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Bug Reports and Feature Discussions
England, Scotland and Wales are separate countries
By ExtremeNorthWales, April 5, 2013 in Website
+ExtremeNorthWales 2
ExtremeNorthWales 2
Geocacher
I find it extremely annoying and quite frankly ignorant, that TPTB refer to The United Kingdom as one country. The U.K. is NOT a country.
I have found caches in three different countries; England, (where I am from) Wales, (where I currently reside) and Scotland (which I visited). My profile should state that I have cached in THREE countries.
Because the map on the profile statistics page shows the U.K. as one big block, it implies that I have cached in Northern Ireland! I have not.
When registering for the website, I was required to select which country I was born in. England was not an option and so I had no option but to select U.K. Some really obscure countries are listed, so why not England, Scotland and Wales??
If you agree with me, regardless of where you are from, please add your support to my campaign to have the constituent countries of the U.K. recognised separately.
+The A-Team 1252
The A-Team 1252
On the jazz since 2009
AFAICT, while England, Wales, and Scotland are referred to as "countries", that word isn't used in the same way as it is applied to the rest of the world. The United Kingdom is the sovereign state, not the constituent "countries". The "Country" drop-down on this page should more correctly be labelled "Sovereign states" if the use of the word "country" is applied to those three regions.
+Isonzo Karst 473
Isonzo Karst 473
10% platinum
There's an article about this in the Help Center Place Names for the UK and Ireland
AFAICT, while England, Wales, and Scotland are referred to as "countries", that. The United Kingdom is the sovereign state, not the constituent "countries". word isn't used in the same way as it is applied "o the rest of the world. The United Kingdom is the sovereign state, not the constituent "countries". The "Country" drop-down on this page should more correctly be labelled "Sovereign states" if the use of the word "country" is applied to those three regions.
I have considered your response very carefully and looked into definitions of, "Country" and "Sovereign State". I agree with your comment that The United Kingdom is the Sovereign State, not the constituent countries.
On the page you linked, it seems to me that the drop down box lists only countries, apart from United Kingdom, which is a sovereignty. I therefore disagree that the drop down should be labelled differently. The drop down is correctly labelled, as it has a list of countries. It just needs to differentiate between England, Scotland and Wales, instead of listing a sovereignty instead.
In your reply, you refer to England, Scotland and Wales as regions. I strongly disagree with this. Each of the three countries are split into regions called Counties. For example, I am from Hampshire in England. My girlfriend is from Anglesey in Wales. England is not a "region" within The United Kingdom, it is one of the constituent countries.
I think part of the problem here, is that this issue will only be important to the English, the Welsh and Scots. I'm sure people in America or Canada, couldn't care less whether it says United Kingdom in the drop down box. As a customer of the website, I find it to be incorrect and a little ignorant, so I'd like it changed, or at least some kind of response from TPTB.
How can it be correct, that my stats show I have only cached in one country? I have cached in three. How can the map show (shaded in) that I have cached in Northern Ireland, when it is across the Irish Sea?
When I clicked on the link, it took me to the Help Centre, but not to an article? I tried to search for the article, but it didn't generate any results for the search.
+larryc43230 2
larryc43230 2
Wandering but seldom lost
Try this link instead.
--Larry
Thank you for the link I'm not sure if I'm missing the point that is being made in the text there, but it seems to be talking about regions like the West Midlands and Southern Scotland. I don't see any reference to countries, other than the differentiation between Northern Ireland and the R.O.I.
You misunderstand me. The United Kingdom isn't any different than the other entries on that list. They're all sovereign states. Canada is a sovereign state. India is a sovereign state. In the same way, the United Kingdom is a sovereign state. The term "country", generally, is a synonym for sovereign state. When you call England, Wales, and Scotland "countries", that word isn't being used in the same way as if you refer to India as a "country". In that usage, "country" seems closer to "state" or "province", although I do understand that they're closer to sovereign states than they are states or provinces.
In your reply, you refer to England, Scotland and Wales as regions. I strongly disagree with this.
"Region" is a generic term to describe an area, at least in the way I've used it. Many different things can be referred to as regions. You could consider Western Canada to be a region, even though there's no such political entity. North America is a region. The southwestern portion of my province is a region. Any sovereign state is a region. Basically, any geographical area you can define can be referred to as a region.
"Region" is a generic term to describe an area, at least in the way I've used it.
I apologize if that's the way you were using the term. I was being very defensive, as I felt that you were using the word "region" to decrease the significance of England. I only say this, because from my point of view, a region would have less importance than a country.
I'll admit that I'm very patriotic. I think perhaps the English, when asked, would state that England is a country; whereas the rest of the World would say that the United Kingdom is a country. The articles I have read on the internet seem to suggest that either view is valid, depending on whether you are speaking technically or colloquially.
As the website is essentially American (I feel) I can't expect TPTB to come around to my point of view.
I can't recall which one exactly, but Groundspeak uses a specific website to base their list off of (it might be a UN list). I think it lists the United Kingdom as the country, which is why they've gone with that on the site.
+The_Incredibles_ 23
The_Incredibles_ 23
I agree, they should be listed as 3 separate countries...which they are!
While we're on the topic, I live in Canada and I found it annoying to have to scroll past Cambodia to get to Canada. Countries with the most caching should be at the top of the list. This is not just an issue at geocaching.com. Many websites will list the United States first, followed by all the other countries in alphabetical order, regardless of who their most frequent customers are.
I guess if other people felt as strongly about this topic as I do, they would have commented by now. I don't see anyone adding support to my cause, so I guess it's a bit of a non-starter. The map issue does bug me, but I guess I'll just have to ignore it.
It hasn't even been 10 hours yet since you started the thread. I would wait a bit. There's more traffic in the evenings.
It might help to start a topic on the main forum as well. If you want, I can add my gripe about Canada being sandwiched between Cameroon and Cape Verde.
I think you're missing the point. Have you ever told a Chinese person you thought they were Japanese? Or told an English person you thought they were Scottish? I have and it's not pretty.
+Harry Dolphin 562
Harry Dolphin 562
Major Porpoise
Perhaps your problem is that you are expecting reality or logic to reign supreme. Not so. Ground Speak plays by whatever list or rules it chooses to use. Even more humorous is that if you found a cache in Northern Ireland, it would count as a find in Ireland, not Great Britain, and would not color in Northern Ireland on the map.
I had contemplated a trip to St. Pierre et Miquelon when it had one cache. That cache was listed as being in France. (St. Pierre et Miquelon is part of France amidst the Canadian Maritimes. At least the residents think they live in France. And the French think the residents live in France.) When the second cache hidden there was published, suddenly, it was no longer part of France. (Which probably comes as a shock to the French.) Yes. I would have taken the extra day, and fares, to find a cache in France. But not to find one in St. Perre et Miquelon. Oh, well. Enjoyed my visit to Newfoundland.
So: No. Logic and reason do not play a part here. And it's futile to try to get GS to change its mind.
Have you ever told a Chinese person you thought they were Japanese? Or told an English person you thought they were Scottish? I have and it's not pretty.
I don't see that as what's happening here, though. From what I can see, the English person is being called British or considered to be living in the United Kingdom. While the English person may prefer to be called English, being called British is in no way incorrect. I liken it to being called Canadian, even though you and I live in British Columbia. British Columbian is correct, but so is Canadian.
+tozainamboku 5
tozainamboku 5
Groundspeak could have done this a number of ways.
[*]Since caches already have the coordinates, they could have simple left country and state off. You search for caches and you get the nearest caches - as the crow flies - no matter the polictical jurisdiction or natural boundary that may separate you from the cache.
[*]They could have allowed people to enter a state/country as free text, but this could have the issue of people using different names or choose a different level of classification. The same location could be in England, Great Britain, or the United Kingdom and all would be correct.
[*]They could chose arbitrary designations for primary and secondary level classification.
For the United States, they picked United States for country and the 50 states plus the District of Columbia for state. I live in the third largest state in area and the largest in population. Its ridiculous to me that California isn't broken down into regions. There are too many caches in California for that to help my search and many would require at least an overnight trip for me to go find. On the other hand, someone in the District of Columbia is likely to find more caches in Maryland and Virgnia.
For me, it seems silly to split Great Britain by the traditional countries or even by the traditional counties. When you travel from England to Wales is isn't exactly as if you are crossing an international boarder and have to get your passport stamped. However, I seem to recall a cacher in Devonshire complained that Wales should be a separate country because caches in Wales showed up in their search even though it would take several hours to travel to them. The regions that the UK and Ireland reviewers came up with seem to be a resonable way to handle things.
Edited April 5, 2013 by tozainamboku
I don't see that as what's happening here, though. From what I can see, the English person is being called British or considered to be living in the United Kingdom. While the English person may prefer to be called English, being called British is in no way incorrect.
Sure, they're British, but they do have names for their countries. Would you like it if "North America" was listed as a country?
I liken it to being called Canadian, even though you and I live in British Columbia. British Columbian is correct, but so is Canadian.
That's not a very good analogy. People from Scotland consider themselves *very* distinct from the English. As do the Welsh. People get offended if you confuse them, just as you might not like being mistaken for an American. It's just not the same as comparing yourself to someone from another province.
I'll try this again.
The list of "countries" on this page consists of sovereign states (admittedly with a few oddball exceptions). Canada is a sovereign state. Argentina is a sovereign state. The United States is a sovereign state. The United Kingdom is a sovereign state. England, Wales, and Scotland are not sovereign states. North America is not a sovereign state.
I think a lot of this confusion is due to the British using the term "country" to refer to the subdivisions of the United Kingdom. For most of the world, "country" means the same as sovereign state. In the UK, it does not. Canada is broken down into provinces. The USA consists of states. The UK consists of countries. While these don't all have the same level of self-government, they're all the major subdivisions of their respective sovereign states.
Asking for the subdivisions of the UK to be listed separately in the geocaching.com list is no different than asking for the same thing for Canadian provinces, US states, German bundeslands, etc. The UK is the sovereign state, so that's why it's used in that list.
Oh no. No, no and thrice NO! This is not the same thing at all. I had agreed with every single point in your last post, up until this paragraph.
How can you say that England, Wales or Scotland are the equivalents of U.S. States or German bundeslands? I'm sorry, but I find that offensive. I'm sure that's not your intention, but I do.
As I stated previously, our equivalent of U.S. states are our Counties, each of which have a County Council. We then have the English Government, the Welsh Assembly and the Scottish Parliament.
Regardless of what is perceived in British Columbia/America/Canada, we are brought up here to believe that we live in a clearly defined country and that is important to us. The fact that this isn't respected in other parts of the world, are evident in this thread and on the website.
Just to make it clear, I don't have any "beef" with anyone and I'm not here to fall out with anyone. I think it's just a good debate.
Edited due to incorrect parentheses.
Edited April 6, 2013 by alexrea
+The Blorenges 8
The Blorenges 8
Blorenge - only word that rhymes with orange.
I am happy to be called a "Brit", or a resident of the United Kingdom & Northern Ireland, or English (the country where I was born), or Cornish (the English county where I was born). I'm often called Welsh because we currently live in Wales.
I agree with the OP that Great Britain (the big island) comprises three countries (England, Scotland and Wales) but for the purposes of finding plastic boxes I'm quite happy for them all to come under "the UK" - I know that we've found caches in England, Wales, Scotland, N Ireland, Eire (and various UK off-shore islands) but I feel no need to have them all separately listed.
MrsB
As I stated earlier in my post, I understand that these are not geo-politically equal. What I've been trying to describe (which seems to be falling on deaf ears) is that many sovereign states are broken down into sub-regions. It is in this way that they are equivalent. My Canadian dollar is broken down into cents, while your pound sterling is broken down into pence. Clearly these cents and pence aren't exactly the same, but the concept of subdivision is. Despite your interpretation of my posts, I'm in no way attempting to belittle England, Wales, or Scotland. I'm simply trying to explain why Geocaching.com has gone the way they have.
Regardless of what is perceived in British Columbia/America/Canada, we are brought up here to believe that we live in a clearly defined country and that is important to us.
I understand that you feel England is a distinct nation, but the fact remains that the rest of the world doesn't see England as being equivalent geo-politically to other sovereign states. For example, England, Wales, and Scotland do not have seats in the United Nations. The United Kingdom does. For the purposes of most global applications, England, Wales, and Scotland are not treated separately, but rather grouped together under the United Kingdom.
I'll reiterate again that I'm not saying you're wrong in being patriotic. It's just that as far as the rest of the world is concerned, the United Kingdom is the sovereign state, not England, Wales, or Scotland. Until those get seats in the United Nations, I don't foresee that perception changing.
+NanCycle 380
NanCycle 380
I understand your annoyance, but I think you're out of line in calling Groundspeak "ignorant." This isn't really a geocaching issue, nor is it a result of Groundspeak being a US company.
If you'll look at the websites for the London Olympics, you won't see England, Scotland and Wales listed as participating countries; the "Country" for which English, Scottish and Welsh athletes competed was referred to as "Great Britain and N. Ireland."
However those who are trying to make a comparison with US states or Canadian provinces are off the mark. I don't know if there's another case in the world which is analogous to the UK situation.
Oh there probably are several states in the world that are compose of people of varying nationalities who claim one part of the territory of that state as their country. The former Soviet Union was certainly a case. I would say that within the Russian Federation today there are several national groups that claim territory. Maybe the most well known case today is in China with Tibetans considered a separate nationality and Tibet being the homeland of the Tibetan people - even if the Chinese government doesn't want you to call it a country. Even in the United States and Canada many of the aboriginal tribes are recognized as nations and their lands have a degree of sovereignty from the surrounding states.
The historic areas of Great Britain that were occupied by by Celtic and later Anglo-Saxon tribes where each had developed a separate language and unique cultural traits, certainly fit the definition of nationality. As the Anglo-Saxon tribes gained dominance and later after the Norman French invasion, these countries became ruled by one monarchy. Over time the English language and culture came to dominate (though amazingly years later the people of Scotland and Wales have managed to hold on to some local use of their languages and to have preserved some of their culture). The English have also benefited with these Scottish and Welsh influences making their own culture and history richer. While in recent years, Parliament have give greater autonomy to the non-English regions.
But under the common view of geopolitical nation states, it is obvious that the United Kingdom is what most of the world sees as a Country. I salute the Country of the United Kingdom in its almost but not quite unique situation of combining people of different nationalities under one state.
I apologise for using the term "ignorant", that's probably a bit much.
I disagree however, that this isn't a geocaching issue. The reason this is a geocaching issue, is that it involves the geocaching.com website. The map on my profile page is filled in inaccurately. This is a result of the U.K. being considered as a whole, instead of the individual countries I have cached in. So yes, it is a geocaching issue.
Furthermore, if Groundspeak were a U.K. company, I think they would mark the map accordingly. I certainly don't think they would make it appear that I have been to Northern Ireland.
+Ruddles1325 0
Ruddles1325 0
Presumably finding a cache anywhere in mainland USA will show you as having found a cache in Hawaii and Alaska...is that better or worse?
I'd be interested to know if this is the case. That sounds pretty ridiculous. At least they're in the same country I suppose.
I thought Hawaii was part of the UK?
More the point. Hawaii was at one time a separate country with its own king and queen. While native Hawaiians are a now a minority of the state's population, their efforts to retain their language and culture would no doubt seem familiar to someone Welsh or Scottish.
Not meaning to argue with you, but to clarify: the reason I said that this isn't a geocaching issue (I understand that to you it has become one) and that it has nothing to do with Groundspseak being a US company is that, as The A-Team pointed out, Groundspeak is simply using the same protocol as the United Nations. Yes, the UN headquarters is in the US, but I don't think that makes it a US organization. And as I pointed out, the International Olympic Committee uses the country name "Great Britain and N. Ireland," which I believe (if I am mistaken please correct me) covers the same area as the United Kingdom. Groundspeak did not invent the designation; they are merely following common usage. Perhaps you should appeal to "higher powers."
Edit: A bit of further research shows that the complete name is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." Now I wonder why doesn't the IOC use "The United Kingdom"?
Edited April 7, 2013 by NanCycle
When looking at the Caches Found in the World Map, all states of the US including Alaska and Hawaii are shaded equally so that it appears that caches were found in every state. This is because it is all one country. See The A-Team's profile.
When looking at Caches Found in the US Map, only states in which caches were actually found are shaded, and unequally--depending on the number of caches found in each state.
And as I pointed out, the International Olympic Committee uses the country name "Great Britain and N. Ireland," which I believe (if I am mistaken please correct me) covers the same area as the United Kingdom.
And yet F.I.F.A. recognises England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and The R.O.I. as separate countries. So in the World Cup, we don't compete as the United Kingdom, or Great Britain.
I believe the same is also true of rugby and cricket.
Hawaii is a U.S. State. I think it was at one time part of the British Empire, hence the flag.
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Honestly (and I speak as someone who lives in England) it's not something I see as important. I don't see the fact I have Northern Ireland coloured on my "where I cached" maps as being any more troublesome than having Alaska and Hawaii coloured (obviously I've found a few caches in the UK, and several in the US but not in Alaska).
I'd rate this as a "might be nice to have" change but nothing worthy of any particular attention.
On the "countries cached in" map I've got the whole of North America shaded.
I've found caches in 11 states (not including Alaska or Hawaii, which are shaded), and two caches in Ontario. But then it's really not that different from the way other maps work - you can ask the question "did I find any caches in the US" where the answer changes from "No" to "Yes" as soon as I find a single cache. Then you can drill down into individual states which will give some differentiation between the person who found caches in all 50 states and the person who popped out of the airport to grab a cache while waiting for a connecting flight. Then if you really want to you can look at county level maps. My maps look nice enough at state level but the county level map shows, for example, that I found a couple of caches in a rest stop in West Virginia and that's all I found in the state.
Personally when I go caching I'm more interested in finding little boxes than fussing over exactly what to call the area where I found them.
+NYPaddleCacher 1042
NYPaddleCacher 1042
The "countries" list is based on the UN geopolitical ontology. I just took a look at it (I use it for a couple of different applications I've developed and frequently work with the UN agency which developed the ontology) and it lists "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and does not list England, Scotland, or Wales as separate countries. One of the other commonly used sources of geopolitical regions information is the CIA World factbook. It also just lists the United Kingdom, and does not mention England, Scotland, or Wales.
+MrCJDL 0
MrCJDL 0
The United Kingdom is a sovereign state. England, Wales, and Scotland are not sovereign states. North America is not a sovereign state.
This offends me. Whilst, after the treaties of 1706 & 1707 (passed by skullduggery and bribery) The United Kingdom came into being as a sovereign state... Scotland is still a Sovereign nation... it did not cease to exist, it simply joined a political union with England. More to the point, the people of Scotland are sovereign. See Declaration of Arbroath [1320] (US Declaration of Independence has roots in this document).
This offends me.
You must have gotten offended and stopped reading. I'll repost how I ended off my last post:
The basic truth is that the rest of the world doesn't see those regions as being sovereign nations. That doesn't mean you're wrong in considering Scotland to be sovereign, but that view isn't widely shared by others around the world.
Anyway, if what I said offends you, I'm not the one you should be directing your frustration towards. I'm simply the messenger describing how the rest of the world sees things. You should be directing your concerns towards the United Nations and its member nations, as well as throwing your support behind the Scottish independence movement.
Er, yeah, you're right, my eyes glazed over with rage. ha.
Interestingly, NATO Secretary General George Robertson 1999-2003 signed the Claim of Right, reaffirming the sovereignty of the Scottish people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claim_of_Right_1989
And yes, I'm already a fully paid up member... the sooner we get rid of the ball and chain that is Westminster, the better. I sense this is about to descend into a political argument , so I'm going to bow out now... after saying: I agree with the OP !
Edited April 19, 2013 by cjdl
+Kacher82 4
Kacher82 4
Seeker of All That is Hidden
What it looks like to me on the map issue, is instead of a map showing where you've found caches in Europe, it should have a map showing the divisions of the U.K.. That would be similar to my profile, where I have a map showing the countries of the world, with the U.S. shaded, and one showing the states of the U.S., with the 10 states I've cached in shaded. The map of Europe is like if I had a map of North America, with the U.S. shaded.
Edited April 19, 2013 by Kacher82
I think I see the problem:
We, gathered as the Scottish Constitutional Convention, do hereby acknowledge the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of Government best suited to their needs, and do hereby declare and pledge that in all our actions and deliberations their interests shall be paramount.
We further declare and pledge that our actions and deliberations shall be directed to the following ends:
To agree a scheme for an Assembly or Parliament for Scotland;
To mobilise Scottish opinion and ensure the approval of the Scottish people for that scheme; and
To assert the right of the Scottish people to secure implementation of that scheme.
Here's the proper way to get rid of English rule:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
And the next time someone suggests my posts are too long, I will remind them of Thomas Jefferson.
the sooner we get rid of the ball and chain that is Westminster, the better. I sense this is about to descend into a political argument , so I'm going to bow out now... after saying: I agree with the OP !
Thank you for agreeing.
I hope you get your independance btw, I'd be all for that. Good luck on your own if it happens
+Tschakko 0
Tschakko 0
We have a similar kind of "regionalism" in Germany. For example I would never ever want to be called a Bavarian. Also many Bavarians consider themselves a country in no need of the rest of Germany.
I guess there is a similar issue in Spain with Barcelona and the Catalan region.
For my part y know the term "country" equal to "sovereign state". And all the different regions (I use it as defined above) of the UK as well as Germany or Spain as they might have been sovereign at one point in history, they are not now.
Who knows. One day we might not even be able to call UK, Germany or Spain a "country" anymore. This would be the case if the EU becomes a sovereign state and therfore a country itself. Although if it keeps going as it is I do have doubts that´s ever gonna happen.
Actually, there are twenty-three countries in North America. Plus another twenty-seven dependent territories and 'other areas', according to Wiki.
Edited April 20, 2013 by Harry Dolphin
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Just curious, but I'm wondering what flag is flown for athletes from Scotland, Wales, England during the Olympics? Or are they one big happy team? BTW, I think it would be a great idea to have them listed as separate countries on Geocaching.com.
Just curious, but I'm wondering what flag is flown for athletes from Scotland, Wales, England during the Olympics? Or are they one big happy team?
The athletes from those countries compete as Team Great Britain. The flag flown is the Union Jack.
One of my grandfathers was born in Dundee, Scotland in 1872. My surname is Scottish. That's why I refer to myself as a Fifth of Scotch. Nope. Not English or the cumbersome UKish. His father-in-law emigrated in 1860 from Prague in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. So I call myself a quarter Czech. Though he may have been from anywhere in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. And with his last name, he might have been Hungarian. So. If I visit Prague, can I get the Austro-Hungarian Empire colored in? (My mother was of German heritage. Half Plattdeutsch, half Hochdeutsch.)
Imagine there's no countries.
It isn't hard to do.
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The list of "countries" on this page consists of sovereign states (admittedly with a few oddball exceptions).
"A few"? If you can include more than 50 non-sovereign entities like Åland Islands, American Samoa, Anguilla, Antarctica, Aruba, Belgium, Bermuda, Bonaire, Bouvet Island, British Indian Ocean Territories, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Christmas Island, Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Curacao, Falkland Islands, Faroe Islands, French Guiana, French Polynesia, French Southern Territories, Gibraltar, Greenland, Guadeloupe, Guam, Guernsey, Heard Island And Mcdonald Islands, Hong Kong, Isle of Man, Jersey, Macau, Martinique, Mayotte, Montserrat, New Caledonia, Norfolk Island, Northern Mariana Islands, Pitcairn Islands, Puerto Rico, Reunion, Saba, Saint Helena, South Georgia and Sandwich Islands, St Barthelemy, St Eustatius, St Pierre Miquelon, St. Martin, Svalbard and Jan Mayen, Tokelau, Turks and Caicos Islands, US Minor Outlying Islands, US Virgin Islands and Wallis And Futuna Islands in that list, you can surely manage to split the UK into England, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland?
Funny you should bring up the Olympics. The only reason you don't see Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales in the participating countries list is because they competed as Team GB for the 2012 Olympics - presumably so the Scots, Welsh and Irish wouldn't complain too much about the English getting the Olympics. At any other modern Olympics the four countries have sent separate teams. Here's a list of Scottish medal winners, for instance.
I think the two countries of Flanders and Wallonia might take exeception to calling their sovereignity in question.
Bonus points to you for actually reading the list!
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Q: Start-Job and PSVersion Error I need to delete a hell lot of records using a web-service. The module Microsoft.Xrm.Data.Powershell provides several cmdlets to get this job done.
The following script should be executed by the different jobs:
$packageCmd = {
    param($jobName, $crmConnection, $package)

    # Xrm is not a module that is system-wide loaded
    Import-Module Microsoft.Xrm.Data.Powershell

    $counter = 0

    write $jobName

    foreach($record in $package) {

        Remove-CrmRecord -conn $crmConnection -EntityLogicalName 'foobar' -Id $record.foobarid
        $counter++
    }
}

This is the code I use to execute my jobs:
foreach($p in $packages) {

    $jobname = $jobName =  ('Del_Data_Pak_{0}' -f $packageNumber)
    Start-job  -Name $jobname -ScriptBlock $packageCmd -ArgumentList $jobName, $crmConnection, $p

    $packageNumber++
}

When I execute my code the following error message is thrown inside the jobs:
Der aktuelle Windows PowerShell-Host ist: "ServerRemoteHost" (Version 1.0.0.0). Zum Ausführen
des Moduls "C:\Users\foobar\Documents\WindowsPowerShell\Modules\Microsoft.Xrm.Data.Powershell\Micro
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    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : Modules_InsufficientPowerShellHostVersion,Microsoft.PowerShell.Co
   mmands.ImportModuleCommand
    + PSComputerName        : localhost

The error message says that the module "Microsoft.Xrm.Data.Powershell" requires version 4.0 of PowerShell, but that the current host is using version 1.0.
Based on the online documentation for Start-Job can I pass the parameter -PSVersion but only with the values 2.0 or 3.0.
Does this mean that it is simply not possible to execute an job that uses a module that requires PowerShell 4.0 /5.0?
Update 2016-02-04: I commented out the following line in the file "Microsoft.Xrm.Data.PowerShell.psd1"..
# Minimum version of the Windows PowerShell host required by this module
#PowerShellHostVersion = '4.0'

... but now I receive this error inside the jobs:
Die Argumenttransformation für den Parameter "conn" kann nicht verarbeitet werden.
Der Wert "Microsoft.Xrm.Tooling.Connector.CrmServiceClient" vom Typ
"Deserialized.Microsoft.Xrm.Tooling.Connector.CrmServiceClient" kann nicht in den
Typ "Microsoft.Xrm.Tooling.Connector.CrmServiceClient" konvertiert werden.
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    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : ParameterArgumentTransformationError,Remove-CrmRecord
    + PSComputerName        : localhost

I do not understand why I have now "Deserialized.Microsoft.Xrm.Tooling.Connector.CrmServiceClient" and "Microsoft.Xrm.Tooling.Connector.CrmServiceClient"

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Tag Archives: Offenhauser
Americana – San Marino Motor Classic
The first weekend of June saw Geoffrey Horton take his Jaguar XK140 FHC seen above to the San Marino Motor Classic.
Among the US vehicles on display was this 1921 Duesenberg Straight Eight also known as the Model A first seen in 1920 but which did not go into production until 1921 by which time the motor had been fitted with an overhead camshaft.
Powered by a 6.3 litre / 384 cui L head straight 8 the 1932 Chrysler Imperial was also marketed as the 'Imperial 8'.
In 1957 Ford built two competition Thunderbirds with supercharged Lincoln motors and Jaguar transmissions, of which I believe only one original, the #98, still exists. The car above appears to be a copy of the #99 which was dubbed the Battlebird by the media back in the day.
I had great fun trying to figure out if the vehicle above was either a 57′ Chevrolet or a Cadillac and it turns out to be a bit of both. Cadillac owner Ruben Allender came up with the idea of offering a $1,000 conversion to turn a Chevrolet into a Cadillac in 1956. It is thought 20 examples were built in the first year and possibly 16 more in 1957 when production ceased.
Finally for today I'll leave you with this delicious vehicle labelled as a "1961 Indy Roadster". The #41 was carried by Johnny Boyd's Leader Card 500 Roadster sponsored Watson Offy in the 1961 Indy 500. Johnny qualified 20th and retired at just over half distance with a broken clutch.
My thanks to Geoffrey Horton and Paul McNabb for sharing today's photographs more of which will appear on Tuesday and Friday next week.
Thanks for joining me on this "Americana" edition of "Gettin' a li'l psycho on tyres" I hope you will join me again for Ferrari Friday tomorrow. Don't forget to come back now !
This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged Allender, Boyd, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Colmar, Duesenberg, Ford, GALPOT, Horton, Jaguar, Lincoln, McNabb, Offenhauser, Ralph, San Marino Motor Classic, Watson on July 3, 2014 by Ralph.
Smaller, Lighter, RHD – Cunningham C6R
After experiencing less than outright success at Le Mans with the Cadillac Le Monstre Cunningham in 1950, Chrysler powered Cunningham C2R in 1951, similarly powered C4R in 1952 and C5R in 1953 Briggs Cunningham decided that three short comings of the previous designs had to be addressed.
His next new project the C6R, had to be smaller, lighter and right hand drive to optimise weight distribution on a circuit with predominantly right hand corners.
The C6R was also originally intended to be powered by a race bred 340 hp 4.5 litre / 274 cui Ferrari V12 motor of the type more commonly found in a Ferrari 375MM of the type he had run at Le Mans in 1954 for Phil Walters and John Fitch.
Responsibility of the design for the body of the C6R was handed over Herbert "Bud" Unger who had worked on the bodies of the Cunningham C4R and C5R Cunningham's as a metal worker.
In correspondence with me, about the design, Mr Unger said; "The engineers wanted maximum air flow to the brakes front and rear…" These were 13 inch air cooled drum brakes, prone to fading when hot. "I made the front air intake as large as possible and also extra air intakes on both sides beside the main grille air intake.
Next, I tapered the side of the body in from the front fenders all the way back to the rear fenders and by large air scoops to get maximum ram air into both rear brakes."
By the time the car appeared at Sebring in 1956 with it's unpainted aluminium body, crafted by "a man form Europe that was an expert with the (English) wheel.
Briggs, for reasons unknown, compromised the original design criteria by fitting a modified 3 litre Indy 500 engine running on petrol instead of the usual alcohol brew.
Le Patron shared the driving at Sebring with John Gordon Bennett and they retired from the race on the 54th lap after the clutch disintegrated.
When the C6R appeared at Le Mans the body had some alterations including a single smaller front intake and a D-Type Jaguar like headrest and rear fin and the car ran over the weekend with the rear brake cooling intakes in open and blanked off configurations.
During the course of it's second race Briggs and Sherwood Johnson found the C6R started loosing gears and it retired from 13th place after 18 hours after the engine had enough of pushing the car round in forth, top, gear only.
Briggs Cunningham raced the car one more time in 1955 at Road America where the Offy motor again expired for good.
The car did not run again until 1957 by which time a 3.8 litre 6 cylinder Jaguar six cylinder motor had been fitted.
Briggs raced the car on four occasions with a best known result of 9th at Lime Rock in June 1957.
The car was permanently retired to Briggs Cunningham's collection thereafter which has since become part of the Collier Collection. It is seen here at recent Goodwood Festival of Speed meetings.
My thanks to Mr Unger, Cunningham Motorsport Historian Lawrence W. Berman, Paul Kierstein from the photo archive and Sondre Kvipt in Norway who facilitated my correspondence with Mr Unger. Thanks also to Herbert at The Nostalgia Forum who brought up the subject of the C6R's blanked off rear air intakes.
Thanks for joining me on this "Smaller, Lighter, RHD" edition of "Gettin' A L'il Psycho On Tyres" I hope you will join me for Ferrari Friday tomorrow. Don't forget to come back now !
This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged Bennet, Berman, C6R, Collier Collection, Colmar, Cunningham, Festival of Speed, GLAPOT, Goodwood, Herbert, Jaguar, Johnson, Kierstein, Kvipt, Motorsport, Offenhauser, Ralph, Unger on June 5, 2014 by Ralph.
D.A. Lubricant Special – Kurtis Offenhauser KK500H
For the 1958 Indianapolis 500 D.A.Lubricants sponsored an Offenhauser powered Kurtis KK500H that was to be driven by Johnny Thomson. Unlike previous Kurtis Indy cars this one did not lift it's inside front wheel when going through the corners because it was the first Kurtis to be fitted with independent front suspension.
Johnny qualified the D.A.Lubricants Special 22nd and on the first lap got tangled up in the accident that killed Pat O'Conor damaging the suspension. Johnny continued for another 51 laps before the team called it a day, to be classified 23rd, with damaged steering. The race was won by Jim Bryan in the Salih Offy Belond Special.
In 1959 the D.A.Lubricants Special became the Smokey's Reverse Torque Special driven by Duane Carter who qualified 12th and finished 7th to record the cars only Indy 500 finish in a race dominated by the Watson Offy's driven by Roger Ward and Jim Rathman. Interestingly Smokey Yunnick had realised that by reversing the direction of the crankshaft and flywheel rotation the car should have had a better balance through the corners, hence the Smokey's Reverse Torque name.
This cars final appearance in the 500 was in 1960 when Don Freeland drove the car now known as the Ross-Babcock Traveler qualifying 11th but being classified 22nd after withdrawing from the race with a magneto problem.
Ron Fournier restored the car to 1958 D.A.Lubricants configuration and to meet current vintage racing requirements in 2007.
My thanks to Geoffrey Horton for sharing his photo's of the car seen at last years Rolex Reunion at Lagunna Seca.
THanks for joining me on this "D.A. Lubricant Special" edition of "Gettin' a li'l psycho on tyres" I hope you will join me for Maserati Monday tomorrow. Don't forget to come back now !
This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged Carter, Colmar, D.A. Lubricants, Freeland, GALPOT, Geoffrey Horton, KK500H, Kurtis, Lagunna Seca, Offenhauser, Ralph, Rolex Reunion, Ross-Babcock Traveler, Smokey's Reverse Torque Special, Thompson on May 11, 2014 by Ralph.
Bardahl Special – Kurtis Offenhauser 500G
Ole Bardahl was the embodiment of the American dream aged 20 he arrived in Seattle from Norway in 1922 with $32 in his pocket and unable to speak a word of English, by 39 he had become a millionaire building contractor and went on to found the Bardahl Oil Company in Ballard Seattle.
From 1950 to 1959 Bardahl sponsored Offenhauser powered Kurtis cars started in every Indy 500, two third places from Sam Hanks in 1952 and 1953 were the teams best results in this period. In 1956 a Bardahl showed up with the unique Ferrari powered Kurtis for Giuseppe Farina but the car proved too slow.
For reasons that have not been determined during the research for this blog for 1957 Bardahl had Kurtis build two left hand drive Offenhauser powered 500G's,all the other '57 Kurtis Indy cars were right hand drive so far as I have been able to determine the #16 was driven by Al Keller and the #19 seen here by Jack Turner. Al Keller started the '57 Indy 500 from 8th on the grid but crashed on lap 75 and was classified 27th, while Jack Turner started 19th and classified 11th last car on the lead lap.
The '57 Bardahl Kurtis Offy was by no means the only left hooker Indy car the manufacturer built, regular readers will remember that the Ross Page Special I looked at a couple of weeks ago was also a left hand drive machine, but the question remains as to why so few left hookers were built at all when almost all the other vehicles that participated in the Indy 500 at the time featured either a central driving position or a right side driving position ? If you have any references for an answer please do not hesitate to chime in below.
For the 1958 Indy 500 Al Keller, perhaps best known as the first driver of a foreign car, Jaguar, to win a NASCAR sanctioned race, Linden, in 1954, took over the car seen in today's photographs taken by Geoffrey Horton at the Concours on the Avenue in Carmel By The Sea a couple of years ago. Renumbered #52 Al qualified 21st completed all 200 laps and was classified 11th as had the cars previous driver Jack Turner in 1957.
For 1959 Bardahl returned to the 500 with a conventional right hand drive Kurtis for Paul Russo who finished 9th. Through the 1960's Bardahl entered Kurtis, Watson and Eagle cars with a best result of 3rd for Bobby Unser who drove a Bardahl entered Lola in the 1969 Indy 500 which appears to have concluded the teams participation in "The greatest spectacle in racing".
My thanks to Geoffrey Horton for sharing his photographs which I have used in all of this months Indy 500 blogs, and to E.B. at The Nostalgia Forum for confirming today's featured car was driven by Al Keller in the 1958 Indy 500.
Finally congratulations to Tony Kanaan for winning the 2013 edition of the Indy 500.
Thanks for joining me on this "Bardahl" edition of "Gettin' a li'l psycho on tyres" I hope you will join me again tomorrow. Don't forget to come back now !
This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged 1957, 1958, 500G, Bardahl, Carmel by the Sea, Colmar, Concours on the Avenue, GALPOT, Geoffrey, Horton, Indy 500, Keller, Kurtis, LHD, Offenhauser, Page, Ralph, Roadster, Ross, Special, Turner on May 30, 2013 by Ralph.
Blakely Oil Special – Schroeder Offenhauser
The Blakely Oil Special was designed and built by Gordon Schroeder for owner John McDaniel to enter in the 1951 Indianapolis 500.
The #52 qualified 29th and finished 5th, having run has high as second, with rookie Bobby Ball at the wheel. Schroeder and Clint Brawner were on the crew led by Myron Stevens formerly of Miller who was also responsible for the fabrication of the chassis and the body work.
The Blakely Special was powered by a 4 cylinder 4.4 litre / 270 cui Offenhauser motor as were all the other cars in the 1951 Indy field apart from the two Novi powered Novi Purelube entered Kurtis chassis. Indy 500 historian Michael Ferner informs me that the The Blakely Oil Special failed to qualify for the 1952 500 after Bobby Ball crashed the car in practice.
The Blakely Oil Specials next appearance in the Greatest Spectacle in Racing came in 1953 with Jimmy Bryan at the wheel. Jimmy qualified 31st and was classified as a runner in 14th place with 183 laps completed.
In 1954 Andy Linden and Len Duncan driving for entrants Brown Motor Company and Brady qualified 23rd and 26th were classified 25th and 31st respectively driving Schroeder Offenhausers. Today's featured car, seen in these photographs by Geoffrey Horton at last years Desert Classics Concours d'Elegance, did not qualify for the '54 Indy 500 after Frank Mundy failed to complete his rookie orientation programme.
John McDaniel nearly had a third DNQ at Indy in 1955 when Duke Nalon failed to make the cut, but rookie Keith Andrews saved the day by qualifying 28th and was classified 20th with 120 laps completed.
Michael Ferner has also told me that Tony Bettenhausen raced the car on dirt tracks in 1954 as did Bill Cheesebourg in 1956 when the car ran as the #23 McDaniels. Dick, father of 1979 Le Mans winners Bill and Don, Whittington bought the car in 1957 and ran it in dirt events and at Pikes Peak where the #36 came home with 21st fastest time slowest of the USAC entires to complete the course.
The car has been restored by Gary Schroeder, Dick Russell and Gary McCourt the original body by Wayne Ewing and Jerry Weeks, upholstery by Darel 'Whitey' Morgan and the motor by Phil Reilly & Co.
My thanks to Geoffrey Horton for sharing today's photographs and to Michael Ferner at The Nostalgia Forum for sharing his wealth of knowledge.
Thanks for joining me on this "Blakely Oil Special" edition of "Gettin' a li'l psycho on tyres" I hope you will join me again for Ferrari Friday tomorrow. Don't forget to come back now !
This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged Andrews, Ball, Bettenhausen, Blakely Oil Special, Brawner, Bryan, Camp Car, Cheesebourg, Colmar, Concours d'Elegance, Desert Classic, Ferner, GALPOT, Geoffrey, Horton, Indy 500, McDaniels, Michael, Mundy, Nalon, Offenhauser, Pikes Peake, Ralph, Schroeder, Stevens, USAC, Whittington on May 23, 2013 by Ralph.
Baby Hemi – Peugeot EX4/L3
May used to be the month where US open wheel racing was centered entirely on the story coming out of Indianapolis Motor Speedway, this month the iZod Indy Car Series breaks with tradition and will also be visiting Sao Paolo on May 6th, however GALPOT will be dedicating the next 5 Americana Thursday Posts to The Greatest Spectacle in Racing in years long gone by thanks to Geoffrey Horton who over the last two years has sent me numerous photo's of Indy Cars from the Concours d'Elegance scene in California.
This months five part potted history of the Indy 500 returns to 1914 when, as I found out two years ago, rookie René Thomas went to victory lane driving Delage Y, I forgot to mention René was accompanied by riding mechanic Robert Laly.
Today's featured car the #14 Peugeot EX4/L3 was also entered in the 4th running of the Indy 500 for another rookie called Arthur Duray and US riding mechanician Henry Mattheys by Jacques Menier a member of the French Menier Chocolatier dynasty.
In 1914 qualification for the 500 was slightly different procedure from what we are familiar with today, in the first two editions of the Indy 500 qualification was by date the entries were received providing a minimum speed had been achieved over a measure mile of the circuit in 1911 and a full flying lap in 1912. For 1913 and 14 with the arrival of foreign competitors a qualifying lap with a minimum speed was compulsory but the grid positions were determined by blind draw.
The Peugeot EX4/L3 that Jaques Menier bought featured an 'L3' 4 cylinder 3 litre / 183 cui version of the giant killing 7.6 litre / 463.78 L76 Motor that had successfully seen off the 15 litre / 915 cui FIAT's in the 1912 French Grand Prix. Having proved with success the benefits of technical innovations that included twin gear driven overhead cams operating 4 valves per cylinder, which also featured the original hemi heads, designer Ernst Henry, aided by his driver engineers collectively known as "Les Charlatans", proceeded to produce three further evolutions of of the motor with sizes of 5.6 litre / 341 cui, as used by Georges Boillot and riding mechanic Prévost to win their second consecutive French Grand Prix in 1913, 4.5 litre / 274 cui and the smallest of the family 3 litre / 183 cui L3 seen here.
For those interested in the minutiae of veteran era production methods there is a fascinating story regarding this particular motor whose block was found to have inconsistent longitudinal bore center lines on this thread on The Nostalgia Forum led by distinguished historian Doug Nye linked here.
Alongside the winning two car Delage team Arthur Duray faced two EX3/L56 powered Peugeots of Georges Boillot with a riding mechaninc M. Brevot who 'might' have been Boillot's regular mechanic Prévost with 1913 rookie winners Jules Goux partnered by Emil Begin. Boillot set the fastest time in practice of 99.860 mph but the draw by ballot for grid slots saw Jean Chassagne's Sunbeam start from pole.
Boillot was in a comfortable position to win the 1914 Indy 500 until repeated tyre failures led to a 14th place finish while Goux in the second large Peugeot finished 4th with Duray coming home second to the Delage of René Thomas.
Arthur Duray who set three land speed records between 1903 and 1904 carried on racing until the 1930's for manufacturers that included Hispano-Suiza, Ariès, B.N.C and Amilcar. At the 1921 French Grand Prix he was a spectator when running in second place Albert Guyot's riding mechanic got hit on the head by a rock, Guyot pulled his Duesenberg up in the pits and it became apparent that his mechanic was too dazed to continue. On seeing this Arthur Duray is said to have vaulted the spectator fence pushed the mechanic aside cranked the Dusenbergs motor to life and jumped into the mechanics seat alongside Guyot who went on to record a sixth place finish.
The aforementioned Mr Nye has kindly informed me courtesy of Scott George at the Collier Collection, current owners of the vehicle, that "After its Indy days there is some suggestion it (today's featured car) returned to France, plus a parallel suggestion that it stayed in the US. Sold to Harry Harkness who ran it a little in the north-eastern area, then sold to Kaufman, himself a New York Peugeot agent and team owner. The engine might have been "swapped out" of the chassis at some stage. Car then found at Benny Brandfon's yard for old race cars and exotics in NY…"
Esteemed Indy historian Michael Ferner has expanded on what may have become of the car while in the care of Peugeot Dealer Alphonse Kaufman "The (#14) Meunier/Duray car, on the other hand, is a possible candidate for having served as the basis for the 1916 "Peusun Special", apparently a Peugeot chassis with a Sunbeam engine and a Delage radiator!" If today's featured EX4/L3 did form part of the Peusun Special this may tie up with Doug's suggestion that the engine "might have been 'swapped out'."
Michael suggests James O'Keefes forthcoming book 'Peugeot Racing In America (pre-WW II)' should be a worthwhile read on the subject.
Harry Miller who had maintained and rebuilt a Peugeot L series motor copied the basic twin over head cam 4 valves per cylinder hemi head architecture for his own Miller motors that would come to dominate the Indy 500 in the 1920's and 1930's which would in turn be succeeded by "Offy" engines that former Miller employee Fred Offenhauser developed having bought the rights to the Miller motors when Miller went bust. The Offenhausers would remain competitive in ultimate turbocharged form at Indy until the mid 1970's.
Of the 900 odd blogs I have posted to date this has without question proved one of the more challenging and I hope I have given an accurate summary of our knowledge of the car to date, my thanks to Doug Nye, Michael Ferner and Tim Murray, at The Nostalgia Forum and Scott George at the Collier Collection for their contributions to my understanding of the fascinating history of today's featured Peugeot EX4/L3. Finally thanks to Geoffrey Horton without whose photographs their would have been no Peugeot EX4/L3 to blog about.
Thanks for joining me on this "Baby Hemi" edition of "Gettin' a li'l psycho on tyres" I hope you will join me again tomorrow. Don't forget to come back now !
03/05/13 PS Geoffrey has informed me the electrical equipment attached to the front axle was a sensor connected to a computer seen in the cockpit by students of the Revs Programme at Stanford University to examine the Peugeot's dynamics in motion.
This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged Alto, Babcock, Chocolate, Colmar, Concours d'Elegance, Duray, GALPOT, Geoffrey, Henry, Horton, Indy 500, L3, Les Charlatans, Mattheys, Menier, Miller, Murray, Nye, Offenhauser, Palo, Peugeot, Ralph, Whicker on May 2, 2013 by Ralph.
The Kiwi Bear Corrections – McLaren Offy M15
Firstly a big thanks to racer Jerry Entin who kindly corrected a blog I posted a couple of years ago about Denis Hulme's participation in the 1970 Indy 500 and has kindly sent some additional photo's from the IMS Archive to complete the story.
Photo Courtesy Jerry Entin and IMS Archive 1970
For 1970 Bruce McLaren had Gordon Coppock design the first McLaren Indy 500 challenger, above the #73 McLaren Offy M15 is seen in the Indy pit lane with Denny at the wheel, Tyler Alexander crouched beside him and Teddy Mayer with clip board on the pit wall. Jerry tells me the little guy in the back ground is Chickie Hirashima a well known crew chief and Offy engine builder.
The turbocharged Offenhauser's that McLaren used were prepared by George Bolthoff (R) with help from the legendary Herb "Herbie Horsepower" Porter (L) of Speedway Engines.
Photo Courtesy Steve Arnaudin Copyright Ed Arnaudin 1970
Ed Arnaudin's photo above show's New Zealander Denny taking part in practice,
his team mate in the #75 McLaren Offy M15 was to have been fellow New Zealander Chris Amon with whom team owner Bruce McLaren had won the 1966 Le Mans 24 Hours driving a Ford GT40.
Team owner Bruce McLaren, seen above squatting next to Denny, had tested the #79 M15 making a big impression driving in convoy with his #73 and #75 entries on the opening day of practice for the 1970 Indy 500 and Denny was to shake down the #79 back up car to cover all eventualities.
However the #79 developed a methanol fuel leak,
which caught fire, the only evidence of the fire in the photo above is the clearly visible heat haze above the far front wheel as Denny prepares to jump and roll away from his car which was still traveling at 70 mph.
Denny received severe burns to his hands which forced him to miss the Indy 500 and the next two Grand Prix however within a month he was back behind of the wheel of his McLaren Chevrolet M8D Can Am car winning the series with six race victories, a string of three third place finishes also helped Denny secure 4th place in the world drivers championship all while his hands were still healing.
Teddy Mayer engaged Peter Revson to replace Denny in the #73 for the Indy 500, Peter qualified 16th but retired and was classified 22nd.
On seeing the extent of his countryman Denny's injuries Chris Amon was not impressed with the Indy safety facilities and withdrew from the race.
Chris's place in the #75 was taken by Carl Williams who qualified 19th and brought the car home 8th to record McLaren's first finish in the Indy 500. The teams next design the M16 would become the class of the field in early 1970's taking wins with Mark Donohue driving in 1972 and Johnny Rutherford in 1974 and 1976.
However team owner Bruce McLaren would not see any of these success he was killed a couple of days after the 1970 Indy 500 testing a McLaren Chevrolet M8D Can Am car at Goodwood. Team manager Teddy Mayer took over the running of the Bruce's legacy which is now the second oldest team in Grand Prix racing behind Ferrari.
My thanks to Jerry Entin, IMS Archive, Ed and Steve Arnaudin who made today's blog possible and apologies for any confusion caused by getting the car Denny was driving when he got injured wrong in the original post.
Thanks for joining me on this "The Kiwi Bear Corrections" edition of "Gettin' a li'l psycho on tyres" I hope you will join me again tomorrow. Don't forget to come back now !
This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged 500, Alexander, Amon, Arnaudin, Bolthoff, Bruce, Chevrolet, Colmar, Coppock, Donington Park Museum, Entin, GALPOT, Harishima, Herbie Horsepower, Hulme, IMS Archive, Indianapolis, Indy, M15, McLaren, Meyer, Offenhauser, Porter, Ralph, Revson, Speedway Engines, USAC Champ Car, Williams on April 21, 2013 by Ralph.

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The first day of December marks the holiday season in full force. It sure looked like Santa's workshop at Charlie Chews Dog Treats commercial space – the donated storage and staging area in Manhattan for Best Friends' Hurricane Sandy relief efforts. But those weren't elves bustling about with brightly colored toys. There were over 40 volunteers on hand, building community (aka feral) cat shelters to be distributed to devastated areas, where cats and their caregivers are facing extra hardships this winter.
The volunteers were also helping to unload the pet food from Del Monte next to the previously donated truckload of pet food that was being processed for distribution from our corporate supporter Blue Buffalo. Then it was time to load the trucks that were heading out to help people and pets. It was a busy day, but many hands make light work.
During Thanksgiving weekend, Best Friends distributed over a thousand pounds of much-needed supplies to Staten Island, one of the most heavily hit areas. And true to our word when we said, "We will make sure everyone has what they need for their pets," we were back on the ground, delivering pet necessities the whole week.
John Garcia, emergency response manager, led the team on December 2, providing support for the victims of New Dorp, Staten Island, by installing the recently constructed community cat shelters in protected areas where the free-roaming cats have seen their territories destroyed and delivering 3,500 pounds of wet and dry dog and cat food, cat litter, beds, blankets, sweaters, treats, and food and water bowls. Thanks to our amazing supporters, Best Friends has also been able to collect and distribute – via our volunteer efforts, led by Best Friends volunteer coordinator Tammy Heeber – over two tons of supplies to more than 15 other tri-state animal rescues and food pantries.
"I can't believe Best Friends came here," says Donna Solli, tearing up. Donna has been a Best Friends supporter for years, and her support just came full circle. She is one of the most passionate community cat caregivers in the New Dorp area. As she explains, "I've lived in this house for nine years, and I bought it because the property has a big wooden fenced yard. I can take care of the feral cats here." Donna's six housecats and seven community cats all survived the storm unscathed, as did her 16-year-old rescue dog, Lola. But her property, home and belongings were devastated.
Pulling together is exactly what New Dorp neighborhood resident Ronnie Schriefer is doing. She identified five community cats living in the condemned building across the street from her home and has been caring for them. Ronnie explains, "There was a neighbor feeding the stray cats, but she hasn't returned. I feel good about helping the animals; it's the least I can do. Thank you for helping us help take care of our precious furry friends." Best Friends left Ronnie a hefty supply of food and cat litter and coached her on ways she can get the cats to relocate out of the building that will be bulldozed.
Best Friends volunteer Diane Mancher exemplifies what the season of giving is all about. She has been involved with the relief effort since day one. She donated her downtown office space to be used as a donation drop-off and has been helping distribute the items for Best Friends.
John Pungitore, another Best Friends volunteer, came out over the weekend to make a difference for the victims of the storm. While this is one of his first volunteer endeavors with Best Friends, he has been doing trap/neuter/return in his home state of New Jersey for over 10 years.
Thanks to the generosity of our corporate supporters Arm and Hammer, American Nutrition, wag.com, and Del Monte, as well as our corporate partner Natural Balance and our dedicated volunteers and donors, the people and pets who suffered through Superstorm Sandy will not be forgotten this holiday season.
Donate to the Hurricane Sandy relief fund.


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Events & Rehearsals
Orchestra Staff
The Saline Symphony Orchestra
The Saline Symphony Orchestra, located in Bryant, Arkansas, will commence Spring 2022 rehearsals in January and will perform in concert on Saturday, April 30, 2022, at 6:30 pm, at Love Auditorium at the Bryant High School Fine Arts Building.
The concert will feature not only the full Saline Symphony Orchestra, but as a special program, youth musicians will join the orchestra on select numbers. Bryant Mayor Allen Scott will be Master of Ceremonies for the evening.
The orchestra is a community-based organization with volunteer musicians from Saline County, as well as Little Rock, Hot Springs Village, and Sheridan areas. The performance is free to the public and appropriate for all ages. Donations are accepted, both in person and online. If you are interested in joining the Saline Symphony Orchestra or you have a student who is interested in applying to play during the special youth program, please see our Events Page for more information.
Love Auditorium is a state-of-the-art facility with free and handicapped parking on the grounds of Bryant High School. To find the latest information, see the Saline Symphony Orchestra's Facebook Page at https://fb.me/SalineSymphony.
The Saline Symphony Orchestra is a volunteer organization in Saline County, Arkansas.
Copyright © 2017-2022 Saline Symphony Orchestra and Dimensions Fine Arts. All Rights Reserved.


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Respecting the Maunga
The Manawatu Standard has commented on DOC's plans for the Tongariro National park this summer…(PDF)
First up, Stuff.co.nz, it's not a two hour plod and that comment itself is disrespectful: it's a proper climb in an environment that is nor forgiving. Mt Ngauruhoe deserves respect for that alone.
Secondly, referring to Mt Ngauruhoe as Mt Doom is equally disrespectful; more so when the request not to use this reference is a specific part of this summer's campaign.
Thirdly, the Tongariro Alpine Crossing is not a "…20-kilometre journey along one of New Zealand's nine Great Walks..." The TAC is not actually one of the nine Great Walks at all, although it shares part of the trail with the Tongariro Northern Circuit – which is one of the nine Great Walks.
I mean, really…? Did you even think about this before publishing it…? Even after the scorchings you have had for similar errors in the past..?
Mt Ngauruhoe, as with the two other summits, should be respected for its cultural significance. Some days it looks like an ant's nest with unprepared visitors swarming over the north face. Just because they aren't man-made structures (like pick a famous church) goes not mean they are worthy of any less respect.
People will still climb them – that genie is long out of the bottle – and the challenge now is to shape their behaviour towards one of greater respect. Being safe is part of that respectful behaviour: there is a risk in placing rangers to discourage visitors from the most popular route up the north face. This is an action that DOC specifically stated it would not take at the public meeting on this issue in Whakapapa two weeks ago.
That risk is that, by discouraging people from the most popular and safest route up the lave ridge on the north face, DOC will be encouraging them to select other routes. These other routes won't be, for the average visitor, as safe as the north face route. In addition, the concentration of most climbers on the north face means that the very clear start point for search and rescue operations on Mt Ngauruhoe may no longer exist and that visitors in distress may be on any one of a number of less safe alternative routes.
Concentrating visitors on to one route or area also minimise the visitor impact on other areas of each mountain. That impact is not just the literal impact of pairs of feet, but of human waste (ewwww), rubbish, lost gear, and walking poles (each pole is like another foot striking the delicate volcanic surface).
The situation is aggravated by publications like Wilderness Magazine advocating alternative routes without differentiating them by risk or difficulty level, or information centres, with the best of intentions but perhaps not the best knowledge, recommending routes based on what's looks OK on a map, or second-hand invalidated information from other visitors.
In a perfect work, we could all sit back and enjoy Tongariro and Ngauruhoe from afar, respecting their significance to local communities. But we've over-hyped and -marketed the Tongariro Alpine Crossing for decades – and all involved need to share responsibility for this. We need to look to the future though – leave the past behind – and consider how we ALL can best play our "…guardian role in protecting not only Tongariro and his peaks, but also the safety and wellbeing of visitors to the region…?"
This will only work if we do this together…
…to sow the seed of visitor expectation as soon as there is the faintest glow in the light bulb of "Let's go Tongariro"
…to must be consistent on our messaging and at time put aside, direct personal benefit…
…to make visitors feel welcome and safe…and informed…
#westisbest
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On the inimitable excellence of this ode much has been written by commentators, critics, and poets - and it is allowed by the best judges to contain a specimen of almost every species of excellence in composition. It is so thoroughly poetic that even the dull Jews themselves found they could not write it in the prose form; and hence it is distinguished as poetry in every Hebrew Bible by being written in its own hemistichs or short half lines, which is the general form of the Hebrew poetry; and were it translated in the same way it would be more easily understood. The song itself has suffered both by transcribers and translators, the former having mistaken some letters in different places, and made wrong combinations of them in others. As to the translators, most of them have followed their own fancy, from good Mr. Ainsworth, who ruined it by the most inanimate rhyming version, to certain latter poets, who have cast it unhallowedly into a European mould. See the observations at the end of the chapter, Deuteronomy 32:52.
Give ear, O ye heavens - Let angels and men hear, and let this testimony of God be registered both in heaven and earth. Heaven and earth are appealed to as permanent witnesses.
(3) Deuteronomy 32:34-42, God's compassion upon the low and humbled state of His people.
The Song differs signally in diction and idiom from the preceding chapters; just as a lyrical passage is conceived in modes of thought wholly unlike those which belong to narrative or exhortation, and is uttered in different phraseology.
There are, however, in the Song numerous coincidences both in thoughts and words with other parts of the Pentateuch, and especially with Deuteronomy; while the resemblances between it and Deuteronomy 28:15; Leviticus 26:14), and describe it in general terms. If once we admit the possibility that Moses might foresee the future apostasy of Israel, it is scarcely possible to conceive how such foresight could be turned to better account by him than by the writing of this Song. Exhibiting as it does God's preventing mercies, His people's faithlessness and ingratitude, God's consequent judgments, and the final and complete triumph of the divine counsels of grace, it forms the summary of all later Old Testament prophecies, and gives as it were the framework upon which they are laid out. Here as elsewhere the Pentateuch presents itself as the foundation of the religious life of Israel in after times. The currency of the Song would be a standing protest against apostasy; a protest which might well check waverers, and warn the faithful that the revolt of others was neither unforeseen nor unprovided for by Him in whom they trusted.
That this Ode must on every ground take the very first rank in Hebrew poetry is universally allowed.
Introduction. Heaven and earth are here invoked, as elsewhere (see the marginal references), in order to impress on the hearers the importance of what is to follow.
He is the Rock, his work is perfect - Rather, the Rock, perfect is his work. This epithet, repeated no less than five times in the Song Deuteronomy 32:15, Deuteronomy 32:18, Deuteronomy 32:30-31, represents those attributes of God which Moses is seeking to enforce, immutability and impregnable strength. Compare the expression "the stone of Israel" in Genesis 49:24; and see 1 Samuel 2:2; Psalm 18:2; Matthew 16:18; John 1:42. Zur, the original of "Rock," enters frequently into the composition of proper names of the Mosaic time, e. g., Numbers 1:5-6, Numbers 1:10; Numbers 2:12; Numbers 3:35, etc. Our translators have elsewhere rendered it according to the sense "everlasting strength" Isaiah 26:4, "the Mighty One" Isaiah 30:29; in this chapter they have rightly adhered to the letter throughout.
Render: "It" (i. e. "the perverse and crooked generation") "hath corrupted itself before Him (compare Isaiah 1:4); they are not His children, but their blemish:" i. e., the generation of evil-doers cannot be styled God's children, but rather the shame and disgrace of God's children. The other side of the picture is thus brought forward with a brevity and abruptness which strikingly enforces the contrast.
Hath bought thee - Rather perhaps, "hath acquired thee for His own," or "possessed thee:" compare the expression "a peculiar people," margin "a purchased people," in 1 Peter 2:9.
These verses set forth in figurative language the helpless and hopeless state of the nation when God took pity on it, and the love and care which He bestowed on it.
Compare Exodus 19:4. The "so," which the King James Version supplies in the next verse, should he inserted before "spreadeth," and omitted from Deuteronomy 32:12. The sense is, "so He spread out His wings, took them up," etc.
With him - i. e., with God. The Lord alone delivered Israel; Israel therefore ought to have served none other but Him.
i. e., God gave Israel possession of those commanding positions which carry with them dominion over the whole land (compare Deuteronomy 33:29), and enabled him to draw the richest provision out of spots naturally unproductive.
Breed of Bashan - Bashan was famous for its cattle. Compare Psalm 22:12; Ezekiel 39:18.
Fat of kidneys of wheat - i. e., the finest and most nutritious wheat. The fat of the kidneys was regarded as being the finest and tenderest, and was therefore specified as a part of the sacrificial animals which was to be offered to the Lord: compare Exodus 29:13, etc.
The pure blood of the qrape - Render, the blood of the grape, even wine. The Hebrew word seems (compare Isaiah 27:2) a poetical term for wine.
Jesbarun - This word, found again only in Deuteronomy 33:5, Deuteronomy 33:26, and Isaiah 44:2, is not a diminutive but an appellative (containing an allusion to the root, "to be righteous"); and describes not the character which belonged to Israel in fact, but that to which Israel was called. Compare Numbers 23:21. The prefixing of this epithet to the description of Israel's apostasy contained in the words next following is full of keen reproof.
They provoked him to jealousy - The language is borrowed from the matrimonial relationship, as in Deuteronomy 31:16.
Devils - Render, destroyers. The application of the word to the false gods points to the trait so deeply graven in all pagan worship, that of regarding the deities as malignant, and needing to be propitiated by human sufferings.
Not to God - Rather, "not God," i. e., which were not God; see the margin and Deuteronomy 32:21. Compare Deuteronomy 13:7; Deuteronomy 29:25.
The anger of God at the apostasy of His people is stated in general terms in this verse; and the results of it are described, in words as of God Himself, in the next and following verses. These results consisted negatively in the withdrawal of God's favor Deuteronomy 32:20, and positively in the infliction of a righteous retribution.
Daughters - The women had their full share in the sins of the people. Compare Isaiah 3:16 ff; Isaiah 32:9 ff; Jeremiah 7:18; Jeremiah 44:15 ff.
I will see what their end shall be - Compare the similar expression in Genesis 37:20.
God would mete out to them the same measure as they had done to Him. Through chosen by the one God to be His own, they had preferred idols, which were no gods. So therefore would He prefer to His people that which was no people. As they had angered Him with their vanities, so would He provoke them by adopting in their stead those whom they counted as nothing. The terms, "not a people," and "a foolish nation," mean such a people as, not being God's, would not be accounted a people at all (compare Ephesians 2:12; 1 Peter 2:10), and such a nation as is destitute of that which alone can make a really "wise and understanding people" Deuteronomy 4:6, namely, the knowledge of the revealed word and will of God (compare 1 Corinthians 1:18-28).
Burning heat - i. e., the fear of a pestilential disease. On the "four sore judgments," famine, plague, noisome beasts, the sword, compare Leviticus 26:22; Jeremiah 15:2; Ezekiel 5:17; Ezekiel 14:21.
Rather, I would utterly disperse them, etc., were it not that I apprehended the provocation of the enemy, i. e., that I should be provoked to wrath when the enemy ascribed the overthrow of Israel to his own prowess and not to my judgments. Compare Deuteronomy 9:28-29; Ezekiel 20:9, Ezekiel 20:14, Ezekiel 20:22.
Behave themselves strangely - Rather, misunderstand it, i. e., mistake the cause of Israel's ruin.
The defeat of Israel would be due to the fact that God, their strength, had abandoned them because of their apostasy.
Our enemies - i. e., the enemies of Moses and the faithful Israelites; the pagan, more especially those with whom Israel was brought into collision, whom Israel was commissioned to "chase," but to whom, as a punishment for faithlessness, Israel was "sold," Deuteronomy 32:30. Moses leaves the decision, whether "their rock" (i. e. the false gods of the pagan to which the apostate Israelites had fallen away) or "our Rock" is superior, to be determined by the unbelievers themselves. For example, see Exodus 14:25; Joshua 2:9 ff; 1 Samuel 4:8; 1 Samuel 5:7 ff; 1 Kings 20:28. That the pagan should thus be constrained to bear witness to the supremacy of Israel's God heightened the folly of Israel's apostasy.
Their vine - i. e., the nature and character of Israel: compare for similar expressions Psalm 80:8, Psalm 80:14; Jeremiah 2:21; Hosea 10:1.
Gall - Compare Deuteronomy 29:18 note.
Rather: "Vengeance is mine and recompence, at the time when their foot slideth.
Repent himself for - Rather, have compassion upon. The verse declares that God's judgment of His people would issue at once in the punishment of the wicked, and in the comfort of the righteous.
Render: For I lift up my hand to heaven and say, As I live forever, if I whet, etc. On Deuteronomy 32:40, in which God is described as swearing by Himself, compare Isaiah 45:23; Jeremiah 22:5; Hebrews 6:17. The lifting up of the hand was a gesture used in making oath (compare Genesis 14:22; Revelation 10:5).
From the beginning of revenges upon the enemy - Render, (drunk with blood) from the head (i. e. the chief) of the princes of the enemy.
Moses begins with a solemn appeal to heaven and earth, concerning the truth and importance of what he was about to say. His doctrine is the gospel, the speech of God, the doctrine of Christ; the doctrine of grace and mercy through him, and of life and salvation by him.
1. Ye heavens. Moses opens his song by calling upon men and angels to give ear to the words the Holy Spirit has put in his mouth. These are to be witnesses (see on ch. 31:28) to the majesty and power of God. Compare the psalmist (Ps. 50:4), Isaiah (Isa. 1:2; 34:1), and Micah (Micah 1:2). This is reminiscent of the song of Moses at the Red Sea (Ex. 15).


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I just returned from a two-week long business trip from China. It felt like it has been two months. In a good way.
It was first formally introduced to the valley community via Sequoia's Mike Moritz article on China earlier this year. It was controversial and I understand why. China shares a very different work culture than the US, in that it is (still) very top-down driven with a blurred line between work and personal life. For example, it's no secret that in China, people conduct business conversations over after-work meals and over Wechat. As a result, the business response cycle is much faster. However, as a regular tech worker in China, it's hard to take a real break.
In addition, on a higher level, China has the so-called 996 (9 am to 9 pm, 6 days a week), which I heard it's now evolved into 007 (0 am to 0 am, 7 days a week). I think that's just too much and it compromises productivity. But many companies are doing it.
The work ethic in China is incredibly strong, especially when it comes to building high speed / highly scalable companies (think PinDuoDuo, 3-year-founding-to-IPO company; ByteDance, rumored $75B company in mere 6 years).
Which one is it? Probably China has both. And the next Google, next Uber for China will have to come from the companies who view work from the 2nd angle. Just like how the valley has been over the past decades.
A US VC who was born and raised in China. A huge foodie. Proud owner of a spoiled dog and a hunter cat.


wouldn't be worth the effort unless I had a specific requirement to do so.
such as a modern, frames-capable browser (IE4+, NS4.5+).
norm. If so, why the resistance to using frames?
the cookie due to the depth and breadth of the data saved.
persists across page loads or a cache of retrieved values.
Bottom line: I would avoid (1), (2) and (3) if at all possible.
> > user navigates through the application.
> > applications. I'd hate to see this go away.
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Government plans for an industrial strategy and calls for sectors to pitch for a deal is a one-off opportunity for tourism to be recognised as an industry of the future, competing globally and backed by Government.
In January 2017, the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy published an Industrial Strategy green paper. At the February Tourism Industry Council, a group set up to collaborate between government and the tourism industry, an agreement was reached that the tourism sector would push for a Tourism Sector Deal. The bid is being led by Steve Ridgway CBE, former CEO of Virgin Atlantic and current hotel owner, an industry leader and expert, in line with other sector deals. The bid is being facilitated by VisitBritain/VisitEngland who are helping the industry pull together its proposals.
As part of this industry-led process, the government stipulated that those sectors with the broadest reach, and ability to speak with "one voice" are the likeliest to achieve a sector deal. We reached out in particular to the 200,000+ small businesses in all the sectors that make up our vibrant tourism industry. More than 450 businesses and organisations fed into a consultation process to help shape the final outcomes of the submission by reaching out in particular to the 200,000+ small businesses in all the sectors that make up our vibrant tourism industry.
VisitBritain has now pulled together the formalised submission document (PDF 14.5KB). Whilst not every idea has been included in this process, Steve Ridgway was clear that there are a number of key areas that the Government needs to continue to understand and these are areas that may well be taken forward separately.
In November 2018, the Government announced they will be entering into an official negotiation with the tourism industry for a tourism sector deal, to attract more domestic and overseas visitors and help drive major economic growth.
Recognising the tourism industry as one of the UK's most successful exports, the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, Jeremy Wright has called upon the industry to respond with a renewed commitment to promote its offer throughout the year, not just in the peak summer months, and increase clear career paths.
If Tourism achieves a Sector Deal as part of the Industrial Strategy, this is a really important milestone for the industry. It will mean being at the top table with other leading industries and making sure that the voice of tourism is heard loud and clear in the years and decades ahead.
Tourism in Britain – both inbound, outbound and domestic – is built around a unique and world-beating experience. From ancient heritage to diverse and spectacular landscapes to world renowned product and service, Britain consistently finds itself amongst the most desirable destinations anywhere in the world.
Tourism is a core and vital sector within the British economy already. Accounting for 9.6% of all employment and 9% of GDP. Tourism is two and a half times bigger than the automotive industry, a bigger exporter than the insurance sector and is growing faster than the digital sector.
£126.9bn and 9% of UK GDP annually.
Tourism is a big job creator – creating more jobs during the 2008/09 recession than other industries – and helping to lift the economy out of recession through sustained growth.
Tourism creates growth and jobs right across the whole country. Every single local authority has people employed in tourism, and in recent years, growth of tourism has played a significant role in the rebalancing of the UK economy.
There are three strands of work being undertaken at different levels. Four working groups have been created which are all industry-led and have organised themselves in different ways.
These groups are 1) Regulation, 2) Industry of Choice, 3) Connectivity and 4) Industry of the Future.
Steve Ridgway, the tourism bid leader, is meeting with a number of high-level business figures over the coming weeks.
VisitBritain (the British Tourist Authority) has agreed to support the bid process and will collate the current consultation document responses.
Next step: Find out more about the industrial strategy.
A sector deal for tourism will put tourism at the top of the Government's agenda and become one of the leading economic sectors in the UK.


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