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Ihumaatao must be returned to mana whenua says Kiingitanga
Written By: notices and features - Date published: 1:51 pm, September 18th, 2019 - 149 comments
Categories: Maori Issues, uncategorized - Tags: Fletchers, Ihumātao, Kiingitanga
Kiingi Tuuheitia Pootatau Te Wherowhero VII has successfully guided the mana whenua of lhumaatao to reach a consensus on the future of their whenua.
The King visited lhumaatao on Saturday 3rd August with a message of unity and peace and offered to facilitate discussions between mana whenua about the future development of the land.
The role of Kiingitanga was to provide the time and space for parties to talk freely and without duress, spokesperson Rahui Papa says.
"Although the land has remained occupied, mana whenua representatives have engaged in good faith discussions under the cloak of Kiingitanga and have reached a unified position on Ihumaatao.
"Mana whenua agree they want their land returned, so they can make decisions about its future.
"Mana whenua agreed the return of the land is outside of the Treaty of Waitangi settlement process and therefore requires an innovative and modern solution that does not financially disadvantage iwi."
Kiingitanga acknowledges the Prime Minister's early intervention in the dispute and the confirmation by Ministers and MPs that the views of mana whenua are key, as is a "by Maaori for Maaori" solution.
"It is important that the government prevents any further alienation of the people from their land, while discussions are underway."
Kiingitanga has conveyed the views of mana whenua to the government and urged it to negotiate with Fletchers for the return of Ihumaatao to its rightful owners.
via Scoop.
149 comments on "Ihumaatao must be returned to mana whenua says Kiingitanga "
weka 1
RNZ coverage https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/399023/mana-whenua-reach-decision-on-ihumatao-land
SOUL people speaking in video starts at 12 mins, including ideas on what could happen next.
alwyn 1.1
How much are they proposing to pay for the land?
Or are they just going to be given it for nothing?
Sacha 1.1.1
Have their stolen property returned, you mean? Can't see that flying with the general public.
Gosman 1.1.1.1
It wasn't stolen. It was confiscated legally. Whether or not that was morally right is another matter. there was also a Treaty settlement that loss of land via this method was specifically designed to cater and which the Iwi in question was comfortable with.
So, it wasn't legalised theft according to you? Do you think that concept even exists?
Foreshore and Seabed Act. The group with the biggest stick get to take what they want and determine what to call the taking.
That sounds a bit like Western democracy in action in the Third World 😉
Gosman …
Actually it sounds like a progressive taxation system.
Nice humour, but it appears that you have no shame Gossie. Not that you ever did..
"It was confiscated under the New Zealand Settlements Act, thus breaching the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi agreement."
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/395121/explainer-why-ihumatao-is-being-occupied-by-protectors
Confiscation was for rebelling, but,
"In 1927 a royal commission found that 'a grave injustice was done' to South Auckland Māori 'by forcing them into the position of rebels and afterwards confiscating their lands'. In 1985 the Waitangi Tribunal concluded that 'all sources agree that the Tainui people…never rebelled but were attacked by British troops in direct violation of Article II of the Treaty of Waitangi'"
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/27-07-2019/our-trail-of-tears-the-story-of-how-ihumatao-was-stolen/
That, and the Crown needing land to pay for the war, makes it look like stolen to me.
Gosman 1.1.1.1.2.1
The Maori could have argued they weren't actually in rebellion in which case they could have got their land back via the court process. In fact why don't they try this?
solkta 1.1.1.1.3
The land was confiscated illegally, obviously. If the confiscations had been legal then there would have been no basis for settlements.
The fact that there IS a treaty settlement negotiation process rather than a court case shows the land WASN'T taken illegally.
solkta …
Go and learn some history and don't be such a deadhead. The Crown invaded Waikato because Waikato Maori would not sell any more land. Both the invasion and the confiscations were illegal.
Wrong. The Crown invaded the Waikato because the Kingitanga movement regarded themselves as a separate sovereign authority to the Crown and the Crown deemed them a threat in that regard.
The invasion was not illegal nor was the confiscation. It may well have been unjust.
What makes you think it was legal?
The Kingitanga movement rejected the Sovereign authority of the British Crown over New Zealand. The Crown issued an ultimatum requesting all Maori between Auckland and the Waikato sign a pledge of allegiance to the Crown. The rejection of this caused the Crown to regard these Maori as being in rebellion to the authority of the Crown. As a result the land was invaded to enforce that authority. It is no different to what the British did in Scotland or Ireland in relation to rebellions. Unless you are trying to argue the fighting against Irish and Scottish rebels were also "illegal".
michelle 1.1.1.1.4
Te kawerau a maki they got what they could and it wasn't much is this being comfortable gosman cause i am uncomfortable but your comfortable of course you are, your comfortable with anything that doesn't give us Maori a leg up
Why do you assume that at all? I am happy with a Treaty settlement process where Iwi and the Crown come to a voluntary agreement to settle the grievances. The Crown is not forcing Iwi to settle. What I oppose is full and final settlements being changed to not full and final at a later date. That to me is the definition of not negotiating in good faith.
When full and final settlements were forced into the process, there was plenty of debate about how that wouldn't work. I remember people saying that the Treaty wouldn't be needed once all the settlements were done. This is a gross misunderstanding of what the Treaty is and what it means.
None of this is a surprise, so if we are talking about good faith and fairness, I can't see a good reason to assume full and final has meaning.
otoh, had Māori been full partners in the creation of processes that would address colonisation in ways that were also meaningful and just from Māori perspectives, then we might be in a completely different situation now. It's not too late, we still have an opportunity here to get this right. If Pākehā agree that the Treaty is a partnership between the Crown and Māori, then it behooves Pākehā to argue for the Crown to relate with Māori as actual partners.
Except we disagree with what partnership means.
I presume you take it to mean you have equal rights as the Crown and NZ has some sort of quasi joint sovereignty arrangement.
Where as I take it that Maori have a unique relationship with the Crown (but not as equals) where elements of the cultural identity and life are guaranteed to be protected by the Crown and Maori are to be included in any direct decisions impacting them as a group.
Like whether Ihumātao should have been made an SHA? Or sold to Fletchers for a housing development? Those two decisions impact on them as a group.
What partnership means needs to include Māori perspectives on that. Otherwise it's just the Crown dictating what it wants (which is largely what has happened). Hence situations like Ihumātao.
Gosman []
Private land being used in a legal commercial basis is not a matter of Iwi engagement.
David Mac …
The law of treaty settlements needs to stand. No privately held land can be considered. To waiver from this precedent at this late stage of proceedings would be inviting the devil to dance.
I know you don't think so but I think this site is important to your great great grandchildren. We just busted open the purse for Kate Sheppard's joint. I'm sure that you can appreciate that many NZers, of all complexions, can see merit in making these fields a park for us all to treasure and enjoy.
If Iwi did not agree with the Full and final settlement process then they should have stated so and not participated in the process at all.
what would have happened had they done that?
The same that happened to Nga Puhi
Have listen to the Q and A in the video, there's some ideas there on what could happen. The government, Auckland Council, and Fletchers all have money for instance.
eg AC has $1.8b for open space over the next decade. If they went 50/50 with the Crown, that's 1.5% of that part of AC's budget.
From the press release,
Except that could still be regarded as being part of a Treaty settlement. Legally the Crown has to avoid that as it opens up a massive can of worms if it isn't.
In what way would that be part of a Treaty Settlement? My understanding is that the land is excluded from a treaty settlement because its in private ownership.
The issue is if the Government manages to give them money for the land other Iwi could challenge that as really being part of the Treaty process. Then there will likely be a court case to determine if it was or not.
Barfly 1.1.2.1.2
Gosman
It would seem that the mana whenua not only want the $40 million dollar parcel of land they also want iwi to be able to gain parity payments on their treaty of waitangi settlements. I have seen an article where this was guesstimated to be up to half a billion dollars.
I would rarely if ever find myself in agreement with you on any subject – guess this is a first.
The happiest people about this would be…../drumroll …. the National Party – a half billion dollar gift of bleeding raw meat to energise and renew their supporters for the 2020 election.
Meh I'm now going to start drinking heavily.
Yes ANY agreement on returning the land to the local Iwi will likely lead to other Iwi opening up court cases questioning whether that impacts their own settlement amounts with the Crown. Congrats Jacinda for being so "caring".
[Either you can choose to make a valuable contribution to the discussion or you can choose to troll about the PM's involvement in today's announcement by Kīngitanga. You choose, you accept the consequences – Incognito]
Barfly …
The "Congrats Jacinda for being so "caring"." is just silly Gosman nothing has been agreed by government yet. I personally think it reflects more on the "agreement" facilitated by Kiingi Tuuheitia Pootatau Te Wherowhero VII whereby Tainui would be looking reap 10 s of millions of $ in parity payment.
Dukeofurl …
Its a tricky one.
Kawerau a maki previously had a full and final Treaty settlement that they signed
https://www.govt.nz/treaty-settlement-documents/te-kawerau-a-maki/te-kawerau-a-maki-deed-of-settlement-summary-22-feb-2014/
'The Te Kawerau a Maki Deed of Settlement is the final settlement of all historical Treaty of Waitangi claims of Te Kawerau a Maki resulting from acts or omissions by the Crown prior to 21 September 1992'
KAM had a signed agreement with Fletchers over the land development which involved return of about 20% of the land ( next to the mountain) and a process for access to some of the lower cost housing.
"About 30 per cent would be "affordable", including 40 homes (8 per cent) available to people who belong to the area's whakapapa. Fletcher Building said it would develop a pathway to ownership programme to help Māori into homes. This may involve a shared equity-type scheme,.."
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/114776601/ihumtao-heres-what-fletcher-buildings-480-home-development-would-look-like
'Innovative and Modern' doesnt really cover walking away from 2 previous signed agreements.
mauī …
This sits outside of the treaty as it's private land. Kawerau a maki aren't the only iwi involved, and perhaps if their leadership hadn't been so arrogant as to stitch up a deal with Fletcher without consulting other lhumaatao iwi, then we would have had resolution much earlier.
If it sits outside of the Treaty then why are they asking gummint to pay for it? I'm OK with the Crown paying up but talking nonsense will no help things.
" Kawerau a maki aren't the only iwi involved, "
Thats not the case for the 'Fletchers block' , the manawhenua at 1840 is through the adjacent Oruarangi marae is Kawerau a Maki
Auckland especially iwi interests overlap everywhere thats why they are part of the Tamaki Makarau Collective Redress Deed of Settlement
See my Moderation note @ 3:26 PM.
patricia bremner 1.1.2.1.2.2
No Barfly, Don't do that xx
Drinking never solved anything.
That is not quite true. Patricia. I have found that it emptied a number of half-fulled bottles, which were becoming problematic.
Do I have to put 'sarc' after that one?
Stuart Munro. …
Forgive me, but that drinking solves some kinds of problems is not altogether inconceivable.
Stuart Munro. 1.1.2.1.3
The worms are already there.
One of the foundational principles of our legal system is that you cannot get good title from bad title. Nothing short of full restitution meets that standard.
Dukeofurl 1.1.2.1.3.1
They didnt have fee simple title but customary title – its a technicality. But its pointless raising that type of issue.
Plus the Treaty settlement extinguished all previous claims due to acts of confiscation by the Crown
"the Treaty settlement extinguished all previous claims"
Legally perhaps – the moral claim stands.
If that was the case why 'sign it all away'. They explained all the previous injustice at the Treaty hearings at that very Marae
Regarding Land Titles the current 'Torrens Type Titles didnt exist till after 1870, before that was the 'Deeds System'
https://www.linz.govt.nz/land/land-records/overview/record-types/types-land-records/deeds-and-deed-registers-indexes
Presumably those who signed thought they were being offered all they were going to get. A private entity might want them to sign, existing as they do for short term gain – but the Crown is obliged to work both in the long term best interests of citizens, and so as not to bring the legal system into disrepute – which the confiscations did.
You are going in circular arguments. No one disputes the confiscation in this case was wrong… and surely you cant dispute the Iwi signed a final and final settlement of all the governments wrongs before 1992.
The NZ government much more recently confiscated mineral resources under private citizens land.. at various times.
Gold and silver ( under royal perogative from 1568), petroleum from 1937, uranium from 1945 . Coal may belong to the Crown too in certain circumstances.
Once Fisheries were there for the taking ..no longer the case.
Water is a tricky one
I'm not going in circles at all.
As a private entity one may achieve an unjust outcome through law and count it good, but a government that pretends to be more than a band of brigands cannot. (ie not National)
A full and final settlement that is not just does not resolve an ancestral grievance, even were it honestly designed.
The law is a process to achieve just outcomes in accord with community values. Bureaucratic convenience devices like 'full & final' are not fit for resolving greater issues – they're really to produce compromises when the limited ability of individuals to repay makes that necessary.
Thats what the Treaty settlement process was. Redress for past wrongs.
As far as the Crown goes, they dont 'act in a moral way' at all- it wasnt the case when an iwi which wasnt in rebellion had the land confiscated and it wasnt again in Christchurch when those who werent insured ( for the house ) only recieved half value of their property when it was declared unsellable being inside a Government declared red zone. ( Since fixed by the new Government) Being screwed over is a far more common Crown attitude mostly to 'save money'
Maybe there should be a $50 mill per year , every year fund for the Government to buy land for iwi which had a continuous connection to like at Ihumatao . And that land is important culturally.
And that isnt 'relativised' to other previous Treaty claims. But I cant see it getting through those sort of 'whatabout' roadblocks.
Yes that is why ALL Iwi signed Deeds of Settlement. Now they will know that is not the case if the Government caves in and buys the land
"Thats what the Treaty settlement process was. Redress for past wrongs."
Is that what it was? I thought it was a figleaf of propriety to get Maori 'elites' to endorse a neoliberal model. It came from the corrupt heart of Rogergnomics, so of course it created a festering canker of discontent that ultimately kept the Gnats in power a little down the road.
Dukeofurl 1.1.2.2
Parks and reserves capital spending over next 10 years is around $700 mill. Dont know how much they would have set aside for land purchases.
However the 'total amount' for Ihumatao is a fraction of the Americas Cup spending. ( Grrr)
On the other side , the Council does own
1) The Mountain and Stonefields at Ihumatao ( Its a major Park)
2) Large Block of land next to Fletchers at Corner of Ihumatao and Oruarangi Rds
For some reason the The Tupuna Maunga Authority for Auckland doesnt include Ihumatao mountain and Stonefields
The Americas Cup is the one that puts the whole thing in perspective for me. NZ really has some shocking values at times.
When asked about future development, the wahine (sorry I don't know her name) said,
"The land being returned is for us to determine what happens to it moving forward. What that looks like is up to us to determine, and that's still another step in the process and is a long way away. So what does development actually mean?
… we've never had the opportunity for ourselves to determine for ourselves what happens at Ihumātao, and that's what this has allowed to happen. Having land returned to mana whenua, allows mana whenua to determine the future of Ihumātao. It allows us to thrive and not just be in constant survival mode."
"There are layers of mana whenua here, I can't say who is and who isn't, I can say that we are"
Sacha 2
Winston brings the cold water (scroll down): https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/399023/mana-whenua-reach-decision-on-ihumatao-land
"There would have to be one extraordinarily high benchmark for the government to be involved and hitherto we do not see that benchmark," he said.
And it looks like the SOUL spokesperson who Weka mentioned hearing was Qiane Matata-Sipu.
Formerly Ross 2.1
Winston is being pragmatic. I can recall former PM David Lange saying that under no circumstances would private land be up for negotiation. He was a pragmatist too.
[Fixed two typos in e-mail. Please be more careful]
Dukeofurl 2.2
Qiane is listed as a Spinoff author and of Te Wai-o-hua, Waikato-Tainui
https://thespinoff.co.nz/author/qiane-matata-sipu/
No mention of Kawerau a Maki
It's a first step in several years of processes.
gsays 4
In regards any payment for land, if foreign banks can magic money out of thin air, then so can the local council, the state or local banks.
If they have 'magic money' then why do they borrow from depositors, bond markets and so on.
https://www.interest.co.nz/bonds/101182/asb-borrows-nz600-million-through-five-year-bond-issue-will-pay-investors-interest-just
Is it magic money or the actual way banks make money , borrow short to lend long.
Fractional reserve banking.
When banks loan money on a 'promise to pay', not from cash in their vaults, it's like magic.
Loans arent 'promises' , the full amount is transferred into your account.
You maybe thinking of overdrafts where you might have a deal to go to a certain amount 'just in case'
Why would banks even bother with borrowing from individuals via 'deposits and term investments' PLUS borrowing from bond markets when they can 'magic the money'
ASB bank for 2018 had income from their lending of $4.1 bill and interest costs of $2.1 bill.
Deposits were $62 bill, other bonds borrowing was $20 bill
Like I said they borrow cheaper short-term – which costs them $2.1 bill and lend longer term at higher rates which gets them $4.1 bill.
Its called Banking. Explain how they pay interest of $2.1 bill to others when they can magic the money.
Nic the NZer 4.2
There is one institution in this position, the reserve bank (coupled with treasury) which is wholy part of the government. The difference with others you mention is they have creditors they don't themselves dictate to (eg Auckland council will come under scrutiny if it outspends what central government gives it and doesn't make it up in rates).
The main take away from the banks create money idea is that bank lending is not constrained by their access to bank reserves. This should imply that giving them more (or more liquid) reserves isn't going to spur bank lending or result in a pick up in inflation (and yes QE and similar central bank policies have performed in this way in practice).
Gosman 4.2.1
Lol! You think the problem of money being used to buy this land and give it to Maori is to PRINT money do you? How about we just print a lot of billion dollar notes and give one to each Iwi in the country. That woukd solve everything.
xanthe 4.2.1.1
why not! it worked for wall st
Gosman 4.2.1.1.1
Do you really think it worked for Wall Street?
KJT 4.2.1.1.1.1
Of course it did. The failed bankers still got their bonus's!
Nic the NZer 4.2.1.2
Your comment makes little sense so i dont really know what your saying. All i am claiming is that the government could pay fletchers for the land and the sums are small enough you wont notice that occuring or be negatively effected by it. It will just happen same as other government spending occurs every day.
You can claim that there is money printing involved all you like but the main change is to some account entries inside the reserve banks computer systems causing this to occur.
There is a potentially HUGE implication if the Government decided to spend 40 million on returning this land to the local Iwi. If this came to fruition it would lead to the government having to shell out hundreds and possibly billions more dollars. Do you not know that?
Nic the NZer 4.2.1.2.1.1
You seem to be having a discussion with somebody who claimed the 40 million odd was the big problem here. That wasn't me.
And apparently there may be additional liabilities created somewhere between $200 and $9000000000? Which seems quite a broad estimate.
David Mac 5
It'll be under water in 40 years.
This is a special place for all of us. Like a historic building we only get one chance to take care of these places. This is not a Maori land grab, it's a special spot for all of us.
Our early history should matter to all of us. If we agree that it does, save this place for all of us.
gsays 6.1
A comment from I forget whom, but it stayed with me, that Ihumaatoa is the Aotearoa Stonehenge.
Dukeofurl 6.1.1
It is . That part is already an Auckland park. The current land in dispute is mostly open paddocks
mauī 6.1.1.1
Maaori never went into those neighbouring 'paddocks' in 800 years. In fact they were the first to draw up the surveying lines I suppose…. It was their rubbish dump… etc, etc. Insert whatever white wash here.
Dukeofurl 6.1.1.1.1
The iwi used this block for growing wheat , cropping and cattle at the time of confiscation. Are you saying they werent capapble of using European farming practices?
Was reading the other day about the pre european growing of kumara,often inside walled gardens it involved single plant mounds, but indroduced varieties gave better yields and different methods.
David Mac 6.1.1.1.1.1
It's not important because Maori ran cattle on the site.
It's important because we were living there in the 12th century.
So? Lots of parts of the World have been lived on for longer than that and people are allowed to do something with it. There is already a large part that is protected. Your whole argument about protecting the other areas is because someone lived on it a long time ago and that we can.
Have you ever been to Stonehenge? The protected area of standing stones is quite small and is surrounded by farmland.
Nek minit, 460 houses are built around Stonehenge.
Stonehenge isnt inside a major urban area. Britain has plenty of those historic sites which are inside cities as well.
The kingitangi statement yeasterday didnt rule out once the land was returned it could be sold or turned into housing.
The deal with Fletchers allowed for something like 20% of the land closest to the mountain and stonefields becoming iwi control.
Sure and NZ keeps things in museums, and people can stand right next to those things. Vague comparisons are not really relevant to this discussion.
What you are arguing is Pākehā values. Which is fine. I just don't understand why they should trump Māori values.
The iwi had an agreement with Fletchers which appeared to allow for both. Surely they are the ones to say .
Molly …
"Members within an iwi" reached an agreement with Fletchers that they were individually willing to accept. AFAIK, there were others involved at that time that disagreed, but were not afforded equal consideration.
This fundamentally illustrates why the use of SHA's to avoid existing RMA processes for required consultation can be reasonably expected to result in blowback.
The use of selective choice of representative for any consultative process, can remove the integrity of consultation, while retaining the pretext. This is true, not only for Māori, but other groups as well. Recognising how far some authorities have come from the intent of consultation while improving the look of it, would improve outcomes for all.
What does that even mean.
The SHA mandated that Fletchers have 'low cost housing' which they were prepared to offer for the iwi along with shared equity path to ownership. Returning 20% of the site to the iwi isnt one of the requirements of the SHA.
The other night on that Maori TV series on 'The negoiators' they covered one well known woman who was involved in such settlement talks for her iwi and they showed how on the final day when the Minister and the iwi would sign the deed of Settlement, a group of people who had never participated in any of the hui or talks over the previous decade, they blocked any signing.
I wouldnt want to tell Maori how and when they should negioate if at all, but its a long consultative process involving many meetings and a signoff occurs when consensus is reached.
'Selective representatives' is a normal process but pathway requires broad consensus.
That of course can be blocked at the last minute by people who dont participate in the overall process.
Thats what happened in Ihumatao , where Pania Newton drove back from Rotorua where she was living and who had never taken part in Kawerau A Maki hui or decisions became spokesperson against the agrred development.
Molly, you dont offer any definitive background or information for your claims, which amount to merely 'dont like it' – as though you would ever be asked !
"I wouldnt want to tell Maori how and when they should negioate if at all,.."
And yet here you are, apparently saying Kiingi Tūheitia is wrong when he says the agreement reached by mana whenua is that the land should be returned.
"…but its a long consultative process involving many meetings and a signoff occurs when consensus is reached."
Or a signoff occurs without consensus. Or a signoff happens because the people want to cut their losses and/or think this is the best they can get despite it not being just. You're missing significant aspects here, including that the Crown dictated both the settlement process and who could be legally an Iwi in that process.
I'd like to see your source for that. To make sure it is true, and then to examine it in context.
My understanding is that 6 cousins formed SOUL, and they whakapapa in different ways. Most recent source for that is in the RNZ piece, but it's been a clear narrative for the past two months.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018713927/soul-spokesperson-qiane-matata-sipu-says-winston-wrong-on-ihumatao
There may be a good reason why it is in interest for Tainui to back getting the land back. Do you know what that might be Weka?
I have been involved with a community planning programme that undertook considerable consultation with many members of the community, and documented all feedback, over a period of two years. We used multiple methods of communication, and gave everyone many updates and ways of contributing.
Despite this, against hundreds of registered contact, council representatives chose to listen to the minority of very vocal locals who are part of the longterm network. A verified percentage of 4%, who didn't undertake any information gathering, discussion with other residents or consideration of long term community benefits. As our local board members are fond of saying, "If we listened to the community, we would never get anything done".
I was part of a community planning network, and although we were a community fighting against a long established old boys network, we were not the only ones. We were very careful to document, but even that means nothing if personal views and relationships take precedence.
The SHA was a mechanism that was legal, but it was always flawed.
I looked at purchasing a section in Ihumatao, about twenty years ago, and another friend purchased the same section around two years later. They have been involved with previous discussions with Manukau District Council, and have invested a lot of their own resources (time and money) with bringing this matter to the attention of council, and other iwi.
I have had considerable contact with Auckland Council during consultation with the Unitary Plan, both as a representative of a community and as an individual. From my own experience, the attention given to feedback is filtered, both by the local boards, and in terms of framework, directed towards certain outcomes.
For that reason, I think it is naiive to assume that Auckland Council have acted with integrity on this issue.
Formerly Ross …
Weka,
What are Māori values? Of course, the government makes decisions for all NZers, not for a minority of NZers.
Do you see a difference between how many Pākehā think about Ihumātao, and how mana whenua do?
Formerly Ross 7
Maori assets are worth in excess of $40 billion. Land that's worth about $40 million equals about one-tenth of one percent of the value of those assets.
If Ihumatao means so much to so many Maori, the answer is obvious. Maori have the ability to buy the land. Receiving it as a gift from the Government would be disheartening, disempowering and would smack of tokenism. Surely Maori have had enough tokenism from Pakeha.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12224193
mauī 7.1
Yeah and maybe the government can setup a givealittle page for the land buyback… 😆
Or Iwi could set up a givealittle page on their own.
michelle 7.2
So you formely ross want us to buy our own land back taken because we wouldn't swear an allegience to Queen Victoria this sounds rather sick to me. Waikato people were punished for not allowing their men to go to the war yet they had good reason land confiscation was why and then when our men that did go got back they were treated like second class citizens with land, benefits, housing all went to pakeha so much for being a fair country and all of us having equal opportunities this is all bullshit
Formerly Ross 7.2.1
So you formely ross want us to buy our own land back
You have not shown that it is your land. But you are welcome to provide creative solutions to ensure Fletchers are no worse off, bearing in mind that any solution should not rely on disempowering Maori.
Great news, our government have seen fit to spend 4.5 million dollars on purchasing the house Kate Sheppard lived in for some time. I don't understand why the same reasoning that facilitated that purchase doesn't apply at Ihumātao.
….maybe if Hone Heke was white and lived at Ihumātao for a few years.
Kate Sheppard house will be owned by the Crown so that anyone, including Maori, can visit. The Crown could subsequently sell the property and realise any gain from the sale. I guess the Government could do the same with Ihumātao.
By the way, today marks the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote in New Zealand.
David Mac 8.1.1
Just as Fletchers have attempted to do, if Tainui buy the site they would be well within their rights to fence it off, do as they like with it and regulate access. We need to be finding ways to unite us, not hammering in wedges.
Yes, as you say Crown ownership would provide access to all, including pakeha. Yes, if circumstances change in the future, the Crown could sell the site. It's not many feet above the Manukau Harbour, the Crown may well be marketing it as a potential marina site in 50 years.
I have no problem if Tainui buy the site and do that. You can't just rock up to Stonehenge and have a look around.
Stonehenge is owned by the Crown. What you appear to be saying is that if Māori want to protect their important sites and history they have to fund it themselves, but Pākehā can have the government fund the sites and history important to Pākehā.
you have no problem us buying our confiscated land back gosman
That is correct. The legally confiscated land.
Psycho Milt …
"Legally" confiscated indeed. Mind you, "legally" often doesn't mean much:
Between 1933 and 1945 the Reich's Courts sentenced at least 72 German juveniles to death, among them 17-year-old Helmuth Hübener, found guilty of high treason for distributing anti-war leaflets in 1942.
"Legally" executed children, for example.
Silly them, should have just taken the Nazis to court to sort that out.
Are you comparing the NZ justice system to the Nazi justice system?
No, I'm ridiculing your idea that Māori should have taken the NZ government to court and argued they weren't rebels in order to get their land back, as if them actively trying for 200 years to get legal redress hadn't happened.
The NZ legal system HAS provided Maori with redress over ownership rights. Remember the Foreshore and Seabed debate.
Not sure what you mean there Gosman. The Foreshore and Seabed Act stole land from Māori and removed their rights to legal action.
But sure, there have been some redresses, in a limited way.
I did not mention the Act. I mentioned the debate. What was the catalyst for the Act being pushed through in to law?
Some Pākehā fearmongering that Māori were going to lock up the beaches if they weren't stopped.
I'm curious where you are going with this. You do realise that Clark passed the Act to *remove Māori legal rights?
Yes and that was wrong (but still legal)
Nope, just using a handy example to demonstrate that "legal" is no indicator of merit.
Germany ain't a great example. After World War I, Germany "forfeited 13 percent of its European territory (more than 27,000 square miles) and one-tenth of its population (between 6.5 and 7 million people)." That can happen when you lose a war. 🙂
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/map/german-territorial-losses-treaty-of-versailles-1919
michelle …
legally confiscated under two acts created primarily to take our land the settlement act and the rebellious act because our coloniser could not win the war with guns so they used the pen stop making excuses gosman
Gosman 8.2
Do you want the government to purchase it and keep it in State hands like they are doing with Kate Sheppard's old house?
I would object if the State purchased the house and gave it back to Kate Sheppard's family.
It's an important historic site to anyone that has an interest in pre European NZ. I don't think this is a Brown/Euro thing but that's the engine room for the friction.
The part that is of interest is already protected. The rest of it has been part of a working farm for over a hundred years.
David Mac 8.2.1.1.1
Visualise Stonehenge surrounded by 100's of squeezed in McMansions. Yes, it is surrounded by open fields, what a great idea, we should do the same. Plane Spotters Park.
We are so close to agreement Gos.
Best you go there David ..its no plane spotters park
Ahh ok, it looks just round the coast from Mangere airport
Oh! your comment that I was responding to disappeared!
David you can find out about the Mountain and otautaua-stonefields here
https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/arts-culture-heritage/heritage-walks-places/Documents/otautaua-stonefields-historic-reserve-brochure.pdf
Thanks Duke, interesting as it is, I get the feeling you have provided me with this link because of some perceived gap in my knowledge of the place. I haven't walked it, I Google maps zoomed in and out. Viewed the site from the major roads, flown over it. For me the gems in that brochure are paragraphs like…
"The Otuataua Stonefields and the surrounding areas have been occupied and cultivated since the earliest days of settlement in the region. A recent carbon age estimate for shell midden from an archaeological site on nearby Puketutu Island dates to the 12th century; this is currently one of the earliest dates for human occupation in Aotearoa (New Zealand)."
We get one chance to look after places like this. Those 10 kms of Southern Motorway before the Bombay Hills, 1000's of acres suitable for building and laying rails.
Specific Archeological sites that arent previously known about are protected in anycase during a development process , but in this area the whole historic stonefields are in a reserve and wont be built on.
Its not always common but this is an instance of historically important sites being saved and housing can both occur because they arent together. Raising this as still an issue , when its all about the return of the open fields, just confuses people.
michelle 8.2.1.3
it actually is brown/ euro thing if you look at whose historical sites have been protected and whose haven't
The Stonefields sites HAVE been protected. The paddocks that may or may not have been used in other types of agriculture haven't been.
Can you find me some land that was used for agricultural purposes by NZ Europeans which is protected on the same scale as as Ihumaatao?
arkie 8.2.1.3.1.1
Molesworth Station for one.
What is a pastoral lease if not Govt protection of European agricultural purposes?
More than 2 million hectares of high country owned by the Crown have been leased to farmers, who have exclusive and perpetual rights to that land and have farmed it for 150 years.
Tenure review, a voluntary process under Crown Pastoral Land Act 1998, enables leasehold land capable of sustaining a range of commercial uses to be freeholded.
At the same time, areas with important inherent values – conservation, historic, landscape, cultural, recreation and public access – can be restored to Crown ownership as public conservation land.
– Mathew Clark, NZ Herald, 26 Aug 2006
LOL! Are you claiming Pastoral leases are there to protect the land for historical purposes?
No I found you some land that was used for agricultural purposes by NZ Europeans which is protected on an even larger scale than Ihumaatao.
Then I quoted a tenure review expert pointing out a method through the Crown Pastoral Land Act 1998 that Crown pastoral land can be freeholded or alternatively restored to Crown ownership as public land. This is an example of protections of NZ european farming concerns.
You chose to ignore my points to quibble about a claim of your own imagining. Strawman.
There is no cultural basis behind pastoral leases and they are not protected for historical reasons. You may as well claim National parks were set up to protect land for NZ Europeans.
Not Europeans, but this Chinese market garden site has been protected,
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/114079392/heritage-protection-for-ashburton-chinese-market-garden
The buildings have been protected. Not the ground on it's own.
What's your point?
My point is the equivalent of the buildings have been protected at Ihumaatao. It is the surrounding land that you are trying to argue is somehow culturally significant. Your example does not equate to that.
"The buildings are already protected under the council district plan, but from today, the whole site will get protection and any earthworks or proposals to develop the land will require permission from us along with the land owners."
So the ground has been protected.
So if it is already protected what is the problem?
All of the NZ land farmed by Europeans in the 12th century is protected. If there was such a place we'd be moving the Beehive to the sacred site.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018713926/winston-peters-getting-involved-in-ihumatao-may-not-be-in-the-national-interest
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018713938/maori-news-correspondent-leigh-marama-mclachlan-on-ihumatao
good luck sorting that can of worms
David Mac 10
We were living there during the European Middle Ages. King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table times. I think that's significant beyond the already protected stonefields. A significance that should have little to do with the colour of our skin.
Dukeofurl 10.1
What historical significance does a paddock which over some long time has used for growing vegetables, crops and more recently cows have. Its not what is called hsirorically significant.
You are just repeating claims for the stonefields which are protected with the paddocks which arent
believe me when you go there you will know the difference. Google maps shouldnt be the basis to claim historically significance.
David Mac 10.1.1
I can zoom right in or out via an aerial photo.
I don't think me walking the site is at the core of our bone of contention Duke. I'm of the opinion 'Wow, people tilled the soil here when Robin Hood was operational." and you're of the opinion 'So what?'
Gosman 10.1.1.1
Yeah. People tilled the soil in lots of places that are now covered with buildings of all sorts. Why are these fields any more special than those lands?
mauī 10.1.1.1.1
So you haven't been following this issue at all… and now you've decided it's just some random fields being fought over.
David Mac 10.1.1.1.2
Not in NZ they didn't. 12th century is about as far back as human records go here. We are the newest land mass on Earth and the last to be occupied. 12th century is nothing to an indigenous Australian, a tick of the clock on their timeline. For us, it is the beginning of people here.
I appreciate that many might have a 'So what?' view of the issue. Many don't.
Formerly Ross 11
The law was changed in 1993 so that the Waitangi Tribunal could not recommend that private land be confiscated by the Crown or returned to Maori. What are the benefits of that law?
https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/Te-Manutukutuku-Issue-23.pdf


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During the winter, the Harford County school board labored long hours trying to decide on the right combination of new positions and programs to include for next year.
But now the board is in retreat mode.
After its request for a $20 million increase in the school budget for next year was cut to about $8 million by County Executive David R. Craig, the board worked last week to scale back its plan, facing the reality that many of the anticipated enhancements envisioned for 2007-2008 school year will not materialize.
The adjustments approved during a budget work session Wednesday include: holding to a 3 percent cost-of-living increase for teachers; rejecting the addition of clerical and custodial staff; forgoing programs to provide more academic help for struggling students; and keeping seven of nearly 30 additional jobs.
"We have to revise budget assumptions, reduce existing programs, reduce new initiatives and remove new positions from the cost of doing business," said James Jewell, budget director for the school system.
Though the reduction in county money caused consternation among school officials, Craig argued that, combined with an increase in state money, the school board received the overall increase it sought.
"There are no cuts," Craig said. "Schools are getting $28 million more than last year. Their percentage of the county budget is bigger" than that of any other county agency.
Originally, the board requested $41 million more in its operating budget than it got in the current year, a figure made up of state and county money. That was reduced to $28.9 million at Wednesday's session, with $20.8 million coming from the state and the rest from the county, part of an overall $403.7 million budget.
The board cut nearly $5 million from the $9 million it had proposed for salary increases. All teachers will get the cost-of-living increase, but only a limited number of step raises will be distributed, primarily to veteran instructors.
"A reduction in wages is never a good option, but there is no other place to get what we need," Jewell said.
Salary increases two years ago moved Harford teachers from near the lowest-paid among Maryland's 24 jurisdictions to about the middle.
The starting salary is $46,000 annually, but retention remains difficult, and competition for high-quality teachers is stiff, said John Jones, president of the Harford County Education Association, which represents teachers. The association is in the midst of annual contract negotiations.
"Even at 3 percent, we are treading water," Jones said. "We are competing with the metro area and southern Pennsylvania for good teachers. Let's see where this $4 million left in the budget takes us."
The effort to reduce the budget began late last month when Craig announced that the schools' increase in county money would be $8.3 million. The board went to work to scrap several items.
"The board worked hard on the priority list and why those items were needed," said Ruth R. Rich, board member. "In retrospect, we could have saved ourselves that work. We are going to realize difficulties in the future because these things are not funded."
The list included software upgrades for the substitute teacher system, additional counselors and a reorganization of the public information department, technicians and maintenance workers.
County schools have added 1 million square feet in the past eight years, but the number of custodians remains at 1998 levels. Lack of personnel forced the county to increase the operating standard from one custodian per 18,000 square feet to one per 20,000 square feet.
"We will put up with these cuts, but keeping Harford County a first-class system from top to bottom is difficult," said Mark M. Wolkow, board president. "We are growing in all kinds of ways but doing more with less."
The board preserved after-school programs at several elementaries but could not proceed with similar activities in middle schools.
It will hire four elementary "special areas" teachers but will lose more than 25 other proposed positions, many of which were intended to mentor the county's academically neediest students.
"Given that all students must excel on state tests, it is a shame that we can't afford to put interventions in place," Rich said. "If I had my way, every child would be offered intervention, whether it was gifted and talented or special needs."
The board also eliminated another assistant principal for Prospect Mill Elementary. The new hire was intended to oversee fifth-graders while they attend classes at Southampton Middle, a move to ease crowding at the elementary school, which is at 140 percent of capacity and surrounded by portable classrooms. That temporary resolution is expected to continue until a new school is built in about three years.
Thomas L. Fidler Jr., school board vice president, said the county should fund the position and begin building the elementary immediately.
The board voted unanimously on the cuts and will send the amended $404 million budget, with its $28 million increase, to the County Council for enactment.


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ject Many times this object could be accomplished in a short period. At other times, the object required the whole life to be devoted to it. In the case of Samson the object was, to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines. This he would not fully accomplish; and therefore he must be a Nazarite to the day of his death.
The wife of Manoah expresses the common opinion concerning the appearance of an angel. It was very terrible, for the reason probably, that she was greatly terrified.
Wine and strong drink. Strong drink differed from wine, by its having some drug put in it, that made it more exhilarating and more hurtful. The distinction between wine and strong drink authorizes the conclusion that wine itself is not strong drink.
Manoah did not reason that, because God had a spe. cific design to accomplish, through the mission of Samson, therefore, the parents had nothing to do. On the contrary, he sought exact instructions about the management of the child.
The last clause of verse 10th is literally "by day." Are we not to infer that such appearances were more commonly in the night?
How shall we order the child, and how shall we do unto him? More literally, What shall be the judgment of the child, and what shall be his work ? What do you wish the boy to do; and from what shall he guard himself ?" Vulgate. The answer was that the mother should observe the instructions given her on the former occasion.
The statement that Manoah knew not it was an angel he was talking with, is explanatory of what had gone before, which was liable to a misconstruction. His proposition to bring a kid might be understood of a kid för a sacrifice; or a kid for å common meal. As he knew not it was an angel, the proposition must have reference to a common meal. The words of the angel, however, show that it is not proper to offer sacrifices even to angels, but to God only. It should be added that the
wife had not called the visitor an angel. She had only said that his appearance was like an angel. But if he were not an angel, he was a prophet; and it was proper to treat him with the usual hospitality. Giving him a dinner, under the circumstances, was the least that could be expected of them.
It was common however, to offer a sacrifice to Jehovah, in connection with an ordinary feast. This probably had been the intention of Manoah from the first. The sacrifice was first offered ; then the feast followed. This was the order now observed; but strange to tell, the mysterious visitor disappears in the sacrifice, and so does not wait for the proffered feast.
One may be surprised that Manoah did not invite the man into his house, and give him an entertainment there. The reason is two-fold. He had some suspicions that the man might be an angel ; and besides, all' sacrifices were offered in the open air. Hence the proposition to bring the kid into the field. It is not inprobable that, since the angel had declined to eat food with Manoah, the latter had offered the whole kid in sacrifice, and retained none for a feast.
Manoah had the popular idea that seeing an angel was fatal. He speaks of the angel as God, even after the former had said to him that he was not God, or had used language that implied this. The explanation is, that such appearances were God, and were not God, according to the different constructions that may be put upon that language. The appearance was not God, as God is never circumscribed or compressed into the form and size of a man. God fills the universe with his presence ; and is never less than that. But the appearance was God, as it represented the divine being - spake in his name and by his authority. In the same way it is true that Moses saw God face to face; and also true that no man can see God.
The reply of the wife to Manoah, is as beautiful as it
is forcible and conclusive. "If he were pleased to kill us, he would not receive offerings at our hands."
Burnt offerings and meat offerings. A complete sacrifice consisted of three parts; a burnt offering, which was some animal; a meat offering, made of flour, oil, &c; and a drink offering of wine. The latter is not mentioned here, probably because wine was forbidden to the wife, and therefore not provided for the occasion.
Concerning sacrifices, see Vol. III, pp. 122-126. The camp of Dan was between Zorah and Eshtaol. These places were evidently near together. This will account for their being mentioned together, on the list of the cities of Dan. Jos. xix. 41.
This camp was near the home of Samson; and it was here that he showed indications of being under some special influence, that manifested itself in extraordinary feats of strength.
" It is not at all likely that the Philistines, who had the Israelites at that time entirely under their subjection, should suffer them to have any standing camp." Stack. house. We need not regard it as filled with armed men. Having once been occupied as a camp, it still retained the name, and was a suitable place for athletic exercises, and was resorted to by Samson and others for that purpose.
SECTION II. - Samson's MARRIAGE,
JUD. XIV. 1. And Samson went down to brethren, or among all my people, Timnath, and saw a woman in Tim. that thou goest to take a wife of nath of the daughters of the Philis- the uncircumcised Philistines ? And tines.
Samson said unto his father, Get 2. And he came up, and told his her for me; for she pleasuth me father and bis mother, and said, I well. have seen a woman in Timnath of 4. But his father and his mother the danghters of the Philistines: knew not that it was of the Lord, now therefore get her for me to that he sought an occasion against wife.
the Philistines ; for at that time the 3. Then bis father and his moth- Philistines had dominion over Israel. er said unto him, Is there never a 8. Then went Samson down, and woman among the daughters of thy his father and his mother, to Tim.
nath, and came to the vineyards of out of the strong came forth sweetTimnath: and behold a young lion ness. And they could not in three roared against him.
days expound the riddle. 6. And the Spirit of the Lord 15. And it came to pass on the came mightily upon him, and he seventh day, that they said unto rent him as he would have rent a Samson's wife, Enjice thy husband, kid, and he had nothing in his that he may declare unto us the hand: but he told not his father riddle, lest we burn thee and thy or his mother what he had done. father's house with fire; have ye
7. And he went down, and talked called us to take that we have ? with the woman: and she pleased is it not so ? Samson well.
16. And Samson's wife wept be8. And after a time he returned fore him and said, Thou dost but to take her, and he turned aside to hate me, and lovest me not; thou see the carcass of the lion; and be- hast put forth a riddle unto the hold, there was a swarm of bees and children of my people, and hast not honey in the carcass of the lion.
told it me. Aud he said unto her, 9. And he took thereof in his Behold, I have not told it my fathhands, and went on eating, and er nor my mother, and shall I tell came to his father and mother, and it thee? he gave them, and they did eat: 17. And she wept before him the but he told not them that he had seven days, while the feast lasted; taken the honey out of the carcass and it came to pass on the seventh of the lion.
day, that he told her, because she lay 10. So his father went down unto sore upon him: and she told the the woman; and Samson made there riddle to the children of her people. a feast: for so used the young men 18. And the men of the city said to do,
unto him on the seventh day be11. And it came to pass, when fore the sun went down. What is they saw him, that they brought sweeter than honey ? and what is thirty companions to be with him. stronger than a lion ? And he said
12. And Samson said unto them, unto them, If ye had not plowed I will now put forth a riddle unto with my heifer, ye had not found you; if ye can certainly declare it out my riddle. me within the seven days of the 19. And the Spirit of the Lord feast, and find it out, then I will came upon him, and he went down give you thirty sheets and thirty to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men change of garments :
of them, and took their spoil, and 13. But if ye cannot declare it gave change of garments unto them me, then shall ye give me thirty which expounded the riddle. And sheets and thirty change of gar- bis anger was kindled, and he went ments, And they said unto him, up to his father's house. Put forth thy riddle, that we may
20. But Samson's wife was given hear it.
to his companion, whom he had 14. And he said unto them, Out used as his friend. of the eater came forth meat, and
We have heard of Timnath before. It was the place where Judah, the son of Jacob, kept his sheep, and
"The young of
whither he went at shearing time. Gen. xxxviii. 12. Judah went up to Timnath ; and Samson went down to the same place. Their respective residences were in different directions from that town.
"She pleaseth me well." Dr. Clarke quotes the following stanza as applicable to Samson's views of his intended wife :
" Thou hast no fault, or I do fault can spy,
Thou art all beauty, or all blindness I." The sequel shows the latter part of the verse to have been the truth.
It was not permitted by the law of Moses that an Israelite should marry out of the nation. It was only per. mitted, in the present instance, to accomplish a special purpose of the Almighty.
A young lion. A lion of the lions. a lion." Sep. and Vul. More probably a very strong lion. As the phrase "king of kings" denotes a very powerful king, and a "servant of servants and degraded servant, so a "lion of lions" must be understood as we have suggested. The authors of the Septuagint and Vulgate, as well as English version, evidently desired to reduce the lion to the natural strength of a man. The author of this history had a different view of the subject.
The vineyards of Timnath. The finest vineyards and the best wine in the world were found in this country.
Seven days of the feast Marriage feasts were com. monly held seven days. It was so in Syria when Jacob was married.
Gen. xxix. 27, 28. It was common to make presents of raiment. Not thirty sheets, but thirty shirts -- not thirty changes of raiment, but thirty cloaks or mantles, such as all Orientals were accustomed to wear. See Gen. xlv. 22; 2 Chron. ix. 24; Ezra ii. 69; Neh. vii. 70.
We should expect the word for feast to be taken from some term that denotes eating. But it is from a word
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The guitar virtuoso died of a heart attack on April 16 at the age of 70.
Holdsworth, who died of a heart attack on April 16 at the age of 70, was the guitarist other players looked up to.
But his daunting talent was also evident in the viewing. Holdsworth's fret-hand reach was legendary and intimidating to view. It's not surprising that few guitarists have attempted to replicate his music. The physical challenges and technical hurdles alone are enough to rule out most players.
After taking up guitar in the early Sixties at the relatively late age of 17, Holdsworth plied his own singular approach to the instrument, first as a sideman and later on his own. Following an album with the legendary avant-jazz group Soft Machine in 1975, he migrated first to drummer Tony Williams' Lifetime project, then to French-English prog rockers Gong, before landing in the supergroup U.K. in 1978. It was there, working alongside drummer Bill Bruford, bassist John Wetton, and keyboardist Eddie Jobson, that Holdsworth first came to the attention of many guitarists.
In 1982, he launched his prodigious solo career, one that saw him release some 15 authorized live and studio albums of largely original compositions, alongside collaborations with fusion guitarist Frank Gambale and jazz pianist Gordon Beck. The resulting catalog found Holdsworth straddling the genres of jazz, rock, and prog. He was also been something of a technological pioneer for his embrace in the Eighties of the SynthAxe, a guitar-like MIDI controller he enthusiastically put to use in his music for some 15 years.
Earlier this month, on April 7, Holdsworth's long career was celebrated with the release of The Man Who Changed Guitar Forever!, a box set comprising all 12 of his solo albums from 1982 to 2003. Sadly, he died unexpectedly just nine days after its release. The cause of his death has not yet been made public.
Holdsworth's family has set up a GoFundMe page to help pay for his funeral expenses. To contribute, please visit here.
Allan Holdsworth's unique contribution to the electric guitar is unquantifiable. I remember him saying to me once that his goal was to create a catalog of music that was undiluted. Well, that he did…. Dear Allan, you were extraordinary and from all of us who you've touched so deeply with your brilliance, we are grateful. Rest in deep peace my friend.
R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth. You remain an enormous inspiration to me. Your beautiful music will live on forever.
It is with great sadness that we heard of the passing of Allan Holdsworth, wonderful talent and true Gentleman. R.I.P.
I'm very saddened to hear about the death of Allan Holdsworth today. He was a huge influence on my playing as well an incredible artist and innovator who will be missed greatly.
Allan Holdsworth, legendary guitarist of our generation !
Rest in peace, my brother Allan.


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Within a few days of arriving at our new house, it was time for Katie to start preschool as well. She had been looking forward to this day for so long. We feel really blessed to have such a wonderful place for her to go. There are only 9 other kids in her class and the teachers are so loving.
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História de Amor is a Brazilian telenovela produced and displayed at the time of 18 hours by TV Globo, July 3, 1995 to March 2, 1996, in 209 chapters.

It was written by Manoel Carlos, in collaboration with Elizabeth Jhin, Marcus Toledo and Maria Carolina, directed by Ricardo Waddington, Roberto Naar and Alexander Avancini, artistic direction of Paul Ubiratan, direction, production Ruy Mattos.

The novel was Regina Duarte, José Mayer, Carla Marins, Carolina Ferraz, Eva Wilma, Cláudio Corrêa e Castro, Nuno Leal Maia, Lília Cabral, José de Abreu and Ângelo Paes Leme playing their central roles in the plot.

Synopsis
Helena (Regina Duarte) is a sweet, honest, sensitive and very warlike woman who faces the untimely severity of her daughter Joyce (Carla Marins), who in turn is abandoned by her boyfriend, the irresponsible Caio (Ângelo Paes Leme). The biggest problem is the girl's father, Assunção (Nuno Leal Maia), Helena's ex-husband, who tries to blame his daughter's pregnancy on Helena's morals.

Single and alone, Helena arises a passion for endocrinologist Carlos Alberto (José Mayer), and has her feelings matched. But Carlos is committed to a possessive Paula (Carolina Ferraz), madly in love with him, who suffers from constant bouts of jealousy. Her parents, Zuleika (Eva Wilma) and Rômulo (Cláudio Correia e Castro), are looking forward to or marrying their daughter with Carlos, who will save the family from financial decline.

But Carlos is the kind of man that as women really do not forget. Even married to Paula and in love with Helena, he is still besieged by ex-wife Sheyla (Lília Cabral), who does not like to have lost him and dreams of a rapprochement.

Cast

 Supporting cast

 Alexia Deschamps - Márcia Vieira Salles
 Andréa Avancini - cliente de Carlos
 André Ricardo - Luiz Assunção (Luizinho)
 Buza Ferraz - Marcos
 Carolyna Aguiar - Lu
 Edson Silva - Ramiro
 Fábio Junqueira - Fabrício
 Felipe Vasconcelos - Walter
 Fernanda Nobre - Student Assunção
 Francisco Carvalho - Zé
 Ilva Niño - Chica
 Ingrid Fridman - Ritinha Xavier
 Isabela Bicalho - Elizete
 Jorge Cherques - Noé
 Jorge Coutinho - Ernani
 José Augusto Branco - Dr. Alfredo (doctor who examines Olga)
 Joyce Santos - Kátia
 Júlia Almeida - Duda
 Júnior Prata - Herculano (Gas station attendant where Paula and Helena fight)
 Larissa Queiroz - Student Assunção
 Licurgo Spínola - doctor
 Milton Gonçalves - priest
 Nica Bonfim - Roseli (wife of Ramiro)
 Nívea Stelmann - Store clerk
 Sérgio Hondjakoff - Student Assunção
 Tatiana Issa - Louise
 Thomas Morkos - Zezinho
 Úrsula Corona - Aninha

External links

1995 Brazilian television series debuts
1996 Brazilian television series endings
1995 telenovelas
TV Globo telenovelas
Brazilian telenovelas
Portuguese-language telenovelas


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Steelers vs. Bills, Week 14: First Quarter Live Game Update
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The Pittsburgh Steelers were the only losing team to go into the 13th week, however Washington football team Put an end to any dreams of a perfect season. The road to the Steelers, who were playing their third game in 12 days, got no easier as they traveled to play red-hot for the buffalo Bills In Sunday Night Football.
After losing the opening coin toss, Bills opted to defer their possessions early in the second half, and Ben Rothlisberger and company would start playing football. After Ray-Ray McLeod made the questionable decision to get out of the final zone in the football kickoff, the Steelers' drive lasted only three plays before being thrown to the buffalo.
Josh Allen and Bill's initial offensive movement didn't last much longer than Pittsburgh, and Rothlisberger and the offense landed on the field before you knew it. After the First Town reception, Dionte Johnson continues to wipe the drops. Not even in the middle of the first quarter, Johnson already had two, and the latter resulted in another Jordan Berry Bundle.
It was the Steelers pass rush that began to affect the game after Alan Cole hit Beasley below the Bills first. After DJ Watt first went down to a good pass defense, Cam Hayward just hit Allen's hand, and Mike Hilton interrupted when he threw.
After the Steelers failed to turn the interception into the first fall, the offense of the bill continued to fight and matched the Steelers' offensive inefficiency with their three and out.
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Q: Plot Categorical Leaflet Polygons from a csv in R I want to plot each polygon with the color stated in the column 'Categories' in the dataframe 'new'
This is what the dataframe 'new' looks like:

palcat <- colorFactor(new$Categories)

## to delete the special characters in each polygon value (new$Polygon)
new$Polygon <- chartr('()[]','    ', new$Polygon)

#subset Polygon column
blocks <- new$Polygon

####          PLOT TO LEAFLET          ####
map <- leaflet()

counter <- 1

for(i in blocks){
  m <- matrix(as.numeric(strsplit(blocks,",")[[counter]]),ncol=2,byrow=TRUE)
  palcat <- colorFactor(viridis(20), new$Categories)
  map <- addPolygons(map, data = m, color = 'black', weight = 0.25,
                     smoothFactor = 0.5,opacity = 1.0, fillOpacity = 0.1,fillColor = ~palcat(Categories))

  counter <- counter + 1
}

# map %>%  addPolygons(new$Polygon, fillColor = colorFactor(new$Categories))
map
map %>% addProviderTiles(providers$CartoDB.Positron)

If you change the color directly in fillColor = "blue", it works

    fillColor = colorFactor(new$Categories))

inside the addPolygon part but since it's inside the loop that turns each Polygon Cell to a Matrix its not working. Any ideas on how to fix this?

A: You need to use an id so that your function fillcolor know which color of the vector is to be used. I proposed a reproducible example as you did not provide your own data:
# Create a polygons
xy = cbind(
  x = c(13.4, 13.4, 13.6, 13.6, 13.4),
  y = c(48.9, 49, 49, 48.9, 48.9)
    )

# Create blocks as in your data
blocks <- c(paste(c(t(xy)), collapse = ", "), paste(c(t(xy+0.1)), collapse = ", "))

# Create vector of colors like your categories
fillColor <- c("blue", "red")
# Create id
id <- 1:2

map <- leaflet()
counter <- 1
for(i in blocks){
  m <- matrix(as.numeric(strsplit(blocks,",")[[counter]]),ncol=2,byrow=TRUE)
  map <- addPolygons(map, data = m, color = 'black', weight = 0.25,
                     smoothFactor = 0.5,opacity = 1.0, fillOpacity = 0.1,
                     fillColor = fillColor[id[counter]])
  counter <- counter + 1
}
map

I did a blog article on multiple polygons in a loop with leaflet if needed.
Edit: Be careful when using color names, they should exist in html/css. Otherwise, you should better use hexa code.
So, doing that with your dataset should be:
# Create vector of colors like your categories
fillColor <- new$Categories
# Create id
id <- 1:nrow(new)

map <- leaflet()
counter <- 1
for(i in blocks){
  m <- matrix(as.numeric(strsplit(blocks,",")[[counter]]),ncol=2,byrow=TRUE)
  map <- addPolygons(map, data = m, color = 'black', weight = 0.25,
                     smoothFactor = 0.5,opacity = 1.0, fillOpacity = 0.1,
                     fillColor = fillColor[id[counter]])
  counter <- counter + 1
}
map

If you still have problems, this may be in your dataset. In that case, you will need to share it.

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MR L K Advani has, once again, declared his intention of going on a rath yatra. This will be his sixth since the infamous 1992 yatra that left behind a mayhem of communal bloodshed. Notwithstanding the law of diminishing returns – that has been operating exponentially with him – he has undauntedly announced yet another yatra.
The yatra that he began in September 1990 under the battle cry of "mandir wahin banayenge" led to the demolition of the Babri Masjid – universally considered as the darkest blot in the history of modern secular democratic Indian Republic. This rath yatra left behind a bloody trail. Within two months, by December, the media was reporting the death of nearly a thousand people in communal clashes. Thousands of others were seriously injured and many uprooted from their habitat. The well-known Indian litterateur, Bisham Sahni, whose work Tamas captured the travails of the partition, that he personally lived through, said that he was afraid during Advani's rath yatra unlike what he was during the bloody partition.
Mr Advani and the RSS/BJP are hoping that by sharpening communal polarisation, the BJP can reap political dividends like after the 1992 yatra. This infamous yatra not only led to the demolition of the Babri Masjid but it deeply poisoned our secular polity. It, however, catapulted the BJP to form a thirteen-day government in 1996 and a thirteen-month government in 1998. Only its government formed in 1999 could complete its full term. However, on all these three occasions, Mr Advani, in spite of his stellar contributions, was pipped to the post of prime minister. The BJP allies preferred Mr Vajpayee as opposed to the communal stridency of Mr Advani.
Alas, a similar fate appears to befall Mr Advani once again. This announcement of the rath yatra came soon after the BJP president announced that it would contest the 2014 elections on the basis of a `collective leadership'. By announcing this yatra, Mr Advani seems to be rubbishing this presidential directive. The BJP president himself, according to media reports, underwent a bariatric surgery – recommended only for severely obese people – to loose weight. While his medical condition needs to be sympathised, this move is cynically being interpreted by some as an effort to be physically fit for any eventuality post 2014 General Elections. It is a well-known fact that the BJP leaders of the opposition in both the Houses of the Parliament are also serious contenders for such an eventuality.
In the meanwhile, the Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, deliberately misreading the latest Supreme Court decision has interpreted this to be a `clean chit' absolving him of his complicity in the 2002 communal carnage in Gujarat. The Supreme Court, on the contrary, has directed the trial court to expeditiously proceed with the trial of the Gulbarga society case by handing over all material to it including the reports of the Amicus Curae and that of the special investigation team, to be considered as evidence. The matter has, thus, gone beyond the filing of an FIR against Mr Modi. The issue is now of a trial on these charges. Mr Modi, however, on the basis of his own interpretation has announced a hunger strike hoping to attract national attention a la Anna Hazare. This is his announcement seeking entry into national politics.
The RSS/BJP's internal bickering is its internal affair. It is upto it to decide who its prime ministerial aspirant will be. However, this reminds us of a saying in Telugu. A person who is neither married nor has a house declares his son's name! There is no election in the offing nor are there indications of any groundswell of support for the BJP. Yet, this crazy race.
Returning to Mr Advani's yatra, he has declared that this would be against corruption. Riding on the widespread popular sentiment against corruption galvanised by Anna Hazare's fast, Mr Advani seems to believe that this anti-corruption campaign is transferable! Mr Advani and the BJP will do well to look inwards. While Mr Advani was announcing his yatra, the Lokayukta of Chattisgarh has severely indicted the Raman Singh-led BJP government in the state for rampant corruption in every department, equating corrupt officers with "fish in the pond dying to consume more and more water". This comes days after the Karnataka Lokayukta holding the BJP government guilty of severe corruption. After much resistance and reluctance, the BJP was forced to ask CM Yedyurappa to step down. Soon followed the arrest of the Reddy brothers, former ministers in the state cabinet, on the issue of large-scale illegal mining. In haste, the BJP has changed its chief minister in Uttarakhand before charges of corruption could consume its state government. This is its track record on corruption.
Mr Advani's yatra is bound to make the country recollect the series of scams that rocked the Vajpayee government. The telecom scandal, the sugar scam, the UTI fiasco, the Khetan Parekh stock market scam, scams in the defence deals exposed by Tehelka, the coffin scam, the mega petro scam, land scam etc etc. Apart from these scams, this BJP government opened the Mauritius route for financial transactions that has led to large-scale money laundering and transfer of black money abroad.
The country and the people will, surely, see through the farce of Mr Advani's rath yatra on corruption. The first time Mr Advani went on a yatra it was a tragedy. The second was a farce. This would be a farce of the sixth order.
The country can ill-afford the sharpening of communal polarisation under the ostensible veil of fighting corruption. The country and the people must be prepared not to allow our secular democratic fabric to be damaged and disrupted once again.


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The First DOD Audit Report: A Discussion with the Pentagon's Comptroller
January 28, 2019 Topic: Security Region: Americas Blog Brand: The Skeptics Tags: PentagonMilitaryBudgetFinancesWar
David Norquist has completed the first successful, department-wide audit in the history of the Pentagon. His work has brought to light important details about the military's finances.
by John S. Van Oudenaren
The U.S. Department of Defense's multibillion-dollar budget is enormous, comprising over half of all federal discretionary (non-entitlement) spending. At a time of mounting federal debt and competing fiscal priorities, the Pentagon has, in recent years, faced growing bipartisan calls from Congress to comply with decades-old legislation that requires financial statements from all federal agencies. Since the 1990s, the Pentagon had begged off demands for a full department-wide audit on grounds that such an undertaking would be too costly and time consuming. No longer. Earlier this year, the Pentagon completed the first ever department-wide audit in its history, which was led by Comptroller and Undersecretary of Defense David Norquist. At a recent event at the Center for the National Interest, Norquist, who has served as acting Deputy Secretary of Defense since January 1, 2019, discussed the role of the audit in bringing financial "accountability, transparency and reform" to the Department of Defense (DOD). The discussion was moderated by Dov Zakheim, a former Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller)/Chief Financial Officer in the George W. Bush administration (2001–2004).
At the beginning of his remarks, Norquist emphasized that the audit "is not a standalone issue," but part of a broader DOD effort to implement the Trump administration's National Defense Strategy (NDS). The NDS has three lines of effort, the third of which is reforming the department to achieve "greater performance and accountability." The audit is a key element of that line of effort.
Each year, the DOD Inspector General conducts over 150 audits of the various components of the department. So what makes this one unique? Norquist emphasized that the department-wide audit is particularly valuable because it produces a financial statement, which provides a comprehensive "summary of what the Department owns and what it owes, and the financial and other transactions behind it; it presents DOD in the format like a commercial firm- [tabulating] assets, and liabilities." The financial statement is critical for reforms because it is both comprehensive in its breadth, covering the entirety of DOD, and an annually recurring process. "Every year the auditors come back, they test for the same things across the scope of the Department. That level of emphasis and consistency is huge for driving change and reform. If you have a manual process that creates errors, and you want to automate it; it's one thing to have an audit come through and point it out, but when that auditor keeps coming back, you get to see and measure the progress of the organization in fixing that problem," exclaimed Norquist. This was a consistent theme that Norquist returned to throughout his remarks: the audit process is not simply a financial management exercise. Instead, it is an ongoing and recurring evaluative process that facilitates improved operational performance across the DOD.
The sheer size of DOD poses a challenge to auditors. The Pentagon has $2.7 trillion in assets, which is more than double the combined value of the total assets of Apple, Walmart, and the State of California, Norquist said. He described how one method for dealing with the challenge of auditing such an enormous organization was to "break the department in pieces" by dividing the task between multiple auditing firms, with one auditing the Army, another the Navy, another the Defense Logistics Agency, and so on. In total, the Pentagon brought in 1,200 auditors from different firms. Competition between firms was also critical for flexibility and cost-control. "If we had a single audit firm with a contract to audit the Department of Defense, you would never be able to replace them, and you would lose control of the price of the audit," Norquist said. He stressed that not only was competition between the various audit firms key, but that competition between the different branches of DOD was also essential to advancing and expediting the audit process.
According to Norquist, the 1,200 auditors undertook assessments of "business systems, processes and activities; conducted 900 site visits over 600 different locations, and looked at hundreds of thousands of items. They would go to those tens of billions of transactions, they would go to databases of property, of inventory of equipment, they would pull statistically valid samples; they would verify count, location and condition of military equipment, real property and inventory. They would assess security system vulnerabilities in I/T systems" and examine the validity of Pentagon personnel records. The audit was comprehensive in scope, examining all Pentagon expenditures, including those allocated for Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO). In fact, no programs were "exempt from the scope and breadth of the financial statement audit," said Norquist.
One unexpected finding is that the Pentagon has fewer usable facilities than previously assumed. As Norquist explained, the auditor found that a number of facilities listed as useable are not (e.g. uninhabitable Army barracks), prompting them to recommend that the department either demolish these installations, or acknowledge the buildings are not in working order. Improving the accuracy of departmental records will be critical to make informed decisions on issues such as base closures: "There are decisions that will come from this over time. . . . You get better data, you'll have a more realistic understanding of your situation," Norquist said.
A budgetary issue that Norquist sought to address, were reactions to a recent Pentagon Inspector General report, which found that DOD was unable to spend $28 billion in congressionally appropriated funds from 2013–2018. He stressed that this is a cumulative figure, which includes "money that is no longer able to be put on new contracts, but it is not currently on a contract or payment" and that covers at least five years of DOD activity from 2013 to 2018. Norquist observed that it is not unusual for large bureaucracies to spend less than 100 percent of their total allocated funds, and that "typically at the end of the year, you've spent 99.5 percent of the money and as the years go by contracts that were awarded for $100 end up getting closed at $97, $3 stays with the Treasury and so that number slowly creeps up."
By providing more accurate records of the department's finances, properties and inventories, the audit will help the department better manage its organization, infrastructure, and logistics, which will improve its ability to perform its mission. Moderator Dov Zakheim, a former comptroller, observed how far the department has come in the fifteen years since he occupied the role during George W. Bush's first term. "When I was confirmed, one of the Comptrollers from the Caspar Weinberger era [1981–1987] said to me the only thing that matters is that you get the budget through the Hill. That's how minimal financial management was considered." In contrast to that era, there is heightened awareness that effective financial management is critical. "What David has done is literally moved a mountain," concluded Zakheim, recognizing Norquist for his role in overseeing the enormous task of completing the first successful, department-wide audit in the history of the Pentagon.
John S. Van Oudenaren is assistant director at the Center for the National Interest.
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He is honored with a feast on the 27th day of September in the U.K., in France and in the U.S.. Born to peasant parents in the Kingdom of France, the family resided near the Paul river and it is believed that their surname was derived from there. Noteworthy however, young Vincent wrote his last name as Depaul to avoid any inference that he was of nobility.
Community Supported Agriculture, a method by which individuals prepay for a share of a farmer's produce, has been around in the U.S. since the 1980s. It was based on the Japanese concept of teikei translated literally as putting a face on one's food. CSA enables farmers to sell directly to consumers, ensures a certain level of food safety by allowing individuals to see and in some cases work at a farm and creates a mutually beneficial relationship where food dollars stay local and food miles are reduced. As most of you know, I could go on.
Two years ago, my dear friend and mentor, Eddie Basha, died just before national poetry month. I couldn't finish this at the time but wanted to honor him. He was an Arizona Icon and a brilliant business man with a heart bigger than his head. He had a generosity of spirit and a flare for practical jokes like no one I'll ever know. He ran for Governor once but lost because although he was a great leader, he was a poor politician. His grocery chain, Bashas, is dispersed widely across our state and is a hub in many of our rural communities. He spent many years on the Board of Regents, a warrior for education for all. I remain deeply saddened by his departure yet in his leaving, he has caused me and others to examine our words and deeds through the filter of fairness and kindness. I wrote this from my own observations and also from some of the lovely tributes paid to him in the days following his death.


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Size (inches): 26.25" x 37.5"
This is an original, rolled, Polish movie poster from 1980 for The China Syndrome starring Jack Lemmon, Jane Fonda, Michael Douglas, Scott Brady and Wilford Brimley. James Bridges directed the thriller. Grzegorz Marszalek is the artist for the poster.
The poster measures 26.25" x 37.5" and is in very good condition with a black smudge in the upper-right corner of the poster (likely from a printing error). The poster is in otherwise excellent condition and has never been folded.
This collectible poster, printed in 1980 to promote the Polish theatrical release of The China Syndrome, is not a reproduction or a reprint.


The Kennel Club is currently lobbying for a ban on the use of electric shock collars and the campaign has been met with overwhelming public support. It is clear that nothing affects a dog's life and wellbeing as much as positive training, and the KCAI Scheme's aim is to set and raise standards in dog training and canine care across the UK and abroad.
The scheme offers those who work with dogs the opportunity to gain a nationally recognised qualification, and gives a safeguard for the public by working under a clear code of practice.
The KCAI Code of Practice now states that all members working under the scheme must promote and use suitable and motivational methods consistent with principles of kindness, fairness and good welfare, not use electric shock collars or similarly coercive electric equipment and be able to advise on the choice, maintenance, safe and humane use of appropriate training equipment.
Caroline Kisko, Kennel Club Secretary said: "Electric shock collars fail to address underlying behaviour and can cause further behaviour problems by training a dog to respond out of fear of further punishment rather than a natural willingness to obey.
"The availability of positive training methods far outweighs the need for techniques based on aversion or pain. The KCAI Scheme aims to raise standards in dog training and canine care across the UK and abroad. We are very glad to see that the KCAI support of positive training methods has now been backed up by a specific ban on the use of electric shock collars."