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Phanto
A major economy out of recession.
That was faster than expected. Still a long road, but exciting.
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James Tiberius Kirk
And Germany, and France.
None of this really matters until the jobs come back, though.
--j_k
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Yay them.
Now if we could get out of recession and I can get a nice job
Close to home.
And make money.
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Oh, also:
The BBC article on Japan
The economy - the world's second-largest - had shown four consecutive quarter-on-quarter contractions.
Correspondents say the rise is due to a huge stimulus package and it is unclear whether the momentum will be sustained.
and the WaPo article on France and Germany:
Though a host of other European economies -- including Britain, Italy and Spain -- are still mired in one of the worst recessions in generations, contractions are moderating even in many of those nations, an indication that they too may be close to rebounding. It underscores, analysts say, how ramped-up government stimulus spending around the globe appears to be having at least some of its desired effects.
I think the Administration will try to hammer that point home in the coming days.
Orincoro
Originally posted by James Tiberius Kirk:
So it doesn't that you're out of the wheelchair until you can run again? I'd say a) job loss can have a positive long term economic effect, and b) in order for jobs to come back, the businesses that employ people need to be doing business again.
Perfect example of why a) is important is the Soviet Union and republics. Everyone had a job if they were physically able, but the economy still sucked. It takes getting rid of a lot of jobs (some of which are useful) in order to weed out the ones that aren't useful when you get to rebuilding your worker base. Why hire back that person that was never missed? Of course, we've taken that to an extreme that can also backfire with outsourcing manufacturing and service jobs and importing labor, because your economy also requires skilled people to be employed in order to afford to buy the products that they themselves are making. Just like communism draws the entire workforce to a grinding virtual standstill, hyper-capitalism drives itself completely off the rails if not controlled.
The Pixiest
Jobs are a trailing indicator. If you want to see how things are going, watch the market. (been up lately; tanking today.)
When the market goes up, jobs are sure to follow. When the market starts trending down, plant narcotics in your co-worker's desks so they're the ones who get laid off.
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When the market starts trending down, plant narcotics in your co-worker's desks so they're the ones who get laid off.
that way at least they'll have something to ease the pain of job loss.
BlackBlade
Originally posted by Strider:
Not to mention the tools necessary to start a new vocation immediately.
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Blayne Bradley
Originally posted by Orincoro:
I'ld think that the economic problems with the Soviet Union are not so simple as to be simplified into a single sentence, it worked perfectly fine when at war, efficiently as well. It would actually be far more accurate to blame their economic woes on a dragging agricultural sector of the economy rather then the assertion that "everyone" was employed which I am nearly certain is an incorrect myth.
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I was only writing about the workforce in relation to the economy. It was as much a symptom of the deeply flawed economic policies of the Soviet Union as a cause of further problems.
To illustrate, you're perfectly right that poor agricultural performance led to large shortfalls in productivity and economic growth. However, Russia, especially at the time, was blessed with vaster than vast tracts of some of the best agricultural land in the world. However, production was so inefficient, as with every sector of the workforce, and innovation was so stagnant, that this massive economic jewel was squandered for decades. Partly this was because demand was defined by the government, along with nominal pay, so agricultural production didn't ever really respond to consumer demand, nor was it allowed to become, as in the United States, a highly profitable and diverse export industry.
As for employment, I did not say that "everyone" was employed. My personal experience only relates to people I've met and worked with who lived in the former Soviet republic of Czechoslovakia. Here, especially in service and other "white collar" work, jobs were indeed arranged mostly by local government bureaus, and people were employed according to set contracts that were mostly non-reflective of job performance, had little or even no room for advancement, and encouraged minimal productivity, and in many cases alcoholism, graft and other abuses. I'm not claiming it's as simple as, yes, the myths that abound about Soviet states and work, but I've had students who lived as communist bureau appointees, and I can assure you the stories they represent as the norm for their experiences are startling. Offices that employed up to three times the number of workers necessary, including many people who simply did no work at all, supervisors who were perpetually drunk, and organizational schemes so laughable and useless that it boggles the mind to hear the stories. The damage done during that time to the work force, even in blessed and largely independent areas like CR, is plainly obvious even today- I have no trouble at all spotting communist appointee relics who have yet to surrender the positions assigned to them decades ago, and who have perhaps cruelly been allowed to languish in their former positions. A friend of mine who works as a multi-lingual document translator, formerly involved in post communist Czech intelligence, describes these remaining outposts, such as the Czech/Slovak foreign police bureau, and the labor ministry, as "the shame of our nation." I assure you the people you encounter in these offices are really comically incompetent.
And this is the farthest west and the most developed of all the former republics, with the slight exception of Slovakia, with which CR is very close politically and economically. Can you imagine what went on in places where there was even less free market activity, deeper behind the iron curtain where friends and relatives from outside couldn't see what was happening? Czechoslovakia got off remarkably easy in the Soviet Union, and things still aren't right twenty years later. Having now been in personal contact with a lot of people from Russia proper, Ukraine, Belarus, and other parts of the former Soviet Bloc, I'm more convinced than I ever was that what Russia once called communism is just about one of the worst ideas, and one of the most dangerous, ever hatched by man.
Actually the GDR had the highest level of development of the Warsaw Pact not counting the Soviet Union, which by having more people and more resources developed more.
My readings point out two major problems, 1) the overcentralization of the agricultural sector and thus became inefficient with sufficient urbanization (net exporter to net importer during the 70's) and Khrushchev's de-centralization of the Soviet Unions industry and delegated it to the Oblasts, something they haven't really recovered from until now.
But the Satellites are NOT a good way to judge the performance of the Soviet Union's economy by proxy, only by analyzing the Soviet Unions economy directly can you figure out what the problems actually were and not just assuming that just because it happened a certain way in Romania it must be that way in Russia. And Czechoslavakia only got off "easy" in the first decade more or less, it became more tightly aligned with Moscow after the Prague Spring.
For example Paul Kennedy makes it clear that of the Soviet economy its military-industrial complex did very well and its economy did extremely well during its portion of WWII. The Soviet economy as such as far as Command Economies go isn't bad, but rather it needs a high degree of maintenance and corruption control to keep it going effectively.
Russia today is also not a good way of determining how good/bad its Soviet economy was, "Shock Therapy" is just about the most ruinous and worst macro economy policy ever conceived to attempt to jump start a market economy.
Its a shame they didn't follow the Chinese example and do some open market reforms to shake up the establishment and slowdown/tune down glasnost, sure they'ld be out the Baltic's either way but Ukraine and Belarus would have stayed.
I sure hope this means more cars in the shop at work soon if the U.S. is to follow suit.
Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
Post soviet Union, and I'm talking only about the first republics to enter the fully developed world. CR and Slovakia were first, iirc.
GDR doesn't exactly count because it was dissolved following the collapse of the USSR, meaning it never faced redevelopment alone following the collapse, whereas Czechoslovakia and then the two republics separately were outside the EU and USSR for nearly a decade and a half.
And Czechoslavakia only got off "easy" in the first decade more or less, it became more tightly aligned with Moscow after the Prague Spring.
Not exactly. Yes, the public face of the central government was more present following Prague Spring, but there remained a number of economic freedoms not present in other republics, such as export shops, the ability to receive personal aid from the west, and other aspects of local autonomy that were greater than within, say, Ukraine or Belarus.
They might as well have stayed if you ask Belarusians and Ukrainians. Russia keeps an iron fist over their relations and their imports, especially energy, but is responsible for no actual support.
Besides, you're ignoring the reason why "shock therapy" was really applied. It doesn't take an economist to see thousands of ridiculously wealthy Russians living in places like Karlovy Vary, Minsk and Kiev, figure out where they got all that money (control over privatized industries, mostly to do with natural resources), and figure out where all the power really went after the fall. Russian political culture carries a sense of personal entitlement so pervasive, they would (and did) train wreck their own economy to strike it rich in oil speculation. I know it's not *that* simple, but it's also not that complicated to figure out why they didn't take a more measured approach to reform.
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I mean that according to polls in 1990' roughly 70% of Ukrainians and Belarussians polled would've agreed to stay in a reconstituted Soviet Union.
But in any case I'm fairly certain that Shock Therapy was applied due to a mistaken belief that the "Washington Consensus" was somehow a good idea, it wasn't.
fugu13
This would be the Belarus that has been governed by the world's most despotic dictator since the fall of the USSR, yes? Such an excellent comparison -- "The USSR wasn't worse than the world's worst dictator!"
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Originally posted by fugu13:
World's Worst? I though Kim Jong il won that award.
Depends on your criteria. In terms of longevity, I think Kim wins. In terms of sheer numbers of people made to endure deep levels of misery, I think Mao wins.
Not of all time, just currently. Though there's certainly a lot of dispute -- there are just so many contenders! He isn't as flashy as a number of dictators, and is much more effective at suppressing people than the ones who go out and kill people wholesale, so he doesn't rate high on a lot of people's lists.
However, think about what it is necessary to do to remain the last dictator in Europe.
King of Men
Fine, and so what? This is the second time just in this thread you've done this: "X was the worst Y", someone says, and you respond "No, Z was even worse!" without any attempt to address the substantive point being made, namely that X was very dang bad for such-and-such reasons.
Rakeesh
I'm just going to say that the notion that the Soviet economy was ever a model of efficiency and thrift is controversial, and leave it at that.
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Being friends with a Authoritarian Democracy thats bigger then the democracies?
I dispute this as A) You probably get this from reading Jung Chiang whose attempt at scholarship is laughable, and B) The man's memory is still very popular and venerated today by a very large proportion of people in China especially those who feel left out and left behind the economic boom and upset with the growing gap, alot of rural farmers.
"Fine, and so what? This is the second time just in this thread you've done this: "X was the worst Y", someone says, and you respond "No, Z was even worse!" without any attempt to address the substantive point being made, namely that X was very dang bad for such-and-such reasons. "
Without looking back in the thread I'm fairly certain I didn't, I said "GDR's economy was better" not that it was worse.
"I'm just going to say that the notion that the Soviet economy was ever a model of efficiency and thrift is controversial, and leave it at that. "
I don't think it needs to be said that it is historical fact that during World War II the Soviet economy WAS efficient http://english.pobediteli.ru/flash.html?DR=0 mentions this at some point, as well as the book "History of the Second World War" by Basil Liddel Hart and "The History of the Soviet Army" can't find the exact name but Cpt. Hart wrote the forward to it.
In response to the assertion that Czech Republic was the first developed former republic, so your response was still a negation. Not that it mattered, because GDR didn't exist long after the Soviet Union anyway, so it didn't follow the point of the initial assertion.
KoM's point seems to be that the details about how bad the Soviet economy was, and exactly why it was x degree of bad as opposed to y degree of bad, and for N and not Z reasons, is forming an ellipsis around the fact that the soviet economy was undeniably an under performer, and that the blame for that could not possible be diverted completely from the communist ideology, whatever form it took in actual application.
For me, it's not that I can argue against the idea that communism or pure socialism has never really been tried in an ideal way. However, one can clearly see that there is something inherent in the philosophy that causes its supposed students to essentially sabotage it whenever it is tried. I would say just about the same for free market capitalism- there just doesn't seem to be a way to both be society among other societies, and actually following a coherent set of political or economic ideals. The solutions end up either being the suppression of foreign influence, or the corruption of the system in place, or usually both.
Well I thought we were referring to pre 1991. Which was why I mentioned GDR, I was not sure how mentioning how CR recovered first was relevent.
I dispute this as A) You probably get this from reading Jung Chiang whose attempt at scholarship is laughable,
Not really. It is just simple math.
Kim could kill/oppress every single person in North Korea twice before even starting to reach the number of people affected by the land reforms, the Great Leap Forward, and the Cultural Revolution.
Hell, there are probably any number of "minor" figures in Chinese history such as the leader of the Taiping Rebellion or the Mongols that would have killed/oppressed more than Kim.
Its not really a useful comparison since China will invariably dominate either the low end or high end of any measure where the number of people plays a big role *shrug*
B) The man's memory is still very popular and venerated today by a very large proportion of people in China especially those who feel left out and left behind the economic boom and upset with the growing gap, alot of rural farmers.
The truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress, uh, when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns ... and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced 'em. And they fell through the Deng administration, and the Zemin administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate, and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to their religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or ... uh, anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
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Roughly 200 billion $ a year though is being funneled into the interior and remote provinces through to close the gap between the rich coast and and the poorer interior, point is it is not simple math, sure more people had hard time at certain POINTS of Chinese history but it is undeniable that living standards improved greatly after 1949 with the end of the Civil and the ending of strife and disunity that made living in China at the time an unsettling prospect.
But only 21-25 million people died in the great leap forward with some real advances in the economy despite the wasted effort into "communal forges" and only ~1 million died in the Cultural Revolution but these are only moments in history, Mao was leader from 1949 to the 70's the periods of history he is infamous for maybe make up 9 to 11 years in total between that and his VERY real accomplishments from unifying China, setting the foundation for its modernization, restoring national pride, its space program, becomming a very real if albeit regional Great Power it is not hard to imagine people NOT JUST in the rural undeveloped areas as genuinely remembering him in fondness as objectively at the very least as the Man who United China.
Putting it as "well they only like him because they "cling to guns and religion"" so to speak I think is dishonest. They can very well remember him fondly BECAUSE his administration actually did REAL good for them when he was alive.
Looking at is as how much human suffering did Mao cause you have to look at it on a per capita basis and keep in mind what things were like before he came to power, though I might add, popular support, you don't end up with 4 million enemy soldiers defecting to you without you offering something better.
But only 21-25 million people died in the great leap forward with some real advances in the economy despite the wasted effort into "communal forges" and only ~1 million died in the Cultural Revolution but these are only moments in history, Mao was leader from 1949 to the 70's the periods of history he is infamous for maybe make up 9 to 11 years in total between that and his VERY real accomplishments from unifying China
In the sense that these "moments in time" comprised half of the time he ruled China, and in the sense that "only 21-25 million people died" as a result oh his actions, which is on par with Stalin and Hitler, then you are correct. In the sense that these should be considered acceptable or forgivable errors, I couldn't disagree more.
He unified China in blood, and fear, and misery. He destroyed the lives of untold millions, and presided over the persecution of untold thousands. He also murdered lots of people who he didn't manage to kill with his policies. How this in a man you admire is hard to understand. It's easy, in relative terms, to do destructively what it takes a genius to do constructively. Yeah, he unified China. Good job.
Blayne:
A person who lived through the aftermath of the Great Leap and the Cultural Revolution, who became the first Chinese woman to obtain a PHD from a foreign university since the ROC was founded, and who spent 10 years researching her book on Mao, and you want to pit your scholarship against her?
Beyond that, The Great Leap Forward is universally accepted as a disaster. You must be the only person who thought it was a success in anyway, even Mao himself was forced to read a self criticism to the party congress in the aftermath of that failed plan. Mao may have unified China, but you are assuming he was the only one who could have done the job. Try not to ignore the fact that he murdered and chased out of town every single intelligent Chinese communist that couldn't be bought.
China's major economic reforms were mostly the work of Deng Xiao Ping and Liu Shao Qi, Mao punished them for stealing his prestige while simultaneously pretending to be the originator of their policies. He managed to snuff out Liu but he could never get rid of Deng as Deng was too competent. Once Mao died, Deng immediately made huge changes that are principally responsible for China's economic recovery.
The man's memory is still very popular and venerated today by a very large proportion of people in China especially those who feel left out and left behind the economic boom and upset with the growing gap, alot of rural farmers.
You do not know what you are talking about. You cannot yet ask the Chinese people how they feel about Chairman Mao as his history is completely shrouded in myth for them. The aftermath of Mao's programs like The Hundred Flowers campaign where people were encouraged to speak up and were then violently punished or where people were tortured until they could identify somebody else as a class enemy still keeps most Chinese people from really saying what they think politically.
It's getting better, but you have no idea how tight the noose in China still is in many places.
Even if we ignore the millions Mao persecuted, murdered, and starved, he also practically obliterated a 6,000 year old culture. It astonishes me every time I think about how much was lost in the cultural revolution.
The cultural revolution was completely unnecessary, Mao created it so he could consolidate power after the disaster that is The Great Leap Forward. Instead of admitting his mistake and letting good Chinese men take some of his power back and actually fix the country, he co opted the youth of the country, and used them to wreck the entire country rather than step down.
I can almost, almost, if I squint and look sideways and it's foggy and dark out, get with you when you say 'only 21-25 million' people died in the 'Great Leap Forward', Blayne. Even though most of the planet regards it as an ironic name for such a failed endeavor.
I can almost get with you because you think it accomplished good things, so in that sense and in only that sense, it could be said that those deaths helped accomplish something-if you grant the extremely unlikely premise that it accomplished things worthwhile of the sacrifices.
But when you write off the hundreds of thousands dead in the 'Cultural Revolution', it's a shameful thing to do, Blayne. Even the bloody CCP views the Cultural Revolution as something to be avoided, though they have some pretty odd reasons for that.
How you can claim so stridently that Chinese people in the PRC love him so much when expressing feelings to the contrary often invites, shall we say, trouble, is strange as well.
And once again you attempt to twist words so as not to have to make a substantive response. The point is that whether GDR was or was not more developed than the Czech Republic has utterly nothing to do with whether the relative prosperity of the Czechs was caused by their freer economic policy. The statement "The CR was the best-developed nation in the Eastern Bloc" was not the substantive part of the comment; the implication that its development was due to freedoms that didn't exist elsewhere, was, and you completely failed to respond to that. You do this so consistently that I must conclude it is a deliberate debating tactic, to avoid acknowledging points you don't like.
... But only 21-25 million people died in the great leap forward ...
There are "only" roughly 22 million people in North Korea. Given that you've accepted that Mao has killed that many in just the Greap Leap Forward, it fairly simple to note that Mao has undoubtably caused "deep levels of misery" (as BB put it) to that number again, even if only in the form of the parents and the siblings of those involved.
It really is quite simple.
*shrug* I'm sure that those clinging to guns and religion in American small towns sure think that those things did good for them. (Or perhaps REAL good?)
But it doesn't necessarily mean that it is true.
Originally posted by BlackBlade:
[QB] Blayne:
First, a nitpick, I seriously doubt that. Given the fairly large number of Chinese people immigrating from Hong Kong, I can think of any number of people that would qualify before her, even in my own family. In fact, Googling an interview with her, it states that she claims that she is merely the first Chinese woman from "Communist China to receive a doctorate from a British university" which is a much more limited claim given the large numbers of Chinese people in the US and Canada compared to the UK.
You do not know what you are talking about. You cannot yet ask the Chinese people how they feel about Chairman Mao as his history is completely shrouded in myth for them.
Hardly. There are any number of overseas Chinese of various stripes in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and North America. Futhermore, Jung Chang is herself part of this process of immigration.
Even in China proper, the most that can be said is that Chinese people don't like speaking about Chinese politics with white people on camera. This is perfectly understandable because thats probably the best way of getting caught by the authorities.
That said, there are many academics (Western OR Chinese) that have very large issues with Jung Chang's book. Off the top of my head, there was a scathing review of it by Jonathan Spence (I think you may have read his book on the Taiping Rebellion).
I think John Pomfret sums up my thoughts on both the academic issues and the current (at the time of the book) scholarship in China. The whole review is worth reading but are some excerpts.
But unlike in the West, where the view of Mao has remained petrified, scholars in China are battling over the meaning of the man. For a growing group of them, who have published their books and essays in out-of-the-way or overseas publishing houses, Mao was a tyrant. In recent years, historians writing in mainland China have made enormous contributions to the study of Mao's life -- showing how his particular brand of cruelty helped fashion China's peculiarly successful brand of totalitarianism, dissecting his debauchery and sexual deviancy, detailing his sadism, his disastrous policies, the famines he caused and the lives he destroyed. Another group has shown how Mao's crimes have devastated China's culture, creating a broken snitch society absent a moral compass.
Against that backdrop arrives the extraordinary Mao: The Unknown Story , by Jung Chang and her husband, the scholar Jon Halliday, who last collaborated on Chang's bestselling family portrait, Wild Swans . Their 814-page tome relies heavily on new Chinese scholarship; indeed, it probably could not have been written without it. The biography also benefits from solid research by Halliday in newly opened Soviet archives.
When it sticks to the new Chinese and Russian sources, the book shines, providing readers with the most detailed portrayal of the "Great Helmsman" to date. But when it pretends to tell us what the chairman is thinking and feeling, the book veers toward magical realism. Finally, its tendency toward hyperbole damages its otherwise persuasive case against Mao.
In short, if you're hoping for staid, balanced scholarship, don't read this book. It's not history; it's a screed, albeit a screed on the side of the angels. Chang writes with the zeal of the converted. As a youth, she, like millions in her generation, was intoxicated with Mao and viewed him as a god. But he ravaged untold lives, including hers. Chang obviously figured she didn't need to get mad; she got even.
(His own book, Chinese Lessons, provides good examples of Chinese people talking about Mao off-camera. Another good one is Red China Blues by Jan Wong)
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Mucus, what books do you recommend for a reader who is only really familiar with American Chinese fiction and biographies, and not modern history? Perhaps a biography of Mao, but also your favorite 20th century histories of China. My favorite book on American Chinese immigration is not very academic, it's On Gold Mountain, by Lisa See. I recommend it, but to be clear it is a fictionalized biography of a single successful Chinese family in California, and only glosses the big picture of immigration starting around 1880.
I'd like to read something engaging about modern Chinese history for the relatively uninitiated reader. The only Chinese history I've really studied has been limited to history classes and random wiki-hopping, unfortunately.
Mucus: I think you are confusing my castigation of Mao as also a defense of Jung Chang. I confess I did not do a good job drawing a distinction.
From your post,
This perfectly sums up how I feel about Mao: The Untold Story.
Exactly, getting caught by the authorities. People can speak frankly amongst family and close friends, but you would never have a group of students meet together and discuss what Mao did wrong. People don't publish editorials criticizing him in Mainland China. In school when they learn about Mao, the curriculum still more closely approaches Mao's myth rather than true history.
Googling an interview with her, it states that she claims that she is merely the first Chinese woman from "Communist China to receive a doctorate from a British university" which is a much more limited claim given the large numbers of Chinese people in the US and Canada compared to the UK.
Ah, that's what I was going for, I thought it might be a bit more narrow than what I said, but I could not recall how. In either case, she is still a primary source of information when it comes to the cultural revolution, whereas Blayne is simply a man with an opinion.
Orincoro: Hmmm, engaging...
Honestly, while I've had general modern Chinese history texts and stuff lying around the house/from courses, I can't say I've found them particularly engaging, so I'll defer to others there. The scope might just be too large.
I'll note two biography-like books that I have found engaging recently.
I mentioned Chinese Lessons earlier because I'm familiar with the author's work in the Washington Post. He's usually quite on the ball and can be pretty insightful.
It is a factual biography (although I believe some names and places have been switched around to protect identities) about his classmates and its quite engaging. There's a interview with him about the book here. This was on sale very recently, so it might be a good deal in the financial sense too.
I also recently read Red China Blues. I think it is about as close as we'll get to reading about what would happen if Blayne went back to Cultural Revolution China (But seriously, its an excellent book)
I think you are confusing my castigation of Mao as also a defense of Jung Chang. I confess I did not do a good job drawing a distinction.
To the former, yep. To the latter, sorry.
Originally posted by Rakeesh:
While I am reading the rest of the thread (got back from work) I have to respond to this.
A) I did not say the Cultural Revolution was a good or justifable thing in anyway (though I must say IT WAS "positive" in the sense that Henry Kissinger thought it was positive (the Party encouraging the people/intellectuals to tear down party institutions) and viewed it as an argument as to why America should seek Relations with China.
Beyond that the very first things I read about the Cultural Revolution aside from it being a fascinating time and unheard of in any Stalinist country but anyways the first thing I read about it is that it completely delayed China's modernization back an entire generation due to its damage to University and technical institutions that were forced to work in completely counter productive ways if not closed down completely for the duration.
That said I will reiterate I am not defending the Cultural Revolution and I view it with disappointment as Mao's reputation would be easily salvageable without it. I am only saying maybe at most 1 million people died during it by the Red Guards to show that in total a 30 million mark is reasonable total death toll which in all frankness doesn't backup the assertion of how "bad" China was under Mao in consideration of everything else.
Quick round point, Mao was the only COMPETANT man at the time who could Unify China, Chiang Kai Shek was by all accounts the far worse choice.
I reccoment "Mao A Life: By Philip Short" which a quick read through (merely the first half, never managed to finish the second half) pretty much disproves much of what I've read of Jung Chang and 100% of all internet arguments back on perspectives.
A WELL READ man with an opinion, on the internet I should point out, your also a man with an opinion if we go that route.
"I should start with why I like and recommend this book. Jane Wong tells a fascinating story, and I found this book to be extremely hard to put down. Her descriptions of life in China during the latter part of the cultural revolution, the gradual reopening of the country following Mao's death, and the crackdown at Tiananmen are first rate, emotionally powerful, and give you a sense of what it would have felt like to "be there" during those momentous events in recent Chinese history. I almost didn't read this book because I have read so many other books on China over the past years (in addition to a brief visit and many conversations with Chinese friends) that I didn't think this one would have much to offer. I couldn't have been more wrong. I would rate this book in the top two, along with Steven Mosher's "Broken Earth; The Rural Chinese".
My disappointment with the book is due to the remarkable lack of depth in Jane's own spiritual journey. I was surprised to learn that she never really breaks with Mao."
I should get this book. And meet this person.
Incorrect, vastly incorrect, incredibly incorrect and easily dismissed by a quick google search.
a) the GLF deaths only happened in a relatively short period of time 4-5 years probably less I don't know off the top of my head, so moment in time and would be forgotten in time.
b) he unified China in a civil war that he and his party time and again offered a compromise backed by BOTH the USA and USSR that Chiang repeatedly refused. China was chalk for of misary already that you cannot possibly blame Mao for, the Japanese invasion of China, the warlords who kept China unstable, Chiang's mismanagement of the economy and corrupt nepotism government that sold out China's interests for short term gain!
Compared to the Hundred Years of Hell (actual Chinese opinion of the time PRIOT to 1949) Mao uniting China and bringing a stable and competant government to the land, unity and order is ONE HELL of a good job!
fear? What are you talking about!? The soldiers say the Maoists as the better choice then the Nationalists how is that "uniting by fear"? Crazy and misinformed!
... My disappointment with the book is due to the remarkable lack of depth in Jane's own spiritual journey. I was surprised to learn that she never really breaks with Mao."
To make it clear, I provided the Amazon links as background information for the books, not necessarily because I agree with what is said on those pages.
I actually noticed that review before and I think it is clear that he is bringing a lot of baggage to his review and is essentially co-opting the book in order to make a point about his political opponents in America.
Thus, I think he rather misses the forest for the trees and picks rather irrelevant bits to make his rather dubious points about the author.
Indeed. I may note that as a Canadian, you may already have heard of her in a totally different context. She's quite a provocateur, doing some pretty wacky stunts and rocking the boat in pursuit of a story (which I would honestly prefer more of).
This backfired in the Jan Wong controversy. Personally, I thought it was shameful the way in which the political class interjected itself into the discussion in order to get cheap points/votes from Quebec, but that is where you may have heard of her.
Fascinating, I think I agree with her, if I think what she means if what I'm reading I'm not sure though.
I didn't say you said it was a good thing, though frankly I'd be surprised if you thought it wasn't - a million or even a score of millions of Chinese deaths honestly don't appear to weigh much in your evaluations of modern Chinese history. I said it was shameful to say that 'only' ~1 million people died in the 'Cultural Revolution', for the reasons I gave.
You're right, Stalinist countries hardly ever had massive purges of undesirables within their own borders. However, it's good - not to say stunning - to hear you say something that's unequivocally critical of a PRC policy, past or present. Though how you can say that and also say 'only' ~1 million died is beyond me.
And then you say stuff like this. 'Disappointment'? By all accounts the Cultural Revolution was a major disaster. As such a fan of the PRC you shouldn't be 'disappointed', you ought to be devastated - at least, in the sense of viewing historical events - that it happened.
They haven't forgotten it yet. For some crazy reason.
'Chiang was worse!' is not, no matter how often you repeat it or in how many ways Blayne, a defense of Mao. 'It could've been worse' is true, of course it's true. It's always true. It can always be worse.
Look, just say 'it could've been worse' and save yourself some typing, because that's what these arguments amount to.
I've never gotten how Blayne became not only a communist, but an actual Maoist. It's such a weirdly difficult thing to justify to others- and Blayne has never really struck me as the revolutionary type.
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That said I will reiterate I am not defending the Cultural Revolution and I view it with disappointment as Mao's reputation would be easily salvageable without it.
It's kind of like how my reputation would be easily salvageable if my regime hadn't resulted in the tragic and unnecessary deaths of multiple millions of people due to my disastrously incompetent rule. But because I'm one of the worst butchers in history, it's only difficultly salvageable.
Life's so unfair that way.
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To paraphrase the Prime Minister of Singapore:
"If Mao died after 1952 he would have been considered a God beyond rapproch, had he died after 1960 he would have been seen as a Great man who made some mistakes, now that he has died after 1979 who knows?"
Heh. 'Who knows?' Well, some people know that if you've got a death toll attributed to your policies in the dozens of millions, you screwed up pretty badly and were a crappy leader.
Some people don't seem to know that, though.
If Hitler had died in 1920 he would have been known as a vegetarian amateur artist. One who by all appearances had nothing against Jews either, I might add.
If Shakespeare had died at the age of 30, he would have been known as a local actor.
If Reagan had died in 1960, he would have been known as a B list actor.
If Osama Bin Laden had died at the age of 25, he would have been known as an oil baron's son with unusually conservative politics.
But these people all lived long enough to show the world what they were capable of becoming.
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Ah... You missed: If Jesus had died at 30 he would have been known as a carpenter's son with a slightly off-kilter mom (virgin birth? yeah, right).
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The GLF deaths only happened in a relatively short period of time 4-5 years probably less I don't know off the top of my head, so moment in time and would be forgotten in time.
Quite so. How long were the death camps running in Poland? Only a few years. They'll be forgotten in time, and Hitler's legacy will recover from this minor blemish.
I'd think that the economic problems with the Soviet Union are not so simple as to be simplified into a single sentence, it worked perfectly fine when at war, efficiently as well.
No. The Soviet economy in wartime was effective, that is, it produced a lot of dang tanks. That is not the same as being efficient, producing many tanks per man-hour of labour and kilo of steel.
Blayne and/or BlackBlade:
You may find the trailer for Founding amusing, albeit for different reasons.
As far as history goes, likely to be on the level of U-571 or Pearl Harbour. But as far as mass celebrity cameos and pretty explosions, yep.
(I personally think the casting is even a bit subversive, but I don't think many people will feel the same way)


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There are plenty of unusual wedding traditions we could sift through… the bungee- jumping-loving couple yelling their "I Doooo!"s as they take the marital plunge (pun intended) hand-in-hand. We could also discuss the couple whose favorite pastime is bowling, using the slippery lane as the wedding aisle. But for now, I'd like to touch upon an interesting place to get married, mostly because of the fantastic photos it produces.
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a bit of everything: Oscar's visit to Blackwood.
Blackwood is only 20 minutes from Ballan, so it was a quick trip there to pick up a few things. It was very cold and wet, but we still had to go.
On our arrival we let Oscar out of the car to 'explore'.... this is where he and Pokey chased lizards nearly every weekend and after doing that all day long they were exhausted, so they lazed in front of the fire with Zac (Janines dog).
above: Zac, Oscar and Pokey at Blackwood on March 13 2005.
But we watched Oscar running around, sniffing here and there and we wondered how much he remembered of previous visits so many years ago?
above: Pokey and Oscar looking for lizards in January 2007 at Blackwood.
His nose was "working overtime" while there, did he know where he was? Can he remember Pokey or Zac at all?
We are happy we got to take him to Blackwood again.
He has settled in at Ballan very well, he is still on medication three times a day and sometimes has difficulty breathing, but overall he seems to be happy. The vet says he is in no pain, but to just watch him closely.
We had a 'doggie door' installed into the laundry door on Thursday and already he uses it. We thought it might take a week or two for him to get used to something so 'new'. But with a little encouragement he was in and out of it within the first hour and now takes himself outside when ever he needs to.
We are happy that he got to "come home" and also that he has now been to Blackwood as well.
No one knows what tomorrow will bring, but with loads of love and care, we hope he is with us for sometime yet!


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FAQ: Why does my bully drool so much?
Thread: FAQ: Why does my bully drool so much?
It's true that all dogs drool, but the bulldog seems to have it worse than most dogs. Bulldogs drool because of the size of their face and all of the loose skin that hangs off their face. The more loose skin they have, the more they drool. There isn't enough solid skin to hold the drool inside their mouth.Anytime they have anything to drink, they are going to drool and there really isn't any way to prevent it. A lot of people will dry their bullies mouth after they drink to lessen the chance of them getting a rash, which is common with bulldogs. In short besides wiping off your bulldogs mouth after each drink they're going to drool. Some people find this trait quite endearing. How do you deal with drool?
Re: FAQ: Why does my bully drool so much?
Banks loves to 'take' the bowl of water with her so I just keep a towel on the floor next to the bowl and wipe the floor as she walks away.
Dozer and Blossom don't drool too much, but when they drink water they will leave a puddle. We use a pet water cooler with a filter in it for their drinking water, and I have a rubber mat under it to collect the water that gets spilled. I use paper towel and baby wipes for their face when needed.
I have had many breed of dogs, and one way or another-when they drank, they got the floor wet. It's no big deal to me until I slip on it-so I will wipe it up. Since I am a "senior" and I don't mean in college! I am a little more careful-but I fall alot -not due to drool. They don't really drool any other time. Hey babies drool-these are My babies now!


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Wesner: How a little catfish started a public notice discussion
The frecklebelly madtom is a small catfish that inhabits waterways in several southern states. In November, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service announced that it considered the fish endangered and began a public inquiry to formalize its status.
The problem: except for the fish, which probably already knew it was endangered, few know that the little creature is in trouble. That is because the FWS notice appeared only in the obscure Federal Register. The Register is great reading for insomniac lawyers, but not many others.
The federal government has been increasingly relying upon its own little-known websites and ponderous federal tomes to let the public know what is going on. Twenty years ago, much more of the agencies' business reached the public through newspaper public notices. Today, federal notices are as endangered as the little catfish. But the agency did hint that it still realized newspapers were valuable to the endangered species mission: it suggested that if it decided to hold a hearing on the madtom's future, it would notify local newspapers. Presumably, it hopes to get a press release into some local newspapers — for free.
NNA's Chair Brett Wesner, president of Wesner Publications, Cordell, Oklahoma, seized on the threatened catfish's future to join with partners Alabama Press Association and Public Notice Resource Center to tell the FWS know how to let the public in on the secret about the endangered frecklebelly madtom.
The newspaper groups commented to FWS:
"Should you determine that a public hearing on behalf of the madtom is needed, the way to reach the public is with a paid public notice in the newspapers around the Upper Coosa river region. It is not enough to send a generalized press release to media outlets in this troubled time. The pages of newspapers are tightened by COVID-19 related losses of advertising. They may not have the space to provide the federal government to alert the public to your request for information about the madtom unless you reserve it through public notice placements.
Moreover, even in thriving times, the government should observe the tenets of sound public policy notices. Notices should be accessible, verifiable, archived for later research and published at the government's directions in outlets independent of the government or any stakeholder in this discussion. These are time-honored principles in proper due process. No doubt, you are aware that readership by the general public of the Federal Register is extremely limited. It is no way to recruit the public input you want. There are six very good newspapers in the region that would be delighted to help you." The groups provided contact information for Alabama Press Association's ad placement services.
Wesner said that as newspapers are laden with immediate survival concerns, spending half a morning organizing the industry to discuss an Alabama fish might seem strange.
"But this shrinking public notice is like a creeping cancer on our democracy. The feds seem to have made up their minds that the curious public is going to spend time sifting through thousands of Federal Register notices each day to figure out what is going on. It has forgotten that the public overwhelmingly says it expects public notices to be in newspapers and on newspaper websites," Wesner said. "It is no wonder people are distrustful of government."
"NNA is on a mission. We are reaching out to agencies and Congress to remind them that we are here. We can carry out the four critical missions of public notice: accessibility, verification, archivability and independence. Except for finding old Federal Registers in the National Archives, should you feel like going on a fishing expedition in search of this catfish, you aren't going to find the agency publications in compliance on the best practices of public notice. So, yes, we are focused on the little fish. We are devoted to transparency. And if the fish is saved along our journey, all the better," he said.
Tonda Rush is the director of public policy and serves as general counsel to the National Newspaper Association. Email her at tonda@nna.org
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Pete Buttigieg wants to negotiate a 'peace deal' between Chick-fil-A & LGBTQ people
Here are our conditions: The fast food chain needs to stop giving money to groups that denigrate LGBTQ people and work to make our lives harder.
By Bil Browning Wednesday, March 27, 2019
Photo: Truth Wins Out
Out presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg says he would like to broker a "peace deal" between the notoriously homophobic fast food chain Chick-fil-A and the LGBTQ community.
During an interview on the hip-hop radio show The Breakfast Club, Buttigieg stressed his ability to bring people together – and used Chick-fil-A as an example.
"I do not approve of their politics, but I kind of approve of their chicken," he told the hosts. "Maybe, if nothing else, I can build that bridge. Maybe I'll become in a position to broker that peace deal."
"We've got to find a way to use our identities to reach other people," Buttigieg said. "What can we talk about that brings us together?"
Related: Chick-fil-A gave over $1.8 million to anti-LGBTQ groups according to recent tax returns
"Because I have no clue what it's like to walk in the shoes of so many other people. But I can talk about some of the pieces of what I carry with me and see if it rhymes with their life experience."
"Good art has that. Good music has that. Good literature has that," he said.
"Good chicken sandwiches," cohost Charlamagne tha God quipped in response.
The fast food chain has come under fire again after it was revealed they have continued to donate millions of dollars to anti-LGBTQ organizations despite promising to avoid donating to groups with "political agendas."
CEO Dan Cathy told a newspaper in 2012 that the company was "guilty as charged" of making anti-LGBTQ donations and said that marriage equality proponents "have the audacity to define what marriage is about" and were "inviting God's judgment on our nation."
Chick-fil-a has spent years trying to downplay these donations, saying that they "will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation" and that the company's charity arm "is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas."
Earlier this week, the San Antonio city council voted against allowing Chick-fil-A to open a franchise in the local airport due to the ongoing donations.
The little known out gay mayor of South Bend, Indiana, Buttigieg has surged in popularity lately, now coming in third in Iowa polling, just behind former Vice President Joe Biden and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.
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NorthStar Realty Europe Corp. announces today that long-term tenant Deloitte has agreed to renew its lease at the landmark , signaling its long-term commitment to the building. With 38,000 sqm over 44 floors, Maastoren is the tallest office tower in the Netherlands. Deloitte, who has been a tenant at the building since 2010 occupies approximately 60% of the building.
As part of the lease agreement, Northstar Realty Europe will enhance the building with a number of design and improvement initiatives. These include a new entranceway and reception facility on the ground floor.
Mahbod Nia, Northstar's Chief Executive Officer, commented: "We are very pleased to announce lease renewal at the Maastoren building in . commitment is affirmation of the building's excellent facilities and location on Kop van Zuid."
Tenant Deloitte was advised by CBRE. Savills advised the landlord NorthStar Realty Europe on the lease extension and renovation plans and is also responsible for property management.
This press release was distributed by NorthStar Realty Europe.


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U-Haul is essentially the inventor of the DIY move. The company dates back to 1945 and is most famously known for those orange moving vans and trucks you see on the streets. Over the years, other players have come to the industry thanks largely to the conveniences of online booking and online quotes that are obtainable in mere seconds. Now, with the advent of moving container companies such as PODS, U-Haul has pushed themselves into the storage business. Enter "U-Box", one of the company's newer offerings.
In general, moving containers are the more expensive choice for those with bigger homes (read: lots of stuff), and U-Box is no exception. But anyone intimidated by driving one of those big trucks can avoid that hassle all together; U-Box will have a driver deliver the boxes, pick them up and ship them to wherever you are moving. If you're brave enough to haul the boxes yourself, you can also go that route.
The boxes themselves come in only one size, differing from the competition, and could make it more difficult to fit all your stuff. On the bright side, you can order more boxes than you need and return the ones you didn't end up using, free of charge. The moving containers are made of treated plywood and delivered with a cover that promises to be sturdy and weatherproof, although we did not get to try them out in harsh weather for ourselves.
For the purpose of this guide, I planned a long distance move (1,100 miles) from a three-bedroom home from Fort Lee, NJ (New York City area) to Kissimmee, FL (Orlando area), because those are two destinations with which I'm familiar.
In addition, my parents are moving from Fort Lee, NJ to Ridgefield Park, NJ, so I'll write about the company's local move services too. I ordered the moving containers during the busy season for movers (late spring to early summer). I completed the order, then later canceled it. By keeping the particulars of the move roughly the same for each order, I've made it possible for you to more easily compare companies and services.
The quotes I received for the long-distance move are based on this info above.
Now here are the particulars of my parent's move: They also live in a three-bedroom home, and their apartment mirrors mine with a similar amount of furniture, except they also have an additional room in the basement, a sun room above that additional room (filled with items, such as dishes, holiday decorations, and other odds and ends) and a garage with tools and some landscaping equipment. The quotes I received for the local move are based on all this information.
Prices vary based on the distance the truck must travel and the number of containers you will need. But the estimates I received for these two moving journeys should give you an idea of what you can expect.
First, U-Box breaks down the fees with one price for moving containers and one price for shipping. You add the two prices and any extras (such as insurance and tax) to come up with your grand total. I could have made the move cheaper by hauling the boxes in a truck myself, or loading and unloading my stuff at U-Haul's facilities without having had anyone drive to me. But big trucks scare me, so I'm never going to agree to do the driving. Plus, for many people the point of moving containers are to have someone else do the driving. If you get the containers, I suggest getting help from reliable, local movers you find on Hire A Helper. That way,you've hacked a full-service move at a fraction of the cost. Kudos to you.
Keep in mind that the prices, aside from shipping, are given "per month", because you can store stuff in them for lengthy periods of time.
The five moving containers, each with two dozen furniture pads, cost $924.75 per month, and was the same for my parents' five containers on their local move too. I also found out you can order more containers than you think you'll need because they will reimburse you for any container you return empty.
I sprung for the most affordable insurance option, which cost $60 per month and covered up to $1,000. (It's $12 per box, per month.) The truck delivery costs $99. To move all that stuff from Fort Lee, N.J. to Kissimmee, Fla., U-Box charges $3,289. This includes delivery to my door in New Jersey and to my door in Florida. My credit card was charged five days before the scheduled delivery in Florida.
For the local move of a house of the same size, I would have been charged the same amount as the long distance move for the five moving containers - $924.75, which includes two dozen furniture pads per container. For $60 per month, my parents could receive the same $1,000 worth of insurance coverage. Their grand total came to $1,193.14, including shipping from Fort Lee to Ridgefield Park.
While many moving container companies boast that you can take as long as you want to load and unload your stuff, you really can't, unless you want to spend a small fortune for storage. These are monthly charges, so you'll pay nearly $1,000 for those boxes per month that you have them. By booking in advance, I locked in the price with the "low price guarantee," which means the company cannot end up charging me more for additional fuel or hotel stays should the driver ring up that kind of stuff, all according to the website and the customer service reps. Also, if U-Box fails to arrive on the agreed upon guaranteed delivery date, they will pay you $50 for each day your stuff is late, according to my emailed contract.
In general, moving containers are a good fit for those who live in smaller spaces, don't want to drive a giant truck, or need storage between moves or because they are downsizing.
If you're planning to move this stuff quickly and have a larger home – and you're not downsizing – these moving containers are a pricier option compared to the competition. Also, for the purposes of this fake move, I went with the more affordable insurance. But if I was really entrusting the company with the likes of my giant China cabinet and much of its contents, I might want to chip in a few more dollars for more coverage, especially after seeing the photos of those plywood containers and those "weatherproof" covers which did not garner as much confidence in me as the competition.
U-Box is part of U-Haul, which has a long legacy of customer outreach and success in the moving industry. There's something appealing about choosing a brand you know. That orange and white logo, the one you see up and down highways near you wherever you are, is psychologically reassuring.
You don't have to drive – not ever.
If you hate the idea of maneuvering one of those ginormous trucks by yourself or hitching those containers to your own vehicle, you don't have to do it. U-Haul does the driving for you. All you have to worry about is the packing, and the U-Box website offers information (including a video) on how to best store your stuff in the container.
Order extra containers without the fear of being charged.
The biggest U-Haul trucks can fit five moving containers on them at one time. When I called customer service to get an estimate and ultimately make my order, the woman on the line recommended the full five containers for a house of my size. This was the same response I received from the online estimator tool. She reminded me that if I did not fill the fifth box, I would be able to return it empty and get my money back for it. Sweet!
The convenience of the cancellation policy gets an A+.
You have up to the moving day to make changes to your order or cancel it without losing any money. As long as you call within 24 hours, you shouldn't have to pay a dime, according to customer service via phone.
You can track your U-Box online.
Knowing where my stuff is at all times? Yes, please.
Yes, U-Haul is the creator of the DIY move, but they were a little late to the moving containers game. You can really tell U-Box is more of a newbie by comparison, and this division of the company is still finding its way.
The biggest problem is the price (if you have a larger home).
You can't beat the convenience of moving containers, since you can keep your stuff in storage for as long as you need (at a price, of course). Plus, you don't necessarily have to drive them yourself. But they remain the costliest option for families with larger homes. I think my son's toys and bedroom set alone would probably take up a full container, if not two. I can hear the cash register ringing in my head right now. Oy!
U-Box moving containers don't match up to the competition.
The photos and description of them concern me. For starters, unlike competitors, U-Box only offers containers in one size (instead of small, medium and large). The U-Box containers are 96" x 60" x 90" (LxWxH) or 257 cubic feet. One customer service rep. told me she believes a king-size mattress, headboard and footboard fit into one U-Box. PODS, for example, offers small, medium and large containers, and the biggest ones are 16 feet long and can fit the contents of three to four rooms.
While size is a concern, it was not the only one. The U-Box containers are made of treated plywood and come with a "weatherproof" cover. Both the description and the photos make me think my stuff would be at risk to the elements and maybe even jostling in transit. In my fantasy move, I was heading to Florida in late spring/early summer where there is torrential downpour on a regular basis. I can picture the wet couch now.
I confirmed my fears are somewhat warranted when I read a review of U-Box on The Truth about Cars (TTAC) blog, which was written by Mark Stevenson, who used the service to move from Nova Scotia to Oshawa, Ontario in Canada in the summer 2016. If you visit the post, you'll see a photo of a busted U-Box. "The U-Box had separated from itself. The only thing holding it together was some adhesive. No screws. No clamps. No hardware of any kind was used to keep the mainly plywood structure together," wrote Stevenson. "This is what we'd be using to protect all of our things, yet it could barely hold itself together." In fairness, U-Box did send over a representative, who fixed the box with screws, so the move could proceed.
Another blogger Ed Blood wrote about his experience moving from south Florida to central New Hampshire. He adds that the boxes were poor quality. The locks had completely broken by the time he reached his destination, and they seemed to lean at different times, according to the review. "The quality of the box is not great and the only reason some of my things were not weather damaged was because they kept it in a trailer or covered in a plastic tarp (designed to fit on the U-Boxes," writes Blood. In many forum discussions about moving containers, you'll see echoes of these opinions. Some people seem willing to put up with the inferior quality because of the cheaper price point, especially if they are moving locally and their stuff won't be in the box for long.
Awful online customer service was a real turn off.
If I had not been doing this as a consumer reporter for all of you, I probably never would have passed "go" with U-Box. My initial contact with the company was disappointing. I sought information about U-Box through the online chat, which is your first and best option when you click on "Contact Us." It took 20 minutes – you read that correctly – for someone to respond. I've never had it take that long with any online chat customer service! Then, as soon as I mentioned U-Box, I received this message, "Due to the complexity of U-Box quotes and various delivery options, U-Box chat specialists are unable to quote rates. Please obtain a quote using the online U-Box system at www.ubox.com or call 877-468-4285." I tried to ask about something other than price, and I still got booted to another form of customer service. Annoying, to say the least.
On the other hand, the phone customer service was more readily available and much friendlier. But I mentioned that I wanted delivery to both the home of origin and the end destination at the start of the call. I believed the prices for both moves included that. But when I carefully read over the order in my email, there was no mention of delivery to either final destination. I had to call again to learn that it would cost an additional $129 for the Florida delivery, then an additional $99 for the New Jersey delivery. And the rep could not even confirm the latter additional charge because the mothership was unresponsive. (She said she was going to have to email me later.) I still did not get a response the morning afterward. I'm not even sure she actually recorded my desire for the deliveries because I received no email updating the contract either. Ugh!
The unexpected change of venue can be a problem.
Picking up your stuff or loading it at the U-Haul facility is one way to bring down the price. If you pick up your things or load them there, you are not charged for the truck or delivery. The only problem is that you may sign up for one facility, then end up with another. This happened to me.
I requested a nearby New Jersey facility for both the local and long-distance moves. But when I received my final documents after I had given the company my credit card number, I learned that the starting facility for both moves would be in the Bronx in New York. While that's a short distance from my home in New Jersey, it requires going over the George Washington Bridge, which costs $20 in tolls every time you pass it, plus the inconvenience of facing ever present traffic on the Cross Bronx Expressway. I'm not even going through with this move and I'm already aggravated.
To start, you have no coverage, which is news to some people because many companies build into their prices some amount of insurance. Still, you can purchase coverage, which is recommended - especially if you have valuables. Most homeowners or renters insurance only covers your stuff while the boxes are on your property, according to the U-Box website. Thus, you'll want to get something to protect it in transit. You can purchase the Safestor insurance from your delivery driver or when you make the original reservation. For $12 per month, you can get coverage for up to $1,000. For $40 a month, you can get coverage of up to $20,000. The "best value," according to U-Box, is $18 per month for $5,000 of coverage.
"Safestor mobile storage insurance protects you in case of loss or damage to your goods as a result of many perils," reads the website. "Damage caused by improper packing, shifting during transit or intentional acts are not covered."
Of course, it does not cover money, credit cards, important documents, such as deeds, art, collectibles or anything valuable like antiques. You should not place those items in a U-Box. Your best bet is to hang onto that stuff and move it all yourself, so you know it's in safe hands.
U-Haul is an American icon. Truly, you can't escape those orange and white trucks. Even though U-Box is relatively new to the moving containers space, it lies on the shoulders of an established company with more than 15,000 locations in the United States and Canada. It has locations in all 50 states and in 10 Canadian provinces.) U-Haul rental truck representatives have told HireAHelper in the past that the trucks in its fleet are never older than five years old.
Born of necessity, U-Haul was the brainchild of L.S. "Sam" Shoen and his wife, Anna Mary Carty Shoen. The two had to make a big move and could not fit all their stuff in the car. They ended up leaving much of it behind. It turns out they weren't the only ones on the move in need of a bigger truck for carrying belongings. The year was 1945, and military men were coming back from war ready to start over in new places. The Shoens came up with the rental truck idea and eventually it took off. U-Box is one of its newer offerings and comes in response to the industry trend of moving containers, such as PODS.
Hollywood has reached out to U-Haul. It actually has a product placement service to help movie and TV producers place the orange and white logo in their works. You can see U-Haul in "Knocked Up", "The Amazing Spider-Man" and "Wild Hogs", among many others.
But the company offers more than a few laughs. It also has always supported the military due to the fact that one of its founders was a veteran. And it provides charitable work and donations to numerous good causes. It's also often doing its part for the environment, including donating more than $300,000 to Tree Canada, an organization dedicated to planting trees in Canada.
You can ship your filled U-Box just about anywhere in the world, according to the company website. In fact, U-Box claims to be the only moving container company to take the stress away from coordinating the shipment of your stuff overseas.
U-Haul manager at the Old Hickory blvd facility in Jackson Tn. was totally worthless. Cost me 2 extra hours of movers time($280),and took his time like he had all day,but i didn't. His fork lift ran out of propane after moving only 1 box to the door. Took his man 2 hours to get another one there,leaving my movers standing around for the first 2 hours($380),they stayed another 2 hours to help at a cost of another $280 to me.($140 an hour after the first 2 hours). He was slow ,lazy,and argumentative. I'd give U-Haul another chance,but never through him.
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Congratulations to loanee Callum Lang who has won the Spindles Town Square Shopping Centre Player of the Month for November.
The forward was in fine form in November scoring a number of crucial goals including the winner in Latics' Emirates FA Cup First Round match against Hampton & Richmond Borough.
Lang won with 47% of the fans' vote ahead of Gevaro Nepomuceno (27%) and Rob Hunt (26%).
Congratulations, Callum!
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We're happy to share that our friends at Arts Professional have published a case study, written by Aesop Chief Executive and Founder Tim Joss, that focuses on our Dance to Health programme and the lessons we have learnt so far from devising and managing an arts and health programme.
Dance to Health was also featured this month (October 2018) on BBC Inside Out North West. You can now watch the report on BBC iPlayer (watch from 10 minutes, 50 seconds) – watch online. It offers a real insight into how Dance to Health actually works and the benefits for participants. We would like to offer a big thank you to everyone who took part and to the team at BBC Inside Out North West who have produced a great report about our Dance to Health programme in Cheshire.


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This Project has been generated in Universidad de La Salle Bajío, agronomy school and developed in a combinatory effort among Universidad de La Salle Bajio and the Unit of Andvanced Genomics CINVESTAV Campus Irapuato. The project was financially supported by this two institutions and the ¨Jóvenes Investigadores¨ research fellowship granted by the Secretaría de Innovación, Ciencia y Educación Superior (SICES) of Guanajuato. In the above tab "Blast search¨ you can paste the sequences to find protein-coding transcripts of orthologues in the RNAseq transcriptome of Agave salmiana. This website is linked to the puplication in preparation:
A Deep Look into Agave salmiana callus Transcriptional Program Authors: Cervantes-Pérez, Sergio Alan; Espinal-Centeno, Annie; Oropeza-Aburto, Araceli; Caballero-Pérez, Juan; Falcón-Chávez, Francisco; Aragón-Raygoza Alejandro; Herrera-Estrella, Luis; Sánchez-Segura, Lino; Cruz-Hernández, Andrés and Cruz-Ramírez, Alfredo*.
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December 18, 2010 -- Sheriff Richard Mack came to Maine to speak to law enforcement officers about being a constitutional sheriff. He spoke for a couple of hours to law enforcement officers and then, after a couple of hours' break, he spoke to a large crowd of regular old citizens.
I caught up with him between those engagements where I had the chance to talk to him for a second time about his principles and his win at the United States Supreme Court.
In this interview, he discussed the unconstitutionality of traffic quotas, confiscation of vehicles without due process, ex-offenders and guns, ex post facto gun laws, the shooting at Virginia Tech and the abridgment of rights as a result of that, and much, much more.
"We're writing tickets that are a violation of the Eighth Amendment, which says 'No excessive fines or bail.' Well, tickets are both excessive in the amount of tickets we write, and the amount of the fine. And so we are violating the Eighth Amendment, and vicariously we are also working for the insurance companies who profit a great deal from all these tickets…Funny all the things you run into when you start studying the Constitution."
"The only time that we can disallow, lawfully and correctly -- if you read what the founding fathers said about the Second Amendment -- those citizens, Samuel Adams said, who have proven not to be peaceable citizens then can be denied that right. But that only means someone who has proven to be a violent person. And if I stole a TV from Walmart when I was 18 -- 45 years ago -- that doesn't make any sense that I can't own a gun today."


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Parishes of Saint Kitts and Nevis
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