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Syria Chemical Weapons Attack: An Open Source Investigation
Corbett • 04/09/2018 • 330 Comments
http://www.corbettreport.com/mp4/syriachemicalinvestigation.mp4
No sooner has the idea of a US withdrawal from Syria been floated than Assad launched a chemical weapons attack on the suburbs of Damascus…or so we are being asked to believe. But this is not the first time we have been lied to about chemical weapons claims. What is the evidence about this situation, and what are the latest developments with regard to the international response? Corbett Report members are asked to contribute to this open source investigation by posting information and links about this breaking news event.
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ZeroHedge have an update to their post about the apparent attack on the T4 airfield being reported on Syrian TV:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-08/massive-explosions-heard-above-syria-amid-reports-us-fighter-jets-cruise-missiles
Their update notes how the T4 airfield was specifically cited by "IDFSpokesperson" on Twitter as an operating base for Iran and the Quds Forces "with the backing of Syrian Forces." Link to the tweet:
https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/962394807745286144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Israel weighs in:
Israeli officials: U.S. must strike in Syria
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israeli-officals-US-must-strike-in-Syria-549144
"The US must attack the Assad regime in Syria in response to the alleged chemical-weapons attack in Douma, which killed dozens of people, Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said on Sunday."
(Note the subhead: "In a switch, Trump to keep troops in Syria for now")
marvinsannes says:
Hannity of FOX has "Vile Alliance" and a nice graphic of the 3 flags: Russia, Syria, Iran. "Cancel the Iran Treaty immediately".
Hannity nor Carlson, Monday nite, had any mention of the Gaza shootings.
Carlson did question a US Senator: "What are America's interests in Syria?" He ask 2 more times: "You didn't answer the question, what is our interest in Syria?" "ISIS" – the best the Senator could do.
joe.s says:
The Oded Yinon Plan : Greater Israel in never seen before detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwzteZ7mUyU
The Israeli Clash of Civilizations Exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4YKTatx7RI&feature=youtu.be
Extremely relevant memory-holed story from two weeks ago:
Terrorist capabilities laid bare in an Eastern Ghouta chemical lab
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/421515-ghouta-syria-chemical-weapons/
"This week, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) liberated some Eastern Ghouta farmlands between Shifouniyeh and Douma and discovered a well-equipped chemical laboratory run by Saudi-backed Islamist terrorists. Not a single Western reporter showed up to investigate the facility."
They found something that can be described as chemical facility. But then article continues:
"They had examined the blue and black canisters and discovered chlorine …"
Chlorine is a gas with boiling point at -30 degC. It cannot be stored in plastic canisters. Maybe some chlorine compound.
Lets say lousy reporting.
Rooster_Ninja says:
The containers pictured looks like they could hold Sodium Hypochlorite (Bleach.) Which, with a little stretch you could call chlorine. Have no idea how you would make a weapon out of it… throw it in someone's eyes?
And you are correct to get any significant amount of chlorine gas you need to liquify it within a pressurized steel container,somewhat similar to a propane tank.
Containers could be filled with anything almost. Since there are no warning labels I'm inclined to exclude Sodium Hypochlorite.
With a little more stretching one can say there is chlorine in your kitchen, Sodium Chloride.
As you noticed weaponsation of chemicals is a big problem, indeed. I see little possibility to use projectiles, that are presented in the article, as effective CW.
scpat says:
The same group that the lab belonged to, Jaysh al-Islam, admitted two years ago that they used chemical weapons (chlorine and others) against the Kurds in Syria.
https://www.rt.com/news/338849-jaysh-al-islam-chemical-aleppo/
kiley says:
Thinking back on the videos of the children in the "treatment center" I wonder if the children are in distress because of exposure to chemicals or from being brutalized by the "rescue workers".
Poison Gas – Weapon of Choice for "False News"
Global Research, April 12, 2018
https://www.globalresearch.ca/poison-gas-weapon-of-choice-for-false-news/5635839
By Peter Koenig, April 12, 2018
The recent fake gas attack on Douma outside of Damascus, has allegedly killed 80 to 120 people, mostly women and children. Of course, that sells best in the propaganda theatre – women and children. But there is not proof, none whatsoever.
False Flag in Syria Sets Stage for Wider War
https://www.globalresearch.ca/false-flag-in-syria-sets-stage-for-wider-war/5635846
By Tony Cartalucci, April 12, 2018
The US rush to conflict attempts to sidestep any meaningful investigation into the attack, fitting a larger pattern of Washington and its allies using baseless chemical weapon allegations for wars of aggression stretching back to the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Trigger-Happy Trump and Syria: "The Worst Case Scenario Is Now Our Reality."
https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-and-syria-the-worst-case-scenario-is-now-our-reality/5635749
By Felicity Arbuthnot, April 12, 2018
The discredited White Helmets – a "rescue" group only operating in areas held by "rebels" who routinely decapitate, including children, set fire to people and commit numerous unspeakable acts – have produced a video of an apparent chemical attack on 7th April.
The Most Important U.N. Security Council Vote Ever? Alleged Syria Chemical Weapons Attack and US-NATO Plans to Invade Syria
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-most-important-u-n-security-council-vote-ever-alleged-syria-chemical-weapons-attack-and-us-nat-plans-to-invade-syria/5635765
By Eric Zuesse, April 12, 2018
On Tuesday, April 10th, the U.S. and France were sending missiles, ships, planes and soldiers for an invasion of Syria, which is defended by Russia; and two alternative draft proposals were presented to the U.N. Security Council for authorizing an expert investigation to be done into the alleged April 7th chemical attack in Douma in Syria, which alleged event the U.S. and France allege to be the justification for their planned invasion.
angie.wright1 says:
Footage of weapons cache found in East Ghouta after defeat on Jaysh al Islam, note the gas canister labelled Salisbury (Porton Down): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWs29QSxAqs&feature=share
Dilyana Gazandtzhieva has reported on this
The chief of Russia's general staff predicted this very scenario less than one month ago:
US planning missile and bombing raid against Damascus — top brass
http://tass.com/world/993678
"Militants are preparing a provocation with the use of chemical agents in Syria to justify a massive US strike against Damascus' government neighborhoods, Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov said on Tuesday."
Goes on to predict that after the US makes false accusations about the false flag they will bomb Damascus' government district, where there are Russian military officials:
"in the event of a threat to our military servicemen's lives, Russia's Armed Forces will take retaliatory measures to target both the missiles and their delivery vehicles."
And from April 6, just three days ago,
Russian top brass warn al-Nusra, Free Syrian Army plotting chemical attacks in Syria
"Jabhat al-Nusra and the Free Syrian Army are planning chemical attacks with the use of chlorine in areas under their control, according to the Russian Defense Ministry."
http://tass.com/defense/998199
This article from The Atlantic purports to tell us the logic behind Assad unleashing chemical weapons on the brink of total victory, but it doesn't. If anyone can make heads or tails of this "he's doing it to make Trump back down" hodgepodge I'm all ears.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/04/syria-chemical-weapons-assad-trump/557483/
A badge of valor should be pinned onto anyone who manages to read through that hellish drivel.
I Shot Santa says:
I was going to do so, but then you started threatening people with honor. Not on my watch! JimBob who is still about to click on it anyway.
Mkey, I only read it on a dare and it was horrifyingly hilarious! All you have to do is believe wholeheartedly that Assad absolutely loves using chemical weapons on his own people and that the Ayatollah is just rubbing his evil hands in glee. But, note how saddened they are that trumpy is just going to do nothing once again. Honey badger just don't care, they say! Statism really is a mental disorder. It's the only thing that can explain crazy crap like this. JimBob: Just because I'm the last sane man left don't make me right.
* valor badge awarded *
I tried finishing it, but the last few paragraphs were just too much. Maybe I need to get liquored up.
No. You should run far and fast instead. But it does show a sense of imagination. But nothing for an intelligent reader in this day and age. The internet has killed their construct. JimBob from fluorida who is still dealing with the trauma of that article!
WAYNED says:
When I read a bunch of loaded language, no sourcing, just vilification, I tend to stop reading. I just don't bother with mind-control garbage that makes people think they are smart by the measure of holding disparate thoughts in the mind simultaneously. It's deliberately convoluted and not to be understood for any number of reasons.
Still, I may read on just to see the truth they may be hiding. Really, it's in plain sight.
"… in the calculus of Assad, Vladimir Putin, and Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The successful trio wants first and foremost to subdue the remaining rebels in Syria, with an eye toward the several million people remaining in rebel-held Idlib province. A particularly heinous death for the holdouts in Ghouta, …"
It reads like a doctor loveless episode from the wild west show. They validate the bona fides and show the opposing team, I mean.. what are they? We certainly have lots of high level dealings with this crowd. How much of our uranium is under russian control and isn't that thanks to Hillary?
"After the humiliating August 2013 "non-strike event," when Obama changed his mind about his "red line" and decided not to react to Assad's use of chemical weapons, the Syrians had America in a box."
Wait a minute, who's side is this writer on? Who is this writer challenging out "weak" leaders?
"Trump's Middle East policy remains a mystery. " Just a mystery, can't attack him yet, because it seems he's staying in Syria.. Conveniently.
"This most recent attack, as tragic as it is, is no turning point. It's more of the same from Assad and his allies, as they solidify the grisly, dangerous norms that they've been busy enshrining since 2013."
Maybe that's all it is after all, they just want to stay in Syria for now. Until something worse happens.
But sides are drawn… Who is this empowered writer?
Israel now being formally fingered as the culprit behind airbase attack in Homs:
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/04/08/israel-attacks-syrian-airbase-in-homs/
IDF will not comment on reports:
https://twitter.com/IsraelBreaking/status/983185678157733888
VoiceOfArabi says:
Hello James and all the Corbetteers out there,
I think you all doing great job on this website, especially the open investigations to further prove that governments in general (and people in power for the majority of times) will abuse power and lie and deceit (and even kill & and rape you and your women and kids if they can get away with it).
An open investigation like this can open the eyes of people who are still in that place of not knowing who the enemy is.
If you are above a certain age, and have traveled the world, then you will be able to see the enemy very clearly, even if you are unable to provide proof (you can certainly prove it if you consider who benefits and the trail of "results" they leave behind.)
So, I am at a position to really understand the games played by people in power behind the USA and European Elite and between the other side of the coin and the other side of the planet.
So, my question is. For those people who already know (let us call it Gut feel), that these powers are engaged in false flags all the times, and killing off people who speak out, and raping people in prisons (including USA and European prisons) and etc etc..
For people who already proved to themselves that these people are evil… Were do we go next….
I guess… I am asking for an open forum for the following:
"We know that "those powers" are engaged in killing, enslaving and raping us.. What should we do next???"
Personally. I knew who the enemy is, after my trip to Russia, Vietnam and China.
I don't need further proofs that USA, Europe, and all the governments in the world will practice deceit (they have to survive). I want to start talking about "What can we do about this fact!)
Any advice or help from anyone is appreciated.
We all knew this was coming, it probably would have happened sooner but RT reporting that a false flag attack was going to be carried out a couple of weeks ago obviously stalled them a bit.
Few good articles:
SYRIA: The Egregious Western Media 'Chemical Weapon' Fraud in Eastern Ghouta – http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/04/08/syria-the-egregious-western-media-chemical-weapon-fraud-in-eastern-ghouta/
"The 'Chemical Weapon' narrative has sustained the conflict in Syria with alleged attacks being attributed almost entirely to the Syrian government, the Syrian Arab Army and Russia. The seven year information war has been ferocious with NATO-aligned media, think tanks and self appointed experts such as Eliot Higgins and Bellingcat doing all in their power to reinforce the "Syria did it" narrative."
New Syrian Chemical Weapons Attack Being Reported By All The Usual Suspects – https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/04/08/early-reports-of-new-syrian-chemical-attack-by-all-the-usual-suspects/
"So to be clear, we're being asked by these people to believe that Bashar al-Assad launched a "mass casualty chemical attack", the thing which would provoke the wrath of the US war machine, just as Trump was seeking a withdrawal from Syria and just as Assad was approaching victory in Douma. We are being asked to ignore the fact that the area is crawling with actual, literal terrorists, to ignore the western empire's extensive history of using lies, propaganda and false flags to manufacture support for military aggression, to ignore the extremely suspicious western funding and terrorist ties of the White Helmets who are circulating these photos and information, and to ignore the fact that Syria has been a target of imperialist regime change for many years. We are being asked to ignore all that and believe instead that Assad spontaneously began acting against his own self-interest so that he could kill children for no discernible reason.
It says so much about the power of western media psyops that this has a strong chance of being believed."
Moscow calls 'chemical attack' in Douma 'fake news,' warns against Syrian intervention – https://www.rt.com/news/423524-douma-chemical-attack-fake-moscow/
"The Russian Foreign Ministry denounced the latest reports about a chemical attack that allegedly affected dozens of civilians in the militant-controlled town of Douma. It said the reports were another example of a "continuous series of fake news about the use of chlorine and other chemical agents by the government forces.""
Some more good articles:
Trump's Syria "Withdrawal" Was Textbook US Deception – https://www.activistpost.com/2018/04/trumps-syria-withdrawal-was-textbook-us-deception.html
"Reading through the 2009 Brookings document, the US has gone through all possible options prepared for Iran – but against Syria – several times over, but to no avail. Even the prospect of Balkanizing Syria appears tenuous. An attempt to revisit accusations of "WMDs" yet again, signals desperation across Western policy circles."
Syrians Rejoice as Jaish al-Islam Capitulates – Mainstream Media Pushes Chemical Weapons Meme Instead – https://www.activistpost.com/2018/04/syrians-rejoice-as-jaish-al-islam-capitulates-mainstream-media-pushes-chemical-weapons-meme-instead.html
"Unoriginally, the well-oiled propaganda machine once again turned to the long ago-debunked claim that the Syrian government likes to gas its own people with chemical weapons, conveniently always just at the moment whenever it is on the brink of a huge political or military victory."
Another Chemical Attack in Syria: But Why Is the Corporate Media Missing Crucial Points? – https://www.globalresearch.ca/another-chemical-attack-in-syria-but-why-is-the-corporate-media-missing-crucial-points/5635230
""So we come to the terrible conclusion that the corporate media are relying on two organizations which are ideologically inspired and/or aligned with Al-Qaeda. Yes, let us repeat that again, the main source for the corporate media are two organizations aligned with Al-Qaeda."
The False Flag Attack in Syria Finally Arrives – http://www.syrianews.cc/false-flag-attack-syria-arrives/
"The discovery near Douma of a chemical laboratory filled with containers of chlorine and equipment designed to produce chemical weapons stalled the planned false flag and showed rock solid evidence of the possession and capacity of terrorists forces to use chemicals which could be weaponized. The discovery should have been a game changer in the broader narrative of who has and is using chemical weapons in Syria, but, true to form, the MI6/CIA loyalist media and leading western governments ignored it. It may as well not have been discovered, with no difference in attitude and coverage that it made."
State Dept Accuses Russia And Syria Of Gassing Civilians Before Any Investigation – https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/04/08/state-dept-accuses-russia-and-syria-of-gassing-civilians-before-any-investigation/
"Remember: they wouldn't be working so hard to manufacture your consent for these strategic power grabs if they didn't need your consent. Refuse to be bullied and manipulated into handing it over to them."
"Remember: they wouldn't be working so hard to manufacture your consent for these strategic power grabs if they didn't need your consent."
This is a great point. Although it doesn't prove who did it, it is very telling and 99.9% of the time holds true.
Another good article & a video:
Don't drink the Kool-Aid! West promoting chemical false flags as pretext for military action – https://www.rt.com/op-ed/423624-douma-syria-russia-attack/
"The most recent attack, which screams 'false flag' like no other, comes as no surprise to many observers. Russia was sounding the alarm last month that US instructors were actively training militants for a "chemical provocation" that would be used as a pretext for carrying out an attack on the Syrian government (Syrian doctors, meanwhile, said they had not received victims with signs of chemical poisoning from Douma, and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said no evidence has been found of a chemical weapons attack)."
Video from Ron Paul & Daniel McAdams
Another False Flag – Will Trump Escalate In Syria? – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Udgh_aECE&feature=youtu.be&a
No trace of chemical weapons at alleged attack site in Douma – Russian military – https://www.rt.com/news/423627-russian-military-checks-chemical-douma/
"The Russian military has found no trace of chemical weapons use after searching parts of Syria's Douma allegedly targeted by an "attack." Photos of victims posted by the White Helmets are fake, Russia's Defense Ministry said.
Experts in radiological, chemical and biological warfare, as well as medics, on Monday inspected the parts of the Eastern Ghouta city of Douma, where an alleged chemical attack supposedly took place on Saturday, the Russian Reconciliation Center for Syria said in a statement."
The same tired False Flag event being played over and over and over? Why would anyone use a tactic that has failed every time in the past? While we are that stupid, it does invite the question of who benefits from an obviously fake false flag attack. Or why? This just gets more interesting. JimBob from fluorida thinks that the world is much ado about nothing some days.
Great speech by H.E. Dr. Bashar Jaafari at the UN Security Council 9-4-2018 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ECKb2ktMAA
US State Department's official response on the incident:
"The Assad regime and its backers must be held accountable and any further attacks prevented immediately. Russia, with its unwavering support for the regime, ultimately bears responsibility for these brutal attacks, targeting of countless civilians, and the suffocation of Syria's most vulnerable communities with chemical weapons. By shielding its ally Syria, Russia has breached its commitments to the United Nations as a framework guarantor. It has betrayed the Chemical Weapons Convention and UN Security Council Resolution 2118. Russia's protection of the Assad regime and failure to stop the use of chemical weapons in Syria calls into question its commitment to resolving the overall crisis and to larger non-proliferation priorities."
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/04/280313.htm
Russian Foreign Ministry response:
"The spread of bogus stories about the use of chlorine and other poisonous substances by (Syrian) government forces continues. Yet another such fabricated piece of information about an alleged chemical attack in Douma appeared yesterday," the ministry said in a statement.
"We have warned several times recently against such dangerous provocations. The aim of such deceitful speculation, lacking any kind of grounding, is to shield terrorists … and to attempt to justify possible external uses of force."
https://www.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-syria-ghouta-russia/russia-says-syria-gas-attack-reports-fabricated-idUSL8N1RL0B3
HomeRemedySupply says:
Geez!
Good compendium of Graham, McCaul, and assorted other politicians calling for strike against Syria:
http://ibankcoin.com/flyblog/2018/04/08/graham-mccaul-call-military-strikes-syria-response-chlorine-attack/#sthash.tHY0U2pE.dpbs
There will be an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council today (April 9) to discuss the attack and response "called for by the United States, France, Britain, Sweden, Poland, the Netherlands, Kuwait, Peru, and Ivory Coast."
Also, Trump and Macron have pledged a "strong, joint response" to the incident in an April 8 phone call.
https://www.rferl.org/a/syria-chemical-attack-syria-dozens-killed-russia/29152580.html
Here is the UNSC meeting:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hOxGmxINlOI
Comment from YouTube comments section with time stamps:
20:34 – Russia Speaks
2:12:18 – Russia Speaks Again
2:19:16 – Syria Speaks
2:19:25 – Butthurt triggered snowflakes leave
Sorry, embarassed to admit I'm so not up to speed on this issue and info below probably not helpful as it's in French (and can't participate too much today) but essentially
local people of Hammuriyah (eastern Ghouta) questioned about chemical attacks had not heard about any attack taking place in their town.
https://fr.sputniknews.com/international/201803161035519663-syrie-ghouta-armes-chimiques-russie-defense/
"…Selon M.Konachenkov, les journalistes russes, arabes et occidentaux qui étaient présent jeudi dans un couloir humanitaire de la Ghouta orientale ont interrogé des habitants de Hammuriyah sur une attaque chimique présumée qui aurait été menée dans leur ville. «Aucun habitant de Hammuriyah n'en a entendu parler», a précisé le porte-parole…"
https://fr.sputniknews.com/international/201804081035852199-douma-armes-chimiques/
Essentially, the head of the Russian center for the reconciliation of conflicting parties in Syria says a cease-fire and evacuation agreement between the Russian Defense Minister and the radical group Jaych al-Islam proves that there were no attacks using chemical weapons in Ghouta and that any such claims are patently false:
"…Cet accord souligne qu'il n'y a pas eu de recours aux armes chimiques, selon Youri Evtouchenko, chef du Centre russe pour la réconciliation des parties en conflit en Syrie.
«Cela souligne encore une fois qu'aucune arme chimique dans cette localité n'a été utilisée et que toutes les allégations à l'encontre des troupes gouvernementales de la part de l'Occident ne sont rien d'autres que fausses», a fait savoir le général Youri Evtouchenko…"
Fawkes news (whose credibility I cannot vouch for) provided the above links and speaks about predictable false flag operation of alleged chemical attacks:
http://www.fawkes-news.com/2018/04/false-flag-comme-prevu-les-islamistes.html
"…False flag: comme prévu, les islamistes en perdition accusent la Syrie d'une nouvelle attaque chimique. Selon Trump, Al Assad devra «payer le prix fort»…"
Of course France has said it will assume its purported responsabilities involved in these new attacks…
This is my first time hearing of it as well. I'd say that it won't work on the people, but honestly I think that most people have decided to quit caring anymore. But, I am definitely interested in finding out more. Sometimes I think these charades are just an IQ test of the people. JimBob who lives in the bible belt and so never likes those crazy end-timers to get a chance to talk about the bear and the chosen ones. Aaargh!
Russian Defense Ministry now officially blaming Israel for strike on T-4 airfield in Homs:
"On April 9, in the period between 3.25 a.m. and 3.53 a.m. Moscow Time two F-15 aircraft of Israel's Air Force delivered a strike with eight guided missiles on the T-4 airfield without entering Syria's airspace from Lebanon's territory," the ministry said.
The Syrian air defenses destroyed five guided missiles. Three missiles reached the western part of the airfield. No Russian advisers are among the casualties.
Octium says:
I'll let the timezone wizards work this one out…
Google reports logging this page 4 days ago (As of 10:02 am 9 April 2018 GMT)
Reported poison gas attack strikes rebel-held Syrian town
http://www.dodgeglobe.com/article/ZZ/20180408/NEWS/180409858
When was the alleged attack?
I wake up this morning and find this video. Geez!
My thanks to James for not only giving us the brief, but also for showing the context of past repeated incidents from the same "playbook".
Let us also not forget the last time ended with revelations that Syria was fore-warned of the Tomahawk missiles, and they did no damage to the airfield. And of course, a de-escalation of the area which has resulted in Syria kicking a lot of butt all over Syria. Trump is a master of creating chaos, and then ultimately getting several somethings that tend to stupefy the public. However, by placing so much faith in the competence of the military; one has to worry over his faith in the automaton. JimBob who himself once tried to start a war cuz he was getting tired of waiting.
Duck says:
Our legions are brim-full, our cause is ripe.
The enemy increaseth every day.
We, at the height, are ready to decline.
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
If the US petrodollar is possibly on the decline and Israel is facing all kinds of problems that will weaken it then they and their allies in the Government will prob feel like they really NEED to have their war now rather then later when their weaker.
I wonder if the situation is like pre WW2 when the Japanese Navy and Army had very different plans on who they should hit (US or Russians) MAybe the Middle east hawks are being held back and thwarted by Far East hawks
From the ever reliable Haaretz
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/.premium-israel-is-no-longer-watching-syria-from-the-sidelines-and-is-directly-operating-against-iran-1.5980318
Russia Outs Israel, Says Two Israeli Fighter Jets Struck Iranian Base in Syria
Israel Informed Washington Ahead of Syria Strike on Air Base, U.S. Officials Say
Kremlin says Israel did not inform Moscow before carrying out overnight strike on Iranian T-4 air base ■ In the past, Israel complained about Obama officials leaking intel
Amir Tibon (Washington) Apr 09, 2018 4:49 PM
"…Trump has demanded that international inspectors and emergency medical workers be given immediate access to the besieged city, saying Assad's forces were preventing access to Douma by emergency workers and international investigators.
Reuters quoted U.S. government sources late on April 8 as saying the assessment of U.S. authorities, "with some degree of confidence," was that chemical weapons were used in Douma, but they were still evaluating details…
France has repeatedly warned that evidence of further use of chemical weapons in Syria was a "red line" that would prompt French military strikes.
"The use of chemical weapons is a war crime," French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said in an April 8 statement, adding that France will "do its duty" if the reported attack on Douma is verified…"
Don't know if everyone had already seen this from March 11th;
Syria: U.S. 'Deep State' Planning Mother Of All False Flag Chemical Attacks
March 11, 2018 Sean Adl-Tabatabai Middle East, News
"…The U.S. 'Deep State' are planning one of the most devastating chemical weapons attacks to-date in Syria, according to Syria's deputy foreign minister.
"We have received information that militants plan to stage an attack between the districts of Mesraba and Beit Sawa. Tahrir al-Sham terrorists plan to sacrifice several women for this purpose and launch a disinformation campaign. The performance is thought to be scheduled for March 11." …"
http://yournewswire.com/syria-deep-state-false-flag-chemical-attack/
I mean, there it is! My instantaneous thought was that this was likely the case, even without seeing the history. Great find, I think.
Just a little moral support: (warning: use of the word "screw" NOT in reference to DIY activities)
Real Journalists Question 'Chemical Attack' In Syria's Douma
April 8, 2018 Niamh Harris
"…So following Donald Trump's announcement that it's time for US troops to leave Syria and right after the Syrian government liberates Eastern Ghouta, President Assad decides to unleash chemical weapons on civilians, mainly women and children?
Chemical weapons that he doesn't even have….
"Odd how every time Trump suggests he might leave Syria or back off, Assad (who would love the US out) suddenly inexplicably uses chemical weapons and screws himself. How convenient for the players who are desperate to get the US more deeply involved," freelance journalist Danielle Ryan tweeted…"
http://yournewswire.com/real-journalists-question-chemical-attack-in-syrias-douma/
bayer says:
Information coming from our friends in Syria that ISIS had advanced knowledge of the Israeli airstrike and took advantage of this to launch attack against the Syrian military near Homs Syria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9HVBOU4hA0
robert.t says:
Since the old "serious" purpose – of checkmating Russia by piping the gas of friendly Qatar across a friendly Sunni corridor to a friendly Turkey -must now seem fanciful, one has to wonder what any new purpose could be.
Are there really dreams of a friendly Kurdistan taking control not just of oil and land but of the region's great watershed? Surely the US and NATO couldn't believe that Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria would tolerate Kurdish control of the Tigris and maybe the Euphrates? In the West the Kurds are portrayed as non-embarrassing Israelis, moderates who just want their own nest. Their neighbours don't feel that way at all about the Kurds. And they're funny about water.
One hears stories of a Greater Kurdistan as a big extension of US and Israeli power…but who would invest in such an uncertain dream? I'm only asking about this here because anywhere else I'd be yelled at and called an anti-semite or a zionist for not showing enough conviction. Can anyone figure out why NATO is risking a conflagration when the possible goals are so far-fetched? Turkey is alienated and they're having trouble even keeping the right Saudis in power. Can they seriously believe in a new carve-up of the ME, especially when even in the Sunni nations so many critical regions and resources are Shiite? No sense in any of this.
Sorry to be long winded, but here's my fear: the US and NATO may simply need war sooner rather than later, which ties in with James reflections on the long-term effects of OBOR etc. Hope I'm wrong. I'd better be.
on a micro short term level many suggest this alleged chemical attack was timed to distract from serious crackdowns on palestinian protests from mid-march to may…i think…
on a more vast scale and timeline, much confusion and fear-mongering, talk and images of war and mayhem, may mask, may distract from the noticeable, visible mechanisms of the careful, surgical clicking into place, (monetarily, financially, economically, technologically and from a perception control stand-point) of the new smart, biometric, total surveillance paradigm. (if you imagine East and West dutifully acting out together the scripted scenario using a precious few witting agents and crowds of unwitting players and extras.) the East as the truthful, victimized and virtuous liberators ushering in the brave new more collective, equitable, ecological world and the West with Israel playing the obsolete individualistic free-market capitalistic polluting bad guys tarred in black who everyone knows are slated to lose.) however, finally, only the scriptwriters will win at everyone else's expense.
the war's already on. just ask the somalis, the palestinians, the syrians, the yemeni, the haitians, the venezualans etc etc etc
dunno. just for the sake of conversation. i'll try to take a closer look at your question…
Generally, we find a lot of stuff gets through the pipeline in the US whenever trumpy has a tantrum. It's almost as if he doesn't really have these tantrums. JimBob who thinks he don't like any of the players involved in the being his master wars. And that they're wrong about THAT whole master thing anyway.
Certainly not counting out any point of view, since far-fetched is the new black. What I don't get is how a sinister master plan of any sort can hope to succeed in a world where the smallest geopolitical move by the most powerful player is inevitably a bungle. How do you neatly reduce a whole world to Georgia Guidestone numbers while ushering in a neat new system? Seems the scriptwriters would have to be more potty than evil. I get your point that the West is meant to fail, but how controllable is that?
I'm left shaking my head at how lazily staged and farcical the most recent shootings and terror acts have been. Without such a heavily centralized and corporatized media the ordinary punter would be laughing at such events as the Parson's Green bomb which couldn't scorch its container and the YouTube shooter (Persian!) who looks and sounds like an electronic invention. Yet these things all pass effortlessly into the public conscious, and would pass into mine if I turned on the TV for any other purpose than old flicks, cricket and Rugby League (which I don't).
It's argued that these staged events are made deliberately lame, just to test limits. Surely that's a dangerous game. They can vaguely know what we're thinking just through our YouTube views, but compulsive controllers make terrible adjusters. Are the Bilderbergers or whoever really backing themselves to this extent?
I'm still left with the notion that if there is an effective master plan of "ordo ab chao" its authors would have shown some quality and ingenuity by now. A number of conflicting master plans by total nutters is more likely.
For now I'm sticking with a desperate US permanent state which would prefer war sooner rather than later. Using fracked US oil (or rebranded Russian stuff!) to make Poland independent of Russian product and of German compromise seems alarmingly short-term and desperate, but it's typical of the kind of floundering we've been witnessing. And invading Russia because your blockades and other continental manipulations aren't working has been done before, though not with success. (Hillary, one of history's great bunglers, seemed keen on a winter offensive, while even Napoleon was out of there by the end of autumn.)
So great is my fondness for America and Americans (don't know about "United States") that I truly hope I'm wrong. Anyway, thanks for a space where I can raise these matters without getting yelled at.
"…What I don't get is how a sinister master plan of any sort can hope to succeed in a world where the smallest geopolitical move by the most powerful player is inevitably a bungle…"
do you subscribe to the "incompetence" or "lack of imagination" theories?
dunno about the georgia guidestones, but appearing to bungle every geopolitical move is what I'd do, among other stuff, to prove that humans shouldn't manage themselves
to prove that machines should take care of the boring stuff like deciding destinies and geopolitical moves…
"…I'm left shaking my head at how lazily staged and farcical the most recent shootings and terror acts have been. Without such a heavily centralized and corporatized media the ordinary punter would be laughing at such events as the Parson's Green bomb which couldn't scorch its container and the YouTube shooter (Persian!) who looks and sounds like an electronic invention…"
Yea. Farcical indeed. I empathize. but the media IS heavily centralized by…some folks…social engineers?. I hadn't heard the "test limits" theory but looking at my very closest entourage it seems plausible. No danger in my vicinity of shaking anyone out of their stupor.
Perhaps the quality and ingenuity of the social engineers comes precisely from not showing any.
just implementing lots.
"A number of conflicting master plans by total nutters is more likely."
yea, I'd go with that perspective
with the caveat that "they", as owning most of everything including "us",
"they" as an infinitely smaller group, have more in common with each other, and more to lose collectively,
than they have in common with "us".
One of the more hilarious aspects of these so-called elites is that they really have no idea how the guts of a bureaucracy actually works. They generally think, I speak, they do. A lot of incompetence and criminality (my area of expertise in such organizations) exist that tend to throw all their Superior Brain ideas in the tank. Meanwhile, Pinky still wonders how we are going to get the peanut butter out of our underwear. JimBob from fluorida who knows nothing planned from the top ever works out in the top's favor.
Even here in Australia we have much talk from the top about "smart" systems and driverless whatnots. Our present PM, who is a wind-up globalist stooge of the Macron sort (Goldman Sachs, natch) came to power (appointed) rambling about agile mini-cities and smart green solutions to everything. His latest smart solution is Uphill Snowy, an absurd reverse hydro scheme that allows him to don hard hats and fluoro jackets.
Like most of our leaders he's electoral poison but boosted in gravity defiance by both the luvvie media and Murdoch. (The only rational explanation for an outrageous deal for Australian-made French submarines for delivery much later in the century is a need to compensate France for cancellation of Russian contracts. How's that for thinking globally! The stupendously expensive subs will run on diesel because uranium exporter South Australia, now energy-impoverished, disapproves of things like coal and nukes. But who cares? Few believe the contraptions will ever be built.)
I could go on about green comedies in Australia (yes, Rosa Koire, we're getting those light rails to close city streets for loooong construction and then to obstruct traffic ever after.) The point is that there is definitely something at work beyond impulse, corruption and stupidity. The "something" certainly proceeds from concealed central planning of a very ambitious sort. Its respectable names include Sustainable Development. I prefer Communism-in-a-Suit, but that's just me.
So there's a determination to plan and it comes from the top and gets well circulated across the upper echelons. My question is how effective and co-ordinated these "masters" really are. A preening euro-narcissist with a CIA Alexa to remind him of his tanning studio appointments may feel entitled to run the world. But how far can over-dressed mediocrity get?
Australians have certainly been good boiling frogs to date, tossing away thrift, privacy, borders, family traditions etc. Ask us to go to war and we're there, helping ISIS get out of trouble with air-cover that accidentally hits Syrian troops. So I'm definitely not disagreeing with the breakdown or "mess" theory. I guess I'm just hoping that those who see the world as lovely, unfathomable flux will always prove smarter than those who see it as a glorified gameboy with themselves at the controls.
not a new idea of course, just a rephrasing or reminder (to myself actually.) A thought experiment to get me some partial light:
the competing interests seem mostly lateral, geographic. but what if they're primarily vertical? international social engineers (Unesco founders, the land and resource absconders) against the unimaginably massive 'everyone else'.
what does the syrian conflict look like in that light?
I thought that always was the light. Of course, it does explain why they might look so stressed every now and then. What with being outnumbered some 7 billion to a few hundred thousand. Or even their precious whatever millions people on the Georgia By God Guidestones. Still, they speak and their slaves do jump. JimBob who don't think that makes any sense whatsoever and is too old to be doing all that jumping around anyway.
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IF there was a plan to 'just' kill off a ton of people AND it was run by a secret power that could control so many forces then the viruses would already be loose without any need to pretend.
Baxley already tried that in Finland. Screwed it up. The ones running the freak show are unbelievably street stupid. Their only real strength is control of the media; and they are losing that one. JimBob who's seen better cons in his neighborhood than Trump can even imagine.
IshotSanta
Baxley in Finland? Did they have an issue with the polio vaccine?
I disagree that "their" only strength is the media… people who can 'just' control the media cant kill others with drone strikes or carpet bombing.
I dont think there is a "they" … because if there were only ONE POWER PLAYER then there wouldnt be a need to PLAY at wanting to drop Syria… they could just tell the story and slide right into it and no one would even see another story or direction. If there was just one shot caller then all the infighting and shuffeling of advisors and changes of policy make no sense since a force that could really control that much wouldnt NEED to pretend. It could just press the button anytime it liked…the guys in the missile subs and silos are trained to follow orders. The guys in the bio-war labs follow orders. The drone pilots follow orders. The government hit teams follow orders.
Any one force with total control over the mechanisms of power of all the major governments wouldnt need to do false flags or media sideshows. I think the "stupidity" and apparently self defeating actions you see is just various levels of power and influence pushing and fighting with each other like a bunch of paper pushers in an office power strugle
No Finland was where they put the swine/bird flu shots together and then told them they didn't even need to test them because they totally had them covered. But one Finnish guy said No Way! and it killed all 9 ferrets. They had a nice funeral though. Supposed to be for the entire country. Turns out it was just all a big mistake and then we never heard about it again.
I agree there are a lot of players. My theory is that they are all a bunch of idiots. These little meeses have been trying to rule the world ever since they figured out there is a world to rule. Funny how they can't even rule themselves. JimBob from fluorida who can't rule hisself too good either, but he don't go and try to rule anyone else.
A bunch of Aristocrats dont need to conspire to keep their inferiors in their place or to have more in common with each other then everyone else. If there was an actual single master plan things would look way smoother and honestly things would have already progressed to an endpoint we wouldnt like by now.
As for Syria its a zero sum game in that the players want results that will give THEM more power and the other side LESS power. I cant really imagine any secret power that could guide so many players against their own interests would NEED to pretend anything. The tec exists right now to kill off a ton of people via sickness or war without any need to pretend.
The cold war made a ton of money for some western makers of war material AND made jobs for a ton of people in those industries… the army/airforce/navy folks who gained from the conflict didnt need to "conspire" with Industry OR with their opposite numbers in the USSR who were enjoying the same kind of benefits. Everyone just doing what suits them best can be plenty evil without any one guiding hand.
I'm in Damascus right now. To be honest, the people here don't pay attention to it, but of course it's due to the gullibility of the masses outside the country and "the chemical tax" forced upon them. These are my last two reports:
– https://www.activistpost.com/2018/04/syrians-rejoice-as-jaish-al-islam-capitulates-mainstream-media-pushes-chemical-weapons-meme-instead.html
– https://www.activistpost.com/2018/04/its-raining-mortars-in-damascus-again-mainstream-media-silent.html
I wrote a detailed analysis on the chemical wepons lie a couple of months ago: https://scrutinisedminds.com/2017/11/26/syria-the-last-word-on-chemical-weapons/
This time around, Sharmine Narwani discovered a chemical weapons lab in Eastern Ghouta two weeks ago: https://mideastshuffle.com/2018/03/22/terrorist-capabilities-laid-bare-in-an-eastern-ghouta-chemical-lab/
bas,
My hat is off to you sir!
Thank you for what you do!
And tell the Syrian people we love them.
We're concerned.
Will do. Strangely enough, they don't express hate towards to the Western tax cattle. Their energy is all about love 🙂
yann.k says:
https://www.rt.com/news/423627-russian-military-checks-chemical-douma/
bladtheimpailer says:
I think it best not to loose perspective as this 'really big shew' unfolds. While there are some valid reasons for this false flag event we should keep our eye on the much bigger game. Cui bono? Israel. Who conducted the 'retaliatory' attacks on Syria? Israel. What are the replacement costs on the cruise and S 200 missiles and other military goods that are used up? Will this kerfuffle help the Israeli agenda? Not really but it does kick the can down the road. What other stories does this attack replace in the 24 hour news cycle? Two perhaps, the Skripal false flag with attendant British political embarrassment and the absolutely atrocious criminal conduct of the Israeli armed forces in countering Palestinian protest against the occupation of their nation. What do the international elites think of this Syrian event or the Gaza event? Not a great deal as the delay of bringing Mid East gas via pipeline to Europe is not a shining priority to them as supply to the EU is adequate keeping prices and profits robust. Let us not forget that these elites are all inter invested in each others business endeavours and will at least receive dividends if they are not part of this exact consortium reaping the profits in this instance. We should also remember that Syria, along with Iran (and formerly Libya) are not members of the Rothschild Bank of International Settlements central banking One World Order banking system and are thus marked for being included whether they come kicking and screaming or see the light on the arguments for this system. Now if we want to we can get all caught up in the minutiae of White Helmets and other esoterica of this event but we should not forget what is really taking place outside of this particular theater and staging.
"The state(s) exist to enforce the dominance of elites. Everything else is propaganda, misdirection, obfuscation or terrorism up to an including total war."
Well, duh…. I mean, for what other purpose COULD they exist?
This is a solid overview.
Another thing that should really be held in mind is all the repetition going on. This is just another milestone we've seen several timea before.
Fawlty Towers says:
I think it best not to loose perspective as this 'really big shew' unfolds.
Also best not to _lose perspective of the fact that Trump has two of the twitchiest Twitter thumbs all told.
If he doesn't act on his promise to make "major decisions on Syria in the next two days" it won't have been the first time he's fibbed and likely won't be the last either.
I found this article interesting. After all, I'm pretty sure the talking heads are tired of his Twitter feed. I do like how they keep emphasizing this "rift" in his administration. It seems to me they get an awful lot done for having such a splintered administration. JimBob from fluorida who also thinks trumpy might be directing his rage and retaliation against people who are not Assad. Just saying.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/did-trump-s-tweets-syria-attack-lock-him-even-bigger-n863761
Apparently Nikki Haley has used the occasion of the UN Security Council emergency session to inform the world that Russian hands are "covered in the blood of Syrian children."
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/09/politics/haley-un-russia-syria-attack/index.html
When the Obama admin went Samantha Power went with him. I thought that was a bonus of the Trump win. Then I copped an earful of Nikki Haley. Whew. Does it really help to have these ranting harpies as high diplomats?
Mind you, every time Nikki goes a bit conciliatory the Animal does one of his chemical attacks and little children are covered in the water of Syrian hoses. Nikki has seen photos! And how many vodka empties, beetroot peels and sour cream containers in Syrian trash cans does it take before we realise who's behind it all? Nikki is on to 'em.
I get the point of this, but this whole "I beseech you, sir" stuff is so fundamentally sickening. We are still in the dark ages.
https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2018/04/09/an-appeal-to-james-mattis/
Also funny how even "patriots" use the phrase "false flag" so easily today. I also always like it when the petitioners act as if the prez is completely unaware of any of this. But I'm sure he'll be right on top of this article. JimBob
I'm glad nobody put the nuclear option off the table. Phew, we could have really bitten the bullet on that one.
Don't worry, everyone. The US "will respond" to this incident regardless of what the UN Security Council decides.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-09/pentagon-preparing-several-options-military-action-syria
Thank god, I was worried the US wouldn't launch a strike against the people who didn't carry out the "chemical attack". Glad the people who didn't do it will get what's coming to them.
I am reminded of Corbett's
Episode 320 – Echoes of WWI: China, the US, and the Next "Great" War
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-320-echoes-of-wwi-china-the-us-and-the-next-great-war/
UKJC says:
Kevork & Vanessa, a brilliant interview with so much detail. https://steemit.com/syria/@syrianaanalysis/exclusive-interview-with-vanessa-beeley . "Two Repentence prisons" "Russian Reconcilliation Centre" We do not get to hear about any of this in the MSM – "Change in Leadership in Jaysh al-Islam", "Syrian Army postponed the operation many times" No MSM coverage at all. Schools re-opening… etc but sadly East Ghoutan people may not experience the short freedom those of Allepo have recovered.
I pray Syrians will be spared the West's humanitarian intervention.
Just got through watching it. Incredible interview. I like how the same government that has halted their offenses against terrorists because they were afraid of the civilian casualties apparently only do so because they prefer to kill them with chemical agents. This is the story we are supposed to believe. If she were on Patreon, I'd fund her with the money I no longer donate to Ry Dawson, but she's not apparently. JimBob from fluorida who tries occasionally to do the right thing but isn't really that good at it.
asavetmd says:
James, Moon of Alabama has had a series of articles on this Tragicomedy over a period of weeks, the best of which came on 4/6 titled: "The Best Explanation For The Skripal Drama Is Still … Food Poisoning". The , a 'sarin-like" toxin, Saxitoxin, which has been synthesized by the empire into a nerve agent. Since no other patrons of the restaurant became ill, it was likely (by my reasoning), to have put in their food. It takes minutes to hours to take effect and the fact that it had to pass thru the liver first, put them out 40 minutes later. Now, ironically during the 2 week span of Western thru Eastern Easter, have been "Resurrected"! MoA's article is at http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/the-best-explanation-for-the-skripal-drama-is-food-poisoning.html#more
A Science website describing Saxitoxin is here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/saxitoxin
Deliberate Food Poisoning is what happened and the culprits are MI5 and or 6 with the CIA. Alexander Mercouris and Alex Christoforou of theduran.com have the best analyses of this crime by British Intelligence with these two articles:
http://theduran.com/skripal-case-misuse-intelligence/
http://theduran.com/3-reasons-why-uk-poisoning-incident-is-one-big-may-johnson-government-cover-up-video/
The next crime will be the kidnapping of both of them into 'the Witness Protection program' somewhere in one of the '5 Eyes' countries. Last but not least is the starvation murder of Skirpal's cat and 2 guinea pigs. His Vet called right away and offered to care for them and called several more times but were never called back. May and Johnson were manipulated several times as the story kept changing scenarios.
PS: Five of the israeli missiles were shot out of the sky by upgraded S-300 missile defense systems, one fell next to a runway but left the runway intact. One of the other two killed some Iranians and I'm not sure what happened with the 8th one.The S-400 works even better and the S-500 system will be available to Russia in the near future and there is an S-600 in the works. These systems actually work but the 'partiots' don't work and are essentially worthless according to Therdore Postol of MIT.
Patriot missiles don't work? I've been under two scuds that they did work on. But, those WERE scuds from a long time ago. Apparently, the Syrians are getting ticked at the Israelis for shooting at them from their territory. And Israel would really love to draw us into this conflict even further. Something I don't think trumpy really wants to do as much as he says he does. Israel seems to be a bit desperate ever since he got in office. JimBob who really doesn't miss seeing such things as missiles working or not working.
I just did a search on BitChute and YouTube with just the keyword "Syria". What an amazing difference! On Bitchute, you have a near 100% BS call on the whole thing. True, it is almost entirely very small "repeater" vlogs who merely spout off every rumor they hear on the net, but still it's consistent. YouBoob has all the official sites which don't delve into the actual situation very much, just the response to it. Amazing the difference when the market is allowed to have a say in it all. JimBob who knows that ain't nobody buying this one, so why are they even bothering? I suspect stupid has a say in it.
White Helmets 'Treat' Alleged Chemical Attack Victims Without Protective Gear
"…The Syrian Civil Defense, also known as the White Helmets, has published several clips and pictures, showing the alleged aftermath of the chemical attack in the city of Douma in Eastern Ghouta. The volunteers have reported a widespread suffocation in the area, which led to 42 deaths; the footage, posted on Twitter, shows the alleged victims, including babies in diapers, breathing through oxygen masks.
However, the rescuers appeared to be so focused on accusing President Bashar al-Assad of dropping a chemical bomb on Douma that they forgot to put on gas masks or protective suits themselves…"
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804091063367847-white-helmets-chemical-attack-syria/
https://southfront.org/iran-vows-to-respond-to-israeli-strike-on-syrias-t4-airbase/
https://southfront.org/russia-may-respond-military-to-us-aggression-against-syria-defense-committee-chairman/
DUBAI (Sputnik) – The Syrian crisis can only be resolved through political means, by a peaceful transfer of power, UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash said.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804101063407594-syria-crisis-not-military-solutions/
Russian Reconciliation Center warns of upcoming chemical weapons use accusations
(in Russian subtitled in English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=237bEJ3xm1w
at 2 and a half-minute mark
VoltaicDude says:
I think you're MLK/JFK/RFK assassinations report and interview are more important than you're reckoning.
WFP's book and you're work are going to get a lot of traction are "interest." Remember when the Senate underestimated the great popularity of MLK regarding a recognized national holiday to him.
They wrote it off as something they could just bury, but it stuck, on it's own, so to speak.
I saw Madeline ("we think it's worth it") Albright this morning on CBS (sans expendable Rose) pushing for war with Syria, lying about how the war-crimes-gas-attack in Syria was the Assad regime's and Russia's doing instead of a U.S. proxy attack.
I wonder how Amanpour (Rose's trans-self) will cover this U.S. atrocity and prep for a new genocide in Syria tonight?
But to the point, I think as a hot-button news development this might actually be a knee-jerk reaction to the WFP interview since the interview is so important and might get some great traction, which will further change the public landscape to something more troubling for the powers-that-are-but-shouldn't-be.
"They'll" just raise the stakes and start the regime change attack, that they've been looking to do for the last eight years, now in order to shape the media landscape with the gravitas of war and away from this really ground breaking development on the MLK/JFK/RFK assassinations.
If he doesn't start bombing tomorrow he will always have the Cohen fiasco Trump card to fall back on as an excuse.
Not informative but found it rather amusing coming from quora:
https://www.quora.com/Who-benefited-from-the-April-2018-chemical-weapon-attacks-in-Douma-Syria
but just for info – to 'lose', as in not to 'win', is spelled with just ONE 'O'. Two 'O's is the opposite of tight. 8-))
Unfortunately, I just watched Bombard's body language on trumpy as he was going over this syria thing. Whatever the behind the scenes stupidities are, he's getting his butt kicked according to her. I should probably look into his lawyer being raided, and something about Jeff Sessions, as they may have something to do with that (ya think?!). Grumble, grumble at some little bit of work which I gave to myself anyway. JimBob is, as you can plainly tell, not fit for fitting into any mold.
I know this seems off-topic, but the timing of the Trump lawyer raid is a bit off-putting for me. Anyway, I found this interesting clip from CBS that had the prez speaking on it. Dropping some killery bombs as well. I also watch Bolton. He's nervous in this one, and in the one in which Bombard's body language said trumpy looked like he was defeated and that we would probly go to war (can't include this link as it's on patreon now.). I suspect there is a lot of scheming going on behind the domestic scenes in the old us of a. I don't really agree with her analysis. She thinks it's a done deal, but if it were Bolton wouldn't have looked so worried. JimBob who thinks politicians is always scheming so he don't worry none.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrhmsD0F7kE
Will Cohen Raid Lead Trump To Attack Syria?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=21&v=c7bPjplgQXg
The lack of Australian mainstream news on the present Syria situation is news in itself. Most here would agree that there is a grave situation. Yet as I comb the Murdoch, Fairfax and ABC (truly gigantic government media) no Syrian tensions are mentioned except for a minor paywalled article in Murdoch's flagship. Just the usual stuff about China trade (serious face), sex scandals, TV promos, Commonwealth Games, someone wanting to marry a particularly flirtatious lamp post etc. (Okay, I made up that last bit, but you get the picture.)
One can only think that they are keeping their powder dry, letting the vague notion of chemical attacks just float about without having to provide detail or proof, just some generalised emotion which can be stoked or stifled on demand.
Impossible to know who finally makes decisions to headline or bury, and their exact motives, but it's worth looking at the timing of these news brown-outs. And I note how a certain furiously independent media source has just attacked two of the loudest and most authoritative voices on Syria. Why now? This Beeley-Bartlett business has had some interesting timing. Like, major war looms over Syria and these girls have been potty-mouths and disrespectful to doctors? We headline with that?
I only get a few shreds of info by trawling through sites like Corbett, ZH etc. If one part of the information spectrum were browning out and distracting that would be odd. When all parts are doing it that's beyond odd. Or maybe there is only one big media spectrum now?
generalbottlewasher says:
Robert.t, couldn't help but be curious on your use of "big media spectrum". Nice turn of phrase and I was wondering if you where familiar with Elana Freelands trilogy of latest works?
'Under an Ionized Sky-From Chemtrail to Space Fence Lockdown' and 'Chemtrails,HARRP and the Full Spectrum Dominance of Planet Earth . In turn, leads me to ask an Aussie on the ground, which I am assuming you are, a couple questions to verify some thoughts and dots, if I may?
1. How large is the American military presence precieved by the average person, there in Australia.
2. Are the skies there full of tankers dumping chemtrail nano-particulates daily and has it been mentioned in any of the papers?
3. If so was it ascribed to NATO-UN Kyoto,RioDejanero, Agenda 2030, climate change Paris Solar Radiation Management any you may remember?Was it ever linked to the drought and awful fires we heard about in the MSM awhile back here in Ok, USA?
The connection to Syrian conflict may not be that far of a stretch. Recently the talks here on TCR touched on the Zion Oil prospectus of drilling in Israel and it inturn connects to HARRP in several ways. The location is the most revealing aspect. The fault lines run directly through Israel north to Syria and like all great deceptions of mass destruction the dots aligning Syria, Iran , Lebanon and Israel are painting a Surratt like picture. Im sure the money being raised in Dallas has more than one intended use. We'll see if Syria goes the way of Fukushima, Christchurch or Sichuan if the other efforts fail to get the job done.
Thank you if you can spare a moment to respond and for any observations from the ground. Cheers GB.
General, I live in a rural area of the NSW mid coast and don't have much to do with the city. (Lots of Sustainable Development in Sydney, never-ending construction of light rails to add to traffic, cycleways-to-nowhere, unused desal plant costing more than half a million every day, world's best coal resources wasted in ageing clunkers while we go "green" etc etc. You know the drill.)
Where I live things are clean. My only complaint is that living on forest edge makes gardening impossible because of the swarms of wildlife, so I just concentrate on moso bamboo, which only needs protecting for a month every year.
The weirdest thing, beside all the green waste and destruction, is the "thunderstorm asthma" which killed people in Melbourne a few years back. What should have been a serious affair was explained away and forgotten in no time. It was our Builing 7, as far as I'm concerned. But the media here is so corporatized and centralized that they can explain away anything. To this day, Australia's most hated monster is a man called Martin Bryant, who was supposed to have transformed into an evil version of Chuck Norris to murder dozens of people at Port Arthur with a wounding and kill rate not even seen in movies. Before reverting to the gentle and confused young man he was.
The truth about Australian climate is that, to paraphrase the line in Casablanca, it is like most climates only more so. You simply don't need to generate disasters here. The world's greatest known inferno occurred in Victoria in 1851, while the NSW flood of 1956 formed an inland sea the size of England and Wales to the west of Sydney. Our droughts, like that of 1902, make you wonder how anyone or anything persists here. But they end, usually with a flood disaster.
The problem is that it is easy to lie about climatic extremes here. If you are urban, young and glued to a screen you can be easily persuaded that some weather event is new, or, to use a favourite word of our Green Betters, "unprecedented". So the trick in Oz is not to create extreme weather – you get that for free – but to lie about it.
I know I haven't answered many of your questions, but that's how things look from here. I should add that the autumn on the NSW coastal fringe is pretty close to paradise so it's hard to feel bad about anything for the moment.
Robert t.Thanks mate.from one of the queens Poet and Musician I. Anderson, goes something like, 'your screams are of silence ,your deafness a shout'.probably from " Thick as a Brick, 1973.I could be wrong. American culture formed from so many British influences . I can't say I like David Icke but I do respect his intellectual probing. He pointed out the two most infuencal books inquiring minds should read to understand the ruling elite. Those are 1984 by G.Orwell and Brave New World by A. Huxley. Icke may be completely full of rubbish however he made valid points about the two mens books and their relationships to one another. That being one is a reptilian terrifying psychopath and the other a brave empathetic Cassandra type warning humanity of what's in store if the other gets their way.
Our sky is daily being assaulted by jet tankers and complicit commercial jet airlines with horizon to horizon chemical /contrails. They are quite easily visible dispertions ,leaving the sky a milky white. I haven't seen a blue sky in weeks. Our sun sets are white-ish and appear like the sky is full of smoke, not so much as cloud. Even though we should be having spring it snowed April 7th and today, April 14 its +0c. The 12th was so hot and humid we ran our A/C all day . It felt like we were in a microwave . No discernible front came or went ,just planes and ice nucleated spraying and the microwave. Oh I almost forgot the 4.3 or so earthquake. Never a dull moment round 'ear.
That's how to do it. Fear is what they feed on so its open source news or open source inquisition . You were kind to respond , sounds like paradise down under. Cheers mate!
Dang! Those fracking-induced Oklahoma earthquakes. That state is going to crack apart with so many earthquakes.
It is cold (40 – 60 F) and VERY windy down here.
But I got the garden going with much more to do.
Peaches are growing on the trees. Peppers and tomatoes are starting to form. Seeds coming up.
Somewhat OT but live RT US Judicial Committee session with Zuckerburg – now – https://youtu.be/Mz5adc_HswU
Thanks for the link. Am listening. Data is not happy about anything resembling privacy for users. JimBob
Data thinks like a power point presentation. He organizes like one too. "His team" will insulate him from any direct knowledge of wrongdoing. He also stands strong on the side of TIA. I don't think this is an OT issue. Tangled webs are always plentiful in the land of deception. JimBob who knows when a weasel is being weasely.
I think I just heard the really important part of all this meeting. Data will be working with congress on how to regulate the internet. (80s music for this song) It's the final countdown! du-du-du Yep, while Syria angle falls apart, we have all these important developments being swept off of the headlines. I do so love the theater. JimBob who thinks that it is possible that war isn't really on the table with this deal, but that a lot of bad stuff is not going to get talked about instead.
I logged off the net long before this was done yesterday, but this was a chilling interview. I don't think it's that OT as these are the things that happen whenever trumpy is in something loud like the latest Syrian obvious false flag. It is obvious that the government wants to use FB and other companies to target groups. ICE using the internet to deport people is just the first domino to fall. Because all illegals are all over the net. They hold the stick and then offer the carrot; this is every senator speaking. JimBob whose learned how to speak governese a long time ago.
Days before Chump stated he wanted to "reduce US presence in Syria", my nephew who is in the marines had new orders to be sent to Syria…
Chump is a zionist puppet, and because the news is owned by the same zionists, the fact that America was actually moving forces into Syria while traitor Chump was stating the opposite, Americans can rarely get the info to put two and two together.
Deployment takes time. Were't they ready months in advance to invade Iraq?
There is a reason the populace is kept as stupid as possible.
Another false response? Missile response that will ultimately hit nothing and only cost us another 1/2 billion that could have been used for infrastructure that actually could make us great. Quick fizzle while the Zuck speaks out in the Senate. He is certainly not happy with the Trump Administration having a say in who gets targeted in an obvious move to use the internet as a law enforcement tool. The raid on Cohen's office as well. I'm sure there are a lot of other things flying under the radar now that we have an obvious false flag event with an obvious false response on the radar and the obvious false threat of imminent war is once again on the false horizon. Not that one of those countless pegs in the bureaucracy we call the military won't screw up and push the wrong button in their technocratic false response. JimBob who is highly amused at the way the world just keeps spinning round and round.
Truth bombs dropping from the MSM. This is good to see.
Tucker: Would war against Assad make US safer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSGf2ZpDENU
Tucker: Why is Washington united behind a war in Syria?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-yba3R6IBY
And his interview with Theo Padnos was particularly short, effective and to the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-qaILoGmFo
I'm confused. Do they WANT us to know this is a false flag op in Syria? While Tucker may very well be a well-meaning and naive journalist, I'm sure that trait doesn't fly all the way up the chain. Are they just de-escalating now that they've hidden so much of their dirty laundry? I'm pretty sure every country but Syria has been able to sweep a lot of stuff under the rug while all of this has been going on. I'm not saying they staged this, but since it was openly predicted; I'm thinking no one let this crisis go to waste. JimBob who also thinks this might lead to us getting out of Syria.
From a journalist who once was held captive by al-Nusra for two years says:
…We (the Western block) don't know who we are giving our money to…
…But before we go starting any wars, we should investigate properly, and we cannot do that now, because we cannot access the scene of the crime.
I take issue with:
we don't know who we are giving our money to
The U.S. darn well knows who they are giving money to.
"We saw images so something happened" intones Carlson.
Nobody can go into these areas without getting kidnapped or decapitated so we can't know what's happening…?
Does that reinforce the idea that the Beeleys, Bartletts and Narwanis or the folks who questioned local inhabitants about the alleged chemical attacks can't possibly have info and consequently must be dismissed…?
Apparent backdown? Is this yes-no yes-no approach designed to make people desire war out of excruciating suspense so as to "get it over with"? (like I shot santa before?)
I would believe local victims before I would believe any government report.
local victims whose testimonies were gathered by whom?
Good point. You are right.
If I were to make an error in my evaluations, I prefer to choose the community (Syrian people) which just wants to be left alone to sort out its issues.
Anything the U.S. government touches turns to shit.
rueckl1b says:
Seems a strike on Syria is now ordered:
https://www.rt.com/news/423757-syria-strike-alert-eurocontrol/
Europe air traffic control issues alert over 'possible air strikes on Syria within 72 hours'
Also Macron seems o be ready
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/emmanuel-macron-erwaegt-militaerschlag-in-syrien-a-1202250.html
Looks like the launch of the Libya campaign.
Not good …
This time Russia is warning
https://www.rt.com/news/423758-russia-warns-against-syria-strike/
So will it be a fake attack like the one last year where no missile hit anything of worth somehow agreed with Russia to pacify the American falcons?
We will see
This does look bad.
I don't know how are US backed terrorists faring against Assad, but if these guys get a wiff of things definitivelly going down the drain, they'll be ready to go all in. They invested too much in these current positions and will be ready to protect them, I'd bet, at all cost.
Or, we can promise them asylum and lie about it. Not that I would ever openly condone unethical behavior. JimBob who believes in being upfront about his complete lack of integrity.
I'm all in on lying about asylum, it's crazy enough to work.
Just poked around the net and found some desultory mentions here and there of Syria in the mainstream journals, but very little. In my childhood, Suez and Cuba rated constant updates and headlines. One exception today: Figaro, which led with stories which might give the impression of major events in Syria. There was even an opinion piece given prominence calling for French non-engagement, though there was also general acceptance of the gas attack by Assad.
Otherwise, next to nothing.
Strange business, this co-ordinated media brown-out. I'm not one who sees catastrophe round every corner. Events may fizzle, the gas story could be left floating till obscurely discredited months from now. But the universal media quasi-silence over such a risky confrontation is very weird and Bilderbergish.
Security Council fails to adopt three resolutions on chemical weapons use in Syria
"…Ahead of the Security Council meetings today, UN Secretary-General António Guterres had repeated his call on 15-member body to "find unity" on the issue of use of chemical weapons in Syria and ensure accountability…"
https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/04/1006991
In the article above China is reported to have abstained from the U.S.-penned draft vote and voted for the one penned by Russia:
"…China supports an investigation of the alleged use of chemical weapons in Douma, Syria, a Chinese envoy to the United Nations said Monday…
…He expressed the hope that the parties concerned will take a constructive approach, engage in consultations to seek a solution, discover the truth, avoid the recurrence of chemical weapons use, maintain the unity of the Security Council, and work to advance the political process in Syria.
The Syrian conflict has entered its eighth year, inflicting tremendous suffering on the Syrian people, he said, adding that political settlement is the only way out. The international community must remain committed to the political settlement and effectively respect the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of Syria, he said…"
http://en.people.cn/n3/2018/0411/c90000-9447728.html
Chemical weapons inspectors head to Syria as White House mulls response to Attack
"…Trump said Monday that he would decide within 48 hours how best to respond, but the impending visit of experts from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons may push the timetable further out…
…In Damascus, the Syrian military was put on alert as measures were taken to protect airports and military bases against a possible airstrike.
The USS Donald Cook, a guided missile destroyer, arrived in the eastern Mediterranean in recent days.
At day's end, it was uncertain whether a military strike had been averted, or merely delayed."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chemical-weapons-watchdog-to-send-investigators-to-syria/2018/04/10/fd18a736-3cd6-11e8-a7d1-e4efec6389f0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cdf4351e7e83
US allies warn of action on suspected Syria chemical attack
US, Russia exchange words
"…The Russian Ambassador to the United Nations, Vassily Nebenzia, traded barbs with US Ambassador Nikki Haley at a Security Council meeting on Monday, saying a US military response could have "grave repercussions.
Russia is being unpardonably threatened," Nebenzia told the meeting. "The tone with which this is being done is going beyond the threshold of what is acceptable, even during the Cold War…"
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/10/middleeast/syria-chemical-attack-france-response-intl/index.html
YEREVAN, APRIL 11, ARMENPRESS. British PM Theresa May told US President Trump yesterday that Britain would need more evidence of a suspected chemical attack by the Assad regime before joining a military strike against Syria, the Times reports.
https://armenpress.am/eng/news/929455.html
Chemical Weapons Definitely Used in Syria Attack, U.S. has 'Own Mechanisms' to Probe
"…The U.S. does not doubt that chemical weapons were used on Syrian civilians in Eastern Ghouta, and is set to use its "own mechanisms" to investigate the attack, the State Department said Tuesday.
"The United States is convinced and knows that some sort of a chemical weapon was used," spokeswoman Heather Nauert told reporters when asked whether the U.S. will wait for an investigation by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)…
…Citing the OPCW's announcement that it will soon gather evidence on the ground, she said Washington sees the group as an "impartial body" able to collect evidence but that the U.S. government also has its own mechanisms…"
https://www.albawaba.com/news/chemical-weapons-definitely-used-syria-attack-us-has-own-mechanisms-probe-1115470
I know it looks serious, and it may very well be serious, but the entire affair just seems so contrived that it's difficult for me to take it seriously. I'm sure the alliances are being built, at least for regional controls, but my guess is they want to stop short of war. But they are not talking about a lot of other stuff with this syrian thing going on. Something that had been predicted to happen some time ago. I just think it makes for a really flashy curtain behind which you can hide a lot of other junk. But that doesn't mean that everything can't just go to hell in a hand basket at a moment's notice! JimBob who likes to present a balanced view of his madness when he rambles.
"I know it looks serious, and it may very well be serious…"
nah, sounds like a staged bunch a muster and bluster from both sides.
sounds more like establishing the exact line that divides the world into two to know who the good guys and the bad guys are.
Don't forget, Putin was Time magazine's 2016 'Man of the Year'.
Looks like Trump's accomplishing his mission of imploding U.S. credibility and the American Dream, appearing… predictably incompetent from any point of view.
Having said that, my entourage is convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Assad's been chemically gassing his people…from father to son…forever…
Well, they did have a lot of stuff to sweep under the rug. There is legislation coming through to start openly weaponizing the net. ICE to use it to get illegals. Actual roundups. Not enough cops to round up all of the people dissatisfied with government. On the bright side, thanks to all of my snide comments whenever some government official bungles something up, my neighbors are starting to doubt the wisdom of government. Though many can't conceive of why the tv would lie to them. Cut me some slack, this is fluorida. JimBob who ain't really trying that hard anyway.
There aren't enough cops to subdue 10% of the population, forget about the rest. That's why they have to work so hard to supress them mentally.
In fluorida there is a case in which a crack head may actually be a determining factor as to how cops can abuse their search powers. In The entire legal system of fluorida v. a random crack head; the state just might lose. There's no way you can suppress the average person enough for the cops to NOT look stupid. JimBob who grew up in a place where the cops didn't stick their noses where it didn't belong.
Another absurdity I just noticed: England of the Russian nerve agent hoax peoples needs more evidence in this one. Well isn't that a high and mighty moral soapbox to jump on! And so many things that don't get talked about there as well; such as the thought police in the land that inspired 1984. JimBob who thinks that trumpy would rather leave the genocide in the middle east to the sauds while he gets to work on asia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsfJdpglHE
This is getting beyond surrealistic…
How did the rebels let that one slip??
Yet, I'm sure that if I showed it to my family and friends they'd shrug it off as conspiracy drivel… which it may conceivably be, I guess…
You are entering into another dimension…….
Thanks Rod…
Apparently more of the same: From August 2017 saying footage goes back to 2013…?
https://www.activistpost.com/2017/08/video-shows-terrorists-teaching-children-to-fake-chemical-attacks.html
posted september 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNI-wS-2nG0
Purportedly the original posting of this video:
Ajoutée le 19 sept. 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSYR6NoGkD0
Mediapart this morning (Wednesday,April 11th)
Russia says it will detroy any missiles fired at Syria as well as their place of origin representing a serious escalation in the war:
https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/international/110418/syrie-moscou-menace-de-frapper-des-sites-de-tirs-de-missiles
From the Nouvel Obs:
West has decided to maintain their determination to strike Syria despite Russian veto.
"…Les Occidentaux ont maintenu, en dépit du veto russe à l'ONU, leur détermination à riposter fermement à l'attaque chimique présumée imputée au régime de Bachar al-Assad et faisaient toujours planer mercredi la menace de frappes militaires en Syrie."
https://www.nouvelobs.com/monde/guerre-en-syrie/20180411.OBS4947/syrie-la-menace-de-frappes-occidentales-se-precise-malgre-le-veto-de-moscou.html
For those keeping track at home, the US-backed UNSC resolution calling for "a new inquiry to ascertain blame for chemical weapons attacks in Syria" was vetoed by Russia and Russia's resolution calling for "investigators to report to the Security Council, which could then attribute responsibility" was voted down.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-un-vote/russia-fails-at-u-n-in-bid-to-create-new-syria-inquiry-idUSKBN1HH388
So Russia has vowed to not only shoot down any American missiles fired on Syria but "even the sources from which the missiles were fired" and Trump has responded by promising the missiles "will be coming, nice and new and 'smart!'"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/trump-warns-russia-missiles-are-coming-syria-after-moscow-vows-shoot-them-down
Oh, and in case anyone still cares it seems likely that the UK government killed the Skripal's pets as part of their Skripalgate cover up:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-10/skripals-pets-were-sacrificed-cover-investigations-mistakes
The comment sections below the trump warns russia article pretty much show what the average person is probably thinking, if they are thinking about syria. They all seemed disgusted that we are in a country where the president will just go to war over the slimmest of pretenses of cause. It seems almost no one on the internet sites believe the us of a is on the side of right. While it is quite possible our big brain masters are stupid enough to go on through with this; I really doubt it now. My guess is that Syria was something that was going to happen, and everyone just did some laundry while that show is going on. JimBob who really hopes he's only half right. That there is no war, but also they won't get away without paying for that load of laundry!
So Russia has vowed to not only shoot down any American missiles fired on Syria but "even the sources from which the missiles were fired" and Trump has responded by promising the missiles "will be coming, nice and new and 'smart!'"
'Smart missiles' should hit terrorists, not legitimate government — Russian diplomat
"…The United States' hypothetical missile strike against Syria may destroy evidence related with the alleged use of chemical weapons in Eastern Ghouta, Zakharova said. "Have the OPCW (Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) inspectors been warned smart missiles will eliminate all alleged chemical weapons-related evidence on the ground?" she said. "Or is the real purpose to promptly eliminate the traces of a provocation using smart missile strikes to create a situation where international inspectors will have no evidence to look for?"
http://tass.com/politics/999038"
"Trump just tweeted that a strike on Syria is imminent
And then he tried to make nice with Russia, Syria's ally, in the very next tweet.:
"Our relationship with Russia is worse now than it has ever been, and that includes the Cold War. There is no reason for this. Russia needs us to help with their economy, something that would be very easy to do, and we need all nations to work together. Stop the arms race?"
04:37 – 11 avr. 2018
By Alex Ward@AlexWardVoxalex.ward@vox.com Apr 11, 2018, 8:50am EDT
I see, in my mind's eye, a shadow Cambridge Analytic running a public response data scan. There is a 97% chance the public will be so stupefied by all that is going on, that all sorts of even worse things can be implemented under their cover. JimBob who finds that burning a bowl before you read the morning news provides one with the best perspectives.
Hotfoot says:
No offence, but I don't feel that advocating drug use has any place in this online community. More likely it will only be used against us as a whole, despite how we behave individually.
Then don't advocate.
Interesting fact.
ALL governments occasionally use chemical weapons against the people.
"A chemical weapon (CW) is a specialized munition that uses chemicals formulated to inflict death or harm on humans. According to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), "the term chemical weapon may also be applied to any toxic chemical or its precursor that can cause death, injury, temporary incapacitation or sensory irritation through its chemical action. Munitions or other delivery devices designed to deliver chemical weapons, whether filled or unfilled, are also considered weapons themselves.""
"Nerve gas, tear gas and pepper spray are three modern examples of chemical weapons."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapon
…and FLUORIDE.
UK submarines 'move within missile range of Syria' – May joins Trump in Russia FACE-OFF
Earlier today the BBC said Mrs May was set on launching a military response.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/944800/syria-news-uk-submarines-missile-strike-usa-donald-trump
"…"Alexander Zasypkinhad, warned Russia would shoot down US rockets and "even the sources that launched the missiles".
Questioned whether Vladimir Putin feels a necessity to "retaliate against the retaliation", Mr Yakunin said simply: "We are living in a world of fake information."…"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/944891/world-war-3-Vladimir-Yakunin-Vladimir-Putin-declares-US-Russia-close-hot-war
Israel latest to back MILITARY ACTION in Syria as Netanyahu signals he is ready for WW3
"…He also appealed to the Iranian people, saying: "The regime is oppressing you and when this regime disappears off the face of the earth then our two peoples can live together once more in coexistence."
He said: "One great lesson that has been with us since the Holocaust: Murderous evil that is not stood up against spreads rapidly and gradually, and threatens all of humanity.
"The leaders of the free world wanted to prevent war and led to the conquest of all of Europe.
"Their unwillingness to pay the price to curb aggression early on, led to humanity paying the price."…"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/944877/world-war-3-Israel-Benjamin-Netanyahu-backs-military-action-Syria
Sickening. The bullshit level is off the charts.
From the same article, hows this for off the charts:
"…Israel was accused by Syria, Iran and Russia of being behind an air strike on Monday which hit a Syrian air base, killing seven Iranians and at least 14 individuals in total.
Israel strongly denies the accusations…"
Israel would be the main beneficiary of a war with Syria. No missile strikes yet? Every hour we don't have one makes it less likely we will have one. JimBob
Mark K. P. says:
i think they call it Chutspah.
but maybe he meant to say Hollowcaust.
Napoleon once called Talleyrand a quantum of shit poured into a silk stocking. Fashions change though not the content of the suit.
AND IF CONFIRMED…
"World War 3 ALERT: 'Crossed our red line' France WILL conduct SUBSTANTIAL strike in Syria"
"He [Macron] stated earlier today that the red line had been crossed and therefore the assumption has to be that there will be a French military strike, probably conducted with the United States of America in fairly short order…
…"It would be a surprise if there weren't a strike…
…A Downing Street spokeswoman said: "The Prime Minister held separate telephone conversations earlier today with Mr Trump and Mr Macron…
…"They agreed that reports of a chemical weapons attack in Syria were utterly reprehensible and if confirmed…
…"They agreed they would continue working closely together and with international partners to ensure that those responsible were held to account.""…"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/944665/World-War-3-Syria-news-Macron-Donald-Trump-US-France-strike-latest
One very clearly presented point of view (evoked earlier on this comments board)
1983 CIA Document Reveals Plan To Destroy Syria… For Oil
April 11, 2018 Niamh Harris
"…The trail of documentation and the manner in which the overarching agenda of world hegemony on the behalf of corporate-financier interests have continued apace regardless of party and seamlessly through Republican and Democrat administrations serves to prove that changing parties and personalities do nothing to stop the onslaught of imperialism, war, and destruction being waged across the world today and in earnest ever since 2001."
http://yournewswire.com/1983-cia-document-reveals-plan-to-destroy-syria-for-oil/
Tut tut, those bad scheming anglo-zio-fascists
Fortunately there's Putin and OBOR to the rescue.
from February 28, 2018
Western banks rush to gain deals on China's Belt and Road Initiative
"…Among the banks sending top-ranking staff to Beijing to court their business at the forum were HSBC, Bank of America Merrill Lynch, Credit Suisse and more…
Jim Yong Kim, World Bank (WB) president, said when attending the Second "1+6" He said "we applaud One Belt One Road, and we're working to support it in any way we can."
The Belt and Road Initiative is set to lead the world toward "a common community of a shared future for humankind," another vision devised by China out of its responsibility to respond to changes in the global landscape, and inscribed in multiple UN resolutions.
The initiative well serves the UN 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, according to UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres. In a message to a November forum in New Zealand, Guterres noted "clear synergies" between them.
Both strive to "stitch countries together in networks of trade and mutual gain," and aim to "deepen global connectivity," he said…"
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-02/28/c_137005861.htm
From March 2nd, 2018
"In the Competition over Syria's Reconstruction, China Is the Likely Winner"
"…President Xi Jinping's efforts to build a latter-day Silk Road have hit a roadblock: Syria's seven-year civil war, which obstructs the crossroads to Eurasia, Africa, and the Middle East.
So Beijing is vying to take the lead in rebuilding the war-torn country, even before the conflict has ceased.
In this, Xi is pushing against an open door. The Syrian government is determined to move ahead with rebuilding — in part to ensure its post-war sway over the battered country — but it needs international help with the estimated $250 billion price tag…
…This leaves the field open for non-Western investors, and indeed, last August's Damascus Fair — the first held since war broke out in 2011 — attracted Chinese, Russian, and Iranian investors and businesses to explore projects and investment opportunities.
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2018/03/competition-over-syrias-reconstruction-china-likely-winner/146366/
Silk Road or Pipeline? Ah, the glories of statism in offering choices that only serve to further enslave us. JimBob who always chooses C when given an A or B choice to answer that dangfool question what any fool can see is a setup anyway.
How could this impact events in Syria? Why did Saudi Arabia suddenly raise its prices…?
China to Cut Saudi Crude Imports by 40 Percent
"…Asian oil traders have struggled to understand how Saudi Arabia derived its official selling prices for May after the world's top oil exporter unexpectedly raised the price for its flagship Arab Light crude sold to Asian refiners…"
https://financialtribune.com/articles/energy/84422/china-to-cut-saudi-crude-imports-by-40-percent
War of Nerves: Why Trump is Unlikely to Launch a New Strike on Syria
© AFP 2018/ Jewel SAMAD
"…"Today's escalation in Syria occurs mainly in the information field," Matar believes. "This is a war of nerves. The victories of Russian military forces, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and its allies are ruining the plans of the US and Israel to divide Syria. I do not think that something will change dramatically in Syria. Russian troops are fulfilling their tasks and they will continue to do so."
According to the Lebanese general the ongoing crisis was caused by the fact that some parties involved in the conflict "have driven themselves into a corner." Currently, Russia, the US and their allies are on opposite sides; however, a solution could be reached through mechanisms of the UN Security Council, Matar suggested…"
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804111063455868-trump-us-syria/
Still think the following February 28th, 2018 article posted above (above, above…soon, once moderated) might better explain things:
Emmanuel Macron has said he has proof the Syrian government used chemical weapons in an air strike on civilians in the city of Douma.
The French president added he would decide on what action to take once all the information had been verified.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/syria-assad-chemical-attack-proof-emmanuel-macron-russia-uk-douma-a8301146.html
"Trump Rows Back on Syria Attack Timing as Russia Urges Calm…"
And mow this. Hey, doesn't this remind you of that time that we all thought we were going to have a nuclear war with North Korea? And all that happened was the patriot act and the NDAA (I think) got through the funnel again? Or that last time in band camp when they had a chemical attack? Does it seem like a trend to anyone else? Oh, here's the latest on the wind down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPAPxQ6tL_o
Thank you, America.
That guy Trump – he needs to go back to TV. All he does is stir the water until the mud comes up. Always sensationalism, always controversy, always aiming for the spotlight. He is directionless, and has dispersed attention, and he is a wuss with a loud voice.
Oh he has a direction. I'm not saying you'll like it. But he does have one! All this controversy provides a lot of good cover. JimBob who's learned that if you just let that fully automatic weapon rip, you won't see a cop in your neighborhood for days!
By the way, just on youboob. They had put all these mainstream video channels up for some reason. Guardian, Washington Post, etc. While all of them had videos for Data's time in the senate, I didn't see a single video about Syria. Coincidence? Yeah. Sure. JimBob who thinks trumpy ain't got but one trick pony in his schtick.
I was just listening to (Peter) Hitchins lambasting a guy on a UK radio show who called him "morally shakey" for demanding that evidence be shown of who did what in Syria BEFORE any military action is considered. The UK leader is talking about taking action without Parlimentry approval 🙁
I remember when I was a kid and thought that it must be me that was the crazy one. It's really not an improvement when you figure out it is the world that is crazy. We are the only species I know of that has made crazy part of our evolutionary path. JimBob who thinks the world makes a lot more sense after drinking his moonshine infused with those special mushrooms.
I don't think Trump ever left TV.
He's the best actor to play president since Ronald Reagan gave up the role.
Funny there haven't been more people leaving links and comments…
I've just checked Murdoch's news.com.au, which is his giveaway internet news in Australia. It's always full of indirect advertising and clickbait, TV network promos as news, as well as sport, gossip, scandal. No mention of Syria, just a small pic of Trump, and a headline about Putin warning him, way down in a corner.
In Murdoch's middle-of-road Daily Telegraph, nothing at all that I can find by casting my eyes down a long page of coloured goo about sport and scandals.
In his flagship The Australian, one article about Trump and Putin, nowhere near a headline, and probably just a reprint of a WSJ or Times article. The Australian has to maintain its "serious" profile – and why waste good syndication? (As I type, a Syria article has popped up. It's about the West's options there. Excuse me if I don't explore further through the paywall.)
In short, if you go looking, you might find a few shreds in Murdoch. Followers of Australia's left/luvvie media have assured me that there's been plenty of coverage in government-funded radio. Yeah, like all the punters can't wait to tune in to that. Just checked the Melbourne Age, sort of a NYT, Guardian and Washington Post in one horrible whiny bundle…and I got sick of scrolling. Syria is in there somewhere, but clearly we're not meant to stumble on it.
It's not a media black-out, but it's a brown-out. We're not yet to be told if we are at war with Eurasia or Eastasia, or if we are at war with anybody. In fact, this might not be Oceania. You know how it is some days, Winston.
Yep, on my youboob start page, we have the WP going over data's testimony and Comey. PBS going over somebody's graphic sexual relation details, NBC all about the Mueller investigation, but then a separate one by NBC News is all about Syria. You would think that WWIII would get a little more attention than this. Sure Data's testimony was riveting, but potential nukes make for a good lead as well. Or did I miss something in that journalism class that I briefly considered taking some 25 years ago? JimBob who is absolutely convinced that he lost not one minute's sleep over Syria event. And why should I? My entire life has been spent under the shadow of the bomb; why start worrying now?
Never mind, Syria Smyria ; it'll be ANZAC day soon and the Murdoch media will trumpet Aussie prowess in all the wars we've fought o.s. for foreigners and banksters.
Here's a tale from my cab driving days maybe fifteen years ago. Carrying an ex army medico to have a drink with WWII comrades at the local RSL he tells me he cant stand most of them and doesnt know why he goes. Huh? says I. Several grisly stories to explain himself, maybe the worst about Aussie tooth collectors in his unit in New Guinea. When they heard the moans of Japanese wounded during the night they'd scurry out into no-man's land, kick in the faces of those unable to defend themselves, then extract the teeth into little bags to sort through later for gold fillings.
Ah the glory of it all, though i've never seen or heard anything similar in the news media in April so i guess this old guy was some sort of dirty Russian stooge. Although he looked English and about the age to have been a WWII vet
But I thought it was the other side that was evil! Ah, civilization knows no shame with its' hypocrisy. JimBob who knows no shame either, but he don't go around putting on no airs.
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Just for the record, Mattis is now urging caution on Syria strike:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/us/politics/trump-syria-attack.html
Mr. Mattis publicly raised the warning on Thursday morning, telling the House Armed Services Committee that retaliation must be balanced against the threat of a wider war.
"We are trying to stop the murder of innocent people," Mr. Mattis said. "But on a strategic level, it's how do we keep this from escalating out of control — if you get my drift on that."
From the Threaten-WWIII-First-Ask-Questions-Later Department
Inspectors Head to Douma to Investigate Alleged Syria Gas Attack
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/04/12/inspectors-head-to-douma-to-investigate-alleged-syria-gas-attack/
Inspectors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are headed to Douma, Syria, to investigate an alleged gas attack there. The attack was claimed to have happened Saturday, though no real evidence has yet been made public, and Syria is denying it.
Russian military police have been at the site in recent days securing it, and say the city is under full government control. This should make it easy for the OPCW to access the site, as both Russia and Syria have loudly backed the probe, believing it will vindicate them in claiming that the strike never happened.
andrei.td says:
Weapons made in Eastern Europe, paid by US / Saudi Arabia / UAE, flown on Azerbaijani diplomatic flights end up in the hands of rebels in Syria:
https://trud.bg/350-diplomatic-flights-carry-weapons-for-terrorists/
Syria chemical attack 'staged' with help of foreign secret service: Russia
https://www.yahoo.com/news/syria-chemical-attack-staged-help-foreign-secret-russia-105150641.html
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Friday said Moscow had "irrefutable" evidence that an alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria was staged with the help of a foreign secret service.
"We have irrefutable evidence that this was another staged event, and that the secret services of a certain state that is now at the forefront of a Russophobic campaign was involved in this staged event," he said during a press conference.
haraldmeling says:
Is the story falling apart?
Remember that Salisbury was staged to discredit the Russians BEFORE this event.
Will the World see the sanity in the Russian approach?
"… Ministry on Friday accused Britain of staging a fake chemical attack in the Syrian town of Douma last weekend, a bold charge that comes amid Moscow's stern warnings to the West against striking Syria.
A day before a team from the international chemical weapons watchdog was to arrive in Douma, just east of Damascus, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, said that images of victims of the purported attack were fakes staged with "Britain's direct involvement, " without providing evidence.
Konashenkov released statements by medics from Douma's hospital, who said a group of people toting video cameras entered the hospital, shouting that its patients were struck with chemical weapons, dousing them with water and causing panic. The medics, however, said none of the patients had any symptoms of chemical poisoning, according to the statements.
Konashenkov said that "powerful pressure from London was exerted on representatives of the so-called White Helmets to quickly stage the premeditated provocation." He added that the Russian military has proof of British involvement, but didn't immediately present it… ".
Should we hold our breath for the evidence to occur.
Knowing who the culprits are we should.
https://apnews.com/53e49e0d09c44436a135241cd87ba63a/Russia-says-alleged-chemical-attack-in-Syria-staged-by-UK
It's almost as if the story falling apart is a victory over the intel ops of the MSM. Even it's falling apart seems so contrived. No one is left trusting the MSM (looking at their numbers, no one really did anyway), we get out of Syria (am I getting ahead of myself? Who cares?), and all that legislation passed in the mean-while gets enacted and the people say "What?" JimBob who wonders how anyone could be so stupid as to think this scenario would work. Methinks the planners didn't this would work. Unless they're really stupid, which is quite possible.
That foreign secret service is reported to be the UK.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/russia-says-alleged-chemical-attack-in-syria-staged-by-u-k-1.3883665
But since they are blaming England (or UK if you're picky!) it makes me wonder if it's illegal for you to think this is a valid thought while you are in England. Can they arrest you for thinking this there? How many seconds of freedom would I enjoy in England? Ans: All of them. JimBob who just loves it when the very source of all the problems (intel agencies) get caught up in their own webs. Only the institutions the public distrusts the most push the Syria story.
It certainly wouldn't be very patriotic, would it? And your love for the queen would come under scrutiny.
My, oh my! Wouldn't that affect your carrot rating (I think that was something close to that apps score thingamabob) if you are Canadian? How will James ever receive those rewards if he posts links pointing to un-good articles? JimBob who never has authorized thoughts and so will never be allowed to ride on the bus system what don't even exist in the dinky little town he lives in.
Oh, I fear James lost all of his privileges. He'd probably be met like Maradona when he landed in Italy after evading taxes for a decade.
At first I read Madonna, which conjured up an entirely different visual! JimBob who would believe we jumped into another dimension if nerds started getting treated like rock stars!
Tradition! From the fiddlers on the roofs kind of secret services! Ouy! Now go have fun! You are finished with these smeckels!
Have a wonderful vacation!
zyxzevn says:
Don't forget to check wikipedia and such on Sarin.
(Before it is edited away)
Is deadly on touch and can transport via water.
It activates all neurons and this causes muscle-twitches and suffocation. Substance is stable and can still be detected after 6 weeks.
It is not dirt that the White Helmets can wash of kids with bare hands and some water. My guess is that any real Sarin attack would have killed half the population there, and disabled many of them. There would be no-one capable to enter the area and record the video.
It also makes for a nice yellow starburst plume when it gets intercepted by a patriot missile right over your head. While it is certainly deadly, and those are absolute musts you describe, there is also a lot of hype on chemical weapons. Our chem detectors went off multiple times a day for over six months and I'm still standing. Not trying to undermine anything here, just that whenever the powers that inflame the masses talk about chemical weapons they always make it sound like one drop can kill a country. They don't work that way. In fact, they don't work well enough to use in war. Which is why they're banned, no one wants to fight in full MOPP gear. JimBob who still remembers that pretty plume that night.
It is nice to see someone with experience. I do suspect that some stuff is overhyped to make it seem worse. According to wikipedia it is listed as extremely poisonous and with long term effects.
I guess you mean the rockets that Saddam send towards the camps during the Gulf-war? Was that the same substance? Does the system also give alarms off when sulfur or phosphorus is detected? I have not heard of Saddam actually using them, just the media scaring us with it.
Anyway, I don't think that the White Helmets have a fully working detection system. Nor the CIA/MI5 working with them.
I studied seen some of the chemical warfare in the first world war, which was not so nice. And learned a bit of the Iraq-Iran war, where chemical weapons were used (some made in the USA). Starting with mustard gas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack
The victims often show clear traces as wikipedia explains. The Sarin is easy to investigate. And the muscle twisting is probably good evidence too. Washing dust off a bunch of kids with bare hands is clear evidence that it is not Sarin.
My memory of those detectors is they would detect the whole range of chemical agents, but not identify the type. One can determine the type by the reaction, but it's more important to suit up first. These detectors would also detect amounts that are far smaller than what would be required for a lethal dose. After all, what good would it do to have an alarm right by you that only went off to let you know you were already dead? But we had one of the sarin gases used against us. Don't worry though, the little pill the Army gave us (in its' infinite wisdom) to protect against this type of sarin only provided protection against the other kind that wasn't being used. It actually made the sarin gas being used more effective. Oh Army, I am amazed by your brilliance! JimBob wonders why people wonder why he wonders at why people wonder at why we have government to start with.
Sky News abruptly ends segment when former head of British Armed Forces questions Syria gas attack
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/sky-news-abruptly-ends-segment-when-former-head-of-british-armed-forces-questions-syria-gas-attack/
General Jonathan Shaw found out what happens when you don't stick to the pro-war script.
The former commander of British Forces in Iraq was abruptly cut off and had his segment ended on Sky News when he questioned why Syrian leader Assad would launch a gas attack on his own people.
Trump Orders Syrian Military Strikes, 3 Waves Of Airstrikes Launched At Various Targets
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-13/watch-live-president-trump-expected-announce-military-strikes-syria-tonight
Defense Secretary Mattis and Joseph Dunford, the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff provided the Pentagon's update, repeating that U.S., British and and French forces struck Syrias chemical weapons infrastructure tonight. Mattis said that "Clearly, the Assad regime did not get the message last year. This time, our allies and we have struck harder."
Statement by the Ambassador of Russia to the USA Anatoly Antonov on the strikes on Syria
https://www.facebook.com/RusEmbUSA/posts/772071403003252?_fb_noscript=1
The worst apprehensions have come true. Our warnings have been left unheard.
A pre-designed scenario is being implemented. Again, we are being threatened. We warned that such actions will not be left without consequences.
All responsibility for them rests with Washington, London and Paris.
Insulting the President of Russia is unacceptable and inadmissible.
The U.S. – the possessor of the biggest arsenal of chemical weapons – has no moral right to blame other countries.
"The first casualty of War is Truth"
The evening before the UN's Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons inspectors were to begin their investigation into an alleged chemical weapons attack the United States and United Kingdom decided to bomb Syria.
Let that sink in for a moment. This attack began BEFORE the investigation could take place.
The Guardian: Syria chemical attack: UN weapons inspectors to investigate site https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/13/chemical-weapons-inspectors-to-investigate-syria-attack-site
Because history often repeats itself, the lie that began the Iraq war (possession of "Weapons of Mass Destruction") was also facilitated through destroying the truth which took the form of murdering Dr. David Kelly, UK Biological Weapons expert and proofreader of the WMD dossier who raised concerns over how governments were "selling war to the public".
Corbett Report: Requiem for the Suicided: Dr. David Kelly
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-192-requiem-for-the-suicided-dr-david-kelly/
Meanwhile, investigative journalist Seymour Hersh documented that the United States was previously involved in Libyan weapons trafficking which supplied Sarin Gas to Syrian rebels.
Strategic Culture: Seymour Hersh Says Hillary Approved Sending Libya's Sarin to Syrian Rebels
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/28/seymour-hersh-hillary-approved-sending-libya-sarin-syrian-rebels.html
And Russia has been warning for weeks that a false-flag chemical weapons attack would be used as a pretense for attacking Syria.
CNBC: Russian military threatens action against the US in Syria
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/russia-military-threatens-action-against-the-us-in-syria.html
WEAPONS OF THE ISLAMIC STATE
A three-year investigation in Iraq and Syria.
Conflict Armament Research (CAR)
"This report is the result of more than three years of field investigation into Islamic State supply chains. It presents an analysis of more than 40,000 items recovered from the group between 2014 and 2017. These items encompass weapons, ammunition, and the traceable components and chemical precursors used by the group to manufacture improvised explosive devices.
Confirmed suppliers of diverted materiel: United States, Saudi Arabia", et al.
Report: Conflict Armament Research (CAR)
http://www.conflictarm.com/publications/
Report: PDF Direct
http://www.conflictarm.com/download-file/?report_id=2568&file_id=2574
Report: Balkan Investigative Reporting Network (BIRN)
The Pentagon's $2.2 Billion Soviet Arms Pipeline Flooding Syria
[September 2017]
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/the-pentagon-s-2-2-billion-soviet-arms-pipeline-flooding-syria-09-12-2017
Truthleaks: The Dilyana Files
https://www.truthleaks.org/news/343-the-dilyana-files-1403-email-attachments-posted
100+ missiles launched at Syrian military & civilian objects, many intercepted – Russian military
The majority of rockets fired in Syria by the UK, US, and France were intercepted by Syrian air defense systems, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
The warplanes and vessels of the US and its allies launched over 100 cruise missiles and air-surface missiles on Syrian civil and military facilities, the ministry stated.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/
Russian FM spox: US ruins Syria peace chance
Tehran, April 14, IRNA – The US and its allies attacked Syria at a moment when the country had got a chance for peace, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said on Facebook.
'The White House says its certainty about a chemical attack by Damascus relies on the media, on reports about symptoms, videos and photos, and also on credible information,' she said.
…Fifteen years ago the White House used a test tube. Now Washington has used the media instead of the test tube,' she said referring to the US invasion of Iraq in 2003.
http://www.irna.ir/en/News/82885693
and China's position?
during UN stalemate vote China abstained from Western draft and voted for Russian draft…
Syria strikes not a wise trump for Trump
By Zhu Ping | China Daily | Updated: 2018-04-14 12:22
"…People may have a sense of déjà vu when the US stands on moral high ground to "protect another country's civilians". On March 20, 2003, the US and its little brother launched the Iraq War with the excuse that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
But the reckless military move may evolve into, as a Chinese saying goes, "quenching thirst with poison". The strikes on Syria seem to be a good trump for Trump to bail himself out of domestic woes by deviating people's attention in the US…"
Thanks for that, manbearpig. It is very interesting to get China's take on this. I know you were probably trying to avoid comment moderation limbo in not posting the link, so I'll post it here for those who are interested:
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201804/14/WS5ad18206a3105cdcf6518457.html
You may always post links without the https:// part to "hack" it.
I find it very disturbing that the West again resorts to what seems like another false flag to stay in the Middle Eastern game.
Luckily it appears to be a limited strike with no Russians or Iranians hit.
https://www.rt.com/usa/424092-pentagon-strikes-one-time-shot/
Remember the strike one year ago? Looks like a replay.
Militarily it is useless unless somebody in the US wanted to test the capabilities of the S400 systems.
But that failed
https://www.rt.com/news/424103-100-missiles-launched-at-syria/
"To repel the attack, Damascus deployed Soviet-made surface-to-air missile systems, including S-125 (NATO reporting name: SA-3 Goa), S-200 (SA-5 Gammon), 2K12 Kub (SA-6 Gainful) and Buk."
So no S400 were employed.
As no Russians were hit, a counterstrike is unlikely.
For me it looks like that scenario was discussed between US and Russia.
Politically it will hit Trump, because he ran on an antiwar agenda.
As a German I am not satisfied with my government as they directly jumped on the war propaganda-train before an investigation. More restraint is always helpful especially for Germans.
What the sense of the theater is will be an interesting discussion.
"…For me it looks like that scenario was discussed between US and Russia…"
This seems very very probable to me too. Which means Israel in on it too. And allies…
All the world's a stage… for surgical strikes and YouTube truth.
I don't think this will negatively affect trumpy at all. His base is as blind as killery's. This will also be used to turn public ferver against Syrian involvement and lead to our complete exodus from that place. If nothing else, it can be a token to China (rebuilding contracts) as we look tough in those trade deals. This was actually fairly productive. MSM will lose even more hypnosis patients. Everybody got to bump chests and not lose any face. My guess is we saw less of a conflict between the US and Syria than we did of one between the factions in the US/allies. I think Trumpy edged out ahead. He does sound like a madman, but is our involvement overseas declining under his watch? Not that I really like how they want to change their focus onto watching ourselves. JimBob who has only read the corbett comments on the strikes effectiveness but it sounds like he called the strike right, but doubts those who wanted war will be held accountable.
Also, just watched Bombard's Body Language on Trumpy saying why he bombed them on Patreon. Read from a prepared, but unrehearsed speech, which allowed him to just read and not react so much. She thinks he is a victim and is defeated; but I disagree completely. There was a lot of political hay made in this affair and he's got the biggest pile so far. But he is walking a fine line and hay does burn. JimBob who has baled a bale or two of hay in his time. Not too much though as he don't think much of honest work.
Airstrikes in Syria "appropriate reaction" – Turkey
The Turkish Foreign Ministry has applauded the joint airstrikes on the Assad regime in Syria by the United States, United Kingdom, and France in the wake of a chemical weapons attack, Turkish state news agency Anadolu said .
ahvalnews.com/syria/airstrikes-syria-appropriate-reaction-turkey
From April 2nd, 2018
Russia, Iran leaders head to Turkey for summit on Syria
Putin, Erdogan to attend ceremony for Russian-made nuclear power plant before Rouhani joins them for discussions on Syrian civil war
"…Turkey and Russia have put aside their traditional rivalries and differences on regional issues to forge strong economic ties. In December, they finalized an agreement for Turkey to purchase Russia's long-range S-400 missile defense system, a deal that raised eyebrows among some of Turkey's NATO allies. Aside from the power plant, the two countries are also building the "Turkstream" pipeline to transport Russian gas to Turkey…"
timesofisrael.com/russia-iran-leaders-head-to-turkey-for-summit-on-syria/
What impact current events will have on this former felicity…
China could be the wild card if US attacks Syria
April 12, 2018 6:23 PM (UTC+8)
China has key interests in Syria
So what's at stake for China in Syria?
"…If the Syrian government is toppled by US military strikes and the armed opposition consisting of various jihadist groups, including Uyghurs, are allowed a permanent safe haven in Syria, they will continue to be trained and equipped as a more professional fighting force to attack China and partition Xinjiang, similar to the current partitioning of Syria…
…"As such, when the US military consistently threatens to arm Uyghur militants to destabilize Xinjiang and muses about mining waters around China's ports to cut off its trade and energy supply, it fuels the CPC's distrust of Washington's intentions for regime change…
…Given that Moscow and Beijing signed a defense pact in 1950, the establishment of a new version is plausible. Moreover, if China does not assist Russia when it is attacked in the Mediterranean, it may not be able to count on Russia's help in East Asia.
Nonetheless, Washington will likely discount this scenario and envisage a quick "shock and awe" victory against the Syrian government, in what The Diplomat's Franz-Stefan Gady coins as a "war gap" pathology – the failure to understand the true nature of military conflict."
atimes.com/china-wild-card-us-attack-syria/
For the moment seems this journalist got it right it…
From April 11th
Tucker Carlson Tells Truth About Syria The Jimmy Dore Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbQB1EQ32CE
Some of the clips of the MainStreamMedia are interesting.
It was refreshing to see anti-war voices.
(I don't listen to the show, just happened upon it.)
China opposes Western air strikes on Syria, calls for talks
Beijing accuses US-led operation of complicating efforts to find a solution to the crisis
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 14 April, 2018, 6:22pm
UPDATED : Saturday, 14 April, 2018, 11:44pm
"…Beijing-based military analyst Li Jie said Beijing should stand with Russia as tensions rose between China and the United States…
…"In this case, I think Beijing should stand firmly with Russia over the Syria issue. China is unlikely to send troops to Syria, but China would be on the same page as Russia when it comes to issues like supporting the Syrian government," Li said…
…"Beijing has been trying to mediate between the US and Russia. Beijing has good relations with the Syrian government as well as the moderate opposition parties, and China's special envoy to Syria often travels to Syria. This could help increase China's influence in the region," Li Weijian said.
He said he did not think the air strikes would develop into a full-blown conflict…
scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2141732/china-opposes-western-airstrikes-syria-calls-talks
So, the oil interests, and the grand chessboard players of the west, have lost. China will get the contract to rebuild Syria. Russia will have their oil markets secured. If we pull out of Syria, would Afghanistan be next? Trumpy talks a lot of pro-zion talk, but it doesn't really seem to be anything of substance. After all, trumpy's stance with Syria should be less vigorous than his stance with Iran. Syria splintering might get us a pipe-line (in a region filled with bandits, so that'll work out just fine), but taking on Iran gets us nothing. I think he has as much interest in taking on Iran as he does North Korea. Public freak outs, backdoor diplomacy. If Korea unites, the whole world will benefit. Now if we could just leave Africa…..JimBob who thinks old trumpy got a bunch done so far, even though he don't like a lot of it.
How believable is the "oil interest" aspect? Indirectly, oil is still immensely important, but it's also a very expensive resource, if we consider the military expenditure which is supposedly there to support oil flow. Major investments are always made into military, not oil infrastructure. To me, the oil looks like the red herring for people who managed to look past the basic cover story.
To be honest, I have no idea. I suspect the oil networks in the Middle East are far more complicated than the way over my head that I think they are right now. I also don't see Syrians just saying okay, we'll accept your rule over us. They've been fighting the whole world for the last 8 years or so. So, anyone trying to construct one, and the Syrians would know the pipeline would be the reason they had lost everything, might have a problem. JimBob who thinks there might be some rednecks in Syria that those big shots ain't figuring on.
The evening before the UN's Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons inspectors were to begin their investigation into an alleged chemical weapons attack the United States, United Kingdom and France decided to bomb Syria.
***For those who do study history, there is a preceding UN OPCW investigation that determined that chemical weapons have been used in Syria by terrorist organizations.
Exclusive: Chemical weapons used by rebels in Syria – sources
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-chemicalweapons/exclusive-chemical-weapons-used-by-rebels-in-syria-sources-idUSKCN0SU2PZ20151105
Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons: Reports
https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/the-fact-finding-mission/
***And yesterday evening NATO tried and failed to destroy the "crime-scene" of the alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria. This attack occurred hours before the United Nations Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) inspectors were to begin their investigation. Thankfully, the missiles targeting this location were neutralized by Syrian Air Defense and an investigation may still be possible.
Five Facts You Need to Know About the US-Led 'One-Time' Strikes on Syria
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/five-fast-facts-you-need-to-know-on-the-us-led-one-time-strikes-on-syria/
Telestai says:
Appreciated manbearpig.
Switched out my username since the original post.
New to this forum. Not new to the corbett report.
Thrilled to be part of an authentic research community.
Jeish Al-Islam's Chemical Weapons Production Workshops Discovered in Eastern Ghouta
Who Is the Real Culprit Behind the Chemical Attacks in Syria? A Brief History
https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-the-real-culprit-behind-the-chemical-attacks-in-syria-a-brief-history/5636254
Caught in a lie, US & allies bomb Syria the night before international inspectors arrive
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/424186-us-allies-syria-lie/
SYRIA: The Egregious Western Media 'Chemical Weapon' Fraud in Eastern Ghouta
By Vanessa Beeley (8 April 2018)
http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/04/08/syria-the-egregious-western-media-chemical-weapon-fraud-in-eastern-ghouta/
OPCW Fact-Finding Mission Continues Deployment to Syria (14 April 2018)
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-fact-finding-mission-continues-deployment-to-syria/
The Guardian: US 'locked and loaded' if chemical weapons used again
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/apr/14/syria-donald-trump-announcement-chemical-attack-live
"The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has announced that its mission had arrived in Damascus to investigate the allegations of chemical weapons use in Douma, Eastern Ghouta."
OPCW Mission Arrives in Damascus to Probe Alleged Douma Chemical Attack
https://sputniknews.com/world/201804141063554885-opcw-syria-douma-chemical-weapons-probe/
Solid journalism (on researching past Syrian chemical attacks).
NSNBC: Top US and Saudi Officials responsible for Chemical Weapons in Syria
https://nsnbc.me/2013/10/07/top-us-and-saudi-officials-responsible-for-chemical-weapons-in-syria/
Damn good post!!!
GE⊕ says:
Swiss lab says 'BZ toxin' used in Salisbury, not produced in Russia, was in US & UK service
http://bit.ly/2vcSU4f
Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian
http://bit.ly/2Hmwsum
Speiz Laboratory is a division of the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection.
https://www.labor-spiez.ch/en/lab/
London Review Of Books: The Red Line and the Rat Line
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
Only China, Bolivia join Russia to condemn U.S.-led strikes on Syria
April 15, 2018 at 09:00 JST
"…Russia's demand for condemnation and an immediate halt to "aggression" and "any further use of force" by the three Western allies got support from only two other countries on the 15-member Security Council–China and Bolivia.
By contrast, eight countries voted against the Russian draft–the U.S., Britain, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Kuwait, Poland and Ivory Coast. Four countries abstained–Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, Equatorial Guinea and Peru…
…Russia's Nebenzia called it "a very sad day for the world, for the U.N., for its Charter which was blatantly, blatantly violated, and for the Security Council which has shirked its responsibilities…"
asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201804150010.html
That's actually EXCELLENT news! No war! The US gets to act like a bully (for some reason we switched from standing up to them to being one. In the cultural ideal anyway), while Russia gets portrayed as a symbol of justice and morality. So, just like North Korea there will be no war, but just lots of legislation deployed against us. JimBob who don't care about their scribblings anydamnway.
sorry (mkey and candlelight), i accidentally pushed my reply to you fellas into the moderation queue by one link too many.
Meanwhile what looks like the really important stuff I overlooked before, even though in plain sight on the vid i linked to. apparently David Cole's entire FOIA dataset on 911 ;
http://tfrlive.com/rebekah-roth-9-11-source-files/
David Cole is a damn good researcher.
His integrity is stellar.
He and I sometimes exchange emails, and once skyped (I hate skype).
David Cole discovered this photo of John Gross (NIST) holding a thermite affected beam.
https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/figure-c2-jpg.29114/
Here is that lying sack of shit, John Gross, saying he doesn't know anything about molten metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcqf5tL887o
(By the way, if anyone knows who the fellow is in the video that asked the question to John Gross, David Cole would like to contact him.)
What's the point of the FOIA requests? One would have to believe the "government" would release sensitive data unedited. I don't.
With FOIA documents you have to rely upon the incompetence of the bureaucrats. Remember, there are Sgt. Bilkos in every organization! So let's not rule out anyting here. JimBob who can think of hundreds of reasons why people who like to play with systems might want to do such a thing. And that's not even mentioning the ones who just don't care.
This series of comments belongs on another thread over here…
https://www.corbettreport.com/fact-checking-newsbuds-syria-under-siege-video/comment-page-2/#comment-49815
Interesting article in the New York Post.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/14/trump-supporters-upset-over-decision-to-attack-syria/
These folks are mentioned/quoted as being very disappointed in Trump's pro-war Syria stance…
InfoWars Alex Jones, Michael Savage, "America First" backers, Ann Coulter, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, Tomi Lahren, Mike Cernovich
Hope you're sitting down for this one, folks. I know it's a shocker, but apparently Nikki Neocon Haley is promising that US troops are not leaving Syria until they obtain their objective. "Removing ISIS?" you ask, innocently. "No, silly!" she responds. "Making sure Iran doesn't take over the country?"
So, in other words, the US is not leaving Syria.
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/04/15/haley-says-us-troops-not-leaving-syria-rules-out-talks-with-assad/
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (aka that guy on his laptop in Coventry) is confirming that 2/3 of the US missiles were intercepted. Of course, the SOHR is 100% biased and forwards nothing but anti-Assad propaganda and should not be taken seriously, but if they (sorry, he) is confirming this, there's really no denying it. And that's without Syria even using any of its Russian-supplied, advanced S-400 air defense systems.
http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=89324
zabigs says:
Did you see this article? interesting – were the Syrian RC telling the truth and got shut down? coincidental timing of their shut down
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/04/09/red-crescent-says-no-evidence-of-chemical-attack-in-syrias-douma/
This RT video is pretty good. It gives examples of past administrations who bombed and killed people when they were in the hot spot politically, as Trump is now.
Trump's Syria strike distracts media from internal problems… Perfect timing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1o-B_O9VW0
martin.e says:
Are there any obvious mistakes in Belingcats take on Prof. Theodore Postols claims of the Syria Gas Attack ?
Professor Theodore A. Postol of MIT vs. The Concept of Time
https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/articles/2017/04/28/professor-theodore-postol-mit-vs-concept-time/
We already knew this, but just to complete the circle a "senior Israeli military official" has admitted that Israel was behind the attack on the T4 airbase in Syria last week:
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/israel-admits-to-syria-strike-in-first-we-hit-live-iranian-targets-1.6007914
And no sooner was this confirmed then Israel reportedly launched a new missile attack on Shayrat airbase near Homs:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-16/israel-launches-airstrikes-airbase-near-homs-syria
According to Thomas Friedman, who broke the T4 confirmation story, this is part of a confrontation between Israel and Iran over Syria that is about to come to a head:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/15/opinion/war-syria-iran-israel.html
I don't know about Friedman's assessment that Israel wants nothing to do with Syria. Weren't they working with ISIS there as well? Haven't they been targeting Syrian forces fairly regularly? I remember one that backfired and got one of their F-16s blown out of the sky, but I believe there have been many such attacks against the Syrians, not Iranians. JimBob who thinks trumpy should run from Syria anyway.
Israel has stated their objectives in the past for the Syrian war. "This is a playoff situation in which you need both teams to lose, but at least you don't want one to win — we'll settle for a tie," said Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli consul general in New York. "Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that's the strategic thinking here. As long as this lingers, there's no real threat from Syria."
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world/middleeast/israel-backs-limited-strike-against-syria.html
American and British Reporters Reach Douma, Syria: Discover There Was NO Chemical Weapons Attack
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-16/first-western-journalist-syrian-hospital-which-treated-chemical-weapons-victims
Just once I'd like to see these so called brave leaders go through some of the hell they love to bring to others. It doesn't take courage to have others do your killing for you. JimBob follows redneck rules and does his own fighting and nobody else's.
Ryan Cristian of The Last American Vagabond talks to Eva Bartlett about the "chemical attack" in Syria and the propaganda/smear campaign that surrounded it.
https://steemit.com/news/@tlavagabond/omuphe2m
Eva rocks! I'm actually glad that Sibel attacked her. Her patreon base has really expanded as a result. Over 200 new patrons backing her now. I'm proud to be one of them. By the way James, It's kind of funny, but even Sibel has recovered from her rage enough to speak out against this in a surprisingly well-done video.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cku8yc6NBEc
While I no longer believe her on anything anymore, it doesn't mean that I don't keep tabs on her. She even opened up the comment section on YouBoob for her latest video. There are two, but I only watched the one. JimBob who is glad that SE is resilient enough to recover from her melt-down, but he still listens to her with a ton of salt as he is not a forgiving type of person to those who lie badly.
Patrick Cockburn has a good perspective on the meaning of the recent bombings by the US, UK, and France.
"What we saw was not a demonstration of strength by the US, UK and France but a demonstration of weakness."
"The evidence for this, reflecting the real balance of power in Syria, is the list of targets that were not attacked rather than the three that were. Tremendous efforts were made not to kill or injure any Russians, as the dominant political and military force in Syria. The Iranians and Hezbollah of Lebanon were evidently out of bounds. So too was the Syrian army, including its elite divisions, heavy equipment and ammunition dumps. Unlike Baghdad in 1991, 1998 and 2003, there were no cruise missiles striking empty but iconic sites like the presidential palace or defence ministry buildings in Damascus."
"The restrained nature of the air strikes was sensible and realistic, reflecting the real balance of power in Syria. Assad is backed by Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and Shia forces from Iraq and has largely won the civil war. This is not going to change without an open-ended campaign of mass bombing in support of rebel ground troops like that which Nato conducted in Libya in 2011."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/17/syria-bombing-reveals-weakness-of-theresa-may/
Smart move. Get to bump chests and nobody "important" dies. The US has been at war for the last 17 years and is burnt out. We weren't really that good to start with, most of our advantages being technology. But if you have a weak infantry, all the technology in the world won't help you win. And we do have a weak infantry. Which is why we don't ever go head to head with anyone. We're too soft. JimBob who ain't that soft and cuddly but he does like his enemies to be that way. Of course, today his main enemies are all women, so warfare is a lot more fun than when he was in the army. They take the fun out of everything!
Robert Fisk, a verry very experienced journalist and multi-award winning Middle East correpsondent of The Independent, arrives in Douma to report. He says he is the 1st jounalist to visit the clinic where the 'alleged' chemical attack took place. He went alone ie. not accompanied by military to see for himself. Everything is operating as per normal in a hospital. He confirms the following:
1. The footage is authentic – he could recognise the location.
2. He spoke to doctors there who said that children were admitted coughing and spluttering.
3. The were admitted AS A RESULT OF NEARBY SHELLING and DUST FUMES!
4. Someone [a White Helmet] created panic by shouting 'gas, gas, gas' and they began following procedure as they would in a gas attack by hosing them down.
5. THERE WAS NO CHLORINE GAS ATTACK.
https://twitter.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/985954545682538499
Longer version:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html
A Brilliant podcast: "Secret evidence" "but the dog ate it" "Thwarted by a can of Febreze" review on Robert Fisk & OAN's report on Damascus. "#whitehelmets – just hop in the bus with the terrorists" @caitoz
https://soundcloud.com/going_rogue/ep-69-us-claims-russia-hacked-the-evidence-of-chemical-attack-in-syria
Hope you enjoy and share as far and as wide as possible 🙂
Global Research: Syrian 'Rebels' Used Sarin Nerve Gas Sold by Britain
https://www.globalresearch.ca/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-sold-by-britain/5636698
The Independent: The search for truth in the rubble of Douma – and one doctor's doubts over the chemical attack
Free Thought Project: Saudi Arabia Exposed as Secret Hand Behind Ongoing Syrian Regime Change Operation
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/saudi-arabia-revealed-as-driving-force-behind-ongoing-syrian-regime-change-operation/
That Global Research article was brutal! Loved how they just put out the chemicals that are the building blocks for sarin. Two phosphates can't be good. While I was reading that paragraph on sarin, all I could see in my head was the picture of that scud exploding over my head and that pretty yellow starburst plume. Two of those and I'm still here. Plus, that stuff pretty much saturated the air in Desert Storm. Chem alarms went off every day. Don't worry, the VA said we were all okay. Just can't ever give blood again. JimBob who can't believe that anyone who has ever been in the military can trust anything the government says.
Yes, it is still incredible to me how powerful the truth is in unraveling commonly held lies. And some of us have decided that it is high time to be bold and unapologetic in the speaking of truth to power.
Considering all the insane toxicity in this world, I am also grateful to be alive.
VoiceOfArabi, on another Syria related thread, posted a video.
I well like this video, because it summarizes things in Syria so well.
And it is from a MainstreamMedia News clip.
"…not put this in partisan terms. This is a U.S. mistake that started 7 years ago… …and we know they sent in the CIA to overthrow Assad, the CIA and Saudi Arabia together…."
"The Permanent State" (i.e. elections don't matter.)
Link below: for YouTube VIDEO Bombshell: Professor Stuns MSNBC Panel On Syria
https://youtu.be/_O2TRzA2ezk
Oh, about that VIDEO Bombshell: Professor Stuns MSNBC Panel On Syria
(Micah Brzezinski taken aback? She'd already invited the good professor previously on her show and knew his positions on the subject, just as he explains)
Intriguing that, amidst so much gratifying mirth and cathartic emotion, there was that little epithet that JudahFriedman slipped in there
at around 15minutes and 30seconds (now you see it now you don't);
"Amazing how many people who are for regime change don't believe in climate change…"
hey, just like John Oliver some time back at the 15 minute mark of his "Scientific Studies" sketch some time last year:
"…this is what leads people to believe that man-made climate change isn't real"…
youtube.com/watch?v=0Rnq1NpHdmw
I was astonished who this professor actually is: Jeffrey Sachs.
Probably anyone living in '90 in eastern Europe knows him very well.
He was a Shock Therapy economic doctor (a mf criminal), responsible for a lot of misery.
Now he is with UN. He is a globalist I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs
About Jeffrey Sachs from wikipedia:
"As of 2017, he serves as special adviser to the United Nations (UN) Secretary-General António Guterres on the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), ……. He held the same position under the previous UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and prior to 2016 a similar advisory position related to the earlier Millennium Development Goals (MDGs)"
Kenric Ashe says:
SMOKING GUN: Here is an interview with one of the children who were in the White Helmets' video filmed in the hospital in Douma, Syria where they staged a fake chemical attack. Also featured is the boy's father, the hospital itself, and hospital staff. They all explain what really happened. The only way to deny this is to simply not watch it, but willful ignorance is not bliss for those who continue to suffer under the thumb of Western imperialism.
https://www.facebook.com/kenric.ashe/videos/10156354622529214/
Screenshots: https://www.facebook.com/kenric.ashe/media_set?set=a.10156353026099214.1073741937.667669213&type=3
Source: https://yadi.sk/d/cTNQs9kM3UYTbe
Pink Floyd Frontman Leaks Email Exposing How White Helmets Recruit Celebs With Saudi Money (The Free Thought Project)
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/roger-waters-leaks-emails-white-helmets-recruit-celebrities-saudi-fundraisers/
lols https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=58286
The UK government is attempting to silence dissent from those questioning the massive holes in the Skripal poisoning case by claiming all their opposition is "Russian bots."
One of those "bots" identified by Whitehall is none other than "Syrian Girl," real name Maram Susli.
Susli responded to the accusations with mockery:
I'm that "#RussianBot" the @guardian and the British government warned you about. pic.twitter.com/Dj08ckfaBY
— Partisangirl 🇸🇾 (@Partisangirl) April 20, 2018
Here's how the state stenographers at The Guardian reported the news (which they've refused to correct for two days):
Russia used trolls and bots to unleash disinformation on to social media in the wake of the Salisbury poisoning, according to fresh Whitehall analysis. Government sources said experts had uncovered an increase of up to 4,000% in the spread of propaganda from Russia-based accounts since the attack,– many of which were identifiable as automated bots.
Theresa May highlighted the cyber-threat from Russia in her Mansion House speech earlier this year, telling the Kremlin: "I have a very simple message for Russia. We know what you are doing. And you will not succeed."
…May said afterwards: "Russia is using cyber as part of a wider effort to undermine the international system. This disinformation campaign is not just aimed at social media and the UK – it is intended to undermine the actual institutions and processes of the rules-based system, such as the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons. We must do all we can at every turn to challenge this."
The state not being allowed to lie people into war with total impunity is undermining our "international system."
The other "bot," Ian56789, also went on Sky News to refute the government's claims (his account was evidently later unsuspended).
Carla Ortiz Shocking Video From Syria – White Helmets Exposed as Terrorists & well-paid shills
Saturday April 21, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCu8mNC1JyE&feature=youtu.be
Thanks to VoiceOfArabi who posted this on the "Spontaneous Order" thread and also requested: Can any Newsbud member get this video to Newsbud members comment board to help them see what Sibel is doing to them?
BIG thank you HomeRemedySupply for helping me get the message across. I am a little clumsy when it comes to comments… I owe you one…
There was just that thumbs up for Robert Fisk that compels me to post the following article where he says what he thinks about 9/11 conspiracy theorists:
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-28461961.html
Also the end felt like a remake of the Agenda 2030 "17 Global Goals" video:
"I won't let my mother be crucified".
youtube.com/watch?v=RpqVmvMCmp0
But Ortiz's video otherwise seemed to contain shocking truth.
Fisk does have a point. After all, why would anyone expect a Middle Eastern correspondent to have an intimate knowledge of 9/11. And he offers some fair questions. However, I think it is a mistake to conclude that it was an administration which orchestrated it. I won't go so far as to say more on that, as that is probably what it was on his part. That little 2030 vid though; that was creepy. By the way, just how do you become "Safe" in a "Progressive" society? Those are the ones in which victims flock to gun free zones and wonder why bad guys don't read the signs. Doesn't sound like the basis of a free society to me. But what do I know? I'm just a stupid redneck and am not fit to be questioning my betters. JimBob who don't care how fit he is to question his betters. He knows they're a bunch of retards.
Sorry I SHOT SANTA.
"I'm not the Conspiracy Correspondant" ???
If he wasn't covering the ongoing foreign conspiracies in the Middle East then what the hell was he covering???
"Real plots" vs "imaginary ones"?
Fisk is clearly on the gatekeeper's gravytrain of ridiculing people interested in alternative conspiracy theories. Right when it was really important, in 2007, when the emotional shock was wearing off and folks were really starting to look at those crumbling buildings differently.
Finally dragging out the old "incompetency" canard. Sigh.
"…Usually, I have tried to tell the "truth"; that while there are unanswered questions about 9/11, I am the Middle East correspondent of The Independent, not the conspiracy correspondent; that I have quite enough real plots on my hands in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Iran, the Gulf, etc, to worry about imaginary ones in Manhattan. My final argument – a clincher, in my view – is that the Bush administration has screwed up everything – militarily, politically diplomatically – it has tried to do in the Middle East; so how on earth could it successfully bring off the international crimes against humanity in the United States on 11 September 2001?…"
Such a slippery piece oozing condescension against the 9/11 "Ravers". Gratuitous Monbiot-Chomskian venom.
But I guess none of them could have just said, "well, I don't really know what happened that day but I understand why it troubles you. I personally have other priorities though."
free of "Now that's just conspiracy theory!" as Chomsky sneered at Barry Zwicker and the others have adopted in an echo…
It could be as you say. However, he is the middle east correspondent, and though he admitted he didn't buy the official story, he seemed like he was just fed up with people assuming he had the answers. And let's face it, the waters around 9/11 have been so muddied that it is frustrating to really look at it. Especially when those "ravers" he mentions are an annoying fact of life. I agree though the administration wasn't responsible, but the people behind the throne are the ones doing it. I don't mean to exonerate the administration; it's just that what one of those puppets do you think are capable of pulling it off? I concur with what the German Prime Minister (I think, relying on a pothead's memory here) said: It requires an intelligence agency. Who else could have coordinated everything so well? Or have known just who to get to do that type of job? I don't doubt that Bush knew; especially Cheney; but they weren't in charge. Or, he could just know better than to stick his nose in it. I can't say other than to speculate. JimBob
I'm sure it ain't news to Fisk that presidents are puppets of "intelligence agencies" and a range of other obscure deep state actors.
For someone who admitted to doubting the official version he sure was an effective accomplice in the cover-up.
Quite an effectively condescending accomplice in fact,
making it dreadfully uncouth to even take interest in such alternative Rav ing conspiracies.
candlelight says:
After reading your link to "Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11", it's apparent Fisk is good at the use of the non sequitur:
"Usually, I have tried to tell the "truth";…"
"…I have quite enough real plots on my hands…to worry about imaginary ones in Manhattan."
"…I am increasingly troubled at the inconsistencies in the official narrative of 9/11."
After siting about a dozen damning anomalies, he returns to this:
"I am not a conspiracy theorist… Spare me the plots."
His "clincher" of a final argument against government conspiracy, for anyone who has half a brain, is a real non-starter – the Bush administration's ineptitude, given its failure in the Middle East, would not have been able to coordinate 9/11 successfully.
So, the "truth" for Fisk simply boils down to the level of jackass that is Dubya?
No, what Fisk boils down to is that Fisk, in "truth", is the jackass.
And what Dubya is, is a sideglancing cunning little bastard of a motherfucker, as are the rest of his co-conspirators.
To tell you the truth, I've heard so many crazy theories on 9/11 that I've lost count of them. I'm sure he has as well. 9/11 brought out the crazy in all of us, so I'm sure he has good reason to claim people are ravers. Also, he has been quite busy in the Middle East. That is his area of expertise, not 9/11. But, if he's a gate-keeper, what does that say about his recent work in Syria where he says there was no chem attack? Does that make him an agent who is promoting Trump's desire to get out of Syria? I don't think so. I think he has no interest in investigating it. He lives in the Middle East and why would anyone want to leave that to go live in New York? JimBob
There ya go! Dissin' us New Yawkas, again!
The bizarre non-sequitur…
I shot santa wrote;
"…But, if he's a gate-keeper, what does that say about his recent work in Syria where he says there was no chem attack?…
Does that make him an agent who is promoting Trump's desire to get out of Syria?…"
A gatekeeper is someone who absolutely must be leading the vanguard of truth most of the time except on some critical topic(s) where having acquired a cult following, he or she leads the disciples off into lala land.
If he isn't at the cutting edge of truth-seeking most of the time, then he or she cannot be effective.
Mixing truth, fiction and venemous condescension until folks are totally confused.
The issue is not about being mistaken – like Chomsky supposedly was about JFK or 9/11,
it's about deliberate misdirection using people's fear and emotions (through ridicule, evocation of horrific images, the intellectual high ground, condescension etc),
to keep people away from understanding some key issue.
Barrie Zwicker breaks this down very well:
outube.com/watch?v=BhrZ57XxYJU
educate-yourself.org/cn/noamchomskygatekeepersofleft1part04oct07.shtml
I shot santa wrote:
"…Also, he has been quite busy in the Middle East. That is his area of expertise, not 9/11…
…He lives in the Middle East and why would anyone want to leave that to go live in New York?…
…I think he has no interest in investigating it…"
Anyone claiming to be interested in events in the Middle East just might want to take a peek at what happened on 9/11, don't ya think?
In fact, without even relocating to New York,
had he taken some interest in the subject of 9/11 back in 2007 when he was more interested in ridiculing raving truthers
he might have helped avoid having to report on the atrocities going on in Syria today…
don't ya think?
no connection between 9/11 and the Middle East??
"…Or, he could just know better than to stick his nose in it. I can't say other than to speculate…"
and the same could be said about a zillion other media personalities who for some bewildering reason (unless you consider Operation Mockingbird) could not make any contribution to unveiling the obvious about 9/11 to the world.
Except that, not only do they not touch it
they find it necessary to smear and ridicule perfectly respectable people who ARE interested in touching it.
The Chomsky/Monbiot/Fisks don't just leave it alone; No. They actively resort to such invectives as
"ravers", "idiots" and "morons"…
Oh! and of course
"Shut up, Conspiracy theorist!"
…And what Dubya is, is a sideglancing cunning little bastard of a motherfucker, as are the rest of his co-conspirators…"
Invectives are gratifying but no, I'm afraid not.
Gatekeepers are anything but jackasses.
They are a crucial element in perception and damage control for the deep state.
That's what's the most shocking. They are the ones who are the greatest, most dangerous traitors to truthseekers.
Without the gatekeepers, meaning those intellects who could really help the masses understand the world, the Dubya's of the cesspool could not succeed.
The gatekeepers manage those elements of the masses who are not deterred by CNN, Jon Stewart and the NFL.
They minimize the number and direct the attention of those elements who might really take an interest in what's going on.
They are neither jackasses, nor hysterical, nor menopausal.
They are steadfast soldiers to their cause.
Like intellectual sleeper cells.
A cause that remains utterly obscure to truth-seekers.
But that entails deft and timely seduction and misdirection of the truth-seeking population.
You cannot have put together the foregoing concept of gatekeeper more succinctly, more accurately, and more knowingly.
And, you're quite correct – when I referred to Fisk as a jackass, you certainly hit that nail on the head, as well – the invective was gratifying, just as it was gratifying, ten fold, calling out Dubya in a similar fashion, albeit, in harsher terms, and for different reasons.
Whereas Dubya had a penchant for playing somewhat of the inarticulate fool, he was cunning enough to play that role very well when required, and behind the scenes, no doubt, through the tutelage of papi, he performed as he was instructed and coached to perform. Indeed, the "clincher", Fisk's convenient use of such a foil stands as a case in point for the value of Dubya's bumbling shtick…. Though, tellingly, one of Dubya's daughters once insisted during an interview, that contrary to popular conception, her dad was actually a very astute and clever man, or something along those lines. Save for some familial daughterly bias, I felt absolutely no reason not to believe her.
As for Fisk, as you aptly imply, the Gatekeeper, is no fool, rather, quite to the contrary, the Gatekeeper is as subtle and as clever as needs be. Your description and the consequence of such machinations as befits the gatekeeper are royally spot on.
However, on another level, as smooth and as intellectually clever and intelligent as he, Fisk, comes off, and as smug as he surely feels himself to be, deep down, he's still, if not quite a jackass, he's an individual who is missing a crucial piece of himself, or perhaps he never had it in the first place. And for that which he is lacking, for all his smarts, the joke is on him, and for all those like him, regardless their ignorance. I'm referring to blind ignorance in absolute terms, inherent to these people's natures, wherein they actually lack discernment, for all the world, of what is good, and what is bad. And, to be sure, I say this without moralizing.
What I am describing, simply, for all intents and purposes, is the definition of psychopathy.
And that is, unfortunately, precisely who these people are.
Psychopathy. Hm.
Rob, Sibel, George, Noam, Amy, Jon (take your pick)… and hordes of others… all psychopaths…?
If only it were that "simple"…
Or perhaps I can't see the forest for the trees?…
911review.com/denial/gatekeepers.html
That's an excellent point.
Which leads me to believe it serves little purpose making blanket statements. Similar to the fallacy of calling all cops pigs. There are some, like anyone else, in or out of a uniform, who are brutal, and possibly psychopathic. And, there are also plenty who are of good nature, and honestly well meaning.
Each of those on the gatekeeper list, then, have their own psychological profile, which should be taken into account. It would also stand to reason, that each has their own particular relationship to the deep state, which would logically range from a direct relationship to one further out. Perhaps there are gatekeepers, and there are gatekeepers. The Fisks and the Chomskys of the world seem pretty deeply embedded, and will consciously tactically humiliate those who question. As for someone like Amy Goodman, in avoiding the "thornier" issues, may have another agenda, more personal in nature, of simply retaining her program by maintaining a particular moderate left of center stance. I can't say for sure, because I haven't listened to her enough to formulate a pattern. As for the Jon Stewarts, who you would think would know enough to say more, again, I'm not an expert on Jon Stewart, but, I know one thing, for all his years of satire, he hasn't ever led any kid to conclude 9/11 was an inside job. Did that make him a gatekeeper (by default, perhaps), or is it he simply knew where his bread was buttered? By definition, do we include as gatekeeper those who don't necessarily actively mislead, but arguably do so only through omission?
And now, because I really need to get some sleep…
Now, for the FBI Princess darling:
Sibel? A gatekeeper extraordinaire? Psychopathic?
On both counts, what are the infinitesimal odds that this gal isn't?
Also, I have some lotto tickets for anyone interested.
woops… so sorry for the repeat –
posted this further up by accident:
"…Stewart's shtick is the exasperated moderate everyman, a lone voice of reason in a sea of insanity – willing to question or poke fun at anyone or anything. But, as with fellow "edgy" political humorist Bill Maher, some things simply must not be questioned. And those who do question them must be mocked.
"The people that believe George Bush let 9/11 happen to pad Dick Cheney's Halliburton stock portfolio," Stewart intoned to minimal laughter,
describing the "dumb" 15 to 30 percent of the population that he says is holding the country back.
"You've seen their signs."
Stewart then whipped out a sign of his own reading "9/11 Was an Outside Job" – as a sample of what would be an appropriate message at his rally…"
911truthnews.com/the-court-jester-and-911-truth/
and just as a bonus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk-gMRD2euc
manbearpig, such an excellent summation of what a gatekeeper is and does; thorough and complete, worthy of printing out and passing on.
Pearl. You have this habit of making me blush. It's embarassing. I wish I could say something clever to laugh it off… but honestly, my sister inherited all the humour genes…I got the eczema.
Can't be having that – now your blushing is making me blush. But hey, yer smart!
So…now I guess now we're supposed to slap each other repeatedly on the back with virility, guffaw profusely and guzzle huge quantities of beer until we pass out.
Damn straight. Followed by a few resounding belches and belly scratches, and we're good to go.
ok by me but…
…speaking of belly scratches…
actually, uh…beer… exacerbates my eczema…
maybe we could just sing a few fraternity pledge songs or something…
I know a couple a blond jokes? interchangeable with the polish ones….
It's a plan! Speaking of blonde jokes…
youtube.com/watch?v=0ZE3ccT7VC8
Jeez, yea! these McDonald's commercials are SOoo cliché!! But fast food sold in libraries is a reeeaaaaallly great innovation! like TOtally! why nobody had done it before I just don't get it!
Yes it was an excellent summary.
The irony though is that with all this knowledge she has, she has mischaracterized Sibel as a gatekeeper.
Wow. I didn't really expect all this. I will try to keep it concise, but it will probably require a multiple posting. First of all, to say that he is a gatekeeper is a bit over-blown. At least, this is my opinion. He wrote that article in 2007. At that time, the type of people he was referring to really were "ravers". This was when people like Luke Rudowski (sp?) of We Are Change was going to these events and demanding people offer explanations for 9/11. While Luke did an admirable job of it, not everyone else did. Keep in mind that in 2007, the vast majority of people held his opinion as well. Plus, he spent the majority of the article describing things about the official story that should have led you to a different conclusion than the one you came to. This seems out of character for you. He had questions, but this was not his area of expertise. He is a wartime correspondent, not a researcher; which is what you need to be to piece together the 9/11 story. In the article, he clearly states that there is more to the story than what the government was telling us. But 2007 was not 2018.
While I don't follow journalists, and only have the two articles (the 2007 and the recent one in Syria) to make my judgement on him; he appears to be a very methodical, let's say plodding, type of person. In the Syrian piece, he went to Syria and interviewed people and the landscape. He doesn't really extrapolate from that scene to any further conclusions. This is really just good journalism.
Please re-read the article again with a cooler head, and through the lens of 2007. I think you'll have a clearer picture. This is the challenge which historians face, attempting to understand a subject through the lens of the times you are studying, rather than the lens of the present. I am not arguing, or anything like that; I just feel the need to state my position on the subject. I am always hesitant to label anybody anything without looking into it. This rule doesn't apply to stupid people, but I don't bother with them anyway.
Also, my understanding of a gate-keeper (and this is my own guideline which may not jibe with reality, but it keeps it quasi-straight in my mind, is they are usually academics. Chomsky is merely the most famous one. Touted as brilliant, and offering brilliant insights, with a few key twists. Most of those people offered as gate-keepers (Jon Stewart, and really just any of the performers) are either propagandists or they actually just hold a different belief system. Personally, I always felt Jon was pretty honest. He had a liberal view-point but he didn't hesitate to have different viewpoints on his show. And, he treated them with respect. I always felt he was very intelligent, and had a wide-range of knowledge. However, his knowledge appeared to be rather shallow and he lacked a strong critical thinking element. This is hardly surprising as this is the kind of intelligence you would expect from a talk-show host/comedian. But I never felt he intentionally betrayed the trust of his audience. Remember, a lot of people still don't believe 9/11 was a false flag event. Many of them are in media. This doesn't make them shills or propagandists. There are 7 billion people on this planet and every single one of them has a different opinion on everything. I hope this doesn't sound condescending, as it's not meant to, I am attempting to explain how I perceive the world. Psychedelic flavors are difficult to write about. Stewart's cohorts always seemed a bit stupid to me. Colbert, and especially John Oliver are both a bit dense in my opinion. Most of their shilling is probably due to the election hysteria the logically impaired went through during the last selection. Add to that a desperate attempt to remain relevant and you've got the Colbert and Oliver skits. The news are definitely shills who think only of their scoops and not of the truth. At least that's been my experience with reporters. Fame, fame, fame, fame (David Bowie lyrics). I'm not trying to argue, merely explain my reasoning behind my opinion. I try and detach my emotions from all the craziness in the world, sometimes successfully, and attempt to see the other person's perspective. Not all liars lie intentionally. Well, Amy Goodman does. And Anderson, and all the anchors. But their just interested in their own fame. At least for the most part. I'm just going to stop it here. Hopefully, this won't result in another plethora (I loved the Three Amigos) of comments about my opinion. JimBob who takes off just one day and the world just falls down. Yeah, great job of taking my slack, Atlas!
Hey I shot santa! Looks like I hit a nerve.
If YOU reread my posts you'll see I precisely took Fisk's 2007 article in the 2007 perspective and that's clear in my comments.
At that time, people questioning the official narrative needed at least moral support from credible and courageous personalities. Not to be spit on by their idols and mentors.
Gatekeepers are relatively high-profile opinion formers. Not just academics. Why do you think Mika Brzezinski is an anchor woman?
And finally, once again, Fisk could simply have left it at "it's not my area of expertise, please stop asking me about it, I'm not interested!" (which would already have been pretty astonishing given the nature of 9/11 and its impact on Middle East politics) but NO! He felt he had to ooze condescension, ridicule and employ invectives. His justifiably admirative fans sure wouldn't want to be one o' THOSE crazy ravers! How typical of the Gatekeeping community!
So, I'll concede by repeating, if he's not a witting Gatekeeper he sure is an effective unwitting one!
And if 7 Billion+ people in the world today don't mostly know that the Official 9/11 fairytale IS a fairy tale that betrays their own eyes and the laws of physics (nevermind the exact nature of the pyrotechnics involved), well, you can thank all those foundation-funded and otherwise incentivized charismatic Gatekeepers out there! Way to go guys! Deep State 7B+ vs Everyman 0! Deep state wins yet again! (for better or worse…).
Finally, I couldn't agree more – finding decent help these days is a real b#*$ch!
No you didn't. You despise him. I admire him. I don't understand your logic. You don't understand mine. Pretty much down to agree to disagree.
You admire him! Understandably! Many do!
And it would be a bore to agree on everything anyway.
this is his bio. I know its wikipedia, but when you really don't care, it's a good resource. He's exactly where he's needed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk
Hey there I shot santa!
Just noticed your last wiki page about Fisk and I duly read it up through the Bin Laden part and what I continue to see is
someone who amongst all the "inconsistencies" that "troubled him" did not even allude to building 7's mysterious collapse which is sort of the biggest most obvious and simple "elephant in the room"…
Everything he says surrounding the event screams "Blowback!!!" from aggressive American foreign policy in the Middle East (which incidently was my first violent and voiced gut reaction the day it happened, like many people).
and he of course associates the other people who don't share the same "scientific questions" he has, with David Icke.
So, I appreciate your effort of posting the wiki page, but having closely followed much of Fisk's reporting when I was a denizen of the InformationClearingHouse site, I see nothing to disculp his gatekeeping status on the wiki page or anywhere else.
Blowback. The convenient explanation for the murder that took place on 9/11 for the politically correct.
All hail the brave Ed Asner who, though he's (was) high profile, may be allowed to live out what's left of his long and successful life, even though he said what he really thought about 9/11. (Though I have yet to listen to I expect is a most gratifying Press for Truth interview.)
Okay, this will be my last comment on this subject. I am not so quick to call people anything. I will first post the entire part of his "conspiracy theorist" gate-keeper part of his article. This part will be followed by another to keep my section under the limit.
Each time I lecture abroad on the Middle East, there is always someone in the audience – just one – whom I call the "raver". Apologies here to all the men and women who come to my talks with bright and pertinent questions – often quite humbling ones for me as a journalist – and which show that they understand the Middle East tragedy a lot better than the journalists who report it. But the "raver" is real.
He has turned up in corporeal form in Stockholm and in Oxford, in Sao Paulo and in Yerevan, in Cairo, in Los Angeles and, in female form, in Barcelona. No matter the country, there will always be a "raver".
His – or her – question goes like this. Why, if you believe you're a free journalist, don't you report what you really know about 9/11? Why don't you tell the truth – that the Bush administration (or the CIA or Mossad, you name it) blew up the twin towers? Why don't you reveal the secrets behind 9/11? The assumption in each case is that Fisk knows – that Fisk has an absolute concrete, copper-bottomed fact-filled desk containing final proof of what "all the world knows" (that usually is the phrase) – who destroyed the twin towers. Sometimes the "raver" is clearly distressed. One man in Cork screamed his question at me, and then – the moment I suggested that his version of the plot was a bit odd – left the hall, shouting abuse and kicking over chairs.
I am not an expert on gate-keepers, or am I? However, it seems that they tend to tell people they are authorities on whatever subject they are lying about. He quite clearly states he is not. Also, when I read it I try and inflect my "I not only don't know a dang thing about it, but I ain't gonna spend a whole lot of time on it either as I got other things I'm doing, and I don't appreciate your getting all up in my face about it" tone. But maybe that's just me.
The only part of the conspiracy that I think he would have considered as investigated by him would be his statement that the hijackers weren't on the plane. I think he went and saw them as they weren't that far away from him. But he did not present him as even willing to be a 9/11 investigator. I also think that was a good move for him. Especially seeing as how he has been working as a wartime correspondent for the past thirty years and that is as different as night and day on the type of person you need to be to be reading them lying ass documents those bureaucrats just misled you with. Maybe he doesn't question Bldg. 7. These things don't make him a gatekeeper. Just because somebody else doesn't think your opinion about what they should be doing isn't that important to them, doesn't make them whatever it is that you want them to be. And he's right about the ravers. I'm sure he's been confronted by people who did rave about the illuminati lizard jews. Those people exist. And he was addressing them directly.
As I said before, we are unable to see eye to eye on this one. JimBob who occasionally takes pains to be nice.
Once again, it's not about disagreeing with people.
It's about stigmatizing them with insults and unflattering comparisons.
You do not perpetuate your aura of serious, high-profile multi-award winning investigative journalist if you investigate and report on 9/11.
Where is this investigatory piece? All I've seen is the one in which he said he wasn't doing one. JimBob who has clearly stated all he's seen of Fisk's stuff.
That's exactly it man!
Where's the investigatory piece on 9/11 by a serious, high profile, multi-award winning investigative journalist?
Don't recall having seen one.
Just stuff with invectives implying that it's useless and uninteresting to do any such investigative journalism.
And Fisk ain't alone on that score.
Best not rock that bushy bin laden boat if you wanna keep your aura. And your paycheck. And even your hide.
He's a wartime correspondent. Not a scholarly type. Not everybody thinks they ought to go and give up their entire career to suit your whims? He's lived in Beirut since 1989 for a reason. He likes it there. He goes and talks to people, not read papers. But since you think he ought to give up everything for this research; why haven't you done the same? JimBob who really don't think everybody is a gate-keeper. Nor is every conspiracy ever simple enough for most conspiracy theorists to figure out. Though not nearly as complicated as some of them.
Okay, this is priceless! David Stockman on Maria Bartilomow's morning show. On a totally off-topic rant, I truly despise Maria and enjoyed watching her nearly freak out during this clip. I remember hearing her tout IPOs in the late '90s, knowing every word she said was an obvious lie. IPOs in every case, but one that I know of (RedHat), always have their high of the day before the market opens. Yet, none of her shilling reflected this fact. I also really like the smile Stockman gave when he talked about MSM news. On the sad side, I think there were a multiple of paradigms being challenged by the hosts. One, was corporate sponsorship of course. I think the most revealing aspect of it was the absolute stupidity of all of the panelists, with the exception of the man sitting beside Stockman. He seemed fairly ignorant for someone who was supposed to be reporting on financials, but at least he was open and understood what was being said to an admirable extent. JimBob who knows the only company he'll invest in is his own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwUAbPB20mw
I'm glad you provided the clip! I'm not familiar with David Stockman, and haven't listened to Maria Bartilomo in literally years. I wouldn't have dreamed to hear a guest on Fox, or any other news platform – and that goes for public television, PBS – so fully right off the cuff cut through the main stream bullshit like a hot knife through butter, and even better, like icing on a cake, unapologetically, and as a simple matter of fact, legitimately sourcing his information as coming from outside the main stream.
I noticed the comment section below the clip was 100% in favor of Stockman. 100%!
Maybe times are changing? This definitely gives one hope!
Is that groupthink idea of a great awakening happening? It would be nice, though I've never really understood why I should concern myself with it. JimBob who has noticed how the world is such an amusing mess of stupid and is highly entertained by all the problems people insist on having for themselves. Yet; things like this seem to be happening more and more; which is just as fascinating.
What's fascinating this time around is that whatever you just said is ah, totally confusing.
To wit: "Is that groupthink idea of a great awakening happening?"
If you would, please identify who, in this instance, are the members of that "groupthink".
Your answer may potentially help in deciphering what you are talking about.
Thanks, much!
No problem. It's just my amusement at the mass calling for everyone else to wake up. It's like a cult, where nobody agrees on what the "red pill" leads to, as they all have different definitions, but they all claim they are awake and aware and that they only need to have everyone else in the world awake and aware and on the same wavelength as them. JimBob who always wonders why an awake and aware person would really need everyone else to be on his side to start with.
Further, if we construe any sort of "awakening" in the context of The Corbett Report as being tied to awakening to the truth of things, am I wrong in wondering why in hell you'd not understand it is something to be concerned with?
Further, still, you're somehow tying this unexplained, unknown argument/concept – who the hell knows – to having to do with "…an amusing mess of stupid…".
Yup, fascinating, indeed, JimBob! You completely lost me.
I'm not talking about people who are searching for truth; I'm talking about the mass of stupid which claims they are the possessors of truth. The ones who warn us of the lizard takeover, or the planet whatever. But humanity is one amusing mess of stupid. Most of us whine about the problems we create for ourselves as if someone else put us in the boat we built. JimBob an esoteric sage of redneck (non)wisdom.
Okay, you kind of answered the questions I have. Only, you're forcing me to ponder your answer all freaking afternoon. lol
Just don't go pondering while your wandering or else you'll start wondering where your floundering! I know, that was horrible. Just trying to make things worse. JimBob who tries to never be too helpful.
Good advice being I was just out in the back with pail and shovel cleaning up the dog do. The bottoms of my shoes would definitely be floundering. lol
Actually, you are touching on the esoteric. Or at least a prerequisite for esotericism. A common language/understanding/wavelength among adherents; which does sound suggestive of an occultism of sorts. The thing is, "groupthink" ironically connotes more a collective mindlessness than anything else.
In the specific case of the Morning with Maria clip, the groupthink was exhibited by just about everyone but David Stockman, who represented the enlightened (awakened) individual. Whether he's been given a talking to subsequent to that clip is anybody's guess. But, I thought it was good he unabashedly got in his two cents, whether the hive liked it or not, plus, he argued his points quite well, in front of a main stream audience.
No matter the shortcomings we as people have, however utterly gullible and nondiscerning, this little mini-happening on Fox is at least a little refreshening step in the right direction. I can't and won't sneeze at it, even if for argument sake, your points are well taken, and not necessarily for the worse. 🙂
Note how the guy sitting next to Stockman wasn't a part of the hive. He actually asked questions without seeking a chink to attack. Maria, whom I DESPISE, always portrayed an intelligent person despite her absolute LACK of it. But, she did look good on the screen and so we used her as a wedge to open up a sale. Good job on avoiding the dog poo! I grew up around cattle, so it's second nature for me to avoid those piles. JimBob who lives in a swamp just like Yoda, but he ain't that short.
grahamaskey says:
Here's a forensic analysis of all the videos and pics released by the rebels at the time of the attack. Makes a very convincing case for it being a fake
https://climateaudit.org/2018/04/24/douma-videos-and-photos/
I shot SAnta, you said:
"But since you think he ought to give up everything for this research; why haven't you done the same?"
This is a strawman. I never said such a thing. Once again, I take issue with the fact that he insulted and stigmatized 9/11 researchers, ordinary folks who cared..
Gatekeepers deliberately seduce people with their enlightened and rigorous views and work
and then deliberately mislead their followers on key issues using among other techniques ad hominem and stigmatization.
I don't expect him to risk his job and prestige by telling any truths about 9/11.
I think it's suspicious he feels the zealous need to throw wrenches in the works using his high profile to poo poo people who care about 9/11.
You did ask him to go and investigate it. which is dismantling his expertise in the Middle East. He would have to spend his time reading government papers that he could get via FOIA requests. I'm not even sure he can get those that way as he is a british citizen. He did not mislead. We will not agree on this. I'm just done with it. Believe what you want, I'll do the same. He doesn't meet my criteria for gatekeeper. He meets yours. Have fun with it. JimBob who don't see why this whole thread is so important anyway. If you dont like somebody, don't listen to them. That'll solve any gates what need keeping if you ask me.
"You did ask him to go and investigate it."
Where? Show me where.
With every post damning him for not doing it. Despite the fact that he is in a horrible position to do so; what with being half-way around the world from where he'd need to be and not the proper citizen sort to get what he would require. Or of even being the right sort of person to do so.
Never damned him for not doing it.
Damned him for being a gatekeeper who is someone who stigmatizes people who do do it.
Diametrically different.
I'm done with it.
"…JimBob who don't see why this whole thread is so important anyway. If you dont like somebody, don't listen to them. That'll solve any gates what need keeping if you ask me…"
Why is the thread so important?
Because understanding the Perception management techniques of TPTSB includes understanding the phenomenon and mechanics of Gatekeeping.
Because to minimize the devastating effect of Gatekeepers on truth-seeking
one needs to be able to understand and identify their Modus Operandi.
Perception Management techniques are real. Gatekeeping is a real phenomenon and looking at it closely has taught me a lot.
For example how logical fallacies and emotional manipulation through the manipulation of emotionally-charged symbols keeps the masses in the dark.
Bullies have always annoyed me. Especially intellectual ones.
And most particularly, prestigious and highly credible intellectual bullies whose otherwise uncalled for ridicule of 9/11 truth-seekers is designed to help confuse and cover up the horrific murder of some 3000 people.
But we are never going to get anywhere with this exchange. We are both entrenched in our opinions. The only thing this thread has truly proven is how the internet tends to over-ride our impulse control mechanisms and let the strangest obsessions take flight. JimBob who don't need no external dopamine fix as his way of thinking gets him all he wants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf052uxFF58
Okay, that song was cool. But, when you watch that video today, after all the most insane of the feminist demonstrations, can you see her reciting disgusting poetry? JimBob who sometimes wishes weed really did impair the whole shebang.
MBP,
I must be living under a BIG rock. I didn't know Annie Lennox was still singing, at least not for the last 20 odd years. Thanks for the link.
Butting into your disagreement you have, or have had, with santa regarding Fisk, I tend to agree with your assessment. Santa's argument of weighing statements in terms of its time frame has its merits, though not in Fisk's case, referring to his 2007 talk in Ireland.
Similarly, whatever philosophical and politically left of center views Chomsky may have held, or holds, is completely usurped by his still shocking retort of "what does it matter!" when discussing getting to the truth of 9/11 during a conference. Given his intellectual stature, one needn't have a date attached to understand what such a statement means.
The argument he espoused, that we'll never find out the truth anyway, simply flies in the face of honest discourse and intellectual pursuit of knowledge which ought to be, and I would have assumed to be , his default position. The first time I saw the clip of Chomsky saying this, my feeling was one of disbelief and bitter disappointment. His justification was not weak. It was simply bogus. The only siver lining here is at least we don't have to deal with any ambiguity.
There's another Gatekeeper of somewhat noted fame, residing in the cult of personality genre, who for me is a real stomach turner, Ted Nugent.
At 1:36 mins in the link below he says:
"I've saluted too many flag draped coffins to dismiss the perfection of our constitutional republic…"
Statements such as this are emblematic, representational, reflective, you name it, of the travesty of ignorance; unless, of course, he is a cognizant, cheer-leading spokesperson for war profiteers of all stripes; in other words, their willing bitch, in the guise of patriotism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNyiEnKBocs
I was actually naive enough to believe after the war in Vietnam ended, that it was going to be a new dawn, that consciousness had been raised to the point that such bogus military adventurism would become a thing of the past; that the Ted Nugents of the world would see past the illusion of benign imperialism. But, unfortunately, I can smell a distinct, familiar and pungent odor in Nugent's attitude. Why doesn't he just whip out the old line – My country right or wrong – ?
Whether conscious or not, Nugent is another form of Gatekeeper.
For him, not a single goddamned lesson of the last 60 years has made a dent in this man's brain.
I'd like to tell Teddy boy, it's not – my country right or wrong – it's my country right, and if it's not right, we have to fix it.
But, he prefers to help those who keep the war machine well lubricated, a lubrication that apparently has never allowed, since even the turn of the century before, to show any signs of rust.
And so it goes, and has been going.
(whew…so it's not just me!) I'm in the process of compiling a list of 80s songs for a retro CD burn project (verrrry glad to be reminded of Annie). Now I have to catch up on her brilliant career ever since.
jamd says:
Another nice little Syrian chemical weapons psyop from the BBC here. 'US has evidence chemical weapons are being prepared'
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-middle-east-45442876
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