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118: 'Sloppy on the Side' With Guest Adam Lisagor
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00:00:22 ◼ ► Oh boy, I'm way into this.
00:00:24 ◼ ► You have no idea how long I've been, how I've been looking forward to this.
00:00:29 ◼ ► that weird? Should I not? Should I play it cool? No, I don't think it's weird at all. If anything,
00:00:34 ◼ ► I feel like one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you about, I mean I've been wanting to talk
00:00:37 ◼ ► to you about this ever since we were in Montreal last year and we both talked to each other into
00:00:41 ◼ ► being super excited about the watch. Is that I feel like too many other people are playing it
00:00:45 ◼ ► cool and they're trying to be credible. Reserving judgment. Yeah, and that's totally cool to,
00:00:55 ◼ ► you know, I think just being completely honest. There's, you know, a lot of things to complain
00:00:58 ◼ ► about too, but I feel like, I don't know, I feel like not being excited about it. What's the fun
00:01:03 ◼ ► in that? Oh no, this has got, I mean, you got to treat this like Christmas. When I was probably
00:01:10 ◼ ► seven years old, I got a transformer watch, a wristwatch that was a transformer for Hanukkah
00:01:17 ◼ ► and I cried. Tears of joy. Tears of joy, yeah, tears of transformer Hanukkah joy. And I think
00:01:25 ◼ ► that I there's no reason I shouldn't have the same reaction literally as opposed as opposed to
00:01:31 ◼ ► the kid across the street who got a go bot's watch and cried because it's because it was the go box
00:01:40 ◼ ► go box was like the original Samsung
00:01:52 ◼ ► So you reminded me that I used to be a watch guy.
00:01:57 ◼ ► I haven't, I haven't for so long.
00:02:00 ◼ ► But when I was a kid, my grandfather was an accountant
00:02:04 ◼ ► and one of his clients was I think a reseller
00:02:07 ◼ ► of Casio watches.
00:02:09 ◼ ► And so every, like once a year, he would hand me down
00:02:13 ◼ ► the latest, like the last year's version of a data bank
00:02:16 ◼ ► or whatever it was.
00:02:18 ◼ ► And that was just, I think that was like just,
00:02:22 ◼ ► early gadget fetish for me.
00:02:25 ◼ ► And like you said,
00:02:27 ◼ ► last, your last episode with Multsy,
00:02:32 ◼ ► you were talking about how inscrutable those interfaces were
00:02:35 ◼ ► and how you basically had to memorize like the equivalent
00:02:39 ◼ ► of a NES Contra code.
00:02:44 ◼ ► - Just in order to like get to timer mode
00:02:48 ◼ ► - Yeah, it was like triple click the lower right button
00:02:50 ◼ ► to get into the mode where you can set the alarm.
00:02:54 ◼ ► - Which looked exactly like the mode for setting the time,
00:02:57 ◼ ► except that there was a little tiny button,
00:02:59 ◼ ► like an A, that would flash.
00:03:00 ◼ ► That meant, hey, this is the alarm.
00:03:02 ◼ ► And then you would just have to know
00:03:04 ◼ ► that you were setting the time for your alarm
00:03:06 ◼ ► and not changing the time on your watch.
00:03:09 ◼ ► But once you got there, it felt so good.
00:03:12 ◼ ► One of the things, it's just a little thing,
00:03:14 ◼ ► and I know that it's,
00:03:18 ◼ ► I feel like the two main points of the big question marks
00:03:22 ◼ ► is should anybody be excited about Apple Watch in general
00:03:27 ◼ ► as just a thing they might wanna wear on their wrist?
00:03:30 ◼ ► And then there's this whole other angle
00:03:32 ◼ ► where I know that as time goes on, you say things,
00:03:34 ◼ ► and I keep seeing it on Twitter when people,
00:03:37 ◼ ► people like to complain on Twitter.
00:03:38 ◼ ► I don't know if you ever noticed that.
00:03:39 ◼ ► But then they'll say, you mean,
00:03:41 ◼ ► and they'll say, this is a really cool thing you can do.
00:03:43 ◼ ► This is a nice part of wearing the Apple Watch every day.
00:03:46 ◼ ► and then they say, you mean exactly like every other smartwatch on the market for the last
00:03:49 ◼ ► two years? And it's like, okay, yeah, you know, maybe they, you know, give some points
00:03:54 ◼ ► to some of these other guys for shipping first. I mean, but it doesn't take away that it's
00:03:58 ◼ ► a nice part of the experience on the wrist. And one of those things, one of those little
00:04:02 ◼ ► things is that you never have to set the time on the watch. It's like once you've paired
00:04:06 ◼ ► it with your phone, it always just gets the time.
00:04:09 ◼ ► Pete: Yeah, I mean, that's one of those things that's completely invisible. I've not once
00:04:15 ◼ ► thought about that fact except that's just the time you take it for granted because
00:04:19 ◼ ► clocks set themselves now that's what clocks do right and i was thinking about that with the
00:04:25 ◼ ► context of those old digital watches like i wrote about from my teenage years where i can't even
00:04:30 ◼ ► remember whether some of them and i i guess i just went through them every couple years because they
00:04:34 ◼ ► even back then they weren't that expensive by the 80s like in the 70s digital watches were really
00:04:39 ◼ ► expensive and by the 80s they were you know you get them for your eighth grade son without thinking
00:04:43 ◼ ► about it. But I think that I had some that you could set the month, even though it didn't show it
00:04:50 ◼ ► like on the face because it was like too much detail, but then at least that way when like
00:04:54 ◼ ► April 30th rolls around and it goes to May 1st, it doesn't tell you that it's the 31st.
00:04:59 ◼ ► I think. But it was like you had to—it just was another thing you had to set though. Like if the
00:05:05 ◼ ► battery—like when you did change the battery and had to start over from scratch, you had to set
00:05:08 ◼ ► so many different fields, the hour, the date, the time, the day of the week, you know, all this stuff.
00:05:13 ◼ ► But I think at that point in technology we didn't...
00:05:17 ◼ ► We didn't...
00:05:18 ◼ ► I don't...
00:05:19 ◼ ► I just...
00:05:20 ◼ ► I might be wrong about this.
00:05:22 ◼ ► We weren't thinking that far in advance to...
00:05:25 ◼ ► We wanted our gadgets to know how to do things themselves.
00:05:28 ◼ ► I don't think that that was an expectation.
00:05:30 ◼ ► It was almost like, "No, of course.
00:05:31 ◼ ► It's like a manual transmission.
00:05:33 ◼ ► You want that control.
00:05:34 ◼ ► You want to take out of the box, unfold the 18-fold mostly Japanese instructions."
00:05:42 ◼ ► And then figure out what is the code you need to get to to get to world time or something
00:05:54 ◼ ► And that's part of the thing.
00:05:55 ◼ ► Yeah, I mean, I'm not, yeah, I wasn't even complaining about it and I didn't complain
00:05:59 ◼ ► about it when I did it.
00:06:00 ◼ ► I thought it was a cool feature.
00:06:01 ◼ ► I was like, "Hey, this is great.
00:06:02 ◼ ► This way when a short month rolls around, I won't have to worry about it.
00:06:06 ◼ ► I'll go through the hassle now of setting everything so that I don't have to do it again."
00:06:10 ◼ ► Yeah, so are people asking you, I mean obviously people on this, people online obviously, but
00:06:17 ◼ ► people in the world, are they seeing your watch and saying, "Hey, what do you think
00:06:22 ◼ ► of that?"
00:06:23 ◼ ► Yeah, totally.
00:06:24 ◼ ► I'm about, I haven't kept exact count, but if I had to guess, I would guess that
00:06:31 ◼ ► I'm 23 out of 25 for when I use Apple Pay at Whole Foods.
00:06:36 ◼ ► And that's probably about right, because it's been a little bit over a month and
00:06:40 ◼ ► I go there just about every day.
00:06:42 ◼ ► I'd say about 23 out of 25 times, the cashier has commented on it, even though I'm definitely
00:06:48 ◼ ► trying to do it as subtly as possible.
00:06:49 ◼ ► Because I'm trying—it's like I'm playing a game where I'm trying not to be noticed
00:06:53 ◼ ► using the watch to Apple Pay, and yet they inevitably notice.
00:06:58 ◼ ► And out of the two times that they didn't, the one time it was a cashier who I'd had
00:07:03 ◼ ► before, and she just kind of gave me the, "Oh, you're the guy who already has the
00:07:06 ◼ ► Apple Watch."
00:07:07 ◼ ► And then there was one time where cashier didn't didn't make note of it. That was her and she batted her eyelashes and you moved on
00:07:13 ◼ ► She was clearly impressed
00:07:16 ◼ ► With your prowess
00:07:18 ◼ ► Technological prowess I used it. I used Apple pay this morning for the first time because I
00:07:24 ◼ ► I've been preparing to be on on on your show and I wanted to do everything I could possibly do like exercise for instance
00:07:31 ◼ ► Just so I knew that, you know got the well-rounded experience this morning. I used Apple pay
00:07:37 ◼ ► with the watch and my go-to for Apple Pay because I never remember where it's
00:07:41 ◼ ► gonna be is I go to McDonald's. So I went to McDonald's I got my egg white delight
00:07:47 ◼ ► McMuffin. Used the watch couldn't be easier. Cashier could it did not give a
00:07:56 ◼ ► shit. I paid it you know I guess it worked like it was supposed to. I took my
00:08:03 ◼ ► sandwich out to the parking lot ate it in the parking lot and went to work and
00:08:08 ◼ ► now I feel prepared like with I like I have no extra commentary on that
00:08:12 ◼ ► experience except that it worked exactly like it's supposed to and it makes you
00:08:16 ◼ ► feel like I've got a I've got a currency device on my on my wrist that's the
00:08:21 ◼ ► thing is that I'm noticing is is just how all-encompassing it is as a device
00:08:28 ◼ ► and I feel like what they've done is they've just prepared like all of the
00:08:32 ◼ ► pieces have kind of culminated in this thing that you now strap to yourself.
00:08:37 ◼ ► Tom Bilyeu Yeah, and I can kind of say, and this might be where you're going to, but I can kind of
00:08:44 ◼ ► see how they've already laid like the groundwork for like the Apple Watch from five years from now.
00:08:49 ◼ ► Like not even just like a 2.0 from next year, but I'm thinking like a lot further down the road
00:08:57 ◼ ► where all of the things that it doesn't have,
00:09:01 ◼ ► like it doesn't do cellular networking on its own
00:09:03 ◼ ► and it doesn't have its own storage
00:09:05 ◼ ► where you can keep all of your videos and stuff like that.
00:09:08 ◼ ► I could just see where this would have it all.
00:09:12 ◼ ► And then you would, you know, you could like
00:09:13 ◼ ► have like your iCloud, your whole iCloud thing.
00:09:17 ◼ ► - Totally.
00:09:18 ◼ ► I was, yeah, I mean, it definitely,
00:09:20 ◼ ► that's where I wanted to get this conversation to.
00:09:24 ◼ ► mostly because like you know just in a as a partly as a response to people who are
00:09:28 ◼ ► basically just like being negative nellies about where it is now without the
00:09:36 ◼ ► presence of mind to remember what iva iphone version one is what was what it was and what it
00:09:45 ◼ ► was like what it was missing and and how it iterated and how you know in the in the preview
00:09:50 ◼ ► in the next eight years it got to this incredible all-encompassing tool that almost kind of
00:09:57 ◼ ► feels like it's fully matured and that people don't necessarily step back outside of themselves
00:10:03 ◼ ► and say okay this is what this device is now I wonder what it's gonna be five years from
00:10:10 ◼ ► now like you said.
00:10:11 ◼ ► Yeah I'm trying to remember some of this stuff that wasn't in iPhone 1.0. I know there was
00:10:18 ◼ ► no notifications, like so you couldn't slide down from the top to see any kind of notifications,
00:10:22 ◼ ► and there was no control center from the bottom. It was really just the home screen of apps,
00:10:27 ◼ ► and it was one home screen because there were no other apps. And you would just hit the
00:10:32 ◼ ► home button to go to the home screen and hit an app to go to an app, and that was it. Like,
00:10:36 ◼ ► that was the scope of the whole system. You're either in an app, and if you're in an app,
00:10:41 ◼ ► the app had the whole screen, and otherwise you were on the home screen, and then you
00:10:45 ◼ ► we'd use that to launch an app and that was it.
00:10:47 ◼ ► And part of the brilliance of the design
00:10:49 ◼ ► is how simple that was.
00:10:50 ◼ ► - Absolutely, and it almost had to be constrained
00:10:53 ◼ ► in order to just teach us what the thing was.
00:10:57 ◼ ► So we could get like sort of acclimated to the language
00:11:01 ◼ ► and then they could start to grow it out.
00:11:04 ◼ ► And I wonder, so then I wonder how you extend that
00:11:07 ◼ ► to the watch and what it's,
00:11:09 ◼ ► I mean, there are things about the UI right now
00:11:11 ◼ ► that I don't get naturally and I don't,
00:11:13 ◼ ► and they kind of annoy me, you know,
00:11:15 ◼ ► like the app, the home screen full of apps
00:11:20 ◼ ► is fun to play with, but I don't necessarily feel
00:11:24 ◼ ► like it's perfectly natural yet.
00:11:26 ◼ ► - No, and I'm, I still even a month in 'em,
00:11:29 ◼ ► I tapped the wrong app.
00:11:30 ◼ ► - Right, yeah, the tap targets are weird.
00:11:35 ◼ ► - They're not, maybe they're a little too small,
00:11:39 ◼ ► but they're definitely too close to each other.
00:11:42 ◼ ► That's the bigger problem isn't necessarily the size,
00:11:44 ◼ ► 'cause I did, I think I said this with Multi
00:11:46 ◼ ► or with Joanne Stern, I actually took out a ruler
00:11:49 ◼ ► and measured, and they are a quarter of an inch,
00:11:51 ◼ ► which is like the minimum, you know,
00:11:54 ◼ ► it's just basically the minimum size for a tap target.
00:11:58 ◼ ► But the problem is they're right next to each other,
00:11:59 ◼ ► whereas like on the iPhone, when you'd have like
00:12:02 ◼ ► quarter inch tap targets, you'd still put some spacing
00:12:04 ◼ ► between them.
00:12:05 ◼ ► - Right, and when you get it right,
00:12:08 ◼ ► it feels like magic, right?
00:12:11 ◼ ► But that, but unless it happens all the time
00:12:13 ◼ ► that you get it right, it's not real magic.
00:12:15 ◼ ► It's just the illusion of magic.
00:12:17 ◼ ► I feel like, one of the things that I realized is,
00:12:21 ◼ ► I use Overcast a lot.
00:12:23 ◼ ► That's probably my most frequently used app on the watch.
00:12:27 ◼ ► And Overcast just would by default,
00:12:29 ◼ ► when all my apps came over, when I sunk with the watch,
00:12:33 ◼ ► Overcast ended up to the right side, the very edge,
00:12:37 ◼ ► to the very right edge.
00:12:39 ◼ ► And I realized, oh, that's an easier tap target.
00:12:42 ◼ ► I don't know if it's I don't know if it's mentally or not. Yeah, because actually physically no that makes sense though because it's sort of like a
00:12:49 ◼ ► Fitz's law right where the the main the menu bar on the Mac is easier to click on because you can you can just slide your
00:12:57 ◼ ► Arrow all the way to the top and you can't go too far. There's a similar
00:13:01 ◼ ► I think there's a similar
00:13:03 ◼ ► Usability advantage to being at the edge of that app cloud because you can't you you can get sloppy on the side
00:13:08 ◼ ► You know what? I mean? Yeah. Yeah and
00:13:12 ◼ ► Guess that was the story of my college years as well sloppy on the side
00:13:15 ◼ ► So there's a clock in the middle that's what they called right
00:13:22 ◼ ► So, I guess it does that work and does that work in theory and in practice that the clock being in the middle makes it
00:13:31 ◼ ► An easier tap target then do you just kind of get a bull's-eye?
00:13:34 ◼ ► I I don't know cuz I almost never go back to the clock like oh really? Yeah, I just assume
00:13:41 ◼ ► that and to me it's it's like the most underreported thing and I think people
00:13:48 ◼ ► just sort of get it but it's like to me the thing you have to get over with is
00:13:53 ◼ ► the in this thinking that it don't treat it like a little iPhone on your wrist
00:13:57 ◼ ► and in the iPhone whatever you were last doing when you unlock your iPhone there
00:14:01 ◼ ► it is again when you come back with the watch just when you're done with
00:14:04 ◼ ► whatever like maybe you wanted to change to a new podcast because you're using an
00:14:10 ◼ ► Overcast and then when you switch and you cue it up and you now you've got the new episode of whatever you want listen to playing
00:14:16 ◼ ► in your earbuds, then you just put your wrist down and you're done and
00:14:19 ◼ ► Next time you want to go to your watch. It's just right back on the watch face
00:14:23 ◼ ► You know like you never have to clean up as soon as you're done doing what it is that you did on your watch
00:14:29 ◼ ► Just put your wrist down and trust that it'll it'll come back to the watch face on its own. Yeah, that makes sense
00:14:35 ◼ ► Do you have what are things that you've experienced?
00:14:39 ◼ ► having done so I remember when the when the first iPhone came out I had these
00:14:45 ◼ ► moments all the time of love like oh I just did something like I just I got a
00:14:52 ◼ ► link in an email I clicked the link it opened up in mobile Safari I watched a
00:14:57 ◼ ► video and then I closed it and I thought I could never have done that before you
00:15:02 ◼ ► know six months ago the you know I just did something that I that I this
00:15:06 ◼ ► technology enabled that I could never have done before it existed and I feel
00:15:11 ◼ ► like I'm having sort of similar things like just those those realizations of
00:15:15 ◼ ► with the watch of oh this is why this exists this is one of those little
00:15:19 ◼ ► vignettes that they put in their commercials yeah I think you know and
00:15:26 ◼ ► again I know that there are other smart watches or whatever you want to call
00:15:30 ◼ ► them that get text messages you know transcript you know zap them between
00:15:33 ◼ ► your you know your phone and your watch so I realized that it's not
00:15:36 ◼ ► necessarily exclusive to Apple watch but I've tried it I've have the pebble and
00:15:40 ◼ ► I've worn the pebble and it's it's a little different number one the Apple
00:15:44 ◼ ► watch is pretty reliable I find the Bluetooth connection to be really good
00:15:48 ◼ ► and with pebble it was always flicking out which probably isn't pebbles fault
00:15:52 ◼ ► it's probably the limits of third-party apps versus Apple getting to have you
00:15:59 ◼ ► know tightest possible integration at the OS level on both the watch and the
00:16:03 ◼ ► phone but it's pretty cool when I like I do all the grocery shopping that's why I
00:16:09 ◼ ► go to Whole Foods so I'm at the Whole Foods and I'm walking around and I feel
00:16:13 ◼ ► my wrist go and Amy says can you get oj2 and then I don't even at you know I
00:16:18 ◼ ► don't know it just just it's nice because then you know you don't have to
00:16:22 ◼ ► go in your pocket and get out of your phone you don't you don't have to take
00:16:25 ◼ ► it out of your pocket is that reason yeah sorry my headphones broke for a
00:16:29 ◼ ► second no that's okay hey let me take a time out here just real quick and let
00:16:32 ◼ ► you know that if I start sounding like a terrible robot or something tell me right away because
00:16:37 ◼ ► it's a USB problem not a Skype problem.
00:16:41 ◼ ► Not an emotional problem.
00:16:42 ◼ ► No but but I had to episode a few weeks I should what I should do of course is just
00:16:48 ◼ ► as soon as we're done recording go to Amazon and buy a new microphone and instead I start
00:16:53 ◼ ► each show and then realize halfway through that I should hold the guest hey if I start
00:16:56 ◼ ► sounding bad, tell me right away. Don't be polite and say, "I don't care." Because it means the
00:17:03 ◼ ► audio I'm recording is bad too. All right. Oh, that sucks. Oh, so you've blown
00:17:08 ◼ ► a couple of episodes. Yeah, it was like the last half hour of the episode with Serenity Caldwell,
00:17:14 ◼ ► and so I recreated my audio. I played it, listened, and did it again. And I think it came out pretty
00:17:21 ◼ ► good I think it actually made me it like I tighten up a lot of my argument that's
00:17:26 ◼ ► um that the French call it a spree to scalia so you could basically just go
00:17:32 ◼ ► back and retroactively say smarter things yeah exactly that's perfect that's
00:17:37 ◼ ► exactly what it was like okay I'm gonna do that after we record but it was the
00:17:42 ◼ ► biggest pain in the ass as I'm sure you can it well imagine what it's like to to
00:17:47 ◼ ► You have to redub it and the crosstalk was just you know, horrifying
00:17:52 ◼ ► But uh, so which what what watch are you wearing?
00:17:59 ◼ ► Okay, so what I ordered is the 42 millimeter space black steel
00:18:05 ◼ ► With the black links, right? Really? I'm and I'm not like I said, I'm not a watch guy
00:18:10 ◼ ► So even that felt like it was bordering on a little too dressy for me
00:18:16 ◼ ► But as I as I think is is common that one's being delayed in shipment pretty heavily and I ordered it
00:18:23 ◼ ► You know right after
00:18:25 ◼ ► The store opened. Yeah, I ordered the same one and I ordered it first
00:18:29 ◼ ► I ordered it before Amy's or Jonas's or any of the bands and it still it has not shipped
00:18:34 ◼ ► I don't believe that one has shipped to anybody but I could be wrong good
00:18:38 ◼ ► I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like I haven't seen anybody post pictures of such a watch. Yeah
00:18:43 ◼ ► I know it's weird to feel the privilege of a delayed shipment. I don't know like just
00:18:48 ◼ ► the fact like that we're does that make it more precious when it actually comes? I don't
00:18:54 ◼ ► Well and it put and I you know I am in no place to complain because I've had the regular
00:18:59 ◼ ► steel link bracelet for five weeks now so it's.
00:19:03 ◼ ► Is that the one you're wearing?
00:19:04 ◼ ► Yeah that's the one that's the review unit from Apple. People have asked I guess I should
00:19:08 ◼ ► answer is that the typical review unit period from apple is 60 days i actually haven't even
00:19:14 ◼ ► looked at the thing that i signed but i it's always been it doesn't matter whether it's like
00:19:18 ◼ ► a new mac or a phone or tablet or you know ipad anything it's always 60 days and they don't come
00:19:24 ◼ ► knocking after 60 if you're still testing something i mean i never like use them as my own although i
00:19:30 ◼ ► guess i kind of am with the watch because i'm still wearing it but it's my thought is oh well
00:19:34 ◼ ► It's their fault that the one I order is delayed. I'll just keep wearing it
00:19:38 ◼ ► But I think that you know
00:19:39 ◼ ► They would even rather have me still wearing it and being able to write about it then
00:19:42 ◼ ► You know, what does the watch mean to them for me to send it back?
00:19:45 ◼ ► But anyway, I'll have this watch until mine comes and then I'll package it back up and send it back to them
00:19:50 ◼ ► Well, that's great. That's it's a loaner. They gave you a loan or just like your insurance company
00:19:55 ◼ ► So my insurance company is Roxanna's watch which I ordered
00:20:01 ◼ ► For her shortly after mine and actually everybody on the team here at sandwich
00:20:07 ◼ ► Got one and so they kind of staggered in
00:20:10 ◼ ► I think JP's came first. He got the Milanese loop
00:20:14 ◼ ► Yeah, it's really handsome
00:20:17 ◼ ► But she so I ordered her a 38 millimeter one steel
00:20:22 ◼ ► Stainless steel with the black sport band and as soon as it came I just said this is mine now and
00:20:31 ◼ ► What are you gonna do and she doesn't honestly she's
00:20:33 ◼ ► She's very sweet and she did cheat. It's not important to her
00:20:37 ◼ ► She's just letting me wear it until I am until I get mine
00:20:40 ◼ ► and also I wanted to just like I want it was so important to me that I get to spend time with it and
00:20:45 ◼ ► You know get to know it a little bit better on an intimate level
00:20:50 ◼ ► So that I could start
00:20:53 ◼ ► You know, let's say let's say
00:20:55 ◼ ► Conceivably, this is what I do for a living I guess
00:20:59 ◼ ► Um, so it was important to me that I know what the watch is like.
00:21:03 ◼ ► Yeah, I mean in all seriousness, it is absolutely not inconceivable
00:21:08 ◼ ► that you guys will be writing, directing and shooting,
00:21:12 ◼ ► uh, a promotional video for some new product. Part of which products experience
00:21:17 ◼ ► is a watch extension. Totally. I can't wait for it to happen. We haven't done it yet,
00:21:22 ◼ ► but now we certainly can. Right. And it's, you know,
00:21:27 ◼ ► I you know you do you but you have to use it to get it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And so I've got the 38
00:21:35 ◼ ► Watch face on and it's a little small for me
00:21:39 ◼ ► I think it's a little tiny and not because it looks tiny or dainty like, you know
00:21:42 ◼ ► Like like you were saying it it looks fine, but I want a bigger screen. I think
00:21:47 ◼ ► Just yeah, like a bigger screen. I I don't I I have actually no concept of how much bigger
00:21:53 ◼ ► here the 42 is gonna look and feel on my wrist.
00:21:57 ◼ ► But I know even incrementally, what is that?
00:21:59 ◼ ► Four millimeters out of, is like nearly a 10%,
00:22:04 ◼ ► oh well it's a little bit more than a 10% increase, right?
00:22:06 ◼ ► - Yeah, but it's somehow, my guess is with you going
00:22:11 ◼ ► from 38 to 42, when yours shows up, you're gonna be like,
00:22:14 ◼ ► you're gonna have like 15 minutes where you're a little
00:22:16 ◼ ► worried you think this might be too big.
00:22:18 ◼ ► And then like, but then like 20 minutes later you're like,
00:22:21 ◼ ► oh no, this is right.
00:22:22 ◼ ► Which brings me to a strange phenomenon,
00:22:24 ◼ ► which is one of those first, you know,
00:22:27 ◼ ► just kind of like startling realizations that I had
00:22:30 ◼ ► having spent very minimal time with the watch.
00:22:33 ◼ ► It's just like, and I am talking about maybe 10, 15 minutes
00:22:36 ◼ ► of having the watch on my hand after I paired it
00:22:38 ◼ ► and I sunk it and put the phone back in my pocket.
00:22:41 ◼ ► The next opportunity I had to take the phone out,
00:22:44 ◼ ► it felt like a giant screen.
00:22:46 ◼ ► Like, did you have that experience too?
00:22:48 ◼ ► Where your phone came out and you're like, whoa,
00:22:50 ◼ ► This is like a flat screen that I just took out of my pocket.
00:22:53 ◼ ► - Yeah, a little bit.
00:22:54 ◼ ► Especially if you're trying to,
00:22:58 ◼ ► I don't think you're supposed to be dictating
00:23:04 ◼ ► large amounts of text on a watch,
00:23:06 ◼ ► but it definitely works for texting.
00:23:07 ◼ ► And I think that the Siri transcription
00:23:11 ◼ ► is really, really good, including when you're out on cellular.
00:23:14 ◼ ► - Yeah, it's great.
00:23:19 ◼ ► I haven't used it a whole lot.
00:23:20 ◼ ► I mean, I've used it a little bit,
00:23:22 ◼ ► but you know, there's the whole kind of
00:23:24 ◼ ► social acceptability of dictating
00:23:30 ◼ ► into your watch in public,
00:23:32 ◼ ► or dictating into your phone even.
00:23:34 ◼ ► Like if you're at the market,
00:23:36 ◼ ► you don't wanna talk to your thing
00:23:37 ◼ ► 'cause you sound like a dick, right?
00:23:40 ◼ ► - I feel like that's the case.
00:23:41 ◼ ► Do you, like if you get a thing on your watch,
00:23:44 ◼ ► if you get a text on your watch from Amy,
00:23:47 ◼ ► and you're at Whole Foods
00:23:49 ◼ ► and you're not the only one in the aisle,
00:23:52 ◼ ► do you respond or do you do an emoji
00:23:57 ◼ ► even though emojis are for children?
00:23:59 ◼ ► - I'm kind of, I'm a little self-conscious about it,
00:24:05 ◼ ► but I try to, I just try to start walking in a direction
00:24:07 ◼ ► where I'm away from other customers
00:24:09 ◼ ► and I try to keep my voice down and cut my hands.
00:24:13 ◼ ► But I do, I cut my hands around the watch,
00:24:16 ◼ ► I realize, though, that it does kind of make you look conspirational. Like, you know what I mean?
00:24:21 ◼ ► Like, you're going off and whispering into your own rest. Like, 'cause like, the thing I'm
00:24:26 ◼ ► self-conscious about is I don't want to be loud talking into it. Like, I'll only do it in a way
00:24:31 ◼ ► that it seems as though strangers aren't going to hear what it is that I'm dictating, even though
00:24:36 ◼ ► if they looked at me and gave two seconds of thought about it, they'd realize I must be talking
00:24:40 ◼ ► to some kind of gadget. But as long as they can't really hear me and I'm not intruding on their
00:24:45 ◼ ► conversations and I don't mind and I feel like it's the way the future and got yeah,
00:24:50 ◼ ► it is the way of the future and God bless you for being polite and considerate about it.
00:24:54 ◼ ► And especially thinking about how many people probably out there and in the world wouldn't be
00:25:00 ◼ ► and also like think about how far we've come that it used to be like people
00:25:05 ◼ ► loud talking to their Bluetooth earpiece or whatever that were.
00:25:09 ◼ ► And I also think that it's, you know, and it just became acceptable and it's just,
00:25:15 ◼ ► you can't go anywhere in the Western world without seeing it, but at first,
00:25:20 ◼ ► 10 years ago, it was really weird when you would see grown adults, like in public,
00:25:27 ◼ ► thumb typing into a three-inch device with all of their attention on it. Like, it just was a
00:25:34 ◼ ► weird thing to be doing in public, is sitting there pecking away at an electronic device,
00:25:39 ◼ ► like you know like an eight-year-old on a Gameboy. But yeah but you know but now
00:25:44 ◼ ► it's it's it's everywhere. Right now it's so something we do. And hopefully that
00:25:49 ◼ ► the idea is that just like is in that movie Her where you see people on the
00:25:56 ◼ ► subway and everybody's whispering softly into their earpiece or whatever that
00:26:01 ◼ ► that just becomes a way of life and and nobody thinks twice about it. I think
00:26:06 ◼ ► think it's hopefully it's gonna happen and hopefully it doesn't create a cacophony of
00:26:13 ◼ ► environmental pollution.
00:26:15 ◼ ► Did you like her?
00:26:18 ◼ ► Yeah, I loved that.
00:26:19 ◼ ► I loved it.
00:26:20 ◼ ► I loved it too.
00:26:21 ◼ ► Yeah, it hit me deeply on an emotional level but also it's just fun for future thinking
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00:26:29 ◼ ► Yeah, hold that thought.
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00:29:31 ◼ ► So her her I thought why?
00:29:33 ◼ ► It it's so I think it's gonna hold up really well
00:29:39 ◼ ► I like the movie and I think even where 20 years from now when we're past the point they're projecting to
00:29:45 ◼ ► Technologically and so there's obviously they're gonna have made some mistakes
00:29:49 ◼ ► I think it's gonna look pretty good in hindsight though sort of like the way 2001 seems great
00:29:54 ◼ ► Sure, or even or Blade Runner like the fashions are all sort of like weighted toward that era
00:30:00 ◼ ► Weighted toward the early 80s with the shoulder pads and the angles and whatnot
00:30:04 ◼ ► Just like the high-waisted pants in her are kind of weighted towards to on 2013 or 2014
00:30:10 ◼ ► I think it'll hold up and it'll sort of be emblematic of
00:30:15 ◼ ► of our version of futurism.
00:30:17 ◼ ► - Yeah, and I feel like the thing that they got right
00:30:20 ◼ ► and that Apple is clearly moving towards
00:30:22 ◼ ► is that your gadgets still totally matter as much as ever.
00:30:26 ◼ ► But your identity and your treatment,
00:30:29 ◼ ► they're all just front ends to like a cloud-based system.
00:30:33 ◼ ► And you just pick the size that you want at this moment.
00:30:37 ◼ ► - Right, and what they did in Her was they even removed
00:30:43 ◼ ► like a lot of the visual component
00:30:45 ◼ ► and just had it be so reliant on voice and sound,
00:30:50 ◼ ► which was an interesting way to go.
00:30:52 ◼ ► And I don't know how far we're gonna go in that direction,
00:30:56 ◼ ► especially with Siri and the state that it's in now
00:31:00 ◼ ► in terms of its ability to understand us
00:31:04 ◼ ► and communicate back.
00:31:05 ◼ ► I thought it was interesting.
00:31:08 ◼ ► And also just as a storytelling element,
00:31:11 ◼ ► by not inundating the technology with visuals,
00:31:15 ◼ ► they allowed the human elements
00:31:17 ◼ ► to take more of a front seat.
00:31:21 ◼ ► - Yeah, and I feel like it's,
00:31:23 ◼ ► like the touch components on the watch play into that too,
00:31:28 ◼ ► where it's not about what you're looking at.
00:31:31 ◼ ► It's some other sense.
00:31:33 ◼ ► And with her, a lot of the,
00:31:35 ◼ ► and cinematically, it has to be, it can't be touch, right?
00:31:40 ◼ ► I mean, at least not with the display outputs that we have at the moment.
00:31:49 ◼ ► Although I guess you can imagine some kind of game that ties into like an Apple Watch
00:31:52 ◼ ► and like rumbles on your wrist at certain points in a movie like the way that a rumble
00:31:55 ◼ ► pad in a video game would.
00:31:57 ◼ ► So maybe something like that is coming now that I think about it off the top of my head.
00:32:00 ◼ ► But you know, it just had to be verbal because that makes for cinema and it lets Scarlett
00:32:06 ◼ ► Johansson, you know, truly act.
00:32:08 ◼ ► Basically the best vocal interface in the world.
00:32:13 ◼ ► Her voice was just like representative of what technology, AI should sound like.
00:32:22 ◼ ► It really was.
00:32:23 ◼ ► Without being a creepy perv about it.
00:32:25 ◼ ► Like yeah, that's what I would want my robot to sound like too.
00:32:30 ◼ ► But to me it was the interaction that the characters had with the technology was so
00:32:34 ◼ ► ambient and you know you didn't have to break stride while you were getting off the train
00:32:37 ◼ ► to walk to your office building and something some kind of notification would come in. You don't
00:32:41 ◼ ► break stride and that to me is what the touch on the wrist helps to enable. Absolutely just
00:32:47 ◼ ► it's there you just kind of ambiently feel it and like in a tactile way. And so like what do you
00:32:55 ◼ ► feel like how's the how's the Taptic engine holding up for you? Do you enjoy it? I do. I
00:33:01 ◼ ► enjoy it a lot and like more and more as time goes on I've got my watch the sound off all the time.
00:33:07 ◼ ► I never… some of the sounds are too annoying and I find that they're not necessary.
00:33:13 ◼ ► I haven't really learned to distinguish between what the different sounds and the
00:33:17 ◼ ► different patterns and everything mean.
00:33:20 ◼ ► I think universally they just mean hey look over here or glance over here rather.
00:33:27 ◼ ► But it's never a displeasing feeling to like to just have a small like little minute
00:33:32 ◼ ► tap even if it happens whatever ten times in an hour or something or even
00:33:37 ◼ ► yeah because something's going up like some group chat that you're on is blown
00:33:41 ◼ ► up and is getting messages you know a frequent barrage of messages from
00:33:45 ◼ ► colleagues or something like that right I mean if you're doing something else
00:33:48 ◼ ► important like like recording a podcast and like and your wrist is blowing up
00:33:52 ◼ ► then that's maybe not as not quite not quite as fun but I for the first few
00:33:57 ◼ ► days after I had I was wearing the watch I was I found myself wanting more taps
00:34:02 ◼ ► like I wanted like well I'd be driving and I turned on navigation even though I
00:34:08 ◼ ► know exactly how the hell to get to where I'm going
00:34:11 ◼ ► turn on navigation just because it's kind of fun to get 12 taps to turn right
00:34:15 ◼ ► or something yeah that physically pleasing of a sensation I forget if I
00:34:20 ◼ ► talked to I know I didn't write about it but I may be a man but I did I got
00:34:23 ◼ ► driving directions to my accountant last month and so this was to get my taxes
00:34:28 ◼ ► done and the Daring Fireball LLC tag, you know, it's a whole afternoon. And it's, I
00:34:35 ◼ ► don't know, maybe like a 20 to 30 minute drive outside the city. It was actually the first
00:34:40 ◼ ► time I was driving with the i-Thing and I wanted to test the directions. Now I've been
00:34:45 ◼ ► going to the same accountant for years and years and years, so I know how to get there,
00:34:48 ◼ ► but I wanted to try the directions. But it was actually kind of an amazing, in one of
00:34:52 ◼ ► those like, I know people do this every day, but I don't drive every day, so it was a little
00:34:55 ◼ ► science fiction to me—is westbound out of Philadelphia, there's really only one road.
00:35:02 ◼ ► It's called the Schuylkill Expressway, and it's called the Schuylkill Expressway because it goes
00:35:05 ◼ ► right along the path of the Schuylkill River. And knowing how to spell the word "Schuylkill" is a
00:35:10 ◼ ► true test of being a Philadelphian. S-C-H-U-Y-L-K-I-L-L. Old Indian name. Anyway, you just go
00:35:18 ◼ ► out—but anyway, it's a notoriously bad road, though, because it's a lot of the way, it's only
00:35:24 ◼ ► two lanes in each direction and so any little accident and it just dies. And I ended up,
00:35:29 ◼ ► there was some kind of tractor trailer accident earlier in the morning and it had been shut
00:35:34 ◼ ► down for a while and Siri gave me what I thought was crazy directions. She was getting me off
00:35:41 ◼ ► the school goal almost as soon as I got on it and I thought, well, I'll just go her way.
00:35:44 ◼ ► And as soon as I took that exit and I looked ahead from what she steered me away from,
00:35:48 ◼ ► I was like, Oh my God, I would have, there's no way I would have made the appointment.
00:35:51 ◼ ► I would have had to like and trying to reschedule an appointment with your accountant when it's
00:35:55 ◼ ► already I don't know it was like April 4th or something like that it's like you're already
00:35:59 ◼ ► you know I mean he would have helped me out because you belong but it's still I would
00:36:02 ◼ ► have felt like it like a dirtbag you don't you don't stand your accountant up in early
00:36:07 ◼ ► April so she took me this different way where I've never been before and I really didn't
00:36:12 ◼ ► know where I was going and so I didn't know at the time what the difference between the
00:36:16 ◼ ► left and right taps were but it was enough that I just felt something and you could just
00:36:22 ◼ ► glance at your wrist and you know and it would say 600 feet make a left and it was great
00:36:27 ◼ ► I thought.
00:36:28 ◼ ► Oh yeah it was great and the display that the what you actually see on the wrist is
00:36:36 ◼ ► so minimal that it doesn't get in the way you can you can sort of interpret it at a
00:36:40 ◼ ► a glance because you're supposed to be driving and most of the experience is audio and you
00:36:47 ◼ ► know I typically when I'm driving I use Waze.
00:36:50 ◼ ► I put I mount my iPhone to the dash thing and I use Waze and Waze has better directions.
00:36:56 ◼ ► It's smarter about traffic.
00:36:57 ◼ ► It's smarter in so many ways but the audio quality sounds like it's coming through the
00:37:03 ◼ ► telephone rather than you know like a built-in library of or an internal audio engine.
00:37:10 ◼ ► I don't know technically whether that's true except Waze sounds like garbage and Apple
00:37:16 ◼ ► Maps sounds amazing.
00:37:19 ◼ ► So to go back and get directions from the watch sounds amazing and feels amazing and
00:37:25 ◼ ► it's like oh yeah.
00:37:26 ◼ ► It's again we should name one of those moments where you're like this is the future.
00:37:30 ◼ ► This feels like the future.
00:37:32 ◼ ► And even to pile on that, last week I had made a dinner reservation using OpenTable
00:37:44 ◼ ► so I could meet somebody after work.
00:37:47 ◼ ► And I get in the car and then OpenTable gives me an alert on my wrist, because they have
00:37:53 ◼ ► a watch out, gives me an alert on my wrist that I've got my dinner reservation in like
00:37:59 ◼ ► what 10 minutes or something.
00:38:01 ◼ ► And then I tap into the app on the wrist and go to the location and it opens up the map
00:38:08 ◼ ► and starts giving me directions.
00:38:10 ◼ ► Like holy cow, I didn't expect for it to do that, I didn't ask for it to do that, but
00:38:14 ◼ ► that's what the watch does in 2015.
00:38:17 ◼ ► Yeah, one of my first experiences like that was with, again I don't want to repeat myself,
00:38:26 ◼ ► but I think I said this the most, but it was on the Amtrak train and I had already saved
00:38:29 ◼ ► the pass to my pass book on the phone and it just, when I got to Penn Station, it just
00:38:38 ◼ ► appeared on my watch.
00:38:40 ◼ ► And then when we got on a train, the guy came by and I didn't have to fish anything out,
00:38:44 ◼ ► didn't have to switch.
00:38:45 ◼ ► I just held my wrist up to the guy and he scanned it and boom, we're on the train.
00:38:49 ◼ ► So it's awesome.
00:38:50 ◼ ► I feel sync between the watch and the phone is just really highly tuned.
00:38:55 ◼ ► I haven't felt it lacking in any way.
00:39:00 ◼ ► And that's kind of enjoyable to watch when you see different sync services between your
00:39:06 ◼ ► devices kind of fail at more points along the way.
00:39:12 ◼ ► Do you think it was a mistake for Apple to already have apps?
00:39:19 ◼ ► And it's absolutely true in some cases where the basic thought when they announced Apple
00:39:25 ◼ ► The watch kit back in November and said hey, we're gonna ship this in a couple of weeks
00:39:30 ◼ ► Way before the watch comes out
00:39:32 ◼ ► I just remember thing that sounds like a bad idea because you're asking people to write software even if it's a limited
00:39:38 ◼ ► SDK and it really is limited
00:39:40 ◼ ► But you're asking them to write software for a device that they've never used and so they're not really know
00:39:44 ◼ ► They're not really familiar with how they're supposed to use it
00:39:47 ◼ ► And I think it's definitely true that some apps really
00:39:51 ◼ ► Really suffer from that. Oh, absolutely
00:39:55 ◼ ► Yeah, I have a number of them on my watch that really suffered from that.
00:40:00 ◼ ► Now do you think or do you know anecdotally or otherwise whether any developers were given
00:40:05 ◼ ► early access to the watch specifically for making their apps better?
00:40:11 ◼ ► I think you have to define layers of access.
00:40:15 ◼ ► I don't think anybody got a watch.
00:40:17 ◼ ► I think some people clearly got access.
00:40:20 ◼ ► I mean and obviously a lot of people got the developer lab invitations.
00:40:24 ◼ ► And I think in the middle there's at each level there's a smaller number of developers who got
00:40:32 ◼ ► early access to I think to the labs though not not that they got to take a watch and wear it
00:40:37 ◼ ► but that they got to you know fly out to Cupertino and and write stuff yeah but on the other hand
00:40:43 ◼ ► sorry I think well I just think that for example though I would assume twitter is on that list of
00:40:49 ◼ ► companies that had really privileged access and I think that their app is useless almost
00:40:53 ◼ ► >> Oh, yeah, it's awful. But on the other hand, Marco's app is incredible.
00:41:00 ◼ ► >> Yeah.
00:41:01 ◼ ► >> And I have no idea how he kind of figured out what user patterns would make the most sense
00:41:07 ◼ ► without having the device in his hand. Except that, like, I'm never wondering. From the very
00:41:14 ◼ ► first time I launched Overcast on the watch, I never wondered how anything worked. It was
00:41:21 ◼ ► exactly where it was supposed to be. Yeah, I know he was worried about it. I remember,
00:41:25 ◼ ► because I actually helped him beta test then before he shipped it, just so that, you know,
00:41:31 ◼ ► I had the review unit and I could, you know, couldn't help much because he was getting ready
00:41:36 ◼ ► to ship it, at least a little bit of sanity checking. His big concern, or one of his concerns,
00:41:42 ◼ ► was that there wouldn't be any point to it because there's that now-playing widget,
00:41:47 ◼ ► which can work with anything. And his thought was, well, what's the point of even doing it
00:41:51 ◼ ► at all if the now playing handles everything. I said no, there's definite usefulness. Even
00:41:59 ◼ ► with just one day of testing Overcast on the watch, it was absolutely useful because there's
00:42:04 ◼ ► no way with now playing to do anything really other than just play and pause, whereas Overcast
00:42:08 ◼ ► on the watch, you can switch to a new podcast and stuff like that.
00:42:11 ◼ ► PAUL Yeah, I mean it's got context awareness. It knows what you're listening to, which is
00:42:15 ◼ ► hugely important for a podcast library where people kind of listen to every thing differently
00:42:21 ◼ ► and that's pretty awesome and I you know the now playing app is there but I don't know exactly what
00:42:29 ◼ ► it does and I don't know what it can what it hijacks and what it doesn't hijack and I'd rather
00:42:33 ◼ ► just leave it leave it alone I wish there was you know it's just one of those apple apps that you
00:42:37 ◼ ► just kind of put in a drawer somewhere. Yeah I kind of feel like as a pundit overall that it's
00:42:43 ◼ ► And it's the sort of thing that I try to be cognizant of, but I know that I'm being guilty,
00:42:47 ◼ ► is it's like Apple can't win. Because if they didn't have any apps, I would be complaining
00:42:52 ◼ ► that there should be apps already. And now that they shipped with apps on day one, I'm complaining
00:42:59 ◼ ► because the apps, some of them don't work so well, and some of them don't seem to have been designed
00:43:04 ◼ ► with the context in mind. Yeah, I can't wait till Slack's app gets good because I use Slack almost
00:43:10 ◼ ► more than anything besides email.
00:43:13 ◼ ► And I can't figure out how to actually respond to reply to Slack.
00:43:19 ◼ ► And if you just open up Slack, the Slack watch app, you're presented with two icons, one
00:43:27 ◼ ► of which is I think direct messages and one of which is mentions of your name.
00:43:34 ◼ ► And neither one seems to be great at tracking what conversations I actually need access
00:43:41 ◼ ► And then if you get an alert in Slack, which I always do, there's no all you can do it
00:43:46 ◼ ► on the watch is dismiss it right away.
00:43:48 ◼ ► You can't actually reply from that alert, which I don't want to do because that's I
00:43:55 ◼ ► mean Slack is all about two-way communications, not broadcasting, broadcast of a platform.
00:44:01 ◼ ► Well in the same way that you can respond to text messages, right?
00:44:07 ◼ ► It's the fact that you can respond to text messages and dictate a little thing is what
00:44:12 ◼ ► you would want to do with Slack.
00:44:14 ◼ ► And which brings me to a point I was going to make, which is like how forgiving we now
00:44:20 ◼ ► can sort of let ourselves be of like dictating.
00:44:26 ◼ ► Do you call it Siri?
00:44:29 ◼ ► I call it.
00:44:30 ◼ ► I just call it Siri.
00:44:32 ◼ ► So when you're dictating to Siri, even if it's like responding to a message, do you
00:44:37 ◼ ► - You know how you can choose a sent from iPhone signature
00:44:40 ◼ ► with mail, from mobile mail?
00:44:43 ◼ ► And the idea behind that was,
00:44:45 ◼ ► theoretically it was probably just so that you could see,
00:44:49 ◼ ► the other person receiving it cut you a little slack
00:44:52 ◼ ► for reasons of brevity or typos or whatever.
00:44:55 ◼ ► I feel like Dictated by Siri kinda needs its own little,
00:44:59 ◼ ► and by the way, I turn sent from my iPhone off
00:45:03 ◼ ► because I will like, I'll write a frickin' novel
00:45:06 ◼ ► in an email from my phone.
00:45:08 ◼ ► It's just like one of my, I play my email on my phone
00:45:11 ◼ ► like Beethoven and I take pride in that
00:45:15 ◼ ► with italics and proper quote levels and everything.
00:45:19 ◼ ► And so it would shame me to tell somebody--
00:45:23 ◼ ► - To try to make an excuse.
00:45:24 ◼ ► You wouldn't wanna-- - Yeah, yeah.
00:45:25 ◼ ► I wouldn't wanna do that.
00:45:26 ◼ ► But then again, if you're trying to respond to a message,
00:45:32 ◼ ► dictated into your watch and then beat
00:45:34 ◼ ► and then go on with your business,
00:45:36 ◼ ► you're not gonna sit there getting frustrated
00:45:38 ◼ ► because she misheard something
00:45:40 ◼ ► and maybe it's clear enough,
00:45:41 ◼ ► maybe it's like enough to get the point.
00:45:45 ◼ ► I've had a couple of misfires
00:45:48 ◼ ► with badly dictated messages, replies to text,
00:45:53 ◼ ► but that's just kind of fun.
00:45:55 ◼ ► - It's partly because there's like a tipping point
00:46:02 ◼ ► I've realized where as Siri dictation has crossed some point on the curve between too
00:46:11 ◼ ► slow and inaccurate to be useful and it's reached a tipping point now where it's quick
00:46:16 ◼ ► enough and accurate enough to be useful.
00:46:19 ◼ ► And I, you know, and this has happened for me sometime in the last year.
00:46:25 ◼ ► You know, and I wrote a piece about it about how it was so much better on my iPhone a couple
00:46:28 ◼ ► months ago like I think it a large part them ramping this up for the watch but
00:46:34 ◼ ► as it reaches that tipping point suddenly you trusted a lot more whereas
00:46:38 ◼ ► in the first couple of years where Siri existed and they had this dictation I
00:46:42 ◼ ► would double-check every time before I'd hit send and now I a lot of times I I'm
00:46:47 ◼ ► hitting send without really looking at it and sometimes they are there's some
00:46:51 ◼ ► pretty bad typos in there. Yeah I accidentally texted to Roxanna the other day she said hey
00:46:59 ◼ ► can you stop by the store on the way home and I think I did I responded I dictated do
00:47:08 ◼ ► you want me to stop on the way home or do you want to want me to come home first and
00:47:14 ◼ ► then I like I dictated that and then I went on with what I was doing what got sent was
00:47:19 ◼ ► you want me to come home? Do you want me to stop on the way home or do you want me to come home
00:47:23 ◼ ► first? I can't even." And then that's sent. And she was like, "What? Did you just say? What's
00:47:29 ◼ ► with the attitude?" Because it's like, it's like, it's like caddy. It's like kind of bitchy in the
00:47:38 ◼ ► wrong way. Yeah. Usually if it's, if it's good, meaning like it's not, it's going to be obvious
00:47:44 ◼ ► to your recipient, it's going to look like a homonym. You know, like if they read it
00:47:48 ◼ ► out loud in their head, they'll take a guess. I actually kind of like that, like with Amy
00:47:52 ◼ ► or other friends, you know, more technically inclined, you know, let's face it, it's
00:47:58 ◼ ► mostly who I'm texting. I like it when they can guess and they're like Siri or vice
00:48:04 ◼ ► versa. I'll do it to them and try to guess whether the weird typo in the message they
00:48:08 ◼ ► just sent me was because of that. Like, I feel like it's becoming a skill. Whereas
00:48:11 ◼ ► I can't even at the end doesn't sound like that. It sounds exactly like you're giving her a hard time
00:48:16 ◼ ► Yeah, it really does sounds intentional like Siri just manufactured some attitude
00:48:20 ◼ ► I can't I can't believe you would even ask me to do that
00:48:24 ◼ ► What do you think of the fact that Siri doesn't talk back to you to the watch? Oh
00:48:30 ◼ ► That's a good question
00:48:34 ◼ ► It somehow feels natural to me
00:48:37 ◼ ► Although I do feel like a lot of her personality is missing because of that
00:48:41 ◼ ► but it somehow seems right to me.
00:48:43 ◼ ► - True, but maybe we know that personality so well already
00:48:48 ◼ ► that's ingrained that we can kinda hear her voice.
00:48:51 ◼ ► Maybe like you did, it took me a couple days to realize it.
00:48:54 ◼ ► Oh, like she's not talking,
00:48:56 ◼ ► she's not talking through the speaker
00:48:57 ◼ ► when I ask her something.
00:48:59 ◼ ► She's just like, it's just coming out in text,
00:49:01 ◼ ► but I already can hear her.
00:49:03 ◼ ► - Yeah, and I guess that's why I was a little slow to answer
00:49:06 ◼ ► is because the fact that she doesn't talk,
00:49:09 ◼ ► or depending on your country and your preferences,
00:49:11 ◼ ► he doesn't talk, it sneaks up on you on the watch
00:49:16 ◼ ► and you realize only after you've really been using Siri
00:49:21 ◼ ► a lot that it never talks to you.
00:49:23 ◼ ► - Right, I kinda like it.
00:49:26 ◼ ► - It's a little bit more private.
00:49:28 ◼ ► Yeah, I had this thought that the watch is kind of,
00:49:34 ◼ ► maybe the watch is what cracks Siri open
00:49:36 ◼ ► more than, much more than any other, anything else.
00:49:38 ◼ ► the watch is kind of one of the of the of the many things that the watch is
00:49:42 ◼ ► watch is like a Siri machine basically yeah I think a large part of it I think
00:49:47 ◼ ► if you're not using Siri a couple of times a day then you're not really
00:49:51 ◼ ► getting the most out of the watch right I really do think that's true it's got a
00:49:55 ◼ ► freaking microphone in it it's I think that's one thing that's a lot of people
00:49:59 ◼ ► aren't really thinking about is you're wearing something on your on your wrist
00:50:03 ◼ ► that has a microphone in it that you can just talk to
00:50:07 ◼ ► and it can record your thoughts,
00:50:10 ◼ ► which makes it even more frustrating to me
00:50:12 ◼ ► that there's not a voice recorder app on it.
00:50:14 ◼ ► - That's a little weird.
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00:54:30 ◼ ► No voice recorder app was the thing I said, yeah, and there's no notes app
00:54:36 ◼ ► No voice recorder app
00:54:40 ◼ ► Like yeah, so like I mean you don't even need both of those
00:54:43 ◼ ► You just need one or the other because you could I feel I don't know. That's not true. I
00:54:48 ◼ ► Know what you mean though?
00:54:50 ◼ ► Because the whole idea is you just have a thought in your head you want to commit to the watch and
00:54:54 ◼ ► If you get dictaphone you want to put it down. Yeah
00:54:57 ◼ ► So why not like I do that all time do you do I I do
00:55:01 ◼ ► My number one use case for voice recorder app on the phone is when I'm working with a composer
00:55:07 ◼ ► and I don't like have an, you know, I need to like, I'll often like sing a thing if I'm
00:55:13 ◼ ► trying to express it and can't put it in words, I'll sing a thing and then I'll send it off
00:55:18 ◼ ► as an audio thing.
00:55:19 ◼ ► Or maybe sometimes we record temp voiceover with the voiceover app.
00:55:24 ◼ ► And every once in a while, I guess I'm driving and I have a thought and I want to record
00:55:29 ◼ ► it so I don't forget it.
00:55:31 ◼ ► Then that's the third use case.
00:55:33 ◼ ► But to me, the fact that there's nothing like that on the watch is unconscionable.
00:55:38 ◼ ► Yeah, the closest thing I could think of would be like, at least with the built-in apps,
00:55:44 ◼ ► would be like texting yourself.
00:55:46 ◼ ► I guess so.
00:55:47 ◼ ► But even then, it just seems a little weird.
00:55:51 ◼ ► And there are definitely third-party apps.
00:55:53 ◼ ► Evernote has a pretty decent app.
00:55:58 ◼ ► I forget what else I've tried.
00:56:01 ◼ ► And it seems like it's fairly focused on the watch specific thing.
00:56:07 ◼ ► I think if and when the day comes that there's a Vesper thing for the phone, it would really
00:56:12 ◼ ► just be a big plus button and make a new note and that's it.
00:56:16 ◼ ► Just hit plus, start talking, there's the text and then you're done.
00:56:20 ◼ ► This is really all I really want.
00:56:23 ◼ ► Sounds great.
00:56:24 ◼ ► I wonder if you could use Siri and just say, "Hey Siri, make a new note."
00:56:27 ◼ ► I wonder what she would do.
00:56:29 ◼ ► I don't know. Does she know how to work with reminders that or uh
00:56:33 ◼ ► Or any notes out that it still confuses me what Siri works with and what she doesn't work with? Yeah
00:56:39 ◼ ► I'm not sure. I don't think that would work on the watch. Although I'm not sure what happens versus the phone
00:56:43 ◼ ► You know, it's a funny thing when you're on a podcast if you use the phrase
00:56:47 ◼ ► Hey and in the name of the product it it
00:56:50 ◼ ► Will end up getting notes from people whose devices while they were listening to the show started going
00:56:55 ◼ ► I'm not saying we can't say it because it's hard to talk about it without saying
00:56:58 ◼ ► a series but it turns out though that it turns out that people who like listen obviously if you're
00:57:04 ◼ ► listening with headphones on which is probably how most people listen to podcasts nowadays it doesn't
00:57:07 ◼ ► but if you know a lot awful lot of people like my pal brent simmons he just likes to listen to
00:57:11 ◼ ► podcasts on his speakers at his desk while he works you know it's like he said like haven't
00:57:15 ◼ ► talked you know the way you know other people like to have talk radio on he just likes to have
00:57:19 ◼ ► podcasts it makes it sound like he's in a you know office full of friends or whatever but then
00:57:23 ◼ ► then it makes your charging iPhone at your desk wake up.
00:57:26 ◼ ► - That's awesome.
00:57:28 ◼ ► So I mean that's dangerous also.
00:57:31 ◼ ► Once Siri becomes more aware of operating
00:57:36 ◼ ► the insides of a phone rather than just referring
00:57:40 ◼ ► to the outsides.
00:57:41 ◼ ► - And it puts great power in front of us
00:57:44 ◼ ► 'cause we could do something like say the phrase
00:57:47 ◼ ► that would initiate that and then immediately say,
00:57:51 ◼ ► text my wife I'm leaving you send.
00:57:53 ◼ ► - Well that's dark, I was just thinking like
00:57:56 ◼ ► hey Siri make a fart sound.
00:57:58 ◼ ► - Oh right.
00:57:58 ◼ ► That's probably a little better.
00:58:03 ◼ ► - What are your favorite apps?
00:58:07 ◼ ► - I totally love the weather app.
00:58:13 ◼ ► I think that the weather app has one,
00:58:15 ◼ ► it took me a while to get used to it
00:58:16 ◼ ► and this is one of those apps,
00:58:17 ◼ ► this is the built in weather app from Apple
00:58:19 ◼ ► And it's one of those apps where it's, to me, surprisingly deep.
00:58:23 ◼ ► Because it starts with all of the cities you've configured on your iPhone weather app.
00:58:28 ◼ ► So it already knows the cities that you're interested in.
00:58:32 ◼ ► And you can scroll down to get details and you get like a 10 day forecast and all this
00:58:38 ◼ ► stuff.
00:58:39 ◼ ► You go side to side to switch cities and locations.
00:58:42 ◼ ► But then while you're on a city, you can tap it and it changes from like the next like
00:58:47 ◼ ► a clock style it's you know and to me that's optimized for the watch it's like
00:58:51 ◼ ► the next 10 hours of like precipitation the cloud cover and the temperature my
00:58:59 ◼ ► only complaint is I kind of wish that they combined the cloud cover and
00:59:04 ◼ ► temperature ones because I want the temperature and the you know whether or
00:59:07 ◼ ► not it's like likely to rain hmm you pay attention to the weather a lot I guess
00:59:13 ◼ ► you would have to. Yeah, we don't live in Southern California. I don't, I never ever
00:59:20 ◼ ► open a weather app but I'm just, I'm looking through it as you're talking and yeah it is
00:59:24 ◼ ► really nicely done. Yeah well and you know April, April's probably a good time to have been trying
00:59:29 ◼ ► it because April is the type of month where the weather is, you have no idea you know and just
00:59:33 ◼ ► because it's really cold in the morning when you wake up it might go up to 70 in the afternoon and
00:59:39 ◼ ► and you wanna see that.
00:59:40 ◼ ► So it's like just knowing,
00:59:41 ◼ ► like looking at the temperature right now
00:59:43 ◼ ► at 10 in the morning doesn't necessarily give you a clue
00:59:46 ◼ ► as to what it's gonna be like in the afternoon.
00:59:49 ◼ ► - So I think the weather app was probably
00:59:51 ◼ ► when I first put on the watch and it's loading the cities
00:59:55 ◼ ► and I saw the status spinner.
00:59:56 ◼ ► I think that's probably the first time I saw like,
00:59:59 ◼ ► oh, an app takes time.
01:00:01 ◼ ► It's not instantaneous like on your iPhone.
01:00:04 ◼ ► - Yeah, but sometimes it doesn't.
01:00:05 ◼ ► I still can't quite figure out
01:00:07 ◼ ► why sometimes it takes longer than others.
01:00:09 ◼ ► And maybe it's because I'm not quite sure how much of it is to blame on Bluetooth and
01:00:14 ◼ ► how much of it is like that the phone is checking the weather in advance already and already
01:00:22 ◼ ► has up to date weather information.
01:00:24 ◼ ► And then other times maybe the watch is like, you know, hey phone, tell me about the weather.
01:00:29 ◼ ► This guy wants to see the weather and the phone is like, oh shit, I haven't checked
01:00:32 ◼ ► in a while.
01:00:33 ◼ ► You got to wait.
01:00:34 ◼ ► Hold on.
01:00:35 ◼ ► And you know,
01:00:36 ◼ ► get smarter about caching that stuff and smarter about just collecting the data when you need
01:00:43 ◼ ► it and maybe collecting a little too much.
01:00:46 ◼ ► And maybe that's kind of like the, you know how like scrolling on the iPhone one wasn't
01:00:51 ◼ ► quite as glassy as it is now.
01:00:54 ◼ ► Maybe that's a kind of a sort of an analog to like waiting for data to load on the watch.
01:01:03 ◼ ► What about you?
01:01:04 ◼ ► What are your favorite apps?
01:01:05 ◼ ► Well yeah like I said Overcast is probably I use it a lot.
01:01:11 ◼ ► Remote is really cool.
01:01:13 ◼ ► Then again I've always been a I've always liked the remote app on the iPhone.
01:01:16 ◼ ► See I never did.
01:01:17 ◼ ► Even when it was before when people would complain endlessly about it.
01:01:21 ◼ ► Yeah it takes forever to connect but I think it's probably I'm still one of those people
01:01:27 ◼ ► that's just kind of still impressed by the fact that I can control my something on my
01:01:31 ◼ ► TV with my phone and it just it never doesn't amaze me and so now the fact that
01:01:37 ◼ ► I can do that a little bit quicker and the pairing like sort of seems to last
01:01:43 ◼ ► longer I think you know before getting dumped and I have to then reconnect I
01:01:49 ◼ ► just think it's it's pretty cool. I find that I have always I mean I just lose
01:01:56 ◼ ► the stupid Apple TV remote I lose it ten times every time I watch a movie I mean
01:02:01 ◼ ► I mean, not and lose it, meaning like,
01:02:03 ◼ ► is it on my left-hand side of the couch,
01:02:05 ◼ ► right-hand side?
01:02:07 ◼ ► 15 minutes, and all I wanted to do was quick pause
01:02:09 ◼ ► because Amy's asking me a question from upstairs
01:02:13 ◼ ► or in the kitchen or something,
01:02:14 ◼ ► and I just wanna pause the damn thing.
01:02:16 ◼ ► I really like having it on the wrist.
01:02:19 ◼ ► And it's one of those little things
01:02:21 ◼ ► where I feel like you kinda have to take
01:02:23 ◼ ► what people at Apple say at their word,
01:02:26 ◼ ► like when Tim Cook has said what he likes
01:02:27 ◼ ► about wearing the Apple Watch,
01:02:29 ◼ ► and he's, you know, I've heard him say it
01:02:31 ◼ ► like three or four times, that he likes using it
01:02:33 ◼ ► as a remote control to control his Apple TV.
01:02:35 ◼ ► And as somebody who never liked the one on the phone,
01:02:39 ◼ ► 'cause I always found then it's like, it's even worse,
01:02:41 ◼ ► 'cause it's a device that's just as small
01:02:43 ◼ ► and I can, you know, lose it between seat cushions.
01:02:46 ◼ ► But then, you know, what are the odds
01:02:48 ◼ ► that the current app is the remote app?
01:02:51 ◼ ► It's not, because I'm probably texting people
01:02:53 ◼ ► or checking Twitter because I'm doing two things at once,
01:02:55 ◼ ► and then I've got to double tap to switch.
01:02:57 ◼ ► But the way that the thing works on the watch
01:03:00 ◼ ► is if you're watching something, actively watching it,
01:03:02 ◼ ► it just automatically goes back to being the remote,
01:03:05 ◼ ► not the clock face or anything like that,
01:03:07 ◼ ► which to me is exactly what I want.
01:03:09 ◼ ► It's as though the device read my mind.
01:03:13 ◼ ► It's good for that.
01:03:15 ◼ ► A little tip, we taped the remote,
01:03:18 ◼ ► sorry, the Apple TV remote in our bedroom,
01:03:21 ◼ ► we taped it to like a little packet of Kleenex.
01:03:26 ◼ ► So that's a life hack.
01:03:27 ◼ ► But we, you know, the kids in bed with us playing with it
01:03:33 ◼ ► and he'll drop it down between the mattress
01:03:35 ◼ ► and the bed frame quicker than anything.
01:03:38 ◼ ► But yeah, so that's a fun one.
01:03:42 ◼ ► Other than that, I think activity tracker is really cool.
01:03:46 ◼ ► Heart rate monitor is really cool.
01:03:49 ◼ ► I like the fact that,
01:03:53 ◼ ► So we worked with Jawbone up as a client.
01:03:56 ◼ ► We did something with Fitbit.
01:03:59 ◼ ► So I've had the experience
01:04:01 ◼ ► of wearing these activity trackers,
01:04:04 ◼ ► but honestly it just always felt too cumbersome
01:04:07 ◼ ► for me to like keep something like with me all the time
01:04:11 ◼ ► that was dedicated to that purpose.
01:04:13 ◼ ► If I'm not gonna wear a watch,
01:04:15 ◼ ► then I don't really wanna wear a wristband
01:04:17 ◼ ► that only does that one thing.
01:04:19 ◼ ► But now that I've got everything in that thing
01:04:22 ◼ ► and the fact that it's an activity tracker,
01:04:25 ◼ ► now I'm finally getting the value of an activity tracker.
01:04:28 ◼ ► And so just earlier today,
01:04:31 ◼ ► if I can either take the elevator up to my office
01:04:34 ◼ ► or take the stairs,
01:04:35 ◼ ► and I know that this stupid thing is gonna remind me
01:04:39 ◼ ► that I have like 100 more calories to burn or something,
01:04:44 ◼ ► then I don't know why.
01:04:47 ◼ ► I guess I don't have as much free agency as I think I do,
01:04:52 ◼ ► but I'm gonna take the stairs because I'm a child
01:04:54 ◼ ► and I want a little trophy.
01:04:56 ◼ ► - I thought it was silly when I saw people say
01:04:59 ◼ ► that it had, somebody had a report,
01:05:01 ◼ ► it might have been a Wired magazine story,
01:05:04 ◼ ► like behind the scenes of the creation of the watch.
01:05:06 ◼ ► It probably was 'cause that guy had the most access
01:05:09 ◼ ► and that it's become common within Apple,
01:05:12 ◼ ► like in the middle of a meeting
01:05:14 ◼ ► for people to just stand up randomly.
01:05:16 ◼ ► Because a watch that they're wearing said,
01:05:19 ◼ ► hey, you know, you know, there's like your last chance to get another hour where you've stood for a minute and it's just like become part of
01:05:26 ◼ ► the in and again
01:05:28 ◼ ► It's like you can and within Apple
01:05:31 ◼ ► I'm sure that people would just chuckle because they know why you're doing it and maybe you wouldn't do it if you were in a
01:05:35 ◼ ► Meeting with people from another company, you know who aren't familiar
01:05:39 ◼ ► But that within the walls of Apple this create seemingly crazy behavior has become a norm
01:05:44 ◼ ► That you can just stand up for a minute and kind of you know, move your legs in the middle of a meeting
01:05:49 ◼ ► Because you want to make your watch happy and I have to admit I expected to turn that off and I still have it on
01:05:55 ◼ ► Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of fun. It's task completion
01:05:59 ◼ ► And I you got to think that an app is coming. That's more like a game
01:06:03 ◼ ► almost like yo level of stupid simplicity where
01:06:07 ◼ ► like it just reminds you it sends you a reminder to like pump your fists and
01:06:12 ◼ ► and you have to pump your fist no matter where you are.
01:06:17 ◼ ► And if you do it quicker, you get more points or something.
01:06:19 ◼ ► And then just idiots are gonna be
01:06:21 ◼ ► pumping their fists all over the place.
01:06:23 ◼ ► - I think that they did a really interesting
01:06:26 ◼ ► amount of design on those activity like summaries
01:06:31 ◼ ► and the stand reminders in terms of getting the balance
01:06:38 ◼ ► right so that you keep using it
01:06:41 ◼ ► and that it changes your behavior, which is the goal.
01:06:44 ◼ ► But combine that with,
01:06:46 ◼ ► obviously the team that made the watch has been using it
01:06:51 ◼ ► in some degree internally for a while, right?
01:06:54 ◼ ► Like a year, maybe longer, testing these prototypes.
01:06:57 ◼ ► Probably longer than that, that the people in the design lab
01:07:00 ◼ ► have been wearing the early prototypes
01:07:02 ◼ ► to try to fine tune the software.
01:07:03 ◼ ► And I feel like once they got into it for a very long time,
01:07:06 ◼ ► it would be easy to lose track of,
01:07:08 ◼ ► I think this is how a lot of first run experiences go wrong,
01:07:10 ◼ ► is that the team that makes it gets into it and gets it
01:07:14 ◼ ► and understands it and loses track of what it would be like
01:07:17 ◼ ► to have it on your wrist for the first day.
01:07:19 ◼ ► And then you feel like, my God,
01:07:21 ◼ ► this thing will not shut up about me standing.
01:07:23 ◼ ► And I feel like they dialed it back to a level
01:07:27 ◼ ► where it's really well-balanced between those two
01:07:31 ◼ ► in terms of being frequent enough
01:07:33 ◼ ► to get you to change some of your behavior,
01:07:36 ◼ ► but not so frequent that you feel like,
01:07:39 ◼ ► why in the world would this thing be bugging me like this?
01:07:43 ◼ ► - Totally, if you just, I think that's the case,
01:07:45 ◼ ► is if you ignore it, then it knows you're ignoring it.
01:07:48 ◼ ► And instead of, maybe instead of shutting itself off
01:07:51 ◼ ► completely, it just gives you less frequent alerts.
01:07:54 ◼ ► And so it's kind of like, it onboards you,
01:07:57 ◼ ► and then instead of you saying, this sucks,
01:08:00 ◼ ► I'm jumping off, it does just very smart little things
01:08:03 ◼ ► to keep you on.
01:08:05 ◼ ► And that's exactly what happened with me,
01:08:07 ◼ ► is like first I found it cool, then I found it annoying,
01:08:11 ◼ ► then I actually gave in and wanted to do what it told me.
01:08:15 ◼ ► And it has been a little bit of an eye-opener for me.
01:08:19 ◼ ► I've never worn any of those trackers.
01:08:21 ◼ ► It's been a little bit of an eye-opener for me,
01:08:23 ◼ ► like that there's definitely some,
01:08:26 ◼ ► shockingly a correlation between a very productive day
01:08:32 ◼ ► as a blogger and a very sedentary day.
01:08:36 ◼ ► Like the day that I wrapped up the second sort of Apple Watch review that I published
01:08:43 ◼ ► like a week ago, it was like my circles went nowhere.
01:08:48 ◼ ► It was like I finally got like on a chain, like I finally got on a groove and I was in
01:08:52 ◼ ► the zone and I felt like I had this article I'd been trying to get out for a long time
01:08:56 ◼ ► Alf and then it's like when I finished it, I looked down and it looked like my watch
01:09:01 ◼ ► usually does it like, you know, two in the afternoon.
01:09:03 ◼ ► You should win an award for that. All right, there should be like anti
01:09:07 ◼ ► You know how they give you the have you gotten some of those awards they give you like these. Yeah
01:09:11 ◼ ► Yeah, I just got like this silver concentric circles one. Yeah, they should give you like a booby-boo
01:09:17 ◼ ► Booby award, you know for for when you've really screwed up
01:09:20 ◼ ► Right and the thing is one of the things that's so interesting about this watch is
01:09:31 ◼ ► And I feel like it's one of those things that we just the first version of it the one that you and I are talking
01:09:35 ◼ ► About right now just has not even tapped into it. But the watch knows when you're wearing
01:09:40 ◼ ► Right it as soon as you take it off like to show somebody or to change the band or whatever
01:09:45 ◼ ► it knows it's off your wrist because the sensors are off and it locks the screen and
01:09:50 ◼ ► But that means that like if you are not going to wear it all the time
01:09:56 ◼ ► If you're gonna wear like your you know, dress watch when you go out at night or something like that
01:10:00 ◼ ► you're going to wear it sometimes. The watch knows when you're not being active because you're not
01:10:04 ◼ ► wearing it and it also knows when you're not being active even though you are wearing it,
01:10:08 ◼ ► which is a big difference, right? Like if I just decide to wear my old watch for another day
01:10:12 ◼ ► and I don't put the Apple watch on for a day, I'm not going to register any activity on the watch,
01:10:16 ◼ ► but the watch also knows that I haven't been like a complete turd.
01:10:20 ◼ ► Pete: Sure.
01:10:21 ◼ ► Ted, off screen Sure.
01:10:22 ◼ ► Whereas if you are, if you're wearing it, I think that's so interesting
01:10:25 ◼ ► and I feel like it could really come into play in a lot of different ways.
01:10:29 ◼ ► Jon Moffitt That's true, but it also entices you to keep wearing it until the moment you
01:10:35 ◼ ► shut your eyes to go to sleep, right?
01:10:37 ◼ ► Jon Moffitt Yeah, I totally underestimated that, you know, before I started wearing it, is how much
01:10:43 ◼ ► those fitness tracking things, even as somebody who's not super into those features, but they
01:10:48 ◼ ► still motivate me to keep wearing it and not wear my other watches because I want to get the credits.
01:10:53 ◼ ► Yeah I went for a run the other night and turned on the like what is it's not
01:11:00 ◼ ► it's the it's the exercise app it's not the activity tracker. Workout. Yeah the
01:11:05 ◼ ► workout app and I told it I was going for an outdoor run and I went I was
01:11:10 ◼ ► running I did I ran for 24 minutes I got home it told me you should probably run
01:11:16 ◼ ► for 30 minutes I went back out and ran for another six minutes I came back in I
01:11:22 ◼ ► I came back in the house, I took the watch off,
01:11:25 ◼ ► but it was still going 'cause it was like,
01:11:27 ◼ ► I didn't set a goal, I had just left it as an open exercise.
01:11:32 ◼ ► And I took off the watch and then like the bottom
01:11:34 ◼ ► of the watch was glowing green and it frightened me.
01:11:37 ◼ ► I didn't know why.
01:11:38 ◼ ► And then I just, like I researched it a little bit
01:11:41 ◼ ► and found out that the green light is how it actually
01:11:44 ◼ ► reads your heart rate.
01:11:45 ◼ ► Do you know about that?
01:11:46 ◼ ► - Yes, a little bit.
01:11:48 ◼ ► And I think it switches to a more powerful mode
01:11:50 ◼ ► when you're in the midst of a workout.
01:11:52 ◼ ► - Probably, yeah.
01:11:53 ◼ ► - And it pulls your heartbeat constantly
01:11:58 ◼ ► as opposed to doing it every six, seven minutes.
01:12:01 ◼ ► - Right, which is weird to me because,
01:12:02 ◼ ► if you and I are both sitting, presumably,
01:12:07 ◼ ► if you go over to the heart rate monitor
01:12:08 ◼ ► in your glances or whatever,
01:12:10 ◼ ► then it's gonna tell you your heart rate
01:12:13 ◼ ► was whatever three minutes ago,
01:12:15 ◼ ► but now it's reading, it's taking a new reading.
01:12:17 ◼ ► And that's weird to me when I saw that the first time
01:12:20 ◼ ► that three minutes ago it was like,
01:12:22 ◼ ► it was paying attention to my heart rate.
01:12:24 ◼ ► I didn't tell it to do that,
01:12:25 ◼ ► but I think it's kind of awesome that it did.
01:12:27 ◼ ► And so presumably there's like,
01:12:28 ◼ ► I've got a whole day's worth of data.
01:12:31 ◼ ► And if I were going through like medical stuff,
01:12:34 ◼ ► that would be kind of interesting to my doctor,
01:12:36 ◼ ► I would think.
01:12:36 ◼ ► - Yeah, yeah, 69 beats per minute a minute ago.
01:12:40 ◼ ► But now I just took it again, it says I'm at 83.
01:12:42 ◼ ► So I don't know, you got me excited.
01:12:45 ◼ ► I think I get nervous.
01:12:45 ◼ ► I think I get nervous when I look at it
01:12:47 ◼ ► and it makes my heart rate go up.
01:12:49 ◼ ► was six. I was I don't even want to say what mine was I was 95. That's it because I guess I
01:12:56 ◼ ► yeah that's why I'm because I'm excited yeah and I had a big lunch.
01:12:59 ◼ ► I think the workout app is an interesting app too I like it and I like the way that it is like
01:13:09 ◼ ► just brain dead super simple here's some big buttons for different types of workouts
01:13:15 ◼ ► go pick the one that you're gonna start right now tap the button and hit go.
01:13:20 ◼ ► Yeah although I wasn't sure I wasn't sure what to do when I go for a run whether I should tell it
01:13:27 ◼ ► how far I want to go or how long I want to go. Yeah I think like the last well I didn't do either
01:13:33 ◼ ► the last item on the list was just open ended just measure how how much I'm doing and then
01:13:39 ◼ ► we'll call it done. Yeah I think I think there's an interesting combination here and and again
01:13:45 ◼ ► I haven't used a Fitbit or any of those things but I feel like one of the problems that never made me want to use one
01:13:50 ◼ ► Is that they didn't really show you anything you just you know
01:13:53 ◼ ► At least the one that like Amy has it doesn't really have much of a display
01:13:56 ◼ ► It just I don't know like four bars that light up and then you have to plug it in your computer
01:13:59 ◼ ► Or sync it with the iPhone app and then use a different device to check what it thinks you did
01:14:05 ◼ ► whereas I feel like a lot of a
01:14:08 ◼ ► Lot of things with the phone to me are the key to their success is that the phone is both
01:14:14 ◼ ► both sides of the equation.
01:14:17 ◼ ► And two examples are Instagram and like Periscope
01:14:20 ◼ ► and Meerkat where it's the same device
01:14:23 ◼ ► that people are using to shoot the photos
01:14:25 ◼ ► and edit the photos and post the photos
01:14:27 ◼ ► is the same device that everyone else is using
01:14:30 ◼ ► to see the photos.
01:14:31 ◼ ► And I feel like that's the way that the fitness tracking
01:14:35 ◼ ► stuff on the watch to me works.
01:14:36 ◼ ► And I know it doesn't have like everything.
01:14:38 ◼ ► Like it's interesting where they cut it off.
01:14:41 ◼ ► Like I think it shows you like your last workout
01:14:43 ◼ ► but it doesn't show you your whole workout history.
01:14:45 ◼ ► You have to go to the phone app to see your workout history.
01:14:48 ◼ ► But that's because the history
01:14:49 ◼ ► is too much information for the watch.
01:14:50 ◼ ► It's just enough, but it's like,
01:14:52 ◼ ► here's what I think you did today.
01:14:54 ◼ ► - Yeah, and I think that that kind of just speaks
01:14:57 ◼ ► to the whole purpose of the watch in general is just enough
01:15:02 ◼ ► and not too much because too much is just gonna be,
01:15:05 ◼ ► is gonna make people, is gonna turn people off to it.
01:15:09 ◼ ► And I've noticed that just with like the notifications,
01:15:13 ◼ ► - Do you use the Gmail app at all?
01:15:16 ◼ ► - No, I do not. - Or do you just use
01:15:17 ◼ ► Apple Mail?
01:15:17 ◼ ► - I just use Apple Mail.
01:15:19 ◼ ► - So Apple Mail, well, so Sandwiches email
01:15:24 ◼ ► is all run through Google.
01:15:26 ◼ ► And Google, like, you don't get Google push email
01:15:31 ◼ ► working very well through Apple Mail.
01:15:33 ◼ ► So what I do is I use the Gmail app on my phone
01:15:38 ◼ ► to right away push me an alert, you know,
01:15:41 ◼ ► notification that I have new email.
01:15:43 ◼ ► And then when I get that alert,
01:15:45 ◼ ► I know to go into my Apple Mail app
01:15:47 ◼ ► and it'll go and fetch that email.
01:15:49 ◼ ► It's kind of a roundabout way of being obsessive about email
01:15:54 ◼ ► but it works for me.
01:15:55 ◼ ► So I use Gmail as basically like an alert.
01:15:57 ◼ ► And so I've got Gmail alerts on my watch.
01:16:00 ◼ ► And what Gmail does when it notifies you
01:16:03 ◼ ► of a new email on your watch,
01:16:04 ◼ ► is it only gives you a few lines of preview of the message.
01:16:08 ◼ ► Whereas Apple Mail, when it tells you there's a new email,
01:16:12 ◼ ► you can actually scroll through the whole email.
01:16:15 ◼ ► But the weird psychological effect of that is,
01:16:18 ◼ ► because I'm obsessive about email,
01:16:20 ◼ ► if Gmail tells me about I've got a new email
01:16:23 ◼ ► and I can see only the first few lines,
01:16:25 ◼ ► then I know I can then kind of save it for later
01:16:28 ◼ ► and then go back when I have time,
01:16:31 ◼ ► go into my mail program,
01:16:33 ◼ ► and then I know I can respond to it then.
01:16:35 ◼ ► But if it shows me the whole thing,
01:16:38 ◼ ► I think that I have to respond to it right then.
01:16:40 ◼ ► So that's another instance of just enough info
01:16:44 ◼ ► to know to do something later with it.
01:16:47 ◼ ► And this is kind of like that time,
01:16:50 ◼ ► reevaluating your time that people were talking about
01:16:56 ◼ ► early on that the watch kind of affords you
01:17:00 ◼ ► is like the opportunity to take your iPhone out
01:17:03 ◼ ► less and less.
01:17:04 ◼ ► - Yeah, and I know, I've gone back and forth.
01:17:08 ◼ ► That's one of those things where I'm so,
01:17:10 ◼ ► I feel like it's just, I'm lucky that I've had the watch as long as I have, because into me,
01:17:15 ◼ ► and it's like my opinion has changed on it, where at first I thought that it was,
01:17:21 ◼ ► that this whole argument that it's about taking your phone out less, I was like,
01:17:26 ◼ ► I'm not taking my phone out any less. I didn't think I was, but then I thought about it and I
01:17:32 ◼ ► realized I kind of was. It's like, and to me, the difference is, do I want to do something?
01:17:37 ◼ ► If I want to do something, I still go to the phone.
01:17:39 ◼ ► But it's it's like, do I just want to check?
01:17:43 ◼ ► What do I want to check something?
01:17:45 ◼ ► Then I can just look at the watch and I don't know.
01:17:47 ◼ ► There's like a subtle difference there, and I'm sure you know, there's all sorts of things that are sort of gray areas where one.
01:17:52 ◼ ► But if I'm just checking something, it's it's I'm using the watch and I'm not taking the phone out.
01:17:58 ◼ ► So I am taking the phone out, but I'm not using it less like if it's something I really want to do, I'm still going to do it on the on the phone.
01:18:06 ◼ ► Yeah, and you want to do stuff.
01:18:09 ◼ ► I even want to do more stuff with the watch.
01:18:11 ◼ ► That's one of the first things I noticed is that because we're trained to do that, you
01:18:18 ◼ ► check something and then you do something about it right away.
01:18:21 ◼ ► It feels unnatural to check something, have it appear on the watch, and not do something
01:18:26 ◼ ► about it right away.
01:18:27 ◼ ► So you have to kind of get used to that, or at least I did.
01:18:31 ◼ ► it makes me want to be able to do more with the watch but I'm okay that I can't I guess.
01:18:39 ◼ ► But yeah that's the end of that thought.
01:18:42 ◼ ► Well but I feel like email is almost like ground zero for that line of thinking because
01:18:48 ◼ ► and this is the thing that I thought boy that sounds really weird but now that I've had
01:18:51 ◼ ► the watch a month it kind of makes sense is that the watch has your email you know from
01:18:58 ◼ ► mail dot app and on the thing but you can't write so you don't get to respond and you don't get to
01:19:05 ◼ ► craft a new message it's really just read only and it's and i've been using email forever on
01:19:12 ◼ ► all sorts of everything from you know terminals to you know dial up modems and i've never heard
01:19:18 ◼ ► of a read only email client before and it just didn't make any sense to me even though i don't
01:19:23 ◼ ► write that much email anymore compared you know with slack and and instant messaging picking up
01:19:28 ◼ ► up a lot of the smaller messages.
01:19:31 ◼ ► It just didn't make sense to me,
01:19:33 ◼ ► but I kind of think it is,
01:19:35 ◼ ► 'cause I think it's exactly that use case
01:19:36 ◼ ► where you said, where it's really,
01:19:38 ◼ ► even though you can read the whole message on the watch,
01:19:40 ◼ ► just in case maybe it is important,
01:19:42 ◼ ► it's really just about those first few lines.
01:19:45 ◼ ► Like, is this something you wanna go deal with right now?
01:19:49 ◼ ► - And I do think there's an anxiety reduction in that.
01:19:55 ◼ ► - Absolutely, you're exactly right.
01:19:57 ◼ ► It's anxiety reducing.
01:19:59 ◼ ► 'Cause what's the alternative?
01:20:00 ◼ ► You get a notification or you get a buzz in your pocket
01:20:03 ◼ ► while you're having a conversation with somebody.
01:20:06 ◼ ► It's rude to check the notification.
01:20:08 ◼ ► So then you have the anxiety of not knowing what it is.
01:20:11 ◼ ► So I think that's it.
01:20:13 ◼ ► That sums it up right there in an instant.
01:20:15 ◼ ► It's just suddenly just from the ability
01:20:19 ◼ ► to turn your wrist 40 degrees up towards you
01:20:24 ◼ ► and glance down at it,
01:20:25 ◼ ► you know that you don't have to pay attention to it.
01:20:27 ◼ ► then you go on with the rest of your conversation.
01:20:31 ◼ ► - Do you know who has a really cool app for,
01:20:33 ◼ ► and part of it is for the phone,
01:20:35 ◼ ► but I feel like the iPhone app is actually pretty good,
01:20:37 ◼ ► is the New York Times.
01:20:38 ◼ ► And I never had the New York Times thing on my phone.
01:20:42 ◼ ► I do read the New York Times on the web a lot,
01:20:44 ◼ ► but I never really use their apps.
01:20:46 ◼ ► But I wanted to test their watch app,
01:20:49 ◼ ► and they had one of the apps that came out
01:20:51 ◼ ► like way, you know, really early,
01:20:54 ◼ ► like the day after I got the review unit.
01:20:56 ◼ ► So it was like really, there weren't that many third party
01:20:59 ◼ ► apps in the app store yet to try, so I wanted to try it.
01:21:02 ◼ ► And the reason why is that they,
01:21:05 ◼ ► unlike every other news organization
01:21:06 ◼ ► I've ever granted temporary permission
01:21:09 ◼ ► to send me notifications for,
01:21:11 ◼ ► they really do only send you notifications
01:21:13 ◼ ► for important news.
01:21:15 ◼ ► So days will go by and they don't send you any notifications
01:21:18 ◼ ► because nothing really happened.
01:21:20 ◼ ► But then, you know, like the earthquake,
01:21:25 ◼ ► the earthquake hit over in Nepal then it's like well that's something I you know that was that
01:21:29 ◼ ► was actually worth you tapping me on the wrist to tell me that it had happened um and I you know um
01:21:37 ◼ ► I don't know where I was going with that well no I mean just once again it's just enough it's just
01:21:42 ◼ ► the important stuff it doesn't need to ping you every time you know whatever that's it says I
01:21:52 ◼ ► - I don't, like I have the breaking news app on my phone.
01:21:54 ◼ ► I have Circa and you can like scroll
01:21:59 ◼ ► through the top five stories and then you're good.
01:22:05 ◼ ► And if you wanna go any deeper, but like,
01:22:07 ◼ ► so here's another question.
01:22:10 ◼ ► Do you find yourself like lying awake at night,
01:22:13 ◼ ► like in bed, you've got your watch on,
01:22:15 ◼ ► you want to like consume more content through the watch
01:22:20 ◼ ► other than because it's a new toy
01:22:22 ◼ ► and you wanna play with it?
01:22:23 ◼ ► - Only in the first few days when I had it,
01:22:26 ◼ ► and that has totally worn off.
01:22:28 ◼ ► Like I don't wanna consume any content on the watch.
01:22:30 ◼ ► Another example, it's very common for me.
01:22:33 ◼ ► I mean, I'm guessing it's probably common
01:22:36 ◼ ► for everybody who listens to podcasts.
01:22:38 ◼ ► This is the whole reason I think people like podcasts,
01:22:41 ◼ ► is that we, as a, you know,
01:22:45 ◼ ► the type of people that you and I are,
01:22:47 ◼ ► we just cannot bear to be bored at all.
01:22:49 ◼ ► for like for 15 seconds.
01:22:51 ◼ ► I cannot, you know, and again, it's, you know,
01:22:53 ◼ ► Louis C.K. has entire bits about, you know,
01:22:57 ◼ ► how this just shows up what's wrong with us.
01:22:59 ◼ ► But like, if I'm in a store and there's two people
01:23:01 ◼ ► ahead of me at the register, I'm taking out my phone
01:23:03 ◼ ► and I'm gonna read Twitter or something
01:23:05 ◼ ► because God forbid I don't have something
01:23:08 ◼ ► to occupy my mind for the next 45 seconds.
01:23:11 ◼ ► It never tempts me to go to the watch.
01:23:14 ◼ ► Like, 'cause the watch isn't a do something, don't bore me.
01:23:18 ◼ ► know like again if I'm taking action I'm I want to go find something not to be
01:23:22 ◼ ► bored by I'd still go to the phone I think to go to the phone like the watch
01:23:27 ◼ ► is for things that you don't even have to think about you know what I mean I
01:23:30 ◼ ► don't know there's like a certain and again you know Apple's using the word
01:23:34 ◼ ► it's an official name of the featured glances but I think it's brilliantly
01:23:39 ◼ ► chosen word hmm what glances do you know that's a good question I feel like I
01:23:45 ◼ ► I would have been thinking about it,
01:23:47 ◼ ► like I've been waiting for the other watch I ordered to come
01:23:50 ◼ ► and I was thinking that I would set it up differently
01:23:52 ◼ ► and probably have a lot fewer glances.
01:23:54 ◼ ► I seem to have a lot and I kind of feel like glances are
01:23:57 ◼ ► like you really should just make them your favorites
01:24:00 ◼ ► and then that's like the quickest way
01:24:02 ◼ ► to get to those things that you do
01:24:04 ◼ ► because then you don't have to go to that home screen
01:24:05 ◼ ► where there's these tiny little buttons.
01:24:06 ◼ ► You just swipe up and swipe over and there's your glance.
01:24:10 ◼ ► - Yeah, I mean when I first saw the idea of glances,
01:24:14 ◼ ► I thought that it was supposed to,
01:24:15 ◼ ► you're supposed to consider it like your doc or something.
01:24:19 ◼ ► - Those are your shortcuts.
01:24:20 ◼ ► But I think that's not what they intended for it to be
01:24:23 ◼ ► because theoretically you can access any of your apps
01:24:27 ◼ ► pretty easily anyway.
01:24:28 ◼ ► You don't need a shortcut.
01:24:30 ◼ ► I think it's just for like the little bits of information
01:24:34 ◼ ► that you want accessible to you very quickly
01:24:36 ◼ ► without having to launch the app.
01:24:38 ◼ ► That's what I think.
01:24:39 ◼ ► But I don't have too many of those things.
01:24:41 ◼ ► I mean like power, you know battery power is one of them.
01:24:45 ◼ ► What do I have?
01:24:48 ◼ ► - Yeah but I find with the battery power,
01:24:49 ◼ ► now maybe it's different for you
01:24:50 ◼ ► and I would be interested to hear that.
01:24:52 ◼ ► Like right now, mine is at 76%.
01:24:55 ◼ ► So and we're recording at, it's nine o'clock Eastern.
01:24:59 ◼ ► So I mean it's, I'm mostly through the day.
01:25:02 ◼ ► - Oh that's pretty good.
01:25:04 ◼ ► - Mine's at 59 but I pretty much obsessively like
01:25:09 ◼ ► lift my wrist every time I need one.
01:25:10 ◼ ► but I think that's a 38 42 factor, you know, like Joanna Stern and I were talking about it like
01:25:15 ◼ ► Apple's promised battery life is all for the 38 and then they just say in real small print
01:25:21 ◼ ► The 42 will get longer battery life in most contexts
01:25:24 ◼ ► And so but they don't say how much more because they don't want people to feel bad
01:25:27 ◼ ► About their 38. They just want you to get the one that's going to fit fit you right and I really think it's
01:25:33 ◼ ► Sorry, well, I just think that the battery life is not an issue
01:25:37 ◼ ► Yeah, it's not it's not going to screw anybody at the end of the day
01:25:40 ◼ ► like when they need to do whatever thing you get used to every day every night
01:25:46 ◼ ► you click in the charger and and that's and that's all you need to do it's like
01:25:52 ◼ ► yeah like you like you said you never have to think about it and there are so
01:25:55 ◼ ► many things like that that you don't have to think about and I think it's
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01:28:51 ◼ ► How's your dad?
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01:28:54 ◼ ► - He's back, he got back two days ago.
01:28:57 ◼ ► Thanks for asking.
01:28:58 ◼ ► - I was worried about him.
01:29:00 ◼ ► - Yeah, he got out.
01:29:01 ◼ ► So he was leading a crew of volunteers
01:29:06 ◼ ► doing a dental clinic.
01:29:07 ◼ ► He does that every year in Nepal.
01:29:10 ◼ ► He goes to India as well and they do Guatemala.
01:29:14 ◼ ► And so he was leading a crew in Nepal.
01:29:17 ◼ ► He had been there for a few days when the earthquake hit.
01:29:20 ◼ ► And it basically sort of shut down the building,
01:29:25 ◼ ► damaged a lot of the building where they do the clinic,
01:29:28 ◼ ► so they couldn't do the clinic.
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01:29:37 ◼ ► And then once everybody was safe and out,
01:29:40 ◼ ► with very minimal communication with the rest of my family,
01:29:45 ◼ ► we didn't quite know what was going on.
01:29:49 ◼ ► He managed to get out and landed a couple days ago
01:29:53 ◼ ► and he was on the news and I haven't watched it yet.
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01:29:57 ◼ ► So that'll be fun.
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01:30:01 ◼ ► - That's an amazing story and it's a great thing
01:30:04 ◼ ► that your dad does.
01:30:05 ◼ ► Your dad was a dentist or is a dentist now.
01:30:09 ◼ ► - He's retired, he was a kid's dentist, spaceship dentist.
01:30:12 ◼ ► His spaceships were all basically sort of pseudo Star Wars
01:30:17 ◼ ► themed with like mechanical doors, automatic doors.
01:30:22 ◼ ► - In other words, that's what you as a patient,
01:30:25 ◼ ► as when you would sit in like a little starship captain's
01:30:28 ◼ ► chair and then you'd get your teeth cleaned.
01:30:30 ◼ ► Is that what you're saying?
01:30:31 ◼ ► - Yeah, there were video monitors everywhere.
01:30:33 ◼ ► Old school, '80s video monitors.
01:30:35 ◼ ► There was like Starfield.
01:30:37 ◼ ► I think he had like real production designers
01:30:39 ◼ ► do the interiors of the offices
01:30:41 ◼ ► when he came up with this idea.
01:30:43 ◼ ► And everything was in that light gray
01:30:45 ◼ ► kind of Star Wars in inside spaceship yeah aesthetic it's pretty neat as a kid
01:30:50 ◼ ► and my robots and things yeah it makes being a dentist cool I mean honestly but
01:30:55 ◼ ► anyway what a great story glad to hear that he's okay okay well of course I
01:31:02 ◼ ► love your dad I haven't seen him yeah I know he used to go to Mac world right
01:31:07 ◼ ► here this is like the coolest dad ever spaceship Dennis chairs and took you to
01:31:12 ◼ ► mackerel. Yeah he's a good guy. I'll convince him to go again so he can come
01:31:19 ◼ ► out. He was um when the earthquake hit he was like he was getting acupuncture done
01:31:25 ◼ ► and he had like electrodes hooked up to his his feet and he had his eyes closed
01:31:32 ◼ ► and then opened his eyes and noticed that the whole world was shaking and
01:31:36 ◼ ► things were falling off the shelf. Everybody was running out of the office
01:31:40 ◼ ► where he was and he just ended up running out of the office with the electrodes strapped to his feet.
01:31:45 ◼ ► Darrell Bock No way.
01:31:46 ◼ ► PAUL Yeah.
01:31:47 ◼ ► Darrell Bock I thought you were going to say that he thought that maybe the electrodes were too
01:31:51 ◼ ► powerful. Like maybe it was just…
01:31:52 ◼ ► PAUL Yeah. Who knows what goes through your mind.
01:31:54 ◼ ► Darrell Bock I don't know.
01:31:55 ◼ ► PAUL It's not a natural thing for a human to experience.
01:31:57 ◼ ► Darrell Bock No, definitely not. I mean, and even though you guys as Californians are probably more
01:32:02 ◼ ► accustomed to thinking about earthquakes. But I don't know. It would drive me – it would be the
01:32:09 ◼ ► last thing that would occur to me. I would be like what the hell is going on and then like a minute
01:32:13 ◼ ► later someone say that was an earthquake dummy and I'd be like oh of course but that doesn't even
01:32:18 ◼ ► occur to me. Yeah no I mean it was huge it was huge it was huge. All right here's an idea that's
01:32:25 ◼ ► been popping up in my head with the watch I'm gonna hear what you think is as we go and trying
01:32:30 ◼ ► to think zigzagging between you know nitty-gritty details on the watch today and and big picture
01:32:36 ◼ ► thoughts like what's it going to be like in five years is like one thing I can't imagine
01:32:40 ◼ ► not or having on the watch because I can't figure out how they would how they would do the angles to
01:32:46 ◼ ► make it practical is how would they put a camera on it. Yeah I mean like it's interesting you you
01:32:51 ◼ ► said that because I think that's the number one missing thing right now hardware wise and I did
01:32:59 ◼ ► to me it would be it would be pretty natural I don't think it would be a front-facing camera
01:33:05 ◼ ► that like looks up at you because I think what the main use case of it is that you want to shoot
01:33:12 ◼ ► a picture of something else besides your face. It's not a FaceTime camera. It's a, you want to
01:33:19 ◼ ► avoid that seven seconds delay between reaching, you know, seeing something you want to take a
01:33:24 ◼ ► picture of, reaching your pocket, launching the camera app, shooting the picture. You want to
01:33:29 ◼ ► to avoid that so you just raise your arm and the camera is pointing outwards and there's
01:33:35 ◼ ► your camera and I feel like that cuts the experience down to maybe what two and a half
01:33:39 ◼ ► three seconds and I can already think of a number of times you know I have a two-year-old
01:33:45 ◼ ► you can never know what you never know what amazing funny thing he's gonna do next and
01:33:53 ◼ ► there's there there have already been lots of times when I when I've thought if I only
01:33:58 ◼ ► I could raise my wrist and shoot that. Yeah, well, I think that, you know, for reasons trivial,
01:34:04 ◼ ► you know, like, hey, I want to be able to shoot my kid or my cat, to the deadly serious. Like,
01:34:11 ◼ ► like the current world where ordinary citizens have a phone with them within seconds of being
01:34:19 ◼ ► launched at all times has changed the relationship with the police all around this country. Like,
01:34:26 ◼ ► a big part of what's going on with the protests in Baltimore and other cities is a lot of
01:34:33 ◼ ► ways based on footage that's come out that people have shot on their phones.
01:34:38 ◼ ► And if news is breaking, it's just getting to be at this point where it just seems like
01:34:43 ◼ ► we've always got a camera with us.
01:34:46 ◼ ► Daishi T
01:34:46 ◼ ► And the lens can be anywhere.
01:34:49 ◼ ► The lens is like sort of the easy part.
01:34:51 ◼ ► It's the sensors a little bit more difficult than the capture mechanism and the storage
01:34:57 ◼ ► is more difficult than that.
01:34:59 ◼ ► But I feel like it won't be too long where the lens is really on everybody's wrist.
01:35:05 ◼ ► So where do you think they would put it though?
01:35:07 ◼ ► Oh, I have no idea.
01:35:10 ◼ ► I am not an industrial design person.
01:35:14 ◼ ► was a Samsung phone or not phone watch that that that had it built into the wrist strap
01:35:20 ◼ ► and yeah absolutely and what my experience with that and I love telling this story is
01:35:27 ◼ ► I was I was shooting a commercial where I was on camera and what they do when with wardrobe
01:35:34 ◼ ► and continuity and everything is the second assistant director it's their job to come
01:35:38 ◼ ► over and take a picture of you after every scene so you know they know exactly what your
01:35:42 ◼ ► wardrobe looked like. And so our second AD was all day throughout the shoot coming over
01:35:47 ◼ ► with his little point-and-shoot camera, snapping a photo, saving it for continuity. And then
01:35:56 ◼ ► towards the end of the day, he said, "Oh, let me grab you real quick, take a picture."
01:36:01 ◼ ► He didn't have his camera with him, so he held up his Samsung, what is it, gear?
01:36:06 ◼ ► Yeah, well, I think they have a couple phones called gear.
01:36:10 ◼ ► So he lifted up his Samsung watch and he snaps a photo and says okay we're good.
01:36:15 ◼ ► And I was like whoa I know that the Apple watch isn't going to do that but I already
01:36:20 ◼ ► want it to.
01:36:22 ◼ ► I want the feature but I know that they're not going to build it and I can see why Samsung
01:36:26 ◼ ► put it where they did on the strap.
01:36:29 ◼ ► But it made the strap everybody you know a lot of the reviewers said it you know the
01:36:32 ◼ ► strap is not comfortable because it's you know it's got electronic circuitry between
01:36:37 ◼ ► the side of your wrist and the watch face makes it thicker and it defeats what's clearly a central
01:36:44 ◼ ► part of Apple Watch's design which is this idea of band swap ability. So I wouldn't go there but
01:36:53 ◼ ► I can see why ergonomically they put it there. Anyway, the tension that I see is that it seems
01:36:57 ◼ ► to me like the tension is I expect to have a camera with me at all times but I also now feel
01:37:03 ◼ ► like soon enough I'll be able to go with just my Apple watch and you know yeah
01:37:08 ◼ ► but yet then I wouldn't have a camera with me so then I feel like therefore
01:37:12 ◼ ► dot dot dot they have to add a camera eventually yeah well I mean it's gonna
01:37:16 ◼ ► be iterative and the first version of the camera on the watch if there is one
01:37:20 ◼ ► is gonna look like garbage just like the first you know the first camera on the
01:37:25 ◼ ► iPhone looked pretty bad do you ever go back through your photos library and
01:37:29 ◼ ► and look at the first iPhone pictures you took.
01:37:33 ◼ ► - Yeah, yeah, totally.
01:37:34 ◼ ► - And they look terrible.
01:37:35 ◼ ► And that's okay.
01:37:36 ◼ ► And there wasn't a front-facing camera at first.
01:37:40 ◼ ► And it didn't shoot video.
01:37:41 ◼ ► - Yeah, not shooting video.
01:37:43 ◼ ► Not shooting video is one that every time it comes up now,
01:37:45 ◼ ► I go back and I go back and I'm like, wait, is that right?
01:37:49 ◼ ► I gotta double check that.
01:37:50 ◼ ► And I go back. - Yeah, me too.
01:37:51 ◼ ► - And I go back and double check.
01:37:52 ◼ ► And it's like, holy shit, it did not shoot video.
01:37:55 ◼ ► It's such an integral part of the product now
01:37:59 ◼ ► that we would never be without,
01:38:01 ◼ ► that it doesn't make sense that they would ever
01:38:02 ◼ ► ship something without that.
01:38:04 ◼ ► And you just have to wonder how many of those things
01:38:07 ◼ ► are not in the watch right now.
01:38:10 ◼ ► I feel like there's gotta be some way that they could do it.
01:38:13 ◼ ► I don't know if it would be.
01:38:14 ◼ ► Maybe it would be a front-facing camera,
01:38:16 ◼ ► so you could use it for face time.
01:38:18 ◼ ► But then if you turn your wrist away,
01:38:20 ◼ ► you wouldn't be able to see the framing.
01:38:23 ◼ ► You would just point your wrist at what you're shooting
01:38:25 ◼ ► and hit the digital crown and it would snap a photo
01:38:28 ◼ ► and then you could turn your wrist back
01:38:30 ◼ ► to see what it captured.
01:38:32 ◼ ► - Yeah, that seems like it would work.
01:38:35 ◼ ► I mean, we're not all framing up.
01:38:38 ◼ ► - Our iPhone snaps pretty, very specifically anyway.
01:38:42 ◼ ► I mean, that's the sort of thing where I could be off base
01:38:44 ◼ ► and maybe there'll never be a camera on it,
01:38:45 ◼ ► but I feel like, I don't know,
01:38:46 ◼ ► seems to me like everything gets a camera eventually.
01:38:49 ◼ ► - It does and everything gets smaller
01:38:52 ◼ ► and faster and everything.
01:38:55 ◼ ► I loved that part of what of yours and Molt's conversation
01:38:58 ◼ ► where you were talking about the iPad and the rev cycles
01:39:02 ◼ ► and your reasoning behind, was this your reasoning
01:39:06 ◼ ► or was this somebody else's that you read?
01:39:08 ◼ ► The reasoning behind people not updating as much.
01:39:12 ◼ ► - It was sort of what I was thinking
01:39:14 ◼ ► but it was better put into words by that one comment
01:39:18 ◼ ► on Dr. Drang's blog, like a reader of his blog.
01:39:23 ◼ ► that was so smart I mean so you can recap it if you want I probably want to
01:39:28 ◼ ► his case probably still won't do as succinct a job as that guy did but it
01:39:32 ◼ ► was the basic gist was that we're only five years into this you know the first
01:39:38 ◼ ► iPad was five years ago so we're still in the first upgrade cycle and seems
01:39:42 ◼ ► like for a lot of people on iPad lasts you know four or five years and so we
01:39:46 ◼ ► still haven't gotten to the point where you kind of know how many people should
01:39:50 ◼ ► be you know if Apple is doing a good job with making new products every year how
01:39:55 ◼ ► many people should be buying one every year because their people are still on
01:39:59 ◼ ► their first one and they're pleased with it yeah and when why wouldn't they be it
01:40:03 ◼ ► does it does pretty much what what you needed to do which is it you can browse
01:40:08 ◼ ► web you can watch video you can do some creative kind of stuff and the processor
01:40:16 ◼ ► hasn't gotten that much faster and yeah Roxana's dad still uses the version 1
01:40:23 ◼ ► iPad that we that I had originally bought and we gave to him because all he
01:40:28 ◼ ► wants is to watch YouTube videos all day of like classical music and architecture
01:40:33 ◼ ► videos and stuff and it does it does a trick for him and I and it's such a is
01:40:39 ◼ ► it weird to say it's kind of like a secondary device it's not no I don't
01:40:42 ◼ ► think it's weird to say I think it's you know it is what it is you know and I
01:40:46 ◼ ► I think we're going to get, as time goes on,
01:40:48 ◼ ► we're gonna get more and more secondary tertiary,
01:40:51 ◼ ► we're just gonna surround ourselves with little displays.
01:40:54 ◼ ► You know, and that's what the watch is another one, I think.
01:40:56 ◼ ► Is that, I mean--
01:40:58 ◼ ► - Well it could be, but it also could be a primary.
01:41:00 ◼ ► Like I think that the second it gets a feature
01:41:03 ◼ ► that is a must-have feature that version one doesn't have,
01:41:06 ◼ ► I think it'd be, it's no longer a secondary device
01:41:10 ◼ ► and it's a primary device.
01:41:11 ◼ ► Like even like just consider what would happen
01:41:15 ◼ ► if the next, if maybe two years from now,
01:41:18 ◼ ► it's got a camera and people start seeing
01:41:21 ◼ ► that people who have just bought the new version two watch
01:41:25 ◼ ► are getting all these cool cameras or whatever.
01:41:28 ◼ ► Argument's sake, it's some other feature
01:41:31 ◼ ► that you can only do with version two.
01:41:34 ◼ ► - And like, you know, the fact that the iPad got a lens
01:41:38 ◼ ► on it was not that killer app that the iPad needed
01:41:41 ◼ ► in order for people to buy more of them.
01:41:44 ◼ ► I think you can make an argument that the iPhone 1 suffered from enough feature constraint
01:41:54 ◼ ► that version 2 was where people started to really buy into it and it allowed them to
01:42:02 ◼ ► do more things.
01:42:04 ◼ ► And how many people did you see using a version 1 iPhone even three years after the iPhone
01:42:09 ◼ ► launched?
01:42:10 ◼ ► Oh, all the time.
01:42:11 ◼ ► Oh, really?
01:42:12 ◼ ► Well no actually I guess I would say the opposite now that I think about it.
01:42:17 ◼ ► Well I mean my question was kind of leading in the opposite direction.
01:42:20 ◼ ► I feel like there weren't that many people.
01:42:21 ◼ ► I feel like the iPhone 1 kind of disappeared quickly.
01:42:24 ◼ ► I could be wrong.
01:42:25 ◼ ► Yeah and because they didn't in the grand scheme of things they didn't really sell that
01:42:29 ◼ ► many in the first place.
01:42:30 ◼ ► I guess so yeah you're right and it could be just like a parallel model with the watch.
01:42:36 ◼ ► Do you know what made me jump on that and say yes was that there's one teacher at Jonas's
01:42:39 ◼ ► school who was using an original iPhone until like last year and that's so cool it's a beautiful
01:42:45 ◼ ► it is a beautiful device it's gorgeous i love the device and you know i i just don't think that he
01:42:52 ◼ ► was you know he cared you know about the technology or whatever but it was he just shot to mind is yes
01:42:57 ◼ ► i saw that one teacher who's still using an old iphone uh yeah but no i mean like the argument i
01:43:04 ◼ ► I was trying to make is that the iPhone 1 lacked so many features that then came out
01:43:11 ◼ ► in iterative versions that it became obsolete pretty quickly.
01:43:17 ◼ ► That's what I was going with.
01:43:20 ◼ ► And so that didn't happen with the iPad, but I think it will happen with the watch.
01:43:24 ◼ ► I think the watch will start to get new things that only later versions of the watch can
01:43:29 ◼ ► have.
01:43:30 ◼ ► you know, I think medical sensors and stuff like that too, you know, who knows what it'll be
01:43:35 ◼ ► We I wouldn't know I probably would not have predicted
01:43:37 ◼ ► It was the camera back then because I don't think our expectation was so low for cell phone cameras that I thought
01:43:44 ◼ ► Well, of course these pictures aren't great. It's a cell phone camera and it never not weird
01:43:48 ◼ ► Yeah that the landscape for video for mobile video back then was the flip camera. Yeah, I was just thinking about that because when the first
01:43:56 ◼ ► iPhone with video did come out
01:43:59 ◼ ► I remember comparing it against the Flip,
01:44:02 ◼ ► and the Flip still had better picture.
01:44:05 ◼ ► And you think, well, of course it had better picture.
01:44:07 ◼ ► It's a dedicated camera.
01:44:08 ◼ ► Whereas the writing was on the wall
01:44:10 ◼ ► that they just could not compete with Apple in the long run,
01:44:13 ◼ ► and the sensor technology is advancing it.
01:44:15 ◼ ► It's such an amazing clip that it didn't take long
01:44:18 ◼ ► for there to be an iPhone that blew the Flip away.
01:44:22 ◼ ► And then, just quality-wise,
01:44:24 ◼ ► let alone in terms of only having one device in your pocket
01:44:27 ◼ ► and already being on the internet, et cetera.
01:44:31 ◼ ► - No, but we have tons of videos
01:44:35 ◼ ► from the earlier years of Jonas's life
01:44:38 ◼ ► that were all shot on flips.
01:44:40 ◼ ► I don't know, I do know where the files are,
01:44:42 ◼ ► but it feels like a bygone era.
01:44:47 ◼ ► - It does, and because,
01:44:50 ◼ ► I feel like there's no longer this idea of scarcity.
01:44:55 ◼ ► Well, I don't know, it's an interesting question.
01:44:56 ◼ ► Do you feel like when you're rolling video on your iPhone,
01:45:00 ◼ ► do you feel like storage is scarce
01:45:02 ◼ ► and you wanna keep it to it,
01:45:03 ◼ ► like you wanna cut the clip short?
01:45:05 ◼ ► Obviously you're not gonna shoot a two hour video
01:45:07 ◼ ► of piano recital on your iPhone or something like that.
01:45:11 ◼ ► - No, I don't do stuff like that.
01:45:13 ◼ ► But I don't-- - Most of the clips
01:45:13 ◼ ► are gonna be like a minute, two minutes at the most.
01:45:16 ◼ ► - Yeah, well, the video story for us is weird
01:45:20 ◼ ► because, so Jonas was born in 2004
01:45:26 ◼ ► And so for, in January, and so for Christmas that year,
01:45:31 ◼ ► my mother-in-law got us a Panasonic Mini DV camera.
01:45:36 ◼ ► She wanted, you know, she was like,
01:45:37 ◼ ► "I wanna buy you a camera, you know, I want, you know,
01:45:39 ◼ ► "lots of video." - That's right.
01:45:40 ◼ ► - It was wonderful, and you know, she said,
01:45:42 ◼ ► "What, you tell me what to get."
01:45:43 ◼ ► And I got a, you know, I don't know, you know,
01:45:46 ◼ ► like a consumer, you know, dad,
01:45:47 ◼ ► it was a dad camera from 2004.
01:45:49 ◼ ► I thought it was cool how small Mini DV was, you know.
01:45:53 ◼ ► But then, you know, it's like, so first few years of his life, like 2004, 2005, 2006 especially,
01:46:01 ◼ ► it's all shot on mini DV tapes.
01:46:05 ◼ ► And I, because they were tapes, then you, to me, once you get over halfway done with
01:46:11 ◼ ► your tape, you're like, well, I'll just keep shooting because, you know, it'll say,
01:46:16 ◼ ► you know, like the little sticker on the tape that says Mother's Day 2006 or something
01:46:21 ◼ ► I might as well just shoot the rest of the tape though because the next time I want to shoot something
01:46:24 ◼ ► I want to start with a fresh tape. Yeah
01:46:26 ◼ ► So I think that those early years of his life where I was shooting mini TV
01:46:30 ◼ ► there's a lot of filler footage where I just let the camera go because I figured I'd rather just use up the tape and
01:46:37 ◼ ► then the next era is the flip era where most of the videos were shot with the flip and then
01:46:43 ◼ ► They're the clips are like just as long as you want them to be and it's you know
01:46:48 ◼ ► We don't need to we don't need footage of every single present being open on Christmas. This is good
01:46:53 ◼ ► We got the one where he you know was most excited and put it away
01:46:56 ◼ ► Yeah, and did you think that when you had a flip did you think of those videos as files? No, no
01:47:02 ◼ ► Not really, but I was always glad though that they would be more easily put on a hard drive
01:47:08 ◼ ► You know and moved from computer to computer than the DVD the mini TV tapes, which I've still never really dealt with
01:47:16 ◼ ► I'm just so thankful now that we're moving to the side. Yeah
01:47:19 ◼ ► cliche but the era of the cloud and that literally, you know, it took five days for
01:47:25 ◼ ► everything to sync when I migrated to photos, but my
01:47:30 ◼ ► 25,000 photos and my
01:47:32 ◼ ► 2000 videos that I've shot are all somewhere protected in the cloud and I never have to worry about cassettes
01:47:39 ◼ ► I never have to worry about
01:47:40 ◼ ► You know obsolete
01:47:42 ◼ ► disk formats hard drives all that stuff is just like it's somebody else's problem now and
01:47:48 ◼ ► And it's not there's no barrier to going and recalling it
01:47:51 ◼ ► I don't need a deck to play all that stuff. I don't need a special cable, right? It's just it's just there
01:47:57 ◼ ► I think that's a beautiful beautiful thing that I
01:47:59 ◼ ► mean there a lot of lip service is paid to it because everybody's you know, the cloud is is what it's the
01:48:07 ◼ ► It's the golden
01:48:10 ◼ ► I can't even think of the words to express what I was trying to say.
01:48:15 ◼ ► The cloud is so whatever, it's just, it's trite at this point, but it's very real.
01:48:21 ◼ ► Like that data storage has sort of disappeared and we don't have to worry about it anymore.
01:48:26 ◼ ► Yeah, I like the way, to me it feels like magic when I take, and I take more screenshots
01:48:30 ◼ ► with my stupid watch than most people because I'm thinking about tweeting things like about
01:48:34 ◼ ► a stupid UI or maybe thinking about it for an article or whatever.
01:48:38 ◼ ► But it's really cool to me that when you do it and you take a screenshot, it just shows
01:48:41 ◼ ► up on your phone.
01:48:43 ◼ ► And then I was like texting them from my phone to myself or air dropping them, air dropping
01:48:49 ◼ ► them to my Mac.
01:48:50 ◼ ► And then I thought, I thought, you know what, I bet they just show up in the new Photos
01:48:53 ◼ ► app.
01:48:54 ◼ ► And I went to the new Photos app and there, you know, it says today and there's all your
01:48:58 ◼ ► screenshots.
01:48:59 ◼ ► They just show up.
01:49:00 ◼ ► You don't have to sit there and airplay them around, air drop them around to yourself.
01:49:04 ◼ ► You just wait a couple seconds and it just shows up in photos quicker than if you had
01:49:09 ◼ ► sent it.
01:49:10 ◼ ► It's there.
01:49:11 ◼ ► I mean, obviously images are heavier data than something like a contact, but you remember
01:49:17 ◼ ► that feeling of like when iCloud first got its shit together and you could add a new
01:49:22 ◼ ► contact on your phone, it would show up in your contacts app in your Mac instantaneously
01:49:27 ◼ ► or a calendar or something.
01:49:28 ◼ ► That's very lightweight data.
01:49:29 ◼ ► It was still impressive that they got it all working, especially after MobileMe.
01:49:33 ◼ ► But now that the fact that they can do that with images, which 10 years ago we would have
01:49:39 ◼ ► just like, everything would have choked instantaneously.
01:49:43 ◼ ► I think that's incredible.
01:49:47 ◼ ► It's really fun to watch and I think that the one thing that disappoints me is that
01:49:51 ◼ ► Apple hasn't done a great job of educating people on the fact that it exists and preparing
01:49:59 ◼ ► them for what it means with everything that everybody's like constantly collecting with
01:50:05 ◼ ► their devices.
01:50:06 ◼ ► I still kind of feel like Apple's nickel and diamond people on the cost.
01:50:09 ◼ ► I feel like the free tier could be significantly higher.
01:50:13 ◼ ► Like I don't mind paying four bucks a month or whatever I am for 200 gigabytes or whatever.
01:50:18 ◼ ► But I kind of feel like the free tier is way too stingy.
01:50:21 ◼ ► Like there's no way it covers everybody's photos and videos.
01:50:25 ◼ ► And then –
01:50:27 ◼ ► I bet they open that up pretty quickly though.
01:50:28 ◼ ► Yeah, I think so too that's but it seems like that sort of thing that that they'll just keep every WWDC
01:50:33 ◼ ► They'll announce new pricing and they'll always by the time May rolls around will always be bitching about you know
01:50:39 ◼ ► How much it cost because it was prices were set a year ago
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01:55:58 ◼ ► But I could have imagined doing it and I could have imagined that the way that I did it was by selling ads
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01:56:24 ◼ ► hover has been a sponsor of this show as long as the show has had
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01:56:49 ◼ ► Let's bring it home. But what are your last thoughts on the watch?
01:56:51 ◼ ► What do you what do you want to talk about that? We haven't talked to about yet
01:56:54 ◼ ► Well, I mean just we talked about the future a little bit
01:56:59 ◼ ► Mean I said the camera what do you what else do you think that the watch has in?
01:57:04 ◼ ► In two or three years that it doesn't have now well
01:57:07 ◼ ► I can't figure out how they'll do it, but I can't it to me. It's gotta gain its own networking
01:57:13 ◼ ► But then you know so you so you don't need an iPhone eventually is that what you're saying like yeah
01:57:19 ◼ ► But it's I'm not quite sure you know
01:57:21 ◼ ► Maybe it's just Wi-Fi
01:57:23 ◼ ► I would probably would be at first probably the first step to that would be to have true Wi-Fi
01:57:28 ◼ ► And I know that it this gets complicated because the watch does support Wi-Fi at a certain level
01:57:33 ◼ ► But it's really just using like that back channel Wi-Fi to stay in contact with your phone while you're on the same network
01:57:39 ◼ ► So like your phone can be all the way
01:57:41 ◼ ► On the fourth floor and you're down in the basement
01:57:44 ◼ ► You know getting clothes out of the dryer and it's still connected because it's on the Wi-Fi but your phone
01:57:49 ◼ ► I mean your watch doesn't get on Wi-Fi like if your phone isn't with you period that's really cool
01:57:55 ◼ ► I didn't realize that that's how that worked. I because I'd heard that it had Wi-Fi by right because Bluetooth
01:58:01 ◼ ► I the gist of it is I think Bluetooth is a practical range of about 30 feet and
01:58:06 ◼ ► You know, I think it gets kind of sketchy at that, but it definitely is true
01:58:11 ◼ ► I've I haven't some people have asked like have I tested exactly how far away the phone can be now because I don't do reviews
01:58:16 ◼ ► like that
01:58:17 ◼ ► like I'm not gonna sit there with a tape measure and
01:58:19 ◼ ► Measure whether I get text messages at 25 feet and do I get them at 26 feet and stuff like that?
01:58:24 ◼ ► But I've definitely had the phone way more than 30 feet away inside my house and I still
01:58:29 ◼ ► get text messages and stuff like that.
01:58:32 ◼ ► And that's so smart because the only places you're going to be that far away from your
01:58:36 ◼ ► phone in the first place are places where you know the Wi-Fi.
01:58:39 ◼ ► You have – you're on the Wi-Fi network and it's a friendly place.
01:58:43 ◼ ► Otherwise you're outside of a network and you're worried about everybody stealing
01:58:48 ◼ ► your stuff.
01:58:49 ◼ ► So everything's together.
01:58:51 ◼ ► So I don't know how the business of it would work because even if you buy a cellular
01:58:54 ◼ ► You still have to pay at least, you know, like 10, 15 bucks a month to get some kind
01:58:59 ◼ ► of thing.
01:59:01 ◼ ► And nobody wants to keep spending 10, 15 bucks a month.
01:59:04 ◼ ► But there's got to be some kind of way, I think, that once they can shrink a cellular
01:59:08 ◼ ► antenna and fit it in a watch and not have it, you know, decrease the battery to less
01:59:13 ◼ ► than a day, that it'll have independent cellular.
01:59:16 ◼ ► Well, is it okay to – is it fair to say that I don't really want that?
01:59:21 ◼ ► Like I don't – yeah.
01:59:22 ◼ ► I feel like if I stepped back to 2002,
01:59:25 ◼ ► when we were hooking our iPods up through Firewire
01:59:29 ◼ ► to our Macs in order to manage the libraries on them,
01:59:34 ◼ ► if you asked me, would you like,
01:59:36 ◼ ► if you could just have music on your iPod,
01:59:39 ◼ ► you didn't need to do it through your Mac,
01:59:41 ◼ ► or even the iPhone, you know,
01:59:43 ◼ ► like the iPhone you still needed to connect to your Mac
01:59:45 ◼ ► at the beginning.
01:59:46 ◼ ► And you asked me like, would you want that to not happen?
01:59:49 ◼ ► So you could just do everything you want.
01:59:50 ◼ ► I'd probably say the same.
01:59:51 ◼ ► I'd probably say, no, I'm good.
01:59:54 ◼ ► I like keeping everything on my Mac
01:59:55 ◼ ► and then just managing it there.
01:59:57 ◼ ► - Yeah, I think you're underestimating.
02:00:00 ◼ ► I don't think it's because, and again,
02:00:01 ◼ ► it's not because I think that you wanna do a lot
02:00:04 ◼ ► on your watch without the phone.
02:00:06 ◼ ► 'Cause again, I don't think that's ever gonna change.
02:00:08 ◼ ► But I do think though that you should be able
02:00:10 ◼ ► to just not worry about how close you are to your phone.
02:00:13 ◼ ► - Sure. - Like if you wanted to,
02:00:15 ◼ ► you know, and for exercising, I think that's a huge one,
02:00:17 ◼ ► is that you don't have to have your stupid phone
02:00:20 ◼ ► strapped to your arm in a band or whatever.
02:00:23 ◼ ► And that you can just go for a run for five miles
02:00:26 ◼ ► and if an important notification comes in,
02:00:27 ◼ ► you're still gonna get it.
02:00:29 ◼ ► So I think it's gotta happen eventually,
02:00:31 ◼ ► but I don't know, you'd have to switch to some kind of plan
02:00:33 ◼ ► where everything is sort of a la carte.
02:00:35 ◼ ► You know, you just sign up, you give Verizon $100 a month
02:00:38 ◼ ► and you get all of your devices.
02:00:40 ◼ ► It sort of works like that with the family plan now, but.
02:00:43 ◼ ► - Yeah, I could see it, I could see that.
02:00:45 ◼ ► - I know, 'cause I'm not gonna, I almost missed it,
02:00:47 ◼ ► but GPS is another one.
02:00:49 ◼ ► and I know that the people who run and bicycle are,
02:00:52 ◼ ► that's like the number one thing
02:00:53 ◼ ► that they feel like this first one's missing.
02:00:56 ◼ ► - That makes sense.
02:00:57 ◼ ► I mean, the first iPhone didn't have GPS
02:00:59 ◼ ► and it felt like you had to do this bullshit triangulating
02:01:02 ◼ ► to get your location on a map, which seemed like a jip.
02:01:07 ◼ ► But I feel like the, it's not a concern for me.
02:01:10 ◼ ► I'm not an avid sportsman, so maybe that's why.
02:01:14 ◼ ► but I have GPS, pretty accurate GPS on my phone.
02:01:19 ◼ ► So I don't think anybody's sweating.
02:01:21 ◼ ► - Yeah, but the exercise,
02:01:23 ◼ ► the people who are really into fitness,
02:01:25 ◼ ► they wanna go without the phone.
02:01:26 ◼ ► They wanna just, 'cause the watch is so much better.
02:01:28 ◼ ► Then you don't have this, you know.
02:01:30 ◼ ► There's just no good way to run with the phone on, really.
02:01:35 ◼ ► And they just wanna go and do it.
02:01:37 ◼ ► Without GPS, they feel like they can't,
02:01:40 ◼ ► because there's so many of these apps for bicycling
02:01:43 ◼ ► where they have like, they already have like three years
02:01:46 ◼ ► of like every single bike ride they've had,
02:01:48 ◼ ► they have an exact map of where they've gone.
02:01:51 ◼ ► And they don't wanna lose it.
02:01:51 ◼ ► Same way that we were talking before about with the watch,
02:01:53 ◼ ► where now that you've got the watch on for a week
02:01:55 ◼ ► and you've got like this week worth of activity things,
02:01:57 ◼ ► you wanna keep wearing the watch tomorrow
02:01:59 ◼ ► because you don't wanna lose that.
02:02:01 ◼ ► - Skip the day, yeah, skip the day.
02:02:03 ◼ ► - But they've already got,
02:02:04 ◼ ► they're already used to having that GPS data.
02:02:07 ◼ ► - Well, I keep my phone in the little fanny pack.
02:02:10 ◼ ► Like they make these like really slim profile
02:02:12 ◼ ► fanny packs that you can wear when you're running.
02:02:16 ◼ ► Don't laugh at me.
02:02:17 ◼ ► Don't laugh at Jon Gruber.
02:02:19 ◼ ► Really cool fanny packs is what you're saying.
02:02:21 ◼ ► Well you can't even, it's very low profile, you can't even see it under the sports bra.
02:02:27 ◼ ► Okay so like Cable tweeted the other day, was it Cable or maybe somebody tweeted, regardless,
02:02:41 ◼ ► He had a waiter ask him if I saw his watch and said oh you have the new iPhone watch.
02:02:48 ◼ ► And I thought that was kind of fascinating that it's I mean a waiter asked me yesterday
02:02:52 ◼ ► oh can I see your iWatch can you can you show me what it does.
02:02:57 ◼ ► iWatch makes sense whatever that's the go-to.
02:03:00 ◼ ► iPhone watch made a different kind of sense because that means that people are some people
02:03:05 ◼ ► are just naturally associated with the hub being the computer that it sort of connects
02:03:10 ◼ ► to being the iPhone. I think that's kind of cool on top of which it kind of looks like
02:03:16 ◼ ► an iPhone 6.
02:03:18 ◼ ► It, it, yeah, and I think it kind of, it does, it is an interesting way to say it and it
02:03:24 ◼ ► does sort of, I wonder whether inside Apple how much they were worried about the fact
02:03:31 ◼ ► that they're selling it as a thing you have to have with an iPhone. You know, that it,
02:03:36 ◼ ► Is that a bitter pill for people to swallow that this thing really needs to be within
02:03:40 ◼ ► 30 feet of your iPhone at all times to have functionality?
02:03:45 ◼ ► I don't think so.
02:03:46 ◼ ► I think I could be wrong, but I think people would look at – people like myself would
02:03:50 ◼ ► look at it as an advantage.
02:03:53 ◼ ► I think it's awesome.
02:03:54 ◼ ► It's like a tetherless tether.
02:03:59 ◼ ► What it just means to me is that it makes my watch that much powerful.
02:04:01 ◼ ► my imbues my watch with the power of an iPhone which has been working for eight years to
02:04:07 ◼ ► be as powerful as it is now.
02:04:09 ◼ ► It really, the one thing that really struck me early on was how much the watch wants to
02:04:14 ◼ ► be in contact with your iPhone. Because as soon as it's out of range of your iPhone,
02:04:17 ◼ ► like if you power your iPhone off, you get like what in my opinion is almost an ugly
02:04:22 ◼ ► icon. Not ugly like that it was poorly drawn, but because it's like a red, you know what
02:04:27 ◼ ► I mean? It's like up where the notification.
02:04:29 ◼ ► No, what are you talking, which one are you talking about?
02:04:31 ◼ ► So if you turn your phone off, the watch gets a little icon up at the top, a little red.
02:04:36 ◼ ► It's like a little red phone with a line through it, like it's saying I can't find the phone
02:04:41 ◼ ► that I'm paired with.
02:04:43 ◼ ► And there's no way to get rid of that icon until you're back in range of the phone.
02:04:48 ◼ ► And it's just – at first I thought, wow, they really made that glaring.
02:04:54 ◼ ► But then I realized using it that it's because the watch really does want to be within range
02:04:59 ◼ ► of the phone at all times.
02:05:00 ◼ ► it's it's like lacking in oxygen when it's not not doesn't have the phone
02:05:05 ◼ ► totally how cool is that pairing process of pointing your phone at your watch I
02:05:12 ◼ ► think it's so great and I think I you know I'm guilty as charged that I
02:05:17 ◼ ► haven't sung it to praises enough but I feel like it's unheralded how good the
02:05:22 ◼ ► pairing process is incredible beautiful could have been a QR code thank God it
02:05:27 ◼ ► wasn't just like magical.
02:05:30 ◼ ► I can't think of a...
02:05:32 ◼ ► The last time I had an experience with tech
02:05:35 ◼ ► that was that magical is with the first time I slid
02:05:37 ◼ ► the power on the first iPhone
02:05:40 ◼ ► and it showed me a picture of the world.
02:05:42 ◼ ► I was like, holy crap, this is a magical thing.
02:05:45 ◼ ► That unboxing experience of point your phone
02:05:48 ◼ ► at the weird magic eye type graphic on your watch,
02:05:56 ◼ ► That was just some smart consumer technology.
02:05:59 ◼ ► - Yeah, and as it sinks the first time,
02:06:03 ◼ ► to me the animation is just gorgeous.
02:06:06 ◼ ► It's very simple, but they sweat so many details
02:06:11 ◼ ► in that process.
02:06:12 ◼ ► So there's a watch on the phone,
02:06:16 ◼ ► like a picture of a watch on the phone
02:06:19 ◼ ► as the phone app is syncing with the watch,
02:06:21 ◼ ► and the animation on the fake watch
02:06:24 ◼ ► that's shown on the phone, it stays in perfect sync
02:06:27 ◼ ► with the animation, the progress spinner on the watch itself.
02:06:32 ◼ ► - It's so cool, it's just signaling to you
02:06:36 ◼ ► that these two things are connected.
02:06:38 ◼ ► And I feel like maybe even a perfect way of summing up
02:06:43 ◼ ► or capping the show is, you told me,
02:06:47 ◼ ► when we were texting back and forth,
02:06:49 ◼ ► when you had the watch and I didn't yet,
02:06:52 ◼ ► And you told, and you said, I realized what,
02:06:54 ◼ ► and it's sort of, you wrote this piece about it anyway,
02:06:56 ◼ ► but you said, I realized what the phone is,
02:06:58 ◼ ► or what the watch is.
02:07:00 ◼ ► What did you say?
02:07:01 ◼ ► You know what I mean? - It's just a really cool
02:07:02 ◼ ► digital watch.
02:07:03 ◼ ► - Yeah, it's a cool ass digital watch.
02:07:05 ◼ ► It's like the most sophisticated digital watch
02:07:09 ◼ ► you've ever seen.
02:07:10 ◼ ► And you know, it does,
02:07:14 ◼ ► and I think the most futuristic thing probably
02:07:19 ◼ ► in that old world context of what is a watch
02:07:22 ◼ ► is like that you can make phone calls with it.
02:07:24 ◼ ► I think that's pretty awesome.
02:07:26 ◼ ► It's not something that I would put into practice
02:07:30 ◼ ► hardly ever.
02:07:31 ◼ ► I think it's awesome that my watch rings
02:07:32 ◼ ► when I get a new call and I can decline it from there
02:07:35 ◼ ► but I would never like, especially in front of people,
02:07:37 ◼ ► I would never like take a call on my watch
02:07:40 ◼ ► and just start talking to somebody.
02:07:42 ◼ ► It seems like a weird thing to do.
02:07:44 ◼ ► But it is super futuristic and bond like.
02:07:48 ◼ ► But to me, I think if I were to summarize what the watch is,
02:07:51 ◼ ► I would say it's a really cool second screen
02:07:54 ◼ ► for your iPhone.
02:07:54 ◼ ► - Yeah, yeah, I would totally agree.
02:07:57 ◼ ► - And it's strapped to your body, so it's always there.
02:08:02 ◼ ► - I will say this, I have to say this before we go,
02:08:04 ◼ ► 'cause we didn't really talk about the touch communication.
02:08:08 ◼ ► - Ah, yeah.
02:08:10 ◼ ► - But that's hard for you to talk about.
02:08:11 ◼ ► Here's the thing, it's hard for you to talk about though,
02:08:12 ◼ ► 'cause Roxanna doesn't have, well, you have hers
02:08:15 ◼ ► and you don't have yours.
02:08:17 ◼ ► - Yeah, so like she's the most intimate person,
02:08:20 ◼ ► you know, connected to me.
02:08:22 ◼ ► So I have yet to try that out.
02:08:25 ◼ ► And so like, I mean, you sent me a tap message
02:08:30 ◼ ► that I only just got like when we were halfway
02:08:31 ◼ ► through the show 'cause I was ignoring it.
02:08:33 ◼ ► - No, that was my way of like,
02:08:35 ◼ ► I wanted it to be like, are you ready?
02:08:37 ◼ ► - Yeah, okay, that's nice.
02:08:39 ◼ ► I just did like, I sent you an old fashioned text
02:08:42 ◼ ► like a grandpa. - Right.
02:08:45 ◼ ► And it's like, so I have yet to prove out that use case,
02:08:48 ◼ ► I think, for myself.
02:08:49 ◼ ► Whether it's a heartbeat or whether it's like,
02:08:52 ◼ ► drawing a sketch, to me, the screen is way too small
02:08:55 ◼ ► to draw anything meaningful and for some reason,
02:08:57 ◼ ► the only thing I can think to draw is a dick and dies.
02:09:00 ◼ ► I don't wanna do that.
02:09:02 ◼ ► And then the next meaningful thing is a happy face
02:09:04 ◼ ► and I don't wanna do that either.
02:09:06 ◼ ► So I just end up not using it.
02:09:08 ◼ ► - I send a lot of happy faces.
02:09:09 ◼ ► No, but you know, I said this before,
02:09:12 ◼ ► It's and it's so true is that for those features and so many people after my initial review came up there
02:09:19 ◼ ► Like did you how many did Apple give you did they give you two so you can test the drawing?
02:09:23 ◼ ► And the way that we tested the drawing was we I could send taps and the heartbeats and doodles to people who worked at Apple
02:09:31 ◼ ► But I know and I did it just to see that it worked
02:09:34 ◼ ► but it always felt a little weird because it's like
02:09:37 ◼ ► all of those communications seem way too
02:09:41 ◼ ► Informal and the heartbeat one to me really does I hate to use the word because it sounds corny
02:09:45 ◼ ► But it really is a little intimate
02:09:47 ◼ ► It just doesn't seem like something you would send to somebody you have a professional relationship with
02:09:51 ◼ ► What do you do me a favor as an experiment? I've got I've got a tap message
02:09:56 ◼ ► Cued up for you. I'm just gonna try to try drawing something. All right
02:10:00 ◼ ► All right, because this is the first time I've done this in real time. Okay?
02:10:03 ◼ ► [whistling]
02:10:04 ◼ ► Did it come?
02:10:05 ◼ ► No, I didn't get it.
02:10:18 ◼ ► Some of these things are sometimes a little latent.
02:10:21 ◼ ► Here, I'll send you a couple taps.
02:10:24 ◼ ► Oh yeah, I'm getting your taps.
02:10:30 ◼ ► That's kind of nice.
02:10:31 ◼ ► It's like raindrops.
02:10:32 ◼ ► What am I supposed to I don't even know what I'm supposed to do. We'll just draw a picture
02:10:35 ◼ ► Okay, but did you add me to the?
02:10:38 ◼ ► Yeah, you're in my favor. All right
02:10:41 ◼ ► And I don't think I'm getting it all right now right there it is
02:10:47 ◼ ► All right, so it works it's an action shot
02:11:00 ◼ ► This is the future I
02:11:02 ◼ ► Did that to Dalrymple
02:11:07 ◼ ► I've kind of guessed when Dalrymple was gonna get a review unit and I was checking and you can tell if somebody has an Apple
02:11:12 ◼ ► Watch because then when you put them in your friends and you go to their friends
02:11:16 ◼ ► They they get the third button down underneath, you know and say instead of just phone call and text
02:11:21 ◼ ► You can also send them a digital touch
02:11:22 ◼ ► So I just kept waiting for Dalrymple to get the digital touch and as soon as he did I sent him a similar drawing
02:11:28 ◼ ► So I could so that I could be at first
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