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From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Thu Nov 3 09:39:32 2022
On 03 Nov 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
Ok, tovarish
By the way, on Monday a Tulsa, Oklahoma donut shop was fire-bombed for
hosting drag-queen-related events. Anti-LGBTQ filers were left at neighboring businesses and a hate-filled anti-LGBTQ screed was left at the scene of the crime.
How's *that* for "cultural terrorism?"
Jeff.
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From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Nov 3 18:25:00 2022
By the way, on Monday a Tulsa, Oklahoma donut shop was fire-bombed for hosting drag-queen-related events. Anti-LGBTQ filers were left at neighboring businesses and a hate-filled anti-LGBTQ screed was left at the scene of the crime.
It counts, just as the businesses that were firebombed by leftist
protesters during the 2020 Summer of "Love," some of which were owned by
fellow people of color.
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From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 3 19:12:15 2022
On 03 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
By the way, on Monday a Tulsa, Oklahoma donut shop was fire-bombed for hosting drag-queen-related events. Anti-LGBTQ filers were left at neighb businesses and a hate-filled anti-LGBTQ screed was left at the scene of crime.
It counts, just as the businesses that were firebombed by leftist protesters during the 2020 Summer of "Love," some of which were owned by fellow people of color.
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, church burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have been responsible for.
From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Fri Nov 4 10:30:47 2022
Actually this is a lie. This is a purposeful lie. You know this very well. Slavery was part of the world economic system in those days.
The biggest empires in Africa were created by black people to oppress black people. If my memory serves me, slavery was abolished in Ethiopia in 1935. Arab rulers and princes bought black slaves from black masters until the middle of the 20th century. But how about talking about slavery over whites? Why don't Africans want to apologize for the raids of the Birbary pirates
and the slave markets where white children and women were sold? This
happened in the middle of the 19th century. Black and Arab princes took
great pleasure in spending money on white girls with blue eyes for their harems. Sorry, but your whole story is false, like the whole communist ideology. You only want to know what is convenient for you at the moment. Instead of condemning vicious economic practices, communists create groups
for "mental terrorism". Would you to go to Turkey or Libya, or maybe
Ethiopia to condemn the practice of human trafficking?
<Jeff Thiele> news:184.ef93cdd3.b507c72a@bbs.erb.pw...
By the way, on Monday a Tulsa, Oklahoma donut shop was fire-bombed
hosting drag-queen-related events. Anti-LGBTQ filers were left at
neighb
businesses and a hate-filled anti-LGBTQ screed was left at the scene
crime.
It counts, just as the businesses that were firebombed by leftist protesters during the 2020 Summer of "Love," some of which were owned
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, church burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have been
responsible for.
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From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Fri Nov 4 07:29:51 2022
Actually this is a lie. This is a purposeful lie. You know this very
No, it's not. And maybe if you learned how to quote correctly, people would know what you're talking about.
Slavery was part of the world economic system in those days.
It was, but even at the framing of the Constitution, there were many who opposed it. Hence the "3/5 Compromise."
The biggest empires in Africa were created by black people to oppress black people. If my memory serves me, slavery was abolished in Ethiopia
in 1935. Arab rulers and princes bought black slaves from black masters until the middle of the 20th century. But how about talking about
slavery over whites? Why don't Africans want to apologize for the raids
of the Birbary pirates and the slave markets where white children and women were sold? This happened in the middle of the 19th century. Black with blue eyes for their harems.
None of that has anything to do with what we're talking about, but as world opinion goes as of a couple of centuries ago, these peoplewere conservatives and the longer they embraced slavery, the more conservative they were. Great Britain abolished slavery in 1833.
Sorry, but your whole story is false,
like the whole communist ideology. You only want to know what is convenient for you at the moment.
It's not a lie. Conservatives have been engaging in "cultural terrorism" for centuries.
And if you haven't figured it out yet, I'm not a communist or a Marxist, or
an advocate for pure socialism. I will, however, correct your lies about any
of those. Why? Because as a liberal, I get called a communist, a Marxist, and
a communist by people who have no idea what those words mean.
Instead of condemning vicious economic
practices, communists create groups for "mental terrorism". Would you to go to Turkey or Libya, or maybe Ethiopia to condemn the practice of
human trafficking?
That is entirely irrelevant in this context, and actually sounds like you're trying to defend conservative "cultural terrorism" by deflection. I do
condemn human trafficking, and I am sure that there are communists who do so
as well.
And now we've gone from "cultural terrorism" to "mental terrorism?" What's next, "emotional terrorism?"
Please learn how to address your posts properly. And then please learn how to quote properly.
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Nov 4 01:28:22 2022
Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, because you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this echo.
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Lynchings, church burnings, and other forms of "cultural terrorism"
perpetrated by conservatives continued long after the abolition of slavery in the US, and comtinues to this day.
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 4 08:40:43 2022
On 04 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, ch burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives h been responsible for.
Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, because
you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this echo.
Conservatism: commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition to change or innovation. (Oxford Languages)
The people who lynched black people and/or burnt churches were committed to traditional "values" and ideas such as the notion that black people are
somehow "below" white people. They opposed change or innovation, such as the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement.
Regardless of whether its members were Democrats or Republicans, the KKK has always been a conservative, right-wing organization and has never been left-wing. At the time of its founding, the KKK opposed the Republican
policies for economic and political equality for Black Americans. After
the initial KKK wave died down a bit, it re-emerged in the early 20th
century espousing opposition to immigrants, Catholics, Jews, organized
labor and, of course, Black Americans and those who supported their
equality. Today, of course, the KKK is firmly Republican, since the Southern Democrats of the late 19th and early 20th centuries switched to the
Republican Party.
Lynchings, church burnings, and other forms of "cultural terrorism" perpetrated by conservatives continued long after the abolition of
slavery in the US, and comtinues to this day.
You're wrong to call them "conservatives." Prove it! Did you see their ballots?
A timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DePape, who
attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
You made a valiant effort to distract from his conservative, right<wing ideology by making up fantastical conspiracy theories about how he was
secretly hired by the Democrats, but as more information is released about
the situation, your efforts are proving to have been in vain.
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynching burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservati been responsible for.
Conservatism: commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition
I knew you didn't have any examples.
Lynchings, church burnings, and other forms of "cultural terrorism" perpetrated by conservatives continued long after the abolition of slavery in the US, and comtinues to this day.
They were indeed conservatives, trying to put Black Americans "in their
place" so that the previous social order could be restored. Their words and action plainly identify them as such.
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lyn burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conse been responsible for.
Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, beca you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this e
Conservatism: commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposit
Every lynching and church burning is an example. The definition of
conservatism combined with the motives of the perpetrators proves it.
In my previous post, I explained why the KKK was, and is, a conservative organization. If you were not able to logically extrapolate that crimes committed by the KKK were, by definition, crimes committed by a conservative organization and that crimes committed by a conservative organization were,
by definition, committed by coservatives, then the problem is with you, not
me. Every crime committed by the KKK is an example of conservative "cultural terrorism."
From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Roman Petrovich on Fri Nov 4 18:00:24 2022
Hello Roman,
Still is. In the USA. But only "as a punishment for crime whereof
the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United
States or any place subject to their jurisiction." (13th Amendment).
Have a day,
Not my president!
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From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Nov 4 16:42:00 2022
By the way, on Monday a Tulsa, Oklahoma donut shop was fire-bombed for hosting drag-queen-related events. Anti-LGBTQ filers were left at neigh
businesses and a hate-filled anti-LGBTQ screed was left at the scene of
Conservative Democrats even. I never said it did. I just pointed out that your example counted as did several other recent ones. I am right
there with you when it comes to prosecuting persons who fire-bomb donut
shops.
I am not the one that has difficulty counting certain mass violence events while not counting (or hoping everyone else ignores) others.
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From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROMAN PETROVICH on Fri Nov 4 16:45:00 2022
Actually this is a lie. This is a purposeful lie. You know this very well.
I don't think he is lying. He is just selectively ignorning other things.
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He quoted your message. I had no issues understanding what he was
responding to.
Some BBSes (including mine, I think) allow people to post via NNTP, like in
a newsgroup. Some NNTP readers default to ALL. I can remember when all newsgroup posts were to ALL and you could not select an individual to
address it to, unless you responded via email.
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From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Nov 4 17:04:00 2022
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, church
burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have been responsible for.
Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, because you're the
most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this echo.
Conservative Democrats did these things between the Civil War and Civil
Rights, and sometimes after. We learned this in US History class.
I was going to say "in the South," but that actually is not entirely true. These things happened in Union states like Indiana, (Northern) Illinois,
and several other places outside of "the South."
Jeff's line of thinking, when it comes to conservatives, is very black and white. In past he has claimed that by being conservatives/Republicans we support every bad thing that every conservative has ever done or will ever
do so long as we keep voting Republican.
However, if you point out some bad things a non-conservative group has
done, like firebombing a black business in Minneapolis, or shooting dead a black man in St. Louis, or taking over several city blocks (and ultimately killing at lesat one person) in Portland, he will claim not to support those.
I would expect that he would not, as no one should but, using his logic, as a self-professed liberal, he must support those things. They were done by liberals and continuing to vote Democrat means he supports them.
Sometimes it is difficult to follow but it is easier if you keep that in
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equality. Today, of course, the KKK is firmly Republican, since the Southern Democrats of the late 19th and early 20th centuries switched to the Republican Party.
Based on what I know of George H. W. Bush's life, where his family was Republican before that happened, I know that last bit is true in your state of Texas, but it is not true in every state. They did not all switch.
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A timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DePape, who attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives" done any political violence lately?
Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in t
Conservatism: commitment to traditional values and ideas with op
Every lynching and church burning is an example. The definition of conservatism combined with the motives of the perpetrators proves it.
"Every" is not an example. I looked it up. There was a church burning in Lake Worth, TX in 1999, but there was no suspect ever arrested (according to Wiki) so there's no "conservative" involved in that one.
(According to Wiki) there was a series of fires (10) in east Texas in 2010. 3 suspects were arrested. There's no mention of their political beliefs. One of them was interviewed and said he was targeting churches "because they were corrupt" and that he was under the influence of prescription drugs during the crime spree. No mention of any of the 3's political beliefs though.
You're full of it. Whenever you post a message using weasel words like "many, most, usually, etc," it's safe for the reader to disregard the entire post.
I get what you said about the KKK being "conservative" but the KKK isn't actively participating in political violence, at least not any that the media is able to find.
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 4 22:17:17 2022
However, if you point out some bad things a non-conservative group has done, like firebombing a black business in Minneapolis, or shooting dead
a black man in St. Louis, or taking over several city blocks (and ultimately killing at lesat one person) in Portland, he will claim not
to support those. I would expect that he would not, as no one should
but, using his logic, as a self-professed liberal, he must support those things. They were done by liberals and continuing to vote Democrat
means he supports them.
I agree with what you're saying about Jeff, except how do we really know that "they were liberals?" They seemed pro-crime & pro-Democrat (killed 19 Americans) but we haven't asked them about their political beliefs.
Marxism is formally divided by researchers into three types: Maoism,
Leninism, Marcusianism. All these three philosophical systems of Marxism
rely on terror as a means of political struggle. Terror can be divided into two types in this system of values. Terror of direct violence (red brigades, red faction and so on). The so-called direct action sung by Saatr and other communist apologists. The essence of this model, as is obvious, is the physical elimination of class alien elements. In other words, the physical destruction of people on a class basis. This happened in the USSR, Cambodia, South Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba and so on. In other words, these are mass murders for the sake of creating a new person. In fact, this is eugenics
based on class theory. The second form of terror is proposed by the
Frankfurt school, they supposedly rethought the ideas of Marx. They are betting on the so-called "cultural terror". Instead of taking over state institutions, they took over the institutions of culture (schools for young leaders and so on) and religion (religion of liberation).
Thus, they were able to get rid, in their own words, of Lenin's "bonedness", namely, the binding of ideology to a particular state. Cultural terror is a more sophisticated practice than simple mass murder. The task is to abolish everything that is considered the cause of the emergence of Nazism in
Germany. According to this theory, it is necessary to destroy nuclear families, as the cause of the emergence of authoritarian personalities. Likewise, nuclear "white" families, namely "whites", are declared to be the perpetrators of colonialism and all the crimes in the entire history of civilization. An important goal in this fight is the theory of "canceling". Creating an unbearable environment for the "white" guilty of "all the sins
of civilization".
This is "cultural terror": business cancellations, property damage, chemical castration of children, abortion factories, distortion of history through controlled media, propaganda of euthanasia, drug addiction, suicidal mass culture, population decline and ecological terror, and so on. More often
than not, publicists call all this "left agenda." In traditional Marxist language - propaganda. One of the important attributes of the "agenda" is
the creation of Newspeak. With a reference to the graphomaniac books of leftist authors pulled out of mothballs. And of course historical falsifications. Ironically, the most powerful capitalist financial
foundations are sponsors of this ideology.
But the most important tool is young people and "freaks", which Marcuso
openly wrote about while in prison. Sexual deviations are the main cementing foundation of sects, including political ones. The division of people into groups of gender, racial characteristics, allows neo-Marxists to demand an exclusive attitude towards representatives of groups. It's called guildians socialism. When instead of protecting each specific individual, as the smallest minority, they offer to protect groups created with WEF money. The ultimate goal of this whole experiment is to create a single Creole race as
an example of "tolerance". Although this is also another communist lie.
<Aaron Thomas>
"Every" is not an example. I looked it up. There was a church burning in Lake
Worth, TX in 1999, but there was no suspect ever arrested (according to Wiki)
so there's no "conservative" involved in that one.
(According to Wiki) there was a series of fires (10) in east Texas in
2010. 3
suspects were arrested. There's no mention of their political beliefs. One of
them was interviewed and said he was targeting churches "because they were corrupt" and that he was under the influence of prescription drugs during the
crime spree. No mention of any of the 3's political beliefs though.
You're full of it. Whenever you post a message using weasel words like "many,
most, usually, etc," it's safe for the reader to disregard the entire
I get what you said about the KKK being "conservative" but the KKK isn't actively participating in political violence, at least not any that the media
is able to find.
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 4 20:51:46 2022
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, churc burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have responsible for.
Conservative Democrats even.
Yes, we both know that both parties were aligned quite differently from their modern counterparts.
Conservative Democrats even. I never said it did. I just pointed out that your example counted as did several other recent ones. I am right there with you when it comes to prosecuting persons who fire-bomb donut shops.
And I'm right there with you when it comes to people taking advantage of protests to commit property crimes. They should be, and are being, held responsible.
I am not the one that has difficulty counting certain mass violence
events while not counting (or hoping everyone else ignores) others.
I'm not ignoring it. I'm just saying that it's done far more by the right.
The left does not hoard weaponry and talk about overthrowing the
government by extralegal and/or violent means if they don't like the current administration. With few exceptions, the left does not threaten, attack,
or assassinate political targets. And, as in the case of the donut shop firebombing, I was never referring only to mass violence.
Actually this is a lie. This is a purposeful lie. You know this very wel
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, chu burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives ha been
I don't think he is lying. He is just selectively ignorning other
I wasn't lying, nor was I "selectively ignoring" other things. In terms of deaths, conservatives have a far higher body count than liberals.
No, it's not. And maybe if you learned how to quote correctly, people wo know what you're talking about.
He quoted your message. I had no issues understanding what he was responding to.
I did. I kept having to jump down to see what he was talking about, then jump back up to respond. Sure, the quoting is there, but it's a pain in the @$$ to work with.
Some BBSes (including mine, I think) allow people to post via NNTP, like in a newsgroup. Some NNTP readers default to ALL. I can remember when all newsgroup posts were to ALL and you could not select an individual to address it to, unless you responded via email.
You remember when, as in... the past? He could find a BBS that conforms to
the standards, such as they are. It's a wide, wide world, and although Aaron says that Roman knows first-hand what it's like to live under communism,
where is Roman presently that he doesn't have access to BBSs around the world?
Jeff's line of thinking, when it comes to conservatives, is very black
and white. In past he has claimed that by being
conservatives/Republicans we support every bad thing that every conservative has ever done or will ever do so long as we keep voting Republican.
White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are members of the conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is made to purge them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. You may personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them when forced to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.
equality. Today, of course, the KKK is firmly Republican, since the Sout Democrats of the late 19th and early 20th centuries switched to the Republican Party.
That is true, there was not a 100% switch in both parties. But then again,
the parties weren't as strongly aligned on conservative/liberal lines as they are now.
It was the Southern Democrats who were extremely racist and conservative, not necessarily the Democrats of the north. There were very few Southern Republicans at the time, because the South was largely Domecrat-controlled.
And that's where the "Southern Strategy" came into play: The only way that Republicans could make gains in the south was to lure racist southerners away from voting Democrat by adopting a racist agenda. Not just racist voters made the switch; racist politicians did, too. And now the Republican Party pretty much dominates the South, whereas it was dominated by Democrats from Reconstruction (which racists *really* didn't like) until the GOP
adopted the "Southern Strategy." The South does indeed have its own history separate from that of the North.
A timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DePape, wh attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
Are you perhaps forgetting about 1/6/21?
Pelosi's attacker was indeed an illegal immigrant (a Canadian who overstayed his visa) and a conservative, but whether or not he was mentally ill is debatable. Is someone who subscribes to unsubstantiated conspiracy theories despite the evidence presented to them mentally ill? Is someone who refuses
to acknowledge reality mentally ill?
Whether or not he is mentally ill, politicians and other people making publicly-accessible statements need to acknowledge that there are mentally
ill people out there who could take their rhetoric literally. There's absolutely no need for that kind of rhetoric in our society, except to get people riled up and primed for violence.
"Every" is not an example.
True. It's a whole lot of examples.
"Every" is not an example. I looked it up. There was a church burning in Lake Worth, TX in 1999, but there was no suspect ever arrested
(according to Wiki) so there's no "conservative" involved in that one.
You have one unsolved church bombing as the basis that conservatives have
never bombed churches? You failed to mention that the fire started in an external shed and was carried to the church by the wind.
The targets of church burnings have historically been churches with Black congregations. There were burnings of black churches after Dylann Roof's
racist attack on a Black church in Charleston. There were Black church
burnings across the South in 1995 during a national debate over the
Confederate flag. And through history, there have been many more.
I'll admit that drug-addled arsonists might be an exception to the rule, and change by statement to "most" church bombings, especially those of Black churches, have been committed by conservatives.
No, it's because there are exceptions to every rule.
The KKK does not have the political power it once did. Historically, though, they have been responsible for quite a bit of violence and death. While they may not be as active today, other groups with similar ideologies are.
Marxism is formally divided by researchers into three types: Maoism, Leninism, Marcusianism.
Leninism, Marcusianism. All these three philosophical systems of Marxism rely on terror as a means of political struggle.
This, however, is false. The rest of your post is irrelevant due to being
based on this false premise.
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Nov 5 02:55:32 2022
Rightly so. Just like how the Democrats bank on black supremacist groups like BLM. We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbred.
It's been almost 2 years. What else?
Pelosi's attacker was indeed an illegal immigrant (a Canadian who
You say "indeed" like you know for sure. Neither of us know for sure. We're just parroting stuff we heard on TV. I haven't seen his passport. Have you?
mentally ill is debatable. Is someone who subscribes to unsubstantiated conspiracy theories despite the evidence presented to them mentally ill?
Honestly, that is not a factor. Doctors don't ask questions about "subscriptions."
Whether or not he is mentally ill, politicians and other people making publicly-accessible statements need to acknowledge that there are
mentally ill people out there who could take their rhetoric literally. There's absolutely no need for that kind of rhetoric in our society, except to get people riled up and primed for violence.
That's why you should tell Joe to suck it for telling people "if ya take the vaccine you won't get covid." Mentally ill people might take that old cracker seriously and end up suing.
White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are members of the conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is made to pur them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. You may personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them when forc to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.
Rightly so.
So you condone their acts of violence?
Just like how the Democrats bank on black supremacist groups
like BLM.
BLM are not black supremacists. They want to be treated equally.
We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbred.
And that is why the GOP is racist, bigoted, and ugly.
That is relatively recent, historically speaking. But we have national elections every two years, so you shouldn't have to wait long.
His identity is known, as is his country of origin and his means of entering the US. You would know that if you consulted real news sources.
mentally ill is debatable. Is someone who subscribes to unsubstantiat conspiracy theories despite the evidence presented to them mentally i
The "subscriptions" in this case are belief systems. But you knew that.
You're just trying to dodge the question because you don't like the answer.
Whether or not he is mentally ill, politicians and other people makin publicly-accessible statements need to acknowledge that there are mentally ill people out there who could take their rhetoric literally There's absolutely no need for that kind of rhetoric in our society, except to get people riled up and primed for violence.
That's why you should tell Joe to suck it for telling people "if ya take the vaccine you won't get covid." Mentally ill people might take that
old cracker seriously and end up suing.
No, it isn't. Biden's statement, while inaccurate, is not an example of
violent rhetoric. But you knew that. You just can't find any examples of Democrats utilizing violent rhetoric.
You have one unsolved church bombing as the basis that conservatives have never bombed churches? You failed to mention that the fire started in an external shed and was carried to the church by the wind.
So the wind has "conservative" political beliefs? Sounds like hot air to me!
congregations. There were burnings of black churches after Dylann Roof's racist attack on a Black church in Charleston. There were Black church
Dylan Roof was a conservative? Has he expressed his beliefs about globalism? Did he have a problem with world government or autonomy?
racist attack on a Black church in Charleston. There were Black church burnings across the South in 1995 during a national debate over the Confederate flag. And through history, there have been many more.
Were the arrested party(ies) found to be in possession of Fox News hats?
Come on Jeff. Tell us about the Republican who molested you. Did he tell you something like "Don't worry Jeff, I'm a senator!?" It's ok to cry.
The KKK does not have the political power it once did. Historically, though, they have been responsible for quite a bit of violence and
death. While they may not be as active today, other groups with similar ideologies are.
Ok, so that answers my previous question. You were molested by a klan member. Maybe those guys are a powerful force in Texas, but they ain't shit up in
these parts. You should move out of Texas. You'd love the home prices here!
From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Nov 5 10:08:00 2022
The ones in the Pacific NW were pretty outwardly vocal about their beliefs.
I agree that you technically don't know about the others but, if we are
using the same method of assumption as Jeff, etc., then we have to assume
they were liberals/leftists.
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From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Nov 5 10:55:00 2022
You say that, but we don't see much of that on the news.
I'm not ignoring it. I'm just saying that it's done far more by the right. The left does not hoard weaponry and talk about overthrowing the
government by extralegal and/or violent means if they don't like the current administration.
I disagree. As we have discussed before, I have run into people who claim
that they themselves are doing so. I also could not help but notice that
many of the protesters in the Pacific NW were using anti-riot gear. Other protesters brought along gasoline and other flamable substances. Some of
them were armed. Sounds like people looking for violence to me.
One difference that I cannot disagree with is that right-wing nut jobs tend
to broadcast their intentions, & be exposed by the press, much more than left-wing nut jobs do.
* SLMR 2.1a * Alaskan spill: Flow control problem... no EXXON/EXXOFF.
He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives"
done any political violence lately?
The mentally ill (and apparently under/untreated) goes along with what
people who know him say. I have not heard he was an illegal immigrant, but both you and Jeff have said he was, which means he is not an "American conservative."
* SLMR 2.1a * Palindrome: Evil I did dwell; lewd did I live.
I agree with the church burnings, too. Some of the ones here over recent
years have been arsonists who found an easy target, or people who don't like religion, who generally are not conservative.
There was also a church shooting out west this year that I don't think had anything to do with the shooter being "conservative."
I suspect he meant to say black church burnings.
Sounds like someone who does not like religion or churches. Most
conservatives don't fall in that category.
* SLMR 2.1a * An atheist is a man with no invisible means of support.
Whether or not he is mentally ill, politicians and other people making publicly-accessible statements need to acknowledge that there are mentally ill people out there who could take their rhetoric literally. There's absolutely no need for that kind of rhetoric in our society, except to get people riled up and primed for violence.
Like using the national stage to claim that conservatives are the biggest threat to democracy?
* SLMR 2.1a * I wish life had an editable scroll-back buffer ...
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Nov 5 11:34:28 2022
You have one unsolved church bombing as the basis that conservatives never bombed churches? You failed to mention that the fire started in external shed and was carried to the church by the wind.
Nope, didn't say that.
congregations. There were burnings of black churches after Dylann Roo racist attack on a Black church in Charleston. There were Black churc
He was a white supremacist. White supremacists are almost exclusively conservative, as we've discussed before.
racist attack on a Black church in Charleston. There were Black churc burnings across the South in 1995 during a national debate over the Confederate flag. And through history, there have been many more.
Racism was determined to be the motive, and racists tend to be conservative.
I'll admit that drug-addled arsonists might be an exception to the ru and change by statement to "most" church bombings, especially those o Black churches, have been committed by conservatives.
I was never molested by anyone, but why are you so keen on Republicans molesting people? Unable to address the topic at hand, you're attempting to change the subject.
The KKK does not have the political power it once did. Historically, though, they have been responsible for quite a bit of violence and death. While they may not be as active today, other groups with simil ideologies are.
Ok, so that answers my previous question. You were molested by a klan member. Maybe those guys are a powerful force in Texas, but they ain't shit up in these parts. You should move out of Texas. You'd love the
home prices here!
No, it doesn't. It's just you trying to avoid the topic at hand again.
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 5 11:48:48 2022
Conservative Democrats even. I never said it did. I just pointed that your example counted as did several other recent ones. I am r there with you when it comes to prosecuting persons who fire-bomb d shops.
It's there if you look for it.
I'm not ignoring it. I'm just saying that it's done far more by the righ The left does not hoard weaponry and talk about overthrowing the government by extralegal and/or violent means if they don't like the cur administration.
I disagree. As we have discussed before, I have run into people who
claim that they themselves are doing so. I also could not help but
notice that many of the protesters in the Pacific NW were using
anti-riot gear. Other protesters brought along gasoline and other flamable substances. Some of them were armed. Sounds like people
looking for violence to me.
Armor is defensive. Gasoline is more of an improvised weapon. The
hoarding of firearms demostrates premeditation.
One difference that I cannot disagree with is that right-wing nut jobs tend to broadcast their intentions, & be exposed by the press, much more than left-wing nut jobs do.
You had several incidents over a couple of months, versus a repeated pattern.
The mentally ill (and apparently under/untreated) goes along with what people who know him say. I have not heard he was an illegal immigrant, but both you and Jeff have said he was, which means he is not an
"American conservative."
He was a Canadian conservative, and I'm not sure how long he has been in the US. Canadians can generally enter the US without a visa for stays of up to
180 days, so in order to be here illegally he had to have been here at least that long. From the statements he's made and his social media postings, he appears to have been well-steeped in American conservatism.
Whether or not he is mentally ill, politicians and other people making publicly-accessible statements need to acknowledge that there are mental ill people out there who could take their rhetoric literally. There's absolutely no need for that kind of rhetoric in our society, except to g people riled up and primed for violence.
That is not violent rhetoric, nor is it what was said. Biden said, "Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic."
I can see how that might be confusing, though. If you believe that all conservatives are MAGA Republicans, then it could be construed to mean that
all conservatives are a threat. Likewise, if you believe that all
conservatives represent extremism, then it could be construed to mean that
all conservatives are a threat. But neither of those are true.
From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 6 00:06:00 2022
On 11-05-22 02:55, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: "Cultural Terrorism" <=-
Rightly so. Just like how the Democrats bank on black supremacist
groups like BLM. We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbred.
The BLM movement is looking for equality, not for supremacy.
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From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Dale Shipp on Sun Nov 6 01:43:42 2022
On 06 Nov 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...
Rightly so. Just like how the Democrats bank on black supremacist groups like BLM. We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbre
"Sure, we welcome racists and white supremacists in the Republican Party, but you gotta understand, man: There are BLACK PEOPLE out there who don't like being brutalized by the police!"
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Nov 6 03:40:11 2022
White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are members of conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is made t them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. You ma personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them when to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.
If Joe takes votes from black supremacists without condemning black supremacy, why can't Trump take votes from white supremacists without condemning white supremacy?
They reduced a handicapped accessible playground to ashes in a caucasian neighborhood. That's awfully unequal.
And that is why the DNC caters to criminals.
Ok, I'll wait for your examples to become examples, then you can tell all
about them.
mentally ill is debatable. Is someone who subscribes to unsubsta conspiracy theories despite the evidence presented to them menta
The "subscriptions" in this case are belief systems. But you knew that. You're just trying to dodge the question because you don't like the answer.
You're giving more credit to the idea that he's a Fox News fan than you are to the fact that he's severely mentally ill.
No, it isn't. Biden's statement, while inaccurate, is not an example of violent rhetoric. But you knew that. You just can't find any examples of Democrats utilizing violent rhetoric.
This Biden gaffe had the potential to cost more than 5 lives (the # lost
on 1/6.) I think even you were saying "take the vaccine and you won't get covid." Because you trust the lying-leftist community. You were parroting the same BS that demented Joe was parroting. It's a sickness that your species
has (salmonella or something!)
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 6 04:00:28 2022
I agree with what you're saying about Jeff, except how do we really know "they were liberals?" They seemed pro-crime & pro-Democrat (killed 19 Americans) but we haven't asked them about their political beliefs.
The ones in the Pacific NW were pretty outwardly vocal about their beliefs. I agree that you technically don't know about the others but,
if we are using the same method of assumption as Jeff, etc., then we
have to assume they were liberals/leftists.
It's wrong for us to lower ourselves to his standards, but I know how tempting it can be.
A timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DePape, attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House, Nan Pelosi.
Jeff doesn't give examples because it goes against the philosophy of vagueness.
You've discussed that with yourself. You have an obsession with white supremacists, and a delusional idea that you know everyone's political beliefs based on their skin color.
What's your source for "racists tend to be conservative?"
Black churches, have been committed by conservatives.
Come on Jeff. Tell us about the Republican who molested you. Did he t you something like "Don't worry Jeff, I'm a senator!?" It's ok to cry
Your answers are so phony that it reminds me of the episode of Family Guy
where Lois' brother wanted to kill fat guys (he walked in on a fat guy doing stuff with his mom one day, and held an irrational grudge ever since.)
That don't make sense because I was asking you the question.
From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Nov 6 08:57:00 2022
Perhaps, but it was spread across the entire nation, and choosing to le
out most domestic terrorism is cherry-picking.
Choosing to leave ANY domestic terrorism out is cherry-picking, which is what one of us (not me) generally does.
Except that's what you've done in this case.
No I have not. I am not Mr. There-were-no-riots-oh-wait-they-posted-actual- evidence-so-now-I-have-to-admit-there-were-riots.
I also find it odd that you questioned things from "the past" in one message, and then have to dredge up examples from the past, to blanace out more recent events, in others.
Past FidoNet practices and historical violence are two very different things.
We were talking about recent times. I don't know anyone who was in favor
of the OK City bombers not being prosecuted to the full extent and being
put to death. Has someone here stated otherwise? If so, I am interested
so please point it out.
* SLMR 2.1a * Do device drivers need a chauffeur's license?
Gasoline is not improvised if you bring it with you. Bricks are not
improvised when they have been delivered to the riot site for your use.
You only need armor if you expect trouble, and you know there will be
trouble if you plan to cause it. You also are not armed, and some of them were.
Like using the national stage to claim that conservatives are the biggest
threat to democracy?
That is one quote out of a whole speach where he was not so specific in
other statements.
I can see how that might be confusing, though. If you believe that all conservatives are MAGA Republicans, then it could be construed to mean that all conservatives are a threat. Likewise, if you believe that all conservatives represent extremism, then it could be construed to mean that all conservatives are a threat. But neither of those are true.
Does it upset you when politicans claim that "muslim extremists" are a
threat, even though they qualify it with "extremists"? From past conversations, I am pretty sure it does. Same with "leftist extremists"
and "antifa extremists."
* SLMR 2.1a * In the end Gravity Wins.. Dolly Parton..
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sun Nov 6 11:28:24 2022
That's what the TV says.
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 6 16:01:15 2022
White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are member conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is m them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. Y personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.
BLM are not black supremacists.
Do you know for certain that it was BLM that did it? And even if they did,
it's not evidence of a "black supremacy" ideology.
In addition to being false, that's a total non-sequitur.
That is relatively recent, historically speaking. But we have nationa elections every two years, so you shouldn't have to wait long.
Ok, I'll wait for your examples to become examples, then you can tell all about them.
There are plenty of examples. You're just trying to narrow the criteria in an inverse form of cherry-picking.
mentally ill is debatable. Is someone who subscribes to uns conspiracy theories despite the evidence presented to them
Honestly, that is not a factor. Doctors don't ask questions abou "subscriptions."
The "subscriptions" in this case are belief systems. But you knew tha You're just trying to dodge the question because you don't like the answer.
And you're giving more credit to the supposition that he was mentally ill
than to the violent rhetoric this supposedly mentally-ill person was fed by conservatives.
No, it isn't. Biden's statement, while inaccurate, is not an example violent rhetoric. But you knew that. You just can't find any examples Democrats utilizing violent rhetoric.
This Biden gaffe had the potential to cost more than 5 lives (the # lost on 1/6.) I think even you were saying "take the vaccine and you won't get covid." Because you trust the lying-leftist community. You were
parroting the same BS that demented Joe was parroting. It's a sickness that your species has (salmonella or something!)
So now progressives are a different "species?" De-humanize your enemies much?
The vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and do offer protection from becoming infected, as well as reducing the severity of illness if one does become infected. One is far better off having been vaccinated than not.
A timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DeP attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House Pelosi.
The mentally ill (and apparently under/untreated) goes along with wha people who know him say. I have not heard he was an illegal immigran but both you and Jeff have said he was, which means he is not an "American conservative."
I have given examples; you have refused to examine them.
I've never claimed that I know everyone's political beliefs based on their
skin color (with the possible exception of orange). There are plenty of white Democrats, and I've never said there weren't.
What you're trying so hard to avoid, though, is that white supremacy is a right-wing ideology.
1. the sheer number of conservative racists, such as white supremacists
2. the definition of conservative -- blacks were traditionally oppressed more than they are today, and conservatives prefer traditional "values" such as ensuring that black people "know their place."
Come on Jeff. Tell us about the Republican who molested you. Did you something like "Don't worry Jeff, I'm a senator!?" It's ok t
I was never molested by anyone, but why are you so keen on Republican molesting people? Unable to address the topic at hand, you're attempt to change the subject.
Your answers are so phony that it reminds me of the episode of Family Guy where Lois' brother wanted to kill fat guys (he walked in on a fat guy doing stuff with his mom one day, and held an irrational grudge ever since.)
More deflection.
No, it doesn't. It's just you trying to avoid the topic at hand again
You didn't ask a question. You meandered from molestation by Klan members to housing prices.
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 6 16:23:51 2022
Choosing to leave ANY domestic terrorism out is cherry-picking, whi what one of us (not me) generally does.
You're Mr.
Both-sides-do-it-if-we-only-count-mass-violence.
I also find it odd that you questioned things from "the past" in on message, and then have to dredge up examples from the past, to blan out more recent events, in others.
Past FidoNet practices and historical violence are two very different th
We were talking about recent times. I don't know anyone who was in favor of the OK City bombers not being prosecuted to the full extent and being put to death. Has someone here stated otherwise? If so, I am interested so please point it out.
I don't know anyone who was in favor of the violent rioters not being prosesecuted (while acknowledging that their crimes didn't warrant the death penalty).
I do remember some people not agreeing with the death penalty part of
McVeigh's sentence, but they weren't advocating for no prosecution and/or no punishment at all.
You may have been talking about recent times, but I'm talking about
historical trends.
Armor is defensive. Gasoline is more of an improvised weapon. The hoarding of firearms demostrates premeditation.
Gasoline is not improvised if you bring it with you. Bricks are not improvised when they have been delivered to the riot site for your use.
Bricks were no delivered. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pallets-of-bricks-protest-sites/
They may have brought gasoline with them, or they may have simply walked to a nearby filling station, bought some, and walked back.
You only need armor if you expect trouble, and you know there will be trouble if you plan to cause it. You also are not armed, and some of
them were.
They were black and peacefully protesting police violence against black
people, an event to which police could reasonably be expected to respond. Do the math.
That is not violent rhetoric, nor is it what was said. Biden said, "Dona Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the foundations of our republic."
That is one quote out of a whole speach where he was not so specific in other statements.
At what point did he say that conservatives as a group are the biggest threat to Democracy? Specific conservatives, sure, but where did he blame all conservatives?
I can see how that might be confusing, though. If you believe that all conservatives are MAGA Republicans, then it could be construed to mean t all conservatives are a threat. Likewise, if you believe that all conservatives represent extremism, then it could be construed to mean th all conservatives are a threat. But neither of those are true.
Does it upset you when politicans claim that "muslim extremists" are a threat, even though they qualify it with "extremists"? From past conversations, I am pretty sure it does. Same with "leftist extremists" and "antifa extremists."
Nope. Extremists are extremists. I'm actually comforted when people choose to say "Muslim extremists" instead of just "Muslims" because it's a far more accurate statement and is tempered so as not to increase anti-Muslim
sentiment.
From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 7 00:42:00 2022
As far as I am concerned, your "if" phrase is vacuous. There were black supremacists groups as far back as 1966 (the black panthers) and
spliters of that group still exist -- but they do not command the
following or the attention that groups such as the oath keepers, the
proud boys or the 3%. Nor am I aware that Joe has solicited their
votes, nor that he has paid any attention to them. He certainly does
not endorse them in the way that Trump has done for the white
supremacists groups.
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Nov 7 01:09:47 2022
The KKK are not white supremacists.
They reduced a handicapped accessible playground to ashes in a caucas neighborhood. That's awfully unequal.
Do you know for certain that it was BLM that did it? And even if they
did, it's not evidence of a "black supremacy" ideology.
The playground didn't burn itself down and BLM was there when it happened. If they didn't light the match, they at least incited the violence.
There are plenty of examples. You're just trying to narrow the criteria
in an inverse form of cherry-picking.
I'm not picking anything, I asked you for examples, you provided 0, but yet
you still think it's appropriate to point a finger at me.
And you're giving more credit to the supposition that he was mentally ill than to the violent rhetoric this supposedly mentally-ill person was fed by conservatives.
Yea because mental illness is a common thing, but your conspiracy theory about "canadian tourist held hostage by white supremacists" is idiotic.
The vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and do offer protection from
becoming infected, as well as reducing the severity of illness if one
does become infected. One is far better off having been vaccinated than not.
That doesn't give Joe the right to lie about them to the American people.
The mentally ill (and apparently under/untreated) goes along wit people who know him say. I have not heard he was an illegal imm but both you and Jeff have said he was, which means he is not an "American conservative."
You gave 0 examples. Read back! You're insane!
He was a white supremacist. White supremacists are almost exclus conservative, as we've discussed before.
You've discussed that with yourself. You have an obsession with white supremacists, and a delusional idea that you know everyone's politica beliefs based on their skin color.
I've never claimed that I know everyone's political beliefs based on
their skin color (with the possible exception of orange). There are
plenty of white Democrats, and I've never said there weren't.
It's in the quote. "White supremacists are conservatives." In other words, you at least know the political beliefs of white people.
White supremacy is not a topic that normal people talk about. Is your mom's trailer park full of neo nazis like from the movie American History X?
Those aren't sources, and they are just more evidence of how insane you are.
You say this but...
You didn't ask a question. You meandered from molestation by Klan
members to housing prices.
You are the one deflecting (typical leftist tactic.) I asked this:
and you gave me an entry from the diary of a madman.
It sucks when people ask you to prove your BS, doesn't it? Wouldn't it be better if people just accepted your insane explanations of things?
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 7 08:01:34 2022
If Joe takes votes from black supremacists without condemning bl supremacy, why can't Trump take votes from white supremacists wi condemning white supremacy?
Yes, they are. You're trying so hard to "both sides" this, but thee's nothing there.
They reduced a handicapped accessible playground to ashes in a c neighborhood. That's awfully unequal.
Do you know for certain that it was BLM that did it? And even if they did, it's not evidence of a "black supremacy" ideology.
The playground didn't burn itself down and BLM was there when it
happened. If they didn't light the match, they at least incited the violence.
So, no evidence. I see. You have no evidence that they did it or that they're black supremacists.
There are plenty of examples. You're just trying to narrow the criter in an inverse form of cherry-picking.
I'm not picking anything, I asked you for examples, you provided 0, but yet you still think it's appropriate to point a finger at me.
The part you didn't quote here was you telling me that I hadn't provided
recent enough examples.
And you're giving more credit to the supposition that he was mentally than to the violent rhetoric this supposedly mentally-ill person was by conservatives.
Of course "Canadian tourist held hostage by white supremacists" is idiotic, because you made it up. I never claimed that Pelosi's attacker was held
hostage by anyone.
However, his social media posts show that he was radicalized by the American right.
The vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and do offer protection from becoming infected, as well as reducing the severity of illness if one does become infected. One is far better off having been vaccinated th not.
No, it doesn't, but trying to use that to "both sides" a vicious hammer
attack on the spouse of a prominent politician doesn't work the way you seem
to think it should.
Jeff doesn't give examples because it goes against the philosoph vagueness.
I gave the examples of lynchings and the burning of Black curches.
I've never claimed that I know everyone's political beliefs based on their skin color (with the possible exception of orange). There are plenty of white Democrats, and I've never said there weren't.
It's in the quote. "White supremacists are conservatives." In other
words, you at least know the political beliefs of white people.
Not all white people are white supremacists. Either you're unclear on the concept of "white supremacy," your math and logic skills are failing you
again, or you're just being intentionally dense.
What you're trying so hard to avoid, though, is that white supremacy right-wing ideology.
White supremacy is not a topic that normal people talk about. Is your mom's trailer park full of neo nazis like from the movie American
History X?
While you may not wish to talk about it, it is a topic that is regularly discussed in modern American politics, it is an existing threat to the
country, and the GOP welcomes it with open arms.
You clearly know nothing of my mom, and your attempts to avoid the truth by attacking me personally will go nowhere.
1. the sheer number of conservative racists, such as white supremacis 2. the definition of conservative -- blacks were traditionally oppres more than they are today, and conservatives prefer traditional "value such as ensuring that black people "know their place."
They are facts. As for sources, I suggest you check out the Southern Poverty Law Center's website.
At the particular point in the conversation that you reference, though, you were talking about molestation by klan members and housing prices.
Perhaps; I gave you your own words.
I'm sure it does. And it also sucks when I prove my piint logically, but am still asked for sources, as if the conclusion is not readily apparent.
Do you honestly not remember posting this?
If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influence of whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to
fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the same post:
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Mon Nov 7 12:15:32 2022
This is all just opinion. In your opinion, Trump "endorsed" white
supremacists. In my opinon, Joe "endorsed" black supremacists.
During the Floyd Riots of 2020 there were news reports of the Biden campaign bailing black supremacist BLM terrorists out of jail, so that's why I have this opinion. They did all that stuff to make Trump look bad and to make Biden look good, and that's why their spokesperson said "Biden, our shenanigans got you elected, so now what you gonna do for us?"
"Endorsement" is nothing. Hiring people to scare the country into voting Democrat is worse.
From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 7 21:49:16 2022
Hello Aaron,
If Joe takes votes from black supremacists without condemning
supremacy, why can't Trump take votes from white supremacists
condemning white supremacy?
I have met David Duke. In person. He was Grand Wizard of the KKK.
He was a white supremacist then, just as he is today.
And so are those who support him, and his cause.
Including your orange Jesus, Donald J. Trump.
For Life,
Make Sure Your Next Erection Is In Safe Hands
Nobody pays attention to the KKK or BLM these days. Idiots, maybe.
When we need domestic terrorism to win an election we'll call them, I guess.
You're full of it again. Social media posts aren't "radicalization."
I think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does that mean I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump & Marjorie, does that mean that I'm "radical?"
Radicalization and mental illness are 2 different conversations. "The radical left" is not a group of mentally ill people, it is a small group of highly intelligent elites combined with a much larger group of brainwashed idiots who are "fighting" for their "right" to eat foodstamp sandwiches.
Jeff doesn't give examples because it goes against the phil vagueness.
Those are not specific examples. Since you didn't give me any specific examples, I looked for my own, and I told you about them, and I explained how they (the ones I found) did not include information about poltical motivation.
Being vague and general about things is a slimy way to "win" an argument. Like if you fart in an elevator, and someone asks if you farted, you'd probably say "a bunch of conservatives farted in here before I arrived."
It's only discussed by idiots. Obama never even talked about it.
"the black church burnings" isn't an example of "political violence." You're not specific. And what is a "black church" anyway? That sounds racist!
There were some churches burned but all the information I found on Wiki show that they were a long time ago and the people who were connected to the crimes did not have any political motivation listed in their page in history.
You tried to "deflect" from your obligation to back up your BS by ignoring my request for examples. That's a lousy way to lose an argument. It's more professinal to just say "I was wrong," but leftists don't "do wrong."
If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influence of whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the same post:
Obviously they did something to you to cause your irrational trust in Democrats.
From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Nov 7 16:29:00 2022
You only need armor if you expect trouble, and you know there will be trouble if you plan to cause it. You also are not armed, and some of them were.
They were black and peacefully protesting police violence against black people, an event to which police could reasonably be expected to respond. Do the math.
The folks we are talking about who reacted not peacefully were not always black, especially in the Pacific NW. Matter of fact, if they were shown on
the news, although they were supposedly there to protest the treatment of blacks, most of the beligerent ones were not black. There did not seem to be any issues between true peaceful protesters and cops, only the ones that
showed up armed or brought other implements of destruction with them. You are trying to change the subject by playing the race card.
Nope. Extremists are extremists. I'm actually comforted when people choose to say "Muslim extremists" instead of just "Muslims" because it's a far more accurate statement and is tempered so as not to increase anti-Muslim sentiment.
Then we agree on something.
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Since we are talking this election cycle, I might be missing some but,
the ones I know about score as follows:
Attacks against Democrat politicians/supporters: 2
Attacks against Republican politicians/supporters: 3
The first one is the Pelosi incident. That guy was crazy and, per his neighbors, I am not 100% that he didn't just dislike politicians in general.
The second one happened a few months ago and was against a (D) candidate (I think) in Louisville. He was attacked by a young black male who, from what
I remember, was also mentally unstable. I don't live there and am having trouble telling the candidates apart (since neither is an incumbent) so I
could be wrong about the party on this one.
The other three include suspicious packages containing an unknown powder sent to the campaign headquarters of an (R) candidate in AZ, the attack of the (R) candidate for governor in NY and, more recently, the attack of a supporter of that same (R) candidate.
That last one happened at an event that was for Houchul (D) so maybe they
said something that started it.
* SLMR 2.1a * litterate: (adj.) Able to write, but only writes garbage.
Out of curiousity, where does that put Black conservatives/Republicans?
Some of them seem better educated and better spoken than either of us, so I suspect they know something we don't rather than the other way round.
* SLMR 2.1a * "The goal of socialism is communism." - V. Lenin
From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Mon Nov 7 16:43:00 2022
I am not sure that any of those groups command the following that you think they do. Now, commanding attention is another matter. They certainly have
the attention of our current, and most recent former, President.
* SLMR 2.1a * TAXES: your money spent for things you wouldn't buy.
Sounds like he needs to try something else, unless he enjoys bad trips.
* SLMR 2.1a * It is not who votes, but who counts them.
From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Nov 7 16:48:00 2022
During the Floyd Riots of 2020 there were news reports of the Biden campaign bailing black supremacist BLM terrorists out of jail, so that's why I have thi
The reports about bailing out protesters/rioters I heard said Harris, not Biden, but I might have missed something.
* SLMR 2.1a * Road Runner, the Coyote's after you!!!
There are churches, like the African Methodist Evangelical (AME) Church,
whose congregations are traditionally black Americans. They are not the
only ones, just the first example that springs to mind.
* SLMR 2.1a * "It's a great asset... more inflation." - Joe Biden
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Nov 7 21:15:26 2022
I saw BLM in person. They were black supremacists then, just as they are today.
Yeah, they do. And the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and the 3%.
"Stand back and stand by."
They're demonstrative of radicalization. Is English not your first language?
I think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does that mean I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump & Marjorie,
does that mean that I'm "radical?"
In what way do you think that Biden has committed treason? That alone would make you "radical."
The mentally ill can be radicalized, and the radicalized can be mentally ill. They're more intertwined than you think.
Which do you think I am? Do you think I'm a "highly intelligent elite" or a "brainwashed idiot" fighting for my right to eat "foodstamp sandwiches?" One
or the other, which is it?
Jeff doesn't give examples because it goes against the vagueness.
Those are not specific examples. Since you didn't give me any specific examples, I looked for my own, and I told you about them, and I
explained how they (the ones I found) did not include information about poltical motivation.
There are plenty for which the political/racial motivation is clear. You cherry-picked.
Being vague and general about things is a slimy way to "win" an
argument. Like if you fart in an elevator, and someone asks if you
farted, you'd probably say "a bunch of conservatives farted in here
before I arrived."
Liberals take the stairs.
While you may not wish to talk about it, it is a topic that is regula discussed in modern American politics, it is an existing threat to th
BS. Obama is one person out of 300+ million.
I'm sure it does. And it also sucks when I prove my piint logically, am still asked for sources, as if the conclusion is not readily appar
A Black church is a church with a predominantly Black congregation. And yes, the burning of Black churches has traditionally been motivated by racism.
They were racists. They wanted Black people to "know their place." They
wanted to maintain/return to a previous social order. That's conservatism.
You tried to "deflect" from your obligation to back up your BS by
ignoring my request for examples. That's a lousy way to lose an
argument. It's more professinal to just say "I was wrong," but leftists don't "do wrong."
I'm not wrong. There are plenty of lynchings and church burnings to act as examples. I'm not going to look them up for you. Stop cherry-picking and
you'll find them. You might start with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery and the mid-90s Congressional hearings on the burnings of Black churches.
If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influence whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the s post:
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Nov 7 21:23:35 2022
You only need armor if you expect trouble, and you know there will trouble if you plan to cause it. You also are not armed, and some them were.
They were black and peacefully protesting police violence against black people, an event to which police could reasonably be expected to respond the math.
The folks we are talking about who reacted not peacefully were not always black, especially in the Pacific NW. Matter of fact, if they were shown on the news, although they were supposedly there to protest the
treatment of blacks, most of the beligerent ones were not black. There did not seem to be any issues between true peaceful protesters and cops, only the ones that showed up armed or brought other implements of destruction with them. You are trying to change the subject by playing the race card.
No, I'm not. If any Black people showed up with riot gear, they could have
very well been trying to prepare for violence not of their doing. I believe that the people who became violent were taking advantage of the situation.
Nope. Extremists are extremists. I'm actually comforted when people choo say "Muslim extremists" instead of just "Muslims" because it's a far mor accurate statement and is tempered so as not to increase anti-Muslim sentiment.
The second one happened a few months ago and was against a (D) candidate (I think) in Louisville. He was attacked by a young black male who,
from what I remember, was also mentally unstable. I don't live there
and am having trouble telling the candidates apart (since neither is an incumbent) so I could be wrong about the party on this one.
The other three include suspicious packages containing an unknown powder sent to the campaign headquarters of an (R) candidate in AZ, the attack
of the (R) candidate for governor in NY and, more recently, the attack
of a supporter of that same (R) candidate.
That last one happened at an event that was for Houchul (D) so maybe they said something that started it.
There are people paying far more attention to violent incidents and the ideology of those responsible for them. See https://tinyurl.com/mryuttej
(from https://tinyurl.com/bdz468pb)
1. the sheer number of conservative racists, such as white supremacists 2. the definition of conservative -- blacks were traditionally oppressed than they are today, and conservatives prefer traditional "values" such ensuring that black people "know their place."
Out of curiousity, where does that put Black conservatives/Republicans? Some of them seem better educated and better spoken than either of us,
so I suspect they know something we don't rather than the other way
round.
I would suspect that they are more single-issue voters.
Yeah, seems like it.
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 8 00:51:37 2022
I like to pour salt on peoples' wounds sometimes. It makes them stronger.
During the Floyd Riots of 2020 there were news reports of the Biden camp bailing black supremacist BLM terrorists out of jail, so that's why I ha thi
Same here, but Kamala's campaign was ultimately Biden's campaign.
There are churches, like the African Methodist Evangelical (AME) Church, whose congregations are traditionally black Americans. They are not the only ones, just the first example that springs to mind.
I've seen them on TV, but I just don't know about any political violence against them, and neither does Jeff.
From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Nov 8 08:09:43 2022
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
This is all just opinion. In your opinion, Trump "endorsed" white supremacists. In my opinon, Joe "endorsed" black supremacists.
The Ignorant Elitists have trouble differentiating between fact and opinion. They seem to think that their opinions are facts and other people's facts are opinions.
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The KKK is something that people see in history books.
But BLM is getting lots of attention. Especially with Cancace Owen's new documentary on BLM - asking where all the money that they got went, because it certainly didn't go to the black community.
... A low yield atomic bomb is like being a bit pregnant.
I think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does that
mean I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump &
Marjorie, does that mean that I'm "radical?"
"Radical" is just another meaningless term that the Elitists slap on people hoping to smear them. Standard Elitists Tactic: If they can't win the argument, then smear the opponent.
Radicalization and mental illness are 2 different conversations. "The radical left" is not a group of mentally ill people, it is a small
group of highly intelligent elites combined with a much larger group of brainwashed idiots who are "fighting" for their "right" to eat
foodstamp sandwiches.
I dunno... That sounds kinda mentally ill to me.
... To test a man's character, give him power.
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Nov 8 07:19:02 2022
If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influenc whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the post:
Sounds like he needs to try something else, unless he enjoys bad trip
Pouring salt on imagined wounds is just a waste of salt. But I get it, you
live in a world where thing are true just because you imagine them to be
true and nothing requires evidence. I+m no psychiatrist, but that sounds like mental illness to me.
There are churches, like the African Methodist Evangelical (AME) Chur whose congregations are traditionally black Americans. They are not only ones, just the first example that springs to mind.
You clearly haven't been paying attention. I already mentioned Dylann Roof
and the church burnings that occurred in the wake of his crime.
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Tue Nov 8 07:25:36 2022
On 08 Nov 2022, Ron L. said the following...
Funny, that's exactly what Aaron is doing. BLM aren't black supremacists and Biden didn't "endorse" and black supremacists. Those are facts, not opinions. Aaron would like to believe that they're opinions, to give his own baseless opinions equal standing, but that's not how facts work.
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Nov 8 12:38:50 2022
What's so radical about his posts? Did he announce that he was interested in changing the government? Or did Joy Reid say "radical" and you're just parroting? ("Shallow and podantic." - Peter Griffin)
It wouldn't; check out the definition of the word and you'll see how wrong you are. Accusing a political figure of a crime isn't "radicalization."
Which do you think I am? Do you think I'm a "highly intelligent elite"
or a "brainwashed idiot" fighting for my right to eat "foodstamp sandwiches?" One or the other, which is it?
Food stamp sandwiches!
All I did was googled "church burnings." Wikipedia was #1 in the results. They have a collection of information on that subject, but it lacks info about political motivation of the known suspects.
But I already did enough work to win this argument. You're the guy who said "church burnings" as if that means jack.
They were racists. They wanted Black people to "know their place." They wanted to maintain/return to a previous social order. That's
conservatism.
I understand that you want that to be the truth, but it's just not documented by Wikipedia.
I'm not wrong. There are plenty of lynchings and church burnings to act
as examples. I'm not going to look them up for you. Stop cherry-picking and you'll find them. You might start with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery
and the mid-90s Congressional hearings on the burnings of Black churches.
I looked up "church burnings" myself because you didn't give any examples.
None of the examples I found contained info about political motivation.
Ahmaud Arbery's murder wasn't "political violence" either. Do you think every time a white person kills a black person, which probably isn't very often, it's "political violence?" How about when blacks kill whites? Is that "political?"
Out of curiousity, where does that put Black conservatives/Republican Some of them seem better educated and better spoken than either of us so I suspect they know something we don't rather than the other way round.
Which "single-issue" might that be? You're racism towards blacks is showing again!
You're full of it again. Social media posts aren't "radicalizati
What's so radical about his posts? Did he announce that he was
interested in changing the government? Or did Joy Reid say "radical" and you're just parroting? ("Shallow and podantic." - Peter Griffin)
We've all seen radicalized social media posts. Generally they contain misinformation and/or violent rhetoric and seek to demonize those with different views. Note that demonization is different from debunking.
It wouldn't; check out the definition of the word and you'll see how
wrong you are. Accusing a political figure of a crime isn't "radicalization."
Again, what's your evidence for the accusation of treason?
Which do you think I am? Do you think I'm a "highly intelligent elite or a "brainwashed idiot" fighting for my right to eat "foodstamp sandwiches?" One or the other, which is it?
Nope. I do not rely on foodstamps for food. Guess again.
There are plenty for which the political/racial motivation is clear. cherry-picked.
All I did was googled "church burnings." Wikipedia was #1 in the
results. They have a collection of information on that subject, but it lacks info about political motivation of the known suspects.
Wikipedia is perhaps not the best source for information on this topic.
There were plenty of well-documented church burnings during the civil rights era, and there have been plenty since. You did a Google search, picked the first result, and called it a day.
They were racists. They wanted Black people to "know their place." Th wanted to maintain/return to a previous social order. That's conservatism.
"It's just not documented by Wikipedia" sounds kinda... lame.
Also, not just churches have been attacked. Mosques have been attacked as
well as synagogues.
I'm not wrong. There are plenty of lynchings and church burnings to a as examples. I'm not going to look them up for you. Stop cherry-picki and you'll find them. You might start with the murder of Ahmaud Arber and the mid-90s Congressional hearings on the burnings of Black churc
I looked up "church burnings" myself because you didn't give any
examples. None of the examples I found contained info about political motivation.
At the very least, the 16th Street Bomning in 1963 was an example. But since you refuse to correlate racism with conservatism, you don't see racially-motivated attacks as also being politically-motivated.
Ahmaud Arbery's murder wasn't "political violence" either. Do you think every time a white person kills a black person, which probably isn't
very often, it's "political violence?" How about when blacks kill
whites? Is that "political?"
When the people doing it are white supremacists, as Arbery's killers were,
Also, George Floyd was killed by a white person and you can't claim that
didn't get political really fast. Regardless of Chauvin's intentions in
killing Floyd, the right tried every excuse in the book to blame Floyd for
his own death. That was extremely political.
Out of curiousity, where does that put Black conservatives/Repub Some of them seem better educated and better spoken than either so I suspect they know something we don't rather than the other round.
Which "single-issue" might that be?
Most likely, they believe that they will be more economically prosperous
under Republicans. Although the GOP has taken an anti-LGBTQ stance, there are LQBTQ Republicans for the same reason.
You're racism towards blacks is
showing again!
Also, *Your
From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Nov 8 15:17:00 2022
Yes, they are. You're trying so hard to "both sides" this, but thee'
nothing there.
Leftists pay attention to them.
* SLMR 2.1a * "End of quote. Repeat the line." - Biden Words of Wisdom
From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Nov 8 14:43:00 2022
Not if he actually has some proof that he did that we've not seen yet.
* SLMR 2.1a * Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn?
And touch the handrails?!? Germs!!! :)
* SLMR 2.1a * Pass the tequila, Manuel...
I've seen them on TV, but I just don't know about any political viole against them, and neither does Jeff.
You clearly haven't been paying attention. I already mentioned Dylann
Roof and the church burnings that occurred in the wake of his crime.
There you go again with "the church burnings." You still don't have any facts about any "church aronist with conservative political beliefs."
All the information about Dylann Roof explains that he's a "white supremacist." But that's not "political violence."
"The church burnings.." is BS. What about the church that burned down in "The Outsiders?" Johnny didn't mean to leave that candle burning. There was nothing political about it.
From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Nov 8 22:48:59 2022
I saw BLM in person.
David Duke was wearing full Nazi garb.
While standing on the steps of the LSU Student Union.
Giving a racist hate speech in front of students and professors.
This event was even caught on camera. I was one of the students
holding back black students from storming the steps to put an
end to Duke's racist hate speech.
They were black supremacists then, just as they are today.
There were no black supremacists in the crowd at LSU.
Pork. The One You Love.
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 8 15:03:10 2022
I think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does that I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump & Marjori does that mean that I'm "radical?"
In what way do you think that Biden has committed treason? That alone wo make you "radical."
Then he should present this proof. Until he does, his statement carries no weight.
I don't really use them.
Also, I don't have any evidence of this, but I'd think it pretty likely that
a good percentage of people push the elevator buttons with the same finger
they use to pick their nose.
What's so radical about his posts? Did he announce that he was interested in changing the government? Or did Joy Reid say "radical" you're just parroting? ("Shallow and podantic." - Peter Griffin)
I haven't seen any. What's so radical about his posts?
That's not what this thread is about (deflection attempt thwarted!)
You are the person who said "church burnings" and still have not provided any examples of one that involved "political violence." I wouldn't have googled anything had you provided an example to back up your BS.
Also, not just churches have been attacked. Mosques have been attacked as well as synagogues.
The Vaguenator strikes again! So, next time someone asks me "what's wrong?" I'll just say "mosques and synagagues."
Racial motivation & political motivation are 2 different motivators. Besides, this argument is about "violent rhetoric from conservatives causing political violence." This bombing you're talking about isn't political and there's no "conservative rhetoric" involved with it, and it happened like 60 years ago.
Ahmaud Arbery's murder wasn't "political violence" either. Do you thi every time a white person kills a black person, which probably isn't very often, it's "political violence?" How about when blacks kill whites? Is that "political?"
When the people doing it are white supremacists, as Arbery's killers
were, yes.
White supremacy isn't a political issue. You lost your argument.
Also, George Floyd was killed by a white person and you can't claim that didn't get political really fast. Regardless of Chauvin's intentions in killing Floyd, the right tried every excuse in the book to blame Floyd
for his own death. That was extremely political.
Who from "the right" is it that "tried to blame Floyd?" Are you talking about Chauvin's lawyers? Lawyers aren't from the right.
Most likely, they believe that they will be more economically prosperous under Republicans. Although the GOP has taken an anti-LGBTQ stance,
there are LQBTQ Republicans for the same reason.
Why would they think a crazy thought like that?
Jeff thinks that the Pelosi attacker was "radicalized by American conservatives," so I'm just wondering how that happened (maybe he was
kidnapped by Trump supporters and forced to listen to Trump rhetoric?)
I've seen them on TV, but I just don't know about any political against them, and neither does Jeff.
You clearly haven't been paying attention. I already mentioned Dylann Roof and the church burnings that occurred in the wake of his crime.
It is when the oppression of non-whites is a political goal.
"Church burnings" implies arson.
I think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump & Ma does that mean that I'm "radical?"
In what way do you think that Biden has committed treason? That alo make you "radical."
Not if he actually has some proof that he did that we've not seen yet
Then he should present this proof. Until he does, his statement carries
Look at the Great Deflector at work! What I said about Biden committing
treason was just an example of someone doing something that you might consider "radical." It's not the topic! The topic is something you've been trying to deflect for several days now!
From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Nov 9 02:20:33 2022
Sure thing Jeff. But where's that documented?
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 9 08:21:29 2022
What's so radical about his posts? Did he announce that he was interested in changing the government? Or did Joy Reid say "radi you're just parroting? ("Shallow and podantic." - Peter Griffin)
We've all seen radicalized social media posts. Generally they contain misinformation and/or violent rhetoric and seek to demonize those wit different views. Note that demonization is different from debunking.
I just told you.
You made that claim in this thread.
Also, not just churches have been attacked. Mosques have been attacke well as synagogues.
At the very least, the 16th Street Bomning in 1963 was an example. Bu since you refuse to correlate racism with conservatism, you don't see racially-motivated attacks as also being politically-motivated.
Racial motivation & political motivation are 2 different motivators. Besides, this argument is about "violent rhetoric from conservatives causing political violence." This bombing you're talking about isn't political and there's no "conservative rhetoric" involved with it, and
it happened like 60 years ago.
Racist attempts to keep people from obtaining equal rights are most
definitely political.
Ahmaud Arbery's murder wasn't "political violence" either. Do yo every time a white person kills a black person, which probably i very often, it's "political violence?" How about when blacks kil whites? Is that "political?"
When the people doing it are white supremacists, as Arbery's killers were, yes.
Absolutely it is a political issue.
Most likely, they believe that they will be more economically prosper under Republicans. Although the GOP has taken an anti-LGBTQ stance, there are LQBTQ Republicans for the same reason.
Because that's one of the lies that the GOP pushes.
All the information about Dylann Roof explains that he's a "whit supremacist." But that's not "political violence."
Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people. In the attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the insistence that
BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.
Racial motivation & political motivation are 2 different motivators.
In November 2008, a black church in Springfield, Massachussetts was burned
down a few hours after Obama was declared the winner of the 2008 election.
One of the three men arrested for the arson told investigators that he set
the fire because he was angered by the prospect of a black president.
What's so radical about his posts? Did he announce that he interested in changing the government? Or did Joy Reid say you're just parroting? ("Shallow and podantic." - Peter Gri
We've all seen radicalized social media posts. Generally they co misinformation and/or violent rhetoric and seek to demonize thos different views. Note that demonization is different from debunk
No, you didn't. You've avoided the question for several days. This
conversation has been killed by vagueness and weasel words.
Yea but you didn't answer the original question, because you opportunistically found more interest in proving wrong a hypothetical scenario.
We've all seen radicalized social media posts. Generally th misinformation and/or violent rhetoric and seek to demonize different views. Note that demonization is different from d
No, you didn't. You've avoided the question for several days. This conversation has been killed by vagueness and weasel words.
It's right up there, man, If you can't see it, it's not my problem.
From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Nov 9 16:24:00 2022
Also, I don't have any evidence of this, but I'd think it pretty likely that a good percentage of people push the elevator buttons with the same finger they use to pick their nose.
I can get around touching buttons without protection, and do. Back when I
only worked a few floors up, I could also get around not using the
handrails in the stairs on the way down. Once they moved us twice as many floors upward where, for some reason, the staircases are steeper, not so
Most likely, they believe that they will be more economically prospe
The statement (mine) that lead to your "single-issue" comment was that
there are Black conservatives/Republicans who seem better educated than you
or I, and I asked why you thought that was.
So, now you are saying that they are not smart enough to see through such a "lie"?
I personally don't agree that they are single-issue voters. Being well educated and intelligent, I am guessing they are far from it.
* SLMR 2.1a * "Did you open the Microwave door before the 'ding'"?
Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people. In the attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the insistence that BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.
They don't limit voting in urban areas any more than they do any other
areas. What generally happens is that the urban areas want more
opportunites than other areas get. Why should they be allowed more?
* SLMR 2.1a * Politically incorrect...and proud of it!!!
Racist attempts to keep people from obtaining equal rights are most definitely political.
Ahmaud Arbery's killers weren't trying to prevent Arbery from obtaining equal rights. Plus Arbery wasn't a politician. A bombing that occurred more than 80 years ago isn't evidence of conservatives with violent rhetoric, unless it was John F Kennedy's church.
All the information about Dylann Roof explains that he's a supremacist." But that's not "political violence."
Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people. In the attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the
insistence that BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.
No, that is not "documented," because we're talking about "Dylann Roof." How do you know that anyone in that church was a Democrat voter?
In November 2008, a black church in Springfield, Massachussetts was
burned down a few hours after Obama was declared the winner of the 2008 election. One of the three men arrested for the arson told investigators that he set the fire because he was angered by the prospect of a black president.
You still don't get the point: That's not political violence. There was no intent nor attempt to achieve any political goal; it was a racially motivated attack on an empty building. Do you think that sent a message to Washington DC?
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 9 17:04:05 2022
Also, I don't have any evidence of this, but I'd think it pretty likely a good percentage of people push the elevator buttons with the same fing they use to pick their nose.
I can get around touching buttons without protection, and do. Back when
I only worked a few floors up, I could also get around not using the handrails in the stairs on the way down. Once they moved us twice as
many floors upward where, for some reason, the staircases are steeper,
They moved us down a couple of floors once. I'm guessing that the plumbing
was in columns because every floor had the break room and the bathrooms in
the same relative place, like they were stacked. For some reason, however,
the restroom designations on the new floor were opposite what they were on
the old floor. So for anyone in the habit of going to a certain place to use the restroom, this was somewhat problematic.
The statement (mine) that lead to your "single-issue" comment was that there are Black conservatives/Republicans who seem better educated than you or I, and I asked why you thought that was.
So, now you are saying that they are not smart enough to see through
such a "lie"?
Anyone can be duped. There are very smart people that believe that "trickle-down" economics works for everyone, despite the wage (and wealth)
gap that's been expanding since Reagan introduced "voodoo economics."
Or, perhaps they are wealthy and realize how much supply-side economics will help them -- at the expense of almost everyone else.
Anyone can be duped.
Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people. In attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the insistence th BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.
They don't limit voting in urban areas any more than they do any other areas.
In Texas, only one drop box is allowed per county, regardless of whether that county contains 500 farmers or the city of Houston.
What generally happens is that the urban areas want more
Because they are much, much more densely populated.
Ahmaud Arbery's killers weren't trying to prevent Arbery from obtaining equal rights.
The right to life is a pretty important one.
Plus Arbery wasn't a politician.
There's no rule that politically-motivated crimes have to target politicians.
A bombing that occurred
more than 80 years ago isn't evidence of conservatives with violent rhetoric,
It is, however, political violence. And the bombing was 59 years ago.
unless it was John F Kennedy's church.
Again, there is nothing that says that politically-motivated violence must target politicians.
All the information about Dylann Roof explains that he supremacist." But that's not "political violence."
It is when the oppression of non-whites is a political goal
Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people. the attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the insistence that BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.
No, that is not "documented," because we're talking about "Dylann Roof."
Dylann Roof's racism was well-documented, mostly by himself.
How do you know that anyone in that church was a Democrat voter?
I don't. But they were black. Pictures of Roof show him wearing a jacket with the Rhodesian and South African flags on them. What do Rhodesia and South Africa have in common? historical political subjugation of black people is
what they have in common.
In November 2008, a black church in Springfield, Massachussetts was burned down a few hours after Obama was declared the winner of the 20 election. One of the three men arrested for the arson told investigat that he set the fire because he was angered by the prospect of a blac president.
You still don't get the point: That's not political violence. There was
no intent nor attempt to achieve any political goal; it was a racially motivated attack on an empty building. Do you think that sent a message
to Washington DC?
It was politically-motivated. It was motivated by politics.
Again, there is nothing that says that politically-motivated violence
must target politicians.
You don't have any facts that prove these to be politically motivated crimes.
I don't. But they were black. Pictures of Roof show him wearing a jacket with the Rhodesian and South African flags on them. What do Rhodesia and South Africa have in common? historical political subjugation of black people is what they have in common.
Wearing a jacket with some flags on it is not a form of political violence.
The church in question was a key civil rights meeting place. The civil rights movement was political. The KKK opposed civil rights changes. The bombers
were members of the KKK.
I don't. But they were black. Pictures of Roof show him wearing a jac with the Rhodesian and South African flags on them. What do Rhodesia South Africa have in common? historical political subjugation of blac people is what they have in common.
No, of course it's not. But combined with the subsequent mass murder of 9
black Americans in their church, it does provide some indication of the
motive of the crime.
You'd make a horrible detective. "Well, yes, multiple people report that the suspect accused the victim of being a "reptilian monster" before he shot him, but further investigation has found that none of those witnesses are police academy graduates, so their testimony can't possibly be trusted. We've also determined that the victim was not, in fact, a "reptilian monster," so that couldn't possibly have been the motivation. Furthermore, calling someone a "reptilian monster" isn't a crime."
Whatever you say, Joe Friday.
From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Nov 10 16:49:00 2022
They moved us down a couple of floors once. I'm guessing that the plumbing was in columns because every floor had the break room and the bathrooms in the same relative place, like they were stacked. For some reason, however, the restroom designations on the new floor were opposite what they were on the old floor. So for anyone in the habit of going to a certain place to use the restroom, this was somewhat problematic.
That sounds familar. Our first floor, and the (smaller) top floor, are set
up different, but all the others are the same. Oddly, the basement
(underneath the first floor) is pretty much the same as all the others, too.
* SLMR 2.1a * "Tryin' is the first step towards failure." - Homer
Anyone can be duped. There are very smart people that believe that "trickle-down" economics works for everyone, despite the wage (and wealth) gap that's been expanding since Reagan introduced "voodoo economics."
The single-issue lie you mentioned is a pretty long-lived one. I don't
think these well-educated people would stay duped that long.
* SLMR 2.1a * A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man. -J.Springfield
That might sound bad until one examines a county map of Texas. Most
counties are near the same size, so the fact that there is only one per county does not put any undue travel requirements on a person in an urban county
vs. a rural one.
Now, if you were to point out that some of the counties in the rural western and southern parts of the state are much larger and it puts an undue travel requirement on rural persons in those counties, I could not argue against that. But those were not the people you seem concerned about.
As long as they are in line at closing time, they should get counted. They don't need special treatment. "But they have jobs!" So do rural people.
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From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Nov 10 17:19:00 2022
Ahmaud Arbery's killers weren't trying to prevent Arbery from obtaining equal rights. Plus Arbery wasn't a politician. A bombing that occurred more than 80 years ago isn't evidence of conservatives with violent rhetoric, unless it was
John F Kennedy's church.
In the 1950's/60's, there were some non-conservatives that also got in
trouble for bombing things, and also for attacking Congress. Look through
the list of Carter's, Clinton's and Obama's pardons and you will find some of the perpetrators.
* SLMR 2.1a * A nudist wedding makes the best man easy to identify.
In this case, it was quite likely racially motivated. I don't see any political motivation, unless we are going to go to the point where all
violent acts are politically motivated.
* SLMR 2.1a * Usually a man with flowers has deflowering in mind...
All the information about Dylann Roof explains that h
supremacist." But that's not "political violence."
It is when the oppression of non-whites is a political goa
Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people.
the attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the insistence that BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.
I am going to have to agree with Jeff here.
* SLMR 2.1a * You radiate cold shafts of broken glass!
From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 10 19:46:17 2022
The statement (mine) that lead to your "single-issue" comment was t there are Black conservatives/Republicans who seem better educated you or I, and I asked why you thought that was.
So, now you are saying that they are not smart enough to see throug such a "lie"?
Anyone can be duped. There are very smart people that believe that "trickle-down" economics works for everyone, despite the wage (and wealt gap that's been expanding since Reagan introduced "voodoo economics."
The single-issue lie you mentioned is a pretty long-lived one. I don't think these well-educated people would stay duped that long.
The idea of "trickle-down" economics has survived this long despite zero evidence of it helping the middle class, so *somebody* must be buying into it.
In Texas, only one drop box is allowed per county, regardless of whether county contains 500 farmers or the city of Houston.
That might sound bad until one examines a county map of Texas. Most counties are near the same size, so the fact that there is only one per county does not put any undue travel requirements on a person in an
urban county vs. a rural one.
Travel distance is not the only parameter to consider. Traffic at the site should also be considered. Only one person can use the single drop box at a time.
They would not face near the congestion at that drop box that urban voters would. In rural Texas counties, the county seat is much more important than
in urban Texas counties. One-stoplight towns don't tend to have their own tax offices, courthouse, etc., but rely on the county seat to fulfill that need. The towns that are the county seats often are not that big themselves and so only have one tax office, one courthouse, etc. This seems to work well for them.
In contrast, large ubran cities often have more than one county tax office (usually a main one and some branches) and more than one courthouse, because that's what's needed to serve the community. And that seems to work well for them.
There's no rule that politically-motivated crimes have to target politic
In this case, it was quite likely racially motivated. I don't see any political motivation, unless we are going to go to the point where all violent acts are politically motivated.
It was racially-motivated violence intended to send a message.
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