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The best DCMN ad campaigns of the past year
Posted by Andrew Wilkin | Apr 1, 2020 | Creation, Media, News
Ads have to do a million jobs at once: Increase visibility, generate conversions, establish a brand identity, crack jokes while being trustworthy, be concise yet explanatory, be entertaining but also informative, add value without deceiving. Researchers, brand strategists, advertisers and marketers really have a lot to do. Thankfully, our in-house Creation & Production team (C&P) has a keen eye for taking tough briefs and putting them into snazzy ad campaigns. Across all platforms. Around the world. For all audiences.
The past year was a big one in DCMN adland. It was one that saw our Creation & Production department, working together with a number of our other departments, flex their creativity and strategic nous in many ways. Spanning a number of verticals – from fintech to travel, beauty and even a DNA finder! – our ad campaigns from the past 12 months were quite the wild ride (and an effective one at that, according to our clients). Get strapped in: Here are our most memorable ad campaigns picked by our proud C&P team themselves.
Our C&P team have the strategic knowhow and creative sizzle to make your campaign pop. Email us over at hello@dcmn.com for a quick chat.
Imagine if you could be transported through your entire family history – in just 30 seconds.
In our TVC for AncestryDNA, a cutting-edge DNA testing service based in Utah, we took the audience through centuries of history, but with a personal touch. Using old documents and family photos as the building blocks, it's revealed at the end that what you are viewing is a popup photobook. Entirely done with 3D animation inhouse.
If one of our ad campaigns had a personal impact on us – it was this one. After this TVC was done and dusted, our entire C&P team decided to find out about their new relatives all over the world.
ClearScore
It's crazy how many things you might need your credit score for. The problem is that many people actually don't know how to get hold of one. This is something our ClearScore TVC for the South African market tackles, explaining the who, what, where, why and how of credit score collection in a casual, non-intimidating and quick way.
Entering the South African market for the first time last year, it adds a humorous spin to something commonly seen as dry. Offering viewers the chance to download their credit score for free, ClearScore wanted two spots – one based in the office and one based at home. With characters stretching across the different ads – and planning to make a comeback in 2020 too! – our campaign with ClearScore showed the strength of character and humour that is necessary in bringing a new brand to market.
What's a Pink Box? Germany recently found out – and it was us that helped spread the message.
Our TVC from 2019 nimbly explained what's in the box. Using a lullaby – one we wrote ourselves and auditioned singers for – the pink-tinged and light-footed ad showed the audience a whole host of beauty products, from bath products to perfume.
This is the perfect example of what we term Brandformance™ at DCMN, establishing brand awareness, explaining the product and creating conversions all at the same time. Also worth noting: this campaign was the first for which we offered CPC TV. This is a DCMN service where the client pays per click, paying for the success of the campaign. No risk involved!
Finding a roommate is a fiendishly tricky business. That's where Badi comes in, an AI-driven room rental platform based in sunny Barcelona. To mark their entrance into much less sunny Berlin, our home city, they wanted to make quite a show.
…and quite the show they made! With a 360° campaign incorporating OOH, social media and online ads, Badi made their entrance into the German capital! Utilising common word pairings known to Berliners – from Currywurst to the notorious clubs Berghain and KitKat – the campaign was highly localised and targeted towards its audience. Here in Berlin, those terms are ubiquitous. Those classic signifiers of Berlin life fit together perfectly – just like your new roommate on Badi will.
The best thing about the campaign? On our way to work, many of our team members bumped into the OOH ads in subway stations or on billboards. A proud moment, indeed!
Bright and zany: the GetYourGuide TVC for the Dutch market takes us on a jovial journey through the world of travel experiences. All via the lens of a Dutch family! Produced in a short timespan, the company asked for a performance TVC explaining strongly what they are all about, which is offering a whole host of different experiences for travellers, from tours to excursions to endless other things to do (in Berlin we even have a drag queen tour!).
The spot opens with the mother of the family riding in on a jetski, before the family enjoyed a whole host of other scenarios – including a wine and cheese tasting session. All done in a studio that was set up to hint at reality.
How do we know it was successful? "Get Your…" "Get Your…" "Get Your…": With every single mention of the brand name, the audience becomes more aware of the GetYourGuide brand. It could have felt like too much repetition – but not when the situation of the family is regularly changed. One big tick for branding and performance!
Not everything was simulated though: the big slice of gouda cheese was devoured afterwards by a very happy cast and crew.
Looking to go up that extra awareness step with a TV ad? Or still want to focus on online? Email us over at hello@dcmn.com and we can discuss the possibilities for your brand.
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West Nottingham is a city in Rockingham County, New Hampshire with a total population of approximately 39. West Nottingham, which uses the 603 area code, is located at 43.1416, -71.121 at an elevation of 58 feet. There are over 15 households and on average there are 2.6 people in each household with a median age of 54.3. The average income in the area is currently unknown.


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from __future__ import print_function

import argparse
import os
import platform
import subprocess
import sys

from compat import iteritems, quote

MAC_BUILD_CONFIGS = {
    'mac_debug': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=true'),
    'mac_release': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false'),
    'mac_asan': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false', 'is_asan=true'),
    'mac_tsan': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false', 'is_tsan=true'),
    'mac_ubsan': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false', 'is_ubsan=true'),
}

ANDROID_BUILD_CONFIGS = {
    'android_debug': ('target_os="android"', 'is_clang=true', 'is_debug=true'),
    'android_release': ('target_os="android"', 'is_clang=true',
                        'is_debug=false'),
    'android_release_incl_heapprofd': ('target_os="android"', 'is_clang=true',
                                       'is_debug=false',
                                       'android_api_level=26'),
    'android_asan': ('target_os="android"', 'is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false',
                     'is_asan=true'),
    'android_lsan': ('target_os="android"', 'is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false',
                     'is_lsan=true'),
}

ANDROID_ARCHS = ('arm', 'arm64')

LINUX_BUILD_CONFIGS = {
    'linux_gcc_debug': ('is_clang=false', 'is_debug=true'),
    'linux_gcc_release': ('is_clang=false', 'is_debug=false'),
    'linux_clang_debug': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=true'),
    'linux_clang_release': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false'),
    'linux_asan': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false', 'is_asan=true'),
    'linux_lsan': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false', 'is_lsan=true'),
    'linux_msan': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false', 'is_msan=true'),
    'linux_tsan': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false', 'is_tsan=true'),
    'linux_ubsan': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false', 'is_ubsan=true'),
    'linux_fuzzer': ('is_clang=true', 'is_debug=false', 'is_fuzzer=true',
                     'is_asan=true'),
}

LINUX_ARCHS = ('arm64',)

ROOT_DIR = os.path.dirname(os.path.dirname(os.path.abspath(__file__)))

def main():
  parser = argparse.ArgumentParser()
  parser.add_argument('--ccache', action='store_true', default=False)
  parser.add_argument('--host-only', action='store_true', default=False)
  parser.add_argument('--android', action='store_true', default=False)
  parser.add_argument('--build', metavar='TARGET')
  args = parser.parse_args()

  configs = {}
  if not args.host_only:
    if args.android:
      for config_name, gn_args in iteritems(ANDROID_BUILD_CONFIGS):
        for arch in ANDROID_ARCHS:
          full_config_name = '%s_%s' % (config_name, arch)
          configs[full_config_name] = gn_args + ('target_cpu="%s"' % arch,)
    for config_name, gn_args in iteritems(LINUX_BUILD_CONFIGS):
      if dict(a.split('=') for a in gn_args).get('is_clang', None) == 'true':
        continue
      for arch in LINUX_ARCHS:
        full_config_name = '%s_%s' % (config_name, arch)
        configs[full_config_name] = gn_args + ('target_cpu="%s"' % arch,
                                               'target_os="linux"')

  system = platform.system().lower()
  if system == 'linux':
    configs.update(LINUX_BUILD_CONFIGS)
  elif system == 'darwin':
    configs.update(MAC_BUILD_CONFIGS)
  else:
    assert False, 'Unsupported system %r' % system

  if args.ccache:
    for config_name, gn_args in iteritems(configs):
      configs[config_name] = gn_args + ('cc_wrapper="ccache"',)

  out_base_dir = os.path.join(ROOT_DIR, 'out')
  if not os.path.isdir(out_base_dir):
    os.mkdir(out_base_dir)

  gn = os.path.join(ROOT_DIR, 'tools', 'gn')

  for config_name, gn_args in iteritems(configs):
    print('\n\033[32mBuilding %-20s[%s]\033[0m' % (config_name,
                                                   ','.join(gn_args)))
    out_dir = os.path.join(ROOT_DIR, 'out', config_name)
    if not os.path.isdir(out_dir):
      os.mkdir(out_dir)
    gn_cmd = (gn, 'gen', out_dir, '--args=%s' % (' '.join(gn_args)), '--check')
    print(' '.join(quote(c) for c in gn_cmd))
    subprocess.check_call(gn_cmd, cwd=ROOT_DIR)
    if args.build:
      ninja = os.path.join(ROOT_DIR, 'tools', 'ninja')
      ninja_cmd = (ninja, '-C', '.', args.build)
      subprocess.check_call(ninja_cmd, cwd=out_dir)

if __name__ == '__main__':
  sys.exit(main())

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From June 15-17, Sarah Chee and Julie Price from Tides Canada travelled to South Indian Lake/O-Pipon-Na-Piwin Cree Nation (OPCN), Manitoba (four hours north of Thompson). Joined by community grantees and staff from Food Matters Manitoba and TNC Canada, the trip was the second community learning exchange this year and provided participants the chance to exchange and share their knowledge of country foods (traditional foods sourced from the land) and visit OPCN's successful Ithinto Mechisowin Program.
The agenda included presentations, a tour of the IMP building, and a boat tour of the South Indian Lake area (which was drastically affected by the Churchill River Diversion Dam project in the 1970s). OPCN was also kind enough to include attendees in their Heritage Day Celebration with local youth. The celebration included games and teachings, such as traditional ways to make bannock, fix goose, and cut and prepare moose, and fish. Trip attendees also offered up their knowledge of traditional medicine and foraging, including picking Labrador leaves for tea and spruce sap for gum or a salve (when melted down with lard or honeycomb).
Toward the end of the trip, attendees also trekked to Leaf Rapids to visit their NMFCCC-supported nursery and greenhouse project and the Nelson House country foods program, which has been running since 1992.
Read more here, and download a copy of the 2015 community report.


The Infectious Pathology and AIDS Center of Georgia is calling on the population to get a HIV test after 433 new HIV/AIDS cases were revealed in the country from January 2018 to August 20.
The center says that last year there were 404 new cases in the same period. In January-June 2018, there were 397 new cases. It means that from June 30 to August 20, 36 new cases were revealed in Georgia.
As epidemiologist doctor Otar Chokoshvili says, the main cause of the increase is late diagnosis.
Most cases of HIV/AIDS are registered in Tbilisi - 2622 cases, 87 among these patients are foreign citizens and 2 persons are unidentified; In Samegrelo - 914 cases (Zugdidi - 605), Imereti - 898 (Kutaisi 436), Adjara - 813 (Batumi - 512), breakaway Abkhazia - 451, Kakheti - 348, Kvemo Kartli - 373, Shida Kartli - 271, Guria - 153, Poti - 110, Samtskhe-Javakheti – 100.
"The disease is not spreading rapidly in Georgia, as it is in many EU states, but it is important to get the test, as this disease has no early symptoms," the doctor stated.


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ACC announces 2020 football schedule.
By: Hokie Fireman
on July 29, 2020, 4:34 PM | 278 comments
The 2020 Football Schedule Model has been announced.More info: https://t.co/D6iCbHIY1x pic.twitter.com/dfhTqr4YTd— ACC Football (@ACCFootball) July 29, 2020
https://theacc.com/news/2020/7/29/general-acc-announces-plans-for-footba...
| 5 months 3 weeks #
ACC Football:
The season's first games will take place the week of Sept. 7-12
The 2020 scheduling model includes 11 games (10 plus one: 10 conference and one non-conference)
All non-conference game opponents, selected by the respective school, must be played in the home state of the ACC institution, and all non-conference opponents must meet the medical protocol requirements as agreed upon by the ACC
The 11 games will be played over at least 13 weeks with each team having two open dates
There will be one division
Notre Dame will also play a 10-game conference schedule and be eligible to compete in the 2020 ACC Football Championship Game
All television revenue for the 2020 season, including Notre Dame's home games broadcast by NBC, will be shared equally by all 15 institutions
The ACC Football Championship Game will be played on either December 12 or 19 at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, North Carolina, and will feature the top two teams based upon highest conference-game winning percentage
All 15 teams will continue to be part of the ACC's bowl selection process; should Notre Dame win the ACC Football Championship Game they would be eligible for the Orange Bowl, if not selected as a College Football Playoff semifinal team
The 2020 ACC Football week-by-week schedule and television selections will be released in the future
abarri9
| 5 months 3 weeks # ^
While it would have been nice to have some higher profile teams on our schedule, this as a pretty great schedule for us. Well balanced between high profile games and the kind of strength we can handle.
The only team I care that we missed on is Notre Dame. Florida State is all name recognition and no game right now.
Rayo | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
Yeah picking up State and Clemson from the Atlantic is about as good as we could have hoped
TBA is going to be getting a pretty nice check
wihokie | 5 months 3 weeks #
At least we get to share NDs tv revenue.
Stick it in...Stick it in...Stick it in
HokieAlum6144 | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
And that is actually a huge win for the ACC.
Wishful thinking but maybe this becomes their shit or get off the pot moment. Join us or die as an independent and get left out of the dance...
tjbhokie | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
I read somewhere that actually means less money for us
Recruit Prosim
drkev10 | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
ND will get more money from getting ACC/NBC money than we will from getting NBC money. I'm pretty sure it is just another example of ND boning the conference again.
Tech home games: BC, Clemson, Miami, NCST, LOLUVA
AWAY games: Duke, Louisville, UNC, PITT WF
I think all Clemson players with NFL aspirations should opt out of the 2020 season.
I second this. Can we get a movement started or something?
I know you are half joking but look at Tua, dropped from one to five and suffered what could have been a career ending injury last season. Clemson QB should seriously consider sitting out since he is everyone's #1 on pre draft boards...
marcb2 | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
I understand what you're saying, but being "projected" at a spot and getting picked at that slot are different things. Early projections being incorrect - often by more than a few slots and even a few rounds - are not uncommon.
Plus the draft is a zero sum game. For every player who "drops", another player "moves" up. Playing is a gamble, but so is not playing.
He has already proven his ability at the highest stage for this level. He has very little to gain for playing this season besides pride
07Hokie | 5 months 3 weeks #
Why do we get my dream home schedule when we're probably not going to have a season?
No Clemson for Duke, State, and UNCheat. Looks like Wake has the toughest schedule.
UVA draws 6 Atlantic teams?
The newest sports buzz word ot 2020 "model".
VT_FB_02
That's quite a schedule.
Huge fan of this. The way I'm interpretting this, the ACC (and ND) are using this season as a means to test out some things that they otherwise wouldn't have the support/ability to try:
Scrapping divisions
ND as a conference member
IF we get a season this year, and IF this works out well for the ACC and ND, I think you could possibly see these two things become permanent fixtures. Obviously there's (at best) an incredible amount of uncertainty here... but you get the idea.
Hard to get excited over an announcement of something that you know won't happen
lepakkkkk | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
Yep. The Rutgers football team just had 15 players test positive, linked to an on-campus party.
I'll be amazed if any team plays a single snap of college football this season.
Of the dozens and dozens of players across the country who have tested positive so far, have you heard of a single death or even serious illness? Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't.
https://people.com/human-interest/21-year-old-college-baseball-player-dies-coronavirus/
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/coronavirus-in-college-football-hospitalizations-deaths-projected-by-data-analysts-if-fbs-plays-in/
StineyDraw48 | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
Disclaimer: This isn't just in response to you but more of an overall feeling
Can we try to keep stuff like this in one of the 15 coronavirus threads we have going? I haven't opened a single one of those to avoid conversations like this and i think a lot of us would rather not have it bleed into the thread discussing our new schedule that just came out.
Leonard | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
Wait...what? There's a thread for coronaviruses?
I need to check that out...
Leonard. Duh.
https://virginia.sportswar.com/
Tf, Chris Hornes writing for them now?
That's pretty funny... I'll allow it.
we are not going to derail this thread with a litigation of whether or not this is passes muster as "serious enough"
I can't tell if you are talking about specifically college football, but Freddie Freeman (ATL 1B) was worried for his life:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29489929/braves-freddie-freeman-had-...
I'd like to think we could all agree that "who died?" shouldn't really be an indicator that an issue isn't serious enough to warrant consideration when you're talking about "dozens of players across the country" vs 4.5m positive cases.
I'm not saying the virus isn't real and doesn't have consequences. But this isn't the only risk in life and if you're a college student it may not even be in the top 5 in terms of life-threatening risks.
So before chastising, how about the Eyore's stop with chicken-little posts every time there is another dog bites man story about positive cases being reported at some athletic program somewhere? How about posting an article on nearly every positive player being asymptomatic or with having only mild symptoms and a quick recovery?
Or is it just the nature of message board posters to see the glass as 5% empty and anyone challenging that is the outlier?
Ok, I'll take a shot at this...
HIPAA doesn't allow for articles to be written about "every positive player being asymptomatic." They report numbers, not severity. Besides, who knows the lasting effects. And these cases have occurred during NON-CONTACT workouts...so think about that.
And, just a heads up, if the glass was only 5% empty, we'd be in pretty good shape. That would mean 3 or 4 people total (over all times from here to the end of this thing) within a football organization would be positive. 15 kids (plus staff and workers) currently is more than 5%. Again, without contact drills, or even another team present; which would mean there is physical contact.
the point of a mod stepping in to say "we're not going to derail this thread" isn't to invite pushback. It's nice to see you position yourself as the ray of sunshine and positivity among all the eeyore chicken littles, though!
the severity of the symptoms in football players isn't the only consideration for determining whether or not the pandemic is reason enough to cancel the season
Pokiehokie85 | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
Yeah, but Rutgers is the rough equivalent of the Cleveland Browns of the NCAA, and if there is a way for them to fubar their own season, they'll do it. But who knows, maybe they think if they get it out of the way now, they won't have to worry about it once the season starts.
"That man was violating a city ordinance, and I was just doing my duty to enforce it." - Mike Curtis
I mostly agree with you, but at the same time I have to believe that football revenue for the P5 schools is VERY important, and they're going to do everything possible to pull it off. This can't be just lip service. Dude... Notre Dame is going to share the NBC money. Swofford's gotta be drooling.
LolUVA's road schedule is brutal.
Good chance they go 0-5 on the road.
Hokie Hounds
🦃VT ALUMNUS 🦃
Good chance they go 2-8 overall.
Rayo | 5 months 3 weeks #
Clemson and Miami in Lane 😳
I would say lets hope T Lawrence does what farley has done but Clemson are probably deep enough to roll right along.
101WildTurkeys | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
Maybe the kid just loves Clemson and good for him if he does, that's a valid reason, but literally every other reason you can think of would advise him not to play. Football wise and business wise, he's nuts if he plays.
Clem$on give$ their player$ a lot of rea$on$ to $tay each year.
popbrmo | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
NewSprings eternal
VT '10 #AllMaroonEverything
Awesome home schedule! Damn I h o pe we play this season. What a great home schedule.
JASONinARLINGTON
I'm calling it now, we win the ACC and bring home the Natty.
With an asterisk/s
Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!
I can ignore an asterisk if you can
God please let this mean we will have a season, fall or spring I dont care just give us a season
Stockleybridge
Let's take this opportunity to end cupcake games and play 10 or 11 conference games per year. Add an OOC game versus a fellow P5 opponent to get to 12. Having a full schedule of meaningful games is the one thing college football has always been missing.
Say no to playing Liberty and ODU every year until we're all old enough to collect social security!
VTCC-69
I'm already collecting Social Security. i hope it is still around when you are eligible.
Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam
jmgreen4 | 5 months 3 weeks #
By trying to work around COVID, the ACC accidentally just created a (near) perfect model for what future ACC football schedules should look like.
Early September, everyone plays two non-conf. games. After that, 10 conference games in an 11 week span (one bye). Protect the rivalries, but no divisions: the two best conf. records go to Charlotte.
More exciting games, less ODU / Liberty / ECU / etc., and best of all, we rotate through conf. teams much more quickly. The fact that Clemson / Louisville / FSU are almost never on our schedule, but ODU / Liberty almost always are is asinine.
I bet Liberty is our one OOC game.
I was under the impression they were working something out with the SEC and Big 12 for the non-conference games.
Mike06 | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
The non conference game has to be played in the same state as the ACC school. Doubtful they convinced the SEC and Big 12 to go for that.
Let's go for JMU then. It's time for revenge.
I'd be ok with JMU but I doubt FCS football happens. P5 has a lot of money at stake, FCS not so much.
Anybody but Liberty, pls.
bluehokie2006 | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
Liberty is in-state, already scheduled, and a home game for VT anyway. Unfortunately, it makes the most sense to keep them as our TBA.
Hear me out................................... @ODU
papilgee4evaeva | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
You lost me when you said @
JMU has said if P5 has football they will play also.
I'm pretty sure what JMU said was that as long as the FCS championship hasn't been cancelled by the NCAA, they will play fall football.
Assuming the season actually happens wouldn't surprise if Liberty pops up on other ACC schools schedules too. They might be the only OOC option available if the G5 conferences cancel.
I'm hoping to god that because Liberty is not following ACC standards for Covid that we won't even think about it.
vtandy | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
I bet we get an exception to the instate rule, give the people what they want and bring back the ultimate OOC opponent.
I have to boo this!
FlippinHokie
🐉 THE BURNINATOR 🔥
I swear to God it better not be.
In fact, I was telling one of my NCSU coworkers today how much I hate Liberty and the Falwells and every thing that they stand for and if the entire university suddenly burned to the ground, I would gleefully dance in its ashes, and the new guy walked up and his eyes got big and he was like "who are you talking about???" My other coworker just chuckled and said, "Now that is next level hate."
Fuck 'em.
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After many moons spent hanging around TKP, I still don't understand all the Liberty hatred.
It's not you, it's me.
TLDR: Liberty administration support far right political & religious views (for lack of a better term), and many people feel that by scheduling Liberty, VT is giving them a platform to spread their message (a message that many people don't like).
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And they have employed some ethically questionable people.
I wouldn't say "far right" but it would be great if universities wouldn't push politics for either side. Wishful thinking I know.
My issue is that they will beat us one day. Lock. If VT didn't give them games, and help their trash program, they would mire in mediocrity. But nope, we give them a 10 game series against an upper tier ACC team. Like ECU and ODU, liberty too will beat us at some point and we will be a media laughingstock for a week. Their insane politics won't be spread over the loudspeaker on game day.
wasknick
HIT THE PACE CAR
I unfortunately agree with you. It is in our nature to lose to teams we shouldn't.
ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.
Agree, eventually you play down to the level of your opponent. Play good teams. Get better by competition. Don't get worse playing crap teams.
Dont give in state teams "chip on shoulder" or "marquee games" where they have nothing to lose and our guys get too cocky. I'd rather play Bama than Liberty for those reasons. Its a long term no-win series. no win for VT- gain nothing,.
Their insane politics won't be spread over the loudspeaker on game day.
Just during their advertisements during every other commercial break.
Agree with you 100% here. It's not about politics, religion, or anything else. VT has been giving mediocre programs a spotlight and opportunity to knock off a big team for far too long. I do not want to see us get into another long series with a regional team like we did with ECU for so long. As you said, eventually they will beat us and it's another nasty black eye for the program. You schedule these guys every year, and this becomes their annual Super Bowl. Their chance to throw everything at us and take a shot at VT. There is literally no benefit whatsoever to us doing this. In fact, if ND can be convinced to permanently join the fold, I am 100% supportive of a 10 game conference schedule and eliminating these types of games that really no one wants to see.
Whatever. First amendment..pip-pip...cheerio. If they have a football team, and they want to write a check, I'm down.
I just want to watch some dudes hit some dudes. We used to be able to come together because of sports.
They don't write the check... We write they check, they get paid.
Edit- take a check... good catch.
Take all that out, take out their hiring of more than disgusting AD and questionable football coach. Their policies in regards to women, the LGQBT community and statements from current and former students about unofficial actions towards minorities and that diploma mill isn't a place Tech student athletes, students and fans should be forced to be around.
former students unofficial actions
Tech doesn't exactly have what you would consider to be the high ground if we're going to make actions of former students fair game.
No former students who have spoken about the actions of staff and coaches at Liberty when dealing with minorities.
Instead of downvoting provide reasons current and former students are wrong about what happens there.
I'm defending nothing. I just think if the prevailing opinion is we're not going to play sports against a school because of possible political differences, I want no part of that. That table can be flipped and re-set any day, and you might not like the new china pattern, brother.
Edit - And also, I don't downvote. I think the practice has been abused as of late, so I'm not partaking.
There is nothing political about anything I said. Providing a safe environment for ALL VT student athletes and fans at a place like with their policies isn't political. It doesn't represent the Tech values and motto.
Your statements on Liberty are 100% about politics.
It really has nothing to do with football.
Don't we get enough of that everywhere else?
No no no no you're wrong it's "policies" not "politics" it's a big big big big difference you see
Tech will play football AT Liberty in the near future. Their campus policies have a direct impact on Tech student athletes, Tech students and Tech fans. That isn't political. If you think human rights and decent are political that's on you.
bro stop
No more commenting on Liberty from me.
We play at Miami, F$U, UNC (fake classes) all the time.
Fake classes and outright discrimination are not even close to the same. One is an NCAA violation one is against any human decency.
Yes, stop.
Liberty's policies as a private institution have no bearing on VT students or fans inasmuch that any of VT's students or fans are free boycott Liberty. On the schedule and you do t like their policies? Don't go. Don't like that they're on the schedule? Take it up with Whit.
And when I didn't nuke your racially biased family planning fiasco, you called that "mod overreach".
Liberty is always a touchy subject. Stop touching it.
Well so here's the thing -- you're not doing that either.
Many people give very succinct, in-bounds reasons for why playing Liberty is bad in reply to Leonard's expressed bemusement. One of them was a purely football reason.... we have nothing to gain, they have nothing to lose. Then you started your rant by saying "take all that out".... and then said to "take out" even the other things! And then went right into very political waters! And then refused to stop when told!
LGBTQ concerns etc are important but it's laughable to say it's not a political issue when there was a landmark supreme court case last month. Not to mention that by actively dismissing LU's policies you're also actively dismissing why they might had those policies, which isn't politics as much as it is religion! Two for one! Double whammy! That's why it's a touchy subject! That's why we don't go there, and why we ask that you don't go there!
Here's the thing, moderating this site is very hard, and whether or not you see it right now, you're making it harder.
Get After Ya | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
I have not posted here in almost 3 years and the "fireman" is the reason why.
AirborneTXHokie | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
This!!!!! Yes!!!
Joe I know it's not east to run the site that's why I joined and before that donated. But the site moderation isn't the same as prior to two new moderators. Allowing robust discussion without crossing guidelines was a staple of the site. It's becoming less so for certain posters while other posters are given much more free range.
The site has grown and changed considerably. It was easy for me to (mostly singlehandedly) put a stop to crazy stuff months and years ago. It's harder now, and impossible for one person. When a moderator tells you to leave something alone, for the good of everyone, please respect them and do it.
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Bud, I agree with you fully, and you were discussing politics and religion, both of which are explicitly called out in the CGs.
The moderators get paid nothing. Paying TKP supports content and costs to run the site, these folks volunteer their time. They are trying to do the best they can. The best I can tell GGC was just trying keep this thread from going off the rails because every other fucking thread on this site has gone off the rails as of late. And given how you have to have the last word in every conversation, GGC was proactive. There wasn't a robust discussion, and there wasn't going to be a robust discussion, because we've had the Liberty conversation a million times on TKP before and it always goes political.
And as I am writing this, which has stopped me from coding TKP 3.0, which had pushed off me transcribing interviews, I get this notification.
https://t.co/C46inuXhkASad to see this site turn like this. Rather call everything politics instead of acknowledging the harm Liberty does to women, LGQBT and as we have found out recently minorities. Not a good look @thekeyplay— Hokie Fireman (@FiremanHokie) July 30, 2020
I'm not even sure what to say, I'm simply flabbergasted at where you took this.
And on the topic of making the site worse, I have had more people reach out directly to tell me you've made their experience on TKP worse, more than any other poster, because I have literally never gotten a similar email or DM about any other poster on TKP (not even DC).
Not going to lie, that tweet is really, really poor form. It's one thing to keep these arguments in house, but to then take it to Twitter to publicly influence his 567 followers is just so far over the line I'm not even sure we can see the line before the horizon anymore.
Legit stunned by this stunt.
And awesome, these series of tweets (because of course there were more) have now taken to replies absolutely dragging Joe and this site in general through the mud. And what pisses me off the most is that it's a bullshit claim. Every time Liberty comes up, the arguments that Fireman wishes were made are generally brought up quickly and frequently, but it's just a topic that devolves quickly, so it's best to nip it before it can get to that point. There are plenty of people who agree with him but know that this isn't the place to have those arguments. But that doesn't matter, so now we're all a bunch of racist, bigoted posters who make Virginia Tech in general look bad because he couldn't get his way.
Fuck that, ban his ass
Alum07 - I may not agree with you on a lot of things you post...but I've never been more in on anything else. DCWilson causes a lot of problems and people give him crap, as have I. But HokieFireman and his infantile ways are exponentially worse than anyone else on here. And he just can't take a hint. HokieFireman, you need help. Stop using this place as your therapy session. AlumO7, I'm with you - ban his ass. There isn't anybody on here that is going to miss his BS.
TEEMING WITH INTEL
I've been on this site for many years and I'd confidently state that 99% of all discourse in regards to Liberty is the exact opposite of this pro-Falwell sentiment he is alluding to.
But the site moderation isn't the same as prior to two new moderators.
It's difficult to separate the addition of the new moderators (Gobble and myself) from the global pandemic. This a global disruption that has had more direct impact on sports, and specifically as it pertains to this site, on college athletics than anything previously in my time here. As a result, there is going to be a level of the moderation being different. It has far more to do with the times than some grand change in the way the site operates when things are running business as usual.
Additionally, let's not pretend like I haven't been one of the more consistent participants in robust debate on this site over the years, and I still appreciate and participate in that kind of discussion. However, you need to take a step back and realize we don't need to relitigate the Liberty issue every time it's mentioned on this site, especially when it consistently dips into both political and religious specifics. Your thoughts on Liberty are well known to anyone who frequents this website as they have come up in many a thread of the years. Historically, I'd say a large number of TKP'ers agree with your distate for Liberty and have said as much in support over the years. There is diminishing value in rehashing this, and specifically negative value in discussing it in such political terms. When you're catching downvotes from the community like this it should be a signal that even users who may agree with your general distaste for Liberty, do not agree with the methods/manner in which you are addressing it.
Orion86 | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
my 2c is that at some level a "no politics discussion" policy on a forum is the same as "the political status quo is OK" there's clearly a lot wrong with the current status quo, and while I respect that this is not a political discussion venue, when politics intersect with VT sports, I think the discussion should be allowed.
Student Athletic fees and how much schools like UVA and ODU fund their athletic programs with them are a political topic, but yet discussion of them is allowed.
Meanwhile Liberty being a regressive backwater in terms of policy and leadership-directed culture has a direct impact on VT sports when VT is signed up to play them (and thus legitimize their institution and their culture) multiple times in the next decade... but we can't talk about it.
I think we're fortunate in that the ripple effects probably won't be strong enough to lead to negative impacts on the VT brand, but it is possible. There are already student athletes leaving Liberty because of the culture there. How far a stretch is it to see student athletes in general boycotting games v Liberty? Or perhaps subtly, simply choosing to attend institutions that don't legitimize Liberty by scheduling them?
I can see why Fireman is so ... fired up.. about this. When people downplay Liberty's regressive policies and culture, they implicitly support it, even only low key manner, and that sends the wrong message to our players & fellow fans about what VT stands for.
"I'd rather VT not be associated with Liberty for a variety of reasons, both football related and off-field policy related" is easy enough to get the same point across for the millionth time. Getting upset when the community is tired of the conversation and accusing them of being racist here and on other platforms isn't the way to handle it.
Hokiemacho | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
"Implicit Support" is nonsense. People say what they mean. One can disagree on severity but agree in general.
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I should add that it had been like 3 years from when VTGM landed the full-time gig at tech and posted the news with asking for someone to step forward as an additional moderator until any additional moderators were added
That is true and I was wrong in my position on the moderators and respect the duties you have in trying to make the site usable for everyone.
Bro I really suggest you take a break. This is a one way ticket to BanHammersville if you keep it up.
Got the wrong guy fella. 🤷♂
It hurt itself in confusion
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Was this a Pokémon reference ?
ChevyHokie | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
yes and one that made me lol, leg to you
I'm no fan of Liberty, etc...but I'm glad I don't work with you.
Christiansburg Hokie | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
Oh so the ACC finally adopted $EC model?
/S kinda.
the ACC accidentally just created a (near) perfect model for what future ACC football schedules should look like.
Doubt it was an accident. This is a test run.
YEP, let's see how Notre Lame likes it. I think the other schools in conference wholly support more conference games.
If we do add a 16th (Navy, please), ACC will likely set up "pods" for teams we will always play each year, and then rotate every one else. With 10 conference games, you'd play the whole league in 2-3 years.
I agree with Navy, and I think Notre Lame might like it. I also think we might be able to pull off 3 five-team pods. 4 teams you play every season, then rotate with the other 11.
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Love the idea of Navy, potentially do neutral field (hopefully in the new "The Team Formerly known as the Redskins" stadium in DC proper), get the Corps involved.
07Hokie | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
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Crucify me but I think ECU would be a better add than Navy. 50,000+ capacity stadium, rivalries with Duke UNC and State, Greenvilles not that bad of a location. They would actually get up for big games where Navy is just a lower tier athletics program.
Their fans are a half and half mix of reasonable people and annoying as hell rednecks though.
The brass at UNC/Duke/NCST/Wake would all commit ritual suicide before they'd let this happen.
Succinct
That fact alone makes it almost worth considering.
Navy is not a glorifed CC that a potted plant could get into. Navy brings national interest to the conference and a legit academic profile.
Navy > ECU
Every day of the week.
Neither is ECU. Like fine to say as a joke but if you actually believe "glorified CC" is accurate you're definitely mistaken. It's the second largest school in the state and has a pretty good pre-Med and Med school. They aren't that different academically from like a Louisville West Virginia or Auburn.
The football profile between the two is no contest though. One is a small brand and gimmick football team who is only known because they're a service academy, the other is a competitive program with a comparatively massive fan base and top of the line facilities
US News has ECU and WVU tied at #228.
Auburn is at #104.
Navy is at #17 for liberal arts schools (head scratcher, but ok.) and #4 in undergrad engineering.
Foreign Languages, History, Military Science, Political Science, Geography, and International Studies all count as liberal arts
Gotcha. Well, makes sense. And nowhere near ECU levels.
Glorified CC may be a bit hyperbolic...but if you graduate from a NC high school, you get in. It's not a great academic school by any stretch.
Didn't the ACC relax their academic standards to let Louisville in?
And even if we keep this sports related -- ECU adds nothing in terms of TV markets or footprint. There would be no additional cable companies to force the ACC Network on because they already have it to show the four other schools in the state.
Navy doesn't either though. Whatever argument there is against that for ECU there's just as much or more of one against Navy
I never said I was comparing ECU to Navy specifically. ECU is a weak choice as an addition to the ACC on its own merits.
WVU, Marshall, or even Temple would all be better choices as they expand or strengthen the footprint. Heck, Syracuse or BC probably wouldn't mind UConn joining to potential cut down on some of their travel time.
Does the state of WV really strengthen our footprint?
Um, Navy has gone to a bowl 15 of the last 17 years. ECU hasn't been to one in 5 seasons...which one is which again?
Yeah but that isn't the criteria you'd use to decide who joins the conference. Navy has a gimmick offense and played a pretty weak schedule all throughout those 17 years. ECU made one bad hire that cost them four years of bowls. Other than that they've been a pretty solid team and program throughout the 2000's
played a pretty weak schedule
2019: Navy #50 SOS, ECU #110 SOS
2018: Navy#70, ECU #111
2017: Navy #56, ECU #96
You can continue if you like...but please bring stats, not conjecture. It's not the conferences fault that they made a bad hire. They have to live with their decisions. But that does not give them a pass to sashay into a conference they have NO BUSINESS being in. They aren't on the level for football or academics.
that isn't the criteria you'd use to decide who joins the conference
While I'm not pushing for Navy, they definitely are a way better candidate (in academics and football) than ECU.
Strength of schedule doesn't make them a better candidate in football. Literally just look at fan base, facilities and the team's success, especially against the P5, before they hired that asshat AD.
I never said ECU was the best choice only that they're a better one than Navy (which they are). Navy is a tiny school, only known because they're a service academy. They have way fewer alumini and would make far less money than ECU. Gameday environment is lacking to say the least.
Have you ever been to an ECU game? They're not your average directional school. I've seen Tech win there 4 times and lose there once. They have more impressive atmosphere than Kenan almost always and rival Carter Finley in that regard. It's not Navy.
Also we're competing in football not academics. Maybe invite Navy into the robotics league, football is a different story.
You claim ECU is on the level of Auburn, as well as Navy.
Shown USNews rankings, where Auburn is practically top 100, Navy is top 10, and ECU is outside #200...
You call Navy gimmicky while ECU is competitive...
Shown stats that Navy goes to bowl games WAY more frequently, has a better record, all while having a stronger strength of schedule...
Literally just look at the fan base, facilities and team's success...
-Adressed the success above...
-Facilities: Navy isn't the D3 school you think it is... Navy Athletic Facilites
-Fan base: Navy 95% capacity for home games over the past 5 years. ECU 80% capacity for home games over the past 5 years.
Again, don't just wing it...ECU might be local for you, and you have been there frequently. But that does not discount anyone else's facilities, wins, whatever. And their bad hire is their burden. Now they have to live with it. But it's much more than just that.
Please show me when I said ECU was on the same level academically as Navy. Give the straw men a rest.
Established before that these last 5 years are an outlier for ECU football, you're being just as selective as you accuse me. 80% capacity for ECU is still 8,000 more people than Navy at their 95% BUT that 80% number is an outlier as established.
Never have I argued any sort of success for ECU over the last 5 years, anyone who's watched football know they were horrible then. But go back beyond that and their success was on par to that of Navy's and they were actually more successful against P5 teams (and didn't have near as many cupcake P5 games, Wake Forest, Indiana, Duke etc).
Hey guys, both schools have warts, but both would also fit geographically and culturally in the ACC. Bottom line is that the four Tobacco Road schools will NEVER EVER IN A BAZILLION YEARS allow ECU to join the ACC. Not gonna happen, so ECU might as well try to win their own conference and be happy. Navy, on the other hand, has a cozy relationship with Notre Dame, gets us a Maryland team with a boatload of fans in the DC area, and does not generate objections from the Tobacco Road elites who we all believe control the conference. I am not advocating for either team, but if I had to bet, every dime would be on the Midshipmen over the Pirates. Unlike the Disney version of Pirates, this one doesn't end well for the swashbucklers.
I've been beating the drum on Navy for a few years. To fill in MD since we lost a MD school, Navy is a really good school and I'd be happy to have them in the ACC, and because it would probably tempt ND a little more.
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Wait, no pretty girl saying "I see what you did there" gif for my "boatload of fans" comment?
Where's the love fellow TKPers, where's the love?
I agree with the national interest. I've always wondered if Navy could be the tipping point to get the ACC Network in more cable packages. You add navy, and all of a sudden you have a market in San Diego, Washington State, New Orleans, and every where with a US naval base.
Not for nothing, but does the ACC need another legit academic profile? They need someone that moves the needle as a football conference.
In a perfect world, it would be Penn State, but the ACC screwed that up in the 90's
Not to mention spreading the ACC footprint to another state.
hokietrax | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
And that offense would give us absolute fits. Setting you askew for the next 2 decades at least.
1000% truth.
Thankyou, the last thing I want to see is another 20 years of paul johnsons shitty scheme.
VTacajoe | 5 months 3 weeks #
Hopefully this model becomes the standard and we drop the two division all together!
"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."
I'm just worried about schedule fixing
Frosty's dad | 5 months 3 weeks #
Guessing we will have another thread where people predict our record or debate win totals or debate what Fuente needs to do to be (1) minimally acceptable and (2) a good success. All assuming the schedule actually occurs as listed, of course. Looking forward to the lively but well-balanced and respectful debate! (partly /s)
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101WildTurkeys | 5 months 3 weeks #
2020 has rendered my level of caring about college sports almost nil but I do find it amusing that even with a full conference schedule, we still don't play Florida St. It's like we're destined to avoid each other as much as possible
No shit...I'm sitting here trying to remember which kids are even coming back and who the starters were last year.
If it's TX A&M or WVU, I'm going to lose my mind
wihokie | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
What about Tennessee?
Missed the in state part, could get a pass on WVU
carovahokie
Since we are actually a Commonwealth, are we exempt from the in-state requirement for our out of conference game?
bluehokie2006 | 5 months 3 weeks #
Keeping track of the TV inventory.
As I mentioned in the older topic when the thought was the 5 home-and-home series, the original ACC inventory for 2020 included 94-97 games (depending on whether the Chick-fil-a Kickoff games were part of the ACC contract). Notre Dame had 7 games scheduled for NBC. (Of ND's remaining 5 games, ESPN had rights to 4 of them outright, and had a 50/50 chance along with Fox for the USC game.)
With the 10 game home-and-home plan, there were 70 games in the inventory. (14 teams times 5 home games each.)
With the 10+1 model, there is anywhere from 70-84 games in the ACC inventory, depending on how many of the +1 games are at home. (14 teams times 5 or 6 home games each.)
In the original schedule, Notre Dame had 7 games scheduled for NBC. Four of the remaining five were guaranteed to be on ESPN, while the USC game could have been on ESPN or Fox.
In the home-and-home plan, 5 ND games on NBC, with 5 guaranteed for ESPN. (NBC loses two, ESPN picks up an extra guaranteed game.)
In the 10+1 plan, NBC and ESPN both get 5 guaranteed ND games. I imagine that all parties would want ND's +1 game to be a home game for them. NBC gets the extra content and would only be one game short of their original schedule. The ACC would want the game on NBC because the revenue per game there is much higher than they get from ESPN. (I don't know if TV revenue will be prorated due to fewer games or not.)
Hmmm... According to Pat Forde, this might bea very smart move on the ACCs part
Column: The ACC's checkmate maneuver on the SEC Wednesday was the latest intrigue in the Power Five's Every Rich League For Itself Summer https://t.co/CjKKGn7bJ5— Pat Forde (@ByPatForde) July 29, 2020
There's one OOC game, right? Is there any reason why the traditional rivalries between ACC and SEC teams won't play?
Because the SEC wont want to, basically the ACC is forcing the SEC to be the one to cut those games if it comes to that and not the other way around.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/i0ahwk/acc_travel_distances/?utm_s...
Tech will travel least total miles. Miami as expected will travel most but Pitt got screwed. Can't play WVU or Marshal.
I would like to see some sort of provisional move by Swafford to allow Pitt some flexibility here.
Unless they relocate the university to North Carolina I don't think they're going to have much luck with John Swofford.
shakeitallabout | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
I see what you're saying in the interest of fairness and yet...
Eat shit Pitt.
As deciding arbitrator I rule in favor of shakeitallabout. The mans logic just cannot be denied
Yeah that's why I was really thinking there was going to be some arrangement with the SEC/Big 12 for some regional games in the 11th game slot. Pitt-WVU just makes too much sense, as would something regional like VT-Tennessee.
Also, something else I just thought of - since ND is effectively a conference member this year and would also have to abide by this in state restriction for the 11th game, who are they going to play?
since ND is effectively a conference member this year and would also have to abide by this in state restriction for the 11th game, who are they going to play?
Anyone willing to travel to Indiana. The restriction is just that the game has to be played in the home state, not that the team has to be from the home state.
I'd bet that ND would do whatever they can to play Navy in that 11th game. It was supposed to be a Navy "home" game (originally in Ireland, then in Annapolis), but I think Navy would be willing to concede the "home" aspect.
That makes sense. But realistically if no G5 teams are playing OOC games or at all, and the Pac 12 and B1G are not playing OOC games, it would have to be someone in the SEC or Big 12. Which is why I was under the impression the ACC was working out an arrangement with those two conferences for one OOC game. If the SEC or Big 12 isn't willing to travel to South Bend, it's going to be tough to find an opponent.
The service academies will be interesting to watch. If the AAC eliminates OOC games, what does Navy do? I would also think the government would have some pretty serious restrictions on those schools' athletics as well.
This announcement has to mean that the Chick-fil-a Kickoff Games are cancelled or at least would require different match-ups -- WVU vs. FSU, UVA vs. UGA, UNC vs. Auburn.
Even if the ACC didn't have the "home state" rule, I'm sure that if Georgia could only play one non-conference game, they would pick GT instead of uva.
BigSmoooooooth | 5 months 3 weeks # ^
That's odd since the peach bowl guy was everywhere last week telling us he was working on
A lot of interesting lineups. WVU/uva was one they were working on.
It seems like the ACC came up with the "home state rule" to appease Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville without explicitly saying so.
dmcross
I have long thought the ACC should get 16 teams for football and do four 4-team divisions and 9 or 10 conference games. You play the 3 teams in your division every year, plus 6 or 7 other ACC games which rotate. You'd get a home and home with every team in ACC much faster than 12 years under the current model.
Best two overall conference records play in ACC title game.
This scenario would obviously involve ND joining the ACC which I never thought would happen. But maybe it is possible now.
Really exciting season if it happens.
ThunderingHokie
DID WVU LOSE?
The in state rule just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.... People would eat up a WVU-VT matchup, and WVU is closer than a majority of the conference. Pitt and WVU are an hour apart and used to be big rivals as well. I guess it makes things simpler, but there was a lot of potential there. I do not want to play Liberty whatsoever. I'd rather play Old Dominion. I think it will be the former, though.
Marshall University graduate.
Virginia Tech fanatic.
Formerly known as JWillHokieAlum.
My understanding is this is playing the game in the state. So VT would host the game. WVU is on the table, as is Liberty Biberty, per Twitterverse.
I'm hoping that there's still an opportunity for a Big12-SEC-ACC pairing for the +1, since Big12 wants to play 12 games. SEC wants the money for hosting games. Swofford has put the onus on the SEC preserving their rivalry games by playing away.
Tier 1: WVU, Tennessee
Tier 2: ODU, JMU, Navy
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on: Liberdouche.
Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying! Well, the last time WVU and VT didn't play in a neutral sight game, it was in Morgantown. 2021 is supposed to be in Morgantown. I say let's bring them to Blacksburg.
papilgee4evaeva | 5 months 3 weeks #
Most likely +1 opponents for every school, my opinion, limiting it to FBS
Us - Liberty (ugh) or ODU (less ugh)
BC - UMass (only choice, I think)
Clemson - South Carolina
Duke - ECU, App State, or Charlotte
FSU - Florida
GT - Georgia
Louisville - Kentucky
Miami - their pick of the AAC/CUSA schools in Florida
UNC - same as Duke
NC St - same as Duke
ND - Ball State (only choice)
Pitt - Temple (only choice)
Syracuse - Army or Buffalo
UVA - Whichever one we don't play
Wake - ... they probably get screwed and have to play down
....or any team you can get to come to your home stadium. You don't have to play a team from your state.
All non-conference game opponents, selected by the respective school, must be played in the home state of the ACC institution,
EDIT: that's easy to misread late at night.
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In case there's still confusion, the quote above just means that the game has to be played in the state of the acc school. The opponent could be from anywhere as long as it was played as a home game for the ACC school, otherwise you are correct the opponent would need to be in-state.
Does the +1 in state rule limit us to only FBS schools? If not we have a other more appealing options in Virginia - JMU, Richmond, and W&M jump to the top of the list, all of which are more appealing that either Liberty or ODU.
JMU is honestly the only FCS option in Virginia. Everyone else is following their conference lead and waiting until spring.
(Although now I'm worried that a chain reaction that can affect the 2021 season, and drop Richmond off our schedule. That's a game my family has been looking to for a long time, as my wife went to Richmond, and that's probably the first game we're going to take our kids to.)
When you would rather take FCS opponents over those from FBS, that says a lot about those FBS teams. Unfortunately for your choices, CAA has postponed football until the spring (though teams can still choose to play as independents, so there's that).
To answer your question, I don't think we have any limitations outside the norm - no one below FCS. As per other posters who commented, we may not have to play someone from our state, just that the game has to be played at Lane.
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Funny how the only way the ACC will schedule a VT-Louisville conference game is under the weirdest conditions in a hypothetical schedule for a season that won't happen.
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Considering we were slated to play them this year I'm wondering if we're just going to go another 6 years without playing them when this season gets scrapped altogether.
In 2025 ESPN should run a story on the ACC's dumbass conference scheduling about how we've been in the same league as Louisville since 2014 without playing once.
I don't think people understand the low key hate between Louisville and VT that dates back to the old Metro Conference days.
As someone who was at my first VCU game T 3 weeks old I remember the metro days with hatred.
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What about the Dumervil stomping days?
So you're saying Marcus Vick understood the hate?
Fuck Denny Crum!!
Denny's OK in my book. He's a lot cleaner in the state than many of the others have been in the past several decades. Hated L'Ville back in the day though.
Would love to swap BC for Louisville. Why? Every good Hokie fan I know hates BC and everything they stand for. They also beat us with their shitty 6-6 teams at the most inopportune times. The tailgate/road trip experience to BC is absolute ass- from a football game perspective. Louisville is a much better road trip. Their teams don't often have 5 NFL ready OL and a huge back, and unless Petrino is coaching them, they are beatable. Did I mention it's arguably the best road trip in the ACC? Would love to make that swap
Plus it would saddle uva with BC.
I really don't understand why the ACC insist on "protected" cross rivalry with Boston College. Maybe they thought there was a rivalry made when Matt Ryan "rainbowed" VT national championship hope on that fateful cold and rainy night.
It always felt artificial but the rivalry with Georgia Tech was organic after Beamer complained about chop blocks and Johnson responded with sarcasm. Now that Johnson is collecting retirement with Beamer that rivalry has been fizzled out.
A VT-UNC rivalry was short lived with Fedora and Fuente. There was legit hate between the two. Who knows if it continues with Brown.
If you read UNC message boards they are NOT big fans of the Hokies. We cross paths with them regularly in every aspect of college football. They are our natural rival whether the coaches hate each other or not.
I did prefer when the coaches hated each other, added extra drama.
Never read message board outside of TKP, so cannot speak to it. I only know how much unc hate Duke.
Yep we have a nice little rivalry brewing with their fan base. Probably because the annual whipping they have been taking.
I live dead center in Tar Heel country so I get it first hand.
also the recruiting back and forth. we made #NC2VT a thing, but they have pulled a few contributors from VA as well in addition to really cleaned up in-state this cycle and also pulled a few contributors from VA as well over the years
Organic rivalries emerge and change over time within divisions. I agree our GT rivalry was very much a natural one as they emerged as one of our most consistent division rivals on the field during the PJ era, and off the field the animosity between PJ and our (among other teams') complaints about the blocking. You could see it emerge online big time, lots of GT fans mocking how Beamer "whined" about the blocks, etc.
Now we have an emerging, and in my opinion getting more incensed, organic rivalry with UNC. The online vitriol between fanbases has been high for years, but has reached a fever pitch recently. Between their newfound hope in Mack Brown and his recruiting staff I've seen a LOT of nastiness online between the two fanbases. I think the 6OT game set the table for some very heated/emotional matchups in the coming seasons.
I think it was mainly a case of the leftovers after all of the other permanent crossovers. Pretty much every other school had a natural long standing rival from the other division. I don't know if UVA/UMD was a big thing, but the thinking was probably along old conference lines. Of course, when the turtles left and Louisville came in, the ACC just went with the easiest plug and play method.
At the very least, the ACC should let us and uva alternate between BC and Louisville.
I would assume that the in-state rule is due to different states having different guidelines. This rule should make compliance easier, hypothetically.
"all non-conference opponents must meet the medical protocol requirements as agreed upon by the ACC"
This part of the announcement likely rules out VT playing Liberty unless Liberty does a complete 180 on their approach to handling things;
I'm assuming the in state rule is to force the SEC's hand. If they don't agree to allow the rivalry games to happen, then we'll likely pull the plus one and stick with conference games.
soon to be released update: /s
I wonder if we'll see some kind of spring game equivalent this fall when the season gets canned. It'd be nice to get any football. Even if it's just an intra-squad game.
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FSU lost BC, Syracuse, and Wake and gained Notre Dame and UNC. Their schedule is brutal for a first year coach.
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I can only hope that this scheduling model becomes the norm in the future for the ACC and college football as a whole. You would see more 2 loss teams in the hunt for the playoff.
Just dreaming.
I'm still not convinced this season will happen. I'm sort of in see-it-to-believe it mode. Let's assume it does, though.
What are our expectations? Given that there will only be 10-11 games I think it is a big ask to expect 10 wins. I've long said that, if this season had gone off without a hitch, these coaches should be able to win 10 games or be fired. With all the changes, I think my expectation is different now. I think 8 wins and no embarrassments is fair to expect. Anything less, IMO, should be grounds for a coaching shake-up. That will never happen, though. Even if we lose 6 games I don't think any coaches are going anywhere because they'll all have COVID-19 to fall back on as a pretty legitimate excuse. And that's not just the case for our coaches, that'll be for all teams.
I think 8 wins and no embarrassments is fair to expect. Anything less, IMO, should be grounds for a coaching shake-up.
Uh... we already changed 70% of the coaching staff in the last 18 months. I think you're getting at that it might not be grounds for firing Fuente but there still needs to be some form of change. I can understand the sentiment from a fan perspective but VT is not going to attract quality coaches (or players) by turning over half the staff every year. I'd expect the pitchforks to be out for Cornelsen again, and that could very well be a reasonable move if the offense is a major disappointment, but any larger scale staff shake-up is not reasonable.
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Agree 100% but I'll add that it's probably reasonable to view J Ham as on a 2 year deal. If he can't field a competent defense with two years of solid returning players then it's definitely justified in making changes (hope he does obviously but there's always that chance)
I have no expectations for this season. It's way too fucking weird.
1. EVERYBODY is shellshocked by the pandemic. The kids have been at home, and they haven't even been able to go to the Y. Ever since they got to campus, there are so many psychological factors at play with all the distancing rules, constant testing, how could anybody completely focus on football?
2. JHam is a super duper green coach, and he's replacing Bud MotherFucking Foster. And also, let's also throw in the fact that there was no Spring practice. Spring is very important for the defense, and we just didn't have it.
I would be happy if the kids just get to play the whole season, and I somehow score 1 of the 12 total tickets that they sell for the game at Wake.
We win the least traveled distance award!
Total travel distance for ACC teams with the new schedule: 1. Miami 4239 miles; 2. Pitt 3886 miles; 3. GT 3351 miles; 4. FSU 3319; 5. ND 3307. 6. BC 3224; 7. Cuse 3152; 8. Louisville 2492; 9. UVA 2489. 10. UNC 1919; 11. Clemson 1699. 12. NCSU 1586. 13. Wake 1372. 14. VT 1237.— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) July 30, 2020
I guess we booted Duke from the conference.
No Duke, Bruce?
276 characters. Duke would have put him up to 280.
Can't be hitting character limits.
Well, Stewart Mandell predicted we are pretty much garbage this year
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Clemson I can understand, Miami is a toss up, and we will likely slip up somewhere between UNC Pitt and UL, but there is no way we lose to UVA at home this year. I would say 7-3 most likely.
Wow, and that was probably without even knowing about Caleb Farley.
If that doesn't give VT a chip on their shoulder, I don't know what will.
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People pay money to read these opinions.
I'm one of those people. I actually really like listening to Stew and Bruce every week. They do a great job of reviewing the top national stories each week. They're not really great at having a pulse on individual teams, but that's not really their job. That said, I was pretty disappointed in Stew on this one. I don't know why he thinks so highly of Pitt or UVA without perkins. I think it would be pretty reasonable for us to go 6-4 against this schedule. But 4-6 seems aggressively bad.
It's the typical "look at last year's records" strategy. That's the way you get to thinking UVA will be good.
So much missing from that one sentence...
The SEC to start season on Sept. 26> 10 games. All SEC: As me & @Andy_Staples reported earlier this week, there is concern about the potential surge from when regular students return to campus and some inside the SEC felt a delayed start was more viable: https://t.co/PUOLGyLA4m— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) July 30, 2020
SEC going conference only. No USCe-Clemson, no FSU-UF, No UGA-GT
Probably means everyone else's nonconference games are in jeopardy as well. Liberty is only an hour away so we can probably keep them but idk about everyone else
So they ACC will claim they went 4-0 against the SEC this year as the SEC declined to play.
That said, I kind of hope the ACC revises the schedule now and drops the +1.
Honestly, this schedule, while it my be for nothing, is the best thing Swoffard has done since adding VT to the ACC (and, as we know, he didn't do that by choice).
it's easy to swing for the fences when you know they're gonna call a rain delay before the third pitch
I hate you for saying this... but I can't dismiss it.
Notre Dame going halfsies on the NBC paper sounds awesome, but it's also a bit creepy.
I'm still going to BELIEVE for now, though.
I haven't been on TKP since earlier today so...
I for one saw that exchange coming from a mile away.
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Can we just schedule loluva for our plus 1 so we can start a new streak?
Stomping them twice in a season would be very pleasant.
I'll allow it . gif
Saw where the ACC announced they would not allow bands in the stadium this season. Never fear, as we have a fantastic sound system and plenty of EDM to play. Nothing gets the blood pumping like Sandstorm being blasted over a mostly empty stadium.
Actually, it makes sense. Either there's not going to be a crowd, in which case there's really no point for the band to be there; or capacity is limited, so you would rather have folks in the crowd that actually bought a ticket. Although that second option would be more of a concern at the school level, not so much the conference.
Is this an actual gripe? Why on earth would stadiums have a large number of people grouped together blowing air through instruments during a pandemic with an airborne virus?
Should've put /s. Was being sarcastic. Makes sense, just the thought of EDM blasting to pump up a largely empty crowd made me chuckle.
I know there are staunch supporters of the MVs on TKP so you never know. I've got nothing against bands and prefer them to pumped in music but also know members of my high school's band liked to claim that fans only came to football games to see the band, so you never know.
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Hey I'm a former MV that only did band to see the football team, so it goes both ways.
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That was true and verifiable when it came to my high school. Band parents made up a comfortable majority of fans on our side of the field.
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Something interesting...
USC and UCLA are scheduled to play in their Week 1.
All things considered, that Cup belongs in Blacksburg and making that the first game is probably the best way to ensure that.
So let's beat those Hoos first, and beat them baaad.
Of course, we'll have to ensure that the players don't perform the usual victory celebration of drinking from the cup immediately. It will need to be properly disinfected to rid it of all sorts of nasty germs the hoos might have gotten in it, such as Covid, Zima, general douchery, etc.
Alcohol is a disinfectant, so fill the cup with appropriately strong enough beverages before they drink out of it. /s
Big 12 going 10 or 12 games with 9 conference. AAC going 10-12 with 8 conference. CUSA going 8 conference + 4 nonconference. No word on MAC, Mtn West Sun Belt or other independents.
Hopefully we can schedule either a B12 or AAC team as our plus one. I'd probably take Memphis Cincy or WVU first choice. Obviously Texas or OU would be super cool too
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I feel like any non-con wish lists are a futile effort while we still have three teams from our original schedule available to play.
Liberty is independent and fully intends to play 12 games. And while the date will definitely have to change, there are a few more date options that we didn't have before with the schedule running into December.
Middle Tennessee is CUSA, so they have plenty of room on their schedule.
North Alabama is an FCS in the Big South Conference, which hasn't cancelled or postponed their season, although some of their members have opted out of fall football. The remaining schools are scrambling to keep their schedules filled.
All of those games have technically been cancelled though I believe 🤷♂
Well, 2 of 3.
Middle Tennessee found Troy to replace us. I wonder if we're just gonna let that series drop. Then again, they might be the type of program to just take our money for a one-off road trip.
These are the home dates Tech has been told to try and prepare for as of this weeks planning.
🤔 Doesn't conference start on the 26th tho?
They hope to start between September 9th-12th.
That's when the SEC starts playing.
None of those are Thanksgiving weekend.
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Me before the schedule release: we should probably call the season.
Me after the schedule release: let's beat UVA and get the Commonwealth Cup back... then cancel the season.
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Building clean anchors is one of the easiest skills and yet probably 50 percent of the teams on El Cap never learn how. All too commonly wall climbers build anchors that end up like a rat's nest. Everything is clipped everywhere. It is hard to tell how well backed up things are, so even more backups are thrown in. In the end, you wind up with a modern art piece that is probably safe—but it is hard to tell since there are so many things clipped in so many places. Then it comes time to free up a rope and it becomes a form of surgery to delicately unclip and reclip things so that everyone stays safe. And where did all my free biners go?
Making clean anchors is actually pretty easy, fast and does not require as much gear as the clusterf*#k described above. The first step is to realize that big wall anchors are not the trad anchors you place on a typical multi-pitch climb. Usually, on a multi-pitch climb, you have one rope and one partner and not much else. In that situation it's okay to toss in a couple if pieces and equalize them. And then maybe tie in another piece with a clove hitch.
But on a wall, you just can't do that. Improvising seems more efficient at first but then it turns into a downward spiral as all the elements not present in trad climbs are added in. You have at least two ropes, a lot more gear, haul bags, and sometimes all this takes place at a hanging belay with no ledge to stand on. You need to plan out the anchor in advance. You can't improvise half way through or everything turns to spaghetti.
Equalizing three to five pieces with a cordalette.
Making clean and simple anchors.
The five knots you need.
Cordalette, free biners, shoulder-length slings, gear for the anchor, locking biners.
You can practice anchors anywhere. Off a rafter in your house, a gym, at the crag. The key thing is to have three to five anchor points within a three-foot radius of each other.
This whole chapter probably could have been three words long: Use a cordalette. But I will elaborate a little. First off, make sure the cordalette is not a single continuous loop and instead is a single strand with two figure-eights on a bite at either end.
What makes the cordalette magical? It equalizes all the gear in the anchor to one bomber master point.
On a big wall belay I like to have three bomber bolts or at least four pieces of good gear. Most of the time there are four pieces of gear in the belay. The cordalette works best when all four pieces are near each other. If you have a piece or two that are off from the main anchor points, you might have to attach a shoulder-length sling to them and tie in the cordalette there.
Clip two biners to the master point and fix the lead line.
Attach the wall hauler to the master point.
Haul. Once the bag gets up, clip it to the master point.
Everything revolves around the master point. Simple and bomber.
Note: It is good to get in the habit of always fixing the lead rope first, then getting ready to haul. That way, if it is windy or communication is unexpectedly difficult, the belayer will know that the lead line is fixed when the leader starts to haul.
There are times, especially on The Nose, where I don't use a cordalette. Usually, this happens when there are three bomber bolts in a row or two bolts in a row with one over to the side.
In this case, you certainly still could use a cordalette and that might be the best option. But I will often just use slings.
1. Figure-eight follow through —The only way to tie into the rope. Also a way to join two ropes for a big haul.
2. Figure-eight on a bite —The best knot for tying into the anchor.
3. Overhand knot —Good for fast applications where you are pretty sure the knot will not be loaded, like tying backup knots while jumaring. If you think you will load the knot, tie the figure eight on the bite because it is easier to untie later.
4. Double figure-eight —The most efficient way to equalize two pieces because it only requires two biners. This knot is best for trad climbs and is not commonly used on big walls. But it is a good one to know. It is especially good for fixing pitches because it helps you save biners and slings.
5. Clove hitch —The knot that uses the least about of rope to tie and is the easiest to tension. Great for bivvies or any application where you want to easily control the tension of the rope.
6. Overhand rappel knot —Great knot for rappelling. Leave at least 18 inches of tail and consider tying a backup knot.
7. Water knot —Used for tieing shoulder-length slings.
8. Girth hitch —Great for attaching two slings together to either improve an Aider or eliminate rope drag on a pitch.
a small typo at the beginning of second paragraph. "All to (too) often..."
"First off, make sure the cordalette is not a single continuous loop and instead is a sing strand with two figure eights on a bite at either end."
Think that was "instead is a single strand"
Somethings I came across on the wall and never see addressed in the How-to-books available.
1)Haul pulley goes on top of everything. Don't put your fixed line on top of the hauler...if you get the bag up to the anchor before your partner is done messing around, their weight will trap the haul pulley if you want it off before they get their weight off.
3) The side you clip the bag to. If you will be traversing right, put the bag on the right hand side of the anchor. Sounds simple and almost obvious but with a hanging belay, 3 person team, and a almost horizontal traverse...it's a bear (or a pig) trying to get that dam bag around two people if you don't want to drop it and watch it fly (if it is not on the side it's going to be going).
4) Put hauler high if you can. The lower the worse off. If the bolt is bomber looking, just slap it on there and starting pumping. Otherwise you gotta lower yourself 15 feet just to begin...and that is time consuming.
Just my 2 cents worth. The more parties that don't get hung up at belays = less wait on popular routes.
Put commas to separate names of the affiliates.
Near the end you mention and describe 9 knots everyone should know but earlier mentioned there were 5 knots that everyone should know for big wall. Change the 5 to a 9.
Lastly, when you're satisfied with the article think about doing some house cleaning on these comments...I don't think it hurts to show the development process, but then again I don't think anyone will be insulted if you decide to clear the comment space for the inevitable listing of thanks for such a good article, questions, and alternative ideas. You can trim out these 'correction notes' as you see fit.
Again, well done, and thanks for this and all the other great things you are doing with ST.
good explanation about the cordalette, but which length do you prefer?
And some pictures would help to imagine how a good wall belay should look like.
I agree with the comments suggesting to include some pictures and to discuss arrangement of the belay & things that are attached to it: gear, climbers, haul bag, etc. in various scenarios. Also discussing the arrangement in three dimensions: above/below, left-right, front-back of the different tensioned layers of rope. I've found that my biggest problem with hauling at an anchor is accidentally getting these layers crossed or accidentally pinching things down that need to be freed. Doh!
Great book and instructional videos! Any word on when this is expected to be finished?
generally informative, but cordelette isn't defined here. I assume you are talking about a conventional cordelette -- a single strand of 7mm nylon cord, length around 17-20 ft.
as for the figure 8's on a bite (sic), that means a tail coming back toward the middle of the rope, right? how long should this tail be?
Thank you for a great article. I´ve red this article (http://www.drivenoutside.com/tipstiddybelay.htm); earlier and found it a lille cluttered.
When the figure-eight follow-through is used to join two ropes, it is called a Flemish Bend.
This whole chapter probably could have been three words long: Use a cordalette.
Change capital "U" to lower-case "u."
...a single strand with two figure-eights on a bite at either end.
Change to "...a single strand with a figure-eight on a bight at either end."
No illustration or description of "the way" follows this.
"into" should be "in to."
I always thought that it was a 'bight' of rope?
But maybe that's an older English/American English spelling thing?
In the book you mention the trick to clove the lead line into the last piece if it is bomber. I found this to be one of the better tidbits in the book. Keeping the weight of the follower off the powerpoint makes it much less of a hassle to use the power for both hauling and for the follower, especially if the last moves are traversing.
"In the book you mention the trick to clove the lead line into the last piece if it is bomber."
Well, if you like untying weighted clove hitches, this is OK.
However the Better Way is to instead use an alpine butterfly tied in the lead rope, which is hugely easier to untie. You can use the last piece or two, or even one of the anchor bolts.
But yeah, either way, it keeps the weight of the cleaner off of where you're working.
When possible, I like to have the main anchor, usually a cordalet, to do the hauling off of since this is the most strain you get on your anchors in normal circumstances. I then set things up so the person following the pitch jugs from a clove hitch on the lowest piece in the anchor, or the last piece on the pitch, backed up by a figure 8 into the cordalet strong point or on the beefiest bolt.
Doing it this way keeps the rope your partner is cleaning on,off to the side & out of the way of the haul, making things much cleaner. If you ever have had to jug thru the haulbags & clean a tough pin, you'll really appreciate things more if you could have positioned the second off to the side for cleaning the pitch. When your partner arrives & is ready to lead out on the next pitch, you don't have everything clusterf#%@ed at one point.
Under coralete and Figure 8 on a "bite"
I think "bite" should be "bight" This isn't a Canadianism; I think it's the correct spelling in English everywhere.
Thankyou for all the helpful info.
I'd really like to know what you were about to say after ..."on a climb like the nose, I use slings in the following way"? I just finished the nose for the first time last month, and the whole way up I kept experimenting with different anchors, but haven't found a system I like yet. I'd love to hear how you anchor for a two bolt belay with hauling and block leading!


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The abbreviation BPA stands for Bisphenol A. BPA is a substance in the synthetic material, polycarbonate (PC), which is found in many products we use daily, e.g. plastic bags and food packaging, but also mobile phones and CDs as well as sunglasses, adhesives and nail polish.
Why did BPA come under criticism?
While the use of BPA in the production of the synthetic material PC was widely unnoticed up to the turn of the millennium, a discussion among medical practitioners and scientists began then about the effects of BPA on living organisms. The available studies were not consistant and therefore, different countries and different institutes were very contradictory in their assessments. An open debate picked up on these critical judgements and turned BPA into a subject much discussed in the media.
As market leader with many awards for it quality products, NUK has many years of experience with baby bottles made from BPA-free materials such as glass or polypropylene (PP), for example. By completely renouncing BPA, NUK gave some piece of mind back to parents already at an early stage. The ban on manufacturing and selling baby bottles containing BPA in the EU came into force on 1st June, 2011. NUK had already dispensed with polycarbonate bottles that contained BPA long before the demand of the EU and therefore, years before the final banning, could brand its baby products as "BPA-free".
What is the authorities' assessment of the risks from BPA?
What are NUK BPA-free products made from?
One of the oldest materials known to man is also used by NUK in the production of baby bottles. Glass is particularly hygienic and heat- resistant. In this process, NUK uses only borosilicate glass, which, with its cross-linked surface structure, wears well and withstands variations in temperature.
Polypropylene is a translucent, synthetic material, which is used by NUK for the manufacture of BPA-free baby bottles. Its smooth surface ensures that it is pleasant to touch. It is notably shatterproof and is even suitable for freezing.
Polyamide are synthetic materials with a high level of transparency, which it retains by being chemical-resistant – discolouring and clouding are a thing of the past. Polyamide is BPA-free, but not suitable for the microwave however.
In the FAQ, we have gone into more detail on BPA.