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Gael-Astrálaigh
c. 7,000,000 (30% of the Australian population of partial Irish ancestry)[1][2]
80,000 (by birth, 2011)[3]
2,087,800 (self-declared Irish ancestry, 2011; 10.4% of the Australian population)
Regions with significant populations
Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth
Australian English, Hiberno-English, Ulster Scots, Irish
Roman Catholic (majority), Protestantism (minority)
Related ethnic groups
Irish people, Overseas Irish Anglo-Celtic Australians, Scottish Australians, Welsh Australians, English Australians, Cornish Australians, Manx Australians, Irish Americans, Irish Britons, Irish New Zealanders
Irish Australians (Irish: Gael-Astrálaigh) are an ethnic group of Australian citizens of Irish descent, which include immigrants from and descendants whose ancestry originates from the island of Ireland.
Irish Australians have played a considerable part in the history of Australia. They came to Australia from the late eighteenth century as criminals but most were prisoners of war, mainly those who fought in the 1798 Irish rebellion for independence and settlers who could not find a life during the Irish famine and the harsh years in Ireland afterwards. They contributed largely to Australia's development in many different areas. In the late 19th century Irish Australians constituted up to a third of the country's population.[4]
There is no definitive figure of the total number of Australians with an Irish background. At the 2011 Australian census, 2,087,800 residents identified themselves as having Irish ancestry either alone or in combination with another ancestry.[5] This nominated ancestry was third behind English and Australian in terms of the largest number of responses and represents 10.4% of the total population of Australia. However this figure does not include Australians with an Irish background who chose to nominate themselves as 'Australian' or other ancestries. The Australian embassy in Dublin states that up to 30% of the population claim some degree of Irish ancestry.[6]
Demographic history
People with Irish ancestry as a percentage of the population in Australia divided geographically by statistical local area, as of the 2011 census
External video
Part One of Booknotes interview with Thomas Keneally on The Great Shame and the Triumph of the Irish in the English-Speaking World, January 2, 2000, C-SPAN
Part Two of Booknotes interview with Keneally, January 9, 2000, C-SPAN
Around 40,000 Irish convicts were transported to Australia between 1791 and 1867, including at least 325[7] who had participated in either the Irish Rebellion of 1798, the rebellion of 1803 or the Young Ireland skirmishes in 1848. Once in Australia, some were involved in the 1804 Castle Hill convict rebellion. Continual tension on Norfolk Island in the same year also led to an Irish revolt. Both risings were soon crushed. As late as the 1860s Fenian prisoners were being transported, particularly to Western Australia, where the Catalpa rescue of Irish radicals off Rockingham was a memorable episode.[8]
Other than convicts, most of the laborers who voluntarily emigrated to Australia in the 19th century were drawn from the poorest sector of British and Irish society. After 1831, the Australian colonies employed a system of government assistance in which all or most immigration costs were paid for chosen immigrants, and the colonial authorities used these schemes to exercise some control over immigration. While these assisted schemes were biased against the poorest elements of society, the very poor could overcome these hurdles in several ways, such as relying on local assistance or help from relatives.[9]
Most Irish emigrants to Australia were free settlers. The 1891 census of Australia counted 228,000 Irish-born. At the time the Irish made up about 27 percent of the immigrants from the British Isles.[10] The number of Ireland-born in Australia peaked in 1891. A decade later the number of Ireland-born had dropped to 184,035. Dominion status for the Irish Free State in 1922 did not diminish arrivals from Ireland as Irish people were still British subjects. This changed after the Second World War, as people migrating from the new Republic of Ireland (which came into being in April 1949) were no longer British subjects eligible for the assisted passage. People from Northern Ireland continued to be eligible for this as British citizens. Only during the 1960s did migration from the south of Ireland reduce significantly. By 2002, around one thousand persons born in Ireland - north and south - were migrating permanently to Australia each year. For the year 2005-2006, 12,554 Irish entered Australia to work under the Working Holiday visa scheme.
Irish and Aboriginal People
It has been argued that Irish Australians and Aboriginal people (including those of mixed descent) feel that there is a historical and sentimental link between the two groups. The shared oppression of Aboriginal and Irish people by the British is seen as giving them common historical ground.[11]
The historian Patrick O'Farrell argued that (in contrast to other colonists) Irish Catholics treated the Aborigines as equals, as evidenced by their willingness to intermarry, thus giving rise to the Irish surnames prominent among Aboriginal activists.[12]
This argument has been questioned. It has been pointed out that under the new colonial and state administrations, a European-style surname was required for official records relating to Aboriginal people. The local police (often of Irish stock) collected the relevant census data and allocated their own names to Aboriginal people for official purposes. In addition, however, many such policemen fathered children to casual or long-term partners from Aboriginal communities.[11]
The assumption that the Irish were less violent than other colonists has also been questioned, since Irishmen were among the bushrangers, squatters, police, timber getters and others known for violence against Aborigines.[11]
Over four thousand young female orphans from Irish workhouses were shipped to the Australian colonies at the time of the Great Famine (1848-50) to meet a demand for domestic servants. Some settlers greeted them with hostility and some were exploited or abused by employers and others. Although a number eventually died in poverty, others made upwardly mobile marriages, often surviving older husbands to experience long widowhoods. The Catholic Church only became involved in the 1870s, when its relief agencies in England were overwhelmed with Irish immigration. Even so, only about 10% of the resettlements were through Catholic agencies until after World War II. Australian Catholic groups began importing children in the 1920s to increase the Catholic population, and became heavily engaged in placing and educating them after World War II. The practice quietly died out during the 1950s.[13][14]
Queensland Figaro and Punch cover, 16 March 1889, depicting Irish Australians offering enthusiastic support to Parnell's struggle for Home Rule.
The first convicts and soldiers to arrive in Australia included a large number of Irish speakers, an example being private Patrick Geary, who in 1808 acted as court interpreter for Patrick Henchan, a convict accused of theft.[15] An account from 1800 refers to convicts speaking Irish among themselves (this being regarded as evidence of conspiracy), and it was acknowledged in the 1820s that priests could not perform their duties in the colony of New South Wales without a knowledge of the language.[16] There is a reference to Irish-speaking bushrangers in Van Diemen's Land in the early nineteenth century.[17]
The gold rushes of the 1850s attracted many Irish to the colony of Victoria, with a high proportion of Irish speakers. An Irish-speaking priest, Fr Stack, was appointed to minister to Irish miners in the gold-rush locality of Bendigo.[18] Irish immigration was at its height in the 1860s, the main counties of origin being Clare, Tipperary, Limerick and Kilkenny, all of them areas where the language was still strong.[19] Irish continued to be spoken in Australian country districts where the Irish had settled, and there is some evidence of its being transmitted to the next generation.[20][21]
The Gaelic Revival in Ireland at the end of the nineteenth century found a response in Melbourne and Sydney, with branches of the Gaelic League being established. The 1970s saw a renewal of interest in the language, chiefly among Australians of Irish descent,[22] and there is now a network of Irish speakers in the major cities. The Department of Celtic Studies at the University of Sydney offers courses in Old Irish and Modern Irish, and Newman College (University of Melbourne) houses a collection of books and manuscripts in Irish often used by scholars.[23] Australians have published fiction, poetry and journalism in Irish.
Although Catholic Irish were not generally politically powerful, the large number of Irish combined with universal male suffrage made it possible for Irish to sometimes gain office, such as the Victorian premiers John O'Shanassy (1857, 1858-59, 1861-63) and Charles Gavan Duffy (1871-72). Peter Lalor was the leader of the 1854 Eureka Rebellion, later a conservative member of parliament.[]
Before 1890, Irish Catholics opposed Henry Parkes, the main liberal leader, and free trade, since both represented Protestant, English landholding and wealthy business interests. In the great strike of 1890 Cardinal Moran, the head of the church, was sympathetic toward unions, but Catholic newspapers were critical of organised labour throughout the decade. After 1900, Catholics joined the Labor Party because its stress on equality and social welfare appealed to people who were workers and small farmers. In the 1910 elections Labor gained in areas where the concentration of Catholics was above average, and the number of Catholics in Labor's parliamentary ranks rose.[24]
Irish Catholics comprised a quarter of Australia's population in the early 20th century. They were largely working-class and voted for the Labor Party. The referendum on conscription in 1917, following the Easter Uprising in Dublin, caused an identification between the Irish, Sinn Féin, and the anti-conscription section of Labor. Pro-conscription forces exploited this, denouncing outspoken anti-conscription Catholics, such as Archbishop Mannix, and T. J. Ryan, the Premier of Queensland, for disloyalty. In general, Protestants, armed with the authority of tradition, championed the idea of Australia as an integral part of the Empire; and Catholics, freed from that authority by their Irish origins and their working-class affiliations, looked to the future by placing Australia first and the Empire second. There was no simple correlation between Catholicism, Protestantism and conscription, but the idea of an anti-conscription Catholic-Labor alliance stuck for many years.[25]
Mid Twentieth-Century Labor Politics
The Labor Party remained for many decades close to its working-class Irish Catholic roots. Labor governments were usually dominated by leaders of Irish ancestry, such as Prime Ministers James Scullin (1929-31), John Curtin (1941-45) and Ben Chifley (1945-49) and much later Paul Keating (1991-96). The same was true of many state governments such as the New South Wales administrations led by premiers James McGirr (1947-52), Joseph Cahill (1952-59), and Jack Renshaw (1964-65). All three premiers were of Irish Catholic stock. Conversely, conservative parties contained few Irish Catholics (with the exception of Joseph Lyons, conservative Prime Minister 1932-39; and even Lyons defected from Labor, having been an ALP Premier of Tasmania during the 1920s). Australia thus had political leaders at the highest level of Irish Catholic descent decades before other Anglophone countries such as the United States.
Arthur Calwell, minister for immigration in the Chifley government and leader of the federal opposition from 1960 to 1967, strongly identified with his Irish ancestry and learned Gaelic.[]
The Irish Australian flag
Walker (2007) compares Irish immigrant communities in the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Great Britain respecting issues of identity and 'Irishness.' Religion remained the major cause of differentiation in all Irish diaspora communities and had the greatest impact on identity, followed by the nature and difficulty of socioeconomic conditions faced in each new country and the strength of continued social and political links of Irish immigrants and their descendants with the old country. From the late 20th century onward, Irish identity abroad became increasingly cultural, nondenominational, and nonpolitical, but many emigrants from Ulster (and especially from Northern Ireland) stood apart from that trend.[]
For much of the 19th and the 20th centuries, Irish Australians, particularly but not exclusively Catholics, were treated with suspicion in a sectarian atmosphere. The outlaw Ned Kelly (1855-80) achieved the status of a national folk hero; ballads, films and paintings have since 1878 perpetuated the legend.[26] Kelly, who was hanged for murder, is often viewed romantically as the sort of treatment Irish Catholics in Australia could expect. In reality, however, most of the Irish were urban workers who experienced less official discrimination in Australia than they had at home in Ireland, and many Irish Australians (Catholic and Protestant) rose to positions of wealth and power in the colonial hierarchy. Many Irish men, for example, entered law, the judiciary and politics, and in Ned Kelly's time, 80% of the Victorian police were Irish-born, and half of those had served in the Royal Irish Constabulary. In major cities such as Melbourne and Sydney, Irish social and political associations were formed, including the Melbourne Celtic Club, which survives today. The Irish settler in Australia, both voluntary and forced, was crucial to the survival and prosperity of the early colonies both demographically and economically. 300,000 Irish free settlers arrived between 1840 and 1914. By 1871, the Irish were a quarter of all overseas-born.[]
O'Farrell (1995) demonstrates the importance of St. Patrick to the Irish, whether northern or republican, Protestant or Catholic, and how Australian manifestations of the Irish festival evolved. St. Patrick's Day became an expression of Irish identity and was emblematic of Irish culture and traditional separatism that migrated with the Irish to Australia. The early immigrants to Australia from Ireland were mainly members of penal colonies; assemblies or any such expression of Irish culture were not permitted. St. Patrick's Day at first was the exception, because it was not highly political, was ecumenical and was subordinate to the wider recognition of Britain. In a series of letters, a P. Cunningham, stated that a St Patrick's Day "jubilee" Ball was being held in Sydney in 1826.[27] The situation changed, however, in the 1830s with the growth of wealthy Irish Catholic emancipists and the introduction of Irish Catholic priests. These factors gave rise to conflicts and tensions that were to remain constant thereafter as the rise and decline of domestic Irish political movements influenced the Irish population in Australia. With the outbreak of World War I, imperatives imposed by the demands of war overshadowed Australian Irish sentiment.[28]
The idea of fraternity and how to organise it was one of 19th-century Europe's invisible exports to the New World. Fitzpatrick (2005) explores the international diffusion of the Loyal Orange Institution, with comparative reference to Freemasonry, its main model. Three alternative explanations are discussed for its appeal outside Ireland: that it facilitated the assimilation of emigrants, transmitted 'tribal' Irish animosities to fresh contexts, or adapted itself to preexisting sectarian rivalries abroad. These hypotheses are tested using evidence from South Australia, where Orangeism flourished in the absence of heavy Ulster Protestant immigration. A collective profile of Orange South Australia is derived from lodge records showing age, religious denomination, and occupation, and the appeal of Orangeism is related to local political and religious contexts. In this case, Orangeism was primarily an export of organisational techniques rather than Irish personnel or bigotry.[29]
Catholic clergy and nuns
The Catholic Church in Australia maintained a strong Irish identity, especially in the decades from the 1880s to the 1960s when state aid for church schools was withdrawn and the Church maintained a separate and separately funded school system. The leadership of the Australian Church was almost entirely Irish from 1883 to 1940, prominent Irish-born bishops including Cardinal Moran and Archbishop Kelly in Sydney, Archbishops Carr and Mannix in Melbourne and Archbishop Duhig in Brisbane. Many of the Catholic schools were run and staffed by Irish orders of nuns such as the Sisters of Mercy and Brigidines and Irish orders of brothers such as the Christian Brothers and Patrician Brothers. The Sisters of Charity worked in hospitals.[]
McGrath (1995) demonstrates the success of the Catholic nuns who arrived in Parramatta, New South Wales, from Ireland in 1888, noting their group's growth from nine newcomers into a flourishing congregation of over two hundred women within sixty years. By the 1950s this group of women religious was responsible for 24 primary schools, five secondary schools, and two orphanages. In Australia they carried on the Irish tradition of the Sisters of Mercy and lived a monastic lifestyle. Their sparsely furnished bedrooms were referred to as cells. There was little or no heating. The sisters' spiritual practices reflected the 17th-century school of spirituality.[]
Their relationship to the clergy was one of devotion, dedication, and subordination, thus reflecting the status of women in the larger population. It was societal pressures from without that eventually led to the decline of the Sisters of Mercy as Australia moved into the 1960s. Radical re-evaluations forced a restructuring of the Catholic Church as a whole, and a rethinking of what kinds of service the Church would require in modern times.[30]
The Irish Echo (Australia) is a newspaper available in print and online, covering Irish news and other matters of Irish interest.[31]
Tinteán is an online journal directed chiefly at Irish Australians. Its stated aim is to provide serious comment and an independent perspective on a wide range of Australian/Irish topics. It publishes some material in the Irish language.[32]
An Lúibín is a fortnightly Irish-language newsletter, distributed online in Australia and overseas. It deals with language matters and also contains articles on folklore, literature and current affairs.[33]
Irish Catholics have been the nation's largest minority throughout most of Australia's history. Their resistance to the elite Anglocentric establishment has keenly marked the development of sport. Mostly working class, the Irish played sports such as rugby league and Australian Rules football, while the Protestant majority often preferred cricket, soccer, rugby union and boxing. The tensions and contrasts between these two sporting cultures eventually built the attitudes and beliefs toward games and sports that Australians share today.[34]
Irish soccer clubs in Australia include:
St Kilda Celts[35]
Geelong Celtic (defunct)
Ulsterville (defunct)
Kew Celtic (defunct)
South Lismore Celtic
Celtic United
Darwin Rovers
Alice Springs Celtic
Shamrock Rovers Perth
East Perth FC
Emerald FC
Celtic Australis FC Perth Lions
Adelaide Celtic (defunct)
At the 2006 Census 50,255 Australian residents declared they were born in the Republic of Ireland and a further 21,291 declared to have been born in Northern Ireland.[36] Cities with the largest Irish-born populations were Sydney (12,730), Melbourne (8,950) and Perth (7,060).[37]
At the 2011 Census 2,087,800 Australians (10.4% of the total population) declared they had Irish ancestry either alone or in combination with another ancestry; only Australian and English ancestries were more frequently nominated.[5]
According to census data released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics in 2004, Irish Australians are, by religion, 46.2% Roman Catholic, 15.3% Anglican, 13.5% other Christian denomination, 3.6% other religions, and 21.5% "No Religion".[]
Irish Australian settlement patterns are not significantly different from those of the Australian population as a whole - that is, a third live in New South Wales and a quarter live in Victoria - except that around 22 per cent live in Queensland (compared to only 18 per cent of the general population). Relatively few as a proportion reside in Western Australia (7.6 per cent of Irish Australians compared to 9.9 per cent of the general population).
The 2001 Australian census recorded that persons reporting some Irish Australian ethnicity accounted for 10.7 per cent of all responses in the Australian Capital Territory (42,540 responses), 10.2 per cent in Victoria (469,161 responses), 9.9 per cent in New South Wales (622,944), 9.7 per cent in Queensland (433,354), 7.8 per cent in Tasmania (42,552), 7.6 per cent in Western Australia (171,667), 7.5 per cent in the Northern Territory (18,325) and 6.7 per cent in South Australia (119,063).
Irish language use
In the 2011 Census 1,895 persons were reported as using Irish as a household language, most of them in Sydney and Melbourne.[38] This represents an increase from the figure of 918 in the 2006 Census.[39] There are no official statistics regarding the use of Irish outside the home.
The Australian miniseries and historical drama Against the Wind deals with both the British rule of Ireland, and the development of New South Wales and Australia. Ruth Park's 1948 book The Harp in the South portrays the life of a Catholic Irish Australian family living in a Sydney slum. Other shows relating to Irish Australians include The Last Outlaw and Brides of Christ.[40]
Notable people of Irish descent
Georgia William Torrance, an Irish Australian
Ned Kelly, Bushranger and outlaw best known for wearing a homemade suit of armour.
Peter Lalor, Irish born Australian rebel and, later, politician who rose to fame for his leading role in the Eureka Rebellion.[41]
George William Torrance, Composer of church music.
Alan Joyce, Current CEO of Qantas, born in Ireland and immigrated to Australia in 1996.[42]
Jim Stynes, Australian Rules Footballer and Brownlow Medallist. Born in Ireland and immigrated to Australia in the 1980s.[43]
Johnny Logan, double-time winner of the Eurovision Song Contest, born in Melbourne.[44]
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^ Peter A. Horton, "The 'Green' and the 'Gold': The Irish-Australians and Their Role in the Emergence of the Australian Sports Culture", International Journal of the History of Sport 2000 17(2-3): 65-92
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This site is about old, mostly-defunct dining establishments in or around the City of Los Angeles. I set it up in 2012 and the premise then was that it would feature little articles and artifacts about restaurants where I, a lifelong resident of L.A., remembered dining.
It was not intended to be about restaurants that you went to because, among other reasons, I had no memories or observations to share about them. Some folks either didn't read the page where I explained that, didn't grasp the concept or didn't care. Every week or so, I receive at least one vituperative e-mail from someone who is livid that I've omitted some favorite eatery from their past. Some act like I made a grievous factual error; like I'd set up a blog about everyone who was ever pitched for the Dodgers and been such a lunkhead that I'd left out Sandy Koufax. Others respond like I've trashed their mothers by deliberately slighting a piece of their childhood.
So I've set up a forum called Your Memories. It's a place where you can write about restaurants you recall or ask questions about them. Post them there. If a good thread gets going about some restaurant, I may move the posts about it to a separate thread devoted to that eating spot.
Also: I occasionally get messages from the owners (or fans of) places that are or were currently open, objecting to their non-inclusion. The heading on every page clearly says the site is about places that ain't there no more but that seems to not matter to some. The proprietor of one chain that's still in operation was particularly irate that her restaurants weren't included. Since then, several of her outlets have closed so it looks like she'll get in here soon.
I'd rather you didn't write about restaurants that are still in business. There are plenty of sites about those places, including Yelp and Chowhound where you can argue 'til the Original Pantry closes about where to get the best pizza or burger. I may delete message threads about the current dining scene.
Also, be patient if your write a comment and it doesn't appear for a day or so. This site gets "spammed" all the time. Each day, I receive 100+ phony comments from non-existent people who plug online businesses and I have to separate the real posts from the robotic ads. That's why comments must be approved before they can read by anyone who comes here. But we really do welcome your contributions.
You can reach me at me@oldlarestaurants.com. And you might want to drop by my main blog, newsfromme.com. It's about comic books and TV and politics and writing and cartoons and whatever pops into my mind when I should be working.
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Cynthia Goss says:
We're looking for a cafeteria that was in North Hollywood in the 90's, closed now, not Schaber's. Retired shoebiz went there, they would sometimes get up and do a dance or sing, vaudevillian almost. It's been closed for a long time.
jerry mezerow says:
Mark- I remember you from the San Diego Comic Con, I am looking for menu's from old restaurants, Gingerman owned by Carroll o'Conner, Slate Bros. Thunder Roadhouse owned by Dennis Hopper, Interlude, Bistro, Duke's Coffee Shop, Jan's Coffee Shop, Pick's Restaurant. Would appreciate if you could help me. Thanks, Jerry
Randy Moffatt says:
Anyone remember Eckbergs Steakhouse on Ventura Blvd in Woodland Hills? Very popular in 60's and 70's. Only 10 tables. Owner cooked, wife waited on tables. He had an amazing bell collection and if you played "I'm Looking Over a 4 Leaf Clover" on the juke box he would come out and play the bells. They were real characters, but you couldn't beat the steaks.
Kathy Barber, I believe the name of the deep dish pizza place was maybe Numero Uno's?
Elaine Lee says:
Yes, I fondly remember Rudy's Italian restaurant in the Crenshaw District.
We lived off of Santa Barbara & 5th Avenue back in the early to mid 60's. My father took us on his day off when he could to have dinner. It was such a big deal back then I was 6 years old. I remember the Anti pasta plate, a small plate of their famous spaghetti with meat sauce and then, if my memory serves me right, a tasty serving of prime rib. This was where I had my first – Shirley Temple. So delicious! Service was everything. Nothing like it today. Those definitely were the good ole days!
DAN Larson says:
When I was in Downtown LA a Friend turned me on to Vickermans Deli. The place was frozen in time and the best food. The best mazo ball soup and the bread pudding. It had picnic benches and big open dining space. It been gone for a long time. Another of LA lost treasures.

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Long time no see… It's incredible how time flies when you're on the road.
Since last week, when Óskar and I embarked on our current journey to Iceland, I've somehow been in a constant (inner) rush, and didn't notice at all that it's actually already been a week by now! Do you know these times when everything seems so exciting and all-important that time is really getting short for sleeping, eating, well-behaving and going on the internet?
Two days ago, the big snow storm started. Therefore, we couldn't take that many new pictures yet although I'd love to capture every single moment of our stay. It's quite difficult to go out for a walk or to drive one's car downtown at the moment, as all you can see is: white. All you can breathe in is: snow flakes, sometimes mingled with rain. I kind of like this severe weather since it conveys a feeling of real 'wintertime' – but still, I like it best, when we're inside where it's cozy and warm. There's always the option left to look out of the window and to take pleasure in the spectacle from a (heated) distance.


Many believe Carrot Cake originated in Gothenburg, Sweden. We know that carrots were used in sweet cakes dating back to medieval times as sweeteners were expensive and often not available. Carrots contain natural sweeteners and the most of any vegetable, except for the sugar beet. The revival of Carrot cake popularity during the rationing period in England during the second world war.
This is a very simple method of cooking a delicious prime rib dinner that you would typically find served in any five star restaurant. The key is simple… keep an eye on the temperature. Serve with a nice horseradish sauce and don't be afraid to add lots of fresh horseradish.
What to do with all those cucumbers coming from your garden, daily? Here is a super easy and super fast recipe from my brother's friend Josephine. These are so yummy I dare you to eat only one!


For those Yipes! fans who rocked mournfully to the band's farewell performances at the Palms last June there's good news and bad news.
First the good news. The former core of Yipes!, lead singer Pat McCurdy, bassist Peter Strand and guitarist Mike Hoffmann, has combined anew as Pat McCurdy and the Men About Town. They are joined by former Wigs member Bob Pachner on keyboards and Rich Cook on drums.
Now the bad news. Don't expect the power pop sound that was Yipes! trademark. In fact, don't expect Yipes!.
"The people who are going to come see us or are planning to come see us must remember, this isn't Yipes!," McCurdy said. "We still have that crazy, fun attitude of Yipes!, but the music is more sophisticated. It's classier.
"Yipes! taught us the ropes, the things to avoid this time around. It was a great school of hard knocks. We know what can happen to you from the worst possible to the best."
McCurdy admitted, "I was sick of being an 'East Side Kid' or a 'Good Boy.'"
McCurdy said the musical limitations of the two guitar power pop sound ultimately led to the demise of Yipes!. With the Men About Town, spurred by the added dimension keyboards provide, McCurdy combines rock, jazz, jive, reggae and soul.
McCurdy cited Bruce Springsteen, Elvis Costello and Squeeze as recent influences and Elvis Presley, Motown artists and British invasion music as historical influences.
"It's an amalgamation of everything that's ever interested me musically in a show atmosphere," he added. "It's not just a rock band playing songs, we've made a show out of it."
McCurdy was especially influenced by the Broadway shows he attended while Yipes! was performing in New York. "That's the classiest form of entertainment there is."
The Men about will [be] similar to a soul revue, featuring short musical interludes between songs. The interludes will be based on specific musical themes, each used for about a month.
"If you have sensitive ears and you're familiar with the piece of music you'll hear bits of it throughout the night," McCurdy explained.
Pssst. Can you keep a secret? "Rhapsody In Blue" will be the band's first theme.
The spontaneous fun that was often the best part of a Yipes! performance will not be lost by McCurdy and the Men About Town.
"The fun element is still there. We want everybody to have as much fun for their dollar as they can."
McCurdy would like to see the Men About Town surpass the success of Yipes!.
"Everybody's goal is to have the man with the big cigar and the nice suit sign them up and say 'here's you advance.' That's our goal, to be able to make records on a national scale again.
Why, then, was the concept of the Men About Town developed when Yipes! was at its peak?
"I saw what a real success was when we were touring as part of our record contract. The bands we would open for had it. We were successful but there's that next plateau and then the next one with each one harder to attain. Yipes! could only take us so far."
Pat McCurdy and the Men About Town will be making their debut in a big way.
At 9:30 p.m. Jan. 22, in the Presidential room of the Eagles Club, the band will make their first public appearance at the "premiere rock event of the new year," co-sponsored by WLPX and Dr. Pepper. The Men About Town are the first band Dr. Pepper has chosen to sponsor in an event of this sort. Tickets are $2.97 in advance at the Eagles Club.
McCurdy perceives a slightly different future for the Men About Town after the debut.
"Videos are the real future for a band like us."


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Has winter been just as weird at your house as it has been at my house? We've had no need for snow days at school (with just one 2-hour delay because of ice) and a whole week where we didn't even wear jackets, winter has been crazy. I had this free printables packet of winter math worksheets all ready, and then the weather felt particularly spring like.
But, now that it's back to being a little more blustery at my house, I felt in the mood to put it up on the site.
This winter math worksheets fun packet is a fun way to change up math a little bit, which is always nice on those stuck-inside-because-the-weather-is-horrible winter days. (It's not like it's a good time of year to practice math with squirt guns, right?) The winter math worksheets packet is perfect for a variety of early elementary ages, as well as possibly some slightly younger children. There are word scrambles, alphabetical order, word searches, writing passages, and more.
Of course, the great thing is that this winter math worksheets packet is a free download. So, you can use as many or as few pages from the packet as you would like without feeling like you've paid for it, so then you better use it all. Bonus!
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You can download the Fun Winter Math Printables Packet from a text link farther down in the post where you also see a small version of the packet graphic and a text link.
This page features a snowman to color in based on a number code. Students must do addition problems to find the number for each area in order to color it in.
A box on this page has a group of moose, penguins, igloos, snowmen, and snowflakes. Students can color those in (if desired) and then count how many of each of those items appear in the box. They will then color in the graph below to show the correct number.
You can either have students cut apart this snowman puzzle or, even better, you can cut it apart ahead of time so they haven't seen it. They will then do the basic multiplication facts at the end of each line to find the correct order to put the puzzle back together.
Penguins are cute, but they are even cuter when you use them to skip count by fives to 100. Okay, that's not actually true. But, it sounded good, right?
This page features 20 penguins holding signs, with some numbers already filled in. Students will fill in all of the blank signs to skip count from 5 to 100. Skip counting is a great way to work on basic multiplication facts.
This page features snowy evergreen tree scene to color in based on a number code. Students must do a mix of simple addition, subtraction, and multiplication problems to find the number for each area in order to color it in.
Students will love doing a math game with a partner! They'll just need a pair of dice (or a game spinner or something that will allow them to get two numbers to add together) to be able to find numbers to add together to move along on the game board. There are some extra directions on the page for some fun squares on the page.
A roll and cover page to practice basic addition facts while trying to cover all of the numbers on this penguin page.
A roll and cover page to practice basic multiplication facts while trying to cover all of the numbers on this winter page.


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Butterfield suffers major loss as share price plummets
(CNS): Despite announcing net losses of $213 million for the group this afternoon, the Managing Director of Butterfield Cayman Ltd was relatively upbeat at the press conference convened to announce the changes at the financial institution. The bank boss revealed that The Carlyle Group, Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce and "other Institutions" had injected $550 million worth of new capital into the bank. Conor O'Dea admitted that the losses and fall in share price were bad news for shareholders but the capital injection made it good news for employees and customers.
He also revealed that the losses were mostly confined to Bermuda and that Cayman had in fact turned an audited net income of $8.7 million after making a provision for loan losses of over $6 million. "I am pleased with the Cayman results," he said, adding that no jobs would be lost on the island and as far as customers and employees were concerned it would be business as usual for the bank.
He said there would be no name changes as a result of the new major shareholders and that the Butterfield Group was now a well capitalized independent institution, having "de-risked" with the help of the investment.
O'Dea said the bank was now clear of problematic assets, liquid clear of risk and well capitalized in excess of legal requirements. He said the future was brighter and the financial injection illustrated the confidence investors had in the banking group franchise, despite the fall in the share price. The Cayman MD said, like many banks, Butterfield had learned a lot of hard lessons in the financial crisis, and despite having a reputation for conservative lending it had been caught out by the sub prime market.
However, the cash boost would set the bank up for future growth and the institution would begin rebuilding. "What we are saying is, we are clearing out and starting over," O'Dea said at the press briefing. "The fact that the investors have put $550 million of new capital on the table means they see value in the franchise."
He said he was pleased for customers and employers and there was no speculation about the future as thedeal was done and the money was literally in the bank. He said the future would be about wiser investments and a different way of lending, but it would remain a conservative franchise.
In an official release the firm stated that Butterfield Bank (Cayman) Limited, a subsidiary of Butterfield Group, recorded a net income of $8.4 million for the year ended 31 December 2009, down $19.0 million from $27.4 million for the year ended 2008. Loan loss provisions increased by $7.2 million, following specific credit provisions of $6.8 million primarily related to a hospitality loan. Non-Interest expenses from continuing operations declined by $ 5.2 million.
Gains on sales of investments of $0.3 million brought reported net income to $8.7 million in 2009 compared with a net income of $78.3 million in the previous year. Net income in 2008 was impacted by the recognition of other than temporarily impaired investment losses of $29.7 million offset by Net Income from Discontinued Operations of $80.6 million following the sale of its fund services business.
Total assets now stand at $2.6 billion compared to $3.3 billion at 2008 year-end, reflecting lower level of short-term deposits from hedge fund clients. Assets under administration, at $5.0 billion, were down $0.4 billion from the position at year end 2008, whilst assets under management increased 14.6% to $857.2 million. Total capital ratio as at 31 December 2009 was 13.3%.
Butterfield Group, however, reported an audited net loss for the full year ended 31 December 2009 of $213.4 million, or $2.34 per fully diluted share, compared to audited net income of $4.8 million, or $0.05 per fully diluted share, in 2008. These losses resulted from a write-down of mortgage-backed securities and substantially higher commercial loan loss provisions.
O'Dea added that Butterfield prided itself on forward-thinking. "We take our commitment to our customers very seriously. We remain focused on providing excellent customer service allied to a comprehensive range of retail banking and wealth management products in the Cayman Islands," he said.
For more details go to www.butterfieldgroup.com
the Involuntary Investor says:
BUTTERFIELD WIPED OUT!!!
That's what the headline should read. Shareholders of the bank just had every dollar they had invested in the bank reduced to a value of about 18 cents. That's a good performance for a bank, I'd say. NOT!
I'm curious about something. When Herr Dictator announced a tax on remittances to foreign countries, and everybody with half a brain instantly wired every cent of their money to another jurisdiction, do you think that Butterfield suffered as a result of the loss of all that operating capital? It would be funny if the near-failure of Cayman's flagship bank could be laid at the feet of Herr Dictator's foolishness.
I also wonder when the other shoe will drop. Shouldn't there be an announcement now from the Cayman Pension Fund people about the catastrophic failure of all of our investment funds resulting from the Butterfield shareholder wipeout? Just curious.
And yes, I do have money in the pension fund, and yes, I did wire every cent of my money to another jurisdiction when Herr Dictator threatened to tax money transfers. Maybe I helped torpedo my own pension fund. Now that would be funny!
The accounts of the Group are also public. Now if you don't want to read them look at the papers and news:
CO: "Butterfield Group may incur further loss in the range of $150 to $175 million in the first quarter"
Fitch, rating agency that is paid by BoB: "Fitch believes the pro forma equity capital provides only a modest cushion…"
CO: "It's business as usual
Anyone noticed they raised their fees, pretty drastically actually. Guess my money will be moved from Butterfield to my other Bank here in Cayman. I am not paying double for the wire transfers I make. Physically will move the money tomorrow, and then transfer the money out.
Too bad as Butterfield has some of the best tellers (although more automation would help). Guess that I won't be keeping any money in Cayman anymore and just set up a standing wire order to move the money off shore, which sounds odd as usually it is the other way around! 🙂
You do realize that Butterfield was LAST to raise their fees right?
Why don't you get all of the fees from each bank on the island and compare them? Butterfield still has some of the lowest fees, you should research more often.
It is very unsettling to know that Bank of Butterfield is going through a badpatch, which I hope and pray is only temperory.
Should this news be an omen of further problems, got help us all depositors. As the old Cayman saying, there is no smoke without a fire.
Like in the USA and many other countries, the Government could bail the banks and save the public, both through the FDIC and direct intervention.
Unfortunately , we do not have the luxury.
Henc, I request the Government to force the Banks to insure our deposits on the lines of the FDIC. The Banks are charging us enormous fees / charges , higher interest rates for home mortgages even though the rates we get are low. They have enough cushions and profits to provide insurance to us on our deposits.
Kindly, you are elected representatives, please be proactice and get the banks to protect the depositors her.
Look at the public results and you will see that they don't make a lot of money as everybody wants to say. If you force insurance then fees and rates will go further up.
Just bank with the a better institution and let the market deal with those that are not viable.
time to move on says:
I for one will be withdrawing my money from BoB. If a bank goes bust, the ordinary savers are last in the queue to get their money back. You have to read between the lines of Conor O'Dea's blarney , to see how bad the situation is. Job losses are coming… every other bank in this situation has fired people
Staff have already been promised; their jobs are secure.
The only way to show people like you is wait and see.
Don't forget who won bank of the year last year for The Banker Magazine – they're #1!
Deposits from customers are a liability to any Bank and in the event of bankruptcy would be re-paid before bond holders (next in line) and equity holders (last in line).
Yes Butterfield Group had a terrible year from a profit standpoint but their capital position has been strengthened as a result of this transaction.
You should review the facts on the press release before over-reacting.
Buy gold. That is the only safe thing these days.
Lachlan MacTavish says:
It simply amazes me how many people "knee jerk react" to the news. In this economy mergers and buy outs can be good. It allows companies and organizations to remain stable and serve their clients. How quickly Cayman residents forget when borrowing was difficult at a local bank …..who stood up. Who was there 120% through the Ivan experience…not only the real experience but what occured during the re build. Butterfield will press on…they are my Cayman bank and will continue to be. Stop over reacting ;-)))
inside job says:
back in january – inside job called this and wrote about it on posts here on CNS… that BoB would be taken over by fcib (CIBC). this is only their first step, but they will eventually aquire controlling interest. i also said there would be job losses ( contrary to what conner is said yesterday) – but i stand by my job loss scenario.
they just wont to it today or tomorrow, but within 18 months the job losses will start. the headcount has already been set (targeted).
Nonnie Mouse says:
BoB like most local banks, are heavily overstaffed and under-automated. They feel like entering a UK bank in the late 1970's. As a customer I would welcome swingeing job cuts in my bank
livingcayman says:
I guess the previous Government caused Butterfield's financial probelms too.
I for one thats a customer of BOB for years will be pulling my money out. There was nothen that Mr. O'Dea said that was reasuring to me i have work too hard to let my couple of dollars go down the drain. But my question is to all of these firms on the Island why do you guys wait for the last min before you let your customers know that the company is having problems and then its too late for us as the customers to do any thing . Thats real Bull.
Butterfield isn't having problems.
Can't you read? 'It's business as usual.'
Hope it is not caused by Community College style management and loans.
All these banks are jokers.
I am putting my money under my bed.
No Sah says:
HSBC anyone?
I'm placing my bets on the Asians these days.
The Anglo-Americans have clearly and utterly failed to prove themselves as prudent money handlers.
Take a look around – not only do they not manufacture anything any longer – but they have sent all of those jobs to the Asians and decided it better to import all goods from them while at the same time shamelessly outstretching their hands hoping for the very same region to act as "lenders" – the nerve!
Yet somehow they have managed to convince their citizens that they are the luckiest people enjoying the best economies in the world.
Mind boggling.
Well – they do have one thing going for them … modern day and ever expanding imperialism.
When the worst finally happens I'm sure they'll have many military posts for their unemployed citizens.
hellooo says:
Do you realise how racist your comment was ? By the way I am black so not an Asian or Anglo defending my race!
CNS I cant believe you approved this comment, what does race have to do with money management?
CNS: I suspect it was a comment about money markets rather than implying that Asian people have a specific gene that makes them financially superior.
Want some dip to go with that chip on your shoulder??
Save Cayman NOW! says:
The Canadian Banks are run far more conservatively than HSBC, which has large derivatives exposure…
In addition, they have retail operations here and are not reserved for the elite with large deposits to start an account…
Chose your bank well, as this Recession is far from over and may still morph into a fully fledged Depression at the rate sovereign countries aredebasing their currencies in a race to the bottom…
One safe investment: physical Gold or DGP, an ETN that represents Double the Gold price…
This is good. Butterfield has made a wise choice for the future!
Wise choice for the future?
They either accepted being wiped out as shareholders or they were closed with a run on deposits. Yes they made a wise choice, the only they had…
whodatis says:
The Carlyle Group?!
Really … its like that now?
People – are we fully understanding the characters and legacies that we are now flirting with?!
As for O'Dea trying to assure the Caymanian clientele of there being nothing to fear – he needs to instill those sentiments into the 2 relatively high-level and in-the-know employees of his establishment who I know for a fact pulled out their PERSONAL $ from BOB in the last 2 days! They seem to have not gotten the memo.
Carlyle Group…what's next? Will Blackwater – oh, excuse me … "Xe" (recent re-branding – I wonder why, hmmm??) – be para-trooping in on the 13th to "secure" us during the planned little march to the LA?
People – wake up … understand the nature of the forces that we are welcoming into our country.
Oh what's the use??
For all we care about in this "beloved, God fearing and righteous country" is securing yet another buck – never mind from whence it came.
Shock and Awe says:
Oh joy,
Carlyle otherwise known as War, Inc. has it's sticky fingers in Butterfield Bank. Never met a war they couldn't make a profit from.
http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html
Does Butterfield Bank (Cayman) Ltd publish audited accounts for everyone to see or do they hide behind consolidated accounts and provide only Group accounts?
If they do not they what good is the assertion that they did not lose money?
It is time for wholly owned subsidiaries and in fact all financial and insurance institutions doing business in cayman to publish, in the press, audited financial statements.
http://www.butterfieldgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/64FD8590-7C5C-4DC2-8761-EDF705DA6499/0/Final2009YearEnd.pdf
Cayman's results are in there.
Checkmate.
Yes they do, as I recall, and have done for several years.
Carpe diem says:
I do believe that the Cayman subsidiary does publish local accounts. The bad news is that I recall much of the cash is with HO. So the remains a problem.
In the old days when Nick Duggan ran the local bank they were much more conservative. If he was still with us I guarantee that the local subsidiary would have been in a better cash position.
slowpoke says:
I'm a "customer" and I don't think being owned by the fascists at the Carlyle Group is "good news".
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