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"a government-run option to compete with private insurers"
How can private insurers compete with an entity that doesn't have to make a profit?
"It will kill jobs with tax hikes and new mandates"
No doubt.
Raja Kumar
Let us see the effect of health care bill in the coming years,hopes it improves health care USA.
adaydream
They would be required to spend 85% of their income from premiums on coverage, effectively limiting their ability to advertise or pay bonuses. Additionally, the industry would be stripped of immunity from antitrust regulations covering price fixing, bid rigging and market allocation. And in a late addition to the bill, 30-year-old restrictions on the Federal Trade Commission's ability to look into the insurance industry would be erased.
I love it. OMG I love it.
Oh Sarge the only health care bill offered by the republicans before the democrats forced this issue is exactly what we have now. Nothing. < :-)
adaydream - How can private insurers compete with an entity that doesn't have to make a profit?
yokomoc
The same way the Japanese insurers do, I'd guess.
cow76
Sarge, by offering higher quality treatment (duh!). Public hospitals offer free basic treatment but if you want to jump the queue or see a doctor with lots of letters after his name, pay extra and go private.
Tens of millions of people will have the right to free health care. If Bush did this, you would be applauding from the rooftops.
sailwind
Oct. 30, 2009	12:19 pm JST
Tens of millions of people will have the right to free health care.
Pretty darn hefty price tag for "free health care" if you ask me.
The Congressional Budget Office said the cost of additional coverage alone was slightly more $1 trillion over a decade.
adaydream: THat's classic, isn't it? They're scared they might not have the same golden parachutes and be able to screw the customers. Tsk tsk. Only a mindless sheep would buy into THAT being a bad thing.
Sarge I can't believe you republicans. Health care insurance goes up faster than the rate of inflation every single year. And you aren't looking for a way to save money in health care insurance. You want to continue to pay a system that takes, throws up walls to keep from insuring people, who increase co-payments, reduce services at will and has no competition and with existing laws you can't even investigate their scams.
You don't want to pay more taxes, cause it's your money. But you'd rather pay more in insurance rates because why?
The republicans are bought and sold by the insurance companies and you allow it. < :-)
skipthesong
How can private insurers compete with an entity that doesn't have to make a profit? The same way the Japanese insurers do, I'd guess." You are kidding right?
You don't want to pay more taxes, cause it's your money. But you'd rather pay more in insurance rates because why?" Bedcause its being spent on me and I take damn good care of myself. Now, what will have to do is help pay for some disgustinly over weight smoker/drinker whose riddle with STD's and is too much of a cheapskate to pay for his own insurance. As for being turned down, notice that much of that takes place in states with what we are going to get.... The state mandates the health insurance laws which is why in many cases you can't cross statelines with it. That's a governmental screw up. I have yet to meet someone whose been turned down by all insurance companies available. A pre-existing condition can get you a refusal but the state can force the insurer to take you on in most states as ultimately, its up to the state on how insurance is bought and sold. Additionally, most of the costs that go up are due to sales taxes on a hospital's equipment, their protective measures agaimst malpracitce. I might as just stay in Japan, at least they aren't newbies at it. Boy I can't wait to start hearing the complaining after all this starts taking place.
On the bright side, in the begining, the gov is going to spend a whole lot of money trying to build this. time to get back into medical products. Since I'm probably going to have to pay out more than I do now!
time to get back into medical products.
I keep hearing that the medical products aren't going to be creating any new products. They keep saying that the medical products companies and the pharmaseudical (sp) companies aren't going to come up with any more new drugs or new products. And it's all Obama's fault. < :-)
adaydream: You are dreaming again. No one says its going to be Obama's fault. There are still going to be private hospitals, universities, and private care providers who will now be able to refuse you service! If you really read my post, I said the beginning is going to be profitable but I do not have confidence in it in the long term and I am sure neither will the medtech and drug companies. We will ultimately end up with a monopoly. then we will say its Pelosi and Reid's fault. You see this really is more about politics than anything else. hey, you're old right? You won't mind paying more than you do now?
The insurance companies and money changers will always find a way to cut themselves in with profits and bonuses. Wait and see, it will be the doctors and nurses, who are already overworked and underpaid, who suffer most of all from this system. Even now dog and cat hospitals are more financially secure than most US medical facilities.
skipthesong: "...and private care providers who will now be able to refuse you service!"
You act like that's not at all the case now. You need to qualify your statement with, "who will now be able to refuse THE INSURED service". If you are referring to the uninsured, they get refused all the time now, which is the problem. Hell, even a lot of people WITH insurance have their claims rejected and in turn are refused further (or any) treatment. The point is now that places WON'T be able to refuse them (your average Joe, that is).
Anyway, I DO agree that places will still find ways to make money. It's also true that a certain amount of this is about politics, but I also believe that there are those who genuinely wish that everyone have access to health care.
On a lighter note.....Only in America could you roll out 1,990 pages of legalese and bureaucratic jargon and call it "Reform".
Health care is NOT a right! People who say it is, do not understand the concept of "rights". The U.S.is well down the road to totalitarianism. THIS IS WRONG! We have the BEST system in the world. The gubmit will not get one cent from me. Certain groups will be privleged, the economy will tank, and the gubmint will grow...
smith: forgive my typing abilities on these tiny keys.. What I meant was, like in Japan for the few private health care insurance providers that 90% don't know about, is that they are allowed to refuse you for various reasons. In the states, if you are refused, you can look for another company and in most cases, you can take action. You normally never hear when the government sides with the insurance companies, you only hear when they lose. Most think if you sue an insurance company, you are suing only that company, but you are not, you are basically taking the state to court was well. They have the final say in all of these matters, but that seems to never be discussed. What will most likely happen is the states will have to reason the health care providers from their grips and allow them to go completely private.
If you want an anology, think of the US education system. You have to pay into the system even though you send your kids to say Catholic school. The Catholic school is require to fulfil certain requirements, but in only a handful of states these days. In those states, the school can refuse you entry, and including discriminating against you, and its all within the law. The same is likely to happen with this.
As for "I DO agree that places will still find ways to make money. It's also true that a certain amount of this is about politics, but I also believe that there are those who genuinely wish that everyone have access to health care." Those that are leading this are going to make a lot out of it, believing that they won't and its not a reason for it to be pushed outside of politics means you've been looking at too many Norman Rockwell paintings. "but I also believe that there are those who genuinely wish that everyone have access to health care." for those that can't afford, there is and has always been medicaid. While working in my younger years, I've lots of young people driving up with nice fancy cars, nice clothes, coming in and telling us they don't have insurance. There still is no real unbiased data on who are the people that really need to get public support.
I'm against paying any more than I have to especially since I am living in Japan. Plus, I have no gripes what I get and I pay less than I pay in Japan with its national care and the sector my wife has us on. Basically, after getting sick one time here and seeing the quality of un-named hospital, I feel I'm getting ripped off. In fact, next time I'm sick, I'm going to some international clinic where I have to pay cash. I think its in Kamiyacho. But I am for it as already there is a lot of traffic about how we can cash in on it.
skip: "Those that are leading this are going to make a lot out of it, believing that they won't and its not a reason for it to be pushed outside of politics means you've been looking at too many Norman Rockwell paintings"
Perhaps they will make a lot of money out of it, but again I'm willing to bet there are those who are hoping everyone is covered. But let's say you're against it SOLELY because there are people that will make money. Well, there are those who will make FAR more if this system is not put in place, namely the medical establishment and the companies as they are. Even if you choose based on that alone, the former seems the lesser of the two evils.
smith: maybe you won't believe me, but as far as I am concerned we, Americans, are and will be in a catch-22 for a while. Best thing to do is to see how we can capitalize on it just like "most" of the politicians who will. There is no point in arguing about now, its a done deal. So you won't hear any complaints from me until I start paying increase coverage for myself, and the employees I have back in the US.
DickMorris
My hard earned tax Dollars are going to pay for the lazy and immoral`s healthcare, also millions of illegal aliens. Another great job lame duck Obama.
"free health care"
Gosh, I didn't know that doctors, nurses, hospital staff, drug company workers, etc., work for free!
I am not American but pay a bit of tax there and I do hope they spend it on free health care for all.
usaexpat
At least there is a public option as I've said before without one nothing would be accomplished. My fear is whether or not this will lead to increased rather than decreased premiums as insurers try to make up money for having to cover pre-existing conditions. There are still not enough price controls but at least someone is looking at the problem.
DickMorris: That's a knee slapper, your hard earned dollars already pay for the "lazy" (read poor or unfortunate) people through S-Chip and Medicaid. Apparently that bothers you more than the millions of people who can't get coverage because of pre-existing conditions or get dropped when they get sick. I am not a fan of government but private insurance has been merely a scheme to make a few CEOs wealthy at the expense of the whole of American society.
Taka313
I just left a briefing with the director from TRICARE North. He stated something that absolutely blew me away. In 2000, health care was the number 17 reason people gave for joining the military. In 2009, government health care is the 2nd most popular reason given for joining the Uniformed Forces.
It's time for health care reform, no matter what the mouth breathers say.
donkusai
Well, taking into account a 2005 study that showed about half of bankruptcies in the US are caused by debt resulting from medical bills and most of those were from your "average Joe" demographic (google Himmelstein's study). More recent data shows that 1 in every 92 homeowners have been forced to foreclose on their homes, and of those, a quarter will be due to medical bill debt (http://works.bepress.com/christopher_robertson/2/). That means about 1 in every 350 homes will be sold from under a family's feet so as to settle medical bills. This has a huge flow-on cost to the US economy. This isn't illegal workers or lazy layabouts we're talking about here, but average Americans.
The whole "I'm not paying for some lazy, disease-ridden illegal alien's healthcare" argument really is just a huge strawman argument. But hey, who am I to argue if you want keep rolling the dice and hoping you don't get rolled by the system. In my country we have a national healthcare system and the total number of people here who've lost their houses due to medical bills.... zero. I personally take out private healthcare because the private companies offer me extras that the government system doesn't. It's called competition. Companies offer services that people want and they do well. That's the way things work.
I personally take out private healthcare because the private companies offer me extras that the government system doesn't. It's called competition.
Thank you for dropping a logic bomb on this argument.
The canard that insurance companies won't be able to compete is an argument a 3rd grader could beat.
Other businesses have been able to compete with the govt. and thrive. FedEx does just fine competing against the government's USPS.
A little honest thought and research would go so far in the health care debate but as long as ODS is in full swing, stupid soundbytes is all we will ever hear.
adaydream: You are dreaming again. No one says its going to be Obama's fault.
I enjoy listening to Shawn Hannity, Laura Ingram and Mike Savage. I hear how the conservatives blame everything on Obama. Some times they sound so desperate that they shreak and whine telling me how Obama, Reed and Pelosi are ruining the country. Calling Obama and his ilk Marxist, Socialist and Communist. < :-)
"In 2009, government health care is the 2nd most popular reason given for joining the Uniformed Services"
Let's hear it for government health care! lol
So tanglewood, where would you draw the line on compensation? How would you establish tort reform? I'm not for tort reform, but I'm just trying to see your side. < :-)
How are they suppose to compete with this restriction put on them if this passes?
They would be required to spend 85% of their income from premiums on coverage, effectively limiting their ability to advertise or pay bonuses.
Sounds real fair if they can't even advertise their services anymore doesn't it?
adaydream,
You might find this very interesting......Tort reform works, boy does it work.
When Sam Houston was still hanging his hat in Tennessee in the 1830s, it wasn't uncommon for fellow Tennesseans who were packing up and moving south and west to hang a sign on their cabins that read "GTT" – Gone to Texas.
Today obstetricians, surgeons and other doctors might consider reviving the practice. Over the past three years, some 7,000 M.D.s have flooded into Texas, many from Tennessee. [Why Doctors Are Heading for Texas] Corbis
Sam Houston.
Why? Two words: Tort reform.
In 2003 and in 2005, Texas enacted a series of reforms to the state's civil justice system. They are stunning in their success. Texas Medical Liability Trust, one of the largest malpractice insurance companies in the state, has slashed its premiums by 35%, saving doctors some $217 million over four years. There is also a competitive malpractice insurance industry in Texas, with over 30 companies competing for business. This is driving rates down.
The result is an influx of doctors so great that recently the State Board of Medical Examiners couldn't process all the new medical-license applications quickly enough. The board faced a backlog of 3,000 applications. To handle the extra workload, the legislature rushed through an emergency appropriation last year.
Hey Taka, do you feel comfortable knowing a guy like me was one of those providing you with such health care services?
Before the asbestos and silica MDLs were created, nonmalignancy plaintiffs settled with defendants for anywhere between $30,000 to $150,000 per case. No one knows how many bogus cases were settled in the state with large cash payments. Lawyers who specialized in defending those cases say there were tens of thousands.
i read with interest the article on tort reform supplied by sailwind. Interesting article. The above example sited is an example of stopping ambulance chasers and frivilious cases, which I agree with totally.
The tort reform that certain doctors are screaming about is limiting all law suits at $250K and no-fault findings.
Sure you'll get good doctors to come to Texas. You'll get more bad doctors who can't practice in other states anymore or don't want to chance their sloppy doctoring getting caught in another state.
But to give carte blanche and amnesty to fault like so many are looking for is unreasonable. < :-)
Skip,
None at all. Should I?
Sail,
LIMIT ADVERTISING....and their bonuses.
Wrong emphasis. Where did you go?
Taka313, did I miss something? How is skipthesong providing your health care service? < :-)
Yeah, I'm not sure there either Alan. But, Skip has my respect. We had our differences but put them behind us I believe. Plus, he's a musician so you know he can't be all bad. ;-)
mtimjones
With this healthcare reform bill, Obama will sell out America's future to create a new entitlement that will be fraud-ridden and abused. Liberals love to spend money, especially when it's someone elses.
Nov. 4, 2009	01:55 am JST
Orrin Hatch recently did something rather uncharacteristic for a republican. He told the truth when he said that republicans aren't worried about health care reform failing, they are worried about it being a success because they know a grateful nation will turn to the Democratic party and the republicans will lose even more relevence.
Honestly, I'm far from surprised that the republicans would stick it to Americans in order to stay relevant.
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Tharbad starts out as a Númenórean settlement on the Gwathló, settled somewhere in the Second Age. The ford is first mentioned in SA 883. It is where Númenórean king Tar-Aldarion first meets Galadriel, who dwells in Eregion at that time. Several decades later, if not centuries, the Númenóreans start to interact more closely with the area around Tharbad.
Enedwaith and Minhiriath are the site of many lumber camps. The timber is used for the harbour at Lond Daer. Lond Daer is describes as "the site of a new haven entirely under Númenórean control…[which] was in origin a timber-port and ship-building harbour". Tharbad is likely to have been a fortress-town, providing safety to the Númenóreans harvesting the trees, protecting them from Dunlendings and druedain raids.
Sauron invades Eregion in SA 1695, which is looted and razed shortly after. The gates of Moria close. In SA 1700 almost all of Eriador is held by Sauron.
"Then Tar-Minastir the [Númenórean] King sent out a great navy; but it was delayed, and did not reach the coasts of Middle-earth until the year 1700. By that time Sauron had mastered all Eriador, save only besieged Imladris, and had reached the line of the River Lhûn. He had summoned more forces, which were approaching from the south-east, and were indeed in Enedwaith at the Crossing of Tharbad, which was only lightly held. Gil-galad and the Númenóreans were holding the Lhûn in desperate defence of the Grey Havens, when in the very nick of time the great armament of Tar-Minastir came in; and Sauron's host was heavily defeated and driven back. The Númenórean admiral Ciryatur sent part of his ships to make a landing further to the south."
Sauron's flight and the ensuing battle are described in more detail: "Sauron was driven away south-east after a great slaughter at Sarn Ford (the crossing of the Baranduin); and though strengthened by his force at Tharbad he suddenly found a host of the Númenóreans again in his rear, for Ciryatur had put a strong force ashore at the mouth of the Gwathló (Greyflood), 'where there was a small Númenórean harbor'…
"In the Battle of the Gwathló Sauron was routed utterly and he himself only narrowly escaped. His small remaining force was assailed in the east of Calenardhon, and he with no more than a bodyguard fled to the region afterwards called Dagorlad (Battle Plain), whence broken and humiliated he returned to Mordor, and vowed vengeance upon Númenor. The army that was besieging Imladris was caught between Elrond and Gil-galad, and utterly destroyed. Eriador was cleared of the enemy, but lay largely in ruins."
Enedwaith and minhiriath are already devoid of trees when Sauron is defeated. Tolkien writes: "When Sauron was at last defeated and driven east out of Eriador most of the old forests had been destroyed. The Gwathló flowed through a land that was far and wide on either bank a desert, treeless but untilled".
A hundred years pass after the war. From SA 1800 onwards the Númenóreans start to establish permanent dominions in Middle-Earth. They start extorting the local population, and levy heavy taxes and duties. While this mostly applies to the regions direclty east of Númenór, a similar practice can be expected along the Greyflood. Only minor growth of this area -if any, since most riches were to be found near Umbar. Tharbad is still unreachable by (sea-going) ships.
In SA 3320 Arnor and Gondor are founded after the Downfall of Númenor. Annúminas becomes capital of Arnor, whereas Osgiliath becomes capital of Gondor. Tharbad becomes the link between the two kingdoms. "In the early days of the kingdoms the most expeditious route from one to the other (except for great armaments) was found to be by sea to the ancient port at the head of the estuary of the Gwathlo and so to the river-port of Tharbad, and thence by the road". A bridge is constructed, for which the immense labour was shared by the North and South Kingdoms. The town and haven about the great bridge are fortified. Tharbad prospers. "With long labour a port capable of receiving seagoing vessels had been made at Tharbad, and a fort raised there on great earthworks on both sides of the river, to guard the once famed Bridge of Tharbad".
Overhead plan:
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In-game guide:
Link --> Greyflood forts and villages thread
Will raise the ramp, make the city a swamp.
Will show the floodings by emulating breached levees
https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/iha-roman-medieval-sea-river-flood-defences/heag229-roman-medieval-sea-river-flood-defences/
Please PM me if you have a good idea for the harbour areas
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Ytsen listed 5 September 2020 12:07 #2
Ytsen 5 September 2020 12:58 #3
I have a pretty good idea of how i want the city. Tharbad will look much like Annuminas, with the exception that only the forts, the bridge and the ramp leading up to it will be clearly visible. The residential area will look a bit like annuminas, but with a lot less buildings made out of stone. Stagnant pools will be all over this area, and the poorer areas will not be visible at all.
I'm not too sure of where I want the harbour areas to be, and how they ought to look (shapewise). Which is why i'd like some input from the community. Does anyone have any good ideas? You could draw them on the layout map in this thread or draw them on a screenshot of the dynmap. Open to other feedback as well!
Fornad 5 September 2020 21:42 #4
How will you show the remnants of the people who lived in the city after Arnor/Gondor abandoned it, given that they lived there less than 100 years ago?
MrBanana 6 September 2020 00:43 #5
Okay so I tried to do some research in the matter since it could end up being useful for Gondor as well.
RIVER HARBORS
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This is what remains of the river harbor of Aquileia, one of the most important roman cities in the North of Italy. The river that once flew thru the city has almost disappeared, but back in the day it was very shallow with a slow water flow. This allowed them to tie up and unload the ships directly on the riverside, without any kind of protected harbor.
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Something I find interesting is the presence of these little lateral channels that allowed them to take the smaller ships directly into the warehouses built along the bank.
RIVER DRYDOCK
This is what remains of a roman harbor + drydock near Narni, a city in the centre of Italy many km away from the sea built along a very narrow river. What they did here is quite impressive: in order to obtain a suitable slot for the drydock, they litterally cut an artificial canal on the mountainside, 280 m long, 16 m wide and 6 m deep. Then they used the rock walls on the two sides as the actual walls of the facility and simply covered a piece of the canal with a roof. What you see on the picture is the lower end of the canal, showing the water level control system.
I think we can try to combine the 2 examples. Since the Gwathlo in this area is quite wide and shallow due to the ford, originally the docks could have been built in the same way of those in Aquileia (so with the warehouses directly on the riverbank and the little side-canals leading into them) and could easily show a similar state of decay. But for the drydocks they would need an artificial canal where the water could be more easily controlled. Down here is a suggestion of how I would implement it, but that's just a matter of personal taste and you can organize it as you like.
Thank you, this is great
Yannig 6 September 2020 10:07 #7
Quick citation coming from the Greyflood/Gwathlo Fort and Town Ruins :
devastating floods associated with the thaw from the Fell Winter of 2912 swept away Tharbad and its satellite towns
Tharbad's harbor is probably still visible in some way but I would make it even more destroyed than the rest of the infrastructures.
I am making a planning for CTown4 at the moment and I won't even bother with its harbor except for some warehouses.
When you quote things it's important to quote the source. That doesn't sound like something Tolkien wrote to me. Did you get it from a wiki?
There were certainly floods in 2912 but the phrasing "swept away" is very extreme.
Those are Darthenigma's words but I don't know his sources, that is true.
Fornad 6 September 2020 10:12 #10
The best quote we have for the state of Tharbad is this:
" When Boromir made his great journey from Gondor to Rivendell - the courage and hardihood required is not fully recognized in the narrative - the North-South Road no longer existed except for the crumbling remains of the causeways, by which a hazardous approach to Tharbad might be achieved, only to find ruins on dwindling mounds, and a dangerous ford formed by the ruins of the bridge, impassable if the river had not there been slow and shallow - but wide."
– Unfinished Tales
MrBanana 6 September 2020 11:33 #11
I have another little imput to give layout-wise. Most of the roman cities built along rivers seem to have developed almost entirely on one of the two sides and when they did develop on both of them, one of the two was clearly much bigger. Here are some examples, of Rome in the II century, London, Aquileia and Verona.
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Atm Tharbad seems to be developing on both sides almost at the same extent. I think that making the north-west side (the Cardolan one) slightly bigger than the other one could be interesting. This would be the side with the forum, the cardus and decumanus and most of the city itself, while the other one, having developed later, could host what usually was built outside the city walls, such as the theater, the amphitheater, some more docks, the poorer districts, ecc…
Oriol 6 September 2020 12:06 #12
This would make more sense if it was completely based on Roman stuff but, in my limited knowledge, I seem to recall Osgiliath being developed on both sides equally (or at least there's no indication of it being otherwise).
This would probably be a closer indication of how Tharbad would be, no?
It could be like that for sure, I think there's a lot of freedom about this.
My personal feeling is that a little disproportion would feel a lot more realistic and natural looking than a city split in half by the river. It suggests the idea of a city founded on one of the two sides that would have expanded on the other one as a result of the construction of the bridge.
The Arnorian side is noticeably larger. However I feel the fact that each side was owned by a different state would even things out a bit.
Wait so the eastern and western banks of Tharbad actually had two separate governments?
Correct, yeah.
Uh well that changes things then. Ignore my last argument
Ytsen 9 October 2020 16:32 #18
Dumping some reference material here.
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I will be using Banana's example on the western shore.
I'm looking for a co-lead on this project, or someone who's willing to help me with laying out one of the forts. I'll be doing the western river bank first.
Ytsen 14 October 2020 11:25 #19
Yannig has expressed interest in co-leading this.
He also came up with this cool idea for the Numenorean fort:
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Fornad 2 January 2021 13:53 #20
Project approved and planning pasted on to the main map!


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Anya Battaglino Brings Heart of Gold to Connecticut Whale
As the National Women's Hockey League's clubs began acquiring players to fill out their rosters, it became evident that many of the players were not just athletes, but ambassadors for the game. In addition to their agile talents on the ice and dedication in the classroom as student-athletes, many were equally dedicated to bringing betterment to their community.
One such person who represented these values was blueliner Anya Battaglino, a member of the Connecticut Whale. With a strong hockey resume that includes four consecutive state tournaments in high school, to a run with the Boston University Terriers, complemented by a Clarkson Cup in 2013, there was no question that the Whale also landed a fundamentally sound player.
An additional factor would shine through, most notable during the recent holiday season. Battaglino showed compassionate spirit, embodying the values of being a Hockey Humanitarian. With fellow Whale teammate Kaleigh Fratkin (both were also teammates with the Boston University Terriers); the two launched a very moving campaign on social media.
Such graciousness resulted in a very moving initiative to assist the less fortunate, while incorporating a love of hockey. The result was a heartwarming stick donation campaign, an admirable and heartwarming effort. With the criteria that a stick would be donated for every 50 "follows", the compassionate result was 15 sticks, as reported by Dan Rice.
"The idea was born from just thinking about what I can do to entice people to get involved with a cause that's bigger than myself. I know getting active on Twitter is an easy task and getting people to retweet or follow or like a post is fairly easy. I love to get people involved with causes I care deeply about.
In so many ways hockey has identified me for years, and to think that some children cannot afford the same experience is so sad to me. So I thought how can I not only provide awareness to this, but also how can I contribute in a way that changes someone's holiday."
Reflecting on the concept sees Battaglino's maturity shining through. For the less fortunate children whose holiday she and Fratkin helped brighten, they are destined to become a beloved part of their hockey communities, subsequently making them the kind of players that young players would like to emulate.
Taking into account that this charitable endeavor occurred during rehabilitation from injury, Battaglino certainly put a strong emphasis on teamwork. The result was not only one of proud achievement but it was one of shared victory,
"To see so many people get involved and to see the numbers climbing melted my heart. I even had people telling me they were donating money to similar causes, or recycling old gear. That is what I wanted to happen, I wanted to have people change their inverted outlook and think critically about what the hockey community can do to help.
There are so many of us with old sticks in the basement or old helmets and skates and to us it is just old stuff or last year's model but to someone else it is the opportunity to experience the sport. It is someone else's key to success, it is the "Welcome" mat on the front door.
Every single one of us in the NWHL is blessed to have the opportunity to play and to get customized sticks from Base Hockey and to get gear and everything, and on top of that we get paid. So for me, taking my December salary to buy sticks for children that otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity to play was a no brainier. I want everyone to be able to love hockey and play hockey as much as I do."
Although Battaglino is classified as a practice player for the Whale, her respect for teammates and devotion to the club are without dispute. She is a benignly and upbeat player, whose optimism charisma is geared towards a collective effort where success is the end goal.
There is no question about her intention to show up for work, her appreciation for the team is only enhanced by a smile that envelops her love of hockey. Such a profound approach and philosophical wisdom translates into motivation, setting a positive example for her contemporaries.
"When I look at my teammates, I do not even see that I am a practice player. There are 22 people on our roster and being a member of this amazing group of trailblazers is what gets me out of bed in the morning. When we do anything in life, we have to fill specific roles, whether it's a leadership role at work or a supportive role in a friendship, life constantly gives you roles to adhere to perform at the best of your ability.
My role within the CT Whale is to be a good teammate and a challenger in practice and when I get called up into a game, I need to be prepared and ready for game day. Whether I am sitting in dress pants or hockey pants, I know that when the puck drops I have done everything to prepare my teammates and myself for victory. That is what motivates me. It blurs the line between "practice player" and "rostered" player."
Getting the opportunity to compete with the Whale in the first-ever game in NWHL history, it set the stage for a remarkable and highly memorable milestone in her hockey career. It also added an empowering chapter to a sparkling body of work that once included the opportunity to grace NHL ice in 2013 at Calgary's Scotiabank Saddledome, back when she donned the black and gold jersey of the Boston Blades.
Adding to the historic jubilation of playing in the NWHL's inaugural game was the presence of her family, stirring triumphant emotions. Along with good friend Fratkin becoming the first Canadian to register a point in NWHL history, Battaglino would win a pair of faceoffs, all contributions towards a 4-1 victory against the New York Riveters. In reflecting on such a euphoric moment, she acknowledges the bigger victory for the game itself, testament to her team-first approach,
"For my NWHL debut, I had my parents in the stands and the second I stepped on the ice I locked eyes with my mom and I had to choke back a tear or two. I was flying around the ice for warm-ups, and I was getting paid for it. It was absolutely surreal to think to myself that there was a guy in my place doing the same thing, and now the NHL exists.
I have not let it all soak in that when I have a baby girl she will look wide eyed at something I was able to help start. That was the thought in my mind, it constantly is. We have such a huge responsibility to ensure success, and that started and continues with that game and each game afterward."
"All quotes obtained first hand unless otherwise indicated"
Image obtained from Twitter: https://twitter.com/battaglinoa
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God's grace is overflowing! On May 12, 2012, I made my perpetual vows and was immediately sent by my congregation to Canada for mission work. It was a big adventure, and faith-moving.
Sister Marilyn and I arrived at Holy Trinity Parish in North Vancouver on Aug. 19, 2012, and were picked up at the airport by the generous Marge and Nael Degrano – our first family here. Fathers James Comey and Rey Usman welcomed us and handed us the keys to our convent. Our mission journey had begun and, deep in my heart, I would persistently marvel at what I would give birth to spiritually in this mission.
I love my work in the sacristy, as it has rooted me more in my relationship with God. Being a Grade 2 PREP catechist has challenged me to work with children in preparation for their first holy Communion. All our parish involvement and pastoral ministry to the hospital has made my apostolic life meaningful.
We were always encouraged by the Archdiocese of Vancouver to receive formation to get updated on ministering more effectively and I was very inspired when Murita Chua gave presentations on Catechism of the Good Shepherd. It was through her that I was inspired to adopt the methodology and start making even simple materials with cardboard.
When she invited us to attend CGS training in August 2013 at St. Jude's Elementary, it grounded me greatly in my faith, in my vocation as a religious, and in our ministry to children.
With much joy and inspiration, I asked permission from Lea Young to help as a volunteer in her atrium every Tuesday. I was welcomed with open arms by St. Jude's Principal Mike Perry and from September 2013 to June 2014 he asked me to present my vocation story to all grade levels in the school. I learned a lot by having hands-on experience of the methodology with the students and was determined to finish Level 1 training in May 2014.
Academic Year 2014-2015 was a challenging year as I was required to remain in the convent more. However, this gave me the opportunity to start making CGS materials. In October 2014, my sister fell seriously ill for three months in the Philippines. I spent most of my time in our chapel praying for her to get well and recover. It was also at this time that I completed making CGS Eucharistic presence materials. Due to my sister's condition and my love for CGS at the same time, I started praying Psalm 23 – the Lord is my Shepherd – every day. Praise God, my sister recovered and is alive today.
On July 19, 2015, a turnover of pastors took place. Father Comey, who was very much appreciated by the sisters for his fatherly love and care for us, entrusted us to Father Augustine Obiwumma, who is very supportive and empowering to us in all our endeavours. I started with CGS Level 2 Training in August 2015.
CGS started to sprout and grow as I substituted in St. Jude from September to November 2015. By January 2016, CGS was introduced to Holy Trinity Elementary as a program in preparation for first holy Communion. Holy Trinity Principal Kevin Smith liked the program materials he had seen and I told him I was willing to offer the program at his school. As part of our preparation, he and I visited St. Jude's CGS Room (Atrium) and I started attending CGS Level 3 Training in August 2016.
The Good Shepherd is very faithful, and our CGS Level 1 Atrium was blessed by Father Augustine on Oct. 11, 2016 (timely as it was the birthday of my sister who recovered). It was attended by most of our parishioners from the morning Mass including Adrian Smith, a parishioner who helped me with most of our wooden materials.
The CGS program started with Kindergarten, Grade 1, and Grade 2 once a week. Each grade level was divided into two groups who would come to CGS for an hour each. I am blessed that God sent me Alejandra Lara to assist me in the implementation.
The work of the Good Shepherd cannot be prevented and it continues to blossom as we hosted more CGS training. This will give birth to a new atrium on the North Shore at St. Anthony's Parish, soon to be followed, we hope, by Deacon Renee Nahanee bringing it to St. Paul's, North Vancouver.
The CGS program for the academic year 2017-2018 was offered for Kindergarten to Grade 3 once a week and from Grades 4 to 7 once a month. With the gift of more children, I am double-blessed by Monica Altamirano and Mariana Amui who are generously assisting me in the implementation of the program.
This academic year 2018- 2019, CGS runs from Kindergarten to Grade 4 once a week and Grades 5 to 7 once a month. Sister Margaret Z Hkawn Ri comes in and helps me every Thursday and I am hoping that soon we will have full implementation of the program in all grade levels next school year.
I thank God for giving me a lot of patience working with the children, and for teaching me profoundly about my faith through CGS. This is my driving force in adopting and loving this program, giving me the courage to experiment and apply this methodology to our children. This program has given me a great deal of discipline and diligence in prayer, preparation, and handing on the faith to the children.
I am so inspired by children who quietly work on a liturgical calendar, setting the altar table, or with materials on the Mass and baptism. The children's favourites are materials on the Good Shepherd, the Last Supper, the Empty Tomb, and a puzzle map of the city of Jerusalem. It is such an inspiration when Grade 1s can name all the Articles of the Mass. It is truly inspiring to see the Grade 2s receive First Holy Communion, knowing the gestures and prayers at Mass, which they have learned the whole year with their Roman missal and repeated mini-masses. It is amazing to see the children's faces beaming with joy and confidence and the bond they have for each other receiving Jesus for the first time.
One time we were going through the Holy Mass. The class was so quiet I could tell how profound the experience was and how they understood it. With joy, I told them that we would invite Father Augustine next time, but one student said confidently, "When he comes, he will just sit down and we will be the ones to say the Mass!" I hope that one day this program encourages priestly vocations among our children.
When we first implemented CGS, I was afraid the children won't understand the presentations of the parables. But I was surprised to see how easily they comprehended and reflected upon them. I am convinced now that the parables are also meant for the children.
I am grateful to have finished all my CGS training this summer and am proud to be a recipient of a scholarship for both my Level 2 and Level 3 formation. Holy Trinity Elementary and Parish were also very supportive in my travel expenses and my religious community was very generous in supporting me through this wonderful faith formation program. I am also very thankful for my CGS formators Deb, Susan, Carolyne-Marie, and Lynn, and for all the families and friends who have hosted me and inspired me in this endeavor. And truly, all glory to God the Good Shepherd!
Sister Minerva I. Boado, SNDS, is a La Salette Sister from the Philippines. She is currently coordinator and catechist of the Catechesis of the Good Shepherd and coordinator of PREP and youth ministry at Holy Trinity Parish.


I wish we would stop these multiple week day games. It wears our players out, especially pitchers and catchers. We need them fresh for the more important weekend conference games.
Lol. These are college kids. They could play everyday if they had to, and they probably wish they did. I know I did when I was that age. They aren't getting worn out by playing an extra midweek game, trust me.
HOW ELSE DO THEY GET TO 56 GAMES. EVERYONE HAS TO DO IT.
In the D1 poll they finally moved us ahead of the Tarholes . Moved ahead of Louisville also at #16.
GT went from unranked to 17th after going 2-1 vs UNC.
Contrary to what a few of you have to say, as a former catcher, it is very taxing on your body to play numerous games in a short period of time (no matter what your age).
Wilkie won't catch both midweek games, and I guarantee you he's gonna he p1ssed about it.
That's why you need two catchers.
Also catchers are normally allotted more days off.


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Bishop Floyd and Mrs. Ellen Covey Celebrate 50 Years of Ministerial Service. "On November 10, 2018, the Lord allowed Ellen and me to celebrate fifty (50) years of service in various forms of ministry. We had a reception at St. Andrew's Episcopal Church here in Collierville, Tennessee. Many friends and family members came to join us for this glorious event. Our Lord has been so gracious to allow us to serve in many different settings over the years. All Praise and Honor and Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit!!!" These inspiring words shared by the Most Rev. Dr. Floyd Lee Covey, O.SS.T. upon celebrating 50 years of ministerial service. Bishop Floyd went on to say, "Our Lord was so gracious during 2018 in allowing me to celebrate three incredibly significant events - my Life Profession of Vows as Monk in O.SS.T.; my Consecration as a Bishop; and the 50 year Ministry Celebration. All Praise and Honor and Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit!!!" Congratulations +Floyd and Ellen, may God continue to bless you both with many more years of ministry!
O.SS.T. Welcomes New Partner in Ministry with a Concordat / Agreement of Full Communion with The Evangelical Orthodox Old Catholic Church in America. It is with heartfelt joy that on January 13, 2018, The Baptism of the Lord, the Order of the Most Holy Mary Theotokos entered into a Concordat / Agreement of Full Communion with The Evangelical Orthodox Old Catholic Church in America.
The Evangelical Orthodox Old Catholic Church in America, under the spiritual, synodical, and corporate episcopal oversight of His Eminence, the 4th Archbishop Metropolitan ++Allen W. (Francis Benedict) Zaugg; is an "Apostolic Mandated" Orthodox Catholic jurisdiction that encourages both men and women to reach their full calling to serve our Lord Jesus Christ within His One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
A New Resurrection Day for All!
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O.SS.T. Mourns the Loss of Two Dear Friends on November 23, 2018. We were extremely saddened to learn of the tragic death of Abba Anthony Curley and Sister Joan Swails on November 23, 2018 as the result of a horrific automobile accident. Abba Anthony was killed instantly and Sister Joan died a short while later at the hospital. Both were members of the Benedictine Community of Saint Anthony to which the Order of the Most Holy Mary Theotokos has enjoyed sharing an intercommunion agreement with for the past several years. Please keep the surviving members of the community in your thoughts and prayers during this very difficult time.
"For each of us the time is surely coming when we shall have nothing but God. Health and wealth and friends and hiding places will all be swept away, and we shall have only God. To the person of pseudo faith that is a terrifying thought, but to real faith it is one of the most comforting thoughts the heart can entertain."
Eternal rest, grant unto them O Lord and let perpetual light shine upon them.
May they rest in peace in the loving and merciful arms of Christ Jesus. Amen.
We celebrate the life of both of these fine saints who spent their lives bringing the Light of Christ to all they met. They will be missed!
The 2018 Annual O.SS.T. Synod/Retreat was held 18 thru 21 October 2018. An O.SS.T. Chapter Meeting was held in conjunction with this year's annual retreat/synod held October 18th thru the 21st at the Hampton Inn by Hilton in Fayetteville, Georgia. This year's theme was "The Mass, the Source and Summit of Our Catholic Faith". Participants walked through the Liturgy with Bishop Barron and were transformed through insights on the most priviledged and intimate encounter with our Lord Jesus Christ. We learned how the Mass brings us out of the fallen world and into the heavenly realm, how it resonates with a call from God and a response from his people, the Church, and, most importantly, how we are intimately joined with the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus through the Holy Eucharist. The Mass helped us understand how to fully, consciously, and actively participate in the source and summit of the Christian Life. There was also a presentation with practicum on the Eucharist, offering inspiring insights into the mystery of Christ's presence in our lives and the centrality of the Eucharist as the fullness of that presence. We also discussed the Heroic Priesthood...the demands and joys of the priestly vocation. A community meal was shared at Our Lady of Peace Archabbey on the evening of Friday the 19th with a special highlight of the gathering being the community Mass with the elevation of Bishop Dr. Floyd Lee Covey, Sr., O.SS.T., to the Episcopate on Saturday the 20th at the Church of the Holy Cross. To view Bishop Barron's "The Mass" - Trailer, click here.
Subdeacon Wayne Henri Silk, ER.O.SS.T. Moves From the Life in Community to the Eremitic Life. In our times the anchoritic life as a distinct form of vocation is almost unheard of. However, an increasing number of Christian faithful feel again a vocation to live the eremitic life, whether in the remote country side or in a city in stricter separation from the world, without having passed through the coenobium first.
Bearing in mind that the meaning of the eremitic vocation is the Desert Theology of the Old Testament (i.e. the 40 years wandering in the desert that was meant to bring about a change of heart), it may be said that the desert of the urban hermit is that of the heart, purged through kenosis to be the dwelling place of God alone.
The Order of the Most Holy Mary Theotokos has made provisions concerning those Solemn Life Professed First Order Monks who feel called by God to move from the life in Community to the eremitic life, and have the permission of the Presiding Archbishop-Abbot.
The Presiding Archbishop-Abbot has granted Subdeacon Wayne Henri Silk, ER.O.SS.T. permission to do so on the eighth day of September in the year of our Lord two thousand eighteen, The Feast of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
As a Consecrated Eremitic Monk, Subdeacon "Hank" technically remains a member of the Order and thus under obedience to the Presiding Archbishop-Abbot.
Father Anthony Christopher Zacchino, ER.O.SS.T. Moves From the Life in Community to the Eremitic Life. In our times the anchoritic life as a distinct form of vocation is almost unheard of. However, an increasing number of Christian faithful feel again a vocation to live the eremitic life, whether in the remote country side or in a city in stricter separation from the world, without having passed through the coenobium first.
The Presiding Archbishop-Abbot has granted Father Anthony Christopher Zacchino, ER.O.SS.T. permission to do so on the fifteenth day of August in the year of our Lord two thousand eighteen, The Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
As a Consecrated Eremitic Monk, Father Anthony technically remains a member of the Order and thus under obedience to the Presiding Archbishop-Abbot.
Bishop-Elect Dr. Floyd Lee Covey, Sr., O.SS.T. Makes Final (Perpetual) Solemn Life Profession. By the grace of God, Bishop-Elect Dr. Floyd Lee Covey, Sr., O.SS.T. celebrated the Rite of Final (Perpetual) Solemn Life Profession on June 23, 2018, Saturday of the Eleventh Week in Ordinary Time, Blessed Virgin Mary. The Ceremony of the Solemn Profession of Vows reveals a profound, transcendent moment in the life of a Benedictine Monk in which he consecrates his whole life to God, making the vows of Obedience, Stability, and Conversion until death. In so doing, the Monk becomes a visible reflection of Christ, who was obedient to the Father until death, death on a cross. The beautiful liturgy also opens a window to the end of time, when each faithful Christian will appear before the throne of God and the Lamb, and be counted among the flock of those Jesus has chosen to live forever in eternal happiness. Congratulations!
Chosen and recognized by the Church as being called by God to the Sacred Office of Bishop!
O.SS.T. Consecrates New Bishop. The Most Rev. Dr. Robert F. Jangro, O.SS.T., Presiding Archbishop-Abbot of the Order of the Most Holy Mary Theotokos, with the assistance of the Most Rev. Dr. David D. Pascusa, O.SS.T., ordained the Most Rev. Dr. Russell Dean Lee, O.SS.T., to the Sacred Order of the Episcopate, in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Sunday, May 6, 2018 in Twentynine Palms, California. Additionally, on May 20th, the Presiding Archbishop-Abbot appointed Bishop Russ Dean of Ave Maria Theological Seminary and Claustral Prior of O.SS.T. As Dean of Ave Maria Theological Seminary, Bishop Russ is commissioned to develop academic policies and programs, coordinate student activities, and advise students and faculty on personal matters. As the Claustral Prior of the Order of the Most Holy Mary Theotokos, Bishop Russ is commissioned to hold the first place after the Abbot and assist in the government of the Order, functioning effectively as the Superior's second-in-charge (or Auxiliary Bishop). We rejoice in the continued growth of our faith-filled family. Congratulation Bishop +Russ!
The 2018 O.SS.T. Bishop's Retreat was held on Sunday, May 6th in Twentynine Palm's California. The gathering focused on finalizing the development of an action plan and way ahead for the O.SS.T. Community. The bishops met in a small group setting, discussing adaptive challenges, and proposed changes and reforms to our monastic order as an Institute of Consecrated Life. They spent time together in worship and in prayer, as well as having time for both individual and peer reflection. The highlight of the retreat was the consecration of +Russell Dean Lee as our Order's newest bishop and the opportunity to concelebrate a community Mass. All active bishops of O.SS.T. were in attendance. A report of the gathering will be published in the near future.
The "Benedictines of Mary, Old Catholic Marianists" have been dedicated to Our Lady from the very beginning of our Order. She is our life, our sweetness, and our hope.
She is bride, she is Mother, she is Queen, and none of these has passed from the present into mere memory.


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Q: Polymer data binding between 2 elements breaks after adding 1 value to Array when using localstorage I have 2 elements that both display an Array on screen using <template is="dom repeat">. They're different because 1 of them also uses a filter in the template. When I press a button to add another object to the Array (which is stored locally using <app-localstorage-document>, both elements will update. However, if I add another object to the Array, only the element will update where I'm calling the function. Here is the code of how I'm trying to achieve the wanted result:
Element 1:
<app-localstorage-document key="tables" data="{{tables}}"></app-localstorage-document>

<paper-button raised on-click="addTableClickHandler" id="add">add table</paper-button>
<template is="dom-repeat" items="{{tables}}" as="table">
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Table [[table.number]]: [[table.status]]
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Element 2:
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<template is="dom-repeat" items="{{tables}}" filter="isFree" as="table">
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Table [[table.number]]
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</template>

Both elements have an empty tables Array as a property:
tables: {
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}

When I refresh the page, both elements will display the correct values, but I need it to update immediately.
Both elements share the same parent element, but I don't do anything else relevant in the parent element.
I either need to make sure the data binding doesn't break after the first time I press the "add table" paper-button. Or I need to figure out a way to have the template in Element 2 update/refresh every time the addTableClickHandler function is called in Element 1. I did a bit of research to find out how to do this, but I didn't manage to fix it. Anyone any ideas?
EDIT: I've now added a delete button in element 2 to delete objects from the array and whenever I use that, the list in element 1 DOES update correctly. It's only the other way around that doesn't work. So when I add an object, the list in in element 2 will update just once and after that no more.

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Tue 18 August, 2020
Environment Agency
Rolton Kilbride
Sharon welcomes withdrawal of the planning application for an incineration plant at Hillthorn Park & announcement of new £60m regeneration scheme.
Sharon Hodgson, Member of Parliament for Washington & Sunderland West and Shadow Minister for Veterans has today welcomed the withdrawal by Rolton Kilbride, of the application for an incineration plant at Hillthorn Park and the announcement of new £60m regeneration scheme.
Welcomed by local businesses and educational leaders, this development is expected to create 1,600 new jobs and nine new commercial buildings that will be built by 2024.
Sharon said:
"The announcement that the planning application for an incineration plant at Hillthorn Park has been withdrawn is to be welcomed.
"This announcement follows years of campaigning and effort by the local community and campaign groups who delivered leaflets, gathered thousands of signatures and attended public meetings to ask pressing questions to figures of authority.
"I have been proud to campaign alongside, and represent in Parliament, passionate and knowledgeable groups like UKWIN, No Monster Incinerator in Washington and Washington and Wearside Against Gasification Group.
''I am pleased that in place of the incineration plant, a new regeneration scheme will be delivered, in which Legal & General have agreed a deal with Sunderland City Council to invest £60m. At a time when our region is suffering due to the economic shock from the Coronavirus pandemic, this investment is fantastic news.
''Welcomed by local businesses and educational leaders, this development is expected to create 1,600 new jobs and nine new commercial buildings that will be built by 2024. As with all major developments, I will monitor progress closely – and be sure to represent any concerns constituents may have as we move forward.''
Sharon welcomes withdrawal of the planning application for an incineration plant at Hillthorn Park
Tue 26 May, 2020
Due to Coronavirus, the dates regarding the appeal inquiry for a gasification plant to be built in Hillthorn Park have changed. The inquiry had been adjourned until June, but this has been extended.
Please see the dates below:
14 August 2020 - Deadline for completion of negotiations and confirmation to PINs of withdrawal or continuation of the appeal.
28 August 2020 - If required: Deadline for submission of:
Any updated evidence, although this must be exceptional;
Intended application for costs.
15 September 2020 - If required: Inquiry resumes.
15/18, 22-25 September 2020 - If required: Inquiry dates, to include an evening session.
Whilst MPs cannot get involved in the planning process, due to the great concern my constituents have raised about this gasification plant, I have represented the views of my constituents at every opportunity and I oppose this planning application.
You can see more of Sharon Hodgson work on Rolton Kilbride here >>
Update on gasification plant in Hillthorn Park: Coronavirus
Wed 11 March, 2020
Sharon has received a response from Luke Hall MP, Minister for Local Government and Homelessness at the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government following her request for the planning application for a gasification plant in Hillthorn Park to be recovered by the Secretary of State. This request has been rejected by the Minister.
You can read the letter by clicking on the image above
The planning appeal process for the gasification plant is currently adjourned until June.
Sharon continues to oppose the planning application.
You can read Sharon's request here >
You can read Sharon's work on this issue here >
Sharon receives a response regarding the recovery appeal request
Wed 26 February, 2020
On Wednesday 26th February, Sharon received a response from the Government to the petition she presented on 21st January about the gasification plant at Hillthorn Park.
You can read Sharon's speech and petition here >
You can read the Government response below:
Observations from Minister for Housing (Christopher Pincher):
The application referred to is now the subject of a planning appeal to the Secretary of State. The appeal inquiry opened on 18th February 2020 and it was attended by approximately 250 people. Before any evidence was heard, the main parties submitted an application to the Inspector to adjourn the inquiry to allow time for confidential commercial negotiations to take place the outcome of which was expected to be the withdrawal of the appeal. The request was endorsed by all objectors and by the MP who was present. The Inspector found the application represented exceptional circumstances and agreed to the request. The inquiry will resume on 18th June 2020 if the negotiations falter and the appeal is not withdrawn before then.
The Planning Inspectorate has received a request from Sharon Hodgson MP that the appeal be recovered by the Secretary of State on the grounds that it conflicts with national policies on important matters and raises significant questions regarding the interpretation of those policies for RDF-based gasification plants. The Secretary of State will consider and respond to this request as soon as possible.
Whilst the Government recognises the opposition to the planning application/appeal, it would not be appropriate to comment further on the eventual decision as to do so could prejudice the Inspector's, or Secretary of State's (if the appeal were to be recovered), consideration of the appeal prior to having heard and then considered all the evidence, both for and against the proposal.
Government responds to petition on Gasification Plant
Tue 18 February, 2020
The Planning Inspector ruled today (18th February 2020) at the Stadium of Light, that the appeal inquiry for a gasification plant to be built in Hillthorn Park has been adjourned until June.
Sharon Hodgson MP, who opposes the building of a gasification plant, said at the appeal inquiry:
"This is great news for my constituents who do not want this gasification plant built.
"Over the last three years, constituents have contacted me over concerns about public health, climate change, road congestion and the impact on the local landscape.
"That is why I was pleased to support the calls for an adjournment as this could lead to our ultimate goal: no gasification plant being built at Hillthorn Park. However, any deal that is made must be transparent and put in the public domain for scrutiny.
"This would not have happened today without the community spirit and determination from residents, campaigners and Councillors. The little people have stood up to the big guys and won. Thank you to everyone who has been involved in the campaign to oppose the building of a gasification plant in Washington."
You can read Sharon's work on this issue here > Sharon Hodgson MP - Rolton Kilbride, Washington planning appeal
Update on the gasification plant appeal inquiry
The appeal for a planning application for a gasification plant to be built at Hillthorn Park, Washington begins on Tuesday 18th February at 10am at the Stadium of Light, Montgomery Suite. It will continue for 8 days, with an evening meeting on Monday 24th February.
Sharon opposes the planning application and will be speaking at the appeal meeting on Tuesday 18th February to set out the concerns of her constituents.
We need to show the Planning Inspector that the people of Washington and Sunderland West do not want this gasification plant.
Crowds will therefore be gathering from 9:30am on Tuesday 18th February at the main car park (Red Car Park) at the Stadium of Light to rally against the planning application.
If you are able to come and show your opposition, please do so. The more people the better.
You can read Sharon's work on this issue here.
Gasification Plant Appeal and Protest
Thu 13 February, 2020
You can read Sharon's latest Echo column below or on the Sunderland Echo website
A planning application for a waste gasification plant to be built at Hillthorn Park in Washington has been ongoing for almost three years.
Local residents, campaigners, Cross-Party Councillors and I oppose the building of this plant and have been relentless in our campaigning against the planning application.
Last July, the application was rejected by local Councillors on the Planning and Highways Committee. But our journey did not stop there.
The applicants, Rolton Kilbride, have appealed that decision which will now be heard by the Planning Inspectorate in an 8-day inquiry starting next week, on Tuesday 18th February at the Stadium of Light.
Campaigners and I will be at the appeal hearing, to show our intense opposition to the planning application.
Last week, I held a public meeting in Washington to speak to residents about the application and listen to their concerns.
Over 100 people attended and shared their worries with me including public health issues, climate change challenges, the impact on our local landscape and house prices.
I have raised these issues several times in Parliament, most recently this week in a Westminster Hall debate and directly to the Prime Minister during Prime Minister's Question Time.
In my 15 years as an MP, no issue has galvanised so many people in opposition to an issue like this; approximately 10,800 people have signed petitions opposing the gasification plant and I have been contacted by hundreds of constituents about it.
What this campaign has shown me is that there is power in our people working together.
I do not know what the Planning Inspector will decide following the appeal hearing; they are not elected or political and as an MP I do not have any further influence over them than anyone else.
But what I do know is that when we all come together united in one mission, we can succeed in building a people-powered campaign that demonstrates the community spirit and determination of our local area.
We are united in opposing this proposed gasification plant and I will continue to do all that I can to represent my constituents on this issue.
I will be holding a public meeting throughout my constituency each month covering various issues. For more information, please visit my website: http://www.sharonhodgson.org/tags/public_meeting or contact my office: [email protected]
Sunderland Echo website
ECHO COLUMN: There's power in our people working together
On Wednesday 12th February, at Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs), Sharon Hodgson asked Prime Minister Boris Johnson a question about the proposed gasification plant to be built at Hillthorn Park.
You can watch the PMQ
On Twitter >
On Facebook >
On Parliament Live TV >
Sharon asks Prime Minister about gasification plant
On Tuesday 11th February, Sharon secured a Westminster Hall debate on Waste Incinerator Facilities and raised her concerns about the planning application for a gasification plant to be built in Hillthorn Park.
You can watch the debate here >
You can read the debate here >
You can read Sharon's speech below:
Mrs Sharon Hodgson (Washington and Sunderland West) (Lab)
I beg to move,
That this House has considered waste incineration facilities.
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir Roger. Here we are again, talking about what for some of us in the Chamber seems to be our favourite subject lately. We have had similar debates, including one held just last month—I spoke in it, and other hon. Members present attended—but I wanted a much longer debate, to give everyone who wants to speak the opportunity to do so. The issue is particularly relevant for me due to a planning application for a waste incineration gasification facility in my constituency at Hillthorn Park—the appeal process against it is due to start a week today.
Nick Thomas-Symonds (Torfaen) (Lab)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Mrs Hodgson
Yes—wow, that was quick!
Nick Thomas-Symonds
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way, and I congratulate her on securing this debate. She mentioned the appeal process. Constituents who contacted me about this debate are concerned that the voice of the local community is heard throughout the planning process. Does she agree that that is essential for large projects such as this?
I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. I will come on to the 10,800 of my constituents who have been in touch with me. They signed a petition, and they certainly want their voice to be heard.
I wholeheartedly oppose this planning application, and I will come to the reasons why shortly. Before I do, I thank hon. Members present who will be expressing their opposition—I assume it will all be opposition—to waste incineration facilities.
On Saturday, I held a public meeting about my local planning application, to give constituents an opportunity to express their opinions, as my hon. Friend the Member for Torfaen (Nick Thomas-Symonds) said. It was well attended, despite the short notice—I arranged it only the week before—and people came from across the community and the political spectrum, with Labour, Lib Dem and Green councillors and activists in attendance. As this debate shows, this is a cross-party issue, and I am pleased to see colleagues from all parts of the House.
As I said at the public meeting on Saturday, which was attended by more than 100 people, no one in that room was in favour of a gasification plant being built in our area. In my 15 years of being an MP, no other issue has galvanised so many people and brought them together against something in the way this issue has. It really is a community movement, with campaign groups such as No Monster Incinerator in Washington or Washington and Wearside Against Gasification leading the way to oppose the application by informing local residents and getting signatures on petitions. As I mentioned, 10,800 people have so far signed a petition in opposition, which I presented to Parliament last month.
Alun Cairns (Vale of Glamorgan) (Con)
I thank the hon. Lady for organising that meeting and the debate today. To pick up on what she said, does she recognise the expertise in highly technical matters that has been built up in communities by the groups she mentioned? They scrutinise legislation and regulations closely. In my constituency, the Docks Incinerator Action Group has drilled down into the detail and caused real problems to the proposers of a development.
That is an important point. I will come on to someone without whom I and most of the campaigners would not have been able to launch such a strong and informed appeal against this decision, making a world of difference.
I am so proud to represent and work with people who show such determination and community spirit. Like them, I oppose the planning application and will be speaking at the appeal process, which begins next week. I also thank the United Kingdom Without Incineration Network and Shlomo Dowen, in particular, for his work and support on this campaign. We could not have got this far without his expertise—a point the right hon. Member for Vale of Glamorgan (Alun Cairns) touched on.
As the shadow Minister for public health, it would be remiss of me not to point out the public health implications of gasification and incineration, which need to be taken into account. In the planning application in my constituency, we still do not know what technology will be used, even though the application has reached this stage. We know that the technology has never been used in the UK before, although we are told that it has been used in Japan, a country with very different safety standards and regulations from the UK.
The lack of information and transparency from the planning applicant does little to allay the fears of my constituents and me. On Saturday, constituents told me that young families were moving away from the area because of the fear of carcinogenics, diseases and birth defects. My constituents should not have to live in fear of being test subjects for something such as that.
Stephen Flynn (Aberdeen South) (SNP)
I thank the hon. Lady for securing this debate. In my constituency, an incinerator is due to be built near our local primary school and a number of local houses in Torry. Does she share my concerns about the potential public health impact on residents and the children at that school?
I absolutely do. In our previous debate, I spoke about how nine primary schools in my constituency, as well as many thousands of homes, are within a one-mile radius of this development. That is unacceptable, so I agree with the hon. Gentleman. Also, a technology that has never been used in the UK before is not welcome in Washington and Sunderland Wes—or, probably, in any of our constituencies.
Surely a technology that is expected to release millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide during the anticipated lifetime of the gasification facility should not be backed by the Government. Indeed, that is a direct contradiction of the Government's policies on climate change and waste processing. For every one tonne of plastic incinerated, approximately two tonnes of CO2 are released into the atmosphere, therefore contributing to climate change, whereas, perversely, one tonne of plastic in landfill releases zero CO2, so incineration cannot be and is not the solution we seek—it has to be more recycling.
Bambos Charalambous (Enfield, Southgate) (Lab)
My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech on an important issue. She just mentioned recycling. Does she agree that much more needs to be done to encourage more recycling so that we do not have, or reduce, the need to rely on incineration or landfill?
I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. More recycling has to be the solution; it will never be landfill, and certainly not incineration. How does the Minister expect to meet the Government's climate target of being carbon neutral by 2050 if planning applications for waste incineration continue to go ahead?
A recent study by Waste and Resources Action Programme Cymru found that 75% of commercial and industrial waste sent to incineration or landfill in Wales is recyclable. With recycling rates flatlining, will the Government consider introducing a tax on incineration, as promised in 2018, to address climate harm and encourage recycling rates? There is a precedent, as that is what the landfill tax aimed to do. Surely it is counterproductive to have a landfill tax to deter burying plastic, which causes no CO2, but not to have an incineration tax for incinerating plastic, which causes masses of CO2.
Another issue that neighbouring MPs and constituents might not yet have fully realised exists is that, due to the prevailing winds, the people to the east of our proposed site, in Sunderland and South Shields, may also find themselves harmed by the plant. I hope that this debate will help to alert a bigger audience across the wider area to the impending threat that is being discussed just a few miles from them.
Sunderland City Council is aiming to be carbon neutral by 2030—a target that will be totally scuppered if the planning application for Hillthorn Park is approved. The problem is the emissions from not just the plant but the 110 HGVs that will work around the clock to ship waste to it.
Elliot Colburn (Carshalton and Wallington) (Con)
The hon. Lady is making a powerful case. Does she agree that the issue is not just the incinerators but all the traffic that comes with them to transport the waste? That adds to pressure on local roads, which is concerning because of CO2 emissions.
Absolutely. Residents raised that point on Saturday—especially those living around the proposed site, who will be bothered by the congestion, extra fumes and mess from those heavy goods vehicles. The HGVs are supposed to be strapped and covered, but every day stuff flies off the lorries that go to the other waste recycling plants in my constituency.
In 2017 I attended the planning exhibition for this plant. I was told that living next to it would be 40 times safer than living next to a major road. I find that dubious, to say the least, but surely, in time, with greater numbers of greener vehicles, that would not be such a defence, even if it was true. We should be going forwards, not backwards, so that argument cannot be valid. Local roads in Washington are already congested, with the added problem of HGVs parking up alongside roads and drivers leaving their litter—perhaps I will have a full debate on that issue another day. That shows how problematic some nearby businesses already are to the people of Washington and Sunderland West—they are not all the best of neighbours.
A constituent told me on Saturday that he could not have his windows open or sit in the garden on some days because the noise and pollution from nearby roads was overbearing—that is without the extra 110 HGVs per day. Constituents have raised similar issues over the years about the smell and vermin from nearby waste processing sites such as Teal Farm. The last thing we need is another contributor to the problem.
My constituents and I know that the Environment Agency is a little toothless in tackling the problems that waste processing sites cause. We are rightly concerned that any issues arising from this gasification plant will bring just more of the same. If the planning application is approved, my constituents fear that their houses will suddenly become worthless; because of all the concerns I have mentioned, no one would want to buy a house next door to a plant such as this.
It is not known yet who will use the energy generated from the gasification plant. It was thought that Nissan, which is almost next door to the site, would use it—a pipe from the plant to Nissan was visible on the plans when I saw them—but, as far as I am aware, no such agreement has been made. Sunderland City Council is keen to work with Nissan to negotiate a safer and affordable means of generating energy, so there really is no need for this plant at all with regard to Nissan. I should make it clear that the Sunderland City Council planning team rejected the plant and is making a strong defence against it. We are all united against it, from politicians to the council, residents and everyone else.
The chair of the Teal Farm Residents Association wrote to me recently. He said:
"Over the years, the environment and landscape of this region has suffered greatly and we are just starting to move on from the effects of all of that not just environmentally but also the health and well-being of the community.
The region now boasts some old and new landmarks which we are justly proud of, from Penshaw monument to the Spire bridge.
We don't want an ecological eyesore to become the new 'landmark' which tells visitors they've reached Sunderland and we don't want the health and welfare of residents to be jeopardised by having this proposal inflicted upon them. This is a proposal which is unwanted and unnecessary."
It is exactly that: unwanted and unnecessary.
There are no benefits to be reaped from this planning application. There would not even be huge numbers of jobs created, as only 35 new full-time jobs are being offered. But the jobs pale in comparison to the public health concerns and climate change challenges. I hope I have made it clear, even in these brief comments, that the gasification plant at Hillthorn Park in Washington must be opposed, and I will continue to do just that.
Westminster Hall debate on Waste Incineration Facilities 11.02.20
Wed 29 January, 2020
During a Westminster Hall debate on Tuesday 28th January 2020, Sharon spoke about the planning application for a gasification plant in Hillthorn Park, Washington.
You can read the full debate here
You can watch Sharon's speech here
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hosie. I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff South and Penarth (Stephen Doughty), both for securing this important debate and for his excellent speech to set the scene.
In 2017, a planning application for a gasification plant to be built in Hillthorn Park in Washington was submitted to Sunderland City Council. Since then, approximately 10,800 people have signed petitions opposing the plant—I presented one of them to the House last week.
Many of my constituents have contacted me about the planning application, and it came up a lot on the doorstep during the general election, so I am left in no doubt about how my constituents feel. Never in my 15 years as an MP have I seen an issue galvanise my constituents in such a way. They are totally against it. I share their concerns and join them in opposing the application. Although the planning application was submitted almost three years ago, we still do not know what type of gasification technology will be used if it is approved.
I am told that some of the options have never been used in the UK or in Europe. The technology has, however, been used in Japan, which has very different safety measures from the UK. Does the Minister think it right or fair for our constituents to be used as guinea pigs to test a new technology? Would she be happy if this took place in her constituency? I am sure that her constituents would not. My constituents are concerned about the short-term and long-term health and safety of those living around the plant.
The proposed site is as close as 100 meters to homes, and there are nine schools within a one-mile radius. Those communities will bear the brunt of increased traffic and the associated pollution, and they will be most at risk should anything go wrong with the plant, bearing in mind that the technology is totally untested in this country. The plant would not even be a great future employer—only 35 full-time equivalent jobs would be created. Basically, I can see no positives at all in the building of the gasification plant in my constituency—only many negatives.
The planning application is in direct contradiction to the Government's own policies on climate change and waste processing, and the proposed plant could be expected to release millions of tonnes of CO2 —my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff South and Penarth mentioned that risk—within its anticipated lifetime. Undoubtedly, that will have a negative impact on our environment and on climate change. What assessment have the Government made of the impact that waste incineration could have on climate change?
I am happy to report that the planning application for this gasification plant was rejected in July last year by the local planning and highways committee. However, the application is up for appeal by the applicant, Rolton Kilbride, and the appeal will start on 18 February. I am sure that Members present will have no doubt that, based on my concerns—some of which I have raised today and many others I have not had time to mention—I plan to make strong representations to the planning inspectorate and to ask it to reject the application.
I have already written to the planning inspectorate and the national planning casework unit to request that, in the event that the application is approved, the Secretary of State recovers the appeal. If that request is approved, it will then give the Secretary of State the final say on the application, which I will lobby her strongly to reject. For now, it is a waiting game for me and my constituents, but I remain absolutely committed in my opposition to the plant. The health and the lives of my constituents should not be gambled with.
I will continue to work ceaselessly with constituents, campaigners and local councillors of every party—they all oppose the plans—to oppose the building of this plant. It must not be allowed to happen, and the united voices of all local people must be heard and heeded.
Read Sharon's work on the gasification plant at Hillthorn Park here >
Westminster Hall debate on Industrial and Commercial Waste Incineration 28.01.2020