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Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19
Kevin Scott
When The Neighborhood was introduced last year within the MyCareer mode in NBA 2K18, it didn't take long for people to start complaining about its over-reliance on microtransactions. Forced to choose between spending some extra money to better your player immediately or enduring an interminable grind that saw you improve incrementally by playing the game, many felt that the progression from the latter was designed to be such a slog in order to get you to do the former. With NBA 2K19, there was talk of rewarding people more for playing the game and allowing them to level up quicker. So what's the verdict?
Well, a quick look at Metacritic shows that the game currently has an 82/100 score from critics. However, it's earned a user score of only 2.3/10. While this is not a unique situation when it comes to user scores on Metacritic (many, many games have suffered this similar wide gap between critic and fan scores on there), it's worth at least looking at the comments and discussing the current MyCareer situation. Here's a sampling of those comments from Metacritic:
"An unnecessary and stupidly-long grind fest…"
"Don't buy it! Buggy mess full of micro-transactions!!"
"The use of micro-transactions are egregious; at every corner VC is required to progress your character."
"2K are trying to create a basketball themed online theme park/casino rather than a basketball game."
Suffice it to say, a large group of people are pretty vocal in their hatred of the game. But these negative user reviews are so hung up on the idea of microtransactions that they, by and large, entirely ignore how the game actually plays on the court.
Are the microtransactions in NBA 2K19 really so prevalent and unavoidable that they get in the way of actually playing basketball?
I thought I'd have a look at some of the complaints from the 2K community and analyze the validity of their arguments. To do this, I'll be using actual comments taken directly from the NBA2K subreddit.
"2K makes you a piece of human trash so you feel forced to buy VC."
I don't know about a piece of human trash, but is it really all that surprising that you would start as a lowly scrub when you begin your career in NBA 2K19? What were you expecting? That you would start out as an 80 overall without doing anything at all? That would defeat the whole purpose of progression and provide little sense of accomplishment for improving. Yes, your player isn't going to be very good at all at the outset but that offers all the more incentive to play the game, improve your skills on the court, and this will ultimately lead to accumulating enough VC to start boosting those attributes.
Does 2K make you this "piece of human trash" in order to entice you to buy VC instead of earning it? Sure, that's certainly part of it. But that doesn't mean it's a necessity. You could always grind for VC instead and do it the hard way.
"Grinding for VC instead of paying for it is equal to working for 40 cents per hour."
I'm sorry, are you being forced to work long hours at some sort of 2K slave labor camp? It clearly must be some kind of horrible predicament that people find themselves in to speak of playing a basketball video game as if they are instead toiling away in a coal mine or doing similarly hard labor.
A friendly reminder: this game is supposed to be fun. If you look at the prospect of playing a basketball video game as some sort of punishment or indignity that has to be suffered through rather than enjoyed, there's real possibility that this might not be the game for you.
"MyCareer archetypes need to be changed."
The archetypes in NBA 2K19 are in place to allow you to create specific types of players that do can do a couple of things well at the cost of being limited in other facets of the game. The main reason that people like this want to see these archetypes changed is because they'd probably like their player to be good at absolutely everything instead. In a perfect world, they'd be able to create a 7-footer who moves with the quickness of Westbrook, rebounds like Rodman and shoots three-pointers as if he was the second coming of Steph Curry. Learn to embrace the strengths and accept the shortcomings of your players and focus on what they do well instead of what they are lacking.
"2K Needs to Revamp the Grading System."
The teammate grade you earn when playing MyCareer games is based on a number of factors. You improve your grade with things like good spacing and making smart passes, and negatively impact that same grade with errors like turning the ball over or jacking up bad shots. It's not a perfect system, as you can sometimes get unfairly penalized for defensive breakdowns where your assignment changed suddenly or even for having your call for a pass ignored, but by and large, you will typically find that your final assessment at least somewhat reflects what kind of teammate you were in any given game.
But there are plenty of disgruntled people that find it far too difficult to put up an A+ game, which would theoretically reward them with more MyPoints and VC for their efforts. They insist that they are being too harshly punished for the few errors that they make and not given enough credit for their good plays. What they are really seeking though is absolute validation after every game that they played the best possible game imaginable and could not have done one little thing better if they tried. But shouldn't an A+ grade be fairly hard to achieve? How often do real NBA superstars play a perfect game? This should be a lofty goal to aspire to and not a habitual occurrence you see on a daily basis. And honestly, is an A- or a B+ really all that much worse?
"Wow this grind is something else. Takes forever just to get silver badges."
Guess what? It takes a lot of practice to become a professional basketball player. You can't just step on a court and suddenly start hitting shots from all over the court. It's going to take some time in the team training facility working on the same drills over and over again. It may be tedious and redundant at times, and some aren't looking for the level of realism that requires them to put in practice (hi Allen Iverson) but this is how everyone gets better. At least you don't need to put in 10,000 hours, as Malcolm Gladwell suggests. This is a game you probably want to last you months and months (the NBA regular season hasn't even started yet), a slow progression is part of that cycle.
"MyCareer cut scenes…started regular season barely seen any…20 games in."
You know how last year people complained about the annoying cutscenes you had to sit through to make the eternal grind even longer than it already was? Well inexplicably, there are some that want even more of them now apparently? Granted, the mode's storyline does end a little abruptly after The Prelude and is engaging enough to leave you wishing there was perhaps a little more, but it's hard to be too upset about the fact that they removed scenes that only really get in the way of you playing more basketball, and that means it should take less time now to get through the grind. Plus, skipping cutscenes was finally given to us and thank goodness for that.
"Trying to play in the neighborhood as a player under 80 overall is infuriating."
Okay, this can be true (a lot of the time) and it's the number one issue that points out the issue with microtransactions in this game. And it's (unsurprisingly) also the number one route to breaking down and buying that VC to make you better immediately. If you go to the Park and start pitting yourself against guys who are 85-90 overall when you might only be a sub-75, chances are the result isn't going to come out in your favor. This will likely get you thinking about how you could have beaten those guys if only your player was a little better, and before you know it you're reaching for your wallet. Yes, it would be nice if NBA 2K19 had separate parks for people depending on how high an overall their player is to make things a little more fair and competitive, but until that happens steer clear of the Park unless you're prepared to go up against players that have better attributes than you. It doesn't mean you can't still beat some of those guys, of course, but it will be more of a challenge. This is an issue that becomes less pronounced the longer the game is out, but it's the number one area where 2K could do a better job if they wanted to keep people from feeling like they "have" to buy VC at launch by splitting up the boosted versus the non-boosted in sensible ways.
"It's time to get rid of the park and the neighborhood."
Well, that's a slightly more extreme view on the same subject I suppose. I get that you might not be enjoying the Park and the Neighborhood, but have you ever considered that there are many other people out there who perhaps feel differently?
"I Can Never Find Games in Jordan Rec Center!!!!"
Yes, here's another genuine problem that actually does need attention. It takes far too long to find teammates to play with, and while you are waiting you can't even back out and return to the Neighborhood. To make matters worse, this is a pretty essential mode for anyone who wants to play 5-on-5 online, especially considering that Pro Am mode no longer allows you to drop in and find teammates.
"Skateboard costs 60k VC LOL"
That's a lot of VC. Try walking. It's free.
"2K how you gonna charge me 10k VC for shoes I made??
Did you hand-stitch those shoes yourself? Will you be playing barefoot without them? Yeah, you don't really need those then. Keep grinding!
"How To feed MyPlayer – He keeps complaining at the end of games that he's starving and how his old coach used to make sandwiches or something"
I….okay, not sure what to tell you here. I guess find a way to get him those sandwiches? That is, providing they don't cost you any VC.
"Why does everyone want to have a 99 player so quickly?"
Here's the big question at the heart of MyCareer. And the answer is pretty simple really. Most people don't want to wait. Most people don't want to have to put in the kind of effort required to make your player good. They want everything now. I would say to those people in all sincerity: just buy the VC then. But please don't then turn around and complain that the game requires you to buy VC to play because you know that isn't true. What the game does ask you to do is play basketball if you want your player to get better. A lot of it. There's certainly an argument to be made that the game doesn't reward you with enough MyPoints or VC along the way, but purchasing VC to level up your player is entirely optional. The choice is yours: play the game regularly and give in to the grind, or use a shortcut and invest some extra cash in your player.
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El_Poopador 10-03-2018 07:59:17 AM (EDT)
Sasselhoff 10-03-2018 05:47:36 PM (EDT)
I get a lot of peoples anger and it could probably be avoided if they put you in level based neighborhoods. Upgrading your player with real money is both good and bad. Some people just don't have time to play and have the money - they'll take the short cut which I guess is a good thing at least being able to do. But I get the anger as it seems like 2K is really forcing VC on you with everything, and that you load in to a neighborhood instance as a level 67 and every one is mid 80s and above. There's simply no way to compete that way which makes the online component worthless to many.
El_Poopador
Fixed. :waytogo:
CM Hooe 10-03-2018 06:44:33 PM (EDT)
Ugh. This article is turning its nose up at and dismissing very legitimate criticisms of NBA 2K19's predatory and/or slimy game design choices in its MyPlayer mode.
Those are covered in more detail by both Luke Plunkett of Kotaku and Albert Burneko of Deadspin. I offer those two articles as a nuanced rebuttal of "embracing the grind".
SGMRock 10-03-2018 06:55:40 PM (EDT)
Totally disagree with you on this area.* This system is so screwed up.* You constantly get dinged for things that are not your fault.* You ask for a pass when you are open but the CPU delays in passing it to you until someone is in between and then they pick the pass off.* Your fault you get a minus because you called for a bad pass, guess what, the person that passed it made a bad pass I was open when i asked for it!!!* Defensive rotations constantly give you minus grades.* Clearly there are many situations where you are getting picked and you can't get around it and its obvious their should be a switch but the guys goes right in and scores and its your fault for bad teammate switches.* That is the top most frustrating one of all.* If you are guarding a player like a SG or PG they get screens called for them all game and this will constantly happen to you.**
The game dings you for bad block attempts.* I mean what the heck, the guy is already shooting does it prefer you just stand there and watch or at the least jump up and try to distract the shot even if you are not in the best position to block.* I mean that is just stupid.* Jumping and letting a guy run around you I can understand but not the other.**
1 mistake should not cost you 3 minus grades.* For instance, you make a bad shot and fall down on the shot, so then you are late getting back on the play because it seems to take your guy 5 minutes to get up,* so you get minus sometimes 2 or 3 times while you run back for missing your assignment and if your assignment scores before you get back you can also get dinged for that too.* * Also the game will sometimes swap your assignment after substitutions and have your arrow on a guy you go to cover him and the arrow goes to the other side of the court and you get -- for missing assignment while you try and run over to the guy you didn't think you were supposed to be guarding in the first place.**
Nothing like putting up 60 points, 30+ of which you scored getting yourself open and gave your teammate an assist, have 10+ assists yourself and still end the game with a D or something team score because of all of the above issues.* Meanwhile you go to the locker room with a broken back from carrying your whole team on it the entire game.
Then there is the fact that the CPU goes right through screens so easy.* Every time I get a screen set I me if I don't see it coming and dodge it way early its like you get sucked in and stick to the player.* But if I have the ball and a teammate sets a screen for me the CPU jumps in front of it or goes right through it like Andre Drummond is a stick figure and not a 270lb dude.**
Now also add the fact that games seem scripted.* You can start a game and see sometimes that you will either blow out the other team, they will blow you out or the game will be tight the whole time.* It seems to always be one of those 3.* I played a team just now that was 1-10 and all of a sudden late in the second quarter they tied the game and were up by 2 going into the 3rd, from that point they made literally* 80+% FG's the rest of the game and 60%+ 3 pointers even when covered and won by 20+ points.* This is on All Star.**
On my second season I keep asking myself why I play MyCareer with all this frustrating stuff going on.**
triplechin 10-03-2018 07:14:20 PM (EDT)
Without going into detail, this is pretty much just a load of crap
ItchyNscratchy 10-03-2018 07:33:13 PM (EDT)
How tf can anybody embrace this crap??? Seriously is this a real queation?? You literally have to grind so much for so little. This is the worst upgrade system in any grinding video game. This is the absolute worst way to implement a 'RPG' system into a basketball game. You can play any other RPG game and spend 30 mins and actually feel rewarded with new items and levels, etc.
In 2k you spend 30 min playing 2k just to even find a F**king PRO AM GAME. Let alone if you were to play 30 min in my career, all you get is like 3-5% cap breaker. You dont feel rewarded. How can you talk about embrace when your ****e game is broke?!? Its always 1 step foward, 2 steps back with 2K. You guys screw up the matchmaking in rec center and to make matters worse, YOU GUYS GOT RID OF SWITCHING PLAYERS ON DEFENSE. The point guard cant switch players anymore to get the right mismatches. Fix your crap game
Marty Funkhouser 10-03-2018 07:35:45 PM (EDT)
Is OS sponsored by 2K?
GLegend1226 10-03-2018 07:54:14 PM (EDT)
The one thing that Ill agree with is it should not be easy to get to a 99. It should take a while to get to 99.
With that being said, if you had different lobbies for 60,70s,80s and 90s, there should be that option. A 80 should not be able to go to the 60 lobby. But if the 60s want to go in the 90 lobbiy, they should be able to, as long as they have a squad with a 90 player
ILLSmak 10-03-2018 08:00:43 PM (EDT)
Marty Funkhouser
In some ways probably. It behooves them to promote a massive franchise like 2k (cuz I'm sure clicks and visits equal more money) but it's hard to keep it real. You can keep it real but these articles are published to hardcore 2k players, so I dunno why you'd go there. Embrace the grind. Funny.
-Smak
SCOLIA5044 10-03-2018 09:09:08 PM (EDT)
Agreed with the article the fact you have are forced too buy vc even for someone like myself who only plays the career part of nba 2k is outrageous
Keith01 10-03-2018 09:47:19 PM (EDT)
The grind is slightly easier in 2K19. But this article comes across as just an 2K-apologist piece. I don't think we need more 2K defenders, but more people calling out their practices when needed. On one hand, the game should be free 'cause it's basically a pay to play. On the other, NBA 2K has been innovating, doing things, and offering experiences that no other sports game is doing. So for that, I don't mind plunking down a $20 or $50 for VC if it goes towards innovation. (can we get 1st person view VR bball next?). But the grind and amount of time it takes must stay within*reason.
da_centa_fielda 10-03-2018 10:58:10 PM (EDT)
The thing about grind and the specter of grind (which is something amazing to look back at once you've gotten away from it. I say this as someone who has played grindy games) is that your sense of progression is tied to the game. You are progressing toward an end game or you are purposely trying to make your guy stronger just to see how strong you can get.
The reason why it's off as an experience that is tied to multi-player is because multi-player is the end game. As someone who played a full loot sandbox I can say pvp is the end game of that, for instance, and you don't lose everything when you lose in 2k, but you are still stuck doing what amounts to menial tasks in a safe zone until you can venture out into the wild (pvp.)
If they wanna make a mode where you start in high school and go thru the pros and it's offline or you can ball with people also in hs, college, etc... That'd be fun and cool. Although you would think the lower levels would eventually be empty.
In summary, it's grind because the path is not a path. It's something right in front of your face. It's like you need 1000 gold to buy a new set of armor but you can't kill any dragons so you have to pick fruit and sell it to an npc. For hours.
As someone who played 2k Mc there wasn't much of a difference between how much I could contribute based on my rating. It wasn't like I needed to get above 60 to start vs hof Ai. But when you get online and are playing vs people who you can't even dribble the ball against its like augh. Gotta go "grind", take a tough loss and then you think man if I had deadeye we prol would have won, gotta grind it up.
Dudes being like Yea my goal this weekend is to get hof chase down. I dunno. And every year too.
I wanna play a game and see who the best player is. I wanna compete and enjoy the thrill of it, win or loss, not feel like I lost because someone had better badges than me.
No matter how good a game is, it gets tiring doing that every year. There is no embracing an artificial journey that is imposed every 12 months.
torpidbeaver 10-04-2018 12:03:51 AM (EDT)
Just hauling that water for 2K Sports.
ph33 10-04-2018 12:24:27 AM (EDT)
why does this guy get a platform?
this is absolutely embarrassing on so many levels
which one of you hacks wrote this piece that sounds like a middle school tier rebuttal?
ASAP Floppy 10-04-2018 12:28:06 AM (EDT)
Damn, this is a bad look for OS, not sure how yall thought this article was a good idea.
Bernte 10-04-2018 03:11:04 AM (EDT)
thanks to guys like the one who wrote this article, 2k has been getting away with this for years now.
Nza 10-04-2018 03:25:54 AM (EDT)
Am I the only one who read this as devil's advocate mixed with parody mixed with tongue in cheek?
Sounds like the writer is having a bit of fun with us here.
I think the ridiculousness of the arguments against the criticisms are intentionally trying to highlight the reality of the situation - that it is all just a bit ridiculous how far VC has gotten. At least, in my opinion, if this is in fact a serious attempt at a rebuttal against the VC grind criticisms, it is indistinguishable from a parody of a 2K fanboy.
tru11 10-04-2018 04:55:58 AM (EDT)
how much did you get paid to write this crap?
DatIsraeliGuy 10-04-2018 05:35:30 AM (EDT)
It's because of people and mindsets like these that we even have microtransactions in the first place.
"Embrace the grind"?
What in the world is this?!
A FULL PRICED GAME SHOULD NEVER HAVE MICROTRANSACTIONS THAT AFFECT GAMEPLAY. EVER. NO EXCEPTIONS.
And what is the point of going through Metacritic user reviews of all things and commenting on why they are wrong in your opinion? That's not journalism, that's not what this site should have.
2k are greedy bastards who care only about how to squeeze more money from people's wallets.
MyTEAM Loot Boxes, microtransactions, false advertising to make it seem XP is earned fast, you name it.
STOP ACCEPTING THESE SCUMMY THINGS IN OUR GAMES
I cannot believe this is actually okay by some people, thank you for ruining games.
geezy 10-04-2018 05:49:11 AM (EDT)
This article was clearly written by Ronnie2K.
Honestly the gameplay is great but VC has sucked the fun outta this game massively the last 2-3 years, now everything costs VC and a lot of it, I'm an NBA player that can barely afford haircuts (2K17), clothes, shoes or a scooter/bike? If I create a new character I'd need to buy everything again.
I understand upgrading ratings like shooting, ball handling and passing etc, but things like vertical, speed & quickness players come equipped with that natural ability, but having to pay for jump shots, moves, running styles around the neighborhood is overkill.
Suntan Superman 10-04-2018 06:37:37 AM (EDT)
This article is shockingly poor for an OS article. I'm in favor of microtransactions, because I understand it as a business model, but the return on your VC is so poor that it's actually just kind of insulting. Just like this article is kind of insulting to people's intelligence.
It's gonna be a Yikes from me on this one.
laflame 10-04-2018 06:50:10 AM (EDT)
We post here because we enjoy 2k and therefore inherently have some bias. Yet and still on the section of the Internet that is perhaps most favorable to 2k there is significant criticism of the game and the practices of the company in most every discussion thread. I paid for this game, so why does it feel like I'm on a gambling website when I load up the park?
Junior Moe 10-04-2018 06:54:13 AM (EDT)
People ***** and moan about VC and the grind every single day (and years) and they voice that. What's wrong with someone who views the grind differently voicing that?? I hate how some of these guys act like there's only one (poor us, greedy companies) way to look at VC. I found the article an interesting take. No better or worse than anything else I have seen on microtransactions.
JoshC1977 10-04-2018 07:11:32 AM (EDT)
Nza
I absolutely read it the same way as you NZA....
Yesh2kdone 10-04-2018 08:20:04 AM (EDT)
Firstly, i don't have any problem with OS writing this article and presenting it to us as a differing or opposing opinion on 2k's business practices.
I just want to address a couple of specific points made.
2K makes you a piece of human trash so you feel forced to buy VC
The problem with this point, is that it completely negates the length of time people need to put in in order to grind from 60 to 85. In VC terms, the grind is approximately 190,000 vc, and most of this will need to be played as a professional basketball player that can't make a shot, layup, pass, dribble or move up and down the court in a way that is above the skill and speed of an average 10yr old. To reach that initial 85ovr, you're probably looking at approx 200hrs, or the equivalent of 5 week full time job. Does that seem reasonable for non-youtubers/people with grown up work/education/commitments?
I do think that once you've hit the level where you're banking VC at a faster rate than you need it for your upgrades, then 2k have done a good job this year of balancing it out. I'm earning between 2700-3500k vc per game and that's the best since 2k14. I'm pretty sure I'll hit 96ovr this year, so at that point I'll be earning between 5400-7000k vc per game, and that will be the most of all time in any game since 2k introduced VC.
I'm only creating one player this year, so all this VC I have banked isn't going anywhere and will only increase further and further. Maybe I'll treat myself to one of those skateboards so hilariously *cough cough* mocked in the article.
This is where you hit the absolute nail on the head, and it is where you stray furthest from what 2k would actually want written into any article. People play video games for fun, or at least that used to be the aim. But grinding hour after hour after hour loses its appeal quickly when there is no reward to go along with it. Once you hit a certain ovr, the grind between that and the next upgrades are punishingly long and monotonous.
Personally, I couldn't care less about having a 99ovr that is actually closer to a genuine 89ovr than the label we're given, but I do want those attribute upgrades. The fact that for the 2nd year running, 2k have given us zero control over what we unlock just forces an on-going grind designed to bore 2k's own customers into giving in and creating a new build with the potential for money to be spent on VC, all over again.
This for me, is the most common misconception any critics of the archetype system receive; It's predictable, boring, and not anchored to reality.
I started playing 2k originally because of mycareer; I loved that I could create and grow my own players like KD, MJ, KAJ etc, not to end up as a 99 ovr Joe Ingles (apologies if you're reading this, Joe - loved what you did against playoff P!) Archetypes were introduced for 2 reasons in my opinion; E-sports and limiting what players could do in order to get them to make more builds.
2k15 parks were never this empty ever, even on the night that 2k16 was released, and 2k16 parks were never this empty, and you know what? People were enjoying playing those games right through the games cycle.
2k15 gave us practically unlimited attributes, and I agree that 7ft SF's were an issue, then the 7'2PG glitch was an even bigger issue, but those could have been addressed in a similar way to 16. You want to be 7ft? Great, well now you're going to be slower and worse at ball control, shooting etc.
Another problem with archetypes is that imo they're actually responsible for the many game affecting issues we see now. In 17, players complained about playmakers being able to finish at the rim so effectively, so what happened last year? The attempt to balance that out lead to the layup off the underside of the backboard issue, and this year has lead to the fact that I can barely finish my dinner under the rim as a pure post scorer, never mind hit layups with dudes nearby consistently.
You can almost see the tightrope that 2k are forcing themselves to walk each year, as they try and make all archetypes as both viable and balanced. I don't envy them for putting this much work back on themselves when it's so completely and utterly unnecessary.
People complained about a skills gap the last couple of years as archetypes and badges have proved a crutch to bail out players instead of their own abilities. No one ever complained of a skill gap in 15 or 16 for the very reason that we all had access to the same players. There is no skill gap this year again because shooting builds exist and they can finish contested 40 ft jump shots at a higher rate than I can finish 6 inch layups with a dude behind me.
Give 2 teams of 3 players 99's in each attribute and only silver badges, you'll find the better team wins, give the winners of the first game each a defensive playmaker, and give the other team sharps, and the better team with better players are unlikely to win; that's the opposite of a skillsgap. Being a good 2k player should never come down to running left and right before pressing a button once to shoot.
Junior Moe
You have admitted many times in the past that you don't play modes affected by these issues, and yet you continue to lecture people that do play these modes. Do you ever see any of the mycareer/mypark/pro-am guys in the Myleague or MyGm threads lecturing dudes about what slider sets and rosters they should be using?
Korrupted 10-04-2018 08:56:42 AM (EDT)
Article is garbage. Just get rid of this whole Road to 99 idea and go back to the old format. Top Rep should be determined by playing against actual people not some stupid MyCareer exploited grind. The rep system and VC is payout is a joke in this game. We need some changes next year.
UnbelievablyRAW 10-04-2018 08:58:18 AM (EDT)
Lol that bit about how playing MyCareer doesn't involve having to suffer through anything to be enjoyed is gold. As if getting thrown into the NBA as a 62 OVR and having to use a horrible player for hours and hours is fun. I'm never going to buy VC, but I don't see why the "grind" isn't easy to start with and longer in the end. It shouldn't take hours and hours just to get to 75 (which is just a good or above average role player). If it were up to me, everyone would start at a 70 (like it used to be if I remember properly) so that you would immediately be able to be useful on the court and not rely on cheesing to get a high grade in game. People that have lives and can't dedicate hours and hours to the game will almost never reach a high 80 to 90 rating without buying VC so I always end up playing the mode for a week then going back to quick games in MyTeam or PNO
Yeah this is def has to be a parody piece. Lmfao
Yesh2k
I'm not lecturing anyone. I gave my opinion on the article which I found interesting. You're free to have an opinion on myleague. I don't own it.
I hope OS gives you the modship that you so clearly crave, but calling out guys for "bitching and moaning every day" before then inferring that we're all babies with victim mentalities (poor us, greedy companies) goes a little beyond giving uneducated opinions on modes you don't play.
DakkoN 10-04-2018 09:17:02 AM (EDT)
There is absolutely ZERO reason that this year's iteration of the game doesn't have a mode that is identical to the mode that the E League qualifiers got to play in 2K18 where you got to pick premade archetype players to play games. Imagine if other games that were trying to build their name up as a serious E League game forced you to pay a $20-$50 entry fee just to be able to be somewhat on the same level as the other ELeague prospects. Imagine if in Call of Duty you had to pay 20 bucks just to be able to use that nice M8A7 that all of the other players are getting to shoot and play with. Or if there wasn't such thing as a private match and they had to grind to max level just to be able to equip all of the guns and perks that everybody else is using. There's literally no other reason except for greed that 2k19 doesnt have a similar private match system with fully unlocked archetypes to play with.
It's funny, the author of this article plays these modes and gave his take on the grind. Another poster posted about how he doesn't mind paying because he doesn't care for the grind and just wants to have fun. Their opinions don't matter though because they aren't complaining, do they? Stop acting like your anti VC/grind take is the only one. It isnt. If I did play these modes and cared enough I'd just buy the dang VC and be done with it. But that's just me...
I actually like to play and enjoy my games. I'm only here to get more enjoyment out the games I play. I'm good on the mod, tip. I know nature of the Internet is to complain and moan. Stop getting so worked up over an opinion. I don't expect nor care to change your or anyone elses mind.
mcpats 10-04-2018 09:43:12 AM (EDT)
You have to literally go into a casino and spin a roulette wheel to get your daily bonus. That right there should tell you something about how this game is targeting it's customers
RipCityAndy 10-04-2018 10:11:35 AM (EDT)
VC is garbage and is ruining what is otherwise an excellent series. We as fans need to stand up to 2k and let them know this trend is NOT OK. Other excellent games don't have these predatory microtransactions. Newsflash to the 2k community - you are allowing this happen to yourselves (especially when people write articles titled "How to Embrace the Grind").
For the first time in over a decade I didn't buy 2k this year. The only way this will get fixed is if fans stop purchasing it.
If you read the page previous to this one, I actually addressed some of the things he raised in a specific yet non-confrontational manner because he obviously plays/played the modes on which he's pontificating. In that very post, I even credit 2k for increasing the VC you can earn this year.
I'm just baffled as to why you would turn up in threads about things that don't concern you, and your first impulse is to discredit or make sly digs at people that have genuine issues with elements of the game you dont ever have to face? Let me repeat that, you turn up in threads aimed at VC/grind issues and play "devils advocate" constantly in favour of their practices.
Would anyone who doesn't play battlefront defend EA's approach to microtransactions and attack the actual players of the game without actually experiencing what they were talking about? Of course not, and yet here you are...
I can imagine the holy hell that would rain down on the first mypark player to go into the simnation thread and call them bitchers and moaners because a play that the bulls ran once in the 90's isn't in the game.
I'd like this 20 times if I could.
Optimus James 10-04-2018 10:32:42 AM (EDT)
Embrace that MyPlayer is 100% pay2play.
Theres nothing really to debate anymore
Ive seen mobile games with more leeway to grind.
Don't be baffled. This is an open forum and it's how I view micros. It's not a 2K thing. I don't play Battlferont online. But I feel the same way, don't buy. Stop supporting the product. Whether you buy VC or not youre contributing to the VC economy. But thats 2Ks fault, right? I bought Battlefront on sale for the campaign. I posted the same thing in the Spiderman tread when people were making it seem like them announcing DLC before the games release was nefarious. I bought the game for 60$ a month ago. Im ready to drop whatever on the DLC because i think itll be fun. Its just how I feel about micros. I'm sorry I'm not here to pile on and act like I'm somehow being done wrong or that micro transactions are the worst thing ever. If I did, I doubt you'd have an issue with which modes I play. The same way you folks convienently ignore the others who don't share that narrative. But whatever.
If this guy really cared about "embracing the MyCareer Grind" then he would talk more about how you can embrace the grind. Why bring up the bit about 60k VC skateboard and walking? That's got nothing to do with the grind. There is nothing about this that tries to get people to embrace anything.
All he did was go into old OS threads, and copy/paste the arguments other people have already made, and these other people are the same people who don't play these modes but have all the hot takes in the world.
This was an embarrassing piece of work, period. If anybody actually took this seriously it'd be straight up plagiarism. I'm glad other people brought it up as a parody because that's the only explanation I can have for it being published.
Consumers being anti-consumer is never going to cease being amazing.
Also---"Why does anyone want to be a 99 so quickly?"
Please. Find me a poster here that's ever suggested wanting to be a 99 quickly.
Ah yes, the classic practice of making things up so that you can get more words in.
It's not even about microtransactions my dude. I'll repeat that my own post in this thread praises 2k for the amount of VC you can earn this year. Your repeated "don't like it, don't buy it" mantra is equally, if not more, tiresome.
How about my new mantra "don't play it, don't go into every thread this is discussed and call everyone bitches and moaners".
To be fair to everyone else in this thread, I'll make this my last post in your direction in here, unless of course you have something interesting to say about an issue you never ever encounter. Lol, as if.
If someone actually enjoys the grind, then I don't think anyone cares. As far as I know, no one has ever gone after someone for saying they enjoy the grind. (I would also like to hear from the person that likes starting from 60 every year. Do you exist?)
But when your writing's tone is "You guys are ridiculous for not feeling my way, enjoy the grind and stop whining" then that's when there are problems.
This'll be it for me, too. Its the same thing, with the same people, who for whatever reason, keep supporting this predatory/unfair/greedy/grindy product. If there's an open thread topic about something I wish to opine about that's germane to the discussion, I will. Don't like it, ignore it. Simple.
TheHennessyWilliams 10-04-2018 12:30:19 PM (EDT)
Between dodgeball. Red ball blue ball. The daily spin wheel and the mynba2k app i get all the v.c i need without spending a time. I have lebeled my player up to 81. While only spending 3.99 for that myplayer starter. My first guy got wiped at the beginning so i started over day after game came out. You have to PLAY it and you will be rewarded. Yes some stuff cost a lot of v.c but once you get to 90 you will have nothing to spend it on lol i play myteam so i really just play myplayer to get v.c for myteam so i dont use my team points .
Scary Larry 10-04-2018 01:57:28 PM (EDT)
Not a good week for OS posting the nonsensical 2K apologist hot takes.
Complete joke.
I don't really have any beef with the VC this year. You can earn a lot and I find I can afford always having every boost active on my player throughout the NBA season. Again I only play this for the NBA Career mode I don't play anything online. Which makes me wish the offline version of MyCareer had the story line and so on like the online one does. Offline should have the training for badges available too but I think offline should have an accelerated badge earning speed, maybe double what the online is.
The grind for me is the softcaps take ages to break and once you brake them you have no choice of what you can level, they pick it for you.
The badge grind is also rather tedious. I mean if want my HOF Mid-Range Deadeye for instance. Its going to take me at total of 150,000 points. That is 215 training sessions (yes I know you earn them in games too) with 4 after each game that will take me 58 games. And that is saying I get perfect 3 stars every time. Some of these training things I can't even get 400 every time let alone 700. This could take you months depending on if you have a life, work and so on. Then of course if you start a new player you have to grind those all over again. Maybe they should make those badges tied to your account and not to a specific player, this would make it more rewarding.
SGMRock
As someone who only enjoys playing online, I wish the modes were separated. Grinding for badges is nothing but a waste of time, and I don't want to play against AI at all. I feel like the combination of modes limits both sides rather than pleases either side (although 2k gets to burn through people's wallets). Offline doesn't need caps or like you said, have 2k choose what to upgrade on capbreakers. And online shouldn't require mindless grinding against the AI. No one can convince me they enjoy doing 500 training drills of the same drill to get one badge.
burth179 10-04-2018 02:33:14 PM (EDT)
I feel like the author could have made the same points without being a complete and utter tool about it all. Very condescending and poorly written in my opinion.
I can't say one way of the other whether his points are valid or not since I don't play this game, but was interested to see what was stated about it here.
In one of the recent WWE games 2K put out I thought that it was asking way too much "grinding" on behalf of the user to rank up the wrestler in the career mode.
While I do agree it shouldn't be super easy to rank up your guys, it needs to be somewhat doable and achievable for people who can't play these games 60 hours per week. Need to find the right balance.
BA2929 10-04-2018 03:16:21 PM (EDT)
I'm disappointed that OS gave a public voice to the loud, angry minority. Even if it was essentially to debunk nearly everything they've said. It won't change their minds. They have been made up, and most likely were made up 2-3 years ago. They just keep the troll train going because they have some personal beef with 2k for some reason.
For the people who hate the grind I have a couple of questions.
Would you be ok with the grind if they didn't allow people to get to an 85 with VC? So if everyone had to start at 60 and there was no way to get to an 85 without grinding, would that be ok with the grind?
What if they started you off at a 60 but in the GLeague. So between 60 and 70 you had to play in the GLeague before you played NBA games? Would you feel better equipped to compete in MY career games?
Or what if you could only get badges and level up on Online games (park, pro am and rec center). Essentially have 2 my players. One offline and one online?
What I personally dont want is a bunch of 99s walking around 2 months after the game come out. Interms of paying for clothes and shoes, thats all superficial and is in line with other microtransactions based games. So if you want to pay for those fine. If you dont, then fine.
ASAP Floppy 10-04-2018 03:21:29 PM (EDT)
I'm disappointed that OS gave a public voice to the loud, angry* minority.* Even if it was essentially to debunk* nearly everything they've said.* It won't change their minds. They have been made up, and most likely were made up 2-3 years ago. They just keep the troll train going because they have some personal beef with 2k for some reason.
Say what? People who hate the grind are not the minority.
ASAP Floppy
Another fool who doesn't play the mode and has all the hot takes in the world
You can find them in every thread that talks about 2k negatively because it burns their soul
Wrong, this is the first time ever I have bought this game. I had owned several version of Live when it was in its prime. The grind is not fun though period. The practice drills are a mix of good to really crappy as far as how they work. The MyCareer part of this game is totally geared to people that have nothing to do all day but play this game.
I find that making a custom roster and then adding a create a player to the team you like to play. They you take that team in MyLeague and player lock your player is a good work around for this MyCareer grind but then you miss out on the decent story they made this year for MyCareer. You also have somewhat control your team when you do MyLeague, you can put a lot of stuff on Auto but you need to be careful the CPU doesn't go around making stupid trades or heaven forbid trade the player you created to another team lol.
To me this seems like a real easy fix, the make the MyCareer offline mode more like the online mode but with the ability to control your sliders. Easier way to level badges and more freedom on leveling your player. Everyone is happy this way I am not sure why this is so hard for 2K to get or do.
This article's timing is even funnier when you consider how many people online are not embracing the grind currently and doing the endorsement glitch. Right now if you go into a park it's full of people just standing around, disappearing then reappearing in the same park over and over again.
GLegend1226
Would you be ok with the grind if they didn't allow people to get to an 85 with VC? *So if everyone had to start at 60 and there was no way to get to an 85 without grinding, would that be ok with the grind?
What I personally dont want is a bunch of 99s walking around 2 months after the game come out. Interms of paying for clothes and shoes, thats all superficial and is in line with other microtransactions based games. So if you want to pay for those fine. If you dont, then fine.*
I hope you didn't expect an answer to this from the usual suspects who hate the grind so much. The grind is too much, but so is the VC. They don't want everyone to be a 99, but something better than a 60. Give them a chance, you know? Everyone should be a scrub and "grind" their way up. The floor should be a 70 or 75. They want to play online day one and have a fighting chance against the people who skipped the grind, or as much of it as they could.
Waiting until they have organically built up their character (a novel concept) takes way too long. Thats no fun! Who wants to do that? "I just want to play online; screw the story and playing and building a character up as he goes from literal scrub to The Hall of Fame!" But they aren't trying to spend any money either, so here we are. The onus is on 2K to put in controls make it more "fair" for them.
They won't be happy until either VC is gone (never ever ever gonna happen), or the attributes and badges have so little impact that a huge spread means nothing.
SixGod 10-05-2018 07:35:40 AM (EDT)
I find the problem lies in the fact that it's hard to play with multiple players. Having 1 player isn't so bad because eventually throughout the game's life cycle you'll end up with a decent player even if you play casually. But for those of us who like creating multiple builds, having to earn overlapping badges for the 2nd or 3rd time takes the fun out of it.
Sasselhoff 10-05-2018 11:44:39 AM (EDT)
To "SixGod's" point so very true. My opinion is the grind would and could be fun if only you felt rewarded after doing stuff. And it didn't take that long to get to a good place so you could actually try out other builds. NBA live I feel the reward system and how quickly you level up is in a better place than 2k. You actually feel rewarded after finishing a game.
Yesh2kdone 10-05-2018 02:24:11 PM (EDT)
Aren't you an offline player? If so, why are you speaking on this subject. :nocomprende:
GisherJohn24 10-05-2018 02:39:42 PM (EDT)
60.00 should be the full price for these games. Period. No anniversary editions don't count either. 99.99 is insane for less than a year of basketball. Its a scam and arguably 2k is not as good as it used to be . Case in point.. they used to make money having no VC and they had more respect. It will catch up to 2k . They are now called the EA of basketball.
We need a full accessible game for 60.00
Junior Moe 10-05-2018 03:47:42 PM (EDT)
I don't play nor care for the online stuff. I do play MyCareer. I've actually upgraded my player to a 77 already simply off the VC I've earned playing the game. And Im not a huge MC guy, but I do play it for the variety. I did this without spending a dime in less than a month. So I do know a thing or two about the "grind". And I have an opinion, so I share it. I can do that, you know. The prerequisite to have an opinion about VC and the grind isn't just limited to you raging online park cats. Sorry that triggers you dudes for some reason.
It's kind of funny how sensitive you guys are. Lol
we got a guy here telling others that they're triggered and sensitive, the same dude that will be the first and last in any thread that talks negatively about 2k. Because I've never seen someone love anything in life as much as Junior 2k loves 2k
Who is triggered and sensitive?!
Because you guys are. Not a single one of you have rebutted the points I have been making for years now. Now you're on to who can and can't talk about the grind in an attempt to minimize my view. Like I don't have an inkling of what's going on. I do. Its just a difference of opinion, though. That's all. Kind of like this article. And I am a big fan of 2K. You got me there. You're wrong about me poppin up in negative threads. I don't care. Do you. Apparently 2K is doing something right as you guys (you especially) can't leave it along knowing full well what youre getting into.
Oh, trust me, people have tried refuting your "points" but dealing with a brick wall is dealing with a brick wall. You've pretty much shown you can't control your emotions when it comes to defending 2k, there's really no worthy discussion to ever really be had. All you really try to do is start flame wars, like in this thread.
You're wrong about me poppin up in negative threads. I don't care.
https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k-basketball/939251-how-did-2k-fall-so-far-grace-fan-reviews.html
Please stop embarrassing yourself. If you care so much about an individual's opinion being valued then you wouldn't go around the operating the way you do.
Anyways, this is a classic attempt to derail the thread and get it locked, so I'm done engaging. Just think the shade this guy tries to throw around is incredible and shows how oblivious people can be.
PREACH! Imagine JM in the park if he acts this way in these in the threads. Prime example why JM is a prime example why I can't stand the 2K community for the most part.
IDK what points are not being addressed but I'll add my 2 cents because I'm so fed up with 2k19.
VC is ridiculous and sucks. Why?
First, it's why offline and online are still connected. As an online player, I don't want to play mindless games against the AI. No one can tell me that they enjoy scoring 100 ppg and grinding all their badges. It's mindless and boring. And it takes far too long. They make it so miserable so that people just buy VC so they can go online.
I'll contrast it with NHL and FIFA, two games which do much better with their MyPlayer modes, even though they are made by EA which of course treats players like trash as well. In NHL and FIFA, I immediately begin and can enjoy the game. I start out as a 78-80, level up by playing online games, and don't have to grind against the AI for far too long for stupid badges. I can jump in and compete and enjoy the game. Not only that, but I can experience all positions. I dont get locked into one position, one height, one weight, its just absurd. I can play 3 games as a midfielder, switch to defender, change my height to 6'6, and enjoy the GAME, instead of all the miserable stuff they put between games in 2k.
And it might hurt the offline people too. I'm sure the mode would get less attention, which is a negative, but they wouldn't be restricted by online caps, maybe they could import their own rosters, etc.
Then throw on all the gameplay they lied about leading up to the game and have been silent since then. And the time wasted on VC patches and stuff, rather than fixing the game. I'm glad theres been so many glitches this year. All the BS has made me a wait and see for 2k20 no matter what now.
trandoanhung1991 10-05-2018 09:00:23 PM (EDT)
I've played both online and offline, and the take on the grind is really different.
In park, even as a 60OVR, I can contribute. Most players I've played against generally suck, even at 80+OVR. Coupled with the latency of online and I usually can score/rebound/contribute. Shooting is tough at 60OVR though, even if you make a pure sharp. So the game can be enjoyable if you jump straight to online at 60OVR, depending on your level of skill. However, there's a general disdain for low OVR in the community, so beware of that.
For offline, 60OVR is just appalling. You can't do ANYTHING, since the CPU is very good at defending. So basically you can't really do much until you grind up to a 70-75OVR and have an edge. So prepare to grind mindlessly over and over til you get that 200k VC you desperately need to make the game tolerable. My advice here would be make a pure post, dump into strength, abuse the PnR and post up the guards. That's the only strategy I've managed to make work at <70OVR. But once you hit 75OVR you're good enough to enjoy the game overall.
It's just that to get to 75OVR take so damn long...
What are these mythical points you've been making for years that are going unrebutted, because to be honest, I had to tell you 4 times in this thread that VC wasn't the issue, and you still keep repeating it.
Let me actually lay out exactly what you do; you bastardise the issues people are having, and then mischaracterise them with your straw men fallacies.
We're not sensitive dude, we're just absolutely bored with you spouting off and lecturing people with the same BS in every thread about a mode you don't play.
Oh, that's right, you play it casually and have upgraded your guy to a 77. To upgrade a player to 77 (in the cheapest way possible, but will cost more to upgrade your archetypes key attributes) costs between 115-120k vc. As you haven't spent a dime, I'll average up your vc per game to 1500, which I think is fair.
I'll split the difference and say the cost to 77 is 117.500 vc, so that equals out to about 78 career games, and then to 20 career games per week over a month, and about 3 career games per day broken down further. Am I supposed to believe that someone who is just a casual player has been playing 3 career games per day, every day for a month? How have those endorsement cheques been stacking up, my dude?
Tirelessly repeating straw men arguments about a mode you don't play doesn't make you irrefutable, it's trolling, and is against the ToS for operation sports.
LMFAO! You're doing way too much thinking. In short, its the same points I have been making for years. 2K is a business. I understand that. It's not just 2K, but gaming in general.
If I like a product I buy it. I play and invest time into said product. If there's a way to extend my enjoyment of said product, I have no problem spending money to do just that. I spent about 90$ on AC Origins between the main game and DLC. I'm probably gonna do the same with Spiderman. I just want to enjoy the product. I have no care for whats morally right or wrong. I get the people who think that's predatory or greedy. But that's something each individual has to figure for themselves.
Back to 2K, I'm not here to say that the grind or VC is good or bad. It may be too grindy or expensive. IDK. I've literally never said or inferred that it wasn't. Some people feel like it's too much. That's fair. Some don't mind. Again, fair. Some probably don't care much either way. I've seen opinions that run the spectrum. That's on 2K to find that balance (which will never happen). It's also on the users to know what they are getting themselves into. What I don't like is how you cats are always complaining and crying like your some victim. Then you get all moody when someone comes along who doesn't share that. Not just me, but others who have said they don't mind spending money so they can have fun. "You're part of the problem.; don't feed into it" and blah, blah, blah. On top of that you know exactly what 2K's model has been the last few years.
I don't bastardize anything. You guys like to embellish stuff to fit your "poor me" or "greedy them" narrative. Everything about VC and grinding to upgrade you player is bad or predatory according to you folks. I play MC casually (I also play ML, MGM, occasionally PNO) and I can upgrade my character decently for what I think he is. I'm a rookie coming up on Christmas with a 77 overall. Trae Young, a top 5 pick is a 77. I'm an undrafted Gleague scrub. I don't care about the rating or VC, I'm just having fun. That's probably where I differ from you dudes. I'm not obsessed with VC or my rating. If I had as much fun in the park and needed to be an 85 to do it, I'd just buy the VC. Or come to the park when I was rated high enough to have fun. If I want to play park today, buy VC. Not spending any money, I'll be back when I get rated high enough. Simple.
I don't care what you're tired of, my man. It's pretty easy to ignore me (I thought you were, actually). Since you're struggling with it though I'll do it for you. I ain't going back and forth with you... dudes.
Vroman 10-06-2018 08:57:54 AM (EDT)
It goes a bit too far when business model is to create a problem and offer solution for that problem by selling virtual currency.
In nba 2k case is all this ridiculous grind for your player or building squad in myteam. At the end end they want players to keep spending money for no extra content created at all. And if gaming industry keeps going like this unregulated it will all be thematic virtual casinos .
But hey, if its all people choices anything goes right.
your "it's a business" argument is completely stupid. i can make everything a business. slavery was a business. selling cocain is a business. being a pimp is a business. being a business doesn't mean anything without ethics. and 2k's business concept in context of the video game industry is unethical. simple as that.
concerning your "i'm a gleague guy" argument: yes, it's true, you shouldn't come out of the gleague and be a top tier nba player. but you also shouldn't come into the nba and be the worst player that has ever hit the courts, because why would an nba team be interested in signing the worst player ever? and as yesh2k has already mentioned, i don't believe you when you say that you leveled up to ovr 77 by just playing once in a while. it's just not possible (especially when you are still a 60 ovr), given the vc you make and what it costs to buy upgrades. you need to either grind (e.g. using the 1 minute "glitch") or play many, many games.
Bernte
Call it stupid all you want, but we know that's what it all comes down to. Business. Slavery, since you went there, was largely about economics as reprehensible as it was. As to ethics and business, I can't help but laugh. What world have you been living in? Did you hear about the crazy markup on Epi pens a few years ago because a company essentially had a monopoly?
As for how I upgraded my player, I don't really care what you believe. Like I said before if I cared enough I'd just buy VC. I play mostly ML and MYGM with 11 min qtrs and custom difficulty. I play MC for the narrative and challange. Most years, I have dozens to hundreds of thousand of VC just sitting there when the new 2K comes out. Once I finish the story I never touch MC or VC again.
Bernte 10-06-2018 01:00:51 PM (EDT)
what are you talking about? repeating an argument over and over again ("business blahblah it's a business blahblah") isn't realling getting you anywhere. and that you seem to believe that business ethics is a joke, tells a lot about you as an individual.
if you play mc for the narrative, you should have stopped after the gleague part, because that's when the story ends.
bigsmallwood 10-06-2018 01:46:09 PM (EDT)
Excellent write up! People need to embrace the grind and work on their game as a real player would have to do in order to get better. The only gripe I have with. 2K is the fact that your impact on the game should be scored differently based upon the created player. Dennis Rodman and Charles Barkley were AMAZING rebounders and their defense impacted games immensely! You cannot score a player lowly just because they are not averaging 30 PPG. Reward players who get steals or cause consistent turnovers or who TAKE OVER the game in their own way in crunch time. Otherwise this is an excellent game
What's funny is that you seem to think business and ethics are somehow linked when they are not. Its a nice notion but it isn't reality. As for the rest, I'm done. You habitual park VC/grind complainers are all the same. I'll play and enjoy the game how I want in whatever capacity I want. Hopefully the entire gaming industry changes in a year and y'all won't have to rehas the same thing for 2K20.
ILLSmak
Yep, 100%.
All-Star Teamup was an equalizer as a break from the unevenness last year but where tf did that go in 2k19? It's m.i.a.
1) 2K likes this model though 'cause it gives the little bum casual Billy some hope, all he has to do is grind some badges and can go find a 'glitchy jumper' from some youtuber and compete with the rest.
2) It's amazing how many players would suck without their character. 2K is so much about finding the 'best OP character' rather than proving who has the best skills. It's at direct odds with each other 'cause some of the best players I know don't have the time to grind, but they should still be able to compete. This game rewards 'addicts' lol. Which, unsurprisingly is exactly what 2K wants. I guess it's like COD if you have a bb gun vs a bazooka, it's gonna reward the grinders. But it sucks that a segment of the community will be isolated from real comp because of the need to grind.
laflame 10-06-2018 10:12:21 PM (EDT)
The anti consumerism is embarrassing, 2k has multi-million dollars they do not need you to defend them.
laflame
Embarrassing to you maybe. I think it's embarrassing that the same cats keep falling for the same crap and then moan and cry about it. Sorry I'm not shocked and appalled at capitalism; or understanding that a for profit company will try to bleed every dollar out of you that it can (and YOU let it). It's like going to the movie theater and being shocked that Milk Duds are $3.50 when you can get them for a $1 at WalMart.That's a stupid markup. I wouldn't blame anyone for not buying it. I don't, and I love Milk Duds. I just don't see it as inherently good or bad, though. I can not purchase, and still enjoy a movie just fine.
Yet again in this thread you're attacking other forum members. Good for you dude. If your join date was 2018 instead of 2009, there is no doubt your name would be pink by now.
How many times is this clown going to say he's done and then keep coming back?
"You aren't going to change these dudes minds"
Yeah, you're not. But you keep coming back. Sound familiar?
Gosens6 10-07-2018 11:16:01 AM (EDT)
I mean, isn't it kinda like how you guys keep trying to change 2Ks mind about their VC and greedy practices.
They don't, yet you continually buy the game year after year knowing their VC policy? You guys get so mad and torture yourself year after year.
Coming to the forums and saying what greedy bastards they are, and it's a scam and this and that, yet you keep giving a company $60 every year for a game you apparently hate.
I don't know, I don't really care, just my observations
路*♂
Why do you guys care so much what other people think and do?
So let me be clear, we're qualified to bitch about stuff ONLY if we didn't buy the game?
kehlis 10-07-2018 11:21:49 AM (EDT)
Drop it.
He actually hasn't attacked anyone. He gave his opinion and those of you who took it to heart are the ones who perceived it as an attack.
As much as you are allowed to give your opinion, so is he. There has been an actual good amount of trolling being done towards him in this thread that have names a lot closer to pink than his name.
And no, join date has no bearing. I've had no issues banning people in the past who have been around since the sites inception. And I don't even know this user.
If you guys want him to stop posting, then take your own advice and stop posting. No one is changing anyone's mind at this point.
kehlis
You're telling HIM to drop it even after this other guy said he'd leave and keeps coming back to piss on the flames?
You really gonna tell us that he hasn't done any trolling while he is going around making strawman arguments, calling others criers and moaners?
Nobody has attacked anyone who had a differing opinion. Where in this thread do you see someone say "I enjoy the grind" and see others saying NO YOU SHOULDN'T?
At the end of my post, I literally said I don't care, just making observations, which I'm allowed to do on an open forum.
Whatever disagreement you got into with a previous poster, you seem to be REALLY taking to heart, man. I'm not judging you or anyone else, I just don't think it's that serious like kehlis said.
No. I'm telling everyone to drop it. Him included.
(Also, users who make strawmam arguments aren't violating the TOS. They are just bad at debates)
What you are perceiving as attacks, are actually discussion in a debate.
He's only discussed arguments made by others. That is NOT trolling.
What is trolling is users attacking an individual which many have done towards him yet he has yet to do in this thread.
Gosens6
I think we're all aware that we're not going to change 2k's mind, and I've praised them numerous times in this thread about how much VC you can earn.
I tried to get my money back this year from PSN and 2k but was unsuccessful, not because of "2k and their greedy practices", but because of the way they told us in the lead up to release that they heard our complaints about the monotonous grind and had learned from last year. Upon release they had, but before the game had been out a week, they were already nerfing the amount of XP you could earn pushing the grind closer to 2k18, than the release of this game. If there is any mention of a road to 99 and/or archetypes in 2k20, I'm out. It's not fun anymore doing this, and although this game is a massive improvement over the last 2 years in terms of gameplay, the trajectory since 15 and 16 is in the wrong direction for me as a gamer. I'll be disappointed, of course but video games should be fun, so this notion of grinding in and of itself is the antithesis of why people would admit they enjoy playing games to begin with.
Incidentally, the same grind that OS wrote a piece about how much we should enjoy it. Da Daaaaa; here we are. We're not randomly moaning about 2k for ****s and giggles, this is a topic started up by the forum itself. Lots of people have a different opinions to me about this matter, and that's completely fine; no one wants to post on a forum full of the same opinions, but where this guy is different is that he admits he doesn't play the mode and constantly posts the same things making digs at other forum users, calling people most names under the sun.
It would be like me going into the myleague thread and telling everyone to stop using custom slider sets because 2k have already made one and they aren't going to change, calling you all bitches and then doing the same the day after, and then the day after that, and then the day after that, and then in 2k20, and then 21. I'm sure at the start, you'd think I was a bit of a loon, but then it would start to wear thin after a while, and people (myself included) have had enough of it.
People in this very thread have said that the grind is fun and that's how it should be, that's fair enough. I disagree with them, but their opinions are as valid to be heard/read as mine. Except no one has had an issue with those dudes, but have an issue with the one particular dude, and for that, there's a very good reason.
I was writing my last post when you had posted this, so apologies. I'll gladly drop it for you, especially as I'm so close to pink already. I won't pst anymore, you have my word.
All you guys who have complaints about the grind, in my opinion have valid points. Who am I to judge the gameplay mode you love?
I don't know about the other guy you're having a disagreement with, so I can't give my opinion on that.
The only thing I was making an opinion on is how some folks purchase this game year after year knowing 2Ks VC practices.
Now, if they promised changes to the grind, making it easier, then went back on that promise AFTER release and made it the way it used to be, yeah, that's messed up and you absolutely have the right to voice your complaints about it.
Now if this guy really does go into thread after thread and just attach my career guys, yeah, that's trolling.
Find some examples, send em to the devs so they can see it happening. I haven't seen it in this thread, though. That's all I'm saying.
I don't play My Career or online, so my opinion about VC and the grind don't matter whatsoever, so I'll never give you online guys any grief about how you play or what you play. Like you said, you don't come into offline threads telling us to play my career cause offline modes suck. So I say to each their own.
For accuracy's sake, you weren't telling everyone to drop it, you were telling me, and only me. Check your pm's please.
there's a difference between 'buying the game' and 'buying the game + additionally buying ****loads of vc for an irresponsible amount of money'. if people wouldn't do the latter, vc would be gone before you could say "microtransactions suck balls". alas, it will never happen, because too many people don't understand how economics work.
MadAngryGamer 10-07-2018 02:51:53 PM (EDT)
This is an obvious shill article.
This pathetic 2K bribed article is nothing more than a fuck-you to everyone.
Tell us Kevin, how much VC did you get for writing this junk.
Actually, don't tell us, coz your just a lyin 2K biatch!
zello144 10-07-2018 04:05:48 PM (EDT)
The 2k grind helps you become a better player imo. Because your ratings are so low you have to be smart with how you play you know you aren't going to be the fastest and you really have to pick your shots very wisely and really understand your jump shot and timing.
kehlis 10-07-2018 04:27:34 PM (EDT)
For accuracy sake, no, I wasn't telling just you to drop it.
Just because I quoted your post doesn't mean that I'm speaking only to you.
And yes, read your PM. I can't delete your account, I could only ban it which I'm not going to do because you haven't done anything worthy of being banned.
I don't think telling people to not be outraged is a good look. It is kind of trolling like umad? U paid u believed the hype, and yes of course 2k is gonna make it seem like the grind is less haha. This year it'll be even more grind!
Also where is the well written article as to why 2ks grind is unbearable. We only know what happened like sales numbers. We don't know that without grind that they could have not made more money.
The heart of capitalism to me is you make the better product you get to charge what you want, supply and demand etc. But going into the psychology of advertising and getting people "addicted" to something... Games or social media, then bleeding them of time or money or attention, might be end game capitalism but it's not the intended end. Just like the intended end of democracy wasn't what we have now. It's corrupted.
The outrage is renewed esp when they post an article like this. Don't come in here like you dudes got played umad, sorry u can't enjoy the game, cuz I do. Cuz I don't play the same modes lololol.
Seems like something that anyone would take to heart.
Hahaha, so moderators are allowed to share the content of PM's with the rest of the forum?
I know I take myself too seriously in your opinion, but is this acceptable on the forum?
Can you please arrange for my account to be deleted. I can't just log out because you've made it blatantly clear I have a reason to fear for my data protection with your actions.
I apologise to anyone reading this, I wanted to deal with this in privately away from the forum, but it's clear that this moderator feels it's acceptable to share Pm's with everyone else.
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Rockie_Fresh88 10-08-2018 06:55:52 AM (EDT)
One thing about the grind that's been tough for me...
I like playing multiple positions and multiple styles . So constantly having to regrind badges is overwhelming .
franzis 10-08-2018 08:07:35 AM (EDT)
A distinction has to be made between grinding for badges and grinding for cap breakers.
To me grinding for badges is fine and balanced as a whole.
You can get gold badges (which are more than enough for being competitive) in a reasonable amount of time by playing and by practicing.
And, ABOVE ALL, you can choose which budges unlock first.
It's all about that, as I can be not interested in having Gold tear dropper even if I am a slasher, and decide to upgrade it after corner specialist.
On the opposite, grinding for cap breakers can be so much frustrating because you cannot choose the attributes to unlock, so I'm not allowed to prioritize, for instance, strength over passing.
This is the biggest flaw of the system they put in place.
And the sad thing is that 2k17 (which introduced archetypes) gave you such freedom.
So basically they broke something that was working just fine.
I didn't feel like this piece was even worth responding to. But hey, might as well do it.
In the beginning, he says this "I thought I'd have a look at some of the complaints from the 2K community and analyze the validity of their arguments. To do this, I'll be using actual comments taken directly from the NBA2K subreddit."
Alright, so he's decided to personally pick which comments he wants to go after. I'll bet you people there made the same counterpoints I make, but he chose to ignore it. These are the quotes he used:
-I don't know about a piece of human trash, but is it really all that surprising that you would start as a lowly scrub when you begin your career in NBA 2K19? What were you expecting? That you would start out as an 80 overall without doing anything at all? That would defeat the whole purpose of progression and provide little sense of accomplishment for improving. Yes, your player isn't going to be very good at all at the outset but that offers all the more incentive to play the game, improve your skills on the court, and this will ultimately lead to accumulating enough VC to start boosting those attributes.
Counterpoint: Nobody is expecting to start at 80, but being a 60 with no skills is also way too far on the other end of the spectrum.
-I'm sorry, are you being forced to work long hours at some sort of 2K slave labor camp? It clearly must be some kind of horrible predicament that people find themselves in to speak of playing a basketball video game as if they are instead toiling away in a coal mine or doing similarly hard labor.
Counterpoint: Who took this to 2k slave labor camp? Nobody except the author. If he actually paid attention to what the person wrote, then he might catch the point, which is that the amount of VC you earn per game isn't proportional to what you spend it on. A max contract is 1100 VC, and a shoe can be 5k VC. It might be less, but either way, a shoe costs more than what you earn. But, it's just cosmetics and doesn't have an effect on gameplay, so I personally don't really care about that. Problem is that if you start from 0 VC, then you're spending all your VC on upgrades, which costs a lot.
I don't have specific feelings towards this thing either way. Offline and online should be separated. Offline guys should have much more freedom. Archetypes, I think, are necessary online for balance. With that being said, "In a perfect world they'd be able to create a 7-footer who moves with quickness of Westbrook, etc. etc." Who said this except the author? He's just making things up. This is a problem I have with this kind of writing. He just takes everything people say to the extreme.
Don't feel much about this, I do think it can be unforgiving, but it's not the biggest deal in the world (And quite frankly doesn't really have much to do with the grind) But again, he says "What they are really seeking though is absolute validation after every game that they played the best possible game imaginable and could not have done one little thing better if they tried. But shouldn't an A+ grade be fairly hard to achieve?" He's right, an A+ SHOULD be hard to achieve. But again, his first statement is him just making things up. Nobody said that A+ should be easy. They said there are flaws in the grading system. That's all.
Guess what? It takes a lot of practice to become a professional basketball player. You can't just step on a court and suddenly start hitting shots from all over the court. It's going to take some time in the team training facility working on the same drills over and over again.
-He's not wrong about this, but this goes to another topic: there needs to be a mode, similar to the combine, where people can just play with preset builds and go at it competitively. These preset builds don't need to be demigods, but what they had at the combine last year was just fine. There are several other games doing just fine that give you a similar option and I don't think it's too much to ask to play on equal footing. There will always be people who want to have players with lots of badges and all that, park cheese etc., that's not going away, but there are also people who wish they can play a balanced mode where they're not at a constant disadvantage because somebody else plays the game far more frequently. There can be room for a grinded mode and a non-grinded mode.
. Yes, it would be nice if NBA 2K19 had separate parks for people depending on how high an overall their player is to make things a little more fair and competitive, but until that happens to steer clear of the Park unless you're prepared to go up against players that have better attributes than you.
He acknowledges this as a problem, and this IS a problem. There should be ways for everybody to play, and the nature of this mode can be rather exclusive. I don't think that's a good thing, to have a "Grind for weeks or pay $X for VC" entry fee.
Didn't really find this series of questions to pertain to "embracing the grind" so I'm not going to bother.
I would love to find the person that says "I want everything now" or even close to it. I think everybody has a different reason for not liking the system, so putting everybody under the same umbrella isn't right.
I'm a huge hoops fan. A lot of people here are. A lot of us like to play in different ways. And a very common gripe is that you are stuck with one player unless you fork over a crazy amount of time or money, and that dampens the experience. You see a game like NHL or FIFA where you can play these kinds of modes immediately without having to sacrifice so much, if I want to play defense one game I can, and I can play offense the next game. I'm not Messi or Crosby but I'm serviceable, you can't say that about a 60 rated player in 2k. it's disappointing to see 2k charging these prices while releasing a buggy as hell game (MLO is so broken right now and that would have been the other go to), and when EVERYTHING is centered around VC, you really can't afford to make mistakes with your build.
TBH, at first in 2k15, I didn't really care about putting in extra money for VC. It's the game I play most, and that extra cost didn't bother me. But throughout the years, they've done a bunch of little things that start to nag on you. Charging for animations, making you buy it for each player you make, limiting the VC you can earn from the phone app (It's only 100 VC a day, you used to be able to get 1000+ on a good day), upgrades used to cost MUCH less and it ballooned in 2k16 or 2k17, charging higher prices for animations, etc. It started making little things that much more annoying, especially buggy releases where Pro-AM doesn't work for the first 2 months of release. It really started to feel like they were trying to see how far they could go with it, good thing the community had such strong backlash or it would have been even worse this year.
As for the "Stop supporting it then" Well, I would, but they pretty much embellished some things about the game that are not holding up. MLO is a completely broken disaster and that's what I used to get 2k for. But even if I didn't buy the game, I'd still post these same complaints in hopes that next year's game is a better experience, and the year after. It's something called feedback and it's never going away.....
I don't care to get to a 99 at all . But major caps are locked until I reach a certain overall . I really need to unlock driving contact dunks for my build to play how he should.
There's a guy with my build and 93 overall. He still doesn't have contact dunks . Feels like I'm being punished here . Or like I'm working a job and getting paid in pennies.
Rockie_Fresh88
Exactly, the progression decided by 2k makes little sense as well.
I expected that the key attributes of my build (primary and secondary archetype) would be all unlocked in the early 90s (92 top), leaving the rest of the grind for unlocking the other attributes.
But it doesn't seem to be the case: I'm a playmaking slasher with 89 ovr and I have FOUR caps to unlock for ball handling yet.
TheFinalEvent97 10-09-2018 06:16:53 AM (EDT)
Could be worse, my 6'11 Two Way Athletic Finisher is 92 OVR and STILL hasn't got the last cap breaker in dunks!?
TheFinalEvent97
That's nonsense, and iirc it wasn't like that in 2k18
My slasher have a couple of caps to unlock for dunks too.
At least I could unlock the pro contact dunks
welp im 87 right now and now know its a long fking grind still waiting :(
Yeah Idk why you'd expect that when that is just another 2K VC trick lol. Be grinding and then it unlocks like "FT" "Post Offense" and "Reb"..... and Ima PM SS Point guard. Actually was worse in 2k18 tho
Make a GC center if you wanna rep up fast. 1) You get into JRC waaay faster so less waiting 2) I've repped up like twice as fast with my C vs G
ToughJuice 10-09-2018 03:11:29 PM (EDT)
How much VC did you get to write this "article"?
Dedicated2389 10-09-2018 03:56:19 PM (EDT)
Excellent article, I only paid $60 bucks for my 2k (like almost every other game). I dont get why kids are crying about VC when you dont NEED it, you just WANT it. And VC is literally everywhere, i gain VC from every game mode it seems like so I always have more than enough.
I literally "grind" in the mycareer mode, I thought that was the point of mycareer to grind a bum into a superstar. If I want to play with a superstar immediately than I can just do a player lock my league or somethin.
Buying VC is literally an option, i remember days when there wasnt any VC and u had no choice but to grind.
Dedicated2389
How many players u got? I know I never had enough vc and that's not to mention wack badge grind. I had almost ten guys. If the gm is good why would you not wanna experience it from every angle? It makes you a better player. I think it's cool that people can be like I'm gonna be this build and grind it up this year and never stop but that seems boring to me.
I feel like this thread should be locked. Nothing productive is happening in here any more. I wouldn't normally suggest it but the tone has shifted. It's now us v them like it seems every vc thread becomes.
In short the reply to your post would be, the purpose of Mc is to grind but the purpose of online pvp is to be accessible competition. Remember those days too? That the most fleshed pvp mode is only accessible with my players, the grind becomes an issue.
If they added a combine like mode I'd prol pay 60 for the game too. I'd pay 30/40 for a stand alone version of that. So money ain't a thing. It's the limitations. Like rockie said we might all not be that way, but some of us wanna try everything and there's no reason we can't. We don't need to, we want to. But don't act like that's some unreasonable wish. It's only their design that prevents us. Vc is no issue cuz even w infinite vc you'd still probably have to grind to experience the different builds.
Exactly. A lot of us just want to play something that's balanced from the get-go. Nobody said it needs to be 99. Just balanced.
Having an entry fee on top of the game is dumb. Sure, it's a choice, but it's still dumb. and exclusive by nature.
ToughJuice
He got just enough to color his hair from the barber shop and a green armband.
awg811 10-09-2018 06:48:15 PM (EDT)
So, according to him, you should start at a 60 because it's realistic that you would be bad to start. But, he's ok with buying your way to 85?
Seems like someone wrote a troll article!
Keith01 10-15-2018 02:46:31 AM (EDT)
Can see your point about mycareer vs cpu, but this limits the poil for competitive pro am players alot. A lot of "pro" level players get left out because it's more about developing a character than showing your skills.
infam0us 10-15-2018 12:50:07 PM (EDT)
Keith01
Yeah which is why they need to separate MyCareer and Pro-Am. The previous years the season to me was the tedious grind to build up a player that I only wanted for Pro-Am. Like I wasn't having fun playing a season but you had to do it if you wanted to level up and get badges efficiently.
NxckBrxdlvy 10-15-2018 07:58:02 PM (EDT)
i'm late but boy this article stinks lol
olajuwon34 10-17-2018 03:01:45 AM (EDT)
There's no warranting this games grind or the way that they operate, were talking about sports games, that use to be quick access fun, you pop in the game, and everything is right there. With nba 2k though, they brought in the singleplayer with VC back in 2k13 i believe, and it was manageable and still rewarding in most ways, complete opposite now, if i wanted to grind in a game il play destiny or some rpg style game, not a damn basketball game.
I keep saying this because it really is the worst part:
there is NO game (RPGs, Souls like, MMOs, Ftp, etc.) that requires you to grind over and over and over for unlocking/upgrading some skills without letting you decide what unlock/upgrade at least.
This HAS to go away.
awg811 10-17-2018 08:49:37 AM (EDT)
For those wanting 2k to separate mycareer from online or for them to add in a 2k league combine type pro am, you can forget it.
If they did that they would lose money and there's no chance they will do anything that loses them money!
I say this because if there was an option to just play pro am with no grinding, I'd never grind or spend a dime to upgrade a player.
2k knows there are tons of people just like me and therefore it will never happen.
Fredette 10-18-2018 12:27:21 AM (EDT)
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Thanks for this authentic article. Now I support the darkside of gaming-industry....Hail to the Kings! 2K and EA! Forever embraced in microtransactions... True love!
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