Two men are conversing with one another.
Two older men are talking to each other.
Men are not assumed to be older.
exists e1 s1 x1 x2.(with(e1,x2) & n_thing(x2) & card_eq_1(x2) & a_another(s1) & Theme(s1,x2) & Actor(e1,x1) & v_converse(e1) & n_man(x1) & card_eq_2(x1))
exists e1 s1 x1.(all x2.(n_other(x2) -> to(e1,x2)) & Actor(e1,x1) & v_talk(e1) & n_man(x1) & r_more(s1) & a_older(s1) & Theme(s1,x1) & card_eq_2(x1))