sort of thought that was a disadvantage . I do take notes , I mean , I could be taking notes on these things and I guess the plus with the CrossPads would be the time markings but {disfmarker} I don't know .
PhD D: Uh , what is a CrossPad ?
Professor B: So it 's {disfmarker} it 's um {disfmarker} it 's a regular pad , just a regular pad of paper but there 's this pen which indicates position .
Grad C: Thank you .
Professor B: And so you have time and position stuff stored
PhD D: OK .
Professor B: so that you can {disfmarker} you have a record of whatever it is you 've written .
PhD D: OK .
Grad H: And then you can download it and they have OCR and searching and all sorts of things .
PhD D: OK . OK .
Grad H: So i if you take notes it 's a great little device .
Postdoc A: Could {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .
Grad H: But I don't take notes ,
Professor B: And one of the reasons that it was brought up originally was because uh we were interested in {disfmarker} in higher - level things ,
Grad H: so .
Professor B: not just the , you know , microphone stuff but also summarization and so forth and the question is if you were going to go to some gold standard of what wa what was it that happened in the meeting you know , where would it come from ? And um I think that was one of the things ,
PhD D: Yeah .
PhD G: Yeah .
Grad H: Yep .
Professor B: right ? And so the {disfmarker} it seemed like a neat idea . We 'll have a {disfmarker} you know , have a scribe , have somebody uh take good notes and then that 's part of the record of the meeting . And then we did it once or twice and we sort of {disfmarker}
Grad H: Yep , and then just sort of died out .
Professor B: probably chose the wrong scribe but it was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It 's uh {disfmarker}
PhD G: I mean {disfmarker}
Grad H: Yeah that 's right .
Postdoc A: Well I did it one time
Grad H: Yep .
Postdoc A: but um {disfmarker}
Professor B: Yeah .
Postdoc A: u but I guess the {disfmarker} the other thing I 'm thinking is if we wanted that kind of thing I wonder if we 'd lose that much by having someone be a scribe by listening to the tape , to the recording afterwards and taking notes in some other interface .
PhD F: I mean we 're transcribing it anyways , why do we need notes ?
Postdoc A: Oh it 's la it 's useful ,
Grad H: Because that 's summary .
Postdoc A: have a summary and high points .
Professor B: Summary .
PhD G: I think {disfmarker} there 's also {disfmarker} there 's this use that {disfmarker}
PhD F: Summarize it from the transcription .
PhD G: the {disfmarker} Well , what if you 're sitting there and you just wanna make an X and you don't wanna take notes and you 're {disfmarker} you just wanna
PhD F: Doodle .
PhD G: get the summary of the transcript from this time location like {disfmarker} you know , and {disfmarker} and then while you 're bored you don't do anything and once in a while , maybe there 's a joke and you put a X and {disfmarker} {comment} But {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in other words you can use that just to highlight times in a very simple way . Also with {disfmarker} I was thinking and I know Morgan disagrees with me on this but suppose you have a group in here and you wanna let them note whenever they think there might be something later that they might not wanna distribute in terms of content , they could just sort of make an X near that point or a question mark that sort of alerts them that when they get the transcript back they c could get some red flags in that transcript region and they can then look at it . So . I know we haven't been using it but I w I can imagine it being useful just for sort of marking time periods
Grad H: Right .
PhD G: which you then get back in a transcript
Postdoc A: Well .
Professor B: I guess {disfmarker} so , you know , what {disfmarker} what makes one think i is maybe we should actually schedule some periods where people go over something later
PhD G: so .
Professor B: and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and put some kind of summary or something uh you know , some {disfmarker} there 'd be some scribe who would actually listen , w who 'd agreed to actually listen to the whole thing , not transcribe it , but just sort of write down things that struck them as important . But {disfmarker} then you don't {disfmarker} you don't have the time reference uh that you 'd have if you had it live .
PhD G: Right . And you don't have a lot of other cues that might be useful ,
Professor B: Yeah .
PhD F: How do you synchronize the time in the CrossPad and the time of the recording ?
PhD G: so .
Grad H: I mean that was one of the issues we talked about originally and that that 's w part of the difficulty is that we need an infrastructure for using the time {disfmarker} the CrossPads and so that means synchronizing the time {disfmarker}
PhD G:
Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .
Grad H: You know you want it pretty close and there 's a fair amount of skew because it 's a hand - held unit with a battery
Postdoc A: Well when {disfmarker} when I d
Grad H: and so you {disfmarker}
Postdoc A: OK .
Grad H: so you have to synchronize at the beginning of each meeting all the pads that are being used , so that it 's synchronized with the time on that and then you have to download to an application , and then you have to figure out what the data formats are and convert it over if you wanna do anything with this information .
Postdoc A: w Mm - hmm .
PhD E: Why {disfmarker}
Grad H: And so there 's a lot of infrastructure which
Postdoc A: There is an alternative .
Grad H: unless someone {disfmarker}
Postdoc A: There is an alternative , I mean , it 's still , there 's uh {disfmarker} you know , your point stands about there be {disfmarker} needing to be an infrastructure , but it doesn't have to be synchronized with the little clock 's timer on it . You c I mean , I {disfmarker} when I {disfmarker} when I did it I synchronized it by voice , by whispering " one , two , three , four " onto the microphone
Grad H: Hmm .
Postdoc A: and uh , you know .
Grad H: Well , but then there 's the infrastructure at the other end
PhD E: Right .
Grad H: which someone has to listen to that and find that point ,
Postdoc A: Yeah , it 's transcribed . It 's in the transcript .
Grad H: and then mark it .
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Grad H: So .
Postdoc A: Well it 's in the transcript .
PhD G: Well , could we keep one of these things for another year ? Would h I mean is there a big cau
Grad H: We can keep all {disfmarker} both of them for the whole whole year .
PhD G: just {disfmarker} just in case we {disfmarker}
Grad H: I mean , it 's just {disfmarker}
PhD G: even maybe some of the transcribers who might be wanting to annotate uh f just there 's a bunch of things that might be neat to do but I {disfmarker} it might not be the case that we can actually synchronize them and then do all the infrastructure but we could at least try it out .
Professor B: Well {disfmarker} one thing that we might try um is on some set of meetings , some collection of meetings , maybe EDU is the right one or maybe something else , we {disfmarker} we get somebody to buy into the idea of doing this as part of the task . I mean ,
PhD G: Right .
Professor B: uh part of the reason {disfmarker} I think part of the reason that Adam was so interested in uh the SpeechCorder sort of f idea from the beginning is he said from the beginning he hated taking notes and {disfmarker}
Grad H: Yep .
Professor B: and so forth so and {disfmarker} and Jane is more into it but eh uh you know I don't know if you wanna really do {disfmarker} do this all the time so I think the thing is to {disfmarker} to get someone to actually buy into it and have at least some series of meetings where we do it . Um {disfmarker} and if so , it 's probably worth having one . The p the {disfmarker} the problem with the {disfmarker} the more extended view , all these other you know with uh quibbling about particular applications of it is that it looks like it 's hard to get people to um uh routinely use it , I mean it just hasn't happened anyway . But maybe if we can get a person to {disfmarker}
PhD G: Yeah I don't think it has to be part of a what everybody does in a meeting but it might be a useful , neat part of the project that we can , you know , show off as a mechanism for synchronizing events in time that happen that you just wanna make a note of , like what Jane was talking about with some later browsing , just {disfmarker} just as a convenience , even if it 's not a full - blown note taking substitute .
PhD E: Well if you wanted to do that maybe the right architecture for it is to get a PDA with a wireless card . And {disfmarker} and that way you can synchronize very easily with the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the meeting because you 'll be synchroni you can synchronize with the {disfmarker} the Linux server and uh {disfmarker}
PhD G: So what kind of input would you be {disfmarker} ?
PhD E: so {disfmarker} so , I mean , if you 're not worried about {disfmarker}
Grad H: Buttons .
PhD G: You 'd just be pressing like a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker}
PhD E: Well {disfmarker} well you have a PDA and may and you could have the same sort of X interface or whatever , I mean , you 'd have to do a little eh a little bit of coding to do it .
PhD G: Mm - hmm .
PhD E: But you could imagine ,
PhD G: Yeah , that be good .
PhD E: I mean , if {disfmarker} if all you really wanted was {disfmarker} you didn't want this secondary note - taking channel but just sort of being able to use m markers of some sort , a PDA with a l a wireless card would be the {disfmarker} probably the right way to go . I mean even buttons you could do , sort of , I mean , as you said .
Grad H: I mean for what {disfmarker} what you 've been describing buttons would be even more convenient than anything else ,
PhD G: M right .
PhD E: Right .
PhD G: That would be fine too .
Grad H: right ? You have the {disfmarker}
PhD G: I mean , I don't have , you know , grandiose ideas in mind but I 'm just sort of thinking well we 've {disfmarker} we 're getting into the next year now and we have a lot of these things worked out at {disfmarker} in terms of the speech maybe somebody will be interested in this and {disfmarker}
Postdoc A: I like this PDA idea . Yeah .
Professor B: Yeah , I do like the idea of having a couple buttons
PhD G: Yeah .
Grad H: Well I 'm sure there would {disfmarker}
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Professor B: where like one {disfmarker} one button was " uh - oh " and then another button was " that 's great " and another button " that 's f "
PhD G: Or like this is my " I 'm supposed to do this " kind of button ,
Postdoc A: Yeah .
PhD G: like " I better remember to {disfmarker} "
Grad H: Action item .
PhD G: Yeah something like that or {disfmarker}
Postdoc A: And then {disfmarker}
Grad H: I mean I think the CrossPad idea is a good one .
Postdoc A: Uh - huh .
Grad H: It 's just a question of getting people to use it and getting the infrastructure set up in such a way that it 's not a lot of extra work . I mean that 's part of the reason why it hasn't happened is that it 's been a lot of extra work for me
PhD G: Yeah .
Professor B: Right .
Postdoc A: Well , and not just for you .
Grad H: and {disfmarker}
Postdoc A: But it 's also , it has this problem of having to go from an analog to a d a digital record too ,
PhD G: W
Postdoc A: doesn't it ? I mean {disfmarker}
Grad H: Well it 's digital but it 's in a format that is not particularly standard .
Postdoc A: But I mean , say , if i if {disfmarker} if you 're writing {disfmarker} if you 're writing notes in it does {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it can't do handwriting recognition , right ?
Professor B: No , no , but it 's just {disfmarker} it 's just storing the pixel informa position information ,
Postdoc A: OK .
Professor B: it 's all digital .
Postdoc A: I {disfmarker} I guess what I 'm thinking is that the PDA solution you h you have it already without needing to go from the pixelization to a {disfmarker} to a {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}
Professor B: Right . You don't have to {disfmarker}
PhD E: The transfer function is less errorful ,
Postdoc A: Oh , nicely put .
Professor B: Yeah .
PhD E: yes .
PhD G: Yeah , yeah .
Professor B: Yeah . Yeah .
PhD G: Well it also {disfmarker} it 's maybe realistic cuz people are supposed to be bringing their P D As to the meeting eventually , right ? That 's why we have this little {disfmarker} I don't know what {disfmarker} I don't wanna cause more work for anyone but I can imagine some interesting things that you could do with it and so if we don't have to return it and we can keep it for a year {disfmarker} I don't know .
Grad H: Well {disfmarker} w we don't {disfmarker} we certainly don't have to return it , as I said . All {disfmarker} all he said is that if you 're not using it could you return it , if you are using it feel free to keep it . The point is that we haven't used it at all and are we going to ?
Professor B: So we have no but {disfmarker} uh by I {disfmarker} I would suggest you return one . Because we {disfmarker} we you know , we {disfmarker} we haven't used it at all .
PhD G: Yeah .
Grad H: OK .
PhD G: We c
Professor B: We have some aspirations of using them
PhD G: One would probably be fine .
Professor B: and {disfmarker}
PhD G: Maybe we could do like a student project , you know , maybe someone who wants to do this as their main like s project for something would be cool .
Professor B: Yeah .
Grad H: Yep . I mean if we had them out and sitting on the table people might use them a little more
Professor B: Maybe Jeremy could sit in some meetings and press a button when there {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when somebody laughed .
Grad H: although there is a little {disfmarker}
PhD G: Well , I 'm {disfmarker} yeah , that 's not a bad {disfmarker}
Professor B: Yeah , yeah . Yeah .
PhD G: Jeremy 's gonna be an {disfmarker} he 's a new student starting on modeling brea breath and laughter , actually , which sounds funny but I think it should be cool ,
Professor B: Yeah .
PhD G: so .
Grad H: Sounds breathy to me .
PhD G: OK . " Ha - ha - ha . "
Grad H: Breath and lau " ha - ha - ha - ha " . " Ha - ha - ha - ha . "
Professor B: Well dear .
Grad H: Um .
Professor B: Hmm .
Grad H: That reminded me of something . Oh well , too late . It slipped out .
Professor B: OK .
PhD G: You 're {disfmarker} you 're gonna tease me ?
Grad H: Oh , equipment .
PhD G: OK .
Grad H: Ordered {disfmarker} Uh , well I 'm always gonna do that . W uh {disfmarker} {comment} We ordered uh more wireless , and so they should be coming in at some point .
PhD G: Great .
Grad H: And then at the same time I 'll probably rewire the room as per Jane 's suggestion so that uh the first N channels are wireless , eh are the m the close - talking and the next N are far - field .
Professor B: You know what he means but isn't that funny sounding ? " We ordered more wireless . " It 's like wires are the things so you 're wiring {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we ordered more absence of the thing .
PhD G: That 's a very philosophical statement from Morgan .
Grad H: wired less , wired more .
PhD G: I just {disfmarker} it 's sort of a anachronism , I mean it 's like {disfmarker} It 's great .
Professor B: Anyway .
Grad H: Should we do digits ? Do we have anything else ?
Professor B: Yeah .
Postdoc A: OK .
Professor B: I mean there 's {disfmarker} there 's all this stuff going on uh between uh Andreas and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and Dave and Chuck and others with various kinds of runs uh um {disfmarker} recognition runs , trying to figure things out about the features but it 's {disfmarker} it 's all sort of in process , so there 's not much to say right now . Uh why don't we start with our {disfmarker} our esteemed guest .
PhD E: OK . Alright .
Grad H: So just the transcript number and then the {disfmarker} then the {disfmarker}
PhD E: This is {disfmarker} Yes , this is number two for me today .
Professor B: See all you have to do is go away to move way up in the {disfmarker}
PhD E: Oh .
PhD G: We could do simultaneous . Initiate him .
Professor B: We {disfmarker} we could .
Grad H: Should we do simultaneous ?
PhD G: Well , I 'm just thinking , are you gonna try to save the data before this next group comes in ?
Professor B: Yeah .
Grad H: Yeah , absolutely .
PhD G: Yeah , so we might wanna do it simultaneous .
Grad H: I mean you hav sorta have to .
Professor B: Well OK , so let 's do one of those simultaneous ones .
PhD G: Right , so {disfmarker} so we might n we might need to do that actually .
Professor B: That sounds good .
Grad H: OK .
PhD E: OK .
Professor B: Everybody ready ?
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Professor B: A one .
PhD G: You have to plug your ears , by the way uh Eric ,
Grad H: Well I have to ,
PhD D: You don't have to .
PhD E: OK , alright .
PhD G: or {disfmarker} or you start laughing .
Grad H: I don't know about other people .
Professor B: OK , a one and a two and a three . OK , babble , take five .