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I don't know enough about Peterson to say how well this applies to our refutes his arguments, but IMO this is a very succinct and accurate summation of our current state.
Heh nice avatar. I may have shown my hand too early.
Originally Posted by pensive_pilgrim
How you do you come up with this dollar amount for "social value"?
What is the evidence that "white men are the only ones in society who still believe in natural hierarchy"? That sounds like racist nonsense.
From research papers that I can dig out if you like, but I kinda don't see how could it be otherwise. Advertising is aimed at creating irrational, uninformed consumers, lobbying consists in corporations bidding for public goods at discount prices, and unregulated financial capital eats the real capital it speculates on. The best paper I saw estimated that advertising destroys $15 for each dollar earned while finance was only 7 or 9 or something, but people in finance must make ten times what people in advertising do, so it's more damage overall.
Well, I guess it's more about believing in the meritocracy than in natural hierarchy, which is a separate issue. Whether virtuous people have the most social capital is a different question from the degree to which our systems are meritocratic, efficient or arbitrary. Without getting into identity politics too much, we can just say that many people believe in the meritocracy while expecting to derive a lot of their meaning or status from their work or income, and now in the US, the average gen xer has no retirement funds, 1/3 millennials live in poverty, and the average household savings are something like 200k while median household savings are 7k (down 2k in the last year), so the future looks rough, and doubling down on the meritocratic ideology is probably not the right move. Pairing this ideology with an 'embrace your suffering' ethos seems more than a little puritanical. And even Aristotle noticed back in the day that democracy and stark inequality aren't compatible and all that.
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Originally Posted by Jaredson
How is the dollar amount for "social value" calculated? I don't need a research paper, just an idea of how one would estimate that number.
I was specifically questioning your point about race. You said:
Are white men miserable? Yeah, sure, they're the only ones in society who still believe in natural hierarchy, and that's why deaths of despair are at record levels for them. The average life expectancy is actually dropping for the first time in hundreds of years because of it. Minority men know the deal, that the game is rigged, so they're not all on the edge of an oxy addiction or suicide, unlike blue-collar whites who feel the need to seppuku it up as soon as they besmirch their honour by failing the Reaganite social contract.
That sounds like racist garbage.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and surmise that he didn't mean it in a deterministic, certain way but rather in a population-descriptive sort of way, ie White males in the United States are disproportionately inclined to commit suicide.
And I think it is because of despair. Not just white males but the afflictions of the white working class in general. For a couple of generations in the twentieth century it seemed like they were actually getting somewhere with nothing but hard work, honesty, and gumption, and then they had the rug pulled out from underneath them. The relatively lower classes didn't have those expectations of increasing - or at least not sinking - quality of life to begin with.
Too bad, Lady Une. You were far too lenient.
As a soldier, yes. But as a civilian I lived an austere life.
Yesterday, 09:43 PM #364
It's not about race, it's about urban vs rural culture. Rural counties have consistently much higher suicide rates than metro areas. Rural areas are also whiter. And yes, more conservative. And I think they would tend to have higher rates regardless because a lot of suicides are connected to social isolation. Rural communities have been suffering in many places, with their social institutions (in the USA traditionally mostly having been churches) sharply declining in the last couple decades, and without really anything to replace that. People will talk about mental health treatment but it's a cultural problem with our whole society.
Today, 12:44 AM #365
So there's a strong correlation between how red a state is and its number of suicides? The correlation between levels of mental illness by state and number of suicides are much, much weaker. Suicide is highest in middle-aged white men and is linked to unemployment and the owning of a handgun. What's going to stop someone in their 30s, 40s or 50s going to church? Feeling disgraced and disenfranchised is the only thing I can think of. The isolation-population density theory doesn't explain the increasing rates, only the state differences. And those explanations don't explain why college suicides have doubled. People who believe in the meritocracy are those most at risk. The ROI on a degree is terrible except for a select few, because the career paths just aren't there anymore; you have a 50% chance on graduation of working a job you don't need a degree for, and it's been that way for a while. You might go up the ladder faster because of the degree but that won't offset the exorbitant university prices and loans of the last few decades. The only big industries that are growing, aren't going to automated soon, and generally require a degree, are nursing, software and product development, and analytics. The jobs that have been automated away in mining, retail, and agriculture are never coming back to the midwest, and these industries were the biggest employers alongside the government. The HCA profession is exploding because of the ageing population, but it's not the isolated elderly who are committing suicide, it's the people the market is trying to pressure to become their carers who are. The neoliberal solutions to these problems are a 100% land value tax, a carbon dividend, and UBI. The neoliberal ideology is built on myths and lies, though, and it's never aimed at creating a functioning or efficient society, so these profitable, efficient bandaids for this international scam might not become politically viable even after the decay has finished off these few societies that between the 40s and 90s didn't have anything like third-world levels of inequality. You can't keep increasing your extraction from your citizen's assets forever, they don't have infinite capital, and we're still only at the point where the paycheck-to-paycheck median citizen can't afford an unexpected $300 expense. When they can no longer afford a $100 expense just as automation begins really taking hold and perhaps the next recession hits, things will really get interesting.
The megachurches and their prosperity gospel are really doing quite well in rural areas. The unquestioned beliefs you need to have regarding our system in order to believe in the prosperity gospel are easy to extrapolate. Amazon has replaced a massive percentage of retail already, operating tax free and treating its general employees impressively poorly. Uber is doing alright by some measurements and it is a ponzi scheme, using investor money to subsidize the cost of the journey for the consumer to beat out the competition, while offsetting all overheads onto its employees.
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Kim Kardashian Celebrates Son Saint's 7th Birthday With Party At LA Rams Game: Photos
Kim Kardashian celebrated Saint's milestone 7th birthday with a lavish party at the LA Rams game on Sunday, and Kanye was nowhere to be found.
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Kim Kardashian, 42, isn't known for doing things quietly. So when it came time to celebrate Saint West's 7th birthday, she had something special planned — a trip to an LA Rams game for everyone! The SKIMS beauty took to Instagram with a pic on the field and a sweet tribute to her son. "Happy 7th Birthday to my baby boy," she wrote alongside a snap of her arms wrapped around her second child as he held a football. "I love you so so so much! I love seeing you grow into the kindest soul ever. Mommy loves you forever and ever!" Kim looked particularly stunning in her new honey blond hair color and a pair of shades, while Saint wore sweats and a jersey.
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Perhaps even better, the Rams and the NFL also took to Instagram to share a joint post of Saint's favorite player Jalen Ramsey meeting the thrilled second grader and his guests for some pics and football autographs. Saint proudly wore a #5 jersey in honor of the NFL great and has been seen doing so multiple times in the past.
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Plenty of Kim's 334 million followers on the platform poured into the comments thread to congratulate the aspiring young athlete and comment on his rapid growth. "The sweetest boy in all the land," commented Saint's aunt Khloe Kardashian, 38. "When did he get so big????" wrote a follower, while another remarked, "ONE THING ABOUT KIM SHE ALWAYS GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR EACH BIRTHDAY" alongside several star emojis. "Awe this looks like such a fun party," reacted a third.
It's worth noting that Kim's embattled ex-husband, Kanye West, with whom she finalized her divorce last week, did not appear to be at the party — despite a clause stating that he was allowed to celebrate with the family if everyone agreed. "The parties both shall have access to the Minor Children on special days like birthdays and, if they should both choose, they can celebrate together," the documents obtained by HollywoodLife stipulated.
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Still, birthdays have previously been a source of contention between the duo, who also share North, 9, Chicago, 4, and Psalm, 3. Ye seemingly picked a fight with the Kardashian clan back in January, accusing them of not "allowing" him to know where Chicago's 4th birthday party was. However, he was later seen chatting up former mother-in-law Kris Jenner, 67, at the party in a video posted to Travis Barker's stepdaughter Atiana De La Hoya's Instagram stories.
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I have a tip for saving money on ACV with the Mother in it!
I see an Acupuncturist and Natural Therapeutic Specialist and he made this suggestion.
He said if you buy a small bottle of the organic ACV (Bragg) with the mother and a big bottle of store brand ACV you can add an ounce of the organic with the mother to the brand without the mother and the mother will grow and multiply.
Doing this will help keep costs down by saving the organic and using the store brand.
I wanted to pass along this suggestion for those who are on a really tight budget.
Thanks so much for taking the time to pass on this idea of how to make your organic apple cider vinegar stretch farther, saving money for the user.
I hadn't really thought about it before, but it does make sense that the live organisms from the mother in the organic apple cider vinegar would continue to grow in the typical filtered ACV.
In most parts of the US, Bragg is pretty inexpensive, so I always just go for the fully organic ACV. Here in Australia, it is much more pricey (imported!), so it's more of a stretch, but still do-able for the amount you actually use.
Nevertheless, I do know that many people are truly struggling financially and even a couple of dollars can make a difference in regards to whether or not they can afford to avail themselves of the wonderful benefits of using apple cider vinegar for health and/or detox purposes.
My verdict is: If you can afford the couple of extra dollars to buy the Bragg organic apple cider vinegar, go for that as your number one choice. You'll only be using at most a few tablespoons per day, so that will last a good while.
If you just can't stretch to the expense, do as Barb has cleverly suggested and get a bottle of the organic ACV with the mother in it (like Bragg) and use it to "feed" the pasteurized and filtered bottles of clear apple cider vinegar that you can buy at your grocery store.
Either way, adding some ACV with the mother in it to your daily routine is sure to help improve your overall health and well being.
Thanks again, Barb, for your great suggestion!


Sopore :- After remaining under house detention for almost a decade Hurriyat patriarch Syed Ali Geelani was today let move towards Sopore to visit his daughter whose husband died two days back in Srinagar hospital.
Hurriyat sources said that Geelani left at around 1 pm from his Hyderpora residence and will be visiting her daughter. Geelani's son-in-law Ghulam Hassan Makhdoomi died in SKIMS on Tuesday night, but he could not attend the funeral prayers owing to ailing health and bad weather conditions, hurriyat sources said.


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Regehr says he's 'ready to go' for Game 1
By Cam TuckerJun 3, 2014, 9:22 PM EDT
Robyn Regehr hasn't played a hockey game in a full month due to a knee injury. But he's hoping to get back into the L.A. Kings lineup against the New York Rangers for the Stanley Cup Final, which gets underway Wednesday.
Regehr, out with a knee injury, was listed by head coach Darryl Sutter as "doubtful" for Game 7 of the Western Conference Final against Chicago, but did end up taking the warm-up. He only resumed skating late last month.
It appears once again, the decision will be up to Sutter to see if the 34-year-old Regehr makes it back into game action – a point the veteran rugged defenseman acknowledged.
"I think it's going to be a coach's decision. I think that I've been working hard at getting back to feeling like I can be ready to roll," Regehr told reporters.
"At this point it's whatever Darryl would like me to be. If he feels he would like me in the lineup I feel like I'm ready to go. If he wants to stay with the same lineup that was successful in game 7 against Chicago I totally understand that too."
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Starting the new year with a post on my road trip through Madhya Pradesh, India. Madhya Pradesh is geographically in the middle of India. It's a state that boasts of hills, rivers, national parks and an overload of heritage. The land known for providing the basis of Kama Sutra, Madhya Pradesh is a lot more. Come join me as I narrate the entire journey from Greater Noida (situated on the border of Delhi and Uttar Pradesh) through 5 locations in Madhya Pradesh.
I will try and do a summary post listing down the route, condition of the roads and the total toll you need to give at each place. All this information is in the narrative as well; seat belts on, let's zip ahead!
Throughout our road trip Google maps helped us navigate our route to avoid traffic and also led us unto unknown roads and dead ends at times. Most of our hotel bookings were done en-route. The trip was through Gwalior, Orchha, Bedhaghat (Jabalpur), Bandhavgarh and Khajuraho.
We started from Greater Noida around 8:20 am and took the Yamuna Agra Expressway.
If you are coming from Delhi you need to take the Greater Noida expressway and then head onto the Yamuna Expressway to go towards Agra. There is a toll of Rs 415 upto Agra. Make sure you keep the toll ticket because you will be required to show it once more on the expressway towards the end. We stopped for using the restrooms at a place right before the exit for Vrindavan. You can stop here for food and coffee. It's a nicely maintained place and you won't find anything else this clean for a long time ahead so do make sure you use the restrooms here rather than waiting for later. There is no toilet paper here so make sure you carry your own. We entered Agra around 10:15 am and there another toll of Rs 35 as you enter the city.
On the Taj inner ring road you can spot the Taj Mahal behind the houses on your right about 500 meters before the Taj Crossing. It will only be a glimpse so don't worry if you miss it.
We then took NH44 from Agra to Gwalior. It is a double lane road with slow moving vehicles. After Taj City Crossing Google took us on a very narrow lane through a local residential area (might have saved us some time) but you can follow the Mall Road onto NH44.
Another toll of Rs 70 at toll plaza Sayina on NH44 about 86Km before Gwalior.
Near Dholpur you will cross a bridge called the Chambal bridge, there are old fort ruins on your left and a river flowing below the bridge worth looking at as you drive by.
From Agra to Gwalior there are no proper restaurants or dhabbas where you can stop for food tea or restrooms - make sure you are carrying essential food and drinks with you. I enjoyed fox nuts and chocolates. We had a whole bag full of eatables, Minute Maid Pulpy Orange drink bottles, water and apples.
Morena is another crowded area you will cross enroute to Gwalior. There is another toll of Rs 60 after Morena (30KM before Gwalior) The road after this toll is better with less traffic. You can spot Mustard fields on both sides of the road with beautiful yellow flowers blooming.
We spotted the Shubhim Highway Treat 17 km before Gwalior, made a pit stop for using the restrooms. 2 mins after this Google took us onto the Mumbai Agra highway instead of continuing on NH44. The Mumbai Agra highway is a narrow road which is bumpy and has quite a few potholes.
Later we came onto the Gwalior Road - Gwalior road to Jail road towards DDCity mall in Gwalior (right next to our hotel) is an extremely crowded area. The roads here are one-way roads mostly. The mall itself is pretty sad if you compare it with Delhi but a place where you will find Pizza Hut and Mc'Donalds along with the standard food court with Indian and Chinese options. It was 25th December but the weather was extremely sunny and hot.
We stayed at Clarks Inn which looked really nice from the reception area. The parking in-front of the hotel is limited since it is located right on the road but valet parking is available. The rooms were decent but nothing spectacular. Our booking was last minute and this was the best value option out of the remaining places. We knew we would just need a place to sleep at night and did not plan on spending any time at the hotel so something basic was fine. After resting for half an hour we headed straight out for food before starting our tour of the Gwalior city.
At 2:20 pm we came to Jaivilas Palace Museum - google took us to the gate which is closed and parking is around the other side so make sure to ask for directions. Jaivilas Palace was constructed by Maharaja Jayaji Rao Scindia in 1874 with a total area of 12,40,771 square feet. It is 100 feet long, 50 feet wide and 41 feet in height. At the museum you need to pay for your ticket Rs 120 per person and they charge Rs 100 for mobile phones and Rs 150 for video cameras. We spoke to the guy at the counter and told him we won't be using our mobiles inside, he told us we can just pay for the camera and take everything inside. So we paid Rs 150 and took our mobile phones and the DSLR on that ticket. Bags are not allowed inside so leave them back in your car. Ladies are allowed to carry a purse but they will seal it up with plastic ribbons so that you can't open the purse if required. In case you have any special medication please talk to the person at the ticket counter. We found people were generally helpful everywhere throughout MP.
We spent around 2 hours at the Jaivilas Museum - there were so many artifacts on display with stories about them for you to read. What caught my eye was the uniquely shaped turban that the royalty of the palace used to wear. The turban art is dying and there is now only one person alive who knows how to tie this turban. He is old and none of his children want to carry his lineage forward since this is a very low paying job. I was surprised why they hadn't turned this into a tourist affair where the person could allow people to click pictures with his turban and charge money for it!
Another item that you must go see is housed in the Durbar Hall. It's a pair of two huge crystal chandeliers - 3.5 ton each! The Darbar Hall is room in which they are exhibited has a ceiling and furnishings with gold amounting to a total 560 kg gold motifs.
I'm not a museum kind of person but I actually enjoyed going through this place.
There was a small tea-snack shop right outside the palace where we got tea just like homemade tea!
After this we headed to the Urvai gate of the Gwalior Fort. Gwalior Fort is situated on a hill and as you drive in from the Urvai gate you will notice huge Jain Statues on both sides. On your right a little onwards you will notice a 58 foot statue of Lord Adinatha. When we reached the top of the fort we parked our car in the parking lot and walked to the ticket counter. It was 5:15 - everything inside closes at 5 (Man Singh Palace, Teli Ka Mandir, Sas Bahu Mandir) but there is a sound and light show with two time slots - a show in Hindi at 6:30, English at 7:30. You can buy the ticket and attend any one show that you like. After getting our ticket (I think it was for Rs 120 per person) we had time to explore the place. We walked down towards the Chaturbhuj temple which is a small Vishnu temple inside the fort - I was very excited to visit this because it is said to have the first proof that the number 0 was discovered in India. A small epitaph inside has inscriptions within which lies the 0.
Next day we woke up early and came back to the fort around 7 to see the sun rise. We got tickets for the 3 places inside the fort (Rs 15 per person for all three places). This ticket office is located well inside the fort (a little farther down from the place which sells the tickets for the light and sound show). Our first halt was Man Singh Palace which is right opposite the ticket counter. The palace is bare and basically a ruin of what might have once been a beautiful living space befitting a maharaja. You can spend around 10 mins here as there is nothing much to do.
From here we came back to the car parking and drove down to the Gurudwara Data Bandi inside the fort (in the sound & light show you can learn about the story of Guru Hargobind who was imprisoned within the fort) From here we drove to the Sas Bahu temple which is now almost in ruins but the structure stands tall and looks magnificent. You will notice that the Mughals have destroyed the images such that their heads have been broken off. I noticed this throughout the place.
Right opposite the Gurudwara on the Scindia road is the Teli Ka Mandir - a small mandir which has a beautiful architecture.
As you exit the fort towards Urvahi gate you will again see the huge engraving of Adinath in the rocks along with more such engravings on the right. We stopped here this time to take a few pictures, you are not allowed to click a picture of yourself with the sculptures, a guard is posted here to make sure you follow this rule. This is called the Gopalcha rock. Another site marked as Gopalcha can be found a few metres ahead of Clarks Inn, this is the place of the Jain temple.
Around 9 am we arrived back at our hotel for breakfast. After showering and packing we left for Orchha.
The story towards Orchha continues in the next post!
What an incredible trip! I hope I'll be able to visit one day.
I hope you do get to visit someday!
OMG, I have never been to India but I have always wanted to visit some day. My friend is going to India for a month at the end of January as part of her sabbatical. She is an art professor, and lately she has become a fabric artist, and she makes dyes. She chose India to learn dying techniques. I don't know if she's going to Gwalior, but I will tell her about your photos - the temples are stunningly beautiful!
Wow! You saw some stunning sights!
India is definitely on my list.
What beautiful architecture! This looks amazing!
Wait till you see the post on Khajuraho, my last stop!
I absolutely love looking at the architecture of a place and you've shared some amazing ones. It's also so sad to be about the turban tying gentleman! These amazing arts are dying out!
Wow sounds like an incredible trip!
it sure was, 8 days in all!
What a neat adventure with so many great things to see!
What a fun road trip! I would love to visit those places some day.
I love your travel posts, I get to learn about so many new places! I'm an American and I would love to see India.
This sounds like it was an amazing trip and the photos are gorgeous!
Wow, I can't even imagine being there and seeing so many ancient relics. It sounds amazing!
Excellent and very useful blog. Love to see more blogs of other famous Indian tourist attractions. Khajuraho is very famous since the tourism started in India. It is famous for its beautiful sculptures depicting celestial beauties in several postures... Khajuraho. I really like this interesting post.
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In the aftermath of Florida's Round of 32 finish, two players have opted to transfer from the Florida basketball program.
In the span of 30 minutes Tuesday, Gators forward Keith Stone and guard Mike Okauru announced intentions to transfer from Florida.
The 6-foot-8 Stone will depart the program next month as a graduate transfer, a source confirmed to The Gainesville Sun.
"Keith has been a part of three NCAA Tournament teams and a lot of wins," UF coach Mike White said in a statement. "He has represented the Florida program the right way, and we wish him nothing but the best."
As a redshirt junior, Stone started 13 games for the Gators this season before suffering a torn ACL in Florida's 62-52 victory at Georgia in January. Stone, a former four-star prospect by ESPN, moved into the starting line-up during the 2017-18 season and subsequently averaged 8.8 points and 4.3 rebounds per game in 26 starts.
Not long after Stone announced his intentions, Okauru, a sophomore, announced his decision to transfer. The UF program later confirmed Okauru's departure.
"Thankful for the teammates I had at Florida and the Rowdies who supported," Okauru said on his Twitter account, "but I've decided to transfer and purse other options."
The 6-foot-3 Okauru arrived in Gainesville by way of Raleigh, North Carolina, and shot 40.4 percent from the 3-point range as a freshman. But Okauru's minutes dwindled in his sophomore campaign with the emergence of freshman point guard Andrew Nembhard, and he would finish the season shooting just 25 percent from beyond the arc.
With the departures of Okauru and Stone, the list of Gators expected to return next season stands at just seven. White's Top-10 recruiting class (guard Tre Mann, wing Scottie Lewis and forward Omar Payne) is expected to arrive this summer. UF has three available scholarships.
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gatorhopeful March 26, 2019 At 2:35 pm
Good luck. Hope you do well. But you know you are Gator Bait.
DanF March 26, 2019 At 3:26 pm
I think Stone will be missed, but as a grad transfer, he will have a great opportunity wherever he chooses next season. Okaru has shown flashes but he no doubt did the math, with the 2 McD All American guards coming in and Andrew and Noah returning from strong frosh years. I see this as a great opportunity for coach White and his assistants to get on the transfer portal night and day and try to replace these 2 with the biggest baddest bodies they can find with, hopefully, at least one being a grad transfer who can play right away next season.
Joakim Noah may be looking for a team next year, and he had another year of eligibility left. We could petition for a waver!!!!!!!
Smith March 26, 2019 At 4:06 pm
Yeah, a little surprise over Stone, but Okauru I figured would leave…
Best of luck fellas.
Steveob March 26, 2019 At 4:53 pm
Get some big men!!!
aintpcanddontcare March 26, 2019 At 8:06 pm
With all due respect you must be a newbie or else you would have already been informed by the Blue Blood Experts that only the Dukes, Kansas', North Carolinas and other true basketball schools get "big men" as in tall specimens. I've never been able to figure out how the warm-up schools the Gators play every year usually has a 6'11" player or two that gives Florida absolute fits.
tw March 26, 2019 At 5:13 pm
Okura…. no surprise. he deserves a better chance to play. He plays hard and has been a credit to himself and UF.
Stone ……definitely surprised. Congrats to him for getting his degree in four years. He and UF should be proud.The emergence of Johnson and the flashes of the potential of Stokes and Bassett along with the arrival of a talented freshman forward had to be factors. He has a degree from one of the great universities in the country ……..why not go have some fun. Wish him well. He will always be a Gator.
But the big surprise….. and I have been waiting since the final whistle in Utah……..is Ballard. His infrequent minutes season long and then total shut down by CMW the last few regular season games and all of the post season sure set the stage…….in my mind…..for the transfer announcement to be in the airport after touchdown in G'ville.
Fooled me…….still believe it will happen………………..but if it doesn't……all credit to him.!!!
SparkyGator March 27, 2019 At 4:41 pm
And you were correct….as Ballard is leaving now too. We shall soon see what the future holds. Also appears that Bama is taking the same approach UF did in hiring their new basketball coach. Apparently he was coaching high school basketball just 6 years ago.
tw, interesting comments on Ballard, as I had not given him any thought on possibly transferring as well. I think there was a game earlier in the season when he led the team in scoring, and began to get more playing time. But it seemed to me that after that he became overly focused on getting his shot and his shooting % went south quickly. A talented guy but seemed to struggle in trying to fit into the flow of the offense (you know, walk the ball slowly up court, stand around till there was less than 10 seconds on the shot clock, then throw up a wild one). Sorry, I digressed! If he sticks around and fits his game to the team offense, he could be a good 6th man to come in and add some fire to the team. We'll see. Go Gators.
DallasGator March 26, 2019 At 11:06 pm
He kind of reminds me of Casey Prather. Someone who probably won't put it all together until his senior season IF he lasts that long.
david smith March 26, 2019 At 8:22 pm
Need to hope Lewis is better than Beal because his supporting cast is nowhere close to what Beal had. This kind of shows where the program is going. We are always playing with 2 hands behind our back while White is here. We were thin this year. We were thin last year. We were short this year, last year and next year. We may be lucky to have 10 players on scholarship next year. One of the biggest reasons Saban is the best is because he's always playing with a full roster. He recruits for 50% attrition. White recruits for no attrition. I'm not saying that these players leaving are great players but you can't coach an empty shirt. You can't substitute a player if there isn't anybody on the bench. Most teams play 8 maybe 9 players the majority of the minutes in games. Nobody better get hurt or you can't even scrimmage. Maybe 4 vs 4. Kentucky hasn't signed fewer than 5 players in the last 4 seasons. UF hasn't signed more than 4.
Average recruiting class size is 3 players. Average size of the players is 6'4″. That's a losing recipe. May need to change the mascot to Florida Dwarves.
mveal2006 March 26, 2019 At 10:50 pm
ouch. of all the mike white criticisms, this one sure seems to be the most concerning. still, there is time, i'm not giving up on coach white at all.
JawsofTruth March 26, 2019 At 11:00 pm
Funny line on the Florida Dwarves! It even fits as we have Coach "Snow" White– not sure we will even have seven players on the team though as fast as they are bailing on him.
To be fair here, Kentucky loses their starting five to the NBA every year. We don't typically have the spots for 5 players every year.
Joe Shiver March 26, 2019 At 11:37 pm
That's exactly right, Dallas. UK usually has 1 or 2 Sr's plus 3 leaving early for the NBA. UF usually has 3 Sr's. Teams can only have 13 scholarship players. It's not like football where you have almost 4 times as many scholarships as there are starting players.
Smith March 27, 2019 At 11:48 am
Exactly…apples to oranges with UK comparison. Totally different dynamic over there. Dwarves line was hilarious though…
Interesting that you bring up the Beal team (2011-12). That team started 3 guards, 6-3 Beal, 6-2 Kenny Boynton, and 5-8 Erving Walker, along with 6-9 Patric Young and 6-10 Erik Murphy, who wasn't much of a rebounder. In fact, Beal led the team in rebounding.
This year's initial starting lineup was 6-5 Nembhard, 6-2 Allen, 6-6 Hudson, 6-8 Stone, and 6-9 Hayes. This year's team wins for average height, 6-6 to 6-4.
david smith March 27, 2019 At 11:01 am
Beal only lead 2 stats that year. Rebounds and Steals. So he obviously had a pretty good supporting cast since he played the most minutes and started the most games. Considering the top 2 scorers from the previous team(that included Parson Chandler) returned, I think the supporting cast was better. Of course 4 of the players you named from this years team, won't be returning. 3 of the top 4 scorers won't be returning. Then you have probably have the 3 best players(guards/sf all 6'5″ or shorter) returning being overtaken by our top 2 incoming freshmen(guards/sf 6'5″ and under). There is no Patric Young coming back. There is no Erik Murphy. What we'll have is a bunch of 6'5″ players with a 6'9″ freshman. You have to hope that players that showed "nothing" this year turn into competent or better starters on the inside. I did pick that team because it is the most appropriate for what peoples hopes with the incoming class but team make up is considerably different.
Bradley Beal is listed as 6'5″ by NBA.com. Erving Walker was very short and his defense was atrocious. I'd rather have a 5'8″ Walker with a 6'9″ Young and a 6'10" Murphy then a 6'8″ Stone and 6'9″ Hayes and pick any guard on the team you want. You can't teach size or ability and Young had more of it than any 2 players combined on this year's team.
Joe Shiver March 27, 2019 At 11:23 am
I wasn't trying to argue skill. I'm with you that Murphy and Young were more skilled than Stone and Hayes. My point is that the height differential wasn't significant, but skill level was.
Hopefully Gak gets healthy and can contribute and Stokes loses some weight. Those are two big guys we really need to produce next year. I'm excited about Stokes should be take the off season seriously. He has a really good paint game that we haven't seen since…Al Horford really (offensively speaking, not defensively).
Players abandoning ship… playing in the pitiful zombie offense sucks even more than watching it… yet Captain White rages on, obsessed with his failed methods even as his ship smashes into a reef, takes on water and sinks, plunging down… down… down… to the bottom of Davey Jones' locker, White all the while moaning: "Groan, groan, groan a zombie's life for me!"
Everyone needs to ease up on the Mike White hate. We've become a little spoiled and think we really are basketball royalty (thanks a lot Bruce Pearl). We aren't Duke, Kansas, North Carolina or even Kentucky. Gator fans have short memories and remember Billy Donovan taking us to the final four every single year. No one remembers after BD took us to the final four in his year four that up until he won back to back in his 10th and 11th years that Florida fans were all complaining he couldn't get out of the 1st weekend of the tournament. Headline everywhere, "Billy Donovan can't win the big game". With a little patience, how'd that turn out. Look at the first four years of BD's tenure compared to MW's. He's actually done better than Billy in a lot of categories. BD also had back to back years not making the tournament after the two Nattys AND his last year I'm not even sure we made the NIT and he admitted that the chemistry in the locker room was "toxic". That's what the great BD left MW to deal with. And I say the "great" BD with tongue in cheek because I do think he was great, I'm just a little too high on my soap box right now.
Also, no one considers that the SEC is significantly better now than when BD was here. The SEC is having historically successful years and MW is still getting us to the tournament. Not one year in the BD era was the SEC as good as they've been the past two years.
Thirdly, everyone who complains about us having no big men, HAVE YOU SEEN THE INJURY REPORTS. Half the team would have to be 6'-10" and above to counter the injury bug we've had the past two years…Egbunu – never came back and missed a year and a half, Gak – has never been fully healthy, Chase Johnson – concussions and then transferred, Stokes – acl injury (I think) and then rehabbed with Dunkin Donuts and Popeyes, Stone – year ending injury and sees the writing on the wall with the incoming class and transfers. Is no one else seeing the horrifically bad luck here? Poor Hayes who should be playing the Will Yuguette role has had to play the Patrick Young spot instead and I love him but he's got hands made out of butter.
Mike has just pulled two amazing recruiting classes, amazing even compared to BD's average recruiting. Granted his first two classes haven't really made an impact but geez the man has three all SEC type freshmen and two (almost 3) five star guys coming in next year.
My last point is if we get rid of Mike White there better darn well be a can't miss coaching hire out there. I'm not a college basketball savant but I don't see any obvious can't miss coaches out there waiting for UF to call. I hear Avery Johnson will soon be available.
In the words of the Aristotle (or maybe Aaron Rodgers) R-E-L-A-X and let's see what he can do with the talent coming in. Forgive me, I'm done now.
Daz Wazlle March 27, 2019 At 5:42 am
Very Good! i well remember so many BD years of teams that couldnt quite get there until the 04's.
"with Dunkin Donuts and Popeyes"… howling!!!
LOL. The post is so off I don't even know what to start with. BD built the basketball program from nothing. Maybe less than nothing. He took UF to the National title game with pretty much freshmen and sophomores. They were all his players. Everybody knew we were okay with BD when he signed Mike Miller. Then he followed it up with a better class next year. Then he followed it up with a better class 2 years later only to lose Kwame Brown to the NBA. Then he changed the way he recruited by shunning players that he thought were one and done types so he mainly stayed out of the top 30. MW hasn't even come close to BD recruiting classes. Let me know when MW signs 3 of the top 10 players then I'll say he matched BD. 1999 class: Donnell Harvey the #1 player, Brett Nelson (top 5 player), Matt Bonner (top 30 player) player. 2001 class class: Kwame Brown the #1 player, David Lee (top 10 player), James White(top 10 player). If you notice, his best recruits were inside players.
The difference between BD teams going to the tourney or going to the final four was always the 4/5 positions. If he had good or even great 4/5s he went far. If he didn't, they fell quickly.
MW's best year in 4 years is with BD's players.
The rest of your post I'll just chalk it up to McElwain.
You're absolutely right that BD built the program from nothing and had some great early recruiting classes. But after the 2000 title game and the departure of Harvey and Miller, the rest of the players you mentioned couldn't get the Gators past the first weekend of the tournament for five consecutive years, suffering two rather embarrassing first round upsets. Were they overrated, did Billy just not do a good job, or is that just the way basketball goes sometimes?
No doubt you need inside scoring and rebounding, which is currently lacking, but you don't get anywhere in the tournament without good guard play either.
You're also right about MW's best season being with some of BD's players. But Allen, Hayes, Egbunu, and Stone never actually played for Donovan. The ones who did, Cheeze, Hill, and Robinson, failed to get Donovan's last team to any kind of post-season play. And the best 3-point shooter, Leon, and the best FT shooter, Barry, on MW's Elite 8 team were White's players.
I think that because Donovan built the program from scratch, the brand was Donovan himself, not the Gators. When he left, the brand went with him. It was going to take White some time to establish himself to get players to want to come to UF to play for him. I think that's happening now. If he can't win with them, I'm sure Scott Stricklin will act accordingly.
Good points Joe, never mind what I wrote below. READ THIS!
My post is off? How dare you?! 😉 MW just pulled in the number 12th, 26th and 43rd ranked players nationally in the upcoming class good enough for 10th best class in the country. Last year they were ranked 23rd, 69th and 80th good enough for 19th so his recruiting is getting much better. And don't make the comparison to McElwain's class before he got fired, that whole class was smoke and mirrors and would have fallen apart once they saw the train wreck they were about to join. On average class ranking, White is either on par or getting close to Billy D. I'm just saying, give it some time.
For comparison (as based on your argument), Dan Mullen's last recruiting class was no where near Urban Meyer's or even Ron Zook's 2nd recruiting class ranking as far as high end top 100 talent. Should we feel the same way about Mullen as we do White?
And yes, McElwain represents all the is bad in the world. Just kidding…not really.
I'm with you, Dallas.
DanF March 27, 2019 At 9:20 am
Hey Dallas, as a Gator and former resident of Wylie, TX., I have to say that your column is very well written. You are spot on about the vast improvement in the SEC basketball arena since the BD days. When Billy first came to Gainesville, the SEC was little more than Kentucky and the 11 dwarves, except for LSU when some guy named Shaq played there. Billy managed to turn it into Kentucky and Florida and the 10 dwarves. In White's 4 years, UF has won 20 games or more each season, played in the NCAA tourney 3 times including one trip to the elite 8. Not bad for a football school! As a fan, I wish he would speed up the offense as well, but when you have only 7 or 8 healthy players, he had to play to his roster this season and that meant slow the game down. We have a very good coach and need to give him every opportunity to become a great coach at some point, and I think he will. Thanks for speaking out on this.
Thanks Dan. I totally agree with it only being a two team conference during BD's time. I meant to mention that as well but figured I had accosted the rest of you with a long enough post.
SparkyGator March 27, 2019 At 10:23 am
Dallas, I agree with you 100%! And on other question that got asked about Donovan was why so many players kept transferring out of his program. After he won the back to back titles, everyone just seems to remember it always being great while he was here.
Billy D had lots of transfers as well…good point. I think that's the nature of hoops though…
Smith, I agree. The players on the bench see the writing on the wall when CMW brings in two 5* and one almost 5* players to come along the 3 all-freshmen caliber players we already have. I don't blame them really. I'd want to go somewhere I had the opportunity to play.
Same as when BD coached, he brought in good talent year in and year out meaning the guys on the bench had to improve or move on to play.
And Sparky, I remember BD's tenure fondly myself and cried (not actual tears) when he resigned the 2nd time. I just think there are parallel's to his and MW's path that shouldn't be ignored.
I'm with you on being hurt when Donovan resigned (both times). I am a huge fan of his and was fortunate enough to have taken my youngest 2 kids to Indianapolis for the Final 4 in 06 when we won the first title. A memory none of us ever want to forget. But I'm also of the belief that Coach White will get us back to where we all want to be. Go Gators!
alohakid March 27, 2019 At 3:37 pm
Rats deserting a sinking ship…
Joe Shiver March 27, 2019 At 3:55 pm
Follow your kin.
DallasGator March 27, 2019 At 4:54 pm
I did the exact thing my wife does, laugh and then say, "That's not nice". LOL.
I suppose not, but aloha is a first magnitude troll, so I think he expects it and even thrives on it. I know you're not supposed to feed 'em, but it's so difficult to resist!
cattrick April 5, 2019 At 9:13 pm
With 3 incoming freshmen combined with those returning, White SHOULD have the type players needed for uptempo and some inside offense. If he goes back to that half-court, use up the shot clock offense, I don't see any improvement over the 2019 team record. We shall see, but those 3 frosh are fast-break ballers and 2 of them were solid 3 point shooters in high school. Just sayin that's the offense I would play if I were still coachin and had those studs.
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