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212: Mötley Coüp
Posted on November 4, 2020 November 4, 2020 by Brett
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Overtired 212
[00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] It's mine. It's my week to do the intro. Welcome to overtired, uh, with Christina Warren and Brett Terpstra. How's it going, Christina?
[00:00:07] Christina: [00:00:07] Well, I am living up to the show's name. I am like very tired. I got like an hour and a half. Two hours of sleep.
[00:00:17]Brett: [00:00:17] Yeah, like I've, I've done that many times. Like I can relate to what mornings look like after two hours of sleep, but what's going on for you?
[00:00:26] Christina: [00:00:26] no, just insomnia.
[00:00:27] Brett: [00:00:27] Oh, no.
[00:00:28] Christina: [00:00:28] no just like insomnia and, and fear and dread over like the state of everything.
[00:00:35] Brett: [00:00:35] Yeah, no, I feel like, I feel like our mental health corner starts right here.
[00:00:39] Christina: [00:00:39] I, yeah, I was going to say like, we shouldn't even do any preambles. So for, uh, for listeners, we are recording this on a Tuesday morning at 7:30 AM. Pacific time, 10:30 AM Eastern. So
[00:00:54] Brett: [00:00:54] Live election coverage.
[00:00:56] Christina: [00:00:56] Yep. Yep. Um, I, uh, I see the New [00:01:00] York times has brought back the dam, um, button thing, like the, like the, um, to show, like, you know, like where things are.
[00:01:10] Uh, no, we don't. I have like genuine PTSD from the last election. And from that damn like, you know, uh, whatever that thing is called, like the. Uh, the, the gauge. Yeah, there we go. Meet her. Yes. The, the, the, the election meter, like from the New York times election meter, I was like mother fucker. Like I genuinely have like, like PTSD and I'm I not actual PTSD,
[00:01:38] Brett: [00:01:38] You'd be surprised actually.
[00:01:40] Christina: [00:01:40] all, all I was going to say though, but the thing is, is that I do have like a visceral, like, Actual like physical reaction to thinking back about where I was four years ago and what happened four years ago.
[00:01:52] Like, it's a very real thing. And so I'm like I'm being flipped, but I'm also kind of not. So [00:02:00] seeing them bring that election meter thing back, even for just a couple of States, I was like, no, no, no, you are not doing that New York times. No, you are not like, because I just go back to where I was. Four years ago in New York city watching happen.
[00:02:16] And I can still realize when it hit me and it hit me hours before. It, it hit a lot of other people, like, like grant was, was not where I was at. And it was like, I don't know. It was probably, honestly it was probably seven 30, eight o'clock. But I think that I, I sent out a tweet that, that, that like, like 8:30 PM.
[00:02:42] I remember this because business insider quoted it and like their election live blog thing or whatever. And I was like, I feel sick and. That was, you know, a good five hours before anything was like called. And, but, but I, it just, I could just see where it [00:03:00] was going. And I was like, I feel sick. just remember being in the Gawker offices and just watching and seeing everything and, and yeah,
[00:03:10] Brett: [00:03:10] 30 they had called Florida. If I recall correctly,
[00:03:14] Christina: [00:03:14] they were in the process. And that was the thing I think, I think actually that was
[00:03:18] Brett: [00:03:18] yeah, the path, the path to the electoral win had already pretty much been sealed by eight 30 or nine o'clock.
[00:03:24] Christina: [00:03:24] yeah, it wasn't like, I think they were still holding out that Florida could be, um, like, uh, you know, could go one way or another, but I think that it had, it had basically, you know, it was, it was at a point where it could be called and yeah, that was the thing for me. I think that was what had happened.
[00:03:41] They had just called Florida and I was like, Wow. You know, and, and, and that was when it was just kind of like starting to Dawn on me. And like I said, like other people that I was with both in the office and, you know, grant w we're like, no, no, no, it's fine. It's fine. And just, just seeing the mood [00:04:00] shift, I mean, that was the, the most just kind of.
[00:04:03] Bizarre thing. And it's not so much that everybody in the office was in the tank for Hillary. I'm not trying to like, be all like, like conspiracy there's Oh, you know, all New York media people were in the tank or whatever. And it's like, but you know, you think something's going to happen a certain way.
[00:04:16] And what had actually happened is his, and we were mad about this, bringing it up to this, but, um, uh Deadspin um, which, uh, you know, was a very good website. Uh, it is now run by zombie scabs, um, who are terrible and she'd feel bad, uh, because they are bad. Uh, but, but, but defector that, the site that all the people who were at Deadspin quit and, uh, who quit a year ago actually, and, and.
[00:04:42] Started it is quite good, but, um, some of the, the dudes had written like an article about like how everybody voted and a bunch of the men like. Proudly where, like, I didn't vote and a bunch of the women in the office, like, we were like mad at them. We were like, this is just like [00:05:00] reeks of privilege. And I go, it doesn't matter, you know, she's going to win anyway and whatnot.
[00:05:03] And like, honestly, yeah, for the state of New York, it wouldn't have mattered, but it was just like the, the fact that they didn't and then to see how things happened. Uh, there were lots and lots and lots of like, Dirty looks and like angry yells, um, throughout the next week in the office. But you know, there was this, this, this, this guy worked with, it was his first election.
[00:05:23] Um, because he, he was like about to turn 19 and just like seeing the look on his face as he was kind of realizing, you know, what happened. And it was just this, I'll never forget it because it was just this moment where, I mean, you know, I don't want to like, put like, I don't want to like, create an experience for him that wasn't accurate to him.
[00:05:44] But for me it felt like I was watching someone like lose their, their innocence, you know, like in real time. And. You know, we had this massive TV screen, um, in, in the office that was like in the theater area. It [00:06:00] was like this huge, huge, huge, um, Mike, uh, you know, projector thing. That was two stories tall and, and, and we were all just kind of gathered in, in Washington.
[00:06:08] Just, I was, I left at like one P 1:00 AM and, uh, um, it was just, uh, yeah, just worst night ever.
[00:06:18] Brett: [00:06:18] right. And so what you're describing is legitimately true. And I don't think that I'm not a psychiatrist obviously, but I don't think that PTSD is too crazy. A claim to make about what we all went through four years ago. Here's the thing about that meter is, and by the time this comes out tomorrow, everyone will be fully aware that we're not going to know who won today.
[00:06:44] There's every chance that by the end of today, it looks like Donald Trump won. It will be at least a week, if not a month before all of the mail and votes are counted. [00:07:00] And there is every chance that, uh, there will be a blue shift as those mail-in votes are counted. So it's going to be a tight race, but we're not going to know today and I'm not going to turn on my TV today.
[00:07:15] I'm not going to check the news today because. I don't want to be depressed. Seeing Donald Trump, you know, take the lead for any period of time.
[00:07:24] Christina: [00:07:24] Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, so I, I would, I would like, um, the New York times has a podcast called the daily and that I quite like, and they had an episode last week, um, or two weeks ago, like reliving the 2000 election. And I, um, I missed being able to vote in that election by like a week and a half or something.
[00:07:45] So I, I didn't vote in that election. And, um, but I remember like watching that and I remember, you know, like, I remember that whole thing about like the, the, the confusion of like going to bed, I think at one point, and it was, you know, [00:08:00] first it was called for Gore than it was called for, you know, then it was too close to call.
[00:08:05] Then it was called for Bush and core conceded. And then like I woke up and Gore was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like I don't concede and. That was actually his biggest mistake was that he conceded too early. And that was one of the like, genuinely, like, that was the thing that like beyond the Supreme court stuff and whatnot, like there was, you know, this whole like Brooks brothers, uh, like, uh, um, uh, you know, like riot riot or whatever.
[00:08:29] And, uh, the Roger Stone led and all this stuff. And, but the big thing is that he conceded too early and it made him look like a sore loser. And so. A unless like, unless the numbers are just so skewed that there's no way that he could like. Unless Biden, like it's such a blow out that there's no way that, that there's no path to victory.
[00:08:53] Trump is not going to come in and concede. And, and by the same token, like, I really, I hope that [00:09:00] everybody on Biden's team like remembers that lesson from 20 years ago, which is no matter what happens. Like you cannot like the concede tonight. Like there's, there's no way like, like, even if you think that there's no possible way for it to work out, like.
[00:09:17] This is, this is not the time to like be gentlemen Lee, because a you're not going against a competitor who is, uh, is going to give you equal, um, respect and be, as you said, we just don't know. So, so what is your, what is your plan
[00:09:37] Brett: [00:09:37] my, my plan for tonight,
[00:09:40] Christina: [00:09:40] Yeah.
[00:09:41] Brett: [00:09:41] I'm going to watch Frasier, uh, and ignore like everything, because what, like what, what I'm waiting for is the coup. I'm waiting for, uh, for it to look like Trump is ahead tonight. And then for Trump to make every effort to [00:10:00] end the count, uh, to, to fight, uh, all mail in ballots to try to cancel out all of the we'll call them pandemic votes, because, uh, that's when that's, when the election will be rigged.
[00:10:16] And when that happens, that's when we have to start considering protests, we have to start considering rolling strikes. We have to start really fighting for democracy because like never before it hangs in the balance.
[00:10:31] And if, if Trump tries to do anything, to make sure that every vote isn't counted. Like, this is, this is a call to action. And I don't get to pretend that I'm too old for this shit anymore. So I'm gearing up. So tonight I watched Frasier tonight, I take it easy and mentally prepare for a coup
[00:10:53]Christina: [00:10:53] yeah, my neighborhood's since, you know, June four. And, and I, I'm not like opposed [00:11:00] I'm opposed to the, to the white people and Arcus bullshit, but I'm not opposed to like the protests and stuff in general. But like, my neighborhood has been like a protest zone since June. And, um, I don't even, I can't even imagine what it's going to be like tonight, honestly, like.
[00:11:16] Um, so, cause I live, you know, near the, the chop or the Chaz or, or whatever you want to call it. Like, I don't live in it, but I live like a couple blocks from it. Um, and uh, the people who in my apartment complex are actually suing the city over it. And, uh, anyway, you know, so there's, uh, which honestly fair because the, the city was so incompetent with the whole thing.
[00:11:40] That's a whole other issue, but, um, like. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in downtown Seattle tonight, because I have a feeling that is it's going to be crazy, like one way or the other, you know what I mean? Like, because as you said, I'm, I'm kind of waiting [00:12:00] for AI again, like, unless it was just a total blowout and he doesn't have anybody who expect, you know what I mean?
[00:12:07] Like, and even if it is a total blowout, I'm not expecting Trump to concede. Um, but. You know, unless I were to happen where it was like, it made people like, like confident, like, okay, this is how this is going to happen. Like there's going to be, they're going to be riots is all I'm saying. And like one way or another like, period and, um, just kind of preparing for that.
[00:12:28] Brett: [00:12:28] So do you have any special outfits planned for the civil war?
[00:12:31] Christina: [00:12:31] yeah. Um, well, I I've spent, I've spent a lot of money on Supreme during the pandemic, so I guess that
[00:12:40] Brett: [00:12:40] is Supreme.
[00:12:42] Christina: [00:12:42] Supreme is very, very overpriced, but well overpriced because you have to pay, uh, for, from scalpers. Um, but they're a skateboard kind of shop, um, and streetwear company and they do, they do drops like every Thursday.
[00:12:58] But the thing is, is that they [00:13:00] sell out of their drops, like immediately and then scalpers charge two, three, four times as much for their stuff. So it's just like street wear stuff. So. Uh, I have, uh, I I've I've um, I have a lot of Supreme stuff and so I, I guess like the revolution will be Supreme, uh, outfitted in that,
[00:13:20] Brett: [00:13:20] you have so much more money than I do. You have so much money. I'm surprised you're not a Republican. That's a joke. I'm joking. How dare you?
[00:13:30] Christina: [00:13:30] Seriously. I mean, well, the irony with all of that, right, is that, is that I talked to, I don't talk to, because I don't go on Facebook, but I see people on Facebook who are people that like, I went to college with, uh, or, or high school with who are talking about taxes and this and that, and are, you know, are Republicans and whatnot and, and, and they're going on and on about all this shit.
[00:13:51] And I'm like, I pay more in taxes than you make. Like. And I'm still a Democrat, like fuck off. [00:14:00] Like I'm like, I'm, I'm, you know, uh, I'm not in to be clear. I am not in that. Like, I personally make $400,000 a year category that, you know, the, the Joe Biden has this, this, this I'm not there, but I'm like, eh, I certainly, um, I make a lot more than I made four years ago.
[00:14:20] That that's absolutely true. And I pay a whole lot more in taxes than, um, a lot of people who like. I grew up with who were complaining about stuff. I'm like, I'm like shut up. Like I'm in like the top. And the problem is, is that I make enough money where I don't like, I make enough money that I pay a lot in taxes, which I'm completely fine with, but I don't make so much money that I can like be part of the tax shelters.
[00:14:45] You know what I mean? Like, so it's like that weird middle zone where it's like, Oh no, you're the person who like, actually like. Pays and then some, and that's fine. I'm, I'm not like in any way mad about that. Uh, it is what it is. And, and, [00:15:00] uh, my only if I could bitch about anything with that, it's that I wish that all the, the fact that, you know, the large percentage of my income that I pay in taxes, I wish that that meant that we had a social safety net for everyone.
[00:15:13] Right. Like that would be that, that's the only thing that bothers me. Right. It's like, okay, like, You know, people like me and my, my big tech ilk pay a lot of money in taxes, which is fine, but we still don't have national healthcare. And we still have people who don't have a safety net and we still have seniors who feel like they can't retire.
[00:15:34] And we still have, you know, people who are on the poverty line and we still have like other really fucked up situations. And like, that's, that's where I'd become like frustrated. I'm like, okay. You know, like, There, there is a big sector, not big, but a not small sector of people who are putting a lot into this.
[00:15:54] And we still don't have these programs if we would just spend our money the right way on things like [00:16:00] universal healthcare. Because I would just like to think that for like my by 35% or whatever the hell my rate is, like, it would be nice if everybody had healthcare.
[00:16:10] Brett: [00:16:10] Yeah, well, that's, that's the thing. We, the tax rate on the wealthy has gone from. Uh, over the course of the last a hundred years, gone from like over 70% down to like what, like 15, 20% now. And you would think if trickle down economics worked,
[00:16:32] Christina: [00:16:32] right.
[00:16:33] Brett: [00:16:33] if that worked, we would, we would all be taken care of and the economy would be, uh, working for the poor.
[00:16:42] It would be working for a middle class, but the middle class has consistently shrunk every time we lower taxes on the upper class, so.
[00:16:53] Christina: [00:16:53] thing, right? Because like, technically, like I'm upper middle class. Like I'm not in the 1%, I'm not
[00:16:59] Brett: [00:16:59] Sure. [00:17:00] Yeah.
[00:17:00] Christina: [00:17:00] in the 3%. Like I'm in like the upper middle class thing, but like that, you know, I'm, I'm like what my parents were and, um, Yeah, like it gets smaller and smaller and smaller.
[00:17:11] And th th th the thing is depending on where you live. Okay. Uh, it's a little bit different now because of the pandemic and stuff and, and housing prices and rent prices are actually insanely in a weird state, like in San Francisco. But even that said, like making what I make, if I lived in San Francisco, I would actually get a raise.
[00:17:31] Um, like Microsoft would
[00:17:33] Brett: [00:17:33] Sure. Yeah.
[00:17:34] Christina: [00:17:34] because costs of even though the cost of living, isn't actually that much higher. If I lived in San Francisco or in New York, my salary, my base salary would be higher. And the thing is, is that when I made, you know, $115,000 a year living in New York city, that was like, okay, I can pay my rent and I can pay my taxes and I can like do other stuff.
[00:17:57] And I maybe have [00:18:00] $400 left at the end of the, the month.
[00:18:02] Brett: [00:18:02] AOL offered to double my salary if I would move to San Francisco. Um, and I was making six figures to start with, so it was a significant increase, but when I did the math, the difference, even with a double salary,
[00:18:19] Christina: [00:18:19] Was still you were going to be losing
[00:18:22] Brett: [00:18:22] Yeah, I still would have had less disposable income
[00:18:26] Christina: [00:18:26] totally. Well, yeah.
[00:18:29] Brett: [00:18:29] it just, it wasn't worth it. I, I actually, I like it in Minnesota, but the number one thing that I've come to appreciate, uh, is how cheap it is to live here.
[00:18:41] Christina: [00:18:41] Yeah. I mean, cause that's the thing, right? Is that it's like, I make a lot of money, but I still don't own a house and I'm still not in a position to buy a house, like period. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's one of those things it's like, okay. It like. If okay. If I had spent, if I'd spent my whole career working for like a big tech company.
[00:19:00] [00:19:00] Being the age that I am, I could absolutely afford to buy a house, but I didn't. Right. So it was like, okay, I've got, I've got three years of this. So it was like, okay, I have, you know, decent savings and I could buy a house in the suburbs, maybe. Um, although even that would be like hard. And, um, but otherwise it's like, no, cause you know, you need like a 20% down payment and you need other stuff.
[00:19:22] And it's like, I don't have that kind of money. Like,
[00:19:26] Brett: [00:19:26] See here, here. I can get a nice house, not a mansion, but a nice house for less than one year salary that they were going to pay me. And in San Francisco, I mean, you can get a decent house for right around 200.
[00:19:41] Christina: [00:19:41] right. See, the thing is, and I would need 200 as a down payment.
[00:19:44] Brett: [00:19:44] I know. I know. I looked into it. It's insane. And when I, when I did the calculations, that was just me living in an apartment.
[00:19:52] Christina: [00:19:52] exactly.
[00:19:53] Brett: [00:19:53] there was no chance of home ownership on that salary.
[00:19:57] Christina: [00:19:57] No, not even remotely close. I mean, and that's the [00:20:00] thing is it's this it's like, and, and that's the thing too, is that it's like, yeah. Okay. A lot of the big tech companies, like we're very blessed and I'm in no way complaining because we are so much better off than so many other people, uh, globally. And, and it it's, it's not a complaint, but it is one of those things it's like, okay, if you don't live in the Midwest or someplace that has affordable housing, Then even that said, you are in your thirties, like me and you're making, you know, a good six figure income and you can't afford to be a homeowner.
[00:20:31] Like your, your options for that are to go to the suburbs, to rent or to start really young and put money away. So that by the time you've been at it for 15 years, then you can, you can do
[00:20:45] Brett: [00:20:45] Yeah, but, but you starting really young these days. Isn't an option anymore. Like are, are starting with millennials and on people aren't making enough to save them.
[00:20:58] Christina: [00:20:58] No. I agree. Well, what I mean though, is [00:21:00] like, if you were hired out of college at like Amazon or Microsoft or Google or something, and that's what I mean. Right. So, whereas whereas no, to be completely clear, like, yeah. I mean, I, I'm not alone in this and that, like if you're a coastal person yeah. And you work at a big company.
[00:21:16] Like always talk about that. People are like, Oh, you have all this money. I'm like, I'm bad with my money in the sense that I don't have any debt, but like I buy stupid shit. Like I buy vinyl and I buy stuff from Supreme because what else am I supposed to do with it? I can't buy a house. I can't buy property.
[00:21:31] Like I could. Yeah. But, you know, what would have been a problem? Like I actually thought about it and I'm so glad I didn't have the money or do it, but because I didn't have the opportunity then. Um, but I thought about like at one point I was like, well, you know, I won't be able to own property in Seattle and I certainly wouldn't be able to own in New York or whatever, but maybe I could buy like property someplace else and do Airbnb shit.
[00:21:55] Well, thank God I didn't because all the air, all the people who did that are so fucked. [00:22:00] They're so screwed. I mean, and then there are a lot of people who got like the low-interest loans and whatnot, and like really are screwed because they have, you know, they're, they're not on the hook, these, these mortgages and like nobody's doing Airbnb stuff.
[00:22:11] So, um, you know, and it's like, um, but like they, they cut our rent, um, which is insane. Like they actually kept our rent the same, but they gave us a free month. So. My rent is, is before parking and other stuff is 3,500 a month. And, um, so that was like, you know, basically a $300 a month, uh, cut on my rent this year, which is nuts.
[00:22:37] They were like, please just don't leave. Just, if you sign a, a six to 12 month lease, we'll give you a free month rent. I'm like, okay, chill, I'm done, you know,
[00:22:48] Brett: [00:22:48] Do you want to know how much the mortgage is on the house I'm living in?
[00:22:51] Christina: [00:22:51] 1500.
[00:22:53] Brett: [00:22:53] Less, I won't go into the exact number, but it, it only has three digits. And I have [00:23:00] an office and a bedroom and a kitchen and a living room.
[00:23:03] Christina: [00:23:03] see, see, and that's the thing, right? This is why, um, I was actually there's this thing, um, in the wall street journal, I think this week about how people are like. A mass moved from the Bay area to Colorado. And it makes sense. Um, and, and you see going to a lot of other places, the one downside of that is, and this is the thing where the tech companies and some of the other employers will screw you, is that they will lower your base rate.
[00:23:28] And for some
[00:23:29] Brett: [00:23:29] The Midwest tax, they call it.
[00:23:31] Christina: [00:23:31] Right. And, and for some people, if you do the math, it will still work out. Um, for me, it'd be one of those things. I'm like, I don't want to live in the Midwest and then you, like, you need a car and you need other stuff, but a lot of people are now. Like, I, I don't think Winona is going to face this, but the Minnesota, well it's actually, Minnesota is really cold, but you know what I mean?
[00:23:51] But like, but, but, but, but the Midwest in general is going to have this big influx. I think of people, you know, kind of coming into it and like [00:24:00] Colorado is actually a perfect spot for that, because already it was a tech hub, like with Boulder and Denver and stuff, but it's going to be even bigger when people are, people are, people are like in Boise and shit and I'm like, Montana and like, like housing prices are going up in Montana because people are like, all right, we're going to flee, you know, San Francisco and go to Bozeman.
[00:24:20] And I'm like, okay, I, and this is elitist of me, but I'm like, I don't, I don't know if I could live in Bozeman. Like even if it was super cheap. I think that that would just like, I think I would be driven insane, but that's just me.
[00:24:35] Brett: [00:24:35] are you ready for an awesome segue?
[00:24:37] Christina: [00:24:37] I'm so ready for an awesome segue.
[00:24:40] Brett: [00:24:40] Okay, Lee, I don't mean to raise expectations cause it's not that greatest segue, speaking of mental health, C kinda. So one of the things that my psychiatrist has recommended for me is taking vitamins D N E and uh,
[00:25:00] [00:25:00] Christina: [00:25:00] mine too.
[00:25:00] Brett: [00:25:00] Yeah, well, they're, they're great for your, for, for your, uh, your mental health, especially if you have like, uh, we, we will go into specific.
[00:25:09] I'm not allowed to, that's weird. Yeah. But, but, but, so, uh, we are sponsored this week by ritual multivitamins and, um, just got my first shipment of them this morning. So I can't talk about how well they work yet, but. I'll tell you why I'm excited to start. Are you ready for
[00:25:32] Christina: [00:25:32] why are you excited? I'm so excited to hear about why you're excited to start.
[00:25:37] Brett: [00:25:37] So a lot of vitamin companies start with like great research and they have a great team of, of scientists and nutritionists and doctors, and they make a product they really believe in. And if they're good, they often get bought up. And when a new parent company tries to optimize the product, they end up sourcing lower quality ingredients and adding fillers and sugars and a bunch of stuff you don't want in your daily vitamins.
[00:26:00] [00:26:00] And. W the thing with ritual is it has no sugars, no GMOs, no synthetic fillers, no artificial colorings, and all of its ingredients are transparently sourced all the way through. So, you know, where every, everything from the casing of the capsule to the actual nutrients in it, you can see where it comes from.
[00:26:20] And because that's like a major selling point for them. And, and the reason that I'm excited about it, I think, I think they'll stick with that. I think even if they get bought, that's kind of like a major feature for them.
[00:26:33] Christina: [00:26:33] Yeah, no. And I have to say I, um, I haven't received mine yet, but I'm really excited to get them because I've been meaning to, I need to take a daily multivitamin to be totally candid and something that I've, I've kind of. Uh, I haven't been adhering to basic health things in these, in these times. And when you look at that, yeah, I mean, that, you're exactly right in that a lot of the multivitamins out there, like they have a lot of those fillers and so having a company that's committed [00:27:00] to not having that stuff, uh, is really important.
[00:27:03] Brett: [00:27:03] Yeah. And you're going to get the, the formula specifically for women. I'm taking the formula for men. Uh, they even have like a teen and postnatal formulas. Um,
[00:27:15] Christina: [00:27:15] I should maybe be getting the teen formula.
[00:27:18]Brett: [00:27:18] You young ins? Um, my formula has 10 nutrients. I'm not, I'm not sure offhand what's in the women's formula, but mine includes vitamin E N D.
[00:27:30] And even some B12. It's not a button injection, but it is. I'm getting some B12 out of it. And, uh, and they're vegan friendly. Yay. Uh, and, uh, as someone who's doing intermittent fasting, I also liked that they use a delayed release capsule that dissolves later, uh, in less sensitive areas of the stomach. So I can take them even if I'm not eating a meal.
[00:27:56] Cause I skipped breakfast, but I like to take my vitamins in the [00:28:00] morning. So that's, that's a selling point.
[00:28:03] Christina: [00:28:03] No, that that's good, actually. Yeah, no, cause I'm the same way I like to take a, I don't do intermittent fasting. I just don't eat in the morning. Um, so having a
[00:28:11] Brett: [00:28:11] Same difference.
[00:28:13] Christina: [00:28:13] basically, right? It's like, well, yeah, this is like the dirty secret. I'm like, Oh, I don't do intermittent fasting.
[00:28:18] I just eat once a day. And like, Oh, that's kind of what that is. It is.
[00:28:22] Brett: [00:28:22] That's that's literally what that is. Um, but you deserve to know what's in your multivitamin and that's why ritual ritual is offering our listeners 10% off during your first three months. So you can visit ritual.com/overtired to start your ritual today. We did it. Yeah.
[00:28:43] Christina: [00:28:43] am. I am actually, I am actually legit happy to, uh, to get these and start taking them because I have not been, I have been neglecting basic health things.
[00:28:53]Brett: [00:28:53] Yeah. Get your vitamin D and D.
[00:28:55] Christina: [00:28:55] Okay. For, for real, I mean, I don't go outside anymore, so, and, and [00:29:00] it's like, it's a problem. We were actually talking about like, naturally we were talking about like our vitamin D deficiencies last week or two weeks
[00:29:08] Brett: [00:29:08] And we talked about B12. I feel like everything's coming full circle.
[00:29:12] Christina: [00:29:12] it is thank you, ritual.
[00:29:13] Brett: [00:29:13] So, um, the other thing that really helped my mental health this week, uh, with some escapism with friends, uh, I did, uh, with, with Dave Chartier and Dan Peterson and Marina Appleman and Christopher gambler wall inject just to drop some names that most people probably don't know.
[00:29:35] Um,
[00:29:36] Christina: [00:29:36] but, but I know, and, and they're all awesome. So
[00:29:39] Brett: [00:29:39] Yeah. So we did a virtual movie night. It was our second one. We did one a while back. We watched mr. Wright, which despite its, its rotten tomatoes rating is actually a fantastic movie. Uh, we've probably talked about it. I never shut up about mr. Wright, but uh, on Halloween [00:30:00] we got together on zoom. And then set up a group messages conversation and then used plexes watch together feature to play.
[00:30:12] Uh, John dies at the end,
[00:30:15] Brett: [00:30:15] is again, it's, it's like 60 bucks from rotten tomatoes. And if you actually read the reviews, everyone hated it, but it's, it's still a fun movie, especially with friends. Um, But it will like it works because you can, we mute the zoom call while the movie's playing. And with watch together, you hit play and it plays for everybody.
[00:30:36] And so then we mute the zoom call and we switched to the text messages. So we have the running MST three K style, like witty remarks all the way
[00:30:46] Christina: [00:30:46] Oh, I love it.
[00:30:47] Brett: [00:30:47] And with the current version of messages, you can thread replies.
[00:30:50] Christina: [00:30:50] That's right. Oh, that's fun. I went in on the next one that
[00:30:54] Brett: [00:30:54] I will include you next time. I didn't want to bother you on Halloween. I figured you had things [00:31:00] going on.
[00:31:00] Christina: [00:31:00] Oh, I was sick, so I was asleep, but yeah. Um,
[00:31:04] Brett: [00:31:04] yes, you will. Definitely. You're already my friend on Plex. So it would be easy to loop you in. Uh, and it is a fun bunch of people and it it's, there's something about like, I've, I've texted, watched with people before where we just kind of like, we know we're watching the same thing and you do that thing where you're like, okay, hit play.
[00:31:24] Yeah, no, no. Now hit play and you try to like time it so that you're seeing the same thing at the same time. So you can have really rapid fire text conversations about it. The Hulu has a watched together feature as well. I'm not sure.
[00:31:40] Christina: [00:31:40] I think Netflix finally released one
[00:31:43] Brett: [00:31:43] Okay. So yeah, you can do this with a whole bunch of different platforms. Uh, but it, it takes that whole like synchronized start thing out of the mix.
[00:31:52] Christina: [00:31:52] Right. Right.
[00:31:53] Brett: [00:31:53] having the zoom call, having the video, the zoom call and being able, even if they're muted, being able [00:32:00] to see other people and, you know, see them laugh when, when you're laughing and it adds this very much, a social.
[00:32:09] Aspect to it that you don't get otherwise. And here's the thing, even with having to have three different technologies running and, and streaming platforms and everything, it's easier to pull together a digital watch party than it ever was to actually get people together in the same room.
[00:32:31] Christina: [00:32:31] right. Yeah. Um, so early in pandemic, uh, you know, 400 years ago or. And I think it actually was Marsh, even though it still feels like it's Marshall, like that's the joke is that it's still March. Uh, I think what did I watch? I watched with Pershant and his wife, melody. We all got on, we got on FaceTime and we watched, I think we watched, uh, the, the Nancy Meyers film, um, the intern.
[00:32:53] Um, but we might've watched another Anne Hathaway movie. I don't remember, but what we watched it together and it was fun, you know, just, but it was that [00:33:00] same thing. It was like over FaceTime and we were, we, we were basically sinked up or whatever, but it is that problem where like, even if you think you've got it done, like, you know, it can still be in precise, but you're exactly right.
[00:33:11] Like just being able to see somebody, even if you're muted. Is really, really awesome. And, and you're also right. That it's way easier than like finding people to invite over and be like, okay, we can all get together at this
[00:33:23] Brett: [00:33:23] Well, and then you have to clean your house.
[00:33:25] Christina: [00:33:25] Well, that's the whole thing. Yeah. I was like, I got to, my house is a nightmare.
[00:33:29] Brett: [00:33:29] have to serve snacks.
[00:33:32] Christina: [00:33:32] Yeah. That I don't ever mind, I'll just order out. But the cleaning thing is, is definitely an issue. And or if you live like our living room is a decent enough size, but we. I don't know it's full of guitars and other stuff, but like in New York, but like in New York, for instance, we could never have people over because our living room was also kind of like our kitchen area.
[00:33:53] Like, it was the way that like the layout was because our apartment was so small,
[00:33:56] Brett: [00:33:56] With the bathroom in the corner and everything. Yeah, no, I'm just
[00:34:00] [00:33:59] Christina: [00:33:59] Yeah. Well, no.
[00:34:01] Brett: [00:34:01] I have seen pictures of New York apartments where the bathroom is in the kitchen.
[00:34:05] Christina: [00:34:05] Yeah. And I mean, ours was not in the kitchen, but it was like this, this tiny little, like, it shouldn't have been a bathroom. Let's just put it that way. Um, but yeah, so yeah, that, that's awesome. Um, I definitely went on to the next thing and, uh, also kudos for, for Plex, for introducing that. Cause I think a lot of the services are doing it now, but there'd been a bunch of extensions, like Chrome extensions that people had created to get up the sinking.
[00:34:31] Um, and, and I think it was so popular with pandemic that the services were finally like, okay, we'll do it. Like, I think Amazon has one, but then they're limited by like what content we'll support it on or whatever. Whereas Plex doesn't have to worry about that. Cause they're just like, Hey, we don't know what you're watching.
[00:34:46] Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Um,
[00:34:48] Brett: [00:34:48] don't know how you got it on your Plex. We assume you ripped your Blu-rays.
[00:34:53] Christina: [00:34:53] yeah. W we assumed that everything was just completely kosher, but.
[00:34:56] Brett: [00:34:56] Here's a here's I admire him for this, but I [00:35:00] could never live by it. But, but Dan, uh, from the, he's the, he's the designer for agile bits, um, one password and he, uh, yeah, I was saying for the benefit of
[00:35:12] Christina: [00:35:12] uh, yes, I, I'm sorry. You're correct.
[00:35:16]Brett: [00:35:16] He, he, his Plex consists only of movies. He actually owns on blue Ray.
[00:35:22] Christina: [00:35:22] Cool.
[00:35:23] Brett: [00:35:23] That, yeah, that's, that's my response as well. Cool. Like I have a certain admiration for that. That's, that's a, that's a strong, moral code to live
[00:35:31] Christina: [00:35:31] Yeah. Yeah. I used to have a, uh, so I used to have a thing when I was in high school. Um, and then in college a little bit where I was like, and this was like the Haiti of Napster. So I was like in, in
[00:35:44] Brett: [00:35:44] Oh, I thought you said Haiti of Napster. I was like, was there a, a disaster? Okay. Hey, Hey day.
[00:35:50] Christina: [00:35:50] heyday, heyday. Yeah. Uh, so, cause I was like in like 10th or 11th grade when Napster came out, uh, and I used to have this rule where I was like, okay, if I download more [00:36:00] than like three songs from the same album that I need to buy the CD and I would stay, I would, I would. Like hold myself to that.
[00:36:06] Um, and I do have an enormous and tremendous Blu-ray and DVD collection, like thousands of titles. So a lot of the stuff on my Plex is stuff I actually own, but not all of it. But the bigger thing is that there are like TV shows. There's stuff that we have that like is not available. Like you were talking about mystery science theater 3000, um, grant is obsessed with riff tracks and he's also obsessed with MST three TK and like, So much of that stuff has never been like the refracts have, have been released, but so much of like the actual commentary things or whatever, but you know, some of those movies aren't are readily available and um, like the MST three K you know, series episodes, they release like some best stub stuff, but most of that's not available.
[00:36:50] So there's some stuff that it's like, yeah, I would, I would very much like to. You know, legally by this, but you won't sell it to me or you will, [00:37:00] but it will be neutered. Um, and so, yeah, so I, I, but I, I do respect like the, the commitment to being like, Oh, I'm, I'm only gonna, uh, have stuff that I own a Blu-ray like, again, like full props to that.
[00:37:13] Um, that is not my reality, but I have respect
[00:37:18] Brett: [00:37:18] for a lot, um, like my own Plex library, uh, which you haven't seen because we've never actually, now that I think about it, become friends on Plex, uh, friends on Plex prints on flex. Um, you. You never accepted my invite. So,
[00:37:36] Christina: [00:37:36] that I did.
[00:37:37] Brett: [00:37:37] aye. Aye. Aye. You're still under, under pending invitations, but, but like most of my Plex library is movies that I couldn't find streaming and, and went out, uh, like cemetery, man.
[00:37:51] You're not going to find on any streaming platform, but it's totally worth having. And I owned it at one point on VHS, so [00:38:00] I don't feel bad.
[00:38:01] Christina: [00:38:01] cruel intentions. Which real true story. 1999, cruel intentions is not available on streaming and it's not even available on iTunes anymore. I do have an iTunes purchase that I was able to get at one point I believe. And it is on, I have it on, uh, it's shared with me on a number of different Plex things, but yeah, they're like weird movies, uh, even like big ones that sometimes they're just not available on streaming.
[00:38:27] And it's fortunately getting. Less and less, but yeah, there are a number of things you're like, yeah, this is not available. This is out of print.
[00:38:37] Brett: [00:38:37] And you know this, like, I don't have to worry about it anymore. I used to be the same about music as you were like, I would grab a song if I just had a song stuck in my head and I could get it for free. I would go buy it or go steal it. But if I. If I really liked the song or I wanted more than one song off the album, I, I would buy the album, [00:39:00] but that be like, once iTunes started offering single tracks for 99 cents,
[00:39:06] Brett: [00:39:06] I didn't have to feel bad anymore.
[00:39:08] And now, now I live in a world where it is rare, except for, besides in demos. It is rare that I can't find the song I'm looking for on a service I'm legitimately paying for.
[00:39:22] Christina: [00:39:22] Yeah, no, it's hard. There are certain, there's some things, and again, it's weird. Like Ellia is one of the few artists who's not on streaming, uh, which is. Sad because a whole generation hasn't really been able to discover her music. And that's a weird thing. I think that her uncle, uh, who owns the rights to that label stuff, like there's some weird thing.
[00:39:42] And he was, she's not on the streaming. They were a couple of other artists, but by and large, most of those things are, um, not, um, like you can find anything, you know, like that's, that's kind of the, the thing. Um, you're going to have to send me the invite again, cause I don't even see it as a pending [00:40:00] invite.
[00:40:01] Um, but actually hold on a second users and sharing, this is, this is great radio right now. Oh, no, I got it. Okay, cool. All right. I'm I'm I've accepted. Thank you. Um, so
[00:40:13] Brett: [00:40:13] Eric moment. We've waited for weeks for, for Christina to get on my Plex.
[00:40:17] Christina: [00:40:17] Now I'm on your Plex and I'll need to,
[00:40:20] Brett: [00:40:20] Make sure you share your libraries with
[00:40:22] Christina: [00:40:22] yeah, yeah, exactly. I'll have grant do it because, um, we. Stupidly have two separate flex accounts.
[00:40:29] Um, so, but yeah, um, In this day and age, like music is kind of a commodity. So most things are available, but not everything like I still miss oink, which was the best music tracker ever. And, and funny story, I've interviewed Trent Reznor twice over the years. And both times I talked to him about oink because he was a famous like user and a member of, of that, uh, of the, the very best, uh, private tracker, uh, [00:41:00] Torrent music site, like it had everything.
[00:41:02] And, um, the last time I talked to him about it was actually during the Apple music launch, it didn't make it into my article, but we did have a nice conversation about that. Uh, much to the chagrin of the PR people who were on the line, who I'm sure were not at all thrilled that me and, and, uh, you know, uh, Trent Reznor, uh, we're we're talking about, you know, like, Quasi illegal access to music, but, but the whole point being at this point, you know, now you don't even have to buy the single tracks because if you subscribe to Spotify or Apple music or title or Amazon music or whatever, uh, Deezer, you have access to basically every song and album out there,
[00:41:45]Brett: [00:41:45] Yeah. I got distracted going through other people's flex libraries. That's that's our show now, just going through other people's flex libraries. Um, So I there's a show on [00:42:00] Netflix, which is kind of a segue. I, we, we did just mention Netflix recently. So, um, I feel like I'm getting, I'm getting better at this.
[00:42:10] Christina: [00:42:10] you know, this is a good segue. Cause we were talking about entertainment. This is, this is a perfect
[00:42:13] Brett: [00:42:13] Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Um, Queens gambit is a show that it's about chess, which. I, I, I'm not good at chess. Like I've lost plenty of chess games in my life, but I'm no, I'm no fan of chess. So I didn't think I'd be super into it, but the preview sparked my interest and I started watching it and I just finished it last night.
[00:42:40] And it's actually, I loved it. Have you seen Queen's gambit?
[00:42:45] Christina: [00:42:45] Yeah, I've seen some of it. And then I had a whole, I had a weird conversation with my friends, Alex and Katherine, and one of our group chats about, uh, Anna or Anya Taylor joy who pays, who plays Beth, because she [00:43:00] is like somebody who a, she looks like a million women out there, but be like, they're the, the age range, I guess, that she kind of like plays.
[00:43:12] And this is, is kind of interesting. So, yeah.
[00:43:17] Brett: [00:43:17] Yeah. She plays every age except for like the nine-year-old version of her.
[00:43:23] Brett: [00:43:23] So I won't give away the ending, but it's, it's a girl who started playing chess in the basement of an orphanage with the janitor and got obsessed with it. And, uh, meanwhile like develops, uh, some. Uh, drug and alcohol dependencies and becomes like state dependent.
[00:43:45] Like she can't play chess without trucks, which is, yeah, I get it. Like, there was a point in my life where I couldn't do art without drugs, so I get that
[00:43:58] Christina: [00:43:58] Yeah. Um, well, now that we're [00:44:00] having this conversation, so when I tried watching this, I guess when this came out a couple of weeks ago or whatever, I wound up going down some weird rabbit hole of, of chess movies. So it was watching, you know, um, uh, um, searching for Bobby Fischer, which I hadn't seen in a long time.
[00:44:14] And then that led me down this really weird, like Bobby Fischer. Like rabbit hole, which I don't recommend people going down. Cause that just gets disturbing. Um, but yeah, I went, but I D I remember, I remember this succinctly now, because this is why I didn't finish this series because I wound up going down some weird rabbit hole, Wikipedia pages about various chess grandmasters,
[00:44:35] Brett: [00:44:35] You, uh, you and your Wikipedia keyholes.
[00:44:38] Christina: [00:44:38] Yes, my Wikipedia K holes. That is, that is totally, I mean, that's like, that's a good, like solid throwback to what our show fundamentally is, which is both of us just like getting sucked into these K holes of internet ridiculousness, but yeah. Um, I, uh, I'll finish it, but yeah. Um, I wanted to hear your [00:45:00] thoughts on it without kind of spoiling things.
[00:45:03] Are you a fan? You're not a fan, like.
[00:45:05] Brett: [00:45:05] of, of the show. Yeah. I E I found it very, very compelling. Um, I, it it's dark in a way, like, I guess partly because it just deals with, well, I know it's a girl who, whose mom, like it develops this story of how, how w who her mom was. Uh, but like opening show, it's like her standing on a bridge with her mom dead in a car after an automobile accident.
[00:45:34] And then like going to an orphanage growing up without a parent being adopted by a family that really. Doesn't give a shit about her. And so it's dark. It, there's a lot of pain involved with it and yeah, no, I found it very compelling. I finished the whole series in about a week worth it.
[00:45:55] Christina: [00:45:55] awesome. Awesome. And I'm speaking about things that are kind of [00:46:00] dark, but also entertaining. I guess this is my attempt of doing the John Oliver Memorial sewage plant.
[00:46:06]Brett: [00:46:06] it's not dark. It's a very heartwarming story. Uh, for anyone who didn't follow this at, at some point in the past, it's been a while. Uh, John Oliver took a random swipe at a town called Danbury in Connecticut, uh, and just, just ream them for no apparent reason. Just one of his, like
[00:46:32] Christina: [00:46:32] One of his things.
[00:46:34] Brett: [00:46:34] just, just a take down of a completely innocent little Berg and they responded with some brilliant social media, um, kind of, uh, uh, retaliations and they, they got his attention and it became kind of a, a tit for tat back and forth.
[00:46:58] And eventually. [00:47:00] Uh, as an insult, the mayor of Danbury, uh, said they were, he showed a sign and said, In honor of John Oliver, they were renaming their sewage treatment plant that John Oliver Memorial sewage plant, not just the John Oliver, sewage plant the Memorial and, and he loved it. And then it turned out that it was just a joke.
[00:47:28] Uh, and he said that if they would actually do it, he would donate, it was like $70,000.
[00:47:37] Christina: [00:47:37] something like that.
[00:47:38] Brett: [00:47:38] Uh, uh, tens of thousands of dollars to three different charities, uh, in their area and, uh, and would show up for the, uh, the ribbon cutting and everything. And it, it, it went on for a little while the mayor seemed to equivocate on it.
[00:47:56] Uh, and then they had, and he televised the, uh, [00:48:00] the city council, the zoom based city council meeting, where they voted on whether to do this. And to me, it seemed like such an obvious, like naming a suicide. This plant shouldn't be a big deal. They were actually dissenting city council members that just didn't want to have anything to do with this nonsense.
[00:48:22] But.
[00:48:23] Christina: [00:48:23] We're not amused by the joke. They didn't like the fact that he was like, it's full of shit. Just like me. Like, yeah. Yeah.
[00:48:30] Brett: [00:48:30] but it was a, it was a very, ultimately they did officially rename it. And his last show closed out with, uh, with him at the ribbon cutting ceremony, fully dressed that decked out in like a hazmat suit. It, it was, it was heartwarming and brilliant and I'm glad it happened.
[00:48:49] Christina: [00:48:49] So, um, and it's just like the perfect John Oliver thing, because that's, that's this, I mean, he's, he's done that sort of thing, uh, before, not to this sort of, uh, extent, but, [00:49:00] but he's had these sorts of back and forth with cities and with companies and stuff before. And, uh, I love it when, when this sort of stuff happens.
[00:49:06] He's, he's my favorite. And, uh, like that, that is still to me, I will say the show is lost something when it's not in front of a live audience. I still laugh, but there is something weird about not having, you know, an audience there to
[00:49:20] Brett: [00:49:20] that's true of all the talk shows. Yeah.
[00:49:23] Christina: [00:49:23] It is, it is. Uh, but, but I still like, he's one of my favorites and, and over the last, you know, five years or however long has shows been on.
[00:49:32] And even before that, when he was on the daily show, like, he's, he's one of the rare, like, kind of like bright spots in, in the hellscape that has been, you know, kind of humanity in the news. I think, uh, It it's, it's, it's sort of sad that it's taken. I mean, he's, he obviously comes from like the John Stewart school of all this stuff, but it is sort of sad that it is sometimes it's takes like the comedians to approach news in the best [00:50:00] way and be like the most explanatory and informative, you know, like there there's, there's something that's kinda messed up about that,
[00:50:07] Brett: [00:50:07] Speaking of,
[00:50:08] Christina: [00:50:08] job.
[00:50:09] Yes.
[00:50:10] Brett: [00:50:10] this isn't even a segue. This is just a downright continuation. What do you know about John Stewart and Apple TV plus?
[00:50:16]Christina: [00:50:16] he announced something. That's all I know. I don't.
[00:50:21] Brett: [00:50:21] Yeah. I, I don't know. I, I heard there was, it was, uh, um, Jon Stewart was on whose show. Oh, it was Cole bear. He was on the late show with Cole bear and Cole bear made some comment about Apple TV, plus congratulations on your Apple TV plus deal. And I couldn't find an explanation of this, but nothing, nothing in the last month, maybe the last year has been as exciting to me as the idea of John Stewart coming back right
[00:50:56] Christina: [00:50:56] Oh, I agree. I agree. Okay. So this is from the New York times. John Stewart returns the [00:51:00] spotlight with a series for Apple TV plus on his new program, the former daily show host will explore topics that are currently part of the national conversation and his advocacy work. Apple said, so. Uh, so I'm not sure it's, it's it's, uh, um, Apple TV, uh, plus Senate ordered the series for multiple seasons.
[00:51:16] It will feature one hour episodes, each dedicated to a single topic. Apple didn't describe the format, whether it would be an interview series or something closer to John Oliver's weekly HBO series or specify how many episodes it would have per
[00:51:28] Brett: [00:51:28] Yeah, so we know nothing.
[00:51:30] Christina: [00:51:30] so we know nothing. My hope is that it will be kind of in the John Oliver style, like.
[00:51:36] You know, because a, the job or style is in some ways kind of a continuation of what John Oliver did on, um, you know, daily show and, and kind of coming from that perspective. Uh, but, um, like it doesn't need to be a total rip off of that, but that would actually be good thing for Apple to be in, to have one of those types of shows.
[00:52:00] [00:51:59] And, uh, I just hope that it doesn't get like, too, like, uh, I hope they keep the humor. Right? Like, I hope
[00:52:06] Brett: [00:52:06] Oh, yeah.
[00:52:07] Christina: [00:52:07] trust them. I trust that they'll nail the format once they come to that. I just hope that they, you know, that it doesn't try to be too earnest. That's my only thing, like, like don't lean into the earnest news too much.
[00:52:18] Brett: [00:52:18] Well, see, that's the thing that makes John Stewart. One of my heroes is his ability to be humorous and self-deprecating while still being. Very earnest,
[00:52:29] Christina: [00:52:29] agreed.
[00:52:30] Brett: [00:52:30] not approaching it as just like, I'm going to lecture you on this topic, but we're going to, we're going to look at it from a honestly, it's a very Jewish sense of humor and it's everything that I love about the Jewish sense of humor.
[00:52:45] Christina: [00:52:45] totally is. I just mean that, like, you could see that, and I don't have any like fears about John Oliver or not John of about Jon Stewart doing this just more with, with whoever has showrunners or whatever would be is that I wanted to keep that humor because it could get into an earnest [00:53:00] place too.
[00:53:00] Like it could be too earnest. And then that would be like preachy and, and not that I'm opposed to being preached at, by, by John Stewart, because I would totally watch that. But part of what made the daily show. So perfect was that he could be really earnest as you said, but he was funny, but he also, wasn't afraid, as you also said, to being silly and to just kind of going into that other and that other stuff.
[00:53:22] And I it's, it's interesting. I do feel like, you know, the success of Stephen Colbert and, uh, of John Oliver, you know, part of me feels bad for Trevor Noah A. Little bit because. You know, the, the, the people who'd who've, uh, you know, Samantha bee's show was really good, even though that didn't last, you know, but like the all, Oh, she's still on.
[00:53:42] Brett: [00:53:42] Yeah, I watch her show. I don't remember. She, I watched her on YouTube now. I don't remember what networks she ended up on.
[00:53:48] Christina: [00:53:48] Uh, TBS, I think, but, um, but yeah, so, you know, like the, the whole, you know, the, the secondary characters all went on to, Oh, it was Larry Wal-Mart that, that, uh, that his shirt it lasts, [00:54:00] um,
[00:54:00] Brett: [00:54:00] actually, uh, Larry Wilmore has something new now.
[00:54:03] Christina: [00:54:03] Good for him. Uh, but, but,
[00:54:06] Brett: [00:54:06] but it's not as good. Anyway, your point stands.
[00:54:08] Christina: [00:54:08] but my, my, my, my point being like, pardon me feels kind of bad for Trevor Noah, because it's like, all of the secondary characters went on to having these really good shows in their own.
[00:54:16] Right. And, and it's been hard for him to kind of get well, part of it too is just, he's not as good. Like,
[00:54:23] Brett: [00:54:23] Yeah, he just, isn't
[00:54:24] Christina: [00:54:24] he's just, he's just not as good. And, and that's,
[00:54:27] Brett: [00:54:27] the show the show feels like and okay. So it feels like it's made for kids and maybe the daily show always was made for kids. And I just got old, but his, he, Trevor Noah, I don't feel like an adult watching the daily show anymore.
[00:54:44] Christina: [00:54:44] Yeah. And I think, I mean, cause I re I watched the daily show when it was Craig Kilborn and, and, and I remember when Jon Stewart took over, I was, I was like 15 or 16 and I was like a huge fan. I was like, Oh, he's doing really good stuff. And I'd like to Craig Kilborn, but it [00:55:00] obviously became like a much better
[00:55:01] Brett: [00:55:01] It was a very different show after
[00:55:03] Christina: [00:55:03] completely different.
[00:55:04] Yeah. Like it was a completely different show. And, and you could just see, like for the beginning, John Stewart just had like a different sensibility in a different
[00:55:11] Brett: [00:55:11] Get a different vision for it
[00:55:14] Christina: [00:55:14] That's what I mean exactly. Like his, his vision. He was like, this is not going to be the same thing and, and it, and it wasn't.
[00:55:19] Um, whereas I think like Trevor Noah, Didn't come at it with that same sort of approach. She's tried to kind of keep what the format was. And some of the, some of the things that were part of the Jon Stewart daily show live, which makes sense. The problem being that everybody who had been like big, you know, in the John Stewart area, the biggest players all got their own shows or, you know, became parts of other things.
[00:55:44] And he's just not as good. Um, but I, I do definitely like, it's been nice to see. You know, the success of John Oliver and Stephen Colbert, of course, but it's, um, it'll be interesting to see John Stewart back on TV cause I've missed him. You know, he's been gone for five years and
[00:56:00] [00:55:59] Brett: [00:55:59] and, and, and I have missed him more than ever in the last four years.
[00:56:04] Christina: [00:56:04] agreed, agreed. Um,
[00:56:06] Brett: [00:56:06] he got out at a good time for someone who is burnt out, this would not have been the four years to be doing what he was doing. And he was getting burnt
[00:56:15] Christina: [00:56:15] Oh, he was so burned
[00:56:16] Brett: [00:56:16] and the interviews were lame by the time he was done. Uh, like he w he was not this sharp interviewer that he was previously.
[00:56:26] Uh, I, I get, he needed a break, but now is the time to come back.
[00:56:30] Christina: [00:56:30] no, totally. I mean, I kind of feel the same way about Keith Warren to a certain extent. Um,
[00:56:34] Brett: [00:56:34] my God. I gave up on him years ago.
[00:56:36] Christina: [00:56:36] Well, you know, but that's the thing, like he kind of got burned. This is sort of my point though. Like he got burned out and, but didn't quit and, and, and still kept kind of doing his own thing, although he's quit ESPN yet again, to go back to doing, um, like, uh, political commentary stuff, which is good.
[00:56:53] I think that he's just going to be doing it on, on YouTube or something. Um, but I, um, [00:57:00] yeah, yeah. He's going to start a political commentary program on, on his YouTube channel and. I, I could get into that. You know, it has been a few years since, um, I've been able to watch him do any of that stuff. Maybe, maybe this'll be a good time again, but there was a part of,
[00:57:14] Brett: [00:57:14] Go ahead. Sorry.
[00:57:16] Christina: [00:57:16] I was just gonna say this would have been a time that in like a perfect world, he would have been, if he hadn't been, if he hadn't burned himself out, would have been nice to have had him and John Stewart.
[00:57:28] Brett: [00:57:28] yeah. Yes. But the thing about Olbermann is he's full of rich white man bluster, which comes across as, uh, with some gravitas, but also now is not really the time. Now is now is a better time for Matt out than over Ben.
[00:57:45] Christina: [00:57:45] Yeah, no, I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that, that I, I always, but there's something to be said, I think for sure. Hopefully this nightmare will not, will now be over, but there's something to be said about like the last four years that I do kind of wonder if you would [00:58:00] have that rich white man bluster of somebody just calling it out every single week, like directly and without the pretenses of, of journalistic integrity. If, if I don't think anything would have changed at all, I just think it would have been cathartic.
[00:58:19] Brett: [00:58:19] Yeah, I'll give you that. There's always a place for a righteous indignation.
[00:58:25] Christina: [00:58:25] Yeah. I mean, he did do like the resistance with people remember or whatever, which was like his GQ series. But again, like I think that he just kind of burned himself out and, and he didn't do himself any favors when he did the whole current TV thing and all that stuff. Like, you know, there was a lot of stuff that went on with Keith origin, but, um, but like, I don't know, maybe this is just because I was, I was young then, but I feel like there was that, you know, in that, in the early two thousands, when you had like, That was peak daily show, but that was also peak Olbermann.
[00:58:50] And that was, that was a good shit. And, uh, at least though we have people like John Oliver and what I do appreciate about John Oliver's that he similarly [00:59:00] to, uh, to Stewart is earnest and will explain things very well. Uh, but he gets even sillier than, than, than Stuart would, you know, Like he's, uh, his, his pop culture, um, sensibility is, is a little bit, um, different too, which I like.
[00:59:19] And, you know, hence the John Oliver, uh, Memorial sewage plant.
[00:59:26] Brett: [00:59:26] The guy that is a more recent daily show correspondent who now has his own show. And he does, uh, kind of his best known stuff as he goes to Trump rallies and interviews people. Um, and I'm totally forgetting his name. Uh, he's, he's actually really good at these, uh, these in-person on the spot interviews with, with Trump supporters and his show is it's not called the resistance, but it's something similar and he's done some embedded stuff with, uh, eco warrior [01:00:00] activists.
[01:00:00] And, um, man, it's really going to bug me that I can't remember this. Uh, all right out right here. I'm going to edit in a little spot here. It comes. That's where, that's where I'm going to, uh, yup. I just, I just, whatever it is, I just said it. You're welcome.
[01:00:21] Christina: [01:00:21] very nice.
[01:00:22] Brett: [01:00:22] Uh, it's very frustrating. My, my brain we'd been talking for an hour now.
[01:00:28] Christina: [01:00:28] I know. And I now, like this is now Bob bothering me too. Is, is, was it, um, uh, Jordan Klepper?
[01:00:34] Brett: [01:00:34] Yes. Thank you. Oh, forget about that. Edit, uh, Jordan Klepper and he has, uh, uh, do you know the name of the show? Do you have that handy?
[01:00:44] Christina: [01:00:44] uh, w well, he, uh, the op the opposition with
[01:00:46] Brett: [01:00:46] Yes. The opposition with Jordan Klepper, that show is actually really good if you're looking for, um, he, he, he's, he's funny in, in his, uh, very sarcastic way.
[01:01:00] [01:01:00] Christina: [01:01:00] yeah, I like him.
[01:01:01] Brett: [01:01:01] but yeah, checkout checkout, Jordan Klepper versus Trump rallies on, uh, on YouTube, but you can find them all. It's a comedy central show and he still does some stuff with the daily show, but definitely a, an up and coming, uh, daily show alumni.
[01:01:19] Christina: [01:01:19] Yeah, I have to say like that, that has, that has to have been like his, like over the last, you know, 15, 20 years. Like, and again, this is a credit of John Stewart, but like one of the best kind of like farm
[01:01:29] Brett: [01:01:29] Oh, totally. It's a, it's a, a mil for political comedy.
[01:01:34] Christina: [01:01:34] like, honestly, like it's, it's, it's like the, you know, it's kind of like the SNL of political comment, you know what I mean?
[01:01:40] Brett: [01:01:40] Yep. Totally.
[01:01:41] Christina: [01:01:41] okay, you, you do, you do your tour of duty with that. And then if you're good enough, like you get called up to the big leagues and yeah.
[01:01:48] Brett: [01:01:48] the funny thing about Klepper is when he left the daily show inserted his own show, they originally did a cold bear style thing where he was actually playing the part of like info [01:02:00] Wars, like, uh, a parody of info Wars and this very hard, right. Uh, uh, parody and satire and, uh, that didn't track as well as they thought it would.
[01:02:16] Uh, he never hit like the cold bear sweet spot. And so they decided to just let him be the liberal that he is. And, and they just kind of morphed the show into him. Just being honest, instead of playing apart, which was pretty good.
[01:02:35] Christina: [01:02:35] Yeah. Yeah. I know which, which I think is like the right thing to do. Cause it's really hard. Like. AB Cole bear again. It's like one of those things, like you have to be the right person to be able to pull that off. And, and so many people didn't know that. I mean, Kohlberg did it so deadpan and did it so perfectly, you know, for years, so many people didn't know like that he was that it was an act,
[01:02:56] Brett: [01:02:56] he was joking.
[01:02:57] Christina: [01:02:57] Right. Which, which, which made it that much funnier [01:03:00] to the asshole liberals like you and I, and probably many of our listeners, right? Like. Well, we got to be smug, you know, assholes about it, but,
[01:03:08] Brett: [01:03:08] I just never understood how someone thought that a show came on after the daily show. And that they would program two opposing shows. Like how do you not get that joke? Come on,
[01:03:20] Christina: [01:03:20] Um, I mean, I agree, but I don't know. It's just one of those things, again, going back to John Oliver, like, it's always hilarious to me when, whenever he does any of like the, his segments on Brexit and he would show like, there's this, uh, there's like this UK show where they film people, watching TV and get their actual reactions and.
[01:03:41] You know, seeing people, actual people in the UK is like reaction to things about Brexit and whatnot, as they're realizing stuff was just like stunning, you know what I mean? Uh, like just, just the, the, the dumbness. Um, and so I, you know, but this is how stuff like that [01:04:00] happens. Like, I guess I can understand that if you're not totally plugged in, like, if you care about other stuff and the TV is just on, maybe you just think that that's.
[01:04:07] Somebody's being serious, you know, I it's it's, I think it would be harder for Cole bear to pull off what he pulled off. Then now in now that like, um, linear television has disappeared to a certain extent. Like, I don't know if he could pull off the same type of thing and that might be why Jordan Klepper's thing didn't
[01:04:27] Brett: [01:04:27] yeah. Could very well be just a sign of the times.
[01:04:30] Christina: [01:04:30] Exactly. It's like, okay. That sort of concept only works when you're in a linear television environment with when you're kind of in an on demand, people choosing, you know, over the top kind of streaming scenario, you have to find a different sort of. You know, conceit to, to have, so that sort of humor, maybe you can't do that sort of thing, right?
[01:04:50] Like that the parodies are people aren't going to get it, which actually D that could, that could be the case. Right. Because when people, when people have tried on Netflix, for [01:05:00] instance, like Joel, McHale's various shows on Netflix, haven't worked out and whatnot, and Netflix hasn't been able to do any sort of daily or weekly show they've tried and they just, it hasn't worked for them.
[01:05:10] And I have a feeling. Uh, that's as much of a function as Netflix as anything else. I do think Apple could succeed, but Netflix, I don't think that the people approach it the same way that they approach linear television, which means that anything that has a specific like age on it, you know what I mean?
[01:05:30] Like you have to watch this within this period of time. Doesn't work the same way.
[01:05:35] Brett: [01:05:35] I'm really impressed that on two hours of sleep, you like usually when you get really tired, You T you very easily slip into like your deep rabbit holes about like, uh, nineties, teen, uh, television shows. Um, you, you stayed like right on the surface with me just being ADHD about the news this week. [01:06:00] I'm impressed. Um, not that, not that I mind the Christina rabbit holes. That's, that's what we're here for,
[01:06:07] Christina: [01:06:07] Totally,
[01:06:07] Brett: [01:06:07] but I do get to, I get to participate more.
[01:06:11] Christina: [01:06:11] no, I appreciate, I see, I've been trying, I want you to participate more and plus at this point, like listeners, you have four years worth of me going on nineties rabbit holes about teen dramas and. And I could write a dissertation on it, uh, which should be worthless. Uh, our, our, our friend Marina would, would, uh, gladly tell me, Christina, don't write this. Plenty of other people have just don't and I'd be like, but, but they haven't been as good as mine, but I would also be like, yeah, you're right. This is not conducive use of my time. So yeah.
[01:06:41] Brett: [01:06:41] All right. Well, in all honesty, in all earnestness, get some sleep,
[01:06:47] Christina: [01:06:47] Thank you. Thank you, you as well. And, uh, to all of our listeners out there, um, whenever you're listening to this, uh, keep, keep the faith, keep up the good fight, uh, et cetera, et cetera.
[01:07:00] [01:07:00] Brett: [01:07:00] et cetera, et cetera, and good night.
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It was a pleasure working with Singapore Art Museum on a series of bookbinding workshops from Jan 2015 to Mar 2015.
The series of three monthly workshops drew inspiration from the 15 art pieces showcased in the museum as part of the Asia Pacific Breweries (APB) Foundation Signature Art Prize 2014 exhibition. The art prize was started by APB Foundation in 2007 and is held triennially. The current 2014 exhibition is the third edition.
Selected by a panel of five eminent judges from around the region, the 15 finalists were chosen from a total of 105 nominated artworks from 24 countries and territories. The contemporary artworks represent the very best of the region, and come from 13 diverse countries and territories including Australia, Bangladesh, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, New Zealand, Pakistan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand and Vietnam.
As part of the exhibition's outreach, bookbinding workshops were conducted to incorporate the interpretation of these contemporary artworks into the traditional art of making a book by hand. Each workshop focused on a traditional bookbinding technique like Japanese Stab Binding and Coptic Binding. The end product, however required each participant to be creative and to base their book on the interpretation of the workshop theme and the selected pieces of artwork.
The scroll book recollected the progress of the book from beginning from carved surfaces to bound scrolls and finally to printed books. The book can be bundled up just like a scroll, but is bound with pieces of paper laid flat to accommodate easy writing and reading.
Control is an essential part of art. Each artist gain mastery of their craft by manipulating their materials, expressions or even mindsets in different ways. There is of course forms of control which are external (e.g. regulation) and also internal (paradigm). The artwork Unsubtltied (Nguyen Trinh Thi, Vietnam) is a commentary of the state's control over artistic expression by getting artists to articulate what they are eating and to allow the viewer to observe them doing so; while Infinite Love (Owen Leong, Australia) challenges the viewer to see eating not as a pleasurable activity but one which can be disturbing and involuntary. Both these artwork use food as an analogy for their messages.
In a similar way, food also features in Custos Cavum (Choe U-Ram, Korea). The form, a worm-like creature with tendrils extending vertical, was inspired by the herb,Cordyceps. The graceful, coordinated movement of the metal contraception gives a sense of life in the creature, showing the mastery of the artist over an unwieldy material like industrial steel and motors.
Participants of the bookbinding workshop were also challenged to create paintings on their book covers using unfamiliar art tools such as sponges, skewers and chopsticks. The exercise allowed them to lose some control over their painting but in the process, learn to manipulate their new tools in new ways. The expression can be unexpected like the work Trace (Liu Jianhua, China) which occupied the spiral staircase in the museum's rotunda.
The theme of urban life is a common one among the finalists. The following artworks traces urban development through different time periods using a variety of artefacts, for example Golden Teardrop (Arin Rungjang, Thailand) traced the origins of the popular snack thong yod which was brought into the kingdom by a Portuguese-Bengali-Japanese woman during the 17th century. Rankin Street (Naeem Mohaiemen, Bangladesh) on the other hand, looks at a set of photographs taken by the artist's father in their old house in Dhaka. The photographs are manipulated to juxtaposes the domestic setting against the decades of turmoil in South Asia (Partition in the 1950s and the independence of Bangladesh in 1971).
The absurdity of modern life is also captured in two artworks, namely Mirage – Disued Public Property in Taiwan (Yao Jui Chung, Taiwan) and House of Opaque Water (Ranbir Kaleka, India). The former traces the excess of development in the island while the latter talks about the destructive force of rising sea level brought about by global development.
Urban Life in the bookbinding workshop was conceived as layers. The skyline can be interpreted as a layered form with tiers of buildings of different heights, age and functions (e.g. shophouse to skyscrapers to HDB estates, etc). Layers can also be expressed through the manipulation of the materials, cupboard and paper, to create a 3D object that is exquisite and intricate. Coptic Binding is chosen for its versatility in binding elements of different shapes and sizes together. The variety of works completed by the participants definitely proved the potential of the binding technique in creating creative and contemporary works!
Click here to see more photographs of the workshop series and learn how a traditional art form like bookbinding can give rise to new, unexpected interpretations of artworks by exemplary Asian artists.


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Oxford Chemistry Primers
Oxford Chemistry Primers are a series of accessible, concise texts that introduce students to a diverse range of important topics in modern chemistry.
X-ray crystallography, a powerful technique for structure determination, plays a major role in modern research. This primer gives a concise and accessible account of the technique, emphasising its wide-ranging practical application to engineering and the physical and biological sciences.
Focused introductions designed to give students an in-depth understanding of a diverse range of important topics in modern chemistry.
Examples and applications presented throughout help students to see the relevance of the subject to current research and industry.
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William Clegg, Senior Research Investigator, Newcastle University
1:Fundamentals of X-ray crystallography
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The first edition of William (Bill) Cleggs book X-ray Crystallography in the Oxford Primer Series came along at a propitious stage of my teaching career and was a masterpiece of experience in chemical crystallography and clear description. - John R. Helliwell, Acta Cryst. (2017). A73, 8384
The first edition was excellent and great value for money, and so became the mainstay of my recommendations to undergraduates in their core inorganic chemistry courses for many years. Now here is the second edition. It is an honour to be asked to review such a successful teaching book. - John R. Helliwell, Acta Cryst. (2017). A73, 8384
I highly recommend this book to lecturers describing the topic of X-ray crystallography to undergraduate core inorganic chemists as well as to the students themselves taking such a course, who should also rightly consider it a bargain at the price. - John R. Helliwell, Acta Cryst. (2017). A73, 8384
This book is a superb brief overview of X-ray crystallography. - Petra Bombicz, Crystallography Reviews 22:1, 79-81, 2016
The description of the diffraction of X-rays by molecules and crystals, and presentation of the crystal structure solution are explained so clearly that it provides an exquisite basis of in-depth understanding. - Petra Bombicz, Crystallography Reviews 22:1, 79-81, 2016
This book needs to be on your bookshelf if you are not a professor of crystallography, but also if you are a professor of crystallography in order to give it to your students and colleagues. - Petra Bombicz, Crystallography Reviews 22:1, 79-81, 2016
The focus is firmly on the use of x-ray crystallography in chemistry, with the bread-and-butter topic of routine structure determination using in-house equipment being the chief subject. The text is therefore of worldwide appeal, wherever this subject forms part of mainstream chemistry teaching. - Christine Cardin, Chemistry World, September 2015
While there are many accounts of diffraction methods, there are few written so clearly from this perspective and that emphasise the features or issues which arise when analysing typical small molecule crystals. - Christine Cardin, Chemistry World, September 2015
Clegg draws on his own experience to provide illustrative examples - no doubt being useful for students and teachers alike. - Christine Cardin, Chemistry World, September 2015
X-ray crystallography is very focused, as it should be, on the needs of students, and can be confidently recommended to this audience. - Christine Cardin, Chemistry World, September 2015
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When I shut down my laptop last night I noticed that the battery had developed a bulge in it. Not a good thing as it can mean that it can be about about to explode! So I phoned Apple this morning to see what the process was for getting a replacement. They do a fairly good service with a new battery being couriered out to me within 3 days along with a box to return the old battery in.
On the down side this is now the second hardware related thing to go wrong with my Macbook Pro, and it's only 9 months old, with the network port on the logic board frying over Christmas as well. I do use it a lot (like 12 hours a day or more!) but I'm still slightly disappointed as my previous Apple hardware has been a cut above it's PC brethren. The most surprising thing about the call to Apple was the hard sell of the AppleCare plan that the support guy gave me, almost as though you should expect a hardware failure and why was I stupid enough not to have bought the extended warranty.
Not buying extended warranties is just a knee-jerk reaction for me as I used to work for a company which managed them for a major retailer so I know the enourmous profits that are made off these things. But given my experiences so far maybe I should rethink in this case.


Students from Lively District Secondary School will be among young authors from Rainbow Schools being featured in a national anthology of Canadian writers. Three poems and one short story will be published in "Perspective" being released by Polar Expressions Publishing in June.
Destiny Trauner, in Grade 11, wrote Constellations, a poem about the constant stars above, and surviving life's hardships.
Grade 11 student Olivia Gingras penned "Loving You", a poem about the complexities of young love.
Anthony Roberts, in Grade 11, personified the planet in poetic verse through his poem called "Earth".
Grade 12 student Amanda Mayer wrote 'Storyteller', a short story about a mysterious girl who has the power to turn any story into exactly what the listener needs to hear. This is Amanda's second time being published on a national level.
Kyleen Gray, program leader of Literacy and English, has been inspiring students at Lively District Secondary School to express themselves creatively.


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On September 28, 1973, after visiting New York for the annual meeting of the UN General Assembly, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko called on President Nixon in the Oval Office. Earlier the same day, Secretary of State Kissinger forwarded Nixon a memorandum prepared by the NSC staff to prepare him for the meeting. The memorandum reads in part:
"2. Mutual Force Reductions.
"Gromyko's Position will be that if there is to be an agreement that does not damage either side's security, the most reasonable approach would be to reduce by equal percentages. Moreover, he may say that both foreign and national troops should be reduced, though this could be done by stages, and that Moscow does not rule out some initial cuts for symbolic purposes.
"The Western Position, now being debated in NATO, is that the goal of these talks should be to reach numerical parity in Central Europe by setting a common ceiling (at about 700,000). This will mean far greater cuts for the Soviets and the Warsaw Pact than for NATO, in view of their advantage of about 100,000; in the initial stage US and Soviet forces could be cut by about 15 percent (29,000 for the US and 69,000 for the Soviets).
"—You may wish to say that the US and Soviet positions are not that far apart on an initial stage of reductions—that is, a reduction of our respective ground forces by the same percentage up to 15 percent
"—but that this must be done within the context of an overall goal of equality by moving to a common ceiling for both sides.
"—The virtue of numerical parity is that offensive potential is thereby reduced if there is no immediate numerical advantage in the area.
"3. European Security Conference.
"Gromyko may revert to the summit discussion on completing the Conference (now in its committee phase in Geneva) as soon as possible, preferably by year's end. He may also bring up the possibility of a summit level meeting at the end of the Conference. Finally, he may complain that we are not taking a position that would advance the work, but are trying to put pressure on the USSR through the Western proposal for an agreement to facilitate freer movement of people and information.
"Your position:
"—The pace and the form of the final meeting of the Conference depends on the substance. You have told the General Secretary that we will not be the obstacle to progress or to a summit meeting if others agree.
"—Your impression, however, is that the Europeans feel very strongly about the idea of reducing barriers to contacts among the people of Europe, and improving the flow of information.
"—Judging from recent speeches by the General Secretary, he is agreeable to something along this line as long as sovereignty is protected.
"—We can support this position." (National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, NSC Files, Kissinger Office Files, Box 71, Gromyko, 1973)
At the meeting on September 28 in the Oval Office, Nixon and Gromyko, accompanied by Kissinger and Soviet Ambassador Dobrynin, discussed the European security conference and mutual force reductions:
"Gromyko: Now with your permission, may I briefly turn to other matters, having in view the forthcoming summit. We would like very much to have the arrangements and understandings reached on European affairs to be carried into effect as they were talked about at the summit. We appreciate your efforts toward securing positive results for the CSCE. We believe there exists every opportunity for the Conference to achieve good and positive results. It all boils down to the policy of the countries concerned. They could, of course, just sit endlessly and talk. It follows from your discussions with the General Secretary that we have no intentions to prejudice your position in Europe and we feel it will be in both countries' interests to have a positive outcome in the Conference. We should not pay too much attention to talk about US-Soviet deals. We must be above that and we should not be distracted from our policies, because the outcome will be in the interests of all countries regardless of what the shouters may say. After you took office, you yourself pointed to the importance of relations between our two countries.
"Another European question is the agreement to reduce armed forces and armaments. We would like to see a positive outcome. There was a general discussion during the General Secretary's visit and he advanced certain views. I have nothing in particular to add now, but it would be in the best interests of all concerned to make progress on this and the prospects are favorable."
Later in the conversation the President responded.
"The President: On MBFR, I am pleased to say we are not too far apart.
"On CSCE, as I told the General Secretary, we would be pleased to finish by the end of the year and, if others agree, to have a summit for the conclusion, but it is not easy to get a conglomerate of nations together to agree. I happened to be reading a biography of Wellington last night. There were only four countries at the Congress of Vienna, Russia, Prussia, Austria and Britain, and four at the Congress of Paris after the defeat at Waterloo. But it was very difficult. On CSCE, there are very many views but you and we have no particular problems.
"Secretary Kissinger: Mr. President, we now have to get down to concrete issues on this.
"The President: We must agree where we want to come out—I don't mean condominium—otherwise it will be a shambles. I will leave it to the Secretary of State to work out. I made that commitment." (Memorandum of conversation, September 28; ibid.)
Dobrynin, Anatoly F.Gromyko, Andrei A.Kissinger, Henry A.Nixon, Richard M.
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By Bernadette | Published: January 29, 2013
It has been an amazing year, thanks to a bunch of Polish climbers! I've been on the road for most of 2012 promoting my book Freedom Climbers: Canada, the U.S., England, three times to Poland, and in two weeks – India. The trip to India isn't just book promotion, but also to accept the Himalayan Club's Kekoo Naoroji Award for mountaineering literature. This will be the fourth award for the book: Banff mountain Book Festival Grand Prize, Boardman Tasker Prize and American Alpine Club literature award. The book has now been published in Canada, the U.S., the U.K., Poland and Italy. German, French and Spanish editions will be out later this year. As I said – a big year. A huge thank you to everyone who has made it so special, particularly the Polish climbers whose stories I was honored to tell.
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Southern sophomore Dylan Smith drives past Eastern senior Dillon Swatzel (34) during the second half of the Tornadoes' 52-48 sectional semifinal victory, Wednesday night at Meigs High School.
ROCKSPRINGS, Ohio — The Tornadoes took the season series and more importantly the spot in the sectional final.
The Southern boys basketball team —which split the two regular season meetings with archrival Eastern —claimed the third clash of the Meigs County schools by a 52-48 edge, in Wednesday night's Division IV sectional semifinal at Larry R. Morrison Gymnasium, on the campus of Meigs High School.
The 10th-seeded Tornadoes (6-17) started strong offensively, sinking 9-of-19 field goal tries, including 3-of-5 three-point attempts in the opening quarter. The Purple and Gold first quarter defense also came to play, holding the seventh-seeded Eagles (6-15) to 4-of-11 shooting from the field, while forcing five turnovers. SHS outrebounded Eastern by an 11-6 clip in the first period, leading to a 21-9 Tornado advantage on the scoreboard.
The Green and Gold scored the first four points of the second stanza, but the Tornadoes responded with six of the next eight points, on three-pointers by juniors Blake Johnson and Tylar Blevins. Those two trifectas were Southern's only two field goals of the period, however, as Eastern ended the half with an 7-0 run that made the halftime score 27-22 in favor of the Purple and Gold.
Eastern continued its hot stretch to start the second half, scoring seven of the first nine points and tying the game at 29 with 3:52 left in the third quarter. Southern head coach Jeff Caldwell was forced to call a timeout to regroup and the Tornadoes responded with a 7-1 run to end the third.
Southern's 36-30 lead at the start of the fourth quarter, grew to 46-35 with two minutes left in regulation, but the Purple and Gold had to play the remainder without the services of starting point guard Dylan Smith, who had just fouled out.
By the 1:00 mark, Eastern trimmed the deficit to three points, but the Tornadoes scored three of the next four points and led 49-44 with 20 seconds to play.
Eastern junior Jett Facemyer cut the deficit to one possession with a two-pointer at the 17 second mark, but Southern junior Crenson Rogers sank 1-of-2 free throws with 13 seconds left, making the SHS lead 50-46. Facemyer cut the lead to two points with six seconds left, and the Eagles fouled Rogers again with four seconds on the clock. The Southern center hit both free throws to drive the final nail in the 52-48 victory.
Rogers paced the Purple and Gold with 19 points and nine rebounds, while Blevins added 19 points and six boards. Trey Pickens posted six points and four rebounds, Smith added five points and a game-best six assists, while Johnson chipped in with three points and a team-high two steals. Rogers and Jaylen Blanks each recorded one steal and one block for the Tornado defense.
Facemyer charged the Eagle offense with 24 points, including 14 in the fourth quarter. EHS senior Dillon Swatzel recorded a double-double with 11 points and 13 rebounds, while Cameron Richmond had five points, seven rebounds and two assists.
Corbett Catlett scored five points, Austin Coleman added two points and a team-best four steals, while Ross Keller marked one point and six rebounds. Chase Curtis didn't score in the setback, but pulled in four rebounds and dished out two assists. Swatzel posted one steal and one block for the Eagle defense.
For the game, Eastern held a 36-to-22 rebounding advantage, including an 18-to-5 edge on the offensive glass. Southern finished with 13 assists, five steals, three blocks and 13 turnovers, while EHS had seven assists, seven steals, one block and 11 turnovers.
The Tornadoes — who have won three consecutive games — shot 9-of-14 (64.3 percent) from the free throw line and 18-of-39 (46.2 percent) from the field, including 7-of-14 (50 percent) from beyond the arc. The Eagles — who missed all nine of their three-point attempts — shot 19-of-57 (33.3 percent) from the field and 10-of-16 (62.5 percent) from the charity stripe.
Southern — which fell to EHS by a 54-44 count on January 12, in Racine — also defeated the Green and Gold on February 12, by a 53-45 final in Tuppers Plains. The Tornadoes never trailed in their victory at Eastern.
This is the fourth time in the last decade that SHS and EHS have met in the postseason, with Southern holding a 3-1 edge. Last season, Southern topped the Eagles by a 66-57 final in the sectional semifinal at MHS, and just like last year, the Tornadoes will meet South Gallia in the sectional championship game in Larry R. Morrison Gymnasium.
The second-seeded Rebels, went 2-0 against SHS this season with a 65-50 victory in Racine on December 12, and a 67-47 triumph in Mercerville on January 30.
Even though they're knocked out of the postseason, the Eagles will have a chance to end the season on a high-note, as the Green and Gold will visit Federal Hocking in a makeup game on February 26. EHS claimed its first win of the season over FHHS on January 8, by a 57-45 count in Tuppers Plains. That will be the final game for Eagle seniors Ross Keller, Chase Curtis, Ty Bissell, Cameron Richmond and Dillon Swatzel.


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