This isn't so much a hotel review, I stayed here for my birthday and frankly I was enjoying it too much to be taking notes, I did however think it deserved its own blog post. As a few of you may know if you read my birthday post or watched my birthday vlog, Sean treated me to a night in one of their gorgeous suites.
We actually stayed in the Isaac Horton suite which is huge and has its own living room! I'd never stayed in a room this big before and I loved every second of it. The room featured 2 tv's, a mini bar, multiple cupboards and wardrobes, a gorgeous dressing table and one of the most beautiful bathrooms I've ever seen. It had everything you needed to feel comfortable including tea and coffee, biscuits, a bottle of spring water, and some lovely mini toiletries.
The view was also a bonus. I love to be high up and nothing makes me happier than looking out over a city. Although we weren't up in the clouds our room was on a corner with several windows so we got a great view of Birmingham.
While we were there Sean treated us to a bottle of champagne. It was bought up to us by room service in a bucket of ice which was replaced later in the night free of charge. As it was my birthday and all I wanted to do was relax and enjoy myself, I ran a bath using the lavender bubble bath shown above. It smelt amazing and I easily spent an hour lying in the bath sipping on the champagne Sean bought.
Unfortunately while we were there the elevator broke and we had to take the stairs. It was a bit of a walk up to the 4th floor but who can complain when the staircase looks so amazing. The whole hotel had a country estate feel but with the convenience of being in the city and you definitely feel like a VIP when you stay here.
I also thoroughly enjoyed breakfast. When you arrive to breakfast you are given the option to have a full English brought to you or you can help yourself to the continental breakfast buffet. Me and Sean both opted for continental as we can't resist a bit of cheese and ham and although we had to wait a while for the ham to be put out it was worth it. I made up a ham and cheese bagel and honestly it was the best bagel I've ever eaten in my whole life.
I really enjoyed staying at the Burlington hotel and I'd like to stay there again for another special occasion.
I'd love to read your hotel recommendations or reviews! Tweet me or leave a comment below with your favorite places to stay!


As I understand, Java doesn't close Oracle cursor after call my procedure, but I don't understand why?
Notice that a JDBC CallableStatement is prepared and stored in the associated ProcedureOutputsImpl object. When calling the getOutputParameterValue method, Hibernate will use the underlying CallableStatement to fetch the OUT parameter.
For this reason, the underlying JDBC CallableStatement remains open even after executing the stored procedure and fetching the OUT or REF_CURSOR parameters.
Now, by default, the CallableStatement is closed upon ending the currently running database transaction, either via calling commit or rollback.
Calling the release method on the associated ProcedureOutputs object in the finally block ensures that the JDBC CallableStatement is closed no matter the outcome of the stored procedure call.
According documetation: "When executeUpdate is called on a StoredProcedureQuery object, the provider will call execute on an unexecuted stored procedure query followed by getUpdateCount. The results of executeUpdate will be those of getUpdateCount"
But they didn't say anything conserning closing cursors but my method works well now.
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Tom is a saxophonist, flutist, arranger, composer and instructor in the New Jersey/Pennsylvania area. He started performing at the age of 14 on clarinet in the Trenton area. He is a graduate of the Navy School of Music and spent 3 years in the 19th Army Band.
He spent 8 years as house musician for Club Med performing at different locations worldwide, after which he spent 4 years as a freelance musician in Paris France. Since returning to the US, Tom has been working in the New Jersey / Pennsylvania area with many fine musicians such as Soul Purpose, Bill Lacy, Richie Cole, The Legends of Jazz, Darla and Rich Tarpinian and Soul Purpose just to name a few. Currently working with Big Soul Chicken.
Tom continues to teach at various locations such as Trenton Community Music School (private lessons and ensembles), 6 years as Jazz Band Director at The Hun School of Princeton and the Blue Mountain Day Camp.
"Through all of this I have been teaching at The Music Box in Hamilton NJ for the greatest guy of all, Frank Russo.
Guitar , Bass, Drums, Piano, Ukulele, Beginner Accordion, Beginner Banjo, Beginner Mandolin, Artist.
Brian also plays in several bands, ranging from reggae to indie, punk and many other styles. He has a repertoire of thousands of songs. He also does many theme songs and holiday tunes.
Graduated from college of New Jersey. Amy teaches guitar, piano and vocals. She is also a good classical guitar teacher, as that was her major in college. During the day she works teaching children at various schools in the area.
Joe is the local hired gun. He plays in several different bands. Also joe has done a lot of studio recording. He is always willing to lend a hand or two if you need help on your musical projects.
Mike is our main drum instructor. He has studied music for over 20 years. He has played in various technical metal bands as well as jazz ensembles and rock groups. Also has toured all over the U.S. as a professional drummer.
Reed is very knowledgeable in music theory and is an excellent guitarist and bassist.


We came across this beautiful and funtastic wedding a few months ago and wished we were invited. Lining the banks of the Murray River and sitting right on the NSW/VIC border, 'The Packing Shed' at Perricoota Station was the location for this gorgeous, DIY-filled celebration.
If you take one look at the credits, you'll see how much love and help this couple had from all their family and friends. Even the celebrant was a bridesmaid's father.
Chris and I met through mutual friends nine years before we married, going out for a friends birthday. These same friends, Laura and Lewis, both stood by our sides as bridesmaid and groomsman on our wedding day.
The proposal… Chris planned a night in the city for the two of us. He (unknown to me) packed an overnight bag for me, took me to dinner and then surprised me with a beautiful room, chocolates, champagne and flowers. He proposed by a window overlooking the city with the most beautiful and perfect engagement ring I could have ever imagined.
We both love the Murray River and have been camping and wake-boarding there for years. It felt very fitting and very 'us' to celebrate our wedding by the river. We wanted a more relaxed wedding day with a country/rustic feel.
I tried to do as much as I possibly could for the wedding day, which would not have been possible without my AMAZING bridesmaids and mum! This included sourcing all the frames from second hand shops and painting them. Formatting and printing all the menus and signs used around the ceremony and reception, the tags on the cutlery, lavender cones and place cards. All the crocheted lace was my grandmother's, some of which was made by my great grandmother. It was a great feeling seeing all our creations and efforts we put into hand-making different things in place on the day.
Not a funny story, but the night before our wedding our amazing bridal party surprised us with a videographer for our wedding day, we couldn't have been more happy or thankful!
Marriage is a commitment to the love you have for one another and the promise to continue loving that special person, always.
Can I say EVERYTHING!! It all just ran incredibly smoothly and was the most amazing day.
Walking outside and seeing Chris standing at the front of the aisle and all the people we love most was a great (and nerve-racking) moment.
Try and stay relaxed, in the end everything will fall into place. As long as you are standing up there, marrying the person that you love, surrounded by those that you care about the most!
Want to be wedspired by more Real Weddings?
Check out Fiona and Peter's DIY celebration at Perth City Farm (featuring 1,000+ paper cranes), or Kristina and Aidan's incredible Kangaroo Valley shed shindig.
This is incredible!!! LOVE that the grooms men all came in on motorbikes and the styling is just gorgeous!
The shoe messages are an awesome idea to!!


I got this new book in the mail today. It is terrific. I can't believe it was only one dollar. Go figure. It's called "Name Tagging" by Martha Cooper, published in 2010.
Anyway the pictures are really great and there's a little bit of descriptive text to go with them, not too much, just enough. But forget the text – this book is about pictures of tags on stickers, plain and simple. My favorite is the section on CLAW. She's brilliant.
Anyway, if you love to study, collect or just gawk at tags on stickers, this little book is a gem.


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'Hammerschlager' – the Local Rules
Posted on March 11, 2017 by Lost Art Press
Tonight we're playing a variant of the Hammerschlager game made popular by Mike Siemsen at Woodworking in America. We're playing at Rhinegeist brewing. Schlaging starts at 8 p.m. and ends at 10:30 p.m. The prize: The last of our "With Hammer in Hand" letterpress posters.
Hammerschlager is a game of skill played with a stump, a cross-peen hammer and nails. Two opponents take turns attempting to sink a nail using the peen side of hammer. The first one to sink the head flush or below the surface of the stump wins.
Here are the local rules for the game tonight.
If you break or abuse any of the equipment (especially the hammers), you're done – disqualified.
You may face a particular opponent only once. Period. In other words, you cannot play against a person more than once. Once only you shall face a particular opponent. Don't cheat.
You start the stroke with the peen of the hammer resting on the stump.
If the nail is knocked crooked, your opponent may straighten the nail to vertical before taking his or her turn.
The loser of the round marks the winner's forearm with a slash using a marker (provided). The person with the most marks at 10:30 p.m. wins the poster.
The winner of the round is allowed to face the next opponent immediately. The loser has to return to the back of the line and find another opponent.
All disagreements are settled by the judge (me). Decisions are final. It's just a stupid game. Don't make me hate you.
This is not a drinking game. You may drink while you play if you like, but drinking is not required, requested, suggested or smiled upon. It's just a dumb game.
See you tonight.
9 thoughts on "'Hammerschlager' – the Local Rules"
belloeinvincibile says:
In Austria we play it with a bricklayers hammer and you have to hit the nail with the peen.
Every competitor has it's own nail, the hammer goes round.
And yes you drink a Schnaps after every hit as long as your nail is not flush with the stump.
Jeff Hanna says:
For other wood related games, do a search on the Czech game "woodkopf" where two people awkwardly try to balance a board on their head while knocking their opponents' off.
mrogen says:
All I can say is I wish I could be there! But all I can say is you are al lucky I'm not not there. Oh this isn't a drinking game? Never mind. Using a hammer while, battling ALS could result in several trips to the hospital from unsuspecting bystanders. That might put a downer on the evening!
Pleas have a grea, great time. And if you're still sober, hoist a couple for me.
Wish I was there!
foodpump says:
Can we grease the nailheads with earwax?
Tom Moore says:
Let's hear it for American men – often called the "8th graders" of humanity. Wear the badge proudly in Kentucky!
fairwoodworking says:
Aw crap! I've been practicing for the wrong game!
Larry (@Lorenzojose) says:
Any word on when the improved schlagerhammer will be in the crucible store?
apalmer180 says:
Our version is just called 'Stump' and you have to flip the hammer once in the air before swinging. And it's a drinking game. Legendarily called 'The flat out dumbest man game I've ever heard of, my ever loving God, how did you survive to adulthood?' by my wife loudly in a backyard full of man playing Stump.
Trevor Walsh says:
Does anyone know what's up with the guys at "Hammer-Schlagen"? If Chris owned the company I'd say it was a great gag, but they seem like some real uptight lawyers. They even sell franchises for hammering nails into a log! http://www.hammerschlagen.com/about_us/

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This article describes how to turn on debug logging of the Active Directory Users and Computers snap-in to troubleshoot an issue.
Obtain and install the checked (debug) build of the Dsadmin.dll file.
Create a file in the %systemroot%\System32 folder that is named Dsadmin.ini.
Start the Active Directory Users and Computers snap-in MMC console under a debugger to view the debug output.


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Les Suédois, Suiones, Sueones, Sweonas, Sve(t)hans, Suet(h)ans, Svedans, Suedans, Svíar, Svear étaient un ancien peuple germanique établi en Scandinavie. Leur pays évolua vers la nation moderne de Suède au fur et à mesure de la mouvance grandissante de leurs rois.

Selon les premières sources scandinaves, telles que les sagas royales, et plus particulièrement l'Heimskringla, les Suiones étaient un peuple puissant dont les rois se prétendaient être des descendants du dieu Freyr. Durant l' Âge des Vikings ils constituèrent la base de ceux que l'on nommait les Varègues, les Vikings qui naviguèrent vers l'est (voir Rus).

Leur position avantageuse à l'intérieur du royaume de Suède fut abolie au milieu du . Jusque-là, les Suiones avait eu un statut de semi-aristocratie qui les obligeait uniquement à fournir au roi de Suède des navires, des guerriers et leur provisions en cas de guerre, alors que les autres nations à l'intérieur du royaume telles que les Geats et les Guts étaient tributaires, et devaient payer régulièrement des taxes.

L'attribution du nom
Au fur et à mesure que les dominions des rois suédois se développaient, le nom de la tribu a pu être appliqué plus généralement au Moyen Âge pour inclure également les Goths de Scandinavie. En 1384 le Royaume de Suède est constitué de 4 provinces historiques, le Svealand, n'incluant cette fois-ci plus les Goths qui sont dans la province du Götaland.

Dans les langues scandinaves modernes, l'adjectif svensk et son pluriel svenskar/svensker ont remplacé le nom svear et sont, aujourd'hui, utilisé pour désigner tous les citoyens de Suède. La distinction entre les Suédois de l'époque (svear) et les Suédois actuels (svenskar) semble avoir été en vigueur au début du  quand la Nordisk familjebok remarqua que svenskar avait remplacé svear pour désigner le peuple suédois. Bien que cette distinction soit d'usage en norvégien, danois et suédois, ce n'est pas le cas en islandais qui utilise toujours le mot Svíar.

Étymologie
La forme Suiones apparaît dans La Germanie  de l'auteur romain Tacite. Une forme similaire, *Sweon(as), se trouve en vieil anglais et dans l'œuvre d'Adam de Brême, à propos des archevêques de Hambourg-Brême qui sont dénommés Sueones.

Selon une théorie (Schagerström 1931), le nom est dérivé du proto-germanique *saiwi- signifiant « lac » ou « mer » induit de *siwíoniz et par conséquent de *swi-oniz signifiant le « peuple de la mer ». Cependant, cette source n'est pas connue pour avoir produit d'autre mots dérivés, et est considérée comme peu probable.

La plupart des spécialistes s'accordent à dire que Suiones et les formes germaniques attestées du nom dérivent de la même racine pronominale réflexe proto-indo-européenne, *s(w)e, que le latin suus. Le mot doit avoir signifié « ses propres (hommes de la tribu) ». Dans les langues scandinaves modernes, la même racine apparaît dans des mots tels que svåger (beau-frère) et svägerska (belle-sœur). La même racine et signification originale se trouve dans l'ethnonyme de la tribu germanique des Suebi, conservé jusqu'à ce jour sous le nom de Schwaben (Souabe).

Les détails du développement phonétique varient entre différentes hypothèses: Noréen (1920) a proposé que Suiones soit le rendu latin du proto-germanique *Swihoniz, dérivé de la racine indo-européenne *swih- "la sienne".
La forme *Swihoniz serait devenue Swaíhans dans le gothique de Wulfila, qui plus tard aurait donné Suehans que Jordanès mentionna pour désigner les Suédois dans l´Histoire des Goths. D'après Erik Gustaf Geijer, Sue(t)hans était le nom qui désignait les Suédois en vieux-gotique. Par la suite, la forme du proto-norrois aurait été *Swehaniz qui suivant les changements de tonalités en vieux norrois résulta en vieux norrois occidental Svíar et en vieux norrois oriental Swear. Actuellement, cependant, la racine de "sien" est reconstruite en tant que *s(w)e plutôt que *swih, et c'est la racine identifiée pour Suiones, par ex. dans lIndogermanisches etymologisches Wörterbuch de 1959 de Julius Pokorny et dans The Nordic languages: an international handbook of the history of the North Germanic languages édité par Oskar Bandle en 2002. *Swe est aussi la forme citée par V. Friesen (1915), qui considère la forme Sviones comme étant à l'origine un adjectif proto-germanique *Sweoniz, signifiant "parenté". Alors la forme gothique aurait été *Swians et le h dans Suehans une épenthèse. La forme proto-norse aurait alors aussi été *Sweoniz, ce qui aurait également abouti aux formes historiquement attestées.

Les spécialistes se rejoignent sur le fait que les Suiones est le même nom que le vieux norrois svíar et que l'anglo-saxon Sweon(as). Même si le n a disparu dans le nom au pluriel svear/svíar, il est encore préservé dans le vieil adjectif qui est devenu le nom désignant les Suédois modernes: svensk.

Le nom devint une partie composée, qui en vieux norrois occidental était Svíþjóð, (le peuple Suione), en vieux norrois oriental Sweþiuð et en anglo-saxon Sweoðeod. Ce mot apparaît sur les pierres runiques en locatif i suiþiuþu (Pierre runique Sö Fv1948;289, Aspa Löt, Södermanland), a suiþiuþu (Pierre runique DR 344, Simris, Scanie) et o suoþiauþu (Pierre runique DR 216, Tirsted, Lolland). Les sources danoises  du , Scriptores rerum danicarum mentionnent un lieu appelé litlæ swethiuthæ, qui est probablement l'île Sverige (Suède) près de Stockholm. La plus vieille mention, cependant, elle apparaît sous le nom de Suetidi dans Getica au .

La seule nation germanique ayant une appellation similaire était les Goths qui du nom  *Gutans (cf. Suehans) inventèrent la forme gut-þiuda.

Le nom Swethiuth et ses différentes formes ont donné naissance aux différents noms latins pour la Suède, Suethia, Suetia et Suecia.

Un deuxième composé était Svíariki, ou Sweorice en anglo-saxon, qui signifie « le royaume des Suiones ». Ceci est toujours le nom formel pour les Suédois dans leur langue actuelle, Svea rike et l'origine de son nom courant Sverige avec le "k" dans la vieille forme "Sverike" changé en un "g" .

 Localisation

Originellement établi à l'est du Svealand, ainsi que dans les traditionnelles Folklandes de Attundaland, Tiundaland, Fjärdhundraland et Roslagen situées dans les environs des villes actuelles d'Uppsala et de Stockholm et la province moderne de Gästrikland. Leur territoire inclut aussi très rapidement les provinces de Västmanland, Södermanland et Närke dans le bassin du Mälaren qui formait une baie avec une multitude d'îles. Cette région est toujours l'une des plus fertiles et des plus densément peuplées de Scandinavie.

Leurs territoires étaient appelés 'Svealand (d'Ohthere à Hålogaland: Swéoland), Suithiod (Beowulf: Sweoðeod), Svíaveldi ou Svearike (Beowulf: Swéorice), et la période non précisée où ils subjuguèrent les Geats dans le Götaland, entre le  et le  est de nos jours souvent vue comme la naissance du Royaume de Suède bien que le royaume suédois se réfère à eux-mêmes, Sverige en Suédois, provenant de Svea rike - qui signifie le royaume des Suiones. Le mot anglais Sweden est dérivé d'un vieux nom pour les Suédois et le pays des Suiones : Sweoðeod (le peuple des Suiones).

L'Ásatrú et le centre du culte d'Aesir à Gamla Uppsala était le centre religieux des Suédois et c'était également le lieu où le roi officiait en tant que prêtre lors des sacrifices (blóts). Uppsala était aussi le centre d'Uppsala öd, le réseau des domaines royaux qui financèrent le roi suédois et sa cour jusqu'au .

Quelques conflits sur les domaines originels des Suiones se passèrent réellement à Uppsala, le cœur du Uppland, où le terme utilisé communément pour tous' les peuples à l'intérieur du Svealand, de la même manière que pour les différentes provinces de l'ancienne Norvège se référèrent collectivement au Nortmanni.

 Mentions historiques
Tacite a écrit en 98 après J.C. dans La Germanie 44, 45 que les Suiones étaient une tribu puissante (distinguée non seulement pour leurs armes et leurs hommes, mais pour leurs flottes puissantes) avec des navires qui avaient une proue aux deux extrémités). Il mentionne en outre que les Suiones étaient très impressionnés par la richesse et que celle du roi était donc absolue. De plus, les Suiones ne portaient normalement pas d'armes et que les armes étaient gardées par un esclave.

Mentionnés par Jordanès au , les Suehans possédaient d'excellents chevaux et vendaient aux Romains des peaux de martres, très recherchées dans le monde méditerranéen pour la belle couleur noire de leurs fourrures.

Là demeurent aussi les Sue(t)hans'', qui se servent, comme les Thuringiens, d'excellents chevaux. Ce sont eux qui, par le moyen du commerce, font passer aux Romains, à travers des nations innombrables, les peaux de martres dont ceux-ci font usage. La belle couleur noire de leurs fourrures les a rendus fameux. Mais ils vivent pauvrement, tandis qu'ils sont vêtus avec la plus grande richesse.

Notes et références

Peuple germanique
Histoire de la Scandinavie médiévale
Histoire de la Suède
Peuple de la Rome antique
Peuple germanique du haut Moyen Âge

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Ferry Across the Solent… But At What Cost to Bury?
I should preface this post by saying it wasn't easy to write but moreover, I have nothing but the utmost respect towards Will Ferry and his representatives and wish him every success in his future career. I'll certainly be keeping a close eye on how he fares.
So another Bury U18 player has departed for a club higher up the food chain. As the official website proudly states:
"Will Ferry has become the sixth player to progress, in the last four years, from the academy to join clubs further up the leagues such as Matt Foulds (Everton), John Ruddy (Wolves), Liam Williams (Sheffield Wednesday), Jacob Bedeau (Aston Villa) and Emeka Obi (Liverpool)."
Now, on the surface, there is nothing at all wrong with the statement. It is factually correct and is a glowing testament to the work done by the likes of Ryan Kidd, Mark Litherland and the rest of the academy staff in the various age groups applicable to when the above joined the ranks. The fruits of their labours are starting to be 'picked' more and more often in the four-year period since the academy side of the club was completely overhauled and with that comes a glowing reputation but also increased scrutiny in the form of scouts from the elite clubs in the Premier League.
My main problem is it still feels as though all of the above were simply moved on a little too willingly (although the circumstances in Liam Williams' case are a bit different from the other five). Only Jacob Bedeau can lay claim to having more than one senior start to his name and overall, he equipped himself very well in a side that was badly listing in December and January towards rock bottom in the third tier.
Of course, I am not saying that it is the players' fault that their time at Bury has been cut short; far from it. As a Bury supporter, I have grown accustomed in the past few seasons to players in the academy being talked up in public and it's difficult to sometimes shake the feeling that they are also being touted as mere 'commodities' for the club to make a quick buck on rather than employ a more sustainable, long-term approach.
I risk the ire of some of my readership by once more looking east and casting envious glances at Rochdale's policy. Callum Camps has recently signed a contract extension. Now 21, he has over 100 senior appearances to his name since he graduated from the academy. A hot property who I have previously praised on these very pages, he is the embodiment of the current philosophical differences between the boards of the neighbouring clubs. Dale have continuously lived within their means and have been organically growing their infrastructure and look all set to have another serious tilt at the play-offs without breaking the bank to achieve their goal.
They don't need to sell players like Camps early on in their fledgling careers when their development (be it psychological, physiological or sporting) is at its most crucial juncture. Camps is ambitious and will almost certainly leave Spotland in the next couple of years but it will be on their terms and when the time is right. This will ensure that they maximise the return of their investment in him and the residual benefit to the club will be in a similar vein.
Now more than ever before, it is absolutely vital that Bury's board changes tack and allow Lee Clark the chance to keep bringing players like Will Ferry, Callum Hulme, Joe Adams and Femi Seriki through to the first team because not only will their potential transfer values increase but it will also go a long way to safeguarding the business and is normally a 'cheaper' way of building or augmenting a squad than arranging loan deals with other sides and/or signing well-known players who are unlikely to be tempted to Carrington just for the facilities the complex provides. Had the manager been able to keep Ferry (who was more than probably in his first team plans), it might not have necessitated the acquisition of Chris Humphrey. That isn't a slight on the latter but more of an indictment on the short-termist mentality currently at the heart of the football club as evidenced by the ongoing (and sometimes public) financial predicament.
I am not privy to the finer detail of Ferry's transfer to Southampton. By going there, he has to my mind joined the best academy in England, both in terms of its output and standing in the modern game. I simply question the 'need' to sell now. Doubtlessly, the negotiations weren't straightforward, even though the Saints will have done extensive due diligence on Ferry and watched him in matches easily reaching double figures to ensure as far as possible that he would add something they lacked in their U18s for 2017/2018 and perhaps even in their first team when the moment is right.
There can be no higher praise for him and his family that the Hampshire outfit sought him out and I have every confidence that he will be a success as he can fulfill a number of attacking roles, is comfortable with both feet and best of all is humble and eager to learn. He hasn't 'made it' just yet and he will be keenly aware of that. He is only 16 and to that end, recently completed his GCSEs. Thanks to the likes of EPPP and how things are at Bury, the discussions will have crisscrossed his education and this is unlikely to go away anytime soon; the high-profile transfer saga involving Ethan Ampadu at Exeter is evidence of that.
It is unfortunate that yet again, supporters have been robbed of seeing 'one of their own' grace the pitch at Gigg Lane for a period of time longer than the blink of an eye. Whilst this latest deal is another 'success', it also highlights the need to progress onto the next stage of the development of young players at the club. Whilst not wholly culpable, the very existence of Bury F.C. is in the hands of Stewart Day and the rest of the directors and I urge them to do their utmost to preserve it for generations to come.
Filed under: EPPP, leagueone, opinions, transfers
Bury, Introduction	 01/02/2017 10/02/2017
An introduction to this blog…
I've lived away from making a very short trip to Bury FC's Gigg Lane for almost a decade now. At times, this has meant going seasons without taking in a home match to the point where some away grounds in recent times like the Kassam Stadium and Kenilworth Road have felt much more familiar. However, with the ever-increasing presence on the internet and social media of even clubs like Bury, having access to at least extended highlights of matches is now easier than ever. There has been a particular drive from the U18s side of the club to raise awareness of their successes and assets if you take that stance.
I have found myself more and more interested in tactics, shapes in and out of possession, individual players' strengths, weaknesses and tendencies in recent years and thought that this blog would be a good way to get that across to a wider audience than just on an unofficial supporters' forum. However, I also recognise that a blog on just why Zeli Ismail's ability to dribble with his left foot whilst he is predominately right footed in other situations is unlikely to hold the interest of many people, so I will also sometimes analyse other matches I get to watch from Arsenal to Biggleswade United and also trends and topics of interest in the world of a football as a whole, such as whether the current offside rule is sufficient, the controversies over the Elite Player Performance Plan in English football and the expanded World Cup from 2026.
I hope you'll enjoy at least some of the content on offer.
Filed under: Arsenal, EPPP, rules, worldcup


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WASHINGTON (AP) — Shutdown pressure on President Donald Trump mounted Wednesday as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called on him to delay his Jan. 29 State of the Union address and his own economists acknowledged the prolonged standoff was having a greater economic drag than previously thought.
"I am running out of ideas," he said.
"The Democrats are not going to negotiate with the government shut down," he said. "People in the White House don't like hearing that. I don't know what to tell them other than what I actually think."


MARIO BALOTELLI is not even on the bench for Liverpool's Champions League tie with Basel tonight, with Rickie Lambert keeping his place up front.
Lambert has scored two goals from his last five games for the Reds, including Liverpool's first in their 2-2 draw at Ludogorets last month.
Manager Brendan Rodgers makes four changes to the XI that drew 0-0 with Sunderland last weekend, Steven Gerrard coming back into the midfield.
Defensive duo Jose Enrique and Dejan Lovren come in for Kolo Toure and Alberto Moreno, while Joe Allen replaces the benched Philippe Coutinho.
Liverpool: Mignolet, Johnson, Enrique, Lovren, Skrtel, Lucas, Allen, Henderson, Gerrard, Sterling, Lambert.
Subs: Jones, Sakho, Moreno, Can, Lallana, Coutinho, Markovic.
Basel: Vaclik, Xhaka, Schär, Suchy, Safari, Elneny, Frei, Zuffi, González, Streller, Gashi.
Subs: Vailati, Degen, Samuel, Delgado, Diaz, Hamoudi, Embolo.


Good to know because I have been waiting for your opinion you just can not trust Bill Self, Billy Gillespie, and Fred Hoiberg on what a good basketball coach looks like.
Yes, because a guy not having great success as a head coach means he can't have value as an assistant.
1) The KearneyMan doth protest too much, methinks.
2) Are you really a junior high kid? Because you sound like and your logic seems like it comes from someone about 13. Because three exclamation points is definitely something a 13 year old would do.
2) Are you really a junior high kid? Because you sound like and your logic seems like it comes from someone about 13.
Upvote for the Shakespeare reference.
This has to be an act by an Islander to make Kearney look ridiculous.
Was thinking Hasting College insider just to keep it basketball related!
Pretty sure it's Kearney, Missouri.
Pretty sure it's Crayton, in a thinly-veiled disguise.
Now all we need is a Redhac from the women's board.
Good to see Doc back in red again.
LOL. I remember attending a practice and dang, I wish I could remember the player, but Doc just lit him up after he jacked up a three. He screamed something akin to "the way you play defense, you have not earned the right to take that kind of shot"
I didn't, I worked there and it is mty hometown team.
That's right we discussed this.
Doc has had some modicum of success as a Head Coach for a 16 year career at the helm. He's proven to be a brilliant tactician.
He will do well on Hoiberg's staff; the last time Doc & Fred were together in Ames, their team went 28-8. That's pretty salty.


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Melchior de Croze, né le  à Pertuis et mort le  à Marseille, est un ecclésiastique français.

Biographie
L'un des meilleurs élèves de l'Oratoire de Marseille, animé d'une grande piété, Croze fut remarqué par ses regards de ses maitres qui l'admirent dans leur congrégation et le formèrent à l'éloquence de la chaire. Mais les espérances et les leçons des Oratoriens échouèrent devant la délicatesse de la santé du jeune Croze qui dut, après des études fatigantes, renoncer à entrer dans la carrière de la prédication, et il ne tarda pas à demander lui-même de sortir de la congrégation de l'Oratoire alors qu'il n'avait pas encore reçu les ordres.

Membre de la hiérarchie sacrée, de Croze prit une seconde fois la résolution de s'éloigner du monde. L'amour de la vie monastique le dirigea vers l'abbaye de Saint-Victor où il fit profession en 1713.

L'Académie de Marseille, dont le projet de fondation avait souri à l'abbé de Croze, trouva en lui une disposition scrupuleuse à remplir les obligations offertes à son zèle : il fut un des Académiciens de la fondation qui, par leurs discours autant que par leur assiduité, procurèrent le mieux la gloire à ce corps. Il mourut cependant sans avoir publié aucun des panégyriques qu'il avait prêchés et des discours communiqués dans plusieurs assemblées.

Ouvrages lus aux séances
 Discours sur le danger des richesses, 1726 ;
 Discours sur la profession religieuse, 1727 ;
 Sur l'unanimité et le zèle qui doivent régner dans l'Académie, 1727 ;
 Discours sur l'utilité de l'émulation dans les Académies, 1728 ;
 Réflexions en forme de lettres sur le style de la chaire, 1728 ;
 Discours « c'est la nature ou l'art qui contribue le plus à la beauté des ouvrages d'esprit, 1729 ;
 Discours lequel des deux contribue le plus à la perfection des ouvrages d'esprit, ou la nature ou l'éducation, 1731 ;
 Sur la politesse, 1734 ;
 Sur l'utilité des assemblées publiques des Académies, 1740 ;
 Sur l'union qui doit régner dans les Sociétés littéraires, 1741.

Sources
 Louis Toussaint Dassy, L'Académie de Marseille : ses origines, ses publications, ses archives, ses membres, , Marseille, Barlatier-Feissat, 1877, .
Émile Perrier, Les bibliophiles et les collectionneurs provençaux anciens et modernes : arrondissement de Marseille, Barthelet et Cie, 1897

Oratorien français
Membre de l'Académie de Marseille
Personnalité provençale du XVIIIe siècle
Naissance à Pertuis (Vaucluse)
Naissance en février 1682
Décès en décembre 1743
Décès à Marseille
Décès à 61 ans


Yeh Hai Mohabbatein 30th June 2016 Thursday Episode: Adi wished Raman the father's day and hugged both Raman and Ishita. He asked Romi to wish his dad too. He said how could he as he forgot the card? Adi just said that he did not need nay card to wish his own dad.
He smiled at him and wished Mr. Bhalla the father's day. He then praised him and apologized him for all the mistakes he made in his life in which his father supported him and got out of them. He said that he was his real life hero. Mr. Bhalla hugged him. Adi asked everyone to have lunch and asked them to tell as how it was.
Raman praised the work they did in making lunch and said it was really nice. Sharavan and Ruhi said that they had booked the table to make celebration more fun. Ruhi said she had two vouchers for Raman. Ruhi thought that she had another surprise for them and that would shock them.
Ishita asked Raman to wear blue shirt. He said that he did not feel like going but he was helpless. Ishita said the same but said that she would do anything for Ruhi. Shagun felt sad and started crying. Adi came to her and asked to spend time with him. She denied and said to him to go out with his friends. He insisted her to play the game. He then told her that Raman and Ishita were made for each other and she had to accept that. She asked him to leave and said that he too was influenced by her.
Raman and Ishita reached the hotel and saw many couples. Manager came and said that they had to wait till table get vacant. Raman said he did not have time to waste. They sat on a table and waited for Ruhi. Ruhi came there with judge but judge saw Raman and Ishita happily talking, so she left. Ishita then thanked Ruhi for the food arrangement but Ruhi asked her to stop her drama. Ishita felt sad on hearing that.
Amma asked Shagun to not go to see Raman and Ishita as it would make her feel sad only. She told her Ishita came just for Ruhi and she had nothing in her heart for Raman.
Ishita told Raman that she met the judge. Two goons came there and asked them if they were Mr and Mrs. Aggarwal. They agreed but goons sat there only and asked them not to move as they would shoot them. Raman and Ishita were shocked.
Goons asked for money and said they were gamblers. Ishita started arguing with Raman as when he started that business but they saw Ruhi and judge and got polite and decent. The goons asked them to go with them, hence they left politely least judge saw them arguing.
Also check out last episode of Yeh Hai Mohabbatein.
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@Kafei: Amorphous
@Kafei: Amorphous abstraction, explained by amorphous abstraction, explained by amorphous abstraction, does not a theory make. Inane assertion after inane assertion only leads to inane conclusion.
I'm speaking about an
I'm definitely not speaking about an amorphous abstraction or an inane assertion, what I'm speaking of has been very concretely defined. Spinoza wrote books on it, Ken Wilber has written extensively on it, and there's been many authors of the Primordial Tradition that have written upon this understanding of the Divine, and interpretation of the Trinity. What I've given you is the mystic's interpretation of The Holy Trinity, and its relationship to philosophical Absolute and man/woman. You see, the mystic claims to directly experience the Absolute, and it's through this interchange which is mediated by the Holy Spirit (mystical experience), that this insight is imparted to the mystic. If you'd like a better description, I recommend some of these links. Darth Dawkins A.K.A. "EF" also speaks on these topics, but I attempted to steel man him one time on a live feed, and so I offer a description there. If you're interested, here's the link.
Looks like more flim-flam.
Kafei: LOL Self reported
Kafei: LOL Self reported studies? Ha ha ha .... Spiritual or Drug Induced, which was the actual cause? Please explain the difference. "concretely defined?" I have never heard of anything spiritual "concretely defined."
(From the Video you posted) "It's hard to do a double bind study." "Look at the effects of Psilocybin." Spinoza? " The soul as a "spiritual automaton." Can you quote the "Concrete Definition."
THINGS YOU THINK MAKE SENSE:
"Directly experience the absolute."
"Divine"
"Trinity"
"Absolute man/woman"
"mystic"
"Interchange mediated by the holy spirit."
THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT EVEN APPROACHES "CONCRETE."
LOOKING AT THE LINK: link. ???? What a coward who attacks and then runs and hides behind their imaginary friend god! ?????
And then a presuppositionalist defining God. The commentator does not understand the word "Prove." "straw man" verificationism. Laws of nature are prescriptive not descriptive. They are not things. Likewise the number two is a mental construct. One inane assertion after another from the presuppositionalist. Not really sure what you are on about here. Nothing at all concrete. Presuppositionalists simply make claims without facts or evidence supporting those claims.
Yeah, having a debate with a
Yeah, having a debate with a presuppositionalist makes about as much sense as having a debate with a solipsist.
I'm going to have to disagree
@Cognostic I'm going to have to disagree. The so-called "mystical state of consciousness" is quite well established in the scientific literature. This has absolutely nothing to do with presuppositionalism. The fact that you'd assume so only reveals your nescience relative to these topics, no offense to you, but that's definitely not what I'm referring to. I'm more accurately referring to the mystical-type experiences that yes, do occur on a spectrum, but nevertheless are very distinctive in that they've recognized archetypal/visionary states which occur just prior or after what they deem as the "complete" mystical experience. By "complete," these professionals simply full-spectrum or highest mystical vision which is one and the same for all volunteers, and described by mystics throughout the ages.
Mysticism, in other words, is perceived by these researchers as being based on a natural phenomenon in consciousness. Something that is biologically normal, but that would not happen else someone engaged a discipline like meditation or asceticism or the use of high-dose psychedelics, and even more rare than that do these experiences happen spontaneously or in instances of a stroke as in the case of Jill Bolte Taylor or even in devices aimed to induce this experience i.e. The God helmet as most people are familiar with or more recently, the Ajna Light which also claims to produce this experience naturally. Dr. Dawkins explained that he was one of the 20% of people who are typical of the EEG for not having this experience when he tried on the God helmet, and admitted he was disappointed. They're also speculated to occur in near-death. Mysticism, you see, involves the disciplines and techniques aimed to elicit these mystical experience of which this research is investigating, however for the mystic, mysticism isn't simply about the experience itself, but to integrate the insights of those experiences into one's daily life. That is what encompasses mysticism. Anyway, I could go on about this, but I'll wait for a response. I've left plenty of material here for anyone to help themselves regarding this scientific research, and what's going on at Johns Hopkins that has prompted entheogenic research all over the world.
Kafei - This has absolutely
Kafei - This has absolutely nothing to do with presuppositionalism. The fact that you'd assume so...
/e BTW: if your unhappy that the conversion veered into criticism of presuppositionalism; perhaps you shouldn't have steered us to a presuppositionalist.
Who are you accusing of
@Nyar Who are you accusing of presuppositionalism? Certainly neither Spinoza or Wilber. Neither are presuppositionalist. I'm not unhappy that the "conversion" *cough, Freudian slip, cough* I mean conversation veered towards that direction. I'm simply saying that direction is irrelevant.
@Kafei
Three hours ago---in this thread--- you discussed a presuppitionalist, and linked a youtube video discussing them.
What I've cited has
@Nyar What I've cited has absolutely nothing to do with presuppositionalism. I just would like to make that clear. Which presuppositionalist do you think I've mentioned, specifically?
Kafei - Which
Kafei - Which presuppositionalist do you think I've mentioned, specifically?
"Darth Dawkins"
Kafei "what I'm speaking of
Kafei "what I'm speaking of has been very concretely defined.
What I've given you is the mystic's interpretation of The Holy Trinity, and its relationship to philosophical Absolute and man/woman."
Oh dear, woo woo overload. You've come to the wrong shop to sell your snake oil.
Any sign of links to peer reviewed research evidencing any deity?
Nothing on any news network puzzlingly? Even stranger the Vatican seems to have missed this news. No massed throngs in St Peter's square being addressed by a jubilant pontiff?
Just some Billy no name making claims in an internet forum, and linking YouTube videos, if only we could piece this all together.
@ Kafei
On his home front, Bob is co-convenor of a spiritual community formed around ecstatic dance. His formal training is in engineering. He resides in San Francisco.
Well, re the "complete mystical experience" all self reporting.....this last quote (above) from the bio on the video says it all. If you really want to be lumped in with the woo merchants you are going the right way about it.
Fekking Iriot.
To the contrary, these
To the contrary, these experiences have been well established beyond mere "self-reported" mystical experience. This is the very point I atttempted to inform Matt Dillahunty of on the very first call of The Atheist Experience this year. Rather, and more accurately, on these measures the psilocybin-induced mystical experience appear virtually identical to naturally occurring mystical experiences from which mystics have "reported," sure, rather expressed and construed via this direct experience. In other words, Matt attempted to make this same argument, that mystics were reporting this experience as "mystical" when no mystic used the term "mystical experience" to describe this experience, neither do the volunteers involved in this research. Rather mystics variously described it in the scriptures of the major religions in different ways, and this is why this research has defined these mystical experiences within accordance with the Perennial philosophy.
To the contrary, these experiences have been well established beyond mere "self-reported" mystical experience
Then you didn't listen to the video. All the experiences were "self reported". The only control were neighbours and friends who reported on the subsequent behavioural characteristics of the subjects. These were according to several (Eleven) arbitrary and rather woolly "divisions" (i think they meant definitions)
This is, as the lecturer (He of the mystical dance classes) admitted not actual evidence. Or at least not evidence that would constitute a valid study. It has all the validity of drug takers or alcoholics reporting their dreams with neighbours and family reporting on their behaviour before and after binges.
That "mystical experiences" have been subjectively reported throughout human history is not evidence of their existence. Only that they have been reported as experiences by individuals for varied and uncertain motives.
Unitil reliable evidence either medical or physical can be produced such experiences are just an individuals say so; varying from naked venality to drug induced hallucination. Sometimes a genuine mental illness produces delusions.
Supply genuine evidence or quit wasting our eyeballs reading and watching this guff.
Well, I ask you to review the
Well, I ask you to review the science before judging this research so hastily. To accuse these experiences of being "reported" as a "mystical experience" using that specific phrasing, (which neither mystic nor volunteer do) is one thing, but to accuse it of being simply reported whether regarding it as the Theoria of Christianity or the nirvana of Buddhism is baseless criticism. Of course, for a mystic to communicate this experience, they must necessarily "report" it. They must put it into symbolic form be it a painting, words in scripture, or a symbol, etc. However, the representation isn't necessarily what it is. In other words, don't confuse the symbol for what the symbol points to which is what these professionals are describing as a universal phenomenon in consciousness, as a "complete" mystical experience or as Bruce Lee would say, "Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory!"
CSP Founder Robert Jesse on the "Complete" Mystical experience
Dr. Roland Griffiths on "Complete" mystical experience
Dr. Alex Belsar - "Complete" Mystical Experience
Thanks for your links. I think you are confusing the deceased and distinguished biochemist DR R Jesse ( MD PhD) with your rather 'out there' Mr Robert Jesse whoi does not claim either a doctorate or an MD. He is the organiser of the Council on Spiritual Practices (csp.org/about), which aims to shift modernity's awareness and practices with respect to primary religious experience. Even the link you supplied does not describe him as a Doctor of anything. But then I could be very wrong on this as I had not come across the two of them , and certainly not heard of Jesse but in the context of psychedelic drug studies.
Roland Griffiths PhD conducted a series of experiments on the chemical ingredient of "magic mushrooms" along with Robert Jesse. I note that in each case they were studying the effects of drugs and overdoses on reported 'Mystical experiences" or did you not actually read the papers?
Again in your final link about the improvements in cancer patients symptoms that report a "mystical experience' it is only using the scale of experiences self reported by the individual. That these experiences are reported by an individual does not mean that they are manifestations of reality. It only means that those reporting disparate 'mystical experiences' from a group pre-disposed to believe in such have reality for the individual.
Your sudden segue into esoteric symbolism is not borne out by any of your citations that I can see. Few of the individual mystical experiences have commonality except where it is shown that the subject are pre-disposed to a particular 'brand' of spirituality. You will have to read the papers to get that indexation. Jesse (in the video) glosses over the pre existing bias of the subjects, it is reported in the papers however.
I would suggest that instead of concentrating on any appendages or things that the late Bruce Lee 'would say' yopu organise ytour evidential house. Make sure you are quoting the right people and stick to a single point.
You have no evidence or systematic pointers to anything but 'self reporting' of unprovable experiences that may or may not have an effect on your well being especially when initiated by overdoses of a particular drug.
When the Johns Hopkins studies are replicated by another academic institution it may be time to take notice and seek the confirmation of 'complete mystical experience' . As it is....well....
Thanks for your links. I
@Old man shouts
No, that's right. Bob Jesse is the founder of the CSP, and has recruited this team of professionals to investigate psilocybin-induced mystical experience. The leading researcher is Dr. Roland Griffiths, and I'd say the veteran psychedelic researcher is Dr. Bill Richards.
I think you're pouring too much emphasis on the word "reported." Yes, the volunteers' descriptions of the experience were put against measures that have been specifically designed to gauge mystical experience. They were originally laid out by William James, further elaborated throughout the decades with the work of Dr. Walter Pahnke, Dr. Walter T. Stace, and Dr. Ralph Hood, et al. and most refined in this research out of Johns Hopkins led by Dr. Roland Griffiths. In order for a volunteer to be considered by these professionals to have had the so-called "complete" mystical experience, they have to meet measures on all six criteria definitive for the CME ("complete" mystical experience).
I don't think these volunteers were necessarily primed for the experience. I'd also say that it's a mistake to not consider it a manifestation of reality, when it's a manifestation of reality insofar as everyone is reported a universal phenomenon in consciousness that is outside the bounds of their personality, of their personal history, etc. This is why they relate this to the Philosophia perennis, because the content of the CME transcends time and culture. Dr. Rick Strassman, the guy who led the DMT studies back in the mid-90s also said that all his volunteers reported that these experiences are "more real than everyday waking consciousness." William James called this the "neotic quality," and Dr. Roland Griffiths also says this of his volunteers as well.
Yes, Bob Jesse explains that they were looking for people who adhered to some kind of spiritual or religious practice, whether it's fervent or passé. However, I believe that's irrelevant, because they've also had atheist volunteers involved in the survey studies as part of their research. Guess what happened to the atheists?
This is quite a risible entry. You see, the point in that Bruce Lee clip is not to pay attention to the appendage, if you're focusing on the finger, then you've missed the entire point. I follow this research quite diligently, actually. I am quoting the right people, my evidential house is well organized. Once again, they've established more than simply "reported" experience. They're now starting to use fMRI in combination with the survey data, the questionnaire data, etc. Eventually, I believe a neuroscientist will have just but to look at an fMRI scan to determine a CME. Yes, we are talking about a very real phenomenon in consciousness that is universal across the board. These professionals consider the mystical states of consciousness evidence for the Perennial philosophy, and we're definitely not talking about an overdose. You see, they are using a high dose, the equivalent to Terence McKenna's "heroic dose" contained in a pill, but this orders of magnitude away from what would be considered an "overdose."
Well, like I said, don't judge the research so quickly. I believe what happened is you're simply just being introduced to this stuff, and hastily judged it while not realizing that this scientific research has a very rich history initiating with the work of William James in the early 1900s. The CME is not something that may or may have not happened, it's an extant and recognized phenomenon in consciousness that's been well established within the scientific literature.
@Nyar I don't know EF's position. In that stream I appeared on with him, I had chimed in late, and so if he was arguing from a presuppositionlist standpoint, I wouldn't have known. If he is arguing from the philosophical Absolute, that's a concept that has absolutely nothing to do with presuppositionalism. I was more referring to the actual professionals I've been citing, not EF whom I don't know very well, and am not clear as to what position he holds.
Kafei - ...if he was arguing
Kafei - ...if he was arguing from a presuppositionlist standpoint, I wouldn't have known.
take drugs
discuss the presuppositionalism of someone else in a recorded video
as a non-sequitur, link that part of the video here
tell us you didn't know the person was a presuppositionalist
That would be a valid
That would be a valid criticism if it were not for the fact that psychedelics aren't required to elicit these mystical states of consciousness.
In my youth I tried the psychedelics, and among other experiences, had a very interesting and mystical 3 days in Yacqui country.
Psychedelic research is indeed "a thing" and has been for the better part of a century. The Holy Grail of course has not been discovered, that is, the communication of a mystical experience to a third party in "real", observed time. In other words the dreamers are experiencing all of it entirely within their own skulls whatever the psychedelic experience may say.
The effects of magic mushrooms have been widely reported and as widely investigated as have others such as Datura, Cannabis, Peyotl etc. However there is no evidence, save personal anecdotes, of anything except the psychedelic experience itself.
Even though some experience (talking coyotes and the like) have a slight commonality, when rigorously examined as in the studies you quoted the commonality is slight, the messages different and the similarities are really down to the cultural and educational conditioning of the subjects.
No amount of your word salad will change that. No amount of endowing Bob Jesse with a doctorate (as you did) will change that. The fact is psychedelics, hallucinogenics and many other drugs will change the chemical composition of your brain after extended use. It does NOT prove the reality of the experience except to the individual
So, in conclusion, take your stuff, but know it is inside you and only inside you that changes occur and they are chemical changes not gods.
Stay in rehab, you will be better for it.
@ Old man shoutsIn my youth I
@ Old man shouts
You know, I discuss these topics often across many forums across the internet relative to atheism, theism, people interested in psychedelics (places like Shroomery.org or DMT-Nexus.com as well as chatrooms, various hang outs, YouTube streams. I've also been a caller on The Atheist Experience, and other shows like Atheist Edge and Talk Heathen.
Well, I wouldn't compare a "complete" mystical experience to a dream. I would describe it more as a metanoia, it's a fundamental alteration of one's perception. I believe you're overemphasizing the neurological processes here. I wouldn't necessarily call that a criticism, especially when all your subjective experience happens "entirely within your own skull." If that's your criticism, then your perspective, God is impossible, you see, precisely because every experience you have, even if it's a consensus reality, is all ultimately happening within you.
Even though some experience (talking coyotes and the like) have a slight commonality, when rigorously examined as in the studies you quoted the commonality is slight, the messages different and the similarities are really down to the cultural and educational conditioning of the subjects
I'll try to explain, actually following this research, how it's addressed by these professionals. The mystical experience does occur on a spectrum, and so in the research, they make this distinction between what they call the archetypal/visionary states of consciousness vs. the unitive mytical states of consciousness (also referred to as the "complete" mystical experience). Now, I made a mistake on Atheist Edge, and so one of the listeners by the name of Jim Majors ended up misconstruing me due to my error. So, he contextualized the experiences. However, let me clarify here. What referred to as the "archetypal/visionary" experience as the "height of the experience." My mistake, and I didn't meant to phrase it that way, I don't know if I was nervous or what the hell, because it was a kind of 9 vs. 1 situation which I'm used to, but not necessarily in person like that. However, the point was that the "visionary/archetypal" experience emphasized in this research actually occur just before or right after the "complete" or unitive mystical experience which is, more accurately, the very height of this phenomenon, the universally reported CME. I accidentally referred to the visionary experience as the height, and it's not, but for some people it is, they don't end up having the "complete" mystical experience, but partial mystical experience, some aspects of it. But one shouldn't assume it ends there. The visionary states can be very personal, addressing you specifically, so for instance if you're Christian, you may see Christ at the Cross; if you're Muslim, you may see Muhammad, if you're Hindu, you may see Shiva, etc. Let's say you're not very religious, you may see someone that has died that was important in your life or a dead parent or family member, etc. However, and this is the point I wish I had emphasized when I was brought onto the show. I sort of got at it, but apparently not quite, and that is that in the unitive mystical experience, there is the complete dissolution of the subject-object dichotomy that we all experience in our everyday consciousness. So, that there's no longer an ego, there's no longer perception that can see something that is separate from itself, like Christ on the Cross or a dead loved one or what-have-you. There's no longer a distinction between what you think of as objective and what you think of as subjective, they're the exact same thing at the height of the "complete" mystical experience. So, for the mystic (mystic meaning someone practices these disciplines and engages these mystical experiences, and uses the insights of those experience to direct their life) they are someone who have seen that God is everywhere but merely invisible to us due to our ego-centered nature. So, for them, it is easy to find that a drug that occasionally obliterates the ego can also make God more visible. You see, because this experience of "ego death," of having died to witness this complete dissolution of the subject-object dichotomy, they are often led to a panentheistic understanding of the divine or God ever after this experience. The content of the unitive mystical experience or CME goes beyond the personal history of the individual, so that the experience has nothing to do with what religion you came from or lack of religion, it's nothing to do with your memories, the culture you live in, etc. It is transcendent of all these things. It's rather considered a direct experience of the philosophical Absolute. So, if you scratch the major religions to their core, then what you'll find is that each of the major religions has a description of this Absolute. It is Brahman in Hinduism, "The Father" in Christianity, "The One" of Plotinus, it is the Tawhid of Islam, etc. I realize that was quite long-winded, but I don't think this is something easily discussed, even the researchers point this out, and the outside the research.
Well, this experience isn't necessarily easy, I believe that's why Terence McKenna called it the "heroic dose." Another thing to point out is we're not speaking about "extended use." Dr. Roland Griffiths is quick to point out that no one is coming back to Johns Hopkins saying, "More please." This is not necessarily an experience you'd like to repeat, but I'd like to be clear that we're talking about a single high dose, not extended use. That's after all the Big Point arising out of the scientific research. I wouldn't necessarily say any of this is a "word salad," I have been pointing to quite concretely defined concepts here. However, the sort of necessary issue that arises here is that something that is realized in an experience, in a fundamental transformation of perception cannot be transmitted by telepathy, then all this exchange would be unnecessary. The experience necessarily has to be transposed into words, and that unfortunately completely destroys the fullness of the message. Alan Watts said that it's ultimately something that cannot be put into words, it's only realized through this revelation.
That could be said about any experience. I've I believe I've explained why this is not a criticism, and I'm willing to continue the dialogue.
Straight to the put-downs already? C'mon, you think you're the first atheist I've encountered or something?
The visionary states can be very personal, addressing you specifically, so for instance if you're Christian, you may see Christ at the Cross; if you're Muslim, you may see Muhammad, if you're Hindu, you may see Shiva, etc. Let's say you're not very religious, you may see someone that has died that was important in your life or a dead parent or family member, etc. However, and this is the point I wish I had emphasized when I was brought onto the show. I sort of got at it, but apparently not quite, and that is that in the unitive mystical experience, there is the complete dissolution of the subject-object dichotomy that we all experience in our everyday consciousness. So, that there's no longer an ego, there's no longer perception that can see something that is separate from itself, like Christ on the Cross or a dead loved one or what-have-you. There's no longer a distinction between what you think of as objective and what you think of as subjective, they're the exact same thing at the height of the "complete" mystical experience. So, for the mystic (mystic meaning someone practices these disciplines and engages these mystical experiences, and uses the insights of those experience to direct their life) they are someone who have seen that God is everywhere but merely invisible to us due to our ego-centered nature. So, for them, it is easy to find that a drug that occasionally obliterates the ego can also make God more visible. You see, because this experience of "ego death," of having died to witness this complete dissolution of the subject-object dichotomy, they are often led to a panentheistic understanding of the divine or God ever after this experience. The content of the unitive mystical experience or CME goes beyond the personal history of the individual, so that the experience has nothing to do with what religion you came from or lack of religion, it's nothing to do with your memories, the culture you live in, etc. It is transcendent of all these things. It's rather considered a direct experience of the philosophical Absolute. So, if you scratch the major religions to their core, then what you'll find is that each of the major religions has a description of this Absolute. It is Brahman in Hinduism, "The Father" in Christianity, "The One" of Plotinus, it is the Tawhid of Islam, etc. I realize that was quite long-winded, but I don't think this is something easily discussed, even the researchers point this out, and the outside the research.
What this magnificent block of word salad boils down to is: Personal experience, no shared experience, everything happening within the subjects brain. No physical, measurable effects outside the subjects own body (no levitation, telekinesis, transformations). Just a giant slab of presupposition that a "god thing exists " and can be visible when taking unwise quantities of hallucinogenics.
You are talking in one phrase: So, for them, it is easy to find that a drug that occasionally obliterates the ego can also make God more visible. You see, because this experience of "ego death," of having died to witness this complete dissolution of the subject-object dichotomy, they are often led to a panentheistic understanding of the divine or God ever after this experience as if there was a 100% commonality of hallucinations....where do you get that from? Certainly not the subjects themselves, unless you are choosing to interpret their words to back up your bias.
What this magnificent block
Well, if by shared, I am speaking of a universal phenomenon in consciousness when it comes to the unitive mystical experience. An experience that seems to be part of the structure of consciousness itself, and this is very akin to how the eastern religions viewed these type of experiences. I offer that as some Alan Watts ASMR.
Yes, this is what I'm attempting to emphasize, that the volunteers invariably describe these type of experiences. Recall, it's not the volunteer that deems their experience as a "complete" mystical experience, rather this is assessed by the professionals involved in the research and the measures developed over decades of scientific research.
Yes, this is what I'm attempting to emphasize, that the volunteers invariably describe these type of experiences.
Come back to me when you have some actual evidence. Not personal revelation. At the moment you have only that. Not uniform, not communicable. Only supposition based on the ingestion of drugs.
Yes I know that deep meditation can replicate a drug induced 'mystic' or 'revelatory' state, as can deep psychosis. But as it stands you have not one piece of evidence that can be replicated, communicated or evidenced even to a 'balance of probability'.
When you have that then please let me know I am all attention.
Come back to me when you have
Well, I did point out that these experiences do not require drugs for them to happen. That they resemble naturally occurring mystical experience reported by mystics throughout the ages. That the are uniform across the board, they aren't necessarily incommunicable, just very hard to communicate. And yes, the professionals involved do consider these mystical states of consciousness the very evidence for the Perennial philosophy, and God or Brahman or Allah is most properly understood within this context.
They've ruled out psychosis. That's why they don't call these things psychotomimetic anymore, because they realize that's not a very good model to label psychedelics.
That's precisely what this is, revelation of the divine has never come through anywhere else but through the mind. It's the only way it can happen. It's not going to happen in a way an atheist might expect, it's not going to be some entity that performs some magic trick for you, or some "object" out there in space and time which, by the way is the conception of God 99% of atheists have which is at the very basis of their rejection.. It's going to be a direct experience with the Absolute.
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Can you link papers instead of videos please? Understand that we don't necessary have the time and will to watch hours and hours of videos.
" or some "object" out there in space and time which, by the way is the conception of God 99% of atheists have which is at the very basis of their rejection"
Care to provide the source for the 99% number? And no, it is theists that grace us with this particular concept. We also reject the various gods of classical paganism for example.
@TalynnCan you link papers
@Talynn
That's fine. I have linked them. I'll link them once again. That link there is an excerpt on the 2017 mystical experience chapter that is a summary of all the peer-reviewed material that Johns Hopkins managed to get published into the Scientific Journal of Psychopharmacology.
Care to provide the source for the 99% number?
I believe it's pretty obvious. It's been the very notion of the divine I've encountered among atheists. It inspired me to create this meme.
And no, it is theists that grace us with this particular concept.
What sort of theists have you been speaking to? You know, George Carlin used to say, "Yeah, well, many people are fucking dumb, shall we adopt all their standards?
We also reject the various gods of classical paganism for example.
Nevertheless my point is that, whether you were influenced by a theist, a set of parents, a local community, something you read on the internet, you essentially conjure what you regard as God. You ultimate make the decision of whether it makes sense to you, whether you should reject it, etc. Matt Dillahunty says that if he were asked what it would take to convince him, he often replies, "I don't know." Then, how the fuck do you know you're an atheist, if you don't even know what you're rejecting? Talk about contradiction. Sure, I realize you became aware of theism, of religion, and God at some point in your life, whether it was your atheist parents you explained it, whether it was your religious parents who made you practice it, whether you saw it on tv, etc. However you became aware of it, you ultimately accepted whatever you were told that formed your ideas about God, and to which those ideas you ultimately rejected. This is why I emphasize eisegesis in the meme which is the very opposite of exegesis, of actually attempting to construe a text in its original intended meaning to whatever degree we can do that. For instance, many people are not aware that the great Greek philosophers such as Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Xenophanes, etc. rejected the mainstream religion of Zeus and his offspring as "entities" born out of the human fanciful imagination, and likewise any God with a form, be it anthropomorphic or creature-like; rather they adhered to what Plato called "The Good," and what Plotinus called "The One" which was recognized in the contemplative state of Henosis. So, the divine is not something conjured by the mystic, you see, it's not something they inherit through a set of parents or their culture, it's rather something they experience directly, and through that experience, they construe the nature of the divine often expressed as a direct experience or dissolution into the Absolute. It is also expressed by the early Christian mystics as "The Father," again, not "Father" in the sense of a literal paternalistic deity, but the Father in contrast to mother nature, the Father as the Absolute which is all the possible underlying permutations that can manifests itself through mother mature, and Mother Nature again, not as a Gaian Goddess, but as nature itself. It is also recognized as Brahman in Hinduism or the dreamtime of the Australian aborigines. There's many names throughout history and various religions and cultures around the world for it, however the Taoist sage said it best, "The name that can be named is not the eternal name." People have only been using the word "God" for a very short amount of time, its etymology is traceable to a Germanic root, some scholars speculate it may go further back to the nickname for Siddartha Gautama, "Gaut" in Gautama shortened to God. Even if that's so, you still wouldn't find it uttered 10,000 B.C. when Hindus were saying Brahman.
@LogicFTW
Are we still talking about various god ideas that arise from the human brain, whether through mediation or psychedelics? "lost of ego" and all that?
Yes, it's called ego death in psychology. Michael Pollan has spoken on this aspect of it.
Ya know, the same human brain that can be hypnotized, and is tricked constantly with simple pictures? The same human brain that can be easily distracted or misdirected by a street side "magic" performer performing tricks that he learned in misdirection, suggestion etc?
I've never heard of mystical experiences being invoked in that way. I have heard of the God helmet which even Richard Dawkins participated in, but his EEG was typical of the 20% of people who don't get this experience. So, unfortunately, Richard Dawkins didn't have it, and now that he's had a stroke, it may be out of the picture for him. The most recent method I've heard of for eliciting this experience naturally is the Ajna light developed by a man who used to work under Steve Jobs by the name of Guy Harriman. It's basically strobing lights that are witnessed behind closed eyelids that blink in a pattern of LED lights that surround you. It's supposed to facilitate in meditation, and produce DMT-like visions.
Explain why a pantheism or panentheism god an idea that arises solely out of the human brain not backed by any evidence whatsoever should not be a HIGHLY suspect idea of being even remotely true? While pan/panen god concepts do not suffer from much of the ridiculous BS of the more defined gods of the popular religions today, they still suffer from an utter lack of evidence, of which the only fact we have is the human brain is capable of fiction and being tricked.
Well, what I'm trying to explain to you, is yes, there is science out there that supports what I've laid out here. The reason the panentheistic understanding is recognized is because the subject-object duality has been dissolved in the perception of the individual. The ego death has occured, this is also recognized in the research as the core feature of mystical experience, being a Unity with all that is and could ever be. Not simply a feeling out of the ego, but a recognition that arises from the very death of the ego in a temporary transformation of consciousness.
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This thread and this reply tree is getting long and unwieldy so I made a response at the end of this thread. (Can we not observe God.)
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Coroner to open Fraser inquest
Leonard Fraser.
by Adrian Taylor
10th Jun 2010 8:23 AM
A CORONER will next week open an inquest into the death of Leonard Fraser, three-and-a-half years after he died in the secure unit of a Brisbane hospital.
Fraser, known as the Rockhampton Rapist and the region's most notorious murderer, had suffered a heart attack a week earlier and died on New Year's Day 2007.
On June 16 in Brisbane, Coroner Michael Barnes will preside at a death in custody pre-inquest conference.
The inquest will seek to establish the circumstances of Fraser's death, what caused it and whether he was afforded adequate and appropriate medical treatment in the period leading up to his heart attack.
Former Rockhampton CIB chief Geoff Barton, who was in charge of the investigation into Fraser's appalling crimes, said yesterday the inquest was routine, but he was surprised it had taken so long.
"If it was in a secure unit, it is automatically classified as a death in custody.
"There would have been a full investigation, either by the police or the CMC."
He said while it was unfortunate that the inquest would raise once again the horror of his crimes, he hoped the families of those who suffered at Fraser's hands would have found their peace.
"I don't think anyone would mourn Fraser. I believe he was pure evil and guilty of more murders than those he was convicted of."
Fraser was serving four indefinite life sentences after killing three Rockhampton women and a nine-year-old schoolgirl in the city between December, 1998, and April, 1999.
The victims were Sylvia Benedetti, 19, Beverley Leggo, 36, Julie Turner, 39, and Keyra Steinhardt, who was abducted and sexually assaulted as she walked home from school.
Fraser killed them all with extreme violence and his crimes remain the most chilling in Central Queensland criminal history.
He was jailed in 2003 and was in a cell at the Wolston Correctional Centre when he was taken ill.
The 55-year-old was admitted to the Princess Alexandra Hospital in Brisbane on Boxing Day 2006.
The life and crimes of Leonard John Fraser
Born June 27, 1951, in Ingham, North Queensland.
1957 – moved to Sydney with his parents.
1960s – left school after reaching NSW equivalent of second year of high school.
1966 – aged 15, sentenced to 12 months in the Gosford Boys Home for stealing.
Drifted between labouring jobs around Sydney until 1970 when he became unemployed.
1968 – convicted of his first assault charge, of a railway officer at Penrith, NSW, released on probation.
1969 – stealing a car, unlicensed driving.
1970 – fined for offensive behaviour, street fighting and unlicensed driving.
February 1971 – fined for unlicensed driving and stealing a car.
November 1971 – released on two years' probation from Brisbane District Court after he was convicted of larceny, having brought stolen goods to Queensland.
December 1971 – sentenced to two weeks in Townsville jail for stealing.
February 1, 1972 – convicted of stealing a car in Townsville.
October 17, 1972 – rapes a female French tourist at Sydney Botanic Gardens.
November 1972 – convicted of living off the earnings of prostitution in Townsville.
December 1972 – sentenced to five years' jail for robbery.
June 19, 1974 – paroled; within nine days he raped one woman and attempted to rape two others in Sydney. Confesses to the 1972 rape.
December 1974 – sentenced to 21 years' jail for two rapes and two further attempted rapes, assault and stealing.
1981 – paroled after seven years and arrives in Queensland. Settles in Mackay where he works as a railway worker for more than two years.
1982 – convicted in Mackay Supreme Court of aggravated assault on a female, jailed for two months.
1985 – sentenced to 12 years' jail for rape.
January 1997 – released from Rockhampton jail; moves in with a Yeppoon woman who had been writing to him while he was in jail. Their relationship ends after Fraser allegedly raped the woman, who was terminally ill, in a Brisbane hospital chapel.
End of 1997 – Fraser moves back into Rockhampton community.
November 12, 1998 – moves into Baker Street flat with de facto.
April 22, 1999 – Fraser abducts and murders nine-year-old schoolgirl Keyra Steinhardt.
September 7, 2000 – found guilty of the murder. In Brisbane Supreme Court the Crown applies for an indefinite sentence.
March 17, 2003 – goes to trial charged with the murders of Rockhampton women Natasha Ryan, Julie Turner, Beverley Leggo and Sylvia Benedetti.
April 9, 2003 – Natasha Ryan sensationally emerges from hiding during the trial.
May 9, 2003 – found guilty of the murders of Sylvia Benedetti, 19, Beverley Leggo, 36, and Julie Turner, 39.
January 1, 2007 – suffers a heart attack and dies.
Source: Compiled from The Morning Bulletin, AAP and The Courier-Mail archives/reports.


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James Cameron aims to finally put that 'Titanic' door debate to rest, 25 years later
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Fans have long debated whether there was room for both Jack (Leonardo DiCaprio) and Rose (Kate Winslet) on the makeshift raft in the 1997 blockbuster Titanic.
Titanic director James Cameron wants to put an end to a debate that has gone on since the movie first hit theaters, exactly 25 years ago today.
Could Rose have scooched over to make room for Jack on that floating hunk of wood, keeping him out of the freezing water and saving his life?
Yes, many fans have argued with zeal — including the makers of MythBusters, who concluded after a 2012 experiment that both Jack and Rose could have plausibly fit on the door.
Cameron disagreed, saying in that episode that "the script says Jack dies, he has to die." He has long dismissed that the question is even up for debate, arguing in multiple interviews over the years that Jack's death was essential to the plot and that there was only room for one person on the makeshift raft.
The famously thorough director is hoping to close the door on that dispute for good, this time with an even more scientific approach.
While promoting his new movie Avatar: Way of Water, he told The Toronto Sun that he had commissioned a scientific study "to put this whole thing to rest and drive a stake through its heart once and for all."
"We have since done a thorough forensic analysis with a hypothermia expert who reproduced the raft from the movie and we're going to do a little special on it that comes out in February," he explained. "We took two stunt people who were the same body mass of Kate [Winslet] and Leo [DiCaprio] and we put sensors all over them and inside them and we put them in ice water, and we tested to see whether they could have survived through a variety of methods, and the answer was, there was no way they both could have survived. Only one could survive."
Viewers will be able to see for themselves when the special runs on National Geographic, The Sun reports. That same month, a remastered version of Titanic will hit theaters just in time for Valentine's Day (so plan your date night or crying party accordingly).
Cameron maintains that Jack simply had to die, telling The Sun that "if I had to make the raft smaller, it would have been smaller."
"It's like Romeo and Juliet," he added. "It's a movie about love and sacrifice and mortality. The love is measured by the sacrifice."
What do Jack and Rose have to say about all of this?
When asked during a 2019 MTV interview whether he thought Jack could have fit on the door, DiCaprio said repeatedly that he had "no comment."
Winslet has been more forthcoming, telling various late-night hosts in recent years that she thinks there could have been room for two.
But the question isn't whether two could fit, it's whether two could float, as she told "Happy Sad Confused" podcast host Josh Horowitz last week.
Winslet knows a bit about water, saying she spends a lot of time paddle boarding, surfing (board, kite and wind), scuba diving and cold water swimming. And if you put two adults on a stand-up paddleboard, she says, it becomes "immediately extremely unstable."
"I have to be honest, right," she said. "I actually don't believe that we would have survived if we had both gotten on that door. I think he could have fit but it would have tipped and it would not have been a sustainable idea."
The solution may not have been sustainable, but the movie — which was the first to gross $1 billion dollars — sure has staying power.
NPR pop culture critic Linda Holmes said in 2017 that two decades on, what makes the movie as timely as ever is that "it's a slow-moving disaster of immodesty."
"The people who built the ship cannot see, will not see its flaws. By the time they figure it out, it's too late," she told NPR's All Things Considered. "There's no miracle. There aren't enough lifeboats. Twenty years later, all we can do is wonder: Rose, couldn't you have fit two people on a floating door?"
And now we know. Or at least that's what Cameron hopes.
"Maybe ... maybe ... after 25 years, I won't have to deal with this anymore," he said with a laugh.
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