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Business Insider: This Was A Coup Attempt And Trump Had Help From Feds And Police
Also, Rachel Maddow spelled it out on her show. He replaced DOD officials with toadies and they held off the National Guard even though Maryland Republican Governor kept asking if they needed help and could they have authorization.
I'm trying to rap my head around this. Was this a genuine attempt on the Senate and House member's lives? Some of the police clearly helped. Everyone saw that.
Europe views yesterday as a failed coup attempt, but an attempt. The article is chilling.
by Anonymous reply 245 01/12/2021
All you have to do is look at the raw footage. For sure many officers did their duty, but I saw with my own eyes officers helping the terrorists. We've got a serious fucking problem now.
What is very concerning of course is that he does have support amongst the police and most likely some military.
So, the current Defense Secretary is a traitor? How exactly does this all play out? If this is deemed a coup and there is evidence he was going to off some people including Pence, will Trump be tried and deemed a traitor? It would seem to me his enablers in Congress will have to be removed and tried as well.
The article says people are going to have trouble coming to grips with the enormity of what just happened, and I have to agree. This is why the movement on 25 or impeachment has to be swift.
Does he know he's failed? The latest Twitter post seems like he's trying to save his ass and he finally knows it's over. Did his staff know? How would Betsy DeVos NOT know? Her brother has a private military beholden to Trump FFS. Is she bailing because her told it's over and she needed to get out now?
Wtf did we actually just witness?
Not turning my Ad Blocker off. Sorry, Business Insider. I don't need to read you.
If true, why so many people were willing to follow him into this? I don't mean those marching.
Power, money, etc
Yes, OP. It was! 100% coup!
Did you guys seen the scene of the woman getting shot? There's a crowd on a landing bashing in windows & banging on doors trying to break them down. A bunch of ARMED UNIFORMED COPS come up the stairs, look at the mob, turn around & walk back down the stairs. They left the mob to break windows & enter.
In a few seconds you hear the shot as she's climbing in a broken window. The guys who shot her were wearing suits. They looked Iike Secret Service to me. People start yelling Medic! and the cops came sauntering back upstairs.
They deliberately walked away & to let a mob break down doors & smash windows.
Power, to see their dream of white supremacy come through. Repress and abuse woman. Strip them of all power
Kill gay and trans people at will
So the ten Sec Def WaPo letter was a warning to the military that they shouldn't help with the coup or they would be court martialed, tried, and put to death? That letter is extraordinary.
THE 1 % RICH AND POWERFUL HAVE RULED THIS COUNTRY FOR A LONG TIME. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE IT UP. AMERICANS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON OTHER THINGS THIS ENTIRE TIME. I'M TALKING DECADES!
THE RICH ARE GETTING RICHER AS EVERY DAY PASSES AT THE EXPENSE OF US! NO ONE TALKS ABOUT OR DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT!
EAT THE GODDAMN FUCKING RICH YOU CUNTS!!!!
by Anonymous reply 10 01/07/2021
[quote]They deliberately walked away & to let a mob break down doors & smash windows.
And to finish this thought: they walked away so the rioters could get inside and kill or hurt the people on the other side.
Why are some of you so fucking naive to think some of the cops WEREN'T in on this? Where the fucking did you grow up? Sheeeeeeeesh!!
[quote]I'm trying to rap my head around this.
Yup, R11.
And don't think countries around the world didn't see that. They watched American cops let rioters into the seat of govt, let them break down doors & windows, let them get to where Congress was in order to "arrest" them (and hurt or kill them if they put up a fightJ. If Pence hadn't been there the Secret Service wouldn't have been there. Who knows what may have happened.
Our allies & enemies watched this happen. This is not some little thing. They understand our media has been manipulated by Rupert Murdoch for decades & that more rightwing propaganda is being pumped out by more rightwing media every day & that half of all Americans believe it. This is a very unstable country. Our enemies know it.
This was all so apparent to the many of us who watched the events as they were live-streamed yet there is barely any reference within domestic and international media reporting. Astonishing that more people (especially elected officers who were allegedly targeted) were not hurt or killed. Such a potentially murderous situation. Unbelievable.
We love a good coup. The US has so much experience dishing them out for over 50 years.
We ARE highly unstable R14 and with such a huge military, absurd amounts of cash, and endless nukes we are now probably the most dangerous country in the world. We'd be third world if we didn't have the things I listed.
[Quote] This was all so apparent to the many of us who watched the events as they were live-streamed yet there is barely any reference within domestic and international media reporting.
Yes. The media is just as corrupt.
[quote] All you have to do is look at the raw footage. For sure many officers did their duty
What you saw were officers who were around the politicians. All the other officers who were away from the politicians, stood down
Had any politicians been seriously hurt the cops would have been arrested for standing down.
The video leaves little room for doubt that some sort of fix was in, as frightening as it is to contemplate. What other possible explanation is there? Them not accepting the help from MD makes no sense if they were truly trying to stop it.
I stopped watching US news when MSNBC fucked over Hillary in 2016 especially that pos carpet cunt!
Mmm not "many" R15. I would say most people including the media are in denial right now. I know I still am. I can't bring myself to watch the clips of the cops opening the gates for example. That kind of betrayal is too dark and profound for me. I can't believe that level of hatred exists for other citizens within this country, and that the people who perpetrated this console themselves by calling themselves patriots and us traitors when the exact opposite is true. I will come to terms with it and will become even more of a misanthrope, if possible, but right now I'm still processing.
Americans are so fucking busy on the cell phones, watching Kim K and family and other delusional nonsense. It was a perfect time so why not.
The rest of the world knew donald trump was a crazy dictator 3-4yrs ago. It's just that America and Americans were too dumb and too lazy to do anything about it.
if hawley, cruz, jordan and all the other idiots aren't arrested/expelled from the Senate, America will never recover
It's only been 1 day and none of them are budging on their crazy lies and rhetoric. If nothing is done, they will get re-elected
This is why Trump loaded up positions with loyalists the last month or two. People were asking "why bother now?" This was the plan.
[Quote] It's just that America and Americans were too dumb and too lazy to do anything about it.
[Both] You forgot fat. Very fat. Really FAT!
[BOLD] OBESE !!!!!!!!
[Quote] [Both] You forgot fat. Very fat. Really FAT!
[Bold] You forgot fat. Very fat. Really FAT!
Hawley, Cruz, and the other traitors in Congress had to be complicit as well. That photo of Hawley is chilling. The new cunt rep from Colorado, Lauren Boebert, who is like the unholy offspring of Dana Loesch and Kristi Noem, tweeted "Today is 1776." Matt Goetz and Mo Brooks trying to blame Antifa as if we don't have eyeballs and see all the Nazis. Something deeply sinister is going on and it's not going to be fixed on January 20.
Coup coup ca choo!
If it was a coup attempt, it follows Trump's MO of being completely, utterly, hopelessly incompetent.
Sorry r22 but what you're writing has always been a fairytale in this country. NO WAY the US been a fair place for everyday people ESPECIALLY the last sixty years.
That's not even remotely true. Many cops were brawling with the MAGAts. Dozens of them were injured, a few critically.
r32, it only takes a few bad cops and they were there to change everything but you knew that.
Media refuses to show these videos of cops removing barricades, letting mob in, waving at rioters to come in & walking away as rioters broke down doors & windows.
We need to demand it. Go on their Twitter accounts and demand they show the videos that we've been watching on Twitter.
A significant video was that filmed inside the rally 'green room' tent, by Junior, as he and The Family watched the multi screens showing the rally and the crowd before they advanced to the Capitol. The excitement and anticipation was palpable: they knew what was coming.
R19, I posted that, and you are incorrect. I saw it on a STUPID site called "see real shit" or something similar, someone started a thread on it. If you watch it, it's over five minutes of many different videos together. Right after the woman is explaining she got tear-gassed, there is a VIOLENT scene of terrorists violently brawling over the fence with cops, I'm talking bare-knuckled, full punches, bodies on the grown being trampled, the metal fencing crushing officers....so you are actually wrong.
There were indeed cops fighting as hard as they could to stop them but they were totally outnumbered, and it seems like they were "neutered" in terms of weaponry. Where were the tasers as an example? The rubber bullets? Cops must have been ordered to never draw their weapons. They had to defend themselves with their fists, it really is a miracle more cops weren't killed. But in terms of law enforcement, as far as I'm concerned, the biggest heroes are Secret Service and the poor black guy running up the stairs ALONE, from a white Nazi mob!!!!! I will be studying this the rest of my life, I want to know exactly how many cops, how many SS. Do you understand that just a few agents of the SS was all that stood between our Congressmen and Congresswomen? Just a few brave guys/women stopped (for example) Nancy from being raped and having her throat slashed. Or Pence from being raped and hung. These people were coming in to share a cappuccino with Nancy.
But my main point is really that we officially have a Fifth Column in the Capital Police. And you know that this is all throughout the country too, do we now have compromised departments. This is going to turn America into the Middle East, terrorism is finding roots in America. Terrorism. It's a huge fucking problem, and I think all their posts on Parler are pushing to do it again on 1/19. So....they are just getting started.
The ONLY response to this is to lock them all up — stiff sentences, life wherever possible as their terms. And then have special programs in prison where they get to learn about cults, brainwashing, propaganda, etc. I would happily teach them as a volunteer at my local county jail.
how did this thread get buried so fast?
R16 Indeed true.
R25 Also remember that the Pentagon halted Biden transition briefings in mid-December.
If this was a coup then it must have been planned by the Four Seasons broker. This was incredibly inept.
I really am profoundly disturbed by this, and the refusal of media to cover any of it. It is disgusting, and I am scared as fuck right now.
My perspective follows what I studied and learned in criminology and abnormal psych. Trump is a pure criminal, really like a Goldfinger type Bond villain. Yes his grift includes using and killing civilians, police, and military, and he has appointed thousands by now in positions that may prove useful to him. He really doesn't want to face charges for prior grifts in NY and FL, and I would imagine the Inland Revenue In the UK and several EU countries may be looking at him too. What OP can't "wrap his head around" is the idea of a President who was always an absolutely ruthless psychopathic crminal, who now feels cornered and will do anything, including pleading to charity, to save himself. But never think he has given up or conceded; he has his next move already planned, for this weekend "at Camp David", I have no doubt. Oh, and of course, this was a coup attempt. I can only guess he expected some help from a quarter which was not availing. Now on to the next charade.
Why isn't the media trying to get the defense department on the record. They did a zillion press conferences for 9/11.
I'm actually surprised there weren't more casualties. You'd expect the Trump mob all brought along their ammo and shoot their way into the Capitol.
John Dean said on twitter that the Capitol police is made up of guys selected by members of Congress.
Of course it was all orchestrated by Trump and Rudy. They would have torn up the election certifications if they were able. It's shameful that he is getting away with it.
The women who carried the certifications away were heroes. The rioters got into the room where they had been.
Watching a compilation of footage on CNN, an interviewer asked one guy what he did once they breached the Capitol. Lit up a joint, he said.
These guys fell somewhere between frat party and tailgate in their strategic planning. Just with weapons, plus breaking into the seat of the US legislature and endangering the lives of all its members.
R39 Of course the Biden transition team couldn't be allowed anywhere near Pentagon/DHS officials : The plans for the January 6 Coup might have been discovered.
So they had zip ties and weapons...there could have been mass executions, right?
Dear God.
thats what they wanted
R36 Is correct about there being good cops on the right side who we're simply neutered and overwhelmed.
Watching this shit still gives me heart palpitations.
*were
I have been telling you all along that America has become a shithole country since it let those fat, ugly, superstititious, anti-science immigrants in. Those are the worst kind of a mix you want to add to your melting pot.
Which immigrants exactly, R53? The Puritans?
R53 What in the fucking fuck?
Hopefully r53 is referring to the Drumpfs.
I'm worried that something horrible will happen on Inauguration Day. Just have Biden take the oath indoors and cancel everything else due to Covid.
They already plotted to dump the Gov. of Michigan into the middle of Lake Erie.
Good morning, all. Let's keep facing the fact this was a coup attempt.
The family tent celebration. That Kimberly Guilfoyle cunt is something else.
Trump just installed a toady in the Pentagon a month ago too, ensuring he would block help. Larry Hogan's presser yesterday was DAMNING and proved that obstacles were intentionally put in the way of helping the members of congress. The intent from Trump and his cronies was a coup to keep Trump in power, they were going to take Senators and Congressman hostage and kill them, then destroy the Electoral college ballots.
John Dean hasn't been part of the govt in over 40 years.
Don't dignify it by calling it a coup attempt. Call it what it was, a terrorist attack designed to punish Congress for defying Trump in the act of certifying the election.
I don't see how killing members of congress would've resulted in overturning the elections. Do you think Trump has enough backing from the military to carry out a coup?
If this was an attempted coup, then it was a terribly unorganised, shoddy little attempt. A couple of rednecks with guns isn't going to do the job.
It finally sunk into my thick noggin this morning:
Where Bin Laden failed on 9/11, Trump succeeded on 1/6.
So what happens next? Will Trump, the Secretary of Defense be tried for this terrorist act? Will Barr and others be questioned for what they knew? What about the Trump kids? The Capitol police?
Really good article, pasted in full for the assholes too lazy to disable adblock ==
Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law enforcement officials
Mitch Prothero 07/01/2021, 14:58
The big unanswered question: Why were so few law enforcement agents at the Capitol when demonstrations like that are usually heavily policed?
Multiple European security officials told Insider that President Trump appeared to have tacit support among US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex in yesterday's coup attempt. Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the serious repercussions of yesterday's events: Even if they are mistaken, some among America's international military allies are now willing to give credence to the idea that Trump deliberately tried to violently cancel an election and had help from some federal law enforcement agents.
"We train alongside the US federal law enforcement to handle these very matters, and it's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored," one source told us.
The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed Congress to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.
Insider spoke with three officials on Thursday morning: a French police official responsible for public security in key section of central Paris and two intelligence officials from NATO countries who directly work in counter-terrorism and counter-intelligence operations involving the US, terrorism, and Russia.
They said the circumstantial evidence available pointed to what would be openly called a coup attempt in any other nation. None were willing to speak on the record because of the absolutely dire nature of the subject.
While they were unwilling publish proof that federal agency officials facilitated the chaos, Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the scale and seriousness of yesterday's events: America's international military and security allies are now willing to give serious credence to the idea that President Trump deliberately tried to violently cancel an election, and that some federal law enforcement agents - by omission or otherwise - facilitated the attempt.
'Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup'
The NATO source set the stage, describing it in terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries:
"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," said the NATO intelligence official. "The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary style flags, then storm the building where the federal law enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police."
"The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle."
"I can't believe this happened."
A law enforcement official who trains with US forces believes someone interfered with the proper deployment of officers around Congress
The French police official believes that an investigation will find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law enforcement on the perimeter of the Capitol complex because the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility. The security of Congress is entrusted to the US Capitol Police, a federal agency that answers to Congress.
It is routine for the Capitol Police to coordinate with the federal Secret Service and Park Police, and local District of Columbia police, prior to large demonstrations. The National Guard, commanded by the Department of Defense, are often on standby too.
On Wednesday, however, that coordination was late or absent.
'It's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored'
"You cannot tell me I don't know what they should have done, I can fly to Washington tomorrow and do that job just as any police official in Washington can fly to Paris and do mine," said the official. The source directs public security in a central Paris police district filled with government buildings and tourist sites.
"These are not subtle principles [for managing demonstrations] and they transfer to every situation, this is why we train alongside the US federal law enforcement to handle these very matters, and it's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored."
The National Guard - which was deployed heavily to quell the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020 - did not show up to assist police until two hours after the action started, according to the Associated Press.
Video shows police doing nothing as rioters access the building
Indeed, video appears to show some police officers opening a barrier to allow a group of protesters to get closer to the Capitol dome. Another video shows a police officer allowing a rioter to take a selfie with him inside Congress, while protesters mill around the building unchecked.
Kim Dine, the former chief of the Capitol Police from 2012 to 2016, told the Washington Post that he was surprised the Capitol Police allowed demonstrators onto the steps of the Capitol. He was also mystified that few rioters were arrested on the spot.
Larry Schaefer, who worked for the Capitol Police for more than 20 years, told ProPublica something similar: "We have a planned, known demonstration that has a propensity for violence in the past and threats to carry weapons - why would you not prepare yourself as we have done in the past?"
Insider asked the Capitol Police for comment and we will update this story when they respond.
Systematic failures
The French police official detailed multiple lapses they believe were systematic.
Large crowds of protestors needed to be managed far earlier in the process by police, who instead controlled a scene at the first demonstration Trump addressed then ignored the crowd as it streamed towards the Capitol.
"It should have been surrounded, managed and directed immediately and that pressure never released." Because the crowd was not managed and directed, the official said the protestors were able to congregate unimpeded around the Capitol itself, where the next major failure took place. "It is unthinkable there was not a strong police cordon on the outskirts of the complex. Fences and barricades are useless without strong police enforcement. This is when you start making arrests, targeting key people that appear violent, anyone who attacks an officer, anyone who breaches the barricade. You have to show that crossing the line will fail and end in arrest."
"I cannot believe the failure to establish a proper cordon was a mistake. These are very skilled police officials but they are Federal and that means they ultimately report to the president. This needs to be investigated."
"When the crowd reached the steps of the building the situation was over. The police are there to protect the building from terrorist attacks, and crime, not a battalion of infantry. That had to be managed from hundreds of meters away unless the police were willing to completely open fire and I can respect why they were not."
'Thank god it didn't work because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system'
The third official, who works in counter-intelligence for a NATO member, agreed that the situation could only be seen as a coup attempt, no matter how poorly considered and likely to fail, and that its implications might be too huge to immediately fathom.
"Thank god it didn't work because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system," said the official. By sanctions, he means the imposition of the usual diplomatic, military, and trade blockages that democratic nations usually reserve for dictatorships.
"The broader damage around the world will be extensive in terms of reputation and that's why Putin doesn't mind at all that Trump lost. He's got to be happy to take his chips and count his winnings, which from the Trump-era will be a shockingly quick decline in American prestige and moral high ground."
"Every moment the Americans spend on their own self-inflicted chaos helps China, it helps Putin and to a lesser extent it helps the mini-dictators like [Turkish President Tayyip] Erdogan and [Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor] Orban, who breathe cynicism about politics, human rights and democracy as their air," said the official. "They won't miss Trump, they'll be glad to see his drama leave so they can enjoy the poisoned political climate."
[Quote]"Thank god it didn't work because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system," said the official. By sanctions, he means the imposition of the usual diplomatic, military, and trade blockages that democratic nations usually reserve for dictatorships.
This statement has incredible ramifications for financial markets, indeed the global financial system. 1] as of 2019, approx. 61% of the international reserves of all nations around the world were held in the U.S. dollar, the 2nd largest holding being the Euro with a distant 21%. This is why the dollar is strong. 2] Around 90% of foreign exchange trading involves the U.S. dollar. 3] almost 40% of the world's debt is issued in U.S. dollars explaining the importance and strength of New York Banking Laws that dictate those loan agreements.
But of course, a certain person was more than willing to endanger this vital U.S. economic interest (that would impact every American) for the sake of a successful rally.
Normally I can't read Business Insider articles due to my adblocker but when I saw this one (linked elsewhere ) I was able to access it, no problem.
Thanks, r67
It's time for these monsters to be sent to federal prison.
Remember the pics from the old Jim Crow days of groups of whites having picnics and bringing their kids to lynchings of black people? All partying and having a good party? The Trumpsters are our modern version of these people.
Bill Barr knew about this. Some things are starting to make sense.
I just saw this posted somewhere else. Anyone in GA?
[quote]While you were focused on the DC riot, Militiamen and other far-right Trump supporters in Atlanta surrounded the state's Capitol building in search of Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.
>>A plain-clothes officer shot and killed a 35-year-old San Diego woman as she climbed over a barricade inside the U.S. Capitol.
Capitol Police officer. But that usually indicates rank. Were the front line guys packing?
I'm seeing varying reports, r78.
What I'm wondering is did Cap. Police fail but not Secret Service? That would explain the difference.
The leader of the proud boys was at the WH on 12/12. That's when this plan was cooked up. Trump said to him "how can I disrupt congress certifiying the results". After that Trump was increasingly obsessed with 1/6. Its all he talked about. That's when the plans started popping up online. I'm sure Barr got wind of it and that's when he released the statement about there being no fraud and then got the hell out of dodge. The lack of police presence at the Capitol was on purpose from the high ranks at the Capitol police who are trumpers. This should have been a state of the union security level event, with FBI and secret service presence there. Instead it was just another Wednesday.
There seems to have been two distinct groups. The retarded rednecks who ran thru the halls smoking and taking selfies. And then the other group- the guys with military gear and zip ties. Those people were there to assassinate members of congress. They got to the chamber of the senate with ease, a room that isn't easy to find.
This was an inside job. With democrats in control of the house and senate now, I have faith that the truth will come out.
R80 nailed it.
[quote] OP: I'm trying to rap my head around this.
The jokes write themselves.
The big worry is that Trump has packed the US government with his cronies and loyalists, many of whom will actively work against Biden. You only have to look at the Pentagon appointee who has dragged out the transition by refusing to accommodate Biden's team.
Biden can fire them or shove them to the basement to do filing work.
I think we were seeing a bunch of different things happening with the police. Some of those officers were doing their jobs, but not many; in two videos I saw cops running away and only one or two left behind, looking around wondering where all their colleagues had gone. Some of those running away were cowards, some were complicit. I'd bet several of the officers who either stood down or let the mob in were just trying to keep from getting hurt and weren't necessarily in on any kind of plot.
The head of the Capitol police was a Trump appointee and he most certainly made sure his own officers were NOT told what to expect, which is sickening. Some of those guys early on were just trying to politely tell the protesters to go away when they got attacked by the mob. They had no clue.
R79, I think you're right, we were seeing Secret Service and maybe some FBI holding their ground, while Capitol police were either being overwhelmed or running away.
I love the photos of those Keystone Cops effectively saying no, stop *yawn* quit, time out......
And why wouldn't they? They are drawn from the same blue collar backgrounds as the terrorists: racist, Xtian, homophobic, misogynistic, ex-military, FOX News-watching non-readers.
That poor black cop being chased up the stairs by those assholes. Hope he's okay.
We have a SERIOUS problem on our hands. I think the Secret Service was on point, but they're the LAST line of defense....where was the first line, the second, the third??? Capital police need to literally be disbanded. They're LOADED with terrorists now.
Media should be showing the scenes of the cops helping the terrorists. I couldn't believe what I saw. The People need to be told the truth. The TRUTH is that half our country doesn't want the truth, and they have so convinced themselves that their opinions are factual, that their minds cannot be changed. The TRUTH is our President is a criminal and thinks he's above any consequences. The TRUTH is that every member of Congress supporting the vote challenge is a traitor, they're in the Sedition Caucus, and must be expelled. They must be LOCKED UP for Sedition. And please, keep using the word Sedition, that's exactly what this is.
If we fail in our response to this, this is going to go on for decades. If we fail to hold Trump and all his supporters criminally liable, this will never end for our country. Remember— they're planning MORE on 1/19.
So what do you do? You call your reps and tell them this is Sedition and you want it treated as such. You post the videos of the cops opening the gates, running away, ignoring, taking selfies. You also participate in not giving money to companies that are actually paying for these marches. Do you understand that Goldman Sachs, Home Depot, Amazon, Citicorp to name just a few gave money for the robocalls that went out to these "marchers"? So.....literally the SAME companies that are publicly telling us they don't support this are funneling hundreds of thousands to their PACS which are in turn, running the ops for these events.
Omg R82 I forgot the "w." Positively traitorous of me. Lol. You fucking idiot.
I would tend to agree with you, R85, and though it was a total disaster that could have ended with the deaths of people important to our government, I hope it is true.
R90 is OP.
[quote]Media should be showing the scenes of the cops helping the terrorists.
They are, a little bit. Morning Joe famously yelled that the cops fucking opened the doors for them, and there was talk about the police standing down when Pelosi demanded the Sergeant at Arms and Capitol police chief resign. The discussion of the cops just pulling back barricades and waving rioters in has been minimal, though.
[quote] There seems to have been two distinct groups. The retarded rednecks who ran thru the halls smoking and taking selfies. And then the other group- the guys with military gear and zip ties. Those people were there to assassinate members of congress. They got to the chamber of the senate with ease, a room that isn't easy to find.
THIS. ALL OF THIS.
There is an excellent Twitter thread here about the second group with military gear and zip ties. One has been identified, the older chubby guy who you could see in the ITV video, and his info has been passed on to the FBI, which I hope leads to an arrest.
R94 Great thread. Thanks for sharing.
Everyone needs to devote a little time to spreading these funds far and wide.
As this evolves, it is looking baaaaaad for the mad king.
Signs point to there being an underhanded coup attempt.
Remember what seems like years ago when Raffensburger released Don's taped call? At the time, 10 high ranking military officials released an op-Ed that seemed odd and weirdly out of place.
Then the delay for the National Guard when called for by Pelosi?
And bombs, zip ties, ammunition on some who stormed the Capitol?
Pelosi's laptop was stolen.
And some of those who stormed the Capitol knew EXACTLY where to go? (Those familiar with it find it a maze at the best of times.)
Here's what Clyburn has to say:
Defund the police.
The US Capitol Police will have to be completely purged before it can be effective again. Then reconceived as to its mission, and then reformed structurally. It can't remain a dumping ground for mall cops who worship Trump.
Ya I mean some of these did look like complete mouthbreeding, incel, video game playing morons (the ones who stood like idiots there when the woman got shot because they just wanted to stream their presence on social media) but there were far more organized groups present too. And there were certainly Russian spies present. Laptops and documents stolen - hello. A guy loaded with a firearm and bullets only arrested because he was loitering after the curfew which means he was also in there earlier. The saddest part of all this is that we were attacked by our own citizens and there are people - 40% of Republicans in one poll - who have no problem with this. Who defend this. Who think this is acceptable. Imagine if he had won in 2020. What would have happened in 2040? Another storming of the Capitol until Trump is installed as dictator? I think so.
r47: I would've been greatly surprised if each one of those guys had some cover story and was told to make it sound like coming was his own idea and it was all supposed to be a big party that got out of hand. yeah, that's the ticket.
Er, DIDNT HAVE some kind of story. I meant.
Yes, R94's link to that guy's twitter account is amazing. The photo of the paramilitary guy with the giant zipties in his hand and the balaklava covering his face is ominous and chilling. And the twitter investigator has already ID'd everything the guy has on. It looks likely that he's from Tennessee. They will find him.
They also ID'd the numbnuts stalking the halls with the Confederate flag over his shoulder. His name is Rikki Tollikko and he belongs to a motorcycle gang out of Alberta CANADA...
NOTHING. WELL. HAPPEN. TO. THESE. FOOLS.
No One will remember this by the end of Feb. I fucking hate it but that's America for you.
Sad but true. The phone call is alr4eady forgotten. The kidnap plot against the Governor of Michigan, running the Biden team off the road, blocking highways, the caravans that looked like something in Iran....all warning signs, All forgotten about within 24hrs. They'll do something else horrendous next week that will take over the news cycle.
You want us to think no one will remember Trump staged an unsuccessful coup? They're going to impeach him next week for it. It's not like this news is going to go away.
Don't know what you're trying to pull but this isn't something everyone will just forget.
R107 I hope not. I really do. I'm an atheist but I am praying to all the Gods that he will be impeached. But I am cynical right now and I really do fear that while we will remember the Republicans will 'misremember' and have 'alternative facts' when this comes up which will be rarely if they are allowed to write history and set the narrative.
I agree with r88 - these folks attempted to overturn our government, they trespassed, destroyed federal property and broke multiple laws, this was not a childish prank or just some graffiti. People are dead and there could have been dead govenment officials too. The military operatives with the zip ties who were acting like military assassins as well as the dumb ass deplorables like the bitch from Knoxville with the onion, need to go to jail. WE NEED EXAMPLES MADE OF THESE PEOPLE QUICKLY AND FORCEFULLY otherwise it will continue to happen again, and again.
Any police, security, or, military personnel found to be complicit in what was without question a domestic terrorist attack should be hanged.
^ this. There is no greater betrayal than someone who took an Oath to protect the Constitution and US citizens turning around and helping a murderous mob. It is truly the greatest violation a LEO can commit IMHO.
I wonder if Eric Prince and Blackwater was involved? Zip tie guy looks like he did this before. I pray and hope we cam put Republicans in jail for life. They are a scourge on our society.
OF COURSE BLACKWATER WAS INVOLVED. WHY DO YOU THINK BETSY DEVOS RESIGNED? Eric Prince is a bro. Sorry about caplock And YES, r111, YES! I couldnt believe the FBI spokesman, or whoever, Milley, saying If only the Capitol police had zip-tied them as they exited the Capitol. Well, get real, Mary, they could even have used the rioters' own zipties!
I kinda (don't kinda) pity the Sicknik cop who died, he was probably the only one who wouldn't go along with the game plan that day, so they sent him on a "special mission"
Actually and ironically, R114, he was a Trumper, if you got to his FB or Twitter page.
Interesting, R103.
I saw reports earlier that FBI raided a couple of houses in Tennessee today but I don't recall them saying for what or why. Now I need to go find that again...
The DoJ says they're not looking at investigating the speakers at Trump's rally for incitement. But this is TRUMP's DoJ, so... no surprise there. When Biden takes over, it's game on.
IF true, this makes things veerryyy interesting:
Probably unrelated raid in Nashville.
Sorry for any confusion.
Permanent suspension
Parler crashed. Apple gave them 24 hours to moderate or they're gone. Someone on Twitter commented they're going to have to take the site down for longer than that to get it moderated. So did they crash or did they shut it down themselves?
Number one trend on Twitter is "THANK YOU TWITTER." That didn't take long.
What a terrible punishment for Trump's treason. Naughty naughty.
[quote] Parler crashed. Apple gave them 24 hours to moderate or they're gone.
Interesting. I have been trying to set up an account for the last 15 minutes and it's definitely not working. No I am not a Trump supporter, I just wanted to see what they are saying.
I think he will resign over the weekend.
He won't resign until he gets his family's pardons in first.
There is no evidence that police of any of the police forces on the scene were involved with the rioters. If real evidence is found - not just baseless assumptions and ignorance - then so be it.
These assumptions are being based on a lack of understanding of what police officers have to do depending on the circumstances and an incomplete picture of the events.
Quite frankly I find this appalling when one of those officers was murdered doing his job. Jumping to baseless conclusions and spreading defamatory rumors is what got us to this point in the first place - why would we want to repeat their stupidity?
[Quote] You want us to think no one will remember Trump staged an unsuccessful coup? They're going to impeach him next week for it. It's not like this news is going to go away. Don't know what you're trying to pull but this isn't something everyone will just forget.
r107, are you kidding me with this? Have you NOT paid attention to what the Repigs have been doing and getting away with since the Reagan days? Repigs get away with everything because WE {Dems} let them! THAT was my point.
^ Me / r105
I heard on MSNBC that the House was looking to vote on impeachment on Tuesday for a Senate trial on Wednesday. That is really far off considering the circumstances.
All the senators and house reps who had a hand in this need to be removed and charged as well, ASAP.
R130 I get the sense there is an expectation Trump will resign this weekend. I wonder if this is one of the things influencing the House/Senate timeline. I also wouldn't be surprised if there are negotiations going on to expel both Hawley and Cruz.
I too am shocked impeachment can't be done faster — but I also have 100% confidence in the judgement of NP. I'm certain there are legitimate reasons she and her team picked those dates. Trust. When you shoot at the king, you better not miss.
I hoe the next few days will bring more outrages to light (via evidence, images, texts, etc.) and consolidate the narrative that this was a violent attempt, incited by Trump, to disrupt Congress's business and overturn the election. His cutesie deniability must end.
[quote] I get the sense there is an expectation Trump will resign this weekend. I wonder if this is one of the things influencing the House/Senate timeline.
Yes I agree-- I am the one above who said I think he'll resign. Something about the wording of Pelosi's statement and some of the others makes it seem like there are serious negotiations to get him out of there. Twitter's suspension might also be a part of the project to get Trump to realize it's well and truly over.
I was able to set up a Parler account just now using Chrome on a PC.
Read the replies. Reports of this trickling all over. Off-duty copy and military helped.
I agree that he just may resign "for the good of the country." LOL!
That might be how he can be sold on the idea by anyone still left advising him. He can act like he's some big martyr. Maybe they can scare him with the idea that if he gets impeached and convicted he won't ever be able to run again.
I took two screenshots last week of violent threats on Twitter "we'll surround the capitol and SCOTUS..." I contacted the FBI, Secret Service, and our electeds - Pelosi, Schumer, and Hoyer. No response.
Here's what I think: Pelosi, Schumer, and even Biden, are mentally in another era when things like this were unthinkable. "They're just blowing hot air..." Nope. Not anymore.
I believe Biden's inauguration should be moved indoors or held somewhere else. It's chilling that Trump says he won't be at the inauguration. I don't want him there either, but maybe there is another reason - like violence.
127, there's video of a cop opening the barricades waving them through, saying, "Go! Go!" There's also video of cops taking selfies with them. A lot of these cops are on Facebook and Twitter and it's not going to take much for the FBI to find their accounts. It's like the woman who was killed. Everyone was saddened until they found out she was stark raving mad and had been video taping herself on the way there, talking about what she was going to do. Just wait until the FBI looks these people up in Parler, they're probably all on there. From Politico:
" the Capitol Police report ultimately to the heads of the House and Senate, through their respective sergeants-at-arms, and both the House and Senate sergeant-at-arms resigned Thursday. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) also called for the resignation of the Capitol Police chief, Steven Sund, a veteran of the D.C. police appointed to the Capitol force last year.
"Sund, for his part, initially issued a statement defending his department, but appeared to know the trouble he was in: Pelosi said he never reached out to her, even more than 24 hours after yesterday's sacking of the Capitol and her office. By dinnertime Thursday, he'd turned in a letter of resignation, too."
Sind was appointed during the Trump administration. He probably didn't need any qualifications and isn't a professional, and if he is, he owes his job to Trump. What do you expect? He's already resigned. That alone should tell you he knew better.
R140, Trump may be announcing he won't be there early as a heads up to his traitors that they can bomb the area. He'll be safe, even if they kill everyone else in the place. That's all they care about. Biden should get sworn in indoors.
R127 you're an idiot. Those cops let those terrorists in, as clearly seen in the video. My daughter protested at the White House i Mya for George Floyd, got inside the fence and was taken down physically, hand cuffed, arrested and charged with trespassing. I'm not saying what she did was right (i.e., going through the barricade) but BOY she got a different reception!
R142 Very true!
^ in May
[Quote]He is a recognized expert in critical incident management and active shooter preparedness and response having handled dozens of criminal barricade and hostage situations. His experience involves being the on-scene incident commander during major incidents such as the 2009 shooting at the National Holocaust Museum, the 2012 shooting at the Family Research Council, and the 2013 active shooter incident at the Washington Navy Yard. Chief Sund has received numerous awards for his event planning, as well as his response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Due to his knowledge and experience, he also has been an instructor with the United States Secret Service in the area of major events planning.
R141 The above is from Sund's bio at the US Capitol Police website. He is VERY experienced with preparations needed for events like last Wednesday. This begs the question as to why in this particular incident there was woefully inadequate preparation. Security should have been at the level of State of the Union address level and instead were like any other boring Wednesday. Why did Sund not use his skills to better prepare security around the Capitol that day?
Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
He doesn't care about his family R126. He wants to make sure HE doesn't go to jail.
He WILL never run again R139. Ever.
R149, he doesn't have to really. He can just say he's going to run for four years and raise a huge money chest. Then keep it. If he gets impeached and removed, he can't say that.
[quote]Repigs get away with everything because WE {Dems} let them! THAT was my point.
Yeah, R128, I've heard you and all the other trolls screaming about how the Democrats are the "real" problem for the last several days.
I don't know what you're trying to pull but the House is speeding impeachment proceedings through and Raskin has legislation that might actually allow us to invoke the 25th without Pence and the cabinet, who clearly won't do anything. Yet here you are, complaining that the Dems aren't doing anything? When they're the only ones who ARE?
You can take your "the Dems won't do anything! this coup will be forgotten in two weeks!" bullshit and fucking shove it.
R140, no response doesn't mean they didn't do anything with your info.
I think R150 has hit on a VERY big incentive for Donny to get the hell out while the getting's good. His grift is going to hit a big roadblock if he gets impeached and voted out in the Senate next week.He would be prevented from seeking funds for "re-election", whether he really intended to run or not, if he gets removed from office. And it occurred to me a little while ago, when I posted a link to a story about the "missing" Melania: she has a very high incentive to file for divorce quickly. Donny is in so much financial hot water in the next couple of years that she has EVERY incentive to take him for everything she can get HER hands on before those other creditors solidify their claims through Court judgments. He's facing a pile of trouble.
(And if he had just acted like he gave a shit about the victims of the Coronavirus, he almost certainly would have been re-elected and none of this shit would be happening right now).
Some Texans want our Indicted Attorney General Ken Paxton investigated for his role in yesterday's insurrection.
Chris Turner is a Democratic state representative from Grand Prairie.* It might be just posturing, since Democrats don't have much power in Texas, but I'm still glad someone spoke up. His tweet drew a response from Joe Jaworski, a Democrat who wants to be Texas AG.
* Grand Prairie lies between Dallas and Ft. Worth.
R151 What you say cannot negate the fact that the Democrats are often weak.
It seems like they're less aggressive by nature.
Heather Cox Richardson after gathering more information is now calling this a coup attempt.
Of course it was a coup attempt.
For some levity . . .
If it walks like a coup and quacks like a coup, r158...
Too soon for me, r159.
[Quote]Donald Trump was annoyed by the violent siege on the Capitol Wednesday — which left several dead — because it looked "low class," according to his adviser. "He doesn't like low class things."
--Olivia Nuzzi, NY Magazine on Twitter
R159 um
Max Burns says flat out he staged a coup with help from the toadies of the DOD. They're not moving quickly enough to get rid of him. He could invoke article 2, although I'm not sure he'd have the backing.
Does he need to be assassinated?
CNN just said Pence is not averse to 25ing Trump if he gets worse and apparently he's quite bad. I wasn't watching, it's on Twitter. This just happened.
Elaborating above, Jim Acosta said Pence has not ruled out 25 if Trump becomes more unstable and he has a close source to Pence.
Hopefully he has cabinet backing. He needs to just do the 25th and end this nightmare.
R164. What in the ever living hell? Why is the media so silent. God knows what's going down right now.
If pence invoked the 25th amendment he would have cabinet support
George Conway said there's a way for Pence to time the 25th amendment to make himself Acting President and run out the clock -- like 4 days before Congress has 21 days to take a vote, etc. and during all that time Pence would be Acting President, Trump wouldn't have power, and the clock would run out to Jan. 20. Plus Congress could still impeach him and hopefully vote to keep Trump from ever having or being able to run for elected office again.
Or he could merely be signaling to Dems to hold off on that impeachment (as many Repugs want for the sake of "unity"), I have it under control until 45 runs afoul again
^ You mean "Until 45 RUNS again", which is what needs to be prevented.
Pence will never trigger the 25th. He's just not that strong. Trump without Twitter seems neutered at least temporarily.
I think the threat of the 25th is what's scaring him
One wrong move and pence will invoke it immediately IMO
I believe Dump or his puppetmasters have kompromat on Pence that hold him back. But after a thwarted assassination attempt, he should really just say fuck it.
Impeachment and removal won't necessarily preclude his running for office again. It's not automatic but is up to the Senate.
And the Senate could be in Democratic hands by then r176.
So what do you think they would decide?
Biden Getting New Secret Service Over Trump Loyalty Fears
R177, my comment was a response to the statements of posters here that if he's convicted, he can never hold office again. That cannot be taken for granted.
r178, it's really frightening that SS could attempt an assassination, that they would be corrupt. This doesn't feel like the US, and it's not all trump's doing. Trump has a raging personality disorder and we all knew that when he was running. It's TPTB that scare me including all the senators that know damn well there was no wide scale election fraud yet still voted against the will of the people.
The Senate can convict Trump on whatever charges the House brings but that doesn't automatically bar him for holding office again. The Senate has the power to do that but it would require a separate vote.
If turtle won't do it, Schumer will take the vote once he's is in charge of Senate.
The cops were clearly completely overwhelmed. I'm sure most cops—including Capitol cops—are Trump supporters, but I doubt they were in on it in any coordinated way. However! There's NO question that Trump used his sick reptilian brain—along with help from Mike Flynn—to ensure the Capitol was lightly protected. The fact he resisted calling in the National Guard should get him executed for treason.
The cops let the mob in
They need to flip some of the rioters. They know who paid their hotel bills, who paid for the buses, who organized the events. But unless someone wants to confess immediately, it will take longer than the end of the term. They need to threaten some of them with the RICO Act. Ironically, Rudy knows that one pretty well. They should charge him with it.
I'm sure Roger Stone played a huge role in this.
Black Capitol police officers are saying they were left alone, higher ranking officers were no where to be found. Just a coincidence, I'm sure...
Where exactly are the Trumps right now?
They're in hiding or making their way out of the country maybe?
I hope they are being secured or being watched carefully.
I'm glad Pence, his wife and his daughter were there in the Capitol in the middle of this with Congress when it happened. It may strengthen his resolve. And even though I absolutely disagree with them politically, I understand he has a good staff who gives him solid advice. After this I doubt anyone on his side is trying to get him to go easy on Trump. He may also counsel with McConnell. I think they talk a lot.
I've said for years: The only good cop is a dead cop!
I wouldn't doubt Matt Gaetz was their inside man
r189, this is the type of thing that would have been reported even 5 years ago. When the news was always "up to the minute"
The corporate takeover of CNN, MSNBC and even the networks is showing it's stripped down product is not adequate in a crisis. '
There used to be actual reports out in the streets and would chase the story relentlessly wherever it went.
[quote] They know who paid their hotel bills, who paid for the buses, who organized the events
I read that the wife of Clarence Thomas had paid for some of the hotel and buses. She's a big Trumpster and she cheered on the protestors as they ran to the Capitol. Of course, she edited her post when it turned violent. This should get more media play, maybe it will give Thomas a heart attack and he'll have to quit.
I'm watching local NYC CBS news. They're saying that at least one rioter was wearing a FDNY jacket and the Fire Department and the FBI are investigating other tips that some of the insurrectionists are retired and/or active FDNY members.
r189 Melania has been very quiet since the coup attempt...
Jesus, why? firemen are treated like heroes What is wrong with these people
No threads on Ginni Thomas? Why?
Dear Business Insider: thanks for hipping me to this brand new fact!!
The present House article of impeachment specifically blocks Trump from holding future offices. The Senate must vote on conviction according to the terms of the article. It can't convict based on part of a successful impeachment.
WaPo saying Trump and Republicans are already moving to block impeachment. It's fire-walled so I could not read more.
For R203, from WaPo:
Trump and some congressional Republicans, meanwhile, stepped up their efforts Saturday to head off Democratic efforts to impeach Trump over what they call his incitement of violence.
Behind closed doors, Trump and his son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner have encouraged allies to fight against a potential impeachment by issuing statements on social media or elsewhere that discourage or condemn the move, people familiar with the calls said.
It was not clear whether those efforts were having much success. Republican allies of the president were mainly muted Saturday, as pressure continued to mount among Democrats to try to force Trump from office before his term expires Jan. 20.
Meanwhile, a small group of Republicans who had voted to certify President-elect Joe Biden's victory released a letter Saturday calling on Biden to try to head off impeachment.
"In the spirit of healing and fidelity to our Constitution, I am asking that @JoeBiden formally request that Speaker Pelosi discontinue her efforts to impeach President Trump a second time," tweeted Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.), sharing a copy of the letter signed by seven lawmakers.
A Biden spokesman on Saturday referred to the president-elect's comments the day before, when he said he would leave impeachment decisions to Congress.
[quote] Trump and his son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner have encouraged allies to fight against a potential impeachment by issuing statements on social media or elsewhere that discourage or condemn the move, people familiar with the calls said.
How dare they, after he almost got them killed?
Thanks for posting. Doesn't seem like much support if only 7 Republicans signed the letter.
[quote] I'm glad Pence, his wife and his daughter were there in the Capitol in the middle of this with Congress when it happened. It may strengthen his resolve
No it hasn't. Thousands of protesters were screaming, "where's pence, show yourself pence, HANG PENCE" and they had a heavy duty noose set up outside the capitol
When the senators called the white house begging for them to send in the national guard, trump said, NO! He sat for over an hour, while thousands were cheering to HANG PENCE
And Pence still doesn't want to impeach him. If he doesn't give a fuck about people wanting to kill him, I don't either
Pence doesn't want to *25th Amendment* him. He has no say in impeachment. But he's also said he isn't taking the 25th off the table, just in case Trump goes even crazier.
[quote]Behind closed doors, Trump and his son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner have encouraged allies to fight against a potential impeachment by issuing statements on social media or elsewhere that discourage or condemn the move...
What they should be doing out in the open, though I am sure it has hardly crossed their frozen pea-sized minds or hearts, is to issue condoling statements regarding their supporters who were either killed or died due to the circumstances they are responsible for creating.
[bold]Multiple people died,[/bold] including a law enforcement officer, and several more were injured.
R200, in my hysteria, I started a thread on Ginni.
[quote] he isn't taking the 25th off the table, just in case Trump goes even crazier.
just in case, what? What is he waiting for? A nuclear bomb to go off somewhere? He almost got killed by his crazy followers. I cannot understand the stupidity and devotion to such a horrible psychopath.
Deed somewhone say 'couze'?
Right, r211? And it's not like thame fat slob is going to put out any mean tweets!
Two things I feel compelled to point out. One is the utter keystone kop mentality of the FBI. These motherfuckers have the nerve to say they didn't know this was coming when any person with internet access and a brain could see it weeks ago?
How fucking stupid are these assholes if they can't even be bothered to look at the FBI social media accounts where people were TELLING THEM THIS SHIT WAS GONNA HAPPEN? JFC. Can we PLEASE get the Hollywood version of the FBI? At least those fuckers take threats seriously.
Second, I have to think that big business and the GOP money men aren't liking the dollar tanking since the us is now seen as "unstable" by other works governments and businesses.
People start selling dollars and going to bitcoin or Euros and these pricks are fucked. Sure, it makes US goods cheaper, but if we're seen as "unstable", we won't get investment or loans.
Who is going to let us borrow $ if we're now considered "high risk"? Nobody.
I have to think that, if nothing else, the cuntflaps with the $ and the GOP donors don't want this fucking traitor thrashing around, threatening the global economy when they can just cunt punt him with the 25th or an impeachment conviction.
He's now more of a liability.
Other than that fag miss Lindsey it seems like most GOP senators have been either silent or slightly open regarding impeachment. Call me a fool but I think the votes are there if they were forced to vote. It would also prevent him from running in 2024 which frees them all from the shackles they'd be in for the next four years. Honestly, that's probably the biggest selling point of all.
Twitter is on it:
1:18pm, "multiple officers reported injured at the Capitol, west side,"
1:41pm, "Broken arrow!" citywide dispatch signalling units overrun
2:22pm Cap Police chief Sund requests Guard support
3pm Miller "verbally" approved DC Gd
4pm Hogan learns Miller still NOT approved MD GD
Laura Rozen @lrozen · 5h At 4:41 p.m., Hogan received a phone call from Army Sec McCarthy, asking if can send MD Gd ASAP. Hogan said yes, we've been waiting. Hogan told that Miller had verbally approved.
5:45pm Miller formally approves deployment
first DC guard arrive at 5:30
From the Nye County Republicans in Nevada. This is the stuff of nightmares. Jesus fist fucking Christ.
" So, what comes next? I don't have the particulars but I can give you milestones to watch for as the coming days unfold: Expect the emergency broadcast system to be activated. The FCC just recently released a memorandum speaking to the requirements under Federal law to send messages from the president to the public. See this link Expect confusion. We are in a battle for our republic against elites that are attempting the very coup that they are accusing Trump of doing. In battle, there will be disinformation but know that plans are being fulfilled. Expect high profile arrests to take place over the next 12 days and at any time. You may wake one morning to find someone in high office is no longer there. Expect this to be a bumpy ride to the very end. This is not a television show where things are resolved in 45 minutes. Expect more bombshell evidence to be released between now and Jan. 20th. Expect some sort of internet blackout or outage: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Gmail are likely going to be affected. If you don't have alternate forms of communication established now, it would be a good idea to start forming them even if it's just checking on your nextdoor neighbors. Expect Trump to be inaugurated on Jan 20th! Expect the executive order from 2018 and/or the Insurrection Act to be enacted. This DOES NOT mean martial law. Remember that we have been under a state of emergency since 2018 which gives the president many powers to act."
R216 omfg.
These people are really hellbent on creating what they supposedly fear is going to happen.
Too scary for words.
[quote]Where exactly are the Trumps right now?
In the Nye County (Nevada) Republican Chairman's fever dream above, it says the family was on the nuclear doomsday plane, to Abilene, Texas.
[quote]this is the type of thing that would have been reported even 5 years ago. When the news was always "up to the minute"
Maybe it was up to the minute because the President released his schedule (not "he's making calls and having meetings today) and visitor logs, the Press Secretary had daily briefings, the President gave press conferences (not helicopter rally speeches), and Administration personnel were not forbidden to speak with the media.
But you go ahead and do your own version the-media-is-evil.
[quote]What you say cannot negate the fact that the Democrats are often weak. It seems like they're less aggressive by nature.
Well I just FF'd you r156.
Ain't I the butchest?
[quote]It is truly the greatest violation a LEO can commit IMHO.
But a SAGITTARIUS is capable of much worse!
[quote] Ain't I the butchest?
No, R220, just warped. There are definitely some mentally unbalanced people on this site.
The Left is using this little incursion into the Capitol - which lasted all of one hour - as its Reichstag moment. Expect the Biden-Harris administration to use this to curtail freedom of speech, purge government agencies of anyone suspected of wrongthink, allow Big Tech oligarchs to censor at will, open the borders to ensure a flood of cheap labor to ensure high profits and a more compliant workforce, force the green nonsense down our throats, promote radical transgenderism at the expense of ordinary gays and lesbians, and all the other crap they have been pushing for years.
We're coming for you, R223! Prepare to be re-educated 😀
Thanks for dropping in, Milo at R223.
Now get the fuck out.
R223 It is not our fault that ignorant pricks like you refuse to evolve with the rest of mankind. What is it about gay people, people of color, ect, that so intimidates you? Do you feel inferior because you can not keep up with them? And without even asking, I absolutely know you have mommy issues and a mushroom dick.
[quote]And don't think countries around the world didn't see that.
We saw it R14. It was a reoccurring theme in all the videos.
No one is listening to Kushner, of all people, an unelected twerp that is completely powerless at this point, and Trump has no allies, R203. Any attempt to push back against impeachment has been rightfully silenced.
I think you forget that Senators and House members lives were directly threatened. They were terrorized for hours. They won't be forgetting what Trump did to them. EVER.
The motivation to punish Trump and make sure he is rooted out of the party is extraordinary and the energy for that is NOT going to fade.
R223 I am an out and proud gay male, so I am not sure how I could be 'intimidated' by gay men or lesbians. I haven't said anything against them, here or elsewhere. I did speak out against transgender ideology however, as I am very gender-critical. Is that what confused your little brain?
So apparently the Nye Co Repubs are batshit crazy?
The Daily Mail says Trump plans for this week: visit the border wall, do a rally in Texas, and participate in interviews about his accomplishments.
He should not be allowed to do a rally of any kind. He will incite violence.
A rally in Texas? Interviews about his accomplishments? That's fucking preposterous R231 and I hope it isn't true.
He should be banned from organizing any further rallies. Ever again.
Looks like trump is doing damage control on his "legacy."
I am sure all the interviews will be on Fox where they breathlessly read his accomplishments for him and don't even mention the mob riot he created.
Um . . . why did Officer Liebengood commit suicide. Seems suspicious no?
Of course it does.
R229 This was not meant for or this thread. I either messed up or it happened when DL was acting up.
They should not let him do rallies period. We shall see.
This guy really loves rallies and loves all those people worshiping him. The guy withers away when he lacks attention or adoration. We should stop his rallies.
I'm watching Sherrod Brown on Ari.....he truly looks like he's aged 20 years — he doesn't look like he's physically ok. It was jarring. He talked about LG tearing off his mask and screaming at an officer that they didn't do enough to protect them while they were all trapped together. Can you IMAGINE? The one who caused this turns around and abuses the (likely black) help? Such a CUNT.
Miz Lindz is an officer AND a lady.
"He will incite violence"
Hopefully from the dupes he stole money from.
That mincing prisspot should have been thrown to the mob.
It would have been fitting.
They *devoured* him!!!


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/usr/bin/ld: main.o: in function `test_printer(int, char const**)':
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printer-test.pro

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TRANSLATIONS += printer-test_en_US.ts

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void test_printer(int argc, const char *argv[])
{
    SIIAPIHANDLE hSiiApiHandle = nullptr;
    sii_api_open_device( &hSiiApiHandle, const_cast<char *>(argv[2]) );
    sii_api_close_device( hSiiApiHandle );
}

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
    //<Qt setting up the gui and engine>

    const char* args[] = {"", "0", "/dev/ttyUSB0"};

    test_printer(3, args);

    return app.exec();
}

The qmake generates a Makefile that looks something like this:
<snip>
LIBS = $(SUBLIBS) -L/home/user/printer-test/printer-test/printer_lib/ -lsii -lrt <snip>

printer-test: $(OBJECTS)
    $(LINK) $(LFLAGS) -o $(TARGET) $(OBJECTS) $(OBJCOMP) $(LIBS)
<snip>

I was able to get the library linked with a sample C program given to me by the manufacturer. Here is the Makefile I used for the C program:
PROGRAM = sample

all::
    gcc $(PROGRAM).c -o $(PROGRAM) -L ./printer_lib -lsii -lrt

clean::
    rm -f $(PROGRAM) *.o

As seen in the sample Makefile, I needed to include the rt library as well. The Makefile did not work unless the rt library was included after the sii library. Still, my Qt program does not link.

A: Trying to compile the sample code as a C++ program instead of a C program gave me the clue I needed.
I needed to include extern "C" around the API header.
My Qt program compiles now.

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The Handmaid's Tale Is Just as Disturbing for Its Actors
Joseph Fiennes, who plays Commander Waterford, says, "A part of me just couldn't wait to get out, and scream, and get back into my hoodie and trainers."
It's not exactly accurate to say that Joseph Fiennes plays the villain of The Handmaid's Tale, because no human character earns that label. The villain of this story—both Margaret Atwood's novel and Hulu's lauded adaptation—is misogyny, and the forces that have allowed it to metastasize uncontrollably across the nation, transforming the United States into the puritanical nightmare that is Gilead. But Fiennes' military commander Fred Waterford is the face of the regime, and his slippery cat-and-mouse dynamic with Offred (Elisabeth Moss) is the only arena in which she has any real autonomy. Throughout the season, as she goes from being strictly Waterford's Handmaid to his mistress, it's increasingly unclear who is manipulating whom.
"The men are pretty thinly drawn," Fiennes acknowledges in reference to Atwood's book, "and they have to be, because it's not their story." Though Fred's lack of depth on the page initially left him skeptical about the role, his trepidation didn't last long. "Once I got into the book, and particularly the relationship that grows out of his clandestine meetings with Offred, I thought there was great character copy to be had."
\'The Handmaid\'s Tale\' Is Jarring to Everyone
Early on, Waterford seems potentially sympathetic: he treats Offred more kindly than most, almost as though he sees her as a person, and an ominous invitation to his office turns into an endearingly benign game of Scrabble. But by this week's episode, it's become clear that his attention to Offred is selfish, putting her in danger in order to feed his needs rather than hers.
As has been exhaustively noted ever since the show premiered, parallels to Gilead are everywhere in 2017—not only to the regime's oppression of women, but its puritanical brand of nostalgia, and fixation on a return to traditional values. Take the revelation that Vice President Mike Pence cannot dine alone with women who aren't his wife, and then consider Gilead's rule that a commander can only be alone with a handmaid if his wife is also present. Fiennes diplomatically calls the parallels "very, very curious, in this day and age".
Below, Fiennes speaks to Esquire.com about Waterford's "pathetic" brothel dalliance with Offred, his hopes for the now-confirmed second season, and getting into the mind of a rapist.
Though Waterford is inscrutable for much of the show's early episodes, Fiennes worked a lot on unseen backstory.
The thing I wanted to explore was the relationship he had with the previous Offred. Coming to my own conclusions about what her death meant, and the reasons she took her life, and the impact that would have had on the household and Fred, was an interesting starting point. In the book, Fred is described as "a pathetic, soft, withered limb that lives inside a tough military boot." There's a sense of loneliness, and of his wanting to reach out and wanting to care for [Offred], and then there is this lurking monster—a man drunk on his position of power, and all of these arcane rituals he partakes in to keep control.
You should be thrown by him, as Offred is, and that uncertainty makes her knife-edge negotiation of survival that much more gripping. Because in a sense, you want her to find this sanctuary [in his office]. There's life, there's words, there's Scrabble, there's an exchange of human contact, and yet Fred is loving that power exchange, and loving the fact that her life is in his hands. He's ultimately a dark creature, but to begin with I wanted there to be elements that would confuse.
There's a specific reason why Waterford was unable to perform during the ceremony in Episode Four, directly after he asks Offred to join him for Scrabble later and she declines to answer.
Taking away power from a rapist ends up emasculating him to such a degree that he can't perform. I think that's essentially what [that scene] is. Whether it's subliminal or not, he feels that he has lost control when she doesn't answer him. Out of nothing, she manages to find a kind of status in her silence, just not saying, "Yes, I'll meet you for Scrabble at 9:30." Just delaying that response was enough to throw him into turmoil, and physically we see the repercussions of that.
Though Waterford is probably sterile, Gilead doesn't allow for that possibility to be voiced–even to himself.
I think there's probably a two per cent part of his brain that might go there, but he's used to blaming his wife. So much of his disconnect with Serena is based on the barrenness, the idea that she hasn't provided them with a child which is such a status symbol. He's so far down that road of detachment and blame that he wouldn't dream that [the problem] is possibly him. In the higher echelons of Gilead, as a commander, I think it wouldn't befit him too well. The revelation would just be too crushing,and maybe we'll get to see that in the second series. I'd also like season two to really examine how a regime like Gilead comes into effect; the minutiae of that would be fascinating.
Episode Eight reveals the deeply immature impulses that drive Waterford.
He's pushing this relationship to the extreme, and in one sense it's a classic setup, the married man and the mistress. He loves having Offred take on his wife's identity and wear the cloak, and once they cross the bridge into this forbidden territory he's able to operate as he please, transporting them both away from all the rules and regulations. But I think he also loves the power of shocking Offred. There's this "naughty boy" side to him, and I think he gets a kick out of this completely pathetic brothel setup–it's sad in every which way, but I think there's an immature thrill he gets out of the shock factor. He's exhilarated by it.
As tough as the show is to watch, it was even more grueling to shoot.
Every day before filming I had to draw a deep breath, because it's such a creepy world, and such a creepy character to inhabit. A part of me just couldn't wait to get out, and scream, and get back into my hoodie and trainers. The ceremony scenes were deeply disturbing [to shoot], because they're so much about rape culture, although Fred has invented this justification for it through scripture. For me, every utterance and every move he makes is tainted with the corrosive effects of patriarchal authority.
It's ugly, and the fact that it's human nature makes it more ugly. I've met, and read about, and seen, people who just have no sense of equality or humanity. They're privileged to the point of disconnect, and in this world of Gilead, I think Fred believes he's untouchable. Scripture and theocracy have allowed him to disappear behind this cloak of authority, and he's become the mask.
Emma Dibdin Contributor Emma Dibdin writes about television, movies, and podcasts, with coverage including opinion essays, news posts, episodic reviews and in-depth interviews with creatives.
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Portonovo ferry port in Spain connects you with Ons Island in Spain with a choice of up to 34 ferry crossings per week. The duration of the Portonovo to Ons Island crossing is from 30 minutes and the crossing is operated by Naviera Nabia & Mar de Ons.
Portonovo is a very small port town on the southwest coast of Spain, belonging to the municipality of Sanxenxo. The only ferry route departing the port is to Ons Island, with many daily sailings making the crossing each day, typically lasting around 45 minutes.
What is there to do in Portonovo?
Sunbathe in the daytime and socialise in the thriving nightlife come the evening, Portonovo has something that suits every kind of visitor. Young people typically come to top up their tans before dancing till the early hours, whilst solo travellers and families can peruse the copious statues and landmarks that consume the town centre. Tourists of all backgrounds mix together in the charming streets, yet everyone seems to share one common interest – a love for Portonovo's beaches. Playa de Silgar is perhaps the most prominent beach, with ice cream parlours, restaurants and cafes scattered along the coastline. For the finest white sands and enigmatic sea-life head to Playa de Canelinas for a relaxing afternoon admiring the wonderful views of Ons Island.
The beaches may hold the key to Portonovo's appeal, yet white sands and sun cream may not satisfy everyone's holiday needs - luckily there is plenty more to do. Various walking trails decorate the landscape, though it is worthwhile going fairly early in the morning to avoid climbing the challenging trails in peak heat.
How do you get around Portonovo?
It is not only possible, but highly recommended by locals, to leisurely stroll across the entirety of Portonovo's bustling and beautiful promenade.
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Top Historical Sites in the City of Palma de Mallorca
The city of Palma is the only major city in the Baeleric Islands. As the capital city, Palma features a variety of historical places, landmarks and cathedrals to explore it's Roman, Moorish and Christian roots. The name Palma dates back to it's Roman settlements, though humans have settled on this land since the Bronze Age. Throughout the centuries, Palma switched hands between Arabic and Catholic rulership, but today, is a tourist city dotted with modern cafes, hotels and shops residing within ancient architecture. When visiting Palma, discover it's ancient history at one of these many places, museums and landmarks.
La Seu - Mallorca Cathedral
The foundational stones were placed in 1229, which transformed from mosque to cathedral.
This Levantine Gothic jewel that overlooks the sea, this magnificent structure's construction began in 1230, replacing a former mosque. The interior is as splendid and spectacular as the exterior. Inside, explore a variety of historic paintings, each with a story of its own. Enjoy the sunlight that moves through the stained-glass windows, which was once a method used of telling time. In 1904, Gaudi refurbished the chapel, to what I consider to look like creepy, demonic artwork, but hey it's different. Inside guests also discover the tombs of Mallorca's past Kings, James II and James III. Entry fee: 4 euros
Banys Arabs (Arabic Baths)
This is one of the most magical places to explore in Palma. Cute, quiet and serene, discover a lush garden of lemon trees and Balearic flowers planted amidst the four walls of this ancient bathhouse. Located in the medieval quarter of the city, Banys Arabs is the only remaining Moorish building in the Palma. Built in the 10th Century, all that survives are two underground chambers, one of which contains capitals recycled from demolished Roman buildings.
Bellver Castle
This Gothic-stlye caste is set on a hill three kilometers west of city center. The castle's foundation is circular, which is one of the few circular designs in Europe. A rarity in design, Bellver was built in the 14th Century for King James II. The castle survived two sieges, during the years of 1343 (Peter IV of Aragon's campaign to reincorporate Majorcan terrifies to the Aragon reign) and 1391 (anti-semitic peasant revolt). Today, the castle is home to the city's history museum.
Museo de Mallorca
Discover the historical and ancient roots of this island nation at the Mallorca Museum. Located in a 16th-century mansion popularly known as "Casa de la Gran Cristiana," explore a variety of Gothic panels, Moorish ceramics, weapons, paintings and furniture.
Visit an Ancient Olive Tree in Placa de Cort
Located in Old Town, nearby Town Hall, is an attractive square that features an extremely large and oversized olive tree. The trunk wraps in various directions, similar to a labyrinth. Some sources claim the tree is 600 years old, where others state 800 – either way the tree is a finca, Pedruixella Petit, from the Pollensa area of the Sierra Tramuntana. It lived there for five or six hundred years before transplanted to Mallorca.
Palau de l'Almudaina
Discover what used to the be home of 13th Century Mallorcan rulers. This royal palace is adjacent to the Palma Cathedral and was built after the conquest of the Arabs. Jaume II converted this into Gothic style, but elements of Moorish "touch" still remains. Inside, discover bygone era charms of what rooms used to look like, which are decorated with historical tapestries, rugs, furniture and paintings. Outside visitors lounge in the S'Hort del Rei gardens and enjoy rows of water fountains set amidst the manicured lawn.
Can Joan de S'Aigo Cafe
Dating back to the 18th Century, this 200 year old café is the oldest ice cream parlour Palma. If ice cream is not your thing, be sure to taste test an ensaimada or for the savory at heart, try a Mallorcan flatbread known as Coca de trampó.
Far de Portopí Lighthouse
Believe it or not, this is the world's third oldest operating lighthouse. This revitalized port features a variety of restaurants, a yacht club and shopping mall. The lighthouse is the main historic attraction, and everything else is modern. There are records of shipping to Port de Palma before Muslim conquest (902-1229) to Portopi and La Cala.
Port de Palma
Port de Palma is the largest of the five Balearic ports, and situated on the seaside connecting to the streets of Palma's Old Town. The port is separated into four sections: the commercial docks, the Poniente Quays, the marina docks and the West Breakwater and welcomes cargo and recreational ships.
What's your favorite historical place to visit in Mallorca?
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Q: Automate clicking of menu item and opening file - Windows XP I have a windows XP computer, that is running LaserCut 5.3.
I would like to automate the process of importing a DXF file, which I do by going File > Import > [selecting DXF] > Clicking Import.
The DXF file is always in the same location. (C:\autoCut\receivedFile.dxf)
Is there any way I can automate the clicking through of importing the file?
The computer runs Windows XP Professional and has Python 2.7 installed. As it is a school computer, I would rather not install extra programs, but can do if it is the only way.
Thanks

A: Take a look at pywinauto:
http://pywinauto.github.io/
There's also the swapy project, which might be useful for getting a head start on generating your pywinauto code:
https://code.google.com/p/swapy/

A: Use Sikuli - Automation tool.
You can also use these sikuli libraries into your java program to automate your application.
How to use Sikuli with Java program - reference


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