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Geek Evolution: Let go of your anger, be a Better Nerd
July 31, 2012 Ashley F. Millerborder patrolling, bullying, doctor who, geeks, inclusion, nerds, Star Wars24 Comments
by Nicholas Thurkettle
I have known Ashley for a few years now, and I think she would agree geekdom has been a foundational pillar of our friendship from the very start. And so when she started on this topic I felt like this was a conversation in which I could participate, and she has been good enough to lend me some space on her rabble-rousing e-billboard here.
I have to confess I was, for a long time, on the wrong side of the argument she describes. I used to talk about latter-day self-labeling geeks as wearing the equivalent of fake prison ink. I am part of the last generation that experienced adolescence without the Internet being a significant presence in our lives – the year I graduated from high school, 1995, was the year in which commercialization of the Internet took off with the decommissioning of the National Science Foundation's NSFNET. At the time, I was in an economics class that played the game of investing imaginary dollars in the stock market. One of my teammates kept suggesting we throw every piece of play money at this thing called America On-Line. We didn't listen. He's wealthier than I am now.
But the difference I will have to describe to the younger generation from now on was that, pre-Internet, it really was possible to feel utterly alone in your geekdom. But for the two or three friends who could be talked into staying up all night to watch The Trilogy (there was only one back then), it was difficult to conceive that there was a vast world of us out there. And, even if we could rationally-accept that there was, it didn't do our daily sense of isolation much good.
Nowadays, of course, there is this astonishing and galvanizing sense of instant community that can be created around any obsession, and Geekdom has become a powerful nation influencing affairs all over the cultural planet. And as Ashley and many others have rightly pointed out, we ought to celebrate that, and be grateful the next spawning of lovely nerds won't share our suffering.
But until recently, I clung to the tribulational aspect of my nerd youth. It's easy to love Doctor Who now. Hop in the TARDIS and try loving Doctor Who in 1989. That's not for sissies.
As I reflect honestly on it, though, I really wasn't actively bullied much in the classic sense. It was more a sense of being frozen out, and not understood. There was this pretty, glittering party of a world that the popular people were running, and my kind just didn't fit there, and I perceived that in a million baffled looks and dead-ended conversations. But part of my maturation has been to realize that basically everyone feels left out of something; and the most successful, popular person around is, inside, probably as messed-up and uncertain about life as I am. I now realize most of the crowd ever meant any harm. And I think time grew my grievances as it can so often do.
Wasn't it our comfort in those times that the things we prioritized – imagination and the deep commitment and knowledge that comes from loving something to a truly-geeky extent – was worth more than the fleeting goose honks that passed for What Matters among the superficial crowd? I know I believed it. The key question here is – did you really believe that when you said it or not?
Because if you do, then suffering is not intrinsic to being a nerd. We don't have to be scorned for the way we love in order for that love to be valid. To hold on to that anger is, to an extent, to grant the vaporous and unslayable Thems of our past the premise we always claimed to reject – that to be this way is weird, wrong, and so rare and useless as to be vestigial to right society.
So I am relieved to come clean and say I was wrong. A positive definition of nerddom can emancipate us from old anger.
I do believe, though, that is still possible, and even defensible, to watch that these labels of geek and nerd, which we have reclaimed from derision, not be embraced too cheaply by too wide a crowd. Because then we risk them not having a definition at all.
I'll use an analogy so dated as to be almost useless, except that I know the nerdiest among you will go to Wikipedia to read about it and will probably think it's cool that you learned something today: if a hardcore Bob Dylan fan told you that you can't call yourself a REAL Bob Dylan fan unless you own the non-commercial release versions of the Newport Bootlegs, then you might well say that person was being clannish, superior, and intentionally-obscure. What I hope we are trying is to keep geekdom at large from that status.
But if you heard someone say that they were a HUGE Bob Dylan fan, and when you asked them what they loved about him, they replied that they had just heard that "let's get stoned" song of his on the radio and thought it was cool, I am saying you would be damn right to be irritated. Because that is not even the song's name, and a nerd wouldn't get something like that wrong if the word "nerd" still means anything.
I am not saying there should be barriers to entry in our big nerdy tent – anyone could be a nerd about something. But it does take at least a little bit of work, some genuine and proactive embrace of thing beyond what can be passively-digested, to earn the label.
This is not nerding, this is being a couch potato.
We do agree that what makes a nerd a nerd is that he or she is not superficial about that over which they nerd. I don't want us to shy from that. I want to retain and recognize the right – if someone wants to refer to themselves as a nerd or a geek about something – to see them demonstrate that they have bothered to delve into it; even to watch/read/listen to/play it more than once (can we get a ruling on that, at least?) Any rock band will tell you that just buying a T-shirt so people can see you wear it doesn't make you a real fan, and we ought to listen to wisdom like that; because in the greatest days of rock, the best rockers were massive nerds.
If your friend bought a ticket to The Avengers, saw The Avengers, and liked The Avengers, that makes your friend a movie fan, not a nerd. And that's okay. If they call themselves a nerd based just on that, I think we nerds have earned cuffing them (good-naturedly, I now stress) over it.
Now, maybe they saw it, and felt compelled to talk to you about how they think Nick Fury is a badass. And you enthusiastically agree, but lament that movie Nick Fury didn't have the "Steranko Gun". Your friend wonders what that means. They do a little reading (you lend them a book or two, don't you?) And then they come with you to the comic store for hardback collections, because they have decided that They. Love. Nick. Fury. And they Must. Know. More. Now you are serving your friend well. Graciously welcome them to Geekdom. Find out what they nerd out about, because they probably have nerded out over something in their lives before and didn't realize that's what they were doing. Soap opera fans? Huge nerds. Also pro wrestling fans – but I repeat myself.
We have a responsibility, in being Better Nerds, not just to let go of grievances, but to articulate what makes us nerds to begin with, and what makes that a good thing to be in this blessed time for all things nerdy. If the isolation of the positive aspects of nerddom – that commitment and attention to detail and admiration for the artists who entertain us – is what will rescue it from past traumas, it can also be what protects the label from spreading out and being commoditized to meaninglessness. It is not earned by pain. But I say it is still earned.
We have an opportunity here, what with this staggering volume of delicious geek product being served to us, to show people not just how to love something cool, but how rewarding it is to love it in the way a nerd does. Just about every woman I have dated has been a nerd of some kind, and I feel lucky for it. Truly – once you go nerd, you don't go back to the herd. That commitment and joy in discovery makes for a great partner.
If there is some lingering irritation at the latecomers to our party, let's decide that it is only to protect what we think makes our ways valuable, and let it be welcomingly-simple to dispatch – you don't owe us anything. You can be a nerd too; just do as nerds do.
Nicholas Thurkettle is a member of the Writers Guild of America, and in his life has authored screenplays, stage plays, prose fiction, newspaper and magazine features, film criticism, millions of words' worth of blog posts, corporate training videos, ghost-written office dinner party jokes, and was once nearly hired to write an erotic virtual comic book, but was passed over despite that he had a fantastic story pitch for it. His blog can be found at NicholasThurkettle.com
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Video Dragon*Con 2011: Do Be a Dick
July 30, 2012 Ashley F. Millerdragon*con, skeptrack, speaking, tam9, video6 Comments
This is the talk I gave at Dragon*Con last year, which was itself an expansion on the talk I gave at TAM9. It's about how to use emotions to your advantage when trying to promote a cause. I talk about Prop 8, the importance of social justice in getting people to like atheists, and how to be a dick in an effective way.
The powerpoint and notes for the presentation are here: http://freethoughtblogs.com/ashleymiller/2011/09/06/do-be-a-dick-sometimes-emotions-and-skeptics/
Stop making geek culture be about how you were bullied
July 28, 2012 Ashley F. Millerbully, geek, girl geeks, greta christina, it gets better, joe peacock, john scalzi78 Comments
Update: More thoughts here.
To my mind, being a geek is a lot like being gay or being atheist. These are things that can be completely invisible to an outsider. No one in high school knew I went home and wrote Hercules fanfiction. No one knew the fathomless depths of my geekery.
Greta Christina has a wonderful post about how, as being gay has become more normal, the people who are out are also becoming more normal. Normal, to most outcast's minds, is a bad thing. If there's one thing you can comfort yourself with when you're an outsider, it's the feeling that you're better than the people who are, as you see it, "insiders". Greta says the same thing is going to happen with atheists — we're going to stop being statistically smart and amazing on average, and start being just sort of average. Because what we're working towards is acceptance, and when coming out isn't difficult, more people come out — no bravery required, no willful pride necessary, any and all may apply.
I think that this is the same as what has happened with geek culture, and it has pissed off a lot of old geeks. They feel that new geeks have not paid their dues to be able to call themselves that. You weren't bullied? Well, then you're not a *real* geek. I used the term "hipster geek" in my previous post, which I basically took from John Scalzi, and while that expresses the attitude accurately in some ways, it doesn't explain the why.
Being a geek in high school for most people is hard. It is as hard in some places as being out and gay. And unlike being gay, there is no nerd-jock alliance in high school. There's no Geek Student Alliance. When, to be who you are, you have had to go through hell, it can be very irritating that there are people who didn't go through hell and claim to be the same as you.
"Oh, you grew up in San Francisco with hippie parents who drove you and your same-sex partner to the movies before you could drive, well I grew up in the Deep South where coming out meant I was beaten up every day, therefore you don't really know what it's like to be gay."
We all want to be understood and when you're tortured, you want to have gotten something from it. If you're tortured and it doesn't mean anything, that's so much worse than if your torture earns you something, some sort of credibility, some part of a special club of people who overcame. But the reality is, being bullied doesn't earn you anything. It doesn't make you a better person, it doesn't make you higher ranked in the world of geekdom, gayness, or atheism, and it doesn't even always give you insight into the world, though sometimes it can. Being bullied is simply a horrible thing that happens to people.
Someone calling themselves "…" responded to my previous post about who gets to be a geek and said the following things:
Some of us paid our dues is what I'm saying. "sexism in geekdom"? When I was growing up, all – and I mean all – girls at my school would have rather been sent to Saudi Arabia than be called geeks.
And that, in a nutshell, is why geek culture is male dominated.
Anyway, my point was that there are some of us who paid our dues in that area. It's not about being "hipster", it's about a certain annoyance that comes from people who would have treated you like you were carrying a radioactive strain of leprosy back in the day now finding it's cool to like LotR. It's irritating to say the least.
I'm fully aware that that tiny handful of geek girls who existed – and they were a tiny handful, don't even pretend otherwise – had as rough a time as the rest of us. But I find this rapid retroactive identification with geekdom… suspicious. Yes, it's quite astonishing how many people were geeks back then nowadays. It's a wonder that there was any other kind of person around in the schools at all… It's a bit like the Jewish population explosion in vichy France, isn't it?
That's true, but it is also true that girls were some of the most viciously anti-geek ones, and it is true that many of the blows we soaked up was because the guys in question wanted to impress the pretty girls, who were not above egging that sort of thing on.
There's another point; yes, it sucks that girls got ostracised at times by other geeks, but being a geek meant you got ostracised by definition. And geek fratricide is hardly uknown. If you objected to one group, why didn't you form your own? That's what I did, and let me tell you, I didn't get any approval or help. You talk about the community… back then there wasn't a community. There was just what you and the tiny handful like you could put together. You scraped it together as best you could, and only for one reason, because you loved it, and if you couldn't – tough. People would be disgusted that you even tried, let alone that you were upset when it didn't work.
I am simply repeating, for the last time now, that there are very good reasons why geekdom is traditionally clannish and insular, and it might be nice to see that reflected. You know, just for accuracy and politeness sakes.
You read this and you can see, he is pissed off. Leaving aside his troubling loathing of women because of how he perceived the "pretty girls" in high school, he is pissed off that he had to work so damn hard at something that other people aren't having to work hard at. He is pissed off that some girls made fun of him in high school and made him feel bad about himself and that some girls now claim that they are geeks too. Maybe even some of those same girls!
I think this attitude is incredibly fucked up. I think it's time to let go of the anger.
Most people feel like outcasts in high school, even those people the rest of us thought were cool. What the commenter is doing, and what a lot of geek guys are doing, is creating definitions of what is cool enough for them to accept you. You have to pass their "geek" test. As a geek, I find this border patrolling deeply embarrassing.
As it happens, when I was in high school, most of the self-described geeks I knew were girls. Monty Python club? Mostly girls. Yearbook, newspaper, lit mag, math team, academic decathlon, religion club… all of these were dominated by girls. I don't interpret that to mean that boys are less legitimately geeky.
Was I bullied? Sure. At home moreso than by my peers, but both. I was told I would always be unhappy, that I would never find a boy who would date me, that "guys don't make passes at girls who wear glasses", that I was too fat even for nerds to want to date, that if I didn't drink I wasn't a real teenager, that playing games with my friends was going to make me die a virgin, that I would marry the first boy that would have me out of desperation, that not going to the football games or pep rallies signified a deeply troubled mind, that hanging out with my teachers instead of my fellow students was bad.
And by boys who were geeks I was told that I was too intimidating, that a girl who was better at them than a game was a problem, that a girl who knew more about movies than them was cool but not really, that I could kick their ass on Star Wars trivia was threatening.
And if a kid today can go through high school watching movies and writing fanfiction and having monty python club and participating in acadec and reading comics and no one thinks less of them for it: AWESOME. If everyone, including Joe Peacock's "6 of 9s", wants to embrace their inner weirdness and smartness and they can do that without it being embarrassing, fuck yeah! That's amazing! I wish I had been so lucky, and maybe me pushing the boundaries a little helped them. Maybe I made the world a little bit better for people who like the same things I like! Maybe the world sucks a little less now than it did then. Or maybe now I am trying to make the bullying meaningful.
Being a geek shouldn't be about a persecution complex. It shouldn't be about being better than other people. It shouldn't be about bullying people who want to be your friend now because of what you think they may have been like in high school. It should be about embracing people for being themselves and being grateful that they can be themselves when they are with you.
Everyone is a geek, even the hot chicks
July 27, 2012 Ashley F. Millerawesome, comic con, cosplay, feminism, geeks, girl geeks, john scalzi, whatever36 Comments
You simply must go read this piece from John Scalzi, it is too brilliant. Some jerk on CNN posted about how the attractive women who just go to Comic Con to dress in revealing cosplay outfits aren't real geeks and are only there to get the attention. John Scalzi has an appropriate response, which was more intelligent than my initial, "Fuck that noise."
Who gets to be a geek?
Anyone who wants to be, any way they want to be one.
Geekdom is a nation with open borders. There are many affiliations and many doors into it. There are lit geeks, media geeks, comics geeks, anime and manga geeks. There are LARPers, cosplayers, furries, filkers, crafters, gamers and tabletoppers. There are goths and horror geeks and steampunkers and academics. There are nerd rockers and writers and artists and actors and fans. Some people love only one thing. Some people flit between fandoms. Some people are positively poly in their geek enthusiasms. Some people have been in geekdom since before they knew they were geeks. Some people are n00bs, trying out an aspect of geekdom to see if it fits. If it does, great. If it doesn't then at least they tried it.
Many people believe geekdom is defined by a love of a thing, but I think — and my experience of geekdom bears on this thinking — that the true sign of a geek is a delight in sharing a thing. It's the major difference between a geek and a hipster, you know: When a hipster sees someone else grooving on the thing they love, their reaction is to say "Oh, crap, now the wrong people like the thing I love." When a geek sees someone else grooving on the thing they love, their reaction is to say "ZOMG YOU LOVE WHAT I LOVE COME WITH ME AND LET US LOVE IT TOGETHER."
Any jerk can love a thing. It's the sharing that makes geekdom awesome.
I am a geek, though I used to identify a lot more with that title than I do now. A lot of the reason behind that is that I often felt excluded, like I had to prove my geekiness more because I was female and don't look like one of the comic book nerds in The Simpsons. Like I had to prove my geekiness at all. I don't like Magic, OK, I'm not into your card games, isn't that fine? Can't I just really like to talk about Harry Potter and watch movies and read graphic novels. Seriously, someone talk to me about Harry Potter, I can go for days. Not even joking. Let me link you to my old fanfiction — LOL nope.
Do I have to know how to tap mana and build roads in Settlers of Catan and know who the Cylons are? Cuz I don't really know any of that stuff, I probably just said all that wrong. And I absolutely hate playing RPGs like D&D because other people are so damn slow at making decisions. KILL ME NOW.
I'm still a geek though. I've spoken at Comic Con, so I'm legit.
Geek culture is male dominated, and that's fine, but it often means that it's less than perfectly female friendly. And there is a general sense of "oppression from being different" that many geeks have, a sense that normal people are bad. Normal people are preppy or cheerleaders or cool and they're all mean to geeks. But somehow a lot of geeky stuff is mainstream now, and instead of being all HOLY HELL LOOK AT ALL THIS AWESOMENESS some of the "hipster geeks" are all like "well I was a geek before it was cool". OH BLOW ME. Let us all be people who embrace weird shit and share our passions with one another! Even the cheerleaders who like Twilight and the jocks who like Game of Thrones.
More awesomeness from Scalzi in the comments:
As with any culture, its aspirations are sometimes confounded by the real live people in it.
Brad R. Torgersen: "I think Joe Peacock is simply expressing despair over the fact that to be geek is now chic."
If only he could have done it in a manner less antagonistically sexist.
Lila: "I'm curious: do people ever accuse a male of just pretending to be a geek for attention?"
I have yet to hear of such a construction.
I'm serious. I want to give this man a "fighting sexism in geekdom because it's the right thing to do" medal. Is that a thing? Can it be a thing?
Bloggers defeat Nikki Haley and The State Newspaper
July 26, 2012 Ashley F. Millerfitsnews, logan smith, nikki haley, reddit, South Carolina, the state newspaper, will folks11 Comments
Today, having dropped the ball massively by spiking the story initially, The State finally released the story about Nikki Haley's daughter being given a job under her mother's control.
I cannot take full credit for this, not with Will Folks and Logan Smith doing admirable jobs covering the story as well, and not with people on Facebook, Freethoughtblogs, and Reddit being the ones who kept the story alive and sent people to my website. You guys are incredible, way to use the net for good and awesome.
At least 20,000 people were informed from my site alone of The State choosing to unpublish a story because Governor Nikki Haley asked them to. This doesn't include all the people who saw the headline and never clicked the link, which I'm sure is a huge number as well. The state treasurer's office got in touch with me just to reach out and say they saw the post. Just a hey, how's it going, saw your post, we're cool.
What does The State have to say?
A draft of this article — identified as not ready for publication — improperly was published last week on websites in Rock Hill and Charlotte, and in the printed edition of the Rock Hill newspaper. Rock Hill and Charlotte are "sister" publications to The State, operating inside a common computer system that allows each to see what the other is writing. At the time, the article was being held so The State could pursue answers to additional questions.
Weirdly enough, the last info they seem to have gotten is from a full week ago. Oh well, better late than never, right?
The good thing is that I'm not a gloater. Because if one was to gloat, I'd have to be all BAM, take that jerks! What's up now? Yeah!
Chick-fil-A pretends to be a girl for PR reasons, is caught
July 25, 2012 Ashley F. Millerabby farle, chick-fil-a, christian, facebook, fake profile, Gay Rights, george takei74 Comments
This is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. H/t to George Takei for posting it. Chick-fil-A has been horrific to gay people for a long time, I am glad that they've finally been outspoken enough about it to cause everyday people to start protesting.
The story is this: the founder's son/COO said CFA money was going to fight gay marriage so Jim Henson announced they would not partner with Chick-fil-A in the future. Chick-fil-A suddenly discovered that the Muppet toys they were giving out were defective and announced they would no longer be giving them out. Obviously, many people think that they dropped the toys because Jim Henson called them on being homo-haters, but Chick-fil-A is sticking to its story… an making up fake Facebook accounts to do the dirty work for them.
"Abby Farle" is a FB account created by Chick-fil-A to promote the lie that the toys had been removed weeks ago. I guess the logic being that if someone who isn't the store makes a claim that is untrue, no one can be mad at the company for lying.
Except social media under the scrutiny of tens of thousands of people is not the best place to use easily found stock photos as your head shot or to start a profile only a few hours ahead of when you post to a company's website. Especially if that's the only thing the fake account does.
So, not only did CFA create a profile to enable them to lie, they made her super Christian, and they didn't make her convincingly. CFA was caught in the act 2 hours after they began the lie. The internet is sometimes a beautiful thing, but companies are sometimes incredibly stupid at what they think they can get away with.
Dear everyone, when you get caught doing something bad, just admit it, because then it won't be a story. This? This is a story.
UPDATE: Here is screencap of the stockphoto for those who think it isn't the same girl:
UPDATE2: Personal message to Chick-fil-A
Alexander Hamilton: Badass
July 25, 2012 Ashley F. Milleralexander hamilton, lin-manuel miranda, Obama, poetry, white house4 Comments
I didn't know all of this about Alexander Hamilton, this is incredible.
Writer and star of the Broadway musical In the Heights, Lin-Manuel Miranda performs "The Hamilton Mixtape" at the White House Evening of Poetry, Music, and the Spoken Word on May 12, 2009. Accompanied by Alex Lacamoire.
How does a bastard, orphan, son of a whore
And a Scotsman, dropped in the middle of a forgotten spot
In the Carribbean, by Providence impoverished, to squalor
Grow up to be a hero and a scholar?
The ten-dollar Founding Father without a father
Got a lot farther
By workin' a lot harder
By bein' a lot smarter
By bein' a self-starter
By fourteen they had placed him in charge of the trade and charter
And every day while slaves were being slaughtered
And carted away across the waves
Our Hamilton kept his guard up
Inside he was longing for something to be a part of
The brother was ready to beg steal borrow or barter
Then a hurricane came and
Devastation reigned and
Our man saw his future drip drippin' down the drain
Put a pencil to his temple
Connected it to his brain
And he wrote his first refrain
A testament to his pain
When the word got around, they said, "This kid is insane, man!"
Took up a collection just to send him to the mainland
Getcha education, don't forget from whence you came
And the world is gonna know your name!
What's your name, man?
Alexander Hamilton. His name is Alexander Hamilton
And there's a million things he hasn't done
But just you wait. Just you wait
When he was 10, his father split
Full of it, debt-ridden
Two years later, see Alex and his mother, bed-ridden
Half-dead, sittin' in their own sick
The scent thick
And Alex got better but his mother went quick
Moved in with a cousin. The cousin committed suicide
Left him with nothin' but ruined pride
Somethin' new inside, a voice
Saying Alex, you gotta fend for yourself
He started retreatin'
And readin'
Every treatise on the shelf
There would've been nothin' left to do
For someone less astute
He would've been dead and destitute
Without a cent of restitution
Started workin'
Clerkin' for his late mother's landlord
Tradin' sugar cane and rum and other things he can't afford
Scannin' for every book he can get his hands on
Plannin' for the future, see him now
As he stands on the bow of a ship headed for a new land
In New York you can be a new man
The ship is in the harbor now
See if you can spot him
Another immigrant comin' up from the bottom
His enemies destroyed his rep, America forgot him
And me? I'm the damn fool that shot him
We were waiting in the weeds for you
You could never back down
You always had to speak your mind
But Alexander Hamilton, we could never take your deeds from you
In our cowardice and our shame
We will try to destroy your name
The world will never be the same, Alexander!
Yeah, I'm the damn genius that shot him
The importance of sexual identification in AIDS rates
July 24, 2012 Ashley F. MillerAIDS, HIV, poverty and hiv, race and AIDS, sexuality7 Comments
Gregory in Seattle left the following comment on my AIDS post yesterday and I thought it was worth reposting in its own right.
You might find this of interest: an interactive map giving the HIV infection rates in the US by county, per 100,000 population. According to the CDC, about 25% of Americans, aged 13 or older, with HIV are women. Of them, 64% are African American. Of all the people with HIV in the US, an estimated 20% do not know they have the virus.
I'm a member of the Community Advisory Board for the Seattle HIV Vaccine Trials Unit. We've discussed the racial and regional disparity of the pandemic in the US. Education and religion are parts, but there is also a strong element of identification. Many African American men who have sex with men do not self-identify as gay: they do not march in parades, they do not go to bath houses, they do not fall in love and build a common life with other men. Being gay is a white thing, and the popular sentiment is that only gay people get HIV.* This identification divide exists even in major cities on the coasts. Because much of the outreach over the last 20 years has focused almost exclusively on gay men and has been done through gay newspapers and through outreaches to bars and pride events, nearly all of the "Be Safe" message never reaches them.
Another huge issue is the availability of low-cost, anonymous testing resources. It is established that people who can get tested are much more likely to get tested, and that provides an opportunity for education. Tests can cost around $50 if paid for retail, and few insurance companies will cover them. Even if you have that kind of money, in much of the south getting a test means either driving a hundred miles or more to a city where you can be tested anonymously or explain to your personal physician why you think you need such a test. The result is that people just don't get one.
So yeah, a lot needs to change before HIV rates in the black south will change.
(*) It is conveniently ignored by the people pushing the "gay = HIV" lie is that, as of the end of 2010, about 2/3rds of the people on the planet with HIV lived in sub-Saharan Africa. That in several countries in southern Africa — South Africa, Swaziland, Lesotho — 15% to 28% of the adult population is HIV+. That about 10% of all people with HIV are children aged 14 or younger, and that most of those got it from infected mothers either transvaginally during birth or from the virus expressing itself in breast milk. That of all adults on the planet with HIV, 56% are women. And that since 2006, HIV/AIDS is the leading cause of death among women in their reproductive years.
It is pretty damn grim.
He also pointed me to the following collection of links from a presentation he gave for MENSA recently.
HIV and AIDS: Past, Present & Future – The PowerPoint file used at the talk, with slides that did not make it into the presentation.
National HIV and STD Testing Resources – A database maintained by the Centers for Disease Control that can help you find testing sites in the United States.
Latest information from the CDC – An interactive map that lets you get national and state information about HIV and sexually transmitted diseases.
Persons Living With an HIV Diagnosis, 2009 – An interactive map showing HIV prevalence rates by US county.
Global HIV and AIDS information – The latest global and national information.
HIV Vaccine Trials Network – The network of 20 full time and 9 associate sites working find a vaccine for HIV.
2010: A global view of HIV infection – The world map used in the presentation, will annotations.
World AIDS Day Report, 2011 – The annual report of the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS.)
Nikki Haley censors The State Newspaper
July 23, 2012 Ashley F. Millercensorship, charlotte observer, government job, mainstream media, nepotism, nikki haley, rena haley, the state, unemployment34 Comments
Nikki Haley got her 14-year-old daughter a job working for the state — a thirty hour a week job that is paid for with taxpayer money. The State Newspaper and Charlotte Observer reported this online and the governor's office immediately made them take the story down. Did you know that the governor could do that?
There are some, including Nikki Haley herself, who say that the children of politicians should be off-limits. There are others who say that Nikki Haley has gotten her husband a $65,000 state job with benefits, her brother-in-law a state job at MUSC, and her chief-of-staff's wife a $50,000 part-time state job and her forcing others to hire her family should be the subject of scrutiny. Or at least, these reporters thought it was news until they got a phone call telling them to get rid of it. According to the Free Times:
Both papers apparently published the story before getting the memo that it had been spiked. That's a news industry term for when a reporter's story is killed by editors or publishers, and can sometimes come from a politician, corporation or outside entity putting pressure on a news organization to yank a piece it is planning to run.
The governor contacted officials at The State and the paper apparently agreed to kill it, but the story was still in McClatchy's system, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. McClatchy owns The State and cross-publishes stories that appear in the Capital City daily in other out-of-town content-sharing papers.
The story was up long enough for others to see the story and see that it had been taken down. Which led to this bit of Sarah Palin-esque hysteria from the governor, who wants to turn it into a story of the Mama Grizzly whose children have been attacked by reporters trying to figure out if Governor Haley, not her daughter, has broken any laws.
Scrutiny of me comes with the territory of being governor. I expect it. But it's a sad day for journalism in South Carolina when The State newspaper goes after my 14 year old daughter. Public officials have a right to expect that their minor children are off limits from political opponents and even from biased media outlets like The State. Its disgusting. Shame on them.
There were some gems in the comments section though.
Wondering if the 300+ posters above actually read the article or can comprehend it??
It wasn't about the daughter… it was about the daughter getting a job at a store run by a cabinet under DIRECT control of the Gov… No job openings were posted.. People took a cut in hours to accommodate the new employees hours…
Its about a total abuse of power by Gov. Nikki. Jeremy Mitchum
I'm glad to see Nikky Haley has found her FOURTEEN year old daughter a 30 hour a week job that is payed for with taxpayer money. With all the tax payer money Haley seems to wanna save, cutting important programs such as ones to help people with aids and ones for rape survivors (that's a "distraction") it seems she wouldn't make taxpayers pay her daughters paychecks. Jimmy Dowling
I do not understand this article as an attack on your daughter. It's an attack against you and the way you have used your office to impose nepotism on various agencies, which when I worked for the state was definitively spelled out as a big NO-NO. Shame on you again Gov Haley for using an old political trick for twisting words to lend sympathy to your out of bounds actions. BTW, you are the politician screaming 'foul' and trying to make your own child the object of scorn here. Shame on you again. Pat Lee-Bosworth
You got your daughter a state job and expected no backlash? That's like calling Papa John's not not expecting a pizza. Vic Scaricamazza
Is it a story? Not a big one in the scheme of things, less of a story than the 10% unemployment rate in the state, less of a story than Nikki Haley vetoing important spending. But it's also part of those stories. And part of a new story, the story of how the governor of South Carolina controls the media a little more than I am comfortable with. Remember, even though the Republican governor can control what the paper publishes, the mainstream media is controlled by liberals.
UPDATE: 7/26 The State has re-released the story, thanks for putting pressure on her internet!
AIDS in the South: Religion is the enemy of social justice
July 23, 2012 Ashley F. MillerAIDS, hiv rates, poverty and hiv, race and AIDS, religion in the south, South Carolina5 Comments
The South is the new epicenter of HIV transmission — half of all new infection happen here, though we have less than a third of the American population. South Carolina is 8th in the nation for rates of HIV, but other southern states are doing poorly as well. Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi, Texas… HIV is not going away. And there's more bad news, if you get HIV in the south, you're more likely to die from it.
So why is everybody getting AIDS? Well, you could look at our education scores, our poverty levels, our resistance to decent health care coverage, the rural populations with little access to doctors, or the Bible thumping hatred of homos that makes people terrified to get tested or admit they've contracted the disease.
Those making under $10,000 are three times more likely to get HIV than those making $50,000+. People making under $10,000 a year can't afford medicine and doctor visits, they can't afford to be driven to where they can get tested and get treatment.
And in the south, most poor people are black. According to the Washington Post, one in five gay black men in the south has HIV.
Researchers say that African Americans in the South are especially likely to see homosexuality as immoral. In response, gay black men in the South often live on the "down low," leading ostensibly straight lives with girlfriends and wives while having sex with men.
"In the African American community, men who are gay are more likely to hide their sexual activity," said Saag, who also directs a HIV clinic in Birmingham. "So it's more common for the virus to spread from gay men to heterosexual women."
Good work, Good Book. Religion is also to thank for the limited sex education provided in many of the southern states. Abstinence only education? Not great for telling people how to use condoms when they act on hormones or get married. Combine that approach with the Nikki Haley-esque Christian Conservative approach to healthcare, and you find a lot of people who get missed by healthcare. 25% of people with HIV in SC live in rural areas, care for people far from urban centers is difficult, even more so when your state refuses to fund or accept funding to help them.
So what can be done? The Washington Post again:
Many who work with HIV patients including Saag, the Birmingham HIV clinic director, are trying to win over churches. Many say that churches in the South often foster HIV stigma, presenting the disease as part of a sinful gay lifestyle. Saag and others are working to persuade pastors to see HIV as a health problem rather than a moral issue. Some observers are hoping that the new Affordable Care Act will improve HIV care in the South, and elsewhere, by increasing funds for Medicare and Medicaid recipients.
You know what else can be done? Increase the stigma of being a Christian who thinks that helping the poor is bad and being gay is a sin. Accept that if you're not black and not gay, you've got a lot of privilege and need to work really hard to understand that other people have it worse than you. We are not all given equal circumstances. As a white woman in this state, my chances of getting HIV are incredibly small and it's got nothing to do with my choices and everything to do with how I was born. If I'd been born a gay black man, I'd have a 20% chance of being HIV positive, which is five hundred times my risk as a white woman.
Why am I telling you this? Because you should care. Because social justice issues should be important to atheists. Because religion hurts people. And we can do something about it.
Have some stats from the glorious state of South Carolina:
Who has HIV:
04.6% are white women (34.7% of population)
19.4% are white men (33.8% of population)
25.0% are black women (14.2% of population)
46.9% are black men (14.9% of population)
Demographics of the state:
34.7% are white women
33.8% are white men
14.2% are black women
14.9% are black men
(15% of the population makes up almost half the HIV cases)
Percentage of Population w/HIV:
0.04% of white women
0.19% of white men
1.07% of black men
0.51% of black women
Or look at it this way:
1 in 100 black men
1 in 200 black women
1 in 600 white men
1 in 2500 white women
White men are 4.3 times as likely to get HIV than white women.
Black women are 12 times more likely to get HIV than white women, and 2.7 times more likely to get HIV than white men.
Black men are 25 times more likely to get HIV than white women, 5.7 times more likely to get HIV than white men, and over twice as likely to get HIV than black women.
http://www.census.gov/popest/data/state/asrh/2011/SC-EST2011-03.html
http://www.dhec.sc.gov/health/disease/sts/docs/cntyrate_2010.pdf


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Great Interview with Lilja Sigurdardóttir Author of Snare
Posted on November 8, 2017 November 8, 2017 by Benjamin Thomas
After a messy divorce, attractive young mother Sonia is struggling to provide for herself and keep custody of her son. With her back to the wall, she resorts to smuggling cocaine into Iceland, and finds herself caught up in a ruthless criminal world. As she desperately looks for a way out of trouble, she must pit her wits against her nemesis, Bragi, a customs officer, whose years of experience frustrate her new and evermore daring strategies. Things become even more complicated when Sonia embarks on a relationship with a woman, Agla. Once a high-level bank executive, Agla is currently being prosecuted in the aftermath of the Icelandic financial crash. Set in a Reykjavík still covered in the dust of the Eyjafjallajökull volcanic eruption, and with a dark, fast-paced and chilling plot and intriguing characters, Snare is an outstandingly original and sexy Nordic crime thriller, from one of the most exciting new names in crime fiction.
Excellence from Iceland
Lilja Sigurdardóttir – Author of Snare
What's it like living in Iceland?
It's great living in Iceland! Except for the weather of course. It´s a rather big volcanic and geographically new Island with very few people on it. The whole Icelandic nation is only 330 thousand people. But we host over a million tourists each year so it is lively and fun. Every town in Iceland is close to nature so outdoorsy people love it there. I don't consider myself outdoorsy but I still enjoy the occasional walk out in nature. We have a rather strong welfare system in line with the other Nordic countries and a mixed economy so people have a good living standard and are generally healthy with a long life expectancy. That's why it seems odd that Nordic writers write so much crime fiction as the Nordic countries have a very low crime rate and Iceland especially so.
Can you share some pictures with us?
Is your creative process as an author and playwright different?
Yes and no. For me it always starts out with the characters. A character starts living in my head and then I have to imagine a setting for her or him and their drive and there I have the plot. This is the initial process whether I am writing a play or novel. But then when the writing process really starts the novel is easier to write because it gives more freedom, but the play has to reveal everything through the dialogue. With a novel you're on your own right to the end, but when writing a play the final goal is production where you'll work with a theatre group to help with polishing.
What was your response when your play Big Babies won play of the year?
I was very happy of course! It was great and I was grateful for the recognition. In hindsight a big red-carpet moment like this seems unreal but I have such warm memories of the theatre company that produced the play that they will live inside my heart forever. A written stageplay is one thing but it's the theatre artists that make it alive.
Why did you choose Noir to tell your story?
The Noir genre has a strong element of storytelling so that is why it is so good for me, because I see myself as a storyteller. I believe that with crime-fiction or Noir the reader has very specific expectations and the success of a story depends largely on how the writer fulfills those expectations. The reader expects to be entertained, to experience tension or a thrill and to be told a story.
How did you get into crime writing?
In part it was a coincidence. I have always loved writing and liked crime-fiction, but then one day I saw an ad from an Icelandic publisher for a competition called: "the New Dan Brown". So that was it. My fate was sealed. Since I have written five published novels and my writing career has really taken off.
Who is Sonia?
Sonia is a young attractive mother that experiences a collapse of her whole world when her husband walks in on her in bed with another woman. The divorce that follows and the custody battle, all taking place in the same dramatic months as the Icelandic financial crash result in her being in a desperate situation. In her desperation she resorts to smuggling drugs and thereby she has entered a world of drugs and crime that she wouldn't have expected herself to be in just a few months before.
Does your story bear a theme for struggling single mothers?
Well, I don't know. The theme I started out with was an exploration of what people do when they feel cornered. When ordinary people find them selves in extraordinary situations they can do things they would never have imagined themselves doing. Sonia, the single mother in the story is one of those people and she does everything she can to regain custody of her son.
What is Sonia a victim of?
First and foremost she is a victim of herself. Snare is the first of the Reykjavík Noir Trilogy and in the coming two books she will come to terms with her own part in creating her fate. But the drug business is international, and even in a small country like Iceland it has quite an impact. The people who have ensnared Sonia are not the nicest types. With all the violence, threats and coercion Sonia feels like a victim. At first.
What role does the financial crisis play in the series?
It's the backdrop to the whole story. I'm interested in those moments in history when there's huge changes to society. For Iceland the financial crash had devastating consequences. Many people lost their homes and all their savings and had to start anew. There was a lot of anger and desperation; and in Snare we see characters that are struggling with the consequences of this, although it's in a very different way for each one of them.
What's next for you after the Reykjavik trilogy?
I am currently starting on writing a new series that leans more into the political thriller. I hope it will do as good as the Reykjavík Noir Trilogy.
Connect with Lilja
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Ömer Onan (Manisa, 4 de fevereiro de 1988) é um basquetebolista profissional turco, atualmente joga no Fenerbahçe Ülker.

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How often You shout at Your friends not to tag You on Facebook photos?
Did You ever had thoughts of wearing burka?
Did You ever fasted to loose weight & then after 1-2 days because of hunger ate whole fridge then sat & wept?
If You practice spirituality, did ever Your yearning for God increase seeing a fresh line on Your face?
Or did You once went out with Your beloved. You both enjoyed & captured lots of photos. Both of You were so happy. But the next day You saw Your photos to remember the previous day but found universe loosing its light for You? Just because You were not looking BEAUTIFUL in those photos and videos?
If some of these things happened to You then we are birds in a similar cage.
According to statistics, about 18 million people in US suffer out of depression considering their looks imperfect.
To look beautiful & fit is everyone's desire not only girls. Once when I was listening Srimad Bhagavatam class of a senior Vaishnav in ISKCON Mumbai I remember he told that even some of Brahmacharis, who are renounced of material activities, have desire to look handsome.
Then what to speak of us - 100% girls???
In order to become beautiful we do so much, oh my God!
I personally cannot walk here & there if I do not have kajal in my eyes at least.
One of my friends decorates her body so nicely & captures her own photos. Her profile photo on Facebook & whats app may change 7 to 8 times a day.
Sometimes my husband captures my photo professionally. He tells me to look a side, to turn little left, then right, then little up then little down; then tells to smile, when I smile tells not show my teeth; when I close my teeth he says 'why are you making your face as if you ate a sour fruit?'; in this way after half an hour one photo!!! And in anticipation I look at it!!!
Obviously, I won't upload that photo on Facebook.
One of my friends is above 35. But if You look at her face You won't find a single line. How come? Oh yes, every 6 months she does botox so that when she smiles her skin doesn't move in this way she won't have wrinkles.
Another friend even wanted to cut her legs and by doing plastic surgery to become taller enough so that she can participate in Miss Universe.
The writing of this list may go up to the end of Kali Yuga or up to the next Satya Yuga.
Do You know, which Yatra was the most ecstatic for me? It was when we went to Govardhan with 5000 Devotees. That time I used carry my foundation cream, lipstick, kajal, black and pink eye shadows in my small purse. Because my friends were so kind they used to inspire me always saying 'I look so beautiful'. That is why I was so confident, so friendly & cheerful.
While doing Govardhan parikrama I was thinking every half an hour if my kajal didn't get smudged; if I still look nice…This was my ITBC (Internal Thought of Beauty Consciousness) not ISKCON (International Society for Krsna Consciousness).
But one day I got a revelation!
We were staying at dormitory with 8 girls in one room. Dormitory was so austere that bathroom was outside of our room. It was even austere that there was no mirror inside the bathroom.
Mirror was outside in the courtyard where light of the Sun shine was so bright. After taking bath I looked at my face in that mirror.
Can you imagine what I saw? The thing which I saw completely changed my life. It increased amount of my surrender to the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna; It gave me so much detachment from these material world; worldly relationships, friendships…; Seeing that, I have almost decided to live life of a renounced brahmacarini and fully dedicate my life for serving God…Later in the evening, Kirtan also was ecstatic; just remembering that thing, which I saw in the mirror, I simple shouted the Holy Names, danced like a mad girl. Seeing me my friends also started jumping and shouting.
And the reason was a wrinkle in both sides of my mouth.
In this way no single person is satisfied with their looks in this world. Even if one person is satisfied he or she will get old. Will she like herself getting old?
The reason is, this world is created to cause us pain. There is no other reason than this.
In the other hand, if one is beautiful she may become proud and misuse their beauty. Most handsome boys will have hundreds of girl friends; Most beautiful girls will be the object of sense gratification for many men. Or they become actresses and play in the roles which induce others into sinful life.
So sometimes modest look may be a blessing. Also there is a saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". You cannot satisfy with your looks everyone in this world. But there will be a single person who will adore You and consider You the most gorgeous person in whole creation. For that person You can try Your best not for all.
I am not this material body but a soul.
Soul is ever beautiful. It means You are beautiful - a Reader! Only this body made of 5 gross & 3 subtle elements is covering Your original beauty.
Yes, we can take care of the cleanliness, health, simple looks of this body but to be obsessed with its faults is wrong consciousness which will lead us to depression.
We think 'A' girl is beautiful but 'A' girl also thinks herself ugly. Because soul is far beautiful, it cannot be satisfied with the looks of this material body, no matter how beautiful body we have.


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IceTV General => IceTV EPG Content => Topic started by: Tezza007 on December 13, 2015, 12:08:04 PM
Title: Coming Soon Useless
Post by: Tezza007 on December 13, 2015, 12:08:04 PM
It has 10 to 70 year old multi-repeated movies
It listed every copy cat lifestyle show know to man when Channel 9 re-jigged
But it omits Premiere shows like Amy Schumer and Funny As on ABC2 tonight
This happens regularly
Title: Re: Coming Soon Useless
Post by: John on December 13, 2015, 01:51:34 PM
Hi Tezza007 we seem to get a lot of complaints and it is difficult to know what to change based on your comment. If I had the coming soon list changed to include just the two shows you mention it would be a pretty short list. Unfortunately we do not have any say in what the commercial channels decide to air and the 9 rejig has caused a lot of work for shows that it is hard to imagine anyone would bother watching. Could you be more specific and give me a list of the shows that would have been useful for you to have in the Coming Soon Listing?
Post by: prl on December 13, 2015, 01:59:15 PM
While Funny As isn't in the Coming Soon list, it did make it to the What's on This Weekend on Friday.
But then last weekend's What's on This Weekend listed a repeat of Undeniable.
Post by: simoncasey on December 13, 2015, 03:01:42 PM
I think all of the new lifestyle shows should be there but I assume it will calm down shortly. The main issue is missing new seasons of new or returning shows on the main channels during prime time.
Also as prl points out. Funny as made it to this weekends recommendations but surely that would prompt it to appear in coming soon.
I also don't think repeats of old movies really warrant a coming soon. In fact, I can't see why any show that is a repeat should appear in coming soon.
But whatever you are doing differently now isn't working. Coming soon was the first place I always opened when planning a week's TV. Currently it's not really reliable enough to use as the primary source.
I know that all the IceFolk have a big task still to just keep the basics running, but I'd also like to put in a word for having "Recommendations" working again in the app. My memory of it when it was working was that it had overlapping, but different, content from the "What's on" emails.
Quote from: prl on December 13, 2015, 03:24:36 PM
I think it was updated 3 weeks ago after some prompting. I find the email more useful but have found it has some odd stuff on it at the moment.
Quote from: John on December 13, 2015, 01:51:34 PM
Easy ;D
Don't include repeats [such as old movies]
Do include new shows [such as Funny As and Amy Schumer]
I didn't say to only include those 2 shows, I was pointing out that you DIDN'T include them whilst you had old repeat rubbish
I agree with your comment about the "new" 9 shows, but they were sorta new, whilst the old movies aren't
Include return [new season, not repeat] series. You partially do so now
Like prl said, Coming soon is also my first port of call every morning, but if I also didn't check the daily guide I would've missed those 2 new shows tonight and several in the past week
There's a few there also that have been in the list for I'm sure more than 6 months, such as Agent Carter
I'm sure things will get better ::)
I'm so desperate to see if Agent Carter is any good advice had a series recording for it for 6 months.
Post by: csutak40 on December 13, 2015, 10:19:44 PM
I just had a look at thee list and I am pretty sure that someone should go through them all. I just noticed "The Block:Glasshouse" That was on a few years ago (not sure which year, but definitely not this year) so it is definitely not "coming soon" I wonder how many more like that are on the list?
OTOH, I happen to know (as they have an ad on every 5 minutes) that My Kitchen Rules is "coming soon", should someone be interested in watching it.
I suppose, the point is, regardless of what we may think of a particular show, if it is something new, it should be listed - someone may be interested
A definite +1 to them cleaning it out
Get rid of all those old movies
The Block Glasshouse
RPM moment - these are just cut down repeats
Any more to add?
Post by: Mozi on December 14, 2015, 01:21:55 PM
According to the adds, these are "Coming Soon" and would be worthwhile to have listed on IceTV:
"Wanted" Mini Series with and by Rebecca Gibney. Wanted will air on Seven in February 2016
"Molly" Mini Series about Ian "Molly" Meldrum on Seven some time early 2016
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 14, 2015, 12:19:42 PM
I'm currently not seeing any movies, old or new, in either the Web or the Android app Coming Soon lists (ACT Canberra Guide). The Block and RPM aren't in the Coming Soon lists I see, either.
Looks like some tidying up has been done.
Post by: mkwilson on December 14, 2015, 03:15:55 PM
I'm all for affirmative action, but including the Women's Big Bash Cricket in the 'Coming Soon' list (Sat 19 Dec) and excluding the commencement of the Men's Big Bash Cricket (Thu 17 December) is being a little too proactive :)
Quote from: mkwilson on December 14, 2015, 03:15:55 PM
They're being completely even-handed - Women's Big Bash in Coming Soon, and the men's Twenty/20 Big Bash in What's on This Week.
On the other hand, I'd like to applaud the updating of the Android app's Recommendations for the coming week, even though, with only four entries, it's a bit thin.
Couldn't pay me to watch either, but both should have been in coming soon
Good to see they got rid of a lot
Still a 43 year old John Lennon concert there
Post by: Mantorok on December 18, 2015, 04:15:02 PM
Another one I think should be removed from the Coming Soon list is "In The Flesh". There are only 2 seasons of this show which have both aired on SBS. According to Wikipedia there won't be a 3rd season.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Flesh_(TV_series) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Flesh_(TV_series))
Quote from: Mantorok on December 18, 2015, 04:15:02 PM
And the repeats aren't even coming soon. They are already being shown at the moment.
Wow, that was quick...it's already been removed!
We try to please :)
Some proactivity would be nice rather than waiting for users to post.
Hot property, Domestic Blitz, Wilfred are all currently running as repeats. I don't think there are any new shows coming soon? Maybe we haven't seen all of the US Wilfreds, but the Aussie one is old now.
This was just like The Block Glasshouse, ie an old show currently in rerun being shown as Coming Soon. So it's wrong in two ways.
Post by: Rowdy on December 18, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
Why should Coming Soon be restricted to new shows?
Surely it is an indication of upcoming shows which some of us may not have seen yet.
Quote from: Rowdy on December 18, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
I agree, that is a debatable point. Maybe there is a time where if a show hasn't been on for a while, then it is warranted as coming soon when it goes into rerun. However, that would account for nearly every show on 9Life and all of the other repeat channels so where do you draw the line?
My point was as much to do with the fact that the shows I listed that are flagged as coming soon are actually currently being broadcast.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 18, 2015, 06:13:45 PM
That's by no means new, and certainly predates IceTV II.
Similarly with shows being marked in the list as "Coming soon" for a long time before being broadcast (as is the case for Agent Carter in the present list). I'm not sure why the latter really bothers anyone. I've had Agent Carter marked to record for ages :)
I've never seen that before. Certainly shows appear with a start date and hang around for a week or so, but then you see when it started so that's a good thing. But these are shows that are flagged as Coming soon in the same way as Agent Carter, but in fact they started in rerun a few weeks ago. So its too late anyway.
Yes, me too - ie it doesn't bother me and I've set it to record.
Post by: Dave at IceTV on December 18, 2015, 07:17:34 PM
Exactly. All this complaining about repeats being listed in coming soon is missing the purpose of the coming soon section. It is not "New Shows Coming Soon". It is for listing popular or interesting old and new shows that are airing soon and are worthy of a mention.
Coming Soon has always listed "new shows and returning shows". It is not just for new shows. A highly acclaimed movie from the '60s can be included regardless of whether it's been on before or not.
Series listed in coming soon usually don't get removed until a couple of weeks after they have started airing so people who missed the first episode or two can still discover that they are on.
Coming Soon has never listed every new show as there are too many to list them all. Instead it lists shows that we think people will find interesting or are rating well overseas.
Except that real "coming soon" shows, that are being advertised on TV as "coming soon" are NOT on the list (Molly on 7 comes to mind)
Well, now you've done it! ;D Agent Carter has been removed from the list! I just went to check it out, to see why everybody is so interested in it (as much as I try to reduce, not increase the number of shows I record as the Man In Charge refuses to make the days longer than 24 hours) So, I now have no idea what was so special about the elusive Agent Carter :P
Ooh, just had a bit of a look... looks interesting. Seems it started last January, second season is about to start
Quote from: csutak40 on December 18, 2015, 08:04:44 PM
Well, now you've done it! ;D Agent Carter has been removed from the list!
Sorry! :o
You can still schedule it in advance by searching for it in the guide.
Post by: Tezza007 on December 19, 2015, 12:12:18 AM
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 18, 2015, 07:17:34 PM
You've just made it more useless than ever
Post by: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 08:06:18 AM
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 19, 2015, 12:12:18 AM
I'm not sure I quite agree with Tezza but I do find that the reality of what we have in coming soon doesn't really reflect the intention that Dave describes.
At the moment, approximately half of the shows are repeats, and almost all are reality/lifestyle shows, being shown at in the early morning or daytime. I know that reflects what is on but it has missed a lot of high quality shows (eg The Fall) that are on primetime. And why all the reality shows, there's loads of British detective shows that are being rerun and never get a mention even though if you look at what's popular with IceTV customers, that would be a good thing to list.
I also have an issue with the ones shown as Coming soon with no date. Apart from one or two, those shows have already started and some started in November.
Post by: Dave at IceTV on December 19, 2015, 11:39:30 AM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 08:06:18 AM
I personally don't feel that midnight, early morning or daytime shows should get listed - unless they are big sporting events. But someone who watches popular daytime soaps might disagree.
Again, I personally don't feel that reality/lifestyle shows rate a mention ever 8) But someone who watches reality/lifestyle shows might disagree.
Agreed. Once we know their start date that date should be inserted, before the show airs. And weekly shows that started more than 15 days ago should get removed from the list regularly.
So I'll just have to continue to plow through the guide every day to look for the REAL new/returning first-run shows
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 19, 2015, 11:39:30 AM
It's a matter of balance rather than personal choice. Currently there is too much emphasis on daytime repeats of lifestyle shows and not enough on first run primetime drama etc. Man cannot live by bread alone, even if it is brioche.
Yes. We all know this and continue to point it out / complain about it.
We never stopped using the newspaper guide, especially the "coming up this week" part of the guide, as an additional source of information about upcoming shows.
While I don't agree with some of the complaints about "Coming Soon", it does seem to be being updated less often and less accurately than it previously was.
"Recommendations" in my Android app has been showing only a single show ("The Embassy") for several days, even though it's a series that started on 30 Nov, and which, according to the Canberra IceGuide, isn't on this coming week.
Have you tried flicking left/right in the recommendations, I have fallen for that in the iOS app.
Mine is current for last week. Mekong river last Tuesday and rabbit proof fence tomorrow.
Yes, I have. I've been using the Android app since it came out, and Recommendations used to be quite useful.
Mine is still doggedly stuck showing only "The Embassy". I've synched at least three times today, and it's still like that. Maybe it's a regional thing. Out in the boondocks of the nation's capital, and all that ;)
I do have the embassy for last Monday. Plus Mekong river and dateline Tuesday and then rabbit proof fence on Sunday. So maybe it is regionally based and you only get political based recommendations in Canberra.
The Mekong River isn't political? :o
And yes, I know who the presenter is, and she has actually touched on some of the politics, especially the effects of planned hydro schemes on the lower parts of the river.
And that great British bake off gets very political too ;D
Post by: raymondjpg on December 19, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
My two penn'orth
Coming Soon has always listed "new shows and returning shows". It is not just for new shows.
OK, fine.
A highly acclaimed movie from the '60s can be included regardless of whether it's been on before or not.
I don't think so. It looks to me like most of the week is taken up with repeats of what has gone before, some of which may have been highly acclaimed. I would prefer to see what is upcoming that hasn't been seen over and over again.
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 19, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
I would prefer to see what is upcoming that hasn't been seen over and over again.
One of the main reasons for using IceTV, avoiding old shit and repeats
Not a regional thing as 'Coming Soon' on the website lists all the expected shows with the region is set to your region. I think you've broken the app :)
Try 'Clear Data' and 'Clear Cache' from the Android device's "Settings > Apps > Downloaded" menu.
Or try uninstalling the Android app then downloading it again.
I was stating how it's supposed to work, not necessarily how it is currently working. I am sure that the priority has been on getting the guide perfect before concentrating on get coming soon perfect.
Agreed. First run primetime shows should be the first priority.
Also any show that is good enough to make it into the weekly newsletter emails should also be included in coming soon.
I keep thinking that a personalised 'coming soon' would be great. So 'Coming Soon' would list shows based on the type of shows you normally record. Maybe one day...
What, me, break something? :o
I tried clearing the data (which also cleared the cache), and that didn't change the Recommendations; neither did uninstalling and reinstalling the app.
My phone is currently wanting to upgrade from KitKat to Lollipop (at last!); I'll give it another go when that's done.
I was stating how it's supposed to work, not necessarily how it is currently working. I am sure that the priority has been on getting the guide perfect before concentrating of n get coming soon perfect.
Making that clear instead of appearing to defend what is being done and criticising the complainers would probably result in less frustration for users and less complaints.
I probably should have made it clear that my comments regarding "Coming Soon" apply equally to the weekly newsletter emails. In other words the usefulness for me of "What's on this week" (as for "Coming Soon") is in drawing attention to upcoming new (or returning) material that I don't normally see advertised because I don't watch much live TV, and make a habit of stripping ads and relentless ABC promotional material from my TV captures before watching them.
I know that there is no accounting for taste, but the weekly newsletter lately while concentrating on food shows and documentaries has been less useful to me than in the past when it alerted me to such (my taste) worthwhile drama shows as The Fall, Fargo and Homeland. There might also be recognition of new drama from New Zealand such as the Brokenwood Mysteries and maybe even some home-grown Australian drama (not ongoing soaps) if any such does exist any more.
Update done. Still only getting The Embassy in Recommendations. Cleared Data/Cache, same. Uninstalled/reinstalled the app. Still the same.
Post by: tonymy01 on December 20, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
I get that Monday, but flick the whole screen left or right to get a couple for Tuesday and even more Wednesday. An icon on the screen is broken but apart from that looks like I get recommendations beyond what you are getting.
Mekon River, Dateline and Rabbit Proof Fence.
:-[ I forgot that you have to flick on the part of the screen that has stuff on it :-[
I can see The Embassy, The Mekong, Dateline & Rabbit-proof Fence. As with tonymy01, all the image links are broken (which means that the "flickable" part of the screen is quite small).
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on December 20, 2015, 04:54:47 PM
It does look like the script that is responsible for updating IcePicks on the phones was not doing the right thing, I have pushed a manual update now and will monitor over the next couple of days.
Thanks, Daniel. I can now see Recommendations for all of the coming week, starting with "Invisible Universe" and ending with the "Coming Soon" ABC New Year coverage.
I also saw one item (Friday's Peter Wright version of The Nutcracker) marked as "Top Repeat", markup that I don't think I've ever seen before. But maybe I just wasn't paying attention. But wouldn't ET also warrant that markup?
Post by: Mozi on December 21, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Nice idea Dave. Maybe something that would be easier to implement (I don't know) in a shorter time frame would be a setting somewhere were the USER can choose whether or not we want to see repeats included in the "Coming Soon" or not.
And as a follow up improvement, maybe something where we can choose to include/exclude Coming Soon shows that fall into certain timeframes, eg prime time, night time, day time? At least that would be feasible for all those shows that already have a date/time allocated to them in Coming Soon.
Just an idea or two.
Post by: prl on December 21, 2015, 11:06:51 AM
IceTV has been there before, but with something that really didn't work properly. I think I'd rather have what we have now than a "personalised" system that tells me about programs I already have set to record or have marked as favourites.
Quote from: prl on December 21, 2015, 11:06:51 AM
Yes, I agree. Maybe the recommendations could be personalised but I don't think coming soon needs to be. It will be like the google ads that keep advertising things that I just bought.
The comment about recommendations that I was already recording was the actual behaviour of one instance of the old system. Then, IIRC, it was changed to remove the stuff that was already marked as being recorded or a favourite.
But it was done by getting the top 10 matches with what it thought were my preferences, then removing the stuff I'd already marked in IceTV. So instead of giving me ten recommendations, about half of which I'd already marked, it gave me half as many recommendations. ::)
I'm sure there must be a better way...
You would also need a way of ignoring recommendations so that they went away permanently otherwise the same shows would keep coming back as recommendations. The Amazon type approach of "people who recorded this show also recorded that show" may work but would have limitations as it would only work retrospectively, ie there would be no data on new shows as nobody would be recording those.
A mixture of the popular and coming soon might also be good. Ie coming soon shows would appear on the recommendation list if people set series recordings on them.
The key thing I think is to try and automate the process as much as possible otherwise it becomes inconsistent, subjective and labour intensive for the icetv people. There is a lot of information on recordings in the icetv database so being able to filter the coming soon list into recommendations should be possible.
Plaudits for getting the final four episodes of Inspector Montalbano into "Coming Soon" but brickbats for not featuring it in "What's On This Week". Instead we had "Two versions of an old classic [OK it is Christmas Week], some modern movie classics [If classics then aren't they likely to be repeats?], some opinions, some laughs, some songs, some food, a pageant and lots of magic, in various forms, fill our screens [well probably not mine] this week." Where's the (not seen before) drama? Montalbano, like Wallander, is celebrated enough to have inspired a tourist industry!
... Wallander, is celebrated enough to have inspired a tourist industry!
Really? It always seems to be a quite dismal round Ystad on Wallander. Not to mention a murder rate to match that of County Midsomer. :D
Not to mention a murder rate to match that of County Midsomer. :D
Nothing to match that. I am trying very hard to point out, politely, that there is quality TV around that is consistently escaping the attention of whoever puts together What's On This Week.
Post by: Paul55 on December 21, 2015, 06:12:52 PM
......a murder rate to match that of County Midsomer. :D
I think the island of Saint Marie would be the most dangerous place to visit 8) :o
... I am trying very hard to point out, politely, that there is quality TV around that is consistently escaping the attention of whoever puts together What's On This Week.
I can't disagree with that. Even in Coming Soon, I think that Montalbano is about the only new drama with an assigned start date. As rusted-on fans, we already had a series recording set from earlier series. :)
Curiously, though, Coming Soon is now overwhelmingly SBS, despite grumbles earlier in the topic about it be overwhelmed by fluff on 9Life. Not that much of the SBS stuff there isn't fluff, but I guess that's the non-ratings season for you.
Hopefully the new series of The Returned will get a mention when it starts in 2 weeks.
I think I've probably said enough to make my point but at this stage I cannot even see the new series of The Returned in Coming Soon. At least poor old Salvo had a head start there.
I think I've probably said enough to make my point but at this stage I cannot even see the new series of The Returned in Coming Soon. ...
But wouldn't having it there be just what some people have been complaining about: The Returned SBS2 22:45 Sat 26 Dec: (S.1,Ep.1) (From France, in French) (Drama Series) (Rpt) M(S,A,V) [from SBS guide]
The IceTV guide has it (correctly) as repeats, too.
But why is the title of some episodes "The Returned (2012)" and for others just "The Returned"?
New series starts in 2 weeks, so hopefully it will appear then. I wasn't expecting it yet, it's not Agent Carter.
IceTV staff only need to look at their own New Shows thread to find heaps of stuff to populate Coming Soon. People are posting, but it's being ignored
... People are posting, but it's being ignored
Two people have posted new content there in the last three weeks, both of them today.
I count three over the past month, much of which (if not all) appears to have been ignored. I think that is the main point of the comment. Perhaps, but for apparently ignoring the posts, more might have contributed to the thread, although another point about IceTV MkII is that folks would prefer to see Ice maintaining Coming Soon for the information of its subscribers and not vice versa.
But that's the mythical New Shows list that doesn't exist anymore and was replaced by Coming Soon :-\
another point about IceTV MkII is that folks would prefer to see Ice maintaining Coming Soon for the information of its subscribers and not vice versa.
I may be in the minority, but my main priority is the EPG being as accurate as possible. I don't think this task is as easy as many assume and hopefully, the recent disruptions will soon be behind us.
I did mention Molly that I keep seeing advertised and another one I can't remember now :-)
Quote from: Paul55 on December 22, 2015, 02:10:43 PM
I don't know that you are, but I am already on record as saying that I regard Coming Soon (or New Shows rebadged) and What's On This Week as being as important to me as a subscriber as an accurate EPG and I don't think I am alone in that. Let's just say that we would all like to have as accurate and up-to-date an EPG as possible and intelligent advice as to what's upcoming on the TV.
People have been posting new stuff since 6 weeks ago - all ignored, while they post the 18 year old Sex and The City to Coming Soon
I think I need a break, they're really starting to get to me
How is Blindspot on the list?
A new or returning show?
Neither. We're just about the finish the first series, it's been on every week for the last 2 or 3 months.
OK. I'm only up to the 7th of May ::)
Post by: mac37 on December 23, 2015, 10:26:05 AM
Blindspot still has a yellow star (new show) in the main guide !?!
Quote from: mac37 on December 23, 2015, 10:26:05 AM
It's not actually "still", it was added back in the last couple of days.
I've slept on this. :-X We all know that this time of year there isn't much to watch, there isn't even much "coming soon".
I think the trouble is that IceTV is going for quantity instead of quality.
The list is so long, full of rubbish that, should there be something there worth noting, I'll probably miss it
Actually, I happier with the longer list. What people want to record is subjective, what one person thinks is rubbish, another person will watch repeats of. I don't think coming soon should be overly curated to just have a subjective list of what's good.
My concern has always been the balance between what was on there vs what was being missed. If the price of including the shows that I want to record is that it also has to record what others want to record, then that's ok with me.
There is also a recommendations section that could be better used to highlight "good" shows.
Then maybe we would all be happier if there were two sections in "Coming Soon" - Old S%$# and New S%$#.
Can you point me to where I can find the "recommendations section"? I can find Most Popular, and I don't use smart phone apps.
I don't want the old stuff. I think the only time a repeat is worth listing is if it hasn't been on for 10/15 plus years or before digital TV. I don't think domestic blitz from 2 years ago should be flagged as coming soon. My comments where more about rubbish vs quality being very subjective.
I don't use the website so ice no idea where it is. This week's What's On email was basically the same as the recommendations for this week.
"Recommendations" is only in the app. Previously it overlapped with, but often wasn't identical with, the What's on this Week(end) emails. The most recent one was exactly the same as the corresponding What's on this Week email.
... We all know that this time of year there isn't much to watch, there isn't even much "coming soon". ...
... if you're turning to Christmas-week television for something new, you're beyond help.
Ben Pobjie, Canberra Times TV Guide, 23/12/15.
I still miss Xmas in England when we bought the double edition of Radio Times and planned all the 2 weeks TV, what I would have to watch and what would be taped (only 3 channels made it easier but still had to miss some stuff). Xmas was the best time of the year for TV, but you couldn't go outside...
The difference is in the climate. Winter in England and much of the US is confined to indoors, so Xmas TV should be better. Not that I recall anything much beyond carols from Kings and a raft of old movies mostly with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby. I always thought that Forbrydelsen went on forever because the Danes had little else to do at that time of year but watch TV, until a power outage of course...
Yes, the two Xmases are very different and I don't normally compare, but in the last 20 years I've only had one winter Xmas.
And the ratings closedown doesn't help much either.
I don't want the old stuff. I think the only time a repeat is worth listing is if it hasn't been on for 10/15 plus years or before digital TV. I don't think domestic blitz from 2 years ago should be flagged as coming soon. My comments where more about rubbish vs quality being very subjective.[/quote]
Then you must be thrilled with Sex And The City being listed in Coming Soon. Only 18 years old
I did a bit of a search and found 44 new series and 70 returning series. It wasn't hard so I think they could be doing a hell of a lot better than they currently are
My point was "if it hasn't been on for 10/15 plus years", not if it has been repeated every year for the last 10/15 years. So Sex in the City repeats shouldn't be listed but I'd be happy it they listed the upcoming repeats of Prime Suspect.
Something like Prime Suspect you already know about and can be easily automatically recorded if you want it without having to do anything
I still think Coming soon should be new shows, stuff we don't already know about and might very well miss if it's not pointed out
How would we know about Prime Suspect being rerun and how would I automatically record it?
Well, I suppose if you set up a timer for it when it was on and didn't set it "first runs only" then it would record every time it came back on
I don't think icetv existed when Prime Suspect was last on, I certainly didn't have a pvr. But what you mention is my point. I don't want to see repeats of shows in coming soon that if I wanted to watch then I probably already had series recordings for (as per Tezza's Sex in the City example, if I wanted to record that). But if it's been so long since it's been on that I wouldn't have a series recording, then I think there would be people who would want to know that is was being rerun.
So we'd end up with a list full of old repeats rather than new shows
You can set recordings for any old shows you can think of. They don't need to be on now
Good to see they've finally added about 5 of the 40+ new shows already announced by the networks
No, it doesn't have to be one or the other. We get a list of shows that are coming soon that people are interested in, which is either new shows or reruns of shows that we wont have already had series recordings for.
No you can't. Only if it has been in IceTV and still exists as a series recording, which isn't the case for old shows being rerun. You would have to set up complicated keyword searches. And why would I set up a series recording for any old show I can think of, that would be hundreds of shows. It would be better if a rerun of an old classic show that hasn't been on for many years would be flagged as coming soon.
It's reasonable that shows get added once there is an idea of what channel they will be on rather than coming sometime in 2016. But, I agree there could be more.
Set new preference is quite simple
The 40+ new shows are already announced by the networks, so we know what channels they're on.
Many of those in Coming soon don't have a channel. it doesn't matter, they can still be set up to record
So you are suggesting that I go through all of the classic TV shows from the first 30 years of my life and add a series record preference for each one on the off chance they might get rerun and that's simple?
Anyway, I'm with you ie the epg could be better and repeats of shows from last year dominating the list when new shows don't appear is frustrating but there are lots of viewers who are enjoying reruns of shows that haven't been seen for many years and I thinking is valid that they appear in coming soon.
5 minutes a day and you'd be finished in a week.
I think we're talking at cross purposes. I don't see how I could compile a list of hundreds of classic shows and set them up in 35 minutes, it would take months to do it and only 1% of it would ever be used.
Whilst all this discussion has been going on, the icetv people seem to have tidied coming soon I to a reasonably useful state for the next few weeks.
Sorry, I remembered the 30 years as 30 shows :P
For me I can't think of a single old show I'd wanna watch. I was a mad MASH fan, never missed an episode, now I cringe when I see the poor quality and quickly jump ahead. Same goes for Black Adder, a masterpiece that I cannot re-watch. I prefer to remember the old shows as flawless rather than the rubbish they are now compared to modern stuff
Yes, the part-time work experience kid seems to have added a tiny fraction of the new shows that the networks have announced and reduced the old dates to only 3
Hmmm, which one should I record from Coming Soon?
New Show ABC New Year's Special Coming soon or
New Show New Year's Eve Thu, 31 Dec 2015 ABC or
New Show New Year's Eve: Family Fireworks Thu, 31 Dec 2015 ABC
New Show New Year's Eve: Family Spectacular Thu, 31 Dec 2015 ABC
The 2 fireworks shows are actually on
Yeah, I noticed that. ;D Also noticed that there is no mention of the new X Files that, according to 10, is coming soon :P
"The Family Law" advertised on SBS for January 16 ,a comedy about recent Asian immigrants and the adverts look like it will be amusing, isn't showing in coming soon either..
I posted a big list of new announced shows and returning shows and stated that there were over 110 announced by the networks, but they've only listed less than 10 of those
They finally got the hint and got rid of the 18 year old Sex and the City which I don't think has ever been off air in those 18 years
Still listed as Coming Soon but without a start date, despite being about to air a second episode:
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Post by: fastcars on December 30, 2015, 12:02:17 PM
The first episode was on last night on the ABC @ 21:00
Yet it's still in Coming Soon without a date
Post by: raymondjpg on January 01, 2016, 03:26:24 PM
A minor quibble about "Inside Men" showing from next Tuesday on ABC. I don't think it has been screened on FTA TV in Australia, but it appears to have been screened by UKTV in 2012. If it is the same series that I had just about forgotten originally screened by BBC1 in 2012, then the IceTV Guide showing it as (Australia, English) is wrong. Like Silent Witness screening at the same time on GEM (ACT Guide) it should read (United Kingdom, English).
Post by: Tezza007 on January 01, 2016, 06:54:35 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I musta missed it in Coming Soon ::)
Post by: simoncasey on January 01, 2016, 08:07:22 PM
Quote from: Tezza007 on January 01, 2016, 06:54:35 PM
This is the kind of thing that should be flagged in coming soon. A high rating, first run show at prime time on one of the main channels.
It's getting better, but there is still some ways to go.
Also, I doubt IceTV are reading this topic any more. So it may be worth starting a new topic for new shows, as much for other users as for IceTV.
I have resorted to scanning the EPG from time to time otherwise I would have missed it. What piqued my interest at first was that it was flagged, at the end of the description but apparently in error, as an Australian drama.
Quote from: simoncasey on January 01, 2016, 08:07:22 PM
The 2012 BBC1 production was not preceded by an earlier series, neither was there any sequel, so no chance of it being in people's My Shows lists and I agree it is the kind of thing that I would like to be able to rely on seeing in Coming Soon and What's On This Week.
Post by: Tezza007 on January 02, 2016, 11:40:00 AM
I religiously scan the online TV Guide every morning, it's the only way I can be sure I'm not missing something new, returning or wrongly flagged as a repeat or Premiere
I've found What's On This Week to be more useless than Coming Soon. To me, it seems to be what some geriatric old fart wants to watch


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