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Jon's Twitter account goes public
After nearly three years of being bashed in the public by Kate, Jon finally decided he wants a voice. When asked for updates on the kids, he tweeted:
Jon Gosselin  @jongosselin1
there is nothing to tell, so dont follow me. they had enough over the last 6 years.go ask the other parent im not saying sh*t
And when asked what his biggest regret was he said:
Trusting in others with out knowing the ramifications and outcomes that came with other peoples plans for me, whoops
Stay strong, Jon. For the kids.
Sediments by Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator at 9:17 AM
968 sediments (sic) from readers:
chefsummer #Leh said...
I never thought he'd make his public lets she how Kate's lovers act now.
Once a Viewer said...
What a sweet photo! Jon is always very physically affectionate with the kids.
Thanks Admin for announcing the new post- sometimes I just minimize your site and don't realize there's a new one up!:)
Tala said...
From the previous post:
"Have you noticed the only family members she talks about that just loved her and she loves are dead?"
Admin, I had actually noticed that.
My favorite of Jon. If I had a way to get it to him, I would frame it nicely and send it to him. Is that a Pap photo, I wonder. It speaks volumes. He is holding onto to them for dear life. I have always been a Jon fan and loved the show when he was there. Loved his interactions with the kids and the way he took care of them. The girls' hair was always so smooth and shiny. The show was never the same after he left Big mistake, TLC, you drank the Kool-Aid. Sorry much?
From previous post:
Admin said:
"Have you noticed the only family members she talks about that just loved her and she loves are dead?"
Good point, Admin.
Seven years ago, Kate's grandfather may have been able to say "you're doing a good job, honey". The tups were barely a year old and the lure of fame and fortune hadn't as yet started the family on its downward spiral. If he'd had an opportunity to witness his granddaughter's behaviour since then, he might not be as supportive.
Personally I hope Jon can continue staying strong....nothing about the kids, the past, or Kate. And I really hope he just ignores the unpleasant comments on twitter..
.and everwhere else.
For a short while he deserved them...but he hasn't deserved them for quite a while. She deserves far worse, but never seems to get them.
He had started to turn around his reputation....don't blow it now.
I don't do twitter but I looked at Jon's account last night. For those of you who twitter, please ask him to stay classy and that he doesn't have to keep responding to people. That's what got him in trouble after the split. I saw a lot of foul and defensive replies from him and that has to stop so the public will have more respect for him. I don't want the flood gates to hurt him. I wish a spin doctor would step in NOW! He needs some help with this!
Jon's a good Dad said...
I think the boys will end up with Jon. Because Kate will not be able to handle them as they go into teenage years. Even the girls may turn and run to Daddy to. I would Kate's a control freak.
One of Kate's butt kisser on twitter needs to ask her where is her extra interview is.
And why hasn't it been posted I would love to hear her answer that.
Great photo but that's Jon's brother Mark.
Kate's a has been said...
Why does the media even care about Kate? she's not famous and her ship sank when her TV show was cancelled.
KontrolfreakKate said...
Good God. A couple of sheeple are throwing themselves on the cross begging Jon for forgiveness. Their fellow sheep aren't going to like that.
Looks like he and Ellen broke up. I hope that isn't what is causing all the twitter anger.
Glad to know her grandfather was an important part of her life. When realizing that, why doesn't she include her parents in the children's lives so that they will have happy memories of their grandparents?
Jon just got verified with twitter that's why he was on private so long.
Katie Cry-duh said...
bm, EXACTLY!!! Kate keeps crowing about making memories and her kids are deprived of the most basic ones, like extended family.
Now that Jon has gone 'public', I hope he continues to exercise restraint so as not to cause harm to the children who will undoubtedly be aware some day of all the nastiness which has become public regarding their conception and employment by TLC.
Isn't she just one big ball of irony? She's gone on about a grandpa, grandma and a great aunt. But she won't let the kids have anyone like that!
If they're dead they can't say anything bad about her.
Angela how do you know that's his brother? His brother is a bigger guy, I'm pretty sure that's Jon.
she doesn't want her family around because. They don't agree with Kate pimping her kids out.
Angela is probably Sage. She was pretending to be an insider not too long ago.
That is Jon in the pic. You can tell by the back of his head and his short legs.
Well, whoever the guy is in the photo, the kids clearly love him. Never ever ever see any similar affection between them and their mom.
Well, whoever is in the photo, it show the kids do have a strong relationship with Jon's family. There may be some nice shots from the tups' 5th birthday- remember Alexis hugging & kissing him so hard?
I agree with everyone...please Jon, stay the way the kids need you to be. It must have been so hard watching them under' Kate's roof' and care and to see them on the show without him, the milestones he missed...he was much more of a hands-on dad than most fathers can be, and he was great at it, from bathing, feeding, playing, teaching, loving...not like their mother. I hope he gets to see Mady's play.
She makes everything else up why not conversations with deceased relatives. The dear man is probably spinning in his grave right now over the 'job' she's doing.
Kate is not right in the head.
Permanent Name said...
What does "verified in Twitter" mean?
overthehill said...
kate gosselins so called friends.dead relatives
LaLaLandNoMore said...
Kate used Jon, plain and simple. This is such a sad story. Lying to the children when they had that fake wedding in Hawaii was just horribly horrendous. Those kids love Jon. Too bad their mother didn't.
I agree, TLC drank the kool-aid. Must have tasted terribly bitter at the end.
Susantoyota said...
As long as he keeps the kids out of it, which he obviously has, I don't see a thing wrong with this public twitter account or talking to PR people. For all we know he could be considering speaking engagements about being a single dad, the dangers of reality tv, co-parenting, etc. Things that are hardly slimy. He might be able to do some real good here
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Had to bring this over from the other thread. I am so in agreeance:) with you, Administrator. As long as Jon continues to show restraint and stays classy, I could see people hiring him for speaking engagements and maybe a commercial or two. In a lot of ways, his current reputation is so much better thatn Katie Irene's and if he stuck to areas which he knows something about, unlike Katie Irene whose 'expertise' on running, couponing, etc. changes with the wind he would be a good spokesman.
I would like to see something like that happen for Jon since Katie Irene kept most of the money and improverished him to some extent. He could maybe rebuild his finances and put some aside for the children as we know Katie Irene is hell bent on spending the children's money. Also, wouldn't it be a hoot to see him on TV and imagine Katie Irene's head spinning around? Sometimes the best revenge is just doing well and I think Jon has in many areas.
Let's all hope that Dr.Drew was and will be the last time we see Kate on TV.
Not to mention, he's just going to have dinner with an old PR friend. From what I can tell from the twitter account the PR person invited HIM. You're allowed to reconnect with old friends. I'm sure he's met a lot of people in the business. I have dinner with my friend who is a doctor sometimes, it doesn't mean I have any interest in trying to break into the medical field.
LaLaLand, I think that TLC provided a lot of the kool-aid.
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I doubt it. Eileen O'Neill got a couple of nice promotion$ during the run, TLC made lot$ of money. That's all it about. When ratings began to fall they cancelled show, onward and downward to the next puke fest.
I think TLC MADE the kool-aid and it tasted so good Kate got addicted.
Paige opened a new twitter account to apologize to Jon for things she said in the past. I've been reading his tweets and a ton of names I recognize from the few times I read kate's page really stand out. its the same handful. It's weird how kates "fans" are flocking to Jon's page trying to get his attention.
Guess after the Milo favoritism the sheep are wandering around looking for attention from another Gosselin.
Permanent Name said... 27
This means that Twitter has confirmed that it's really the person they claim to be...so you can be assured, it's not a "fake" person pretending to be Jon Gosselin.
I've read rumors that Facebook may be heading in that direction, as well... so you will know that people are really who they are claiming to be.
I'm not sure of the process someone has to go through to become verified - as I'm not a celebrity and don't really need to be verified!
Crazy people said...
I don't have twitter. People sock and attack others its so immature.
AuntieAnn said... 35
Does TLC make organic kool-aid.?
Kate is a twit said...
I think that some of the "fans" are being nice to Jon, because they hope he will step up and tell his followers to stop being mean to Kate.
Basically, they're saying "see we can be nice to you, what can't your fans be nice to Kate?"
I don't think this foray into public Twitter is going to end well for Jon.
chefsummer said... 39
lol! I don't know. Is cyanide an organic substance?
#40 - I thought that for a minute..but then I dont see them being that smart.
And I found it strange that Paige used another twitter acct to contact Jon. It kind of gives creedance to the theory of the Cara Twitter poster being her. I didn't realize she would have more than one twitter acct.
It's so cute how the die-hard Katie fans are stumbling all over each other to ask for Jon's forgiveness for their prior mean-spirited comments about him now that his Twitter is public. Two-faced much?
It's like a mad rush to push each other out of the way to try and control the tone of things. Soon Milo will be there pointing out false rumors to him, too. lol
And no...I don't have a Twitter account. But I love reading the mayhem and stupidity.
Anonymous said... 43
If Jon had her blocked when she used her regular account name he wouldn't see her apology so she made a new account and identified herself so he would see it.
You just can't make this stuff up.
It's just proof how unstable some of these people are.
I think Paige used another account so that Kate and her twitter buddies wouldn't see it on her regular twitter page. And yes, she does have several other twitter accounts to tweet about things other than Kate.
Some of the fans are also warning Jon about certain "haters". Maybe they think if they're nice, he'll listen to them.
Tweet-le, you're probably right about why Paige used that account. I totally forgot that Jon probably had her blocked.
aggiemom09121416 said...
It's interesting that the much-talked-about TLC contractual obligations were to end in March 2012, and just last week Kate was sighted in the TLC headquarters town in MD..then a few days later Jon's twitter can be finally verified and be public.
Coincidence? I don't think so.....
There was earlier discussion concerning Jon possibly doing speaking engagements concerning single parenthood, reality tv, ect... IF he did this, it could possibly go into the gray area of possibly exploiting the kids.. (if he was talking about what the show did to him or the kids, then that is using the kids to make money). And that is what Kate is skewered for every day.
If he did that type of work, he would have to be oh so careful, the mere mention of the kids would make him no better than Kate.
This will be interesting to see how these two parents react to whatever has developed within the past week concerning the MD visit.
Winsomeone said...
If Jon were to make any money from an ad etc., Kate would just haul him into court and the judge would make him give it to her for the kids. His divorce settlement from her was supposedly put into escrow, and he had to make the support payments from it. When it was gone, only then did he get the amount of support reduced. That judge sure is in her pocket for some odd reason.
I think if JOn discussed the damage the show did to him and the kids that it wouldn't be exploiting the kids at all. i see it as a cautionary tale. As long as he is not discussing their current situation, dosen't disclose their personal meltdowns and behavioral problems in detail..then I'm ok with it. People need to know what reality shows really do to families. Very few people come out unscathed from these shows.
My opinion only
I am one of those who is worried about this new development with Jon and Twitter. I hope there is someone who reads here and is a friend of his that can talk to him. If he starts showing anger towards some and talking nasty he will ruin everything. I can't even begin to imagine how hard it has been for him to keep quiet all this time when Kate is constantly bashing him BUT the freedom he now has on Twitter is not the way to make up for it.
If someone is mean just ignore them and block them.
They are purposely trying to make him angry and look bad. Also, if some of Kate's fans are now all of a sudden on his side I would be very suspicious that they aren't playing some kind of a game.
Winsomeone said... 50
I don't agree that he would have to turn over ALL of any payment from an ad, speaking engagement, etc. Maybe a certain percentage as child support is based on a parent's income. He could also structure any payment for that type of work to be put in a trust that neither he nor she could touch. Plus she would have to file and pay lawyers herself, since TLC is out of the picture, and she might consider his earnings too mediocre to pursue if it was only a few speaking engagements, etc. each year.
EM,
Thanks for your thoughts, I just think if he did something like this, it could be construed as exploitation...depends on which way you look at it. If he starts saying how if affected the kids adversely, then that is talking about the kids..
The sheeple would say he is making money talking about the kids, yet they see no wrong with Kate doing it.
The only thing I agree with Kate is on her statement is that they can never go back. These two parents will forever be known for that little reality show..same for the kids. Saying that, if he wants the privacy he says he wants, then why be on twitter, and why make it public? That doesn't make sense to me. He can't have it both ways, imo.
Anonymous said think if JOn discussed the damage the show did to him and the kids that it wouldn't be exploiting the kids at all. i see it as a cautionary tale. As long as he is not discussing their current situation, dosen't disclose their personal meltdowns and behavioral problems in detail..then I'm ok with it. People need to know what reality shows really do to families. Very few people come out unscathed from these shows. My opinion only.
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I totally agree. If he were to keep it very general without discussing the current situation with the children and the harridan ex-wife, it would be a great cautionary tale for the public.
If Jon were to write a book, solely on his experience working in reality television, you know, not including stories about the kids or anything but just about him and how things happened through his eyes. What it did to him as a person, maybe even his marriage and how it changed the circumstances of his life.
One, it would get more of an audience and for fun, awe heck, it would drive Kate up the walls and out of her McMansion probably. She's "written" all the other books and so forth. Says she has a book in the works or whatever, like I believe it. I just think it be great and would give Jon a stage, a voice without maybe venting on Twitter.
readerlady said...
Aggiemom -- I think if Jon would say "Being on reality TV caused child XYZ to develop these problems and child ABC to do this", then that could(and should) be construed as invading the kids' privacy and as exploiting them. However, my personal feeling is that if he keeps it general and doesn't mention a specific child, then it's not exploitative. He's in the unique position of being able to warn others who may be considering going down the same path, of the pitfalls and dangers involved. If he can spare others the same pain he's gone through the past few years, then IMO, it's worth the risk.
Wasn't Jon's Twitter feed public initially, then he took it private a year or so ago?
Well, if he did public speaking, and that's a big IF, say he said one kid started doing some sort of behavior, etc, it may or may not be easy for the public to know which child he was talking about.
If he only talked about how it affected HIM, then that's fine.
I'm just saying there is a very big gray area.
Even within just the few of us discussing it right now, (and logically and respectfully, btw :) ), there are a lot of different opinions.
Kate's camp would definitely see it as using the kids to make money; because if he wasn't famous for having all these kids, we never would have heard of him.
He would have to be so very careful, imo.
Thanks everyone for the respectful different opinions. Very refreshing!! :)
Kate's camp would definitely see it as using the kids to make money; because if he wasn't famous for having all these kids, we never would have heard of him. 58
The same is true of Kate, and she has never STOPPED talking about their children.
Apples and oranges, I know. :)
totally agree #58. As long as he sticks to general..my kids felt pressured, I hated the lack of control over my life etc it will be fine.
I dont think Jon would ever give specific examples even if he didnt name the kids. I absolutely hated to hear about kate's latest book of letter to her kids. It was such personal info. Same as her people mag interview about the divorce where she said Cara crumpled to the floor. JUST AWFUL.
I trust JOn has learned his lesson and can handle speaking without bringing his kids into it...but only time will tell.
It's all most been six months since Kate plus 8 was kicked off Tv.
I want to see if Steve will still be traveling with Kate esp for the cruise in August.
Both Katie Irene and Jon are famous, or infamous depending on how you look at it, for having a large family of 1/4 Asian multiples--twins and sextuplets. In Katie Irene's case, that is almost all she is famous for as her attempts to make it in show business have faded due to her narcissistic behavior. She continues to use the children as her claim to fame in order to market herself as an AMAZING Mom and she uses Jon as well in order to take her crying shtick onto the talk shows. Jon, on the other hand, has been more of a private person and is making his living in a "mediocre" job.
Think of it as opposing debaters--one believes there is nothing wrong with her behavior and the effect the reality show has had on the children and the other has a different perspective due to his experiences while in the same situation. As long as Jon does not sink to Katie Irene's level of trash talking and throwing her under the bus while sharing HIS observations and HIS experiences in a general way, he could do well as a public speaker and/or crusader for reform of the reality show genre. Or maybe partner with Paul Peterson.
#54 - my take on Jon wanting privacy is this..
He wants to not be harassed for the past but understands he will for a while. I think he wants to be on social media like everyone else..and is finally feeling strong enough to face the bullshit head-on and get it over with. Im sure he hopes that after the initial frenzy, and everyone gets their beef out that then they will stop and he can finally feel ok joining the general public.
I do, however, question of the contract finally ended and that why he chose to go public..but I also assume he wouldn't do it if he didnt feel ready. 2 years is a long time to reflect on your choices. He even said in a tweet he regrets letting others make decisions for him and for not accepting and owning that he had a choice and that anything that has happened to him was by his choice in default. It sounds mature and reflective.
Now, Im sure he does need a bit of money, is smart enough to know its out there for him, and probably wants it..TIme will tell if he gets lured in again by the trappings..but he seems past all that and in my opinion will be able to go about his time in a public differently.
and if he doesn't...then I will not support him. Until then, I'm gonna give him a chance..he's earned it. I'm huge on people owning their behavior.
BTW, I totally see what you are saying tho, and I have those same fears deep down. Jon has come so far in the public eye in the last few months. AND IT TOOK YEARS TO GET HERE! I'd hate to see lose the respect he has built up by "talking too much"
Jumping In said...
Jon has been silent for 3 years, and that has to have been very difficult for him. Obviously, he has a lot of pent-up emotion, and no push-back from Ellen now that he is alone. The instant gratification Twitter can provide him must be overwhelmingly tempting, but he cannot, should not take the bait Kate's fans will be throwing at him moment to moment, literally.
Sure, he's frustrated, but there are credible ways to share his side of the story. There are many who would read with interest how fame tore his family apart. He does not have to discuss his children, just the effect this has had on him, how it has changed him, and how he is moving forward. He should call Good Housekeeping and NOT Radar Online!
My advice to Jon Gosselin, don't waste your time swatting away at Twitter bugs, put your story out in a proactive way not a reactive one. Stay strong, and don't allow yourself to get sucked back in to the drama of Kate.
64 good advice
Ex Nurse said...
Unlike Kate, Jon actually has some marketable skills in the entertainment field, that do not require child exploitation. He made a spoof video, called "Jon Gosselin Goes Back In Time", on a site called funnyordie.com. None of the links work now--they are marked as "private"--maybe someone on twitter can ask him for a link that works. I won't say what the video was about, on the off chance that someone can find a working link. It was really funny, very clever and he demonstrated perfect comic timing. If he really is a free agent now, it wouldn't surprise me if he was able to make a much better living in entertainment than Kate's mediocre job as a blogger and professional grifter. If so, he can thank Kate for keeping him relevant!
Second to the obvious warmth that he demonstrates with his kids, his ability to make fun of himself is one of his most endearing qualities--and one that Kate sorely lacks. Compared to Kate's stiff rendition of herself as supermom on the Leno spoof, his video was Oscar-worthy.
Although, now that I think about it, she did do a very convincing portrayal of herself as a deranged milk maid on the Emmys.
richsmom said...
JonWrite a tell all book. She has shown no restraint in bashing you and the kids will see those on the internet someday, so why take the high road? She is a piece of garbage. Tell what she was like and how much worse she really was than the cameras depicted. Do it Jon. She cheated on you first and became obsessed with chasing fame and the almighty dollar.
I don't really see how Jon could write a tell-all book without either mentioning the children or bashing Kate...I would love to read it in a way though...just to hear how things REALLY were. Isn't Jon's name on Multiple Blessings as co-author/ with Kate and Beth Carson?
I am pretty sure, even it seems hard, if he got a good editor to tone down the possible bashing. There might be a way to leave the kids out, generally I would think if you write things from just your point of view it involves less side stories.
And I necessarily wouldn't call it bashing Kate if what he wrote was his experience and his own truth. Be kind of hard for Kate to cry foul since it's all over TLC with her behavior and all anyway.
Elaine Robinson said...
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...Angela how do you know that's his brother? His brother is a bigger guy, I'm pretty sure that's Jon.
Should't the photo have been verified before it was put up there?
ncgirl said...
It would be nice if Jon could write a tell all book, but I don't want to the kids to be hurt. It'd be funny if he became more successful than Kate in future celebrity endeavors as long as the kids are left out of it. That would be sweet karma.
Elaine, the photo was from a bunch of Jon and the kids a couple years ago. It never crossed my mind it wasn't Jon. There's no proof that's his brother.
Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said...
For the love of God, can't Kate look up what an ice bath is for before she makes herself look so stupid with her reply? I thought she was a runner. Why oh why did they feature her in RW if she can't figure this stuff out? Don't forget the feature title, "I'm a Runner". Anyone who is a 'runner' knows about ice baths or jumping in the ocean after a long run. Unbelievable twit.
richsmom said... 67
That's just what the kids need after all they have been through - their father writing about the bad and the ugly and bashing their mother in print. Great legacy for them, good reading for them when they get older. Don't take the high road, just stoop to her level.
I agree Jon could write a tell all book without hurting Kate or the kids. It can be about the mistakes they made and what TLC did to them. It's an important story that needs to be told. The kids only need be involved in so far as the discussion of how they got screwed. There is no need to tell personal stories about them to make that point like Kate loves to do. If anything that might help them for future reference when they sue for their money down the road. They will sue, make no mistake. Some of them anyway.
Is she saying she hasn't even HEARD of ice baths?
How can she in one breath say she wants to help fat people and in the other be so ignorant?
Sheeple would be better off talking to some minimum wage kid at a 24 hour fitness than talking to her.
Marie, it's true it wouldn't be unfounded bashing, but I guess what I was thinking was that the kids might read it and maybe they have memories of things differently, as the tups anyway were so young...I don't know what purpose it would serve other than public curiosity to have Jon tell his side although he's entitled to do so. And yes, I would read it! Also it might make Kate's 'fans' take up arms and keep her in the wounded martyr spotlight. Idk, I see your point too.
(I wonder if TLC took down many of the whole -show YouTube videos?)
Rhymes with Witch said...
Is she saying she hasn't even HEARD of ice baths? 76
I'm not a runner and don't even play one on tv, but even I have heard of ice baths.
As for Jon writing a book, I say go for it as long as it discusses the pitfalls of being on a reality TV show. There aren't any books on the subjects published, that I know of. Once the book is published he could make the talk show circuit, thus making money. Nobody understands better than someone who has gone through something so difficult. Yes, I agree, he is treading in difficult waters. But I also believe he would be providing a service to other young starry-eyed couples who get sucked into TV without understand the consequences. Let me back up, only Jon was starry-eyed young and stupid, Kate was, well, Kate planned it all.
Of the two Jon has the smarts, been smacked around by a TV network and has come out the otherside. I believe with the right guidance and maturity on the subject, Jon could do a good job.
Gift of grab said...
I do not believe for one second that the most rabid Kate fans are contacting him for any reason other than to bait him into saying something stupid. If he lashes out, he looks bad, every bit as much as Kate so frequently does. If he has to be public on Twitter, I hope he keeps it light and doesn't allow anyone to engage him in any sort of debate (unless, of course, he knows the source). The comments of people like milo in places other than Twitter more than suggest they hope to hang him high if he puts a foot "wrong"--remember how much of what anyone says is open to interpretation, we have all been guilty of that even here to some extent. I hope this is a positive move for him, but if it were me I would be treading very carefully.
Beautiful photo of Jon and his daughters.
Where is Gosselin Give Back? said... 73
For the love of God, I thought she was a runner. Why oh why did they feature her in RW if she can't figure this stuff out? Don't forget the feature title, "I'm a Runner". can't Kate look up what an ice bath is for before she makes herself look so stupid with her reply?Anyone who is a 'runner' knows about ice baths or jumping in the ocean after a long run. Unbelievable twit.
Kate doesn't have to look up what an ice bath is for before she Tweets a reply.
She has her sheeple do mediocre stuff like that for her.
Wasn't that a pap photo? Why would they take a picture of Jon's brother. I believe it Jon just by the kids' reaction.
I think it's just a shit-stirrer. There was a pap photo of his brother once and his build was completely different.
Plus most kids don't hug an uncle that sentimentally. That's their daddy.
85. that was my thought too.
Jon always seemed like a friendly person, never stuck on his fame. He never seemed like the type to look down on people. He always seemed like the type of guy who would go out and have a beer with the President or a maintenance person. It wouldn't matter to him as long as they were a nice person. That is why I think Jon would be friendly with someone in PR, in housekeeping, a lawyer, a grounds keeper, whatever. It wouldn't matter to him.
Kate, on the other hand, was always way too upity. She looked down on everyone, except for Steve.
PJ's momma said...
Gift of grab, I think you nailed it. I think he's being baited. I don't think anything good will come of this, EXCEPT if he shows restraint and discusses nothing but lighthearted, mundane stuff like other twitter users do. That'll show how stupid and mean Kate really is. But I wish he'd kept it private, especially after so many declarations that he wants to live a private life.
Gosselin Gossip said...
From pap photos in Oct. 2009:
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/JBpw_Cymlvg/Jon+Gosselin+Playing+Kids/Ntx3na6XZa5
http://www.celebuzz.com/2009-10-11/jon-gosselin-plays-with-his-kids/jon-gosselin-is-seen-outside-playing-15-2/
GosselinGossip thanks for finding those!
Shit stirrer, why shit stir? There are the photos right there, and they're of Jon, not his brother.
What say you now, sheeple said...
Credit o Jibber Jabbers.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbyduo_jon-gosselin-belieive-it-or-not-a-m_people
@xxxxxx I hate my fridge and pantry its all kid food, too many temptations here. btwn the cereal and snacks, this is not a dieting house
YEA! SOMEONE'S FEEDING THEM. Jon mentioned he bought Klondike Bars for them. Bet $100 he doesn't cut them into portions.
Gosselin Gossip, thx for link to pix. There are a lot that show Kate and kids being filmed by TLC. If you haven't seen photos of them being filmed before, it is shocking to realize just how invasive the cameras are even when they're doing something as simple as walking down the street. How horrible it must have been to live like that and to never have a choice of saying, NO, I don't want to DO this today!
Jon Gosselin
Just curious, favorite childhood ice cream snack. Can be anything, traveling down memory lane tonight, careful not to expose your age
Amazing answers, Man the power of twitter, everyone go out and enjoy.remember your childhood, forget about whats right just go get your fav
hey jude said...
How very odd that a nurse and marathon runner, te he, doesn't know what an ice bath is.Ask the kids Kate, they are smarter than you. Pity.
Jon Gosselin:
Shout out to my boys in NYC @mattyktalent @mikehellertr @talentresources been a long time
Mike Heller was Jon's manager during the divorce and TLC breach-of-contract lawsuit in 2009. Jon, Michael Lohan, and he were pitching a Divorced Dads reality show.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-11-23/gossip/17938357_1_jon-gosselin-tape-michael-heller
http://www.inquisitr.com/31470/jon-gosselin-michael-lohan-pitching-divorced-dads-reality-show/
He is also the son of Jon's former attorney (during the divorce and TLC lawsuit), Mark Jay Heller.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/entertainment/091709_Jon_Gosselin_lawyer
All eggs in one basket? said...
From what I can tell from the twitter account the PR person invited HIM. You're allowed to reconnect with old friends.
What if Kate did it? What would be said here? Is this blog going to turn into a Defend Jon To The Death thing?
I hope all your faith in this 'average' guy doesn't get shot to hell in a handbasket. Because it's certainly on it's way there.
Kate does this kind of stuff all the time. Jon doesn't. That's the difference.
If Jon changes, maybe our opinion will change. His picture is still on the banner. But right now a mountain has been made out of a molehill over simply opening up a twitter account. We'll see if he sticks to his word to keep things for the kids private.
Hi, everyone.Just wanted to let you know I am ok, except for the bruises and lack of sleep and effects of hospital food, etc.I just can't sleep in there! So glad to be home again.Thanks for the positive vibes and prayers, it means a lot.
No answers yet, but getting closer,I hope.Looks like I missed some exciting times here, the number of posts is amazing.Off to bed again, I'm supposed to be on bedrest, but needed to see what I missed.
Hi, Teresa! Wanted to let you know that I am so happy I found this blog, some of the nicest people I've met on-line are here. Talk to you in the next few days, got some reading to do here, wow.... Sorry, Admin. -OT.
hey jude, thanks for the update! Wonderful to see you hanging in there and seeing your posts reminds me to keep praying. Hope all turns out well. Be good to yourself and take care!
(No apologies are necessary; many of your friends here will be thrilled to see a post from you!)
Love you Jude, please get well soon. Miss your sweet and funny posts.
Hi Jude :o)
It's so nice to see you're back. Rest and be well. This place is not whole without you.
Hey Jude--Glad to see you back!
Thanks Gosselin Gossip for the link to the photos from zimbio, they are quite moving. Funny, for all the time Kate says she spends with her kids we never see anything close to those.
Jon didn't change, he just went back to being himself. It was Kate who changed into a greedy orange pumpkin.
SD Vacay said...
I think karma rules!
Twitter is for those with a middle school mentality.
Jon, and other have lost all respect by using this form of social media to avoid real life interactions.
barbee said...
rest up, Jude. Glad we'll have your comments back.
Admin, I won't play into that deleted comment from the shit stirrer, but I have to ask... Do you ever feel like you're in an ocean on a liferaft smack dab in the middle of a school of sharks? lol.
For Schitts & Giggles said...
Mommy issues abound in the G world.
These women are CHOOSING to be the least they can be in order to play in this sewer.
I used to think they had a chance.
I'll never understand why the sheep think Jon abandoned kate. Dont they remember anything from his last season? Saying he didnt want to film. Kate saying she loved it and it was her career. Jon being gone and at his mom's helping her with broken foot? That was all before the pap photos of him with the teacher. And then Kate herself said eventually SHE ended the marriage plus she filed. What is it about the situation that made everyone fans think he ran off? I can see why general public thought that from kate's answers on interviews..but fans? How could u miss it? kate had checked out of that marriage once the implants were in.
I'll never understand why the sheep think Jon abandoned kate. Dont they remember anything from his last season?
EM - don't even try to understand their reasoning it will only frustrate you. They're in the same category as the people who think Elvis is alive.
hey Jude - I'm glad you are OK and back home. Please take care. We have missed you.
Does anyone remember on the episode where they got the dogs? Maddy was crying because she wanted to be the on to pick out the dog. When asked why she said "I want one that will only love me". I found that very telling about how she felt in the family dynamics. It broke my heart.
Did anyone notice in the episode of getting the dogs, Maddy was crying and when asked why she stated she wanted on that would love only her.
To me that spoke volumes on how she felt in the dynamics. It broke my heart.
Can anyone tell me what is up with Kate's Paige? Is she being conniving or sincere?
oops, one
I just got to thinking. Do you think that Jon couldn't be verified for so long because the contract was in effect? It's Feb. Maybe he had a gag order for twitter when TLC was taking him to court.
aggiemom09121416 said... 49
It's interesting that the much-talked-about TLC contractual obligations were to end in March 2012,
That's what I get for not reading before I post. Silly me. Sorry aggiemom09121416 said... 49
brocktodd said...
I would like to say that I think Ellen and Jons breaking up is coincidentally close to his TLC contract ending. Possible Jon unfortunately is free now to sell out his kids for a price with his ex wife and Ellen didnt agree with his decision to get back out in the public. Sorry to say despite what he said, I think he agreed to let the twins go on the cruise for a PRICE. Hes probably tired of kate making all the money off them and hes just going to join in. I hope I am wrong.
So Kate has a photo on twitter of the party-for-Mady-spread. A cake with "break a leg" on it. Wow. Setting her up for the big league already. It's a school play for crying out loud. Well, it's nice I guess that mom is so proud of her daughter. I was thinking that if Kate thought Mady's friends would want to come over and bask in Mady's glow with her, she's an idiot. This kind of thing is reserved for family only. Well, Kate and the 8 that is. There is no other family. School friends that age don't want to celebrate Mady's 'high achievement' award. That little party is for the 9 of them and no one else. If some parent asked me to come over to celebrate little Suzie's star performance, I would dislike that parent immediately and wonder what the hell is wrong with them.
Since Kate apparently has trust issues with other women, I highly doubt she has any friends that would want to come over and celebrate Kate's little protege with her as per her earlier twat. No offence Mady. Maybe with mom's help you will have a good crack at Broadway one day.
I'm not the only one who thinks it's completely weird that to celebrate just about every thing that happens in her life or her kids life with a party? Not just birthdays, but since her divorce from Jon, more particular since her split with TLC she's had parties for Super Bowl, school preferences, for her running a marathon. Maybe a few others I've missed. But come on. Really? Having small parties with just the 9 of them...really sort of well, takes all the fun out of having parties for special occasions.
Hate to say it, but not every little thing you or your kids might do deserves a party, does it?
To those of you who are parents and have kids I'm sorry if this comes off as rude but I don't have any kids yet so forgive me because I really don't see the point in having cake and party dip for every small thing out there. To me, for the big occasions, when your kids turn 5 and start school, turn 13, 16, maybe for something special like...oh I don't know...your kids school graduation or whatever.
Most of all...strange how Kate said she never has time to photograph memories and that is why she also went with TLC and now she takes pictures of just about everything she does, but mostly it's pictures of her food stuffs.
I think it's nice Kate celebrated Mady's accomplishment.
I think it's too bad she creates such an ordinary display of food when she's trying to be known as a homemaking maven.
#110 AuntieAnn - duly noted :0)
AND NJ - I agree about Mady and the dog. I felt that too.
One more thing. For f**k's sake Kate, quit saying everything is amazing. Between all the yays!!!! and amazings, and typicallys, I want to poke my eyes out. You are overusing that word too much and it makes you appear like a moron with a very limited vocabulary.
I'm willing to bet Kate's "party" spread was actually the kids' dinner.
I am blanking now on another celeb who said I just want to love my kids for who they are not what they do. I love that.
I too think Kate's spread is laughable, with as much as she brags about being super-mommy and how the people are orgasmic over it all. Chips in a bowl, a store-bought cake (I expected it to say 'thank you mommy for having Mady'), a shrimp ring from the store (more Gosselin plastic to add to the landfill) and crepe paper? I wouldn't be bragging about that.
But I do think it's nice that she recognized her daughter's achievement. Too bad she couldn't keep it private.
Hey Jude,
Welcome back!! Resting at home is much better than at a hospital, better food, too :)
I think it's nice Kate is celebrating Mady's play. It would have been nicer if she had invited the entire cast of the play- I know there are usually cast and crew parties and Kate's house would have been a nice venue to hold theirs.
Jon'r Twitter and coming out now- I am glad he is no longer silent. I think he should speak up for himself. I also agree with the other posters that a tell all book (or interviews) about the 'reality' of reality TV would be welcomed. People should know how the industry works, and how the public is fooled, and maybe it will finally end. There's lessons to be learned from all of this. (hope I got all the typos this time)
I am sorry if someone already stated this but i find it interesting Jon tweeted Heller and the talent agency. Maybe the contract is over an any non compete agreement is no longer valid . I agree with others here that I hope he does the right thing. I love to read here. Posters are very smart and accepting of other opinions. Thank you admin for this great site.
Save8FromEvilKate said...
As far as that story goes about Kate being in Maryland on 2/23 I guess it could be possible. She wouldn't have been coming back from the Dr. Drew and Extra taping though as that was taped, what, about a month ago? So, if she were there it more than likely would have something to do with TLC. Or am I missing something? I doubt she was visiting family lol Isn't it Jon that has family in Maryland?
As far as Jon's twitter, who cares. Lots of people have twitter, I don't hold anything against him for that. I don't hold anything against him aside from maybe the Ed Hardy t-shirts! He probably did have a touch of PTSD at the end of their relationship and my opinion is that he full well deserved to let loose for awhile and have some fun after being cooped up with that witch, dealing with her bs and taking care of the kids. It's obvious he didn't mind being with the kids, unlike her, but the rules he and the kids had to follow just to have fun! What mother in her right mind would be pissed off about a Dad having fun with his kids? Only Kate and her fans. He wasn't hiding anything, unlike Kate who had her boyfriend hidden above the garage, or was he in the basement?
A tell all about TLC or reality TV in general wouldn't be a bad idea. I would love for someone to spill all about kate's nastiness, but I know he wouldn't do that because of the kids. Amy2 #49 I agree and would love him doing the talk show circuits for the book and oooh that would make Kate even more insane which would make me very happy! I'm evil in my hate for her & what she does tonight and I don't care!
As far as the filiming goes, I bet he would take it back if he could, probably had no idea what he was getting into. He would also make a great talk show guest. Kelly Ripa should have him co-host! He's a likeable guy, funny, caring and could give a hell of a lot better parenting tips than kate. He took and takes more care of them more than she ever has. Good rule of thumb, whatever Kate does, do the opposite.
If you ever come around here Jon, best of luck and watch out for those sheeple. I don't think they can be trusted anymore than kate can.
Kate doesn't even know what an ice bath is but she was a nurse and is a runner. lol She really knows nothing about anything aside from grifting and exploiting kids. How sick she even claimed stupid about the pedophile involved with the show and even more sick, she didn't seem to care.
My insomnia is getting the best of me and I'm getting a migraine so I apologize in advance for not proofreading this mess of a post. I did notice there are way too many "as far as" is, as far asses? Not too many asses, only Kate haha, ok, I'm losing it :)
I really hope Jon dosent fall into the twitter bs.Many are going to try and bait him...to piss him off to get a bad responce so they can post it everywhere.But being quiet for years has got to be tough.
Take a minute and breathe Jon before you jump.Talk to people you can trust...and then...go for it.
As for writing a book? Hell yeah! I think Jon can write a book that will expose the truth to alot of things.All the lies that have been told he can correct. I dont think his book will hurt the kids.The kids have LIVED this..they KNOW the truth and know who is telling the truth.I think it would do them great to know that someone....thier dad did try to help them.The TRUTH wouldnt be anything new to them.
As long as Jon isnt saying things like...this kid pissed me off because...or this kid wet his pants til the age of....this kids is mean..this kid isnt normal because ...ect ect.
Jon has been made out to be the villan for many years now.He has been drug through the mud.He has been blamed for hurting the kids cause he he wanted a normal life for the kids and stopped the show.Yes....we know Jon was game in the beginning....BUT he was the one who said enough! So it was clear he knew it got out of control and he just wanted thier normal lives back.For that,he was made out to be a deadbeat shitty dad. I think he has every right to defend himself now that the "gloves are off".
This isnt going to hurt the kids.Like I said...they have lived this and they already know.I'm not saying he needs to call kate a bitch or anything like that.He just needs to give his side.Why did this happen or this...cause he had no say.
And if he makes money off the book? I could care less.He wouldnt be making money off the kids...he would be making money from telling HIS story. Reality shows gone bad. Again....so what if he makes a little money...kate made 150 grand off the kids for how many years? Jon got how much of that? They are his kids too right? The one thing that we will see from Jon that we will never see from kate is...Jon would spend some of that money on the kids. That is if kate dosent find a way to take it away from him. Hey Jon...get a person you can trust to write it for you and split the money.
Sorry so long but this just gets me going.
As for kate praising Mady? Please...Mady is our STAR? Isn't kate still trying to sell whatever kid she can to Disney so she never has to work again?
Thats gotta mean SOOOOO much coming from that grifters mouth!
FL mama said...
I wonder if Kate allowed Jon to go see the play?
Why do I get the feeling the good fairy (helper girl) had that all set up for them when they got home. Who knew KT was such a party animal. If she is so loud in the kitchen can you imagine what she would be like at a party? I agree that is dinner most likely, and the tiny shrimp ring, what's that 2 apiece. Where's the punch bowl? The kids would love that - they could drink their fill.
Whatever Jon decides to do to make a little nest egg for himself and his kids would pale in comparison to what KT has done and will continue to do in the future.
I wonder if Jon was permitted to see his Mady in the school play?
Virginia Pen Mom said...
Welcome back, Hey Jude! Hope you'll continue to be on the mend.
cathy518 said...
I have always been touched by the love and affection Jon shows for his kids. It is this that has kept me hopeful that the children have a chance. I was also respectful that Jon stood up to TLC, he was clearly biting the hand that fed him but he wanted to put an end to his children's exploitation. Recently, something seems to have changed with Jon going public on twitter, and I like others suspect it is because the contract with TLC is finally over. This could mean that Kate will no longer benefit from any of the perks and protection of TLC which could be interesting. The biggest perk that I suspect TLC of providing to Kate for a time after the show has ended it a certain married bodyguard.
I don't see anything Jon as doing so far as reprehensible. He stated clearly that he is not going to discuss the kids on twitter. As far as Jon connecting with the Hellers, I think if he is able to get an income source from his previous without involving the kids, more power to him. I really think he became impoverished after the divorce and it would be great if he could afford a house with permanent bedrooms for the kids. My big worry for Jon is that he is a terrible judge of character. He married Kate which would be exhibit one, he then was with Hailey and Kate Majors, a couple other soulless woman. He even started to pall around with Michael Lohan. The Hellers or at least this lawyer did him no good. I see nothing wrong with him hanging out and having a meal with them but I hope he does not enter any contracts with them,there must be other trustworthy PR firms Jon could connect with. Jon, remember your contract from TLC and what a living hell that was and be careful who you align yourself with!
Last point, I agree with many posters that Kate is furious with Jon because she blames him for ending her show. How she can blame him, I don't get, Kate plus 8 went on without Jon, it just swirled the drain and ended in cancellation.
Maybe neither Kate or Jon should twitter/blog about the kids. At all. Although the whole premise of their show was THE KIDS.
I don't care what either of them do independant of their kids. But since the kids were the base for both of their popularity, I doubt either will be able to sustain any significant popularity without the kids.
Perhaps both of them need to move on and make a life for themselves WITHOUT THE KIDS once and for all, and be responsible parents.
cathy518 said... 135
My big worry for Jon is that he is a terrible judge of character. He married Kate which would be exhibit one, he then was with Hailey and Kate Majors, a couple other soulless woman. He even started to pall around with Michael Lohan. The Hellers or at least this lawyer did him no good. I see nothing wrong with him hanging out and having a meal with them but I hope he does not enter any contracts with them,there must be other trustworthy PR firms Jon could connect with. Jon, remember your contract from TLC and what a living hell that was and be careful who you align yourself with!
I agree. Jon has gone along with some shady PR people in the past. I am hoping he is over and done with this. Although I am skeptical. Leave your children out of this. Enough is enough. Otherwise, he is simply mimicking Kate.
koopdedoo said...
Hey Jude, glad you are back!!
Marie #119: Every family celebrates the kids differently. I would never have had a party BEFORE a performance - kids are too keyed up already.
Butterfly #126: And for inviting the entire cast...they don't live close to their school, there probably is already a cast celebration scheduled @ school. The cast could be really big.
Our elementary school did "Alice in Wonderland" when my youngest was in 5th grade - there had to be 50 kids in the play, not including the chorus that was there for backing up the musical numbers. We had 2 separate casts (4th grade, 5th grade) and 2 separate performances.
I too find it funny that the party is chips, salsa and stuff bought from Giant. Maybe "party" means Mommy doesn't have to cook to the G kids? ;-)
SaraMRN2010 said...
@128 If Jon were to cohost with Kelly Ripa it would probably send Kate over the edge. Especially since she is the one that wants a talk show gig because she has the gift of gab. LOL Oh how I would love to be a fly on that wall when she found out.
I just saw the picture of the party table for STAR Mady, family and friend. It's nice she is celebrating, but I agree it should be private.the spread is not impressive, but if it's for afternoon pre-play I guess it's fine.As another poster said, nothing AMAZING- cake, chips, small amt of salsa, shrimp ring, veggies, dip, a few munchies. I hope this wasn't a meal!!Kate should stop displaying her (lack of) hostess skills and putting these private parties out to the public.
As for Jon, I'm just waiting to see what happens- hopefully nothing. I think the money and 'fame' went to his head, but then he was jerked back to reality and wanted out of the show and the marriage . the constant has been his kids- Kate tires to make him out to be the bad guy, but he has done nothing mean or neglectful to the kids as far as I know. But I hope he also keeps thing private and does not fall for the titter insults or the lure of the entertainment world again.
oo, sorry, lots of typos, hit the button too fast..and I also meant to welcome hey jude back!! :)
Cathy 518 you have expressed my concerns exactly. Jon has had a mediocre life the past few years, once he ended his crazy period and got real. It has to burn watching Kate living like a rock star while he toils away at his two jobs. BUT, this is where the integrity factor kicks in. If he gets back in to the spotlight, where the big bucks are, uses good judgement, keeps his kids out of it, then why not?
The concern is whether or not he has the maturity to handle the freedom money from fame could bring him. His behavior after his split was not the best, (although he can be forgiven after being controlled by Kate for so long). If Jon choose to hop back on the Gosselin brand again, I hope he has a good advisor, stays true to his kids, and does not sell out. Time will tell.
Carezee said...
I just got a look at that "spread" that Kate had for their celebration. I am sorry but there isn't enough salsa and chips etc for the 9 of them. Why wouldn't she fill the bowls with the snacks? Again, it is so she can have portion control. Was this celebration before the play or after? Wouldn't it be nice if she invited Jon to that little celebration? How happy that would have made Maddy.
JudyK said...
It's windy today but sunny... I'll take it.. C'mon spring... I wanna run run run outside and breath the fresh spring air! Happy Sunday all! 31 minutes ago
She wants to go out and "breath" the fresh air...uh, that's "breathE," Kate. What an utter Moron. I've noticed she's made this same mistake many times before. Please don't brag about your spelling and/or grammar prowess EVER AGAIN.
Kudos to Jon...glad he's finally found his voice and not letting anyone manipulate him...in life or on Twitter.
JudyK--Well, at least she didn't say it was a sunny and "georgous" day.
I agree that Jon and Ellen's breakup is suspiciously close to the end of the TLC contract ending. Too bad that Ellen wasted two years of her life investing in him and the kids.
I REALLY hate to see him anywhere around the Hellers. I hold them partially responsible for him being impoverished by TLC. They not only didn't rein in his craziness they escalated it which only made it worse for him in the end.
Good legal advice is not what they gave him.
I had hopes that he had changed, but perhaps not. Maybe there is still some residual kool-aid there.
I so badly want him to be classy, but maybe that's not his real self.
I feel horrible for those kids.
Dom said...
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said... 81
I agree. He always seemed to give his children more genuine affection, cameras seemingly rolling or not.
Kind of sad that Jon's biggest regret isn't putting a price tag on the privacy of his children. His biggest regret is "me" focused.
I agree Jon is the more affectionate parent, but not sure why he needs a public twitter now. With the TLC contract reportedly ending for both Kate and Jon, I am not sure why he would now want to go public. What can be gained from this if he wants to keep his and his kids' life private?
My main concern is the kids, and their privacy.
Totally agree that he truly loves his kids, not just when the camera's on, like Grifty. And they clearly love him.
It's so tempting for him, I would imagine, to want to make more money. It must be hard to have Grifty as the other parent....the one who makes sure that the whole world AND the kids know that she can provide more "things". And who does nothing but denigrate him to the kids and the public.
I have no problem with him being in the public eye as a way to make more money, but please, please stay classy!!! That means staying away from sleazebags like the Hellers.
It must be very hard not to defend himself, but it's really the worst thing he can do. (Don't get me wrong...I would love to hear his version of the story!)
His silence the past two years has done wonders for showing Grifty up for who she really is. Do he really want to be seen in the same light as her?
I have to say I would LOVE to see him host a talk show, offering what he has to offer as himself, not as the other half of Jon and Kate. I would so love to see him be successful in the entertainment industry, on a limited basis, only because Grifty is so miserable at it, and doesn't stand a chance compared to Jon.
But I want to see him to it in a classy way. Get a cause to promote or something so he's not seen as promoting himself.
JudyK said... 144
She wants to go out and "breath" the fresh air...uh, that's "breathE," Kate. What an utter Moron. I've noticed she's made this same mistake many times before. Please don't brag about your spelling and/or grammar prowess EVER AGAIN
Make that an Oxy Moron as she said in a tweet the other day:
@***890
I find 'rain on the sunshine coast' to be an Oxy moron? Is it just me?? Lol!
Michelle Jon has said many times he regrets exploring the kids.
I like Jon, always did. He was laid back and reasonable while Kate was flapping around out of control, demeaning and demanding while she tried to control.
However, just as I strongly believe Kate has no talent to offer in any capacity on TV, I feel the same about Jon.
Why should he have a talk show on TV? There are many talented people out there that deserve it much more and who have worked hard trying to make a career in the television industry.
Kate AND Jon jumped on the reality bandwagon due to a freak happenstance and the wheels fell off as they almost always do. That's not enough for either of them to be TV personalities.
Pity Party said... 132
Exactly! All of the Kate supporters who cry "Kate is a single mom and has to do whatever it takes to support eight kids" should sit back and take a look at the fact that this works both ways. Jon has child support to pay, as well as provide for his own living expenses. He's not living in a huge McMansion, nor accumulating an array of vehicles on a whim, getting expensive personal maintenance (hair, tanning, nails, etc.) and also has to provide meals and entertainment for when he has his custody time.
If something comes his way to increase his income and standard of living, I say go for it.
Dmasy said...
I have been following Jon's tweets. Reading any tweets other than the ones at the top of this page is a first for me. I like most of his comments. He's a bit "rougher" than I imagined.
OK. I have to be fair. I like Jon's remarks. But, if I pretend that Kate wrote them, I get fiercely irritated. BIAS. She can't do anything right in my mind.
I agree with the other comments here. I hope he keeps it positive and upbeat and kind. This is our chance to get to know him.
The pictures with his children are charming. Never have we witnessed such warmth when Kate is pseudo playing with the kids.
If Jon wrote a book, I would read in in one sitting! I would buy it just to make Kate frustrated.
I am thinking that I might not be a very nice person....
Exploiting lol.
Tweet #153:
I agree. Jon could maybe handle the odd interview about reality TV although I still think it would be hard for him to separate the experience from the treatment of the children and Kate's treatment of all of them. He had trouble explaining things on their shows couch interviews- well ,mainly because Kate told him his grammar and word choice were wrong & 'corrected' them with her own mistakes- but he mainly recapped the epi's events, and talked about the kids. It might also be embarrassing for him to talk about the way he allowed himself to be treated , and then his Ed Hardy days etc.
I remember that Jon's 'office' was inside their closet and Kate had the e door open so she could watch his every move. That summed up their relationship to me. He did try to clear things up when Kate declared things like Cara got ready for school 'beautifully' while Mady did not...he said he was the one who did all the school prep- one example. Sometimes she could not deny the truth; she would just go onto the next exaggeration or belittling remark toward Jon. I don't think he would want to relive those days on TV.
I agree that he does not have any particular talent for television.
Tamara said...
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...
Okay, please tell me that wasn't a Freudian slip.....
Can anyone tell me how many tweets Jon is getting from others, and how many new followers he has? I'm curious because if it is a larger number than expected considering he's been out of the spotlight for 2 years.
Re: Jon & Twitter - If he wants to make it public, that's his perogative, just like anybody else. As has been said, I hope he doesn't start using it as a platform to bash Kate or discuss (however subtly) the kids. He has said he won't, so time will tell if he's true to his word.
Re: Jon & a career in entertainment - Again, time will tell. Jon has tweeted what his current job is (IT and inside sales for a consulting firm) and he seemed to express his satisfaction with what he was doing.
Then again, he tweeted he was also having dinner with his old PR team. Now, he could just be having dinner with friends he has distanced himself from to avoid any pushback from TLC. Also, it could have been part of the settlement with TLC that he not associate with any PR people other than those that were TLC approved. We really don't know.
He could be meeting with them to do some talkshows or to start shopping around a book. Who knows? I guess my stance is sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, or dinner may just be dinner. Time will tell what Jon Gosselin will or won't do. In the meantime, I would caution all of us to be careful to not take speculation on our part as fact.
Is this why she got her hair done recently and also visited the tanning place? Was she expecting the paps to show up?
aowflyersfan
Last night at the play @Kateplusmy8 was all dolled up an her kids looked like hot messes. #disappointing
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 153
Thank you! How about both going quietly into the night without ever mentioning the kids? Better yet, how about both of them allow the kids a reprieve from all of THEIR craziness they BOTH have cast on the kids?
It's time for both of them to move on; neither of them should use their kids one second longer.
Autocorrect slip!
What an awful thing to say about a child. Hot messes?
Not surprised at all. Kate is all about Kate. The money makers are secondary. And therein lies the problem.
This is hard, isn't it.
I want Jon to succeed, wildly, beyond all expectations, not because he deserves it, but for the sole purpose of annoying Grifty. Karma, baby....
On the other hand, I want him to earn it, not just be handed it. That means getting some training, developing a skill, paying his dues. Not something that will come quickly. And not something that will come from associating with sleazebags.
Jon seems so easily taken in...he needs to get some great professional advisors so that doesn't happen. I think for him that the lure of a lot of money for doing nothing is strong. I'd like to see some hard work to earn whatever it is that he wants.
What I really want for him is a happy, satisfying life, out of the public eye. Somehow to be able to live his life with minimal impact from Grifty.
I don't think it's fair to say Ellen wasted two years of her life with Jon. I don't regret the longer relationships I've had. I learned from it, what I want, etc., and made good friends.
dumber than hammers said...
Realitytvkids.com (Adminstrator) said ...163
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What an awful thing to DO to children. No expense spared for Mommy Dearest to look her best, no expense spared for Mommy Dearest to travel wherever she wants, no expense spared for Mommy Dearest to dine at expensive NYC resturants.
What do the kids get? Stuck at home with the nannies, a narcissist mother, party platters bought at the grocery store, clothes that don't fit, and unbrushed hair.
That's what's REALLY wrong with this picture.
Kate is so incredibly disgusting.
Mel, 165...I agree totally with every paragraph. Thanks.
dee3 said...
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I agree with what you said in terms of neither Jon or Kate being deserving due to qualifying talent....but I also tend to think that we are beginning to enter an era where people are starting to reflect on their perceptions of reality TV celebrities and to recognize that they were giving a lot of attention to the most greedy and least genuine of them.....especially since the whole Kim Kardashian wedding debacle. I've noticed that people are really becoming critical of their bad behavior.....possibly even developing a sense of embarrassment that they were ever fans of most of these reality TV celebrities who are the polar opposite of what any sort of role-model should be.
And Jon...who tends to be a very friendly, self-deprecating and decent sort of guy....may come out smelling like a rose as the trend reverses. People may become more interested in a "regular guy" like him....than they were with all the table-flipping, back-stabbing, blinded-by-greed reality stars. It just may turn out to be good timing for him. Just hope he uses good judgment in his future decisions regarding any opportunities that come his way.
Also want to add that I'm very intrigued by the whole timing of events with the end of Kate's contract with TLC coming up. Will Steve still be in the picture? Is Jon's twitter becoming public related? Etc., etc.
Where is this picture? Kate didn't post one that I can see?? If you have the link please share!
I'm sure the kids looked fine...Kate said she never could do hair- the girls looked great when they had the Asian nanny who did amazing-truly!- hairstyles, each one different.
I guess I shouldn't be asking to see it, but since it's out there...
You're right admin, about not regretting longer relationships. I guess wasting isn't the right word. I think I meant that it's too bad that the relationship didn't work out. She seemed so good for him. But maybe his situation wasn't good for her. Too bad all the ugliness of Grifty spilled over into his next life. But how could it not. Sigh.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) 163 said "What an awful thing to say about a child. Hot messes?"
Disheveled? Unkempt? Poorly groomed? Uncared for? No, I didn't see them. Just coming up with some synonyms (look it up in your dictionary, Kate) for "hot m
esses". Based on what we've seen in candid pix and sometimes on the show, all of the above apply at times. The girls' hair uncombed, clothing rumpled and looking like it came out of a rag bag, as my mother would have said. The boys often look scruffy, ungroomed, uncared for and dressed in clothing several sizes too large for them. Yet another example of Kate's "I do it all for my kids" NOT.
Dmasy I think you are a very nice person. Unfortunately, Kate has a way of bringing out the very worst in most of us.
I hate to keep harping on it, but Jon behaved like an out of control teenager when they separated because that's basically what he was. He may have been in his early thirties, but Kate got her hooks in him when he was barely 20 and after that controlled his every thought, word, action and breath. Emotionally, he was still a teen and most of us have periods of poor behavior and bad judgment at that age. He's had a couple of years to grow up now, and until he proves otherwise, I'm trusting that he will be a responsible adult, regardless of the path he chooses and the baiting thrown his way by the Kate worshippers.
Hey Jude -- glad you're back. I enjoy reading your posts and it seemed incomplete here without you. Continued prayers that everything turns out okay and that you make a quick recovery from that hospital stay.
Ellen is a young woman. Maybe it was something as simple as she wanted a baby or two, and Jon already has more than many feel the need for?
Oh, now I think maybe this was just a person who was at the play who reported the 'hot mess' status. She's on Twitter but had no picture which I guess is a good thing.
I think Kate was trying to dress the kids up at Christmas, but she just never has got style right ( look at her own) The boys were swimming in their shirts then and the girls looked ok, just not fully groomed.
Another theory is that she is trying to show that her poor kids are in need of socks and other freebies etc. But she just can't give up her own 'look." All dolled up, the twitter person said. She had her hair done professionally and who knows what she wore, but the kids are still at her mercy for their appearance ( the younger ones) Personally I thought their hair always looked messy except for as I said when the Asian nanny did it. The boys' hair is fine.But it is wrong to criticize the kids- it's not their fault, and whose kids look perfect all the time?
Westcoaster said...
So sorry I looked at the party picture, and it is hardly AMAZING, just a spread of store bought snacks, tiniest shrimp ring ever, which is all fine, but why post a picture of that? Her entertaining skills are in line with her taste in clothes, pretty meh, often tacky.
I wish neither Jon nor Kate had a public twitter account, that would take care of ANY potential child exploitation, and frankly, they are both media 'hos.
Funny tho that K8 gets all dolled up for a school play and her kids go in their too big clothes, messy hair, etc. Always all about her. I remember well the days when we went special places as a family with young children, the effort put into having the children 'presentable' - baths, clothes, hair - and then throwing on whatever party clothes I could find, running a brush through MY hair and racing out the door. I was the 'hot mess', but my children were more important. K8 as usual has it all twisted around to spotlight her. Pathetic.
I think the real issue is Kate created a situation where people are tweeting about her kids in the first place. Putting these kids on tv created permanent lasting consequences.
I think that she said "Mady was OUR star" because Mady wasn't THE star of the play. Nice of her but something that should have ben kept private. She is trying to pass herself off as Susie Homemaker but that spread was just sorry and totally store bought. A real Susie Homemaker would have made everything not just removed the lids.
This doesn't bode well IMO
@RakeYohn007 need to go to Jake's before baby comes
He's tweeting to a member of the Jackass club. The orginal Jackasses..Bam, etc are from West Chester PA and Jake's is a small dive bar where Bam hangs out with college kids even though he's in his 30s now..bar is famous for 50 cent drafts.
Georgia Peach said...
Localyocul said... 178
You are probably the only one here who knew this and IMO the rest of us would be fine without this information.
I don't think wild horses could have kept Jon away from that play. Maybe his mom went with him as well. As for the children looking unkempt, I believe that. All that my kids have to look perfect was just for show and because she had Jon and then the nannies to do all the work.
Georgia Peach said... 179
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Who do you think YOU are? I'm concerned and don't want him to fall in with that crowd. No need to be a jerk.
Westcoaster said... 175
They BOTH need to get off Twitter ASAP. Kate has done NOTHING but reveal her ignorance, grifting ability, and need for attention on Twitter, and I fear Jon is going to go down the wrong road w/ this himself. I gained respect for Jon when he REMOVED himself from the public in all aspects.
That shrimp tray is on a plastic tray straight from the supermarket. How classy. NOT. And I bet the cocktail sauce for it was straight from a jar. And I can PROMISE you that the sheetcake was straight from the grocery, as well. Putting that together...opening jars, packages, etc., must have taken all of 10 minutes at the most.
Kate, you are a FRAUD.
All the world's a stage said...
The play has 4 performances-I'm sure Jon attended on of them.
Yep, me too. And of all the words she messes up, shouldn't screw up "breathe".
Remember this miserable witch moment?
I don't know how he put up with her. If I were him I think I would have put my elbow in her face.
AuntieAnn, lol, so horrible. And to Joel when he was in time out- "I don't even want to hear you breathe!!!."
Yeah, she should know how to spell that word all right!
Yeah, yeah, we all know how you LOVE to run. It takes her 3 days to get psyched.
It's interesting following Jon on Twitter for a variety of reasons:
1) It reminds me of what has always been one of my main issues with Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, and, for that matter, Reality TV, namely I don't need to know what someone is doing every second of their day. I've been reading his tweets and honestly it's a bit boring. Jon seems like most average guys, frankly, talking about getting together and hanging out and having some beers before his friend's baby comes - sort of last hurrah before a friend's time is taken up with family responsibilities. Hmmm, nothing Jon wouldn't understand.:-)
2) We are all (myself included) reading too much into his tweets. Understandable - it's movement in the Gosselin sphere and something new to talk about. As I said before, only time will tell what Jon will do regarding a tell all book, interviews, a new show, etc. Honestly, I could see a tell all book but that's about it. He seems to enjoy his privacy and I wish him luck in maintaining it. I think a public twitter makes that more difficult, but this freedom from TLC is new to him as well and I will cut him some slack in enjoying that freedom for a while.
Once - yes, she's a control freak to the max. Poor little guy. He never seemed to do anything right for her. Maybe he reminds her too much of Jon.
Pity Party - and then someone has to practically push her out the door. What a useless tit.
Oh and that referenced above re J's twitter was in response to someone who was harassing him that he couldn't get blocked from his phone. I wish we could word to him somehow not to engage. It can all be misconstrued.
Freebie Kate said...
Kate only wanted to be bothered with her fans after her show was over. She went to twitter to use her fans like TCL would give her show back. She also thinks if she tweets some big company will see her and pay her for using their product.
I have a twitter question. Someone nicely explained upthread about verifying, thank you. But why did it take so long for Jon to be verified? And why not Kate? Stupid questions probably, but I am not savvy at all about twitter. Anyone? Beuller?
Bill's Mom said...
When the Fall family photo was taken, everyone looked nice, including Kate, but compare it to the Christmas family photo and I was embarrassed for her. The girls looked disheveled and the boys looked like rag-a-muffins. Not only were the boys shirts waaaaaay to large, but needed major ironing. Never did understand what that was all about. Kate brags about all the time she spends on special occasions and then we see the pictures and wonder what that was all about. Remember the days and days of Christmas wrapping? The photos showed a lot of gifts but not for a family of nine.
All she talks about is how tired she is. Yet she said on Dr. Drew earlier this week that she is so lonely because she cleans, cooks, puts the kids to bed and sits. Which way is it? What do her helpers do?
When my son was young and even through the years, I made sure he looked nice and was well groomed before I thought of myself. These are beautiful children and deserve to be well dressed and well groomed. Is she trying to make sure she is in the "spot light" instead of them or hoping she can grift clothing for them again? It was my understanding when they were with TLC that when filming, TLC had to provide clothing for all of the children, much of Kate's clothing and all of the food. Remember the stacks and stacks of clothes she had when packing for the RV trip? My opinion is that she has only recently had to start purchasing clothing for the family.
It's very obvious that Kate is lacking in entertaining, hostessing and decorating. It's obvious from the photos. And yesterday's party photo was no different.
These kids deserve better. Kate needs to quit tweeting, quit running or whatever it takes and for once become a real mother. Believe me, you only get one chance. She will have many years to do whatever what she wants after the kids are gone.
She also thinks if she tweets some big company will see her and pay her for using their product. 190
Or donate to the "Cause of Kate" because she has 8.
I'm beginning to wonder if "amazing" is the only adjective she knows.
Layla said...
Since the recap of the "Giving Back" episode posted, I decided to take a look at it on YouTube. What really struck me is how very ordinary all of the Gosselins are now. They were unique when all those kids were tiny at the same time, but now--well, you could take any family in America with a few kids, film them in the same situation, and basically come up with the same show. Except the Mom wouldn't be so rude to the man working at the food bank. And she wouldn't say "Ummm" every time she opened her mouth. But now that the kids are older, and the novelty has worn off, we are left with the fact that nobody in that family is what I would call "star material".
Does Kate realize that the fact that she lives where she does (and constantly says the refuses to pull the kids out of their house) pretty much means neither she nor any of the kids could ever have a show business career? Nobody is going to film a talk show or other TV show in Wernersville, PA (except TLC, and even they won't do it now). And she can't just uproot the kids to move to NYC or LA. What if Disney did decide to put Mady in something? She lives in Wernersville. Disney is not going to move their operations out there to film. What if Kelly Ripa decided to make Kate her co-host? Yes, it would be the worst decision in television history, but once again--that would require long work days in NYC, and Kate's kids won't be there. So, she's stuck. She can't go back to nursing (she's too entuitled, plus no current skills). The money will all go--it's just a matte of time--and then what is she going to do? She doesn't seem to have a real plan, and with 8 kids to provide for, she needs to come up with a workable plan, and a back-up plan, and a few extra back-up plans. Cause the kids won't be supporting her any longer.
Focus On What Matters for a Change said...
And I promise you that Mady didn't care whether the shrimp was served in an elegant fashion or the cocktail sauce was from a jar. The pure snobbery and pretension of your comment and those of many others' here completely misses the point. She's getting singled out for special attention. That is a good thing. She will remember that she got a party to celebrate her play. She won't remember what food was served or whether the fine china was used.
Kate is quite pretentious herself. What's funny is she is actually pretty mediocre herself with her mediocre store bought parties. And maybe she will someday realize mediocre can actually bring you and your kids lots of happiness. Most mediocre people don't need a medal for things most good moms do as a matter of course.
Dang it! said...
How disappointing that Jon is putting himself out there again. He did a great job for so long and was starting to earn back the respect he lost with his trail of sluts.
He had the sense to nix that book deal with one of the haters, but this twittering has made him look like a fame whore.
Those poor kids are stuck with loser parents and it's a crying shame.
I'm quite sure Mady was pleased with her party; comments have NOTHNG to do with her. It is her mother who draws the comments about pretentious yet underwhelming presentation, it s her mother who tweets about her private lfe. It is her mother who drops $$$$ on herself yet displays only the least expensive purchases for her children. So #195, get off your high horse ; I really wish people would stick to A name, and not change it every time they want to be argumentative.
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Was Mike Mussina better than Derek Jeter?
September 25, 2014 May 18, 2018 Ryan VoorisRandom FunDerek Jeter, New York Yankees, WAR
If you are a baseball fan, you've probably seen Keith Olbermann's tangent against Derek Jeter. Olbermann delivered an opinion piece on his ESPN2 show last week and it has gone viral in a big way. Some of this is because of the backlash against the amount of attention the Yankees and MLB are giving to Jeter's final season (and now his final week). For others, Olbermann's take down of Jeter appears to have substantiated their long-held beliefs that Jeter is overrated. Mike Mussina got a few mentions in the Olbermann segment, which you can watch here.
Personally, I have a few issues with what Olbermann said. His unnecessary hyperbole, selective use of statistics and his arbitrary cut-off points (i.e. only looking at players with more than 12,000 at-bats) weakens his argument and there's a good article to be written which could refute some of his claims (i.e. Jeter's greatest asset is that he did everything well on the offensive side of the game which is why he never dominated in one category) . But this is a site about Mike Mussina, so what follows addresses some of what Olbermann said about Mike Mussina and Derek Jeter.
Olbermann mentions that Mussina averaged 4.4 Wins Above Replacement during his Yankee tenure. While this is true, Mussina's greatness with the Yankees is disproportionately due to how great his first three seasons in pinstripes were. More than half (18.2) of Mussina's WAR with the Yankees (35.1) was generated in those first three years. In three of the eight seasons Mussina spent in New York he produced a WAR of less than 3.5. Derek Jeter spent more than a decade (11 seasons: 1997-2007) giving the Yankees seasons of 3.5 WAR and above. During those seasons he averaged a WAR of 5.0.
It's not easy to compare pitchers and hitters. WAR is about all we have that allows us to do this and even then hitters are expected to do more than just hit. They have to field and be effective base runners. Pitchers, well, they pitch and, with the exception of a Madison Bumgarner or Zack Grienke, they don't need to do anything else well. To me this demonstrates that Jeter was a better player than Mussina during their respective Yankee careers. That's mostly because Jeter played his prime in New York and Mussina struggled some after turning 35. But this is where Mussina does have a case against Jeter. From age 35 to 39, Mussina produced a WAR of 16.9 or 3.4 per season. From age 35 to 40, Jeter produced a WAR of 16.7 or 2.8 per season.
Patrick's take: Ryan's take on Jeter/Mussina is misguided, in my opinion, because it compares the decline phase of Mussina's career to Jeter's whole career. The truth is, Mussina's was better, and WAR empirically proves it. I'll show you three different methods.
Method #1:
Career WAR B-R: Mussina: 82.7 (18 seasons) Jeter: 71.7 (20 seasons*)
Fangraphs: Mussina: 82.3 Jeter: 73.5
Even if you take away the two seasons Jeter barely played in ('95 and '13) and make the years 18 to 18, Mussina comes out half a win better per season
Method #2: Mussina's Yankee career represented the last eight seasons of his career.Compared to the last eight seasons of Jeter's (using B-R WAR because it easily calculates the total):
Mussina: 35.1 WAR Jeter: 17.8
WAR Method #3: Mussina's Yankee career represented his year 32 season through his year 39 season. Again, using B-R's WAR, to compare to Jeter's age 32 to age 39:
Mussina: 35.1 WAR Jeter: 23.2 WAR
Mike Mussina: Better than Derek Jeter
Ryan's response: But do you think Mussina was a better Yankee than Jeter? Does this debate even matter? Is there a foolproof way to compare pitchers and hitters? Is this why the Internet exists?
Patrick's nearly two years later rebuttal to Ryan: Of course Mussina wasn't a better Yankee than Jeter. But that's not really a pitcher vs. hitter issue. It's an issue because we're comparing a guy who spent half his career in pinstripes to a guy who spent his whole career there. That extra decade is a little hard to overcome. Of course this is why the Internet exists. If we're not going to spend hours arguing over minor details about sports, then I don't know what we're doing here.
The most fascinating thing about examining Jeter's career, to me at least, is that advanced defensive metrics have been absolutely brutal to him. If Jeter was just an average fielder he would have a WAR above 80, but the advanced metrics say he's been truly awful. They say he's been one of the worst defense shortstops of all time. If he was a C- at fielding he'd be okay, but for most of his career the advanced metrics say he's been an F.
It is the defensive metric part of WAR that really damages Jeter's career if you are evaluating him based on Wins Above Replacement. Jeter's career offensive WAR is 20th all-time, ahead of guys like Jimmie Foxx, Eddie Mathews, Mike Schmidt, and George Brett. Offensively, he's one of the best shortstops to ever play baseball and even with the defensive issues, he ranks 4th since 1900 in career WAR for shortstops.
Jeff Sullivan at Fangraphs tried to put Jeter's defense in context this April, comparing him to the "worst beer from an excellent brewery". There are a lot of good stats in the article and Sullivan makes the point that Jeter's consistency and relative health has made him more valuable of a defensive player than he gets credit for. I'll let Sullivan's conclusion speak for itself:
Jeter has had his on-field shortcomings. But it's also important to not get carried away. For his position, Jeter's been one of the game's worse defensive players. His position has included some of the very best defensive players in baseball. In terms of overall value, those about negate one another. In the end, the most correct opinion of Jeter's defensive ability is, `Hey, he's been all right.'
Derek Jeter, New York Yankees, WAR
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Yes! Kosher Meals must be ordered in advance for our guests who make reservations at the restaurant. These meals will be prepared kosher off site, sealed and delivered to our guest on the day of their visit.
To order, call 214.443.1040.
What is the cost of eating at Crystal Terrace?
Crystal Terrace is a gourmet buffet which ranges from $27.50 – $29.50 (prices subject to change) depending on day and time. The Broadway Café is a lighter fare and is more moderate in cost.
Are food and drink allowed in the theater?
Drinks are allowed into the theatre at the discretion of the presenter. Currently Dallas Summer Musicals allows beverages inside the theatre, food may not be taken into the theatre.