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To Depose an Evil Governor, and Kill A Tyrant: John Ponet's "Short Treatise," Part IV
by John Ponet
"For punishment of a tyrant among Christian men, the question is, whether it is lawful to kill such a monster and cruel beast covered with the shape of a man."
In John Ponet's final remarks on political philosophy, the "Marian exile" Bishop of Winchester struck at the remaining roots of late medieval royalism. The Short Treatise's fifth chapter dispels the feudal mythology that the king owned all the realm as his personal property. To Ponet, the commonwealth remained the prince's overriding and proper interest. The good prince existed on a meager taxation and ruled wisely, purely for the good of his charges. Should worldly rulers exceed their natural and moral authorities, however, the sixth chapter argues that the people may go so far as executing kings. No longer should the English labor under the false feudal idea that the king's body was a sacred instrument. Men—which is to say all men—were by nature corrupt and fallen. He and his contemporaries had only glance around them to see the results of evil, self-interested rulers. The Bishop concluded that "Kings, princes, and other governors, although they are the heads of a political body, yet they are not the whole body," and that sometimes even decapitation could be justified. Yet if the people refused to replace wicked leaders with new heads-of-state, they had only themselves to blame should God demolish their evil society.
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A Short Treatise on Political Power, and of the true obedience which subjects our to kings and other civil governors, with an Exhortation to all true and natural English men.
Compiled by Dr. John Ponet, Bishop of Rochester and Worchester.
Chapter V. Whether All The Subject's Goods Be The Kaisers and Kings Own, And That They May Lawfully Take Them As Their Own.
The Anabaptists wresting Scripture to serve their madness, among other foul errors, have this: that all things ought to be common, they imagine man to be of that purity that he was before the Fall, that is, clean without sin, or that (if he will) he may so be: and that as when there was no sin, all things were common, so they ought to be now.
But this mingling of the state of man before the Fall, and of him after the Fall deceives them much. For by the Fall, and ever after the Fall, this corruptible flesh of man is clogged with sin, and shall never be rid of sin, as long as it is in this corrupt world, but shall be always disposed and prone to do that which is evil. Therefore, as one means to be uncombered of the heap of sin, God ordained that man should get his living by the sweat of the brow: and that he should be the more forced to labor, the distinction of things and property (mine, and yours) was (contrary to Plato's opinion) ordained, being apparent by these two laws: Thou shall not steal: Thou shall not covet your neighbors wife, not his servant, nor his maid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is his. Afterward, in deed, Scripture speaks of communion of things, not that they ought so to be (for so Scripture should be directly against Scripture) but that there was such charity among people, that of their own free will, they gave and sold all they had, to relieve the misery of their poor brethren: who for impotency, or for multitude of children, were not with their labor able to get sufficient to relieve their necessity. Nor of this so given might every man take as much as lusted for, but to everyone (according to his necessity) sufficient was distributed. So that it stood in the liberality of the giver, and not in the liberty of the taker.
But there are some in these days, not of the meanest or poorest sort, but of the chief and rich: that is, many wicked governors and rulers, who in this error excel the common Anabaptists. For the common Anabaptists do not only take other men's goods as common, but are content to let their own also be common, which smacks of some charity: for they themselves do not to others, but as they themselves are content to suffer.
But the evil governors and rulers will have all that their subjects have, common to themselves, but they themselves will depart with nothing, but where they ought not: no, not so much as pay for those things, that in words they pretend to buy of their subjects, not pay those poor men their wages, whom they force to labor and toil in their works. But the manner of coming thereby is so divers, that it makes the justness of their doings much suspect. For some do it under pretense to do the people good: some by crafty and subtle means, color their doings: and some of right (but without right) claim them for their own.
Of the first sort are those, that put great taxes and impositions on drink, for as much as the people with overmuch drinking become drunkards (and so sin against God) they would seem by making them pay as much or more to them as the drink is worth, they should force them the rather to abstain from too much drinking, and so from sin. But in this it may appear they seek not abstinence from sin, and the wealth of the people, but their own private profit…
The second sort be those that rob the people indeed, yet would not have their doings known. They walk in nets, and think no man sees them. And of this kind be those, that contrary to all laws (both of God and man) and contrary to their other, changing the coin that is ordained to run between man to man, turning the substance from gold to copper, from silver to worse than pewter, and advancing and diminishing the price at their pleasure…
The third sort of these evil princes are those that claim all their subjects goods for their own, who allege for them this common saying: All things are the Kaisers, all things be the kings, all things be the princes. And as the devil brought forth Scripture to serve his purpose against Christ, so they abhorring all other parts of Scripture, that teach them their office or Christian duty, pike out only a piece that may maintain their tyranny…
But let us imagine an untruth, that all the subjects goods were the princes, and that he might take them at his pleasure. Let us imagine, that the subjects were only carnal men without knowledge and fear of God. Yes, and let it be granted also, that they were spoiled of all their armor, and great garrisons set in every place to keep them in office, so that they had not wherewith to address their injuries, as nature would counsel them: were this a way to make the people labor, when others should take the bread out of their mouths? Would they desire to increase the world with children, when they knew that they should be left in the worst estate, than unreasonable beasts? No surely, and that you may see by the work of nature in the people of the West Indies, now called New Spain: who knew of Christ nothing at all, and of God no more that nature taught them. The people of that country when the Catholic Spaniards came to them, were simple and plain men, and lived without great labor, the land was naturally so plentiful of all things, and continually the trees had ripe fruit on them. When the Spaniards had by flattery put in their foot, and little by little made themselves strong, building forts in various places, they to get the fold that was there, forced the people (that were no used to labor) to stand all the day in the hot sun gathering gold in the sand of the rivers. By this means a great number of them (not used to such pains) died, and a great number of them (seeing themselves brought from so quiet a life to such misery and slavery) of depression killed themselves. And many would not marry, because they would not have their children slaves to the Spaniards. The women when they felt themselves with child, would eat a certain herb to destroy the child in the womb. So that where at the coming of the Spaniards, there were believed to be in that country nine hundred thousand persons, there were in short time by this means so few left, as Peter Martyr (who was one of the Emperor Charles the fifth's counsel there, and wrote this history to the Emperor) says, it was a shame for him to name.
This is the fruit, where princes take all their subjects things as their own. And where at length will it come, but that either they must be no kings, or else kings without people, which is all one. But you will say: where comes this common saying: all things be the kaisers, all things be the kings? It cannot come from nothing. But with that already said, you see that every man may keep his own, and none may take it from him, so that it cannot be interpreted, that all things be the kaisers or kings, as his own property, or that they may take them from their subjects at their pleasure, but thus it is to be expounded, that they ought to defend what every man has, that he may quietly enjoy his own, and to see that they be not robbed or spoiled thereof…The princes watch ought to defend the poor man's house, his labor the subject's ease, his diligence the subject's pleasure, his trouble the subject's quietness. And as the sun never stood still but continually goes about the world, doing his office: with his heat refreshing and comforting all natural things in the world: so ought a good prince to be continually occupied in his ministry, not seeking his own profit, but the wealth of those that are committed to his charge…
Chapter VI. Whether It Be Lawful To Depose An Evil Governor, And Kill A Tyrant.
As there is no better nor happier commonwealth nor no greater blessing of God, than where one rules, if he is a good, just, and godly man: so there is no worse nor none more miserable, nor greater plague of God, than where one rules, that is evil, unjust and ungodly. A good man knowing that he or those by whom he claims was to such office called for his virtue, to see the whole state well governed, and the people defended from injuries: neglecting utterly his own pleasure and profit, and bestows all his study and labor to see his office well discharged. And as a good physician earnestly seeks the health of his patient and a shipmaster the wealth and safeguard of those he has in his ship, so does a good governor seek the wealth of those he rules. And therefore the people feeling the benefit coming by good governors, used in times past to call such good governors, fathers: and gave them no less honor than children owe to their parents. And evil person coming to the government of any state, either by usurpation, or by election or by succession, utterly neglecting the cause why kings, princes, and other governors in commonwealths be made (that is, the wealth of the people) seeks only or chiefly his own profit and pleasure. And as a sow coming into a fair garden, roots up all the fair and sweet flowers and wholesome simples, leaving nothing behind, but her own filthy dirt: so does an evil governor subvert the laws and orders, or makes them to be wrenched or racked to serve his affections, that they can no longer do their office. He spoils the people of their goods, either by open violence, making his ministers to take it from them without payment therefore, or promising and never paying: or craftily under the mane of loans, benevolences, contributions, and such gay painted words, or forbear he gets out of their possession that they have, and never restores it. And when he has it, consumes it, not to the benefit and profit of the commonwealth, but on whores, whoremongers, dice games, cards, bankletting, unjust wars, and such evils and mischiefs, wherein he delights. He spoils and takes away from them their armor and harness, that they shall not be able to use any force to defend their right. And not content to have brought them in to such misery (to be sure of his state) seeks and takes all occasions to dispatch them of their lives. If a man keeps his house, and nothing in metal, than shall it be said that he frets at the state. If he comes abroad and speaks to any other, further with it is taken for a just conspiracy. If he says nothing, and shows a merry countenance, it is a token, that he despises the government. If he look sorrowful, than he laments the state of his country, how many so ever be for any cause committed to prison, are not only asked, but are racked also to show whether he is privy of their doings. If he departs, because he would live quietly, then he is proclaimed an open enemy. to be short, there in no doing, no gesture, no behavior, no place can preserve or defend innocence against such a governor's cruelty: but as a hunter makes wild beasts his pray, and uses toils, nets, snares, traps, dogs, ferrets, mining and digging the ground, guns, bows, spears, and all other instruments, engines, subtle devises and means, whereby he may come by his prey: so does a wicked governor make the people his game and prey, and uses all kinds of subtleties, deceits, crafts, policies, force, violence, cruelty, and such devilish ways, to spoil and destroy the people, that be committed to his charge. And when he is not able without most manifest cruelty to do by himself that which he desires, then fain unjust causes to cast them into prison, where like as the bearwards muzzle the bears, and tie them to the stakes, while they are baited and killed by mastiffs and curies, so he keeps them in chains, while the bishops and his other tormentors and heretical inquisitors do tear and devour them. Finally, he says and denies, he promises and breaks promises, he swears and forswears, and no other passes on God nor the devil (as the common saying is) so he may bring to pass that which he desires. Such an evil governor men properly call a tyrant.
Now for as much as there is no express positive law for punishment of a tyrant among Christian men, the question is, whether it is lawful to kill such a monster and cruel beast covered with the shape of a man.
And first for the better and more plain prose of this matter, the manifold and continual examples that have been from time to time of the deposing of kings, and killing of tyrants, do most certainly confirm it to be most true, just and constant to God's judgment. The history of kings in the Old Testament is full of it…
But here you see the body of every state may (if it will) yea and ought to redress and correct the vices and heads of their governors. And for as much as you have already seen, whereof political power and government grows, and the end where unto it was ordained: and seeing it is before manifestly and sufficiently proved, that kings and princes have not an absolute power over their subjects: that they are and ought to be subject to the law of God, and the wholesome positive laws of their country: and that they may not lawfully take or use their subjects goods at their pleasure: the reasons, arguments, and law that serve for the deposing and displacing of an evil governor, will do as much for the proof, that it is lawful to kill a tyrant, if they may be indifferently heard. As God has ordained magistrates to hear and determine private men's matters, and to punish their vices: so also will he, that the magistrates doings be called into account and reckoning, and their vices corrected and punished by the body of the whole congregation or commonwealth…
For in some places and countries they have more and greater authority, in some places less. And in some the people have not given this authority to any other, but retain and exercise it themselves. And is any man so unreasonable to deny, that the whole may do as much as they have permitted one member to do? Or those that have appointed an office upon trust, have not authority upon just occasion (as the abuse of it) to take away that they gave? All laws do agree, that men may revoke their proxies and letters of Attorney, when it pleased them: much more when they see their proctors and attorneys abuse it…
For it is no private law to a few or certain people, but common to all: not written in books, but grafted in the hearts of men: not made by man, but ordained of God: which we have not learned, received or read, but have taken, sucked, and drown it out of nature: where unto we are not taught, but made: not instructed, but seasoned: and (as St. Paul says) man's conscience bearing witness of it.
This law testifies to every man's conscience, that it is natural to cut away an incurable member, which (being suffered) would destroy the whole body.
Kings, princes, and other governors, although they are the heads of a political body, yet they are not the whole body. And though they be the chief members, yet they are but members: no other are the people ordained for them, but they are ordained for the people…
Good kings, governors, and states in time past took it to be the greatest honor that could be, not to take cities and realms to their own use (when they were called to aid and relieve the oppressed) as princes do now a days: but to rescue and deliver the people and countries from the tyranny of the governors, and to restore them to their liberties…
If a prince robs and spoils his subjects, it is theft, and as a thief ought to be punished. If he kills and murders them contrary or without the laws of his country, it is murder, and a murderer he ought to be punished. If he commits adultery, he is an adulterer and ought to be punished with the same pains that others be. If he violently ravish men's wives, daughters, or maidens, the laws that are made against ravishers, ought to be executed on him. If he goes about to betray his country, and to bring the people under a foreign power: he is a traitor, and as a traitor he ought to suffer. And those that be judges in commonwealths, ought (upon complaint) to summon and cite them to answer to their crimes, and so to proceed, as they do with others…
And where this justice is not executed, but the prince and the people play together, and one winks and bears with the others faults, there cannot be, but a most corrupt, ungodly, and vicious state, which although it prosper for a season, yet no doubt at length they may be sure, that unto them shall come that came to Sodom, Gomorrah, Jerusalem, and such other, that were utterly destroyed.
And on the other side, where the nobility and people look diligently and earnestly upon their authorities, and do see the same executed on their heads and governors, making them to yield account of their doings: than without fail will the princes and governors be as diligent to see the people do their duty. And so shall the commonwealth be godly, and prosper, and God shall be glorified in all. But you will say, that if the nobility, and those that be called to common Councils, and should be the defenders of the people, will not or dare not execute their authority: what is then to be done? The people be not so destitute of remedy, but God has provided another means, that is, to complain to some minister of the word of God, to whom the keys be given to excommunicate not only common people for all notorious and open evils: but also kaisers, kings, princes, and all other governors, when the spoil, rob, undo and kill their subjects without justice and good laws…
For the full text, see: http://www.constitution.org/cmt/ponet/polpower.htm


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Museum liberators Carpathian edge to them. Stepan Bandera is a two-story house, made in the Art Nouveau style in Ivano-Frankivsk . Grand opening of the museum took place in October 1997 with the active support of Ivano-Frankivsk Regional Administration, as well as public fund "Memorial".
Museum dedicated to the events liberation struggle Prykarpattia inhabitants and covers the period from the 12th to the 20th century. The exposition is located in the 4 themed rooms. At the heart of the museum fund are brochures and magazines OUN and UPA, cards, valuable documents that are directly related to the activities of riflemen, as well as many objects and personal belongings of the rebels. All of them were found during excavations in the region.
The museum there is a branch was opened in the village Kosov , Ivano-Frankivsk region. He was created in 2004, the exhibition is devoted entirely to the residents of Kosiv, who took an active part in the fight in the ranks of the OUN and UPA units. Also subordinate to the museum is a memorial complex "Demyanov Laz" , which was built on the site of mass executions and dedicated to the victims of Stalinist repression.
Doors Museum of liberation competitions of Carpathian edge open to visitors on weekdays from 09:00 to 18:00.
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The subject property is located 2 km south-east of Broga town. It is accessible along the Broga - Lenggeng trunk road and about 900 metre off the main road. The access road is a legal, straight wide sandy-gravel road suitable for commercial use. The front portion of the land is flat and full of all kinds of fruit trees (mostly durian and pulasan) as can be seen from here. At the back of these trees is a valley with a stream and beyond that is a hill.
Another view of the subject property. Seen here is the simple farm house surrounded by fruit trees on one side and a stream hidden by the vegetation. The farm has not been taken care of lately but the fruit trees are still strong and green and can be nursed back to health easily.
One of the fish pond at the valley. On the right are the fruit trees ( partially obsured ) on higher ground. On the left (which is the back of the land) one can see the hills. Since only one side is being surrounded by the hill, we can feel the wind blowing strongly along the valley. With highland, lowland, a stream and fishponds and a 400 feet hill at the back, this property is perfect for an exciting company retreat.


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Sorry, but I m very egged on. I am a naturalized American, in went through the hoops. I am empathic to immigrants, but not to ILEGAL ones. So, this outpouring pity in this story disgusts me.
The medical part is interesting and would have spellbound me in a different background.
The narrator is the only one which kept me interested. I'm planning to return this book. It stands against me and my experience with DHS, when this country was United, proud, free; when this country was just!
Due to my own story I'm about to puke, disgusted by the underlying racism in the second part of this…….
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I went into this as a fan Thacker's – I've read other books from his other series. I also went into it excited since it has the bio-hazard sign and it's toted as "…about a deadly pandemic". So, I bought this one without question.
Getting into it (and sorry for the slight spoiler ahead) – it was very much about the "pre" stages of a pandemic. It was more of a thriller where the main character is out to stop the pandemic from being released (instead of trying to stop it once it's out in the wild). Now that that's out of the way, I still did enjoy this book.
Thacker has a way of creating characters that jump off of the page and are almost instantly likeable. Jake Parker was no different. He was a "play it by the book" kind of guy – but once he's teamed up with Eliza Mendoza things start to get even more interesting. Eliza's character was really interesting because we weren't given much information about her (neither was Jake) so it felt like she was a complete wild card.
Overall, Thacker did it again – he wrote a high-intensity thriller and made it believable. He took topics that are still going on today and wrote about them as if they happened in the past (not easy to do, especially with COVID-19.


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Shameless plug: I wrote a little guide how to use keybase.io and GPG to sign git commits. It was posted on HN a while ago.
"Ironically, only the first commit is signed."
Meta-HN-Comment: Annoying how HN locks post voting & commenting and you can't repost the link either. Anyone know what HN's reasoning on this is, or for that matter, why there's not a meta-HN?
HN doesn't have a meta because META == DEATH.
I'm tempted to set up a totally unofficial unsupported HN Meta community on Imzy, but it's probably a bad idea.
Have you read Jeff Atwood's Meta is Murder, and his subsequent Listen to Your Community, But Don't Let Them Tell You What to Do? meta.stackexchange.com and its sister sites have as far as I can tell been very successful.
I use it to encrypt messages to friends / customers via Facebook messager, Slack, or public forums when I'm dealing with sensitive data.
You may ask, "when do you really deal with sensitive data?" My answer, is a lot more often than you think... The cool part about encryption, is I can use it over an insecure line to communicate. For example, I can post encrypted text here and only people I wrote it for can read it.
You might want to be careful with intentionally publicizing encrypted data, since it might only be secure for a limited time. Computation becomes cheaper over time (making brute force more feasible) and new vulnerabilities in the encryption algorithm can be found.
Totally agree, I assume the average HN reader knows this.
Regardless, ill try to be more careful in the future.
That is definitely one interesting thing about keybase.io: it does not provide forward secrecy in its encryption tools.
However, I think it is an interesting concept for identity proofs.
Do you right click every time you want to send a message? It seems like a great application for large block messages like an email but the Facebook messenger example seemed a little klunky, why not switch a secure instant messaging platform to save those additional steps?
I send messages like this sometimes, it's a handy way to send an encrypted message every now and then and also doubles up well as a "if you're using your PC with someone else, or have it hooked up to the TV in your lounge room you might want to look at this later" notice.
I saw keybase.io as a public key directory which makes it easier to find friends, family and colleagues public keys. That´s my intended use of Keybase.io. I haven´t actually used it yet for anything serious, although I´ve found ways to use PGP public/private keys to encrypt and decrypt local files on Mac and Windows, e-mails using mailvelope or keybase.io so that should take care of everything. But if people don´t adopt it I´ve got no use for it. And people around me didn´t take to Keybase as such it´s just sitting there so that maybe eventually I can use it. Right now it´s kind of useless.
I used it once - to coordinate a project ownership transfer with a person not typically using pgp. Explicit message "this person is XYZ on GitHub" helped.
Sharing secrets with remote co-workers. It's easy enough to use that I can expect pretty much anyone to be able to figure it out in real-time.
Ditto. Remote and non-remote, secrets and other slightly-less-but-still-somewhat secret files. Before that we handled it via 1Password, but it's so handy to just `cp` the files to the private/you,co-worker folder and do whatever you need with the files.
Sharing .env files full of secrets to bootstrap a project. Typically just dev credentials, not production, but still a nice way to hand those semi-sensitive data around easily, and without committing them to git.
I use it to sign my git commits.
Never really thought about using it to share credentials but I might give that a try.
Feature Request: I'd love an easier way to find the keybase accounts for my friends on twitter.
Oh, one more feature request. I'd like to be able to verify the identity of people on Venmo.
I use it as the primary way to exchange secrets with others.
This isn't regular use as I don't regularly have secrets, but I've used it to exchange passwords, 2FA QR codes, and other sensitive data like this, with people with whom I'm remotely communicating with.
Internally (I work at Keybase) we use it even more for the opposite. We do use it for secrets, but very often we put public info into KBFS we want to verify.
As an example, a number of us use it to address pain points around SSH. I keep this: /keybase/public/chris/keys/ssh.txt (you can see them on keybase.pub/chris/keys/ssh.txt ), and I keep all my known hosts as a reference in another file (that one in my private directory)...so when I'm SSH'ing to a machine from a new one I never have to say yes to connecting to a fingerprint I haven't actually verified. If I don't recognize a fingerprint then in turn I contact the appropriate party using Keybase, get a confirmation, and then add it to my file.
I'm bringing up SSH because we're thinking of making SSH public keys an important part of Keybase and curious if others share the same pain point. You mentioned a bunch of team uses and wondering if this was part of your use too.
This is interesting, and I am super glad that you are here, haha. I am about to (in 2 hours) give a presentation on keybase.io for a MS-level cryptography course. I like all of the features, but I was curious what the primary goal was.
I see a lot of people mentioning the encryption tools (which are awesome and easy-to-use); however, I cannot help but think that keybase.io is really about identity proofs and signing. Would you say that this is the case?
If so, are there any plans to, say, add driver's licenses, passports, or other documents to a user's signature chain? There are some countries which actually give citizens public/private keys for cryptographic purposes like voting, etc.? I ask about this specifically because my professor is Josh Benaloh (author of the Benaloh cryptosystem [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benaloh_cryptosystem]), and one of his major passions is voting and identity proofs for internet users.
Thanks for joining in, by the way!
Bonus question if you have time: any thoughts about forward secrecy as part of the encrpytion stack in keybase.io?
This is a great idea. Right now my team has an onboarding script we maintain in a Git repo and we prepopulate a separate known_hosts file with our validated keys, but from that point forward each person maintains it themselves. It'd be nice to see some automation around SSH key validation. For instance, if from Keybase we could publish our SSH public key and additionally have some sort of facility to integrate with OpenSSH locally so we can use the NACL functions to maintain a signed/verified copy of a known_hosts file locally.
The known_hosts file is kind of a weak point for SSH security when using public key auth, and I'd love to see something external that can improve upon this.
Interesting use case. I suppose you could put photos of yourself, or any other bits of information that you want to be able to say is provable as having been provided by you.
We've used it a couple of times recently to share credentials with a remote team.
Interesting...any reason you chose it over other options?
Other options - like team password managers?
It was kind of ad hoc thing; it's free and was easy to setup.
Yes, I was just curious if ease-of-use was one of your primary goals.
A run a small app development studio, and have a couple times a month where a client needs to share login credentials to iTunes Connect, Google Play Dev Console, Facebook, etc.
In those situations, I just give them my Keybase public encryption page, and have them enter the credentials and then send me the cypher text. Works fantastic, and much better than just sending via plain text over email or Slack.
Allowing people to verify my message came from me without needing to setup PGP themselves. They can just use /verify and throw my message into it. By using the signature consistently it raises red flags when a post of mine isn't signed or doesn't verify.
Of course - this assumes Keybase has not been compromised, but that isn't an attack vector I worry about.
The point of keybase is to distribute trust in them across multiple (social) trust-statements, so you don't even need to trust them Their implementation is supposed to check all those twitter/github/dns trust statements to verify the message.
That only works if the message is coming from somewhere that can be linked with Keybase. Say for example I sign a message on Voat rather than Reddit. Then what? There exists thousands of sites that can't be paired with Keybase.
Pasting a message into /verify is a lot easier for people than installing GnuPG and verifying it themselves. Still faster and more user friendly even if they already have GnuPG installed.
Offsite backups. I use duplicity to back up my ownCloud servers data directory to my kbfs private directory. There's not a lot of free storage from kbfs, but I don't need much.
 Otherwise, I haven't really found a use for it since setting it up. Would probably be really useful if a tonne of people used PGP, but they don't.
I use it as a simple way to share credentials over insecure channels.
I use keybase.pub to host a whole hugo  site. It was very easy to put it together. Updating it is just a hugo + rsync to my keybase public folder.
I also stash some dotfiles in my private folder, and it's extremely handy for sharing signal desktop client safety numbers with other crypto minded friends. I use it for my ssh public keys as well.
I've also used it for snippets with coworkers (secrets or no, it's really nice to be able to sent python /keybase/private/foo,bar/test.py in a chat window, and it can be directly pasted without needing to share the script, or relocate the paths in the command.
I feel like I've naturally developed tons of ways of using it at this point. I'll probably come to depend on it, soon enough.
My previous company was looking into using it as a place to store the app's public key for that user and find other users of the app (with their public keys) while being able to verify them.
At the time, Keybase didn't have the appropriate APIs to allow third-party integration like that. I haven't checked if anything happened on that front since.
I use it to authenticate and encrypt sensitive messages to friends online, over insecure channels.
It holds my git-signing key. That's all I do with PGP atm.
We use it to distribute public and private key pairs. The aptly-named "public" and "private" folders are quite convenient for such things.
Off topic, but related: I have some keybase invites available, and I'm sure others do as well. Contact info in my profile if anyone would like one.
Why wrong? Is there a difference you see between a cloud service like this and PGP keyservers?
Not OP, but there are all these places that are tied quite strongly to my identity. Why not tie my PGP key to them in an explicit and centralized manner.
you shouldn't put your private key in the cloud..? ..or maybe it is considered acceptable these days? theoretically--if you put your private key in cloud, and you pass the passphrase you give everything to the man in the middle for decrypting, but also give them the possibility to impersonating you.
The private key can be stored in the cloud but is decrypted client-side with JS. If you have nefarious JS running (like from some evil extension), there is a risk, but there is not the opportunity for man-in-the-middle.
You don't have to put your private key on Keybase servers to use Keybase.
I noticed that you don't have to, but what is then the benefit of this web site..?
it's only secure if you can ensure that no one has tampered with your keys. if your keys are generated behind a service like this, how can you know that you are safe?
You can use Keybase without their ever seeing your private key.
It's an easy way to exchange public keys and to introduce people to crypto.
It's a nice idea but not really well-implemented.
Not the parent, but a major issue with it is, it's slow.
The current client is not a syncing client like Dropbox/ownCloud, it's a network fs client.
I don't know if the slowness is due to the requirement to access the network, or the crypto, or whatever, but it will remain a toy unless they do something about it.
I understand it's very much a beta though, so that's ok.
Okay, that's understandable, but how do we know this is an implementation-level problem rather than a fundamental problem?
https://keybase.io/docs/kbfs - "Performance: We've made no performance optimizations yet. There's a lot of low-hanging fruit."


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