Inside plant refers to the cabling running inside a building. Similarly, outside plant is the cabling running outdoors. Outside plant cables are thicker because of more durable insulation jackets. As for fiber optic communication, there are many types of outside plant fiber optic cables. Some have extra protections to prevent corrosion and other elemental interference. Outside plant fiber optics are widely used in telephone networks, CATV, metropolitan networks, utilities and so on. If you want to choose the right outside plant fiber optic cable, its applicable environment is an important factor for consideration. This post will introduce some common outside plant fiber optic cables and typical outdoor application environments.
Outdoor breakout cable is perfect for rugged applications and installations that require increased performance. It is usually made of several bundled simplex cables wrapped in a common cable jacket. The fungus, water and UV protections and temperature durability are beneficial to its outside applications. Its design of individual fiber reinforcement enables the quick termination to connectors and omits the use of patch panels or boxes. With much less termination work, outdoor breakout cable is more cost-effective when small fiber counts and short distances are required.
Outdoor loose tube cable has the gel-filled design protecting the cable from moisture environment. The gel within the loose-tube construction stops the penetration of water and keeps it away from the fiber. Also, it keeps water from freezing near the fiber at low temperatures which reduces the chance of stress fractures. Fibers are bundled inside a small plastic tube that can protect fibers from outside stresses. Outdoor loose tube cable is often used in conduits, strung overhead or buried directly into the ground.
Outdoor ribbon fiber optic cable has high fiber counts and small cable diameter. It contains the most fibers in the smallest cable. These fibers are laid out in rows as ribbons, and ribbons are laid on top of each other. Likewise, it also has gel-filled protection to block outside water. Ribbon cable makes installation much faster and easier since mass fusion splicers can join a ribbon at once.
Outdoor armored cable is a direct buried type that prevents itself from animal bite. The metal armoring between two jackets effectively prohibits rodent penetration. Outdoor armored cable can be divided into light armored and heavy armored types. The former has the protective plastic jacket with the same durability and longevity of a stainless steel cable with a lighter weight. The latter is wrapped in a wire circle to be applied for underwater regions that near shores and shoals.
Outside cable plant deployment can be implemented in many environments. Above-ground, underground, buried and underwater are the typical applications.
Above-ground cable plant can be exposed to extreme temperatures, and to humidity that varies with the seasons and with daily temperature changes. Cables under such circumstances should be durable to adapt to extreme weathers and water penetration.
Underground cable plant usually applies cables in underground structures including the utility holes, controlled environmental vaults, ducts and so on. The condition in utility holes and ducts sometimes can be corrosive because of man-made chemicals. Cables with corrosion-proof materials are perfect for this environment.
Buried cable plant applies cables directly into the soil. Cables can also be exposed to the same corrosive environment as underground plant. But animal bite is an additional problem. Cables for this application should be very tough to endure both chemical corrosion and animal attack.
Underwater cable plant are located beneath the surface of water. The water can range from relatively pure to brackish, or to badly contaminated with industrial effluent. Cables for underwater plant are extremely rugged, with fibers in the middle of the cable inside stainless steel tubes and the outside coated with many layers of steel strength members and conductors for powering repeaters.
Unlike indoor cables, outside plant fiber optic cables must be wrapped in different layers to withstand the severe installation conditions. Choosing the right kind of outdoor cable can save you a great deal for long-term maintenance. And your project application is an important aspect that will affect the selection of fiber optic cables.
You may familiar with bulk fiber optic cable, but how much do you know the differences between tight buffer fiber and loose tube cable? This article will focus on tight buffer vs loose tube cable.
Tight buffer or tight tube cable designs are typically used for ISP applications. Each fiber is coated with a buffer coating, usually with an outside diameter of 900m.
Loose buffer or loose tube cables mean that the fibers are placed loosely within a plastic tube whose inner diameter considerably larger than the fiber itself. Usually 6 to 12 fibers are placed within a single tube. The interior of the plastic tube is usually filled with a gel material that protects the fibers from moisture and physical stresses that may be experienced by the overall cable. Loose buffer designs are used for OSP applications such as underground installations, lashed or self-supporting aerial installations, and other OSP applications.
Each construction has inherent advantages. The loose buffer tube offers lower cable attenuation from microbending in any given fiber, plus a high level of isolation from external forces. Under continuous mechanical stress, the loose tube permits more stable transmission characteristics. The tight buffer construction permits smaller, lighter weight designs for similar fiber configuration, and generally yields a more flexible, crush resistant cable.
The other fiber protection technique, tight buffer, uses a direct extrusion of plastic over the basic fiber coating. Tight buffer constructions are able to withstand much greater crush and impact forces without fiber breakage.
The tight buffer design, however, results in lower isolation for the fiber from the stresses of temperature variation. While relatively more flexible than loose buffer, if the tight buffer is deployed with sharp bends or twists, optical losses are likely to exceed nominal specifications due to microbending.
Cable tensile load ratings, also called cable pulling tensions or pulling forces, are specified under short-term and long-term conditions. The short-term condition represents a cable during installation and it is not recommended that this tension is exceeded. The long-term condition represents an installed cable subjected to a permanent load for the life of the cable. Typical loose-tube cable designs have a short-term (during installation) tensile rating of 600 pounds (2700 N) and a long-term (post installation) tensile rating of 200 pounds (890 N).
Tight buffer vs loose tube cable, each has its own advantages and uses. Nowadays there are many big brands fiber optic cable manufacturers provide tight buffer cables and loose tube cables. FS.COM, also offers a wide range of bulk fiber optic cables, including cables from corning and cables for different applications, bulk fiber optic cable can be made in a variety of lengths and configurations to meet your needs. For more details, please visit FS.COM.
Which Tight Buffered Fiber Distribution Cable Fits Your Application?
Bulk fiber optic cables are widely used in modern, gradually replace of copper cables.
FDDI or Fiber Distributed Data Interface (Token Ring).
Depending on the number of fibers and how and where it will be installed, bulk fiber optic cables come in lots of different types. Choose cable carefully as the choice will affect how easy it is to install, splice or terminate and, most important, what it will cost! Such as tight buffered fiber cable and loose tube cable. Loose tube cable majority used in outside-plant installations, while tight-buffered cable primarily used inside buildings.
Tight buffered (coated with a 900 micron buffer over the primary buffer coating) with Kevlar (aramid fiber) strength members and jacketed for indoor use. The jacket is usually 3mm (1/8 in.) diameter. Zipcord is simply two of these joined with a thin web. It's used mostly for patch cord and backplane applications.
Single-mode tight-buffered cables are used as pigtails, patch cords or jumpers to terminate loose-tube cables directly into opto-electronic transmitters, receivers and other active and passive components. Multimode tight-buffered cables also are available and are used primarily for alternative routing and handling flexibility and ease within buildings.
Distribution Cables contain several tight-buffered fibers bundled under the same jacket with Kevlar strength members and sometimes fiberglass rod reinforcement to stiffen the cable and prevent kinking. These cables are small in size, and used for short, dry conduit runs, riser and plenum applications. The fibers are double buffered and can be directly terminated, but because their fibers are not individually reinforced, these cables need to be broken out with a "breakout box" or terminated inside a patch panel or junction box. They can be multimode distribution indoor cable, single mode plenum distribution indoor cable, multimode plenum distribution indoor cable, waterproof cables, etc.
In a loose-tube cable design, color-coded plastic buffer tubes house and protect optical fibers. A gel filling compound impedes water penetration. Excess fiber length (relative to buffer tube length) insulates fibers from stresses of installation and environmental loading. Buffer tubes are stranded around a dielectric or steel central member, which serves as an anti-buckling element. The cable core, typically surrounded by aramid yarn, is the primary tensile strength member. The outer polyethylene jacket is extruded over the core. If armoring is required, a corrugated steel tape is formed around a single jacketed cable with an additional jacket extruded over the armor.
FiberStore covers a wide production line of bulk fiber optic cable, from common bare fiber, waterproof cables to special fiber cables for specific applications. Flexible or rigid cables of copper or aluminium, with a complete range of polymers and protectors, always developed under the most stringent international standards.


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Small size and a precisely designed structure makes the shear good fit for tractor cranes, miniloaders and small excavators. This powerhouse, weighing only 165 kg, cuts 200 mm trees comfortably.
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Developed to cut down Central Europes big trees, the TMK utilizes power produced by custom designed cylinders. Thanks to these cylinders we can cut up to 400mm trees. For excavators from 10 ton to 30 tons.
An excavator mounted shear can reach out, up, down, cut a tree or limb, bring it back, and place it for the next sequence of work, all without moving the work platform. Access trees on slopes, reach over fences, landscaped spaces or other obstacles that would prevent access. This approach is more time efficient, minimizes site impact, and reduces fuel consumption.
An effective cutting mechanism allows the TMK tree shear to employ a smaller cutting cylinder, allowing for faster cutting cycle time and a lighter tree shear. This improves tree cutting efficiency and makes it possible to use the TMK Tree Shear on smaller excavators.
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The TMK Tree Shear holds the cut limb or tree so the operator can safely place it in the desired location on the ground or in a vehicle. It can do this in two ways – the grapple or the collector can hold material. This is a major safety and time efficiency benefit other shears lack.
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"Village Rising as if by Magic to House Workers of Big Camden Ship Building Plant," The Philadelphia Inquirer, June 20, 1918, p. 14. Click on image for larger view.
to house the workers of the New York Shipbuilding Company.
One of the most complete and extensive housing developments being carried out by the Emergency Fleet Corporation in connection with its great shipbuilding plants on the Delaware, is being pushed to conclusion with utmost speed for the accommodation of some 5000 workmen of the New York Shipbuilding Corporation, on a 140-acre farm property within half a mile of the shipyard, at an ultimate cost of $6,000,000.
The first building, a five-family structure of two-and-a-half stories, now being used temporarily as an administration house, was erected within seven days. That is to say the concrete foundations were finished in three days and the brick walls and a tight roof were up in thirty-six working hours.
The new track will be known as Yorkship Village, and will be the Thirteenth ward of the city of Camden, which recently acquired the entire area from Haddon. The ultimate development will include more than 2000 houses, a complete sewage disposal plant of its own, churches, schools, public buildings, trolley lines connecting with the main route past the shipyard and on Broadway into the heart of Camden.
The chief though behind this unique and most extraordinary evolution, probably in all America, is to provide adequate, comfortable, permanent and artistic homes in an ideal setting, as economically and speedily as possible for the sole profit and advantage of the workmen in the shipyard, bending their every energy to the successful promotion of this country's potential part in the great world war.
Laid out on quiet and restful lines, with a large open central square, diagonally radiating avenues with broad commons running centrally throughout their length, and the surrounding streets forming an octagon, the village as sketched by the architect reminds one of nothing else so much as an old, collegiate town of Western Massachusetts. The colonial aspect as well as the college atmosphere is preserved in the detail of the concrete sidewalks, marked off in flag stones, the shadowing elms, the gabled and white-columned houses, the spired churches and the collective dwellings built somewhat on the dormitory style.
While the dwellings provided will number 907, they will be included within but 239 buildings. Each structure will be either a single home or a detached building containing from one to nine homes, so designed that the standard sameness is eliminated to a considerable degree. All of the buildings in this modern twentieth century village are to be largely fireproof with concrete fundations and brick walls.
There are 200 houses under construction, which will be ready for occupancy soon, in an existing section of Camden close to the shipyard and the village, but entirely separate and on the city block plan. One thousand houses, in addition to those now under way in Yorkship Village, will be built just as soon as the requisite appropriations for improvements are secured from the city of government of Camden.
A year ago the New York Shipbuilding Corporations's payroll carried about 5000 men. Now there are about 11,000 men at work and a year hence will see more than 20,000 men building ships at the New York Shipbuilding Company's yards. A year ago Camden had less than two hundred vacant houses fit for occupancy. At present there are none, and a year from now the plans for extension of the corporation's shipyard will necessitate the doubling of Yorkship Village.
An additional one thousand houses are now promised. Building 2100 houses instead of 1100 would add more than ten percent to the housing capacity of Camden and would permit its industries to expand at a time when most cities are badly hampered for lack of labor, transportation and housing.
The village lies within the angle made by Mt. Ephraim avenue, the county road between Camden and Atlantic City and Collings road, running from Collingswood to Gloucester, and is restricted on the north and west by the north branch of Newton creek.
Just now there are nearly 3000 men working on the building, grading and improvement operations, with 250 teams in use. A temporary railroad freight yard has been constructed connecting with the Reading Railway, with five tracks from 500 to 1000 feet long, and a daily capacity of handling 150 cars. The building materials of all kinds brought into this yard are transferred to cars on an industrial railway system, the terminal tracks of which dovetial into the freight yard. The industrial tracks are to be laid temporarily through all of the five miles of streets in the village in order to get the quickest possible distribution of supplies.
One of the most important features of the development at the New York Shipbuilding Corporation's plant, under the management of A. Merritt Taylor, director of the Department of Housing and Transportation of the Emergency Fleet Corporation, is the tremendous improvement in the transportation service. And this system, incidentally, will be extended to the village.
The lines of the Public Service Company are being worked to capacity and thirty-two new cars will soon be placed in operation.
The solution of the street car problem has resulted in the carrying of more than a thousand men who would otherwise be compelled to walk. Three special trains have been put on the West Jersey and Seashore Electric line and more than twenty-five or thirty trains which used to pass by Fairview street station without stopping, have been scheduled to make stops. The Philadelphia and Reading Railroad has also rearranged its train schedules and put on one special train in order that the shipyard might be served.
In providing connections with Yorkship Village a $150,000 trestle, some thousand feet in length, is to be built over the creek. A fifty-foot span bridge is to be constructed over the creek to carry the eighty-foot boulevard.
Yorkship Village is being built in accordance with plans prepared by E. D. Litchfield, a New York architect. The engineering work and construction are under the direction of Lockwood, Greene & Company, engineers, and the principal contractors are the Tide Water Building Company for the houses and the Miles-Tighe Contracting Company, of Easton, Pa., for grading streets, etc.
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Discussion in 'Joker's Funhouse (Off Topic)' started by Quantum Edge, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:46 AM.
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I've seen the Whedon version, I've seen the 4 hour snyderverse version, and the black and white snyderverse indulgence.
First, is Snyder's version a more coherent story than Whedon's? Yes. Is the conclusion to Snyder's version more satisfying? Yes. Is the character development better in Snyder's version? Yes.
Now, having said all of those things, Snyder had 4 hours to tell his story. Realistically, a four hour comic book movie is never going to see a wide release. So 1 & 3 can be chalked up to having a larger canvas to work on.
And here's my big beef, Snyder really isn't that good a film maker, he's got a great visual style, but I have a hard time thinking about any movies he's made that are very good. My go-to description of Watchmen is that he made a fantastic version of Dave Gibbon's book, but an awful version of Alan Moore's. 300, while again a visually arresting movie, was a narrative mess. The less said about Sucker Punch the better.
It's funny, I had a similar beef about Oliver Stone years ago. Every film of his I watched, I thought to myself, if this were his first film, he's going to be fantastic, but he never evolved. I have the same feeling about Snyder, he's got a fantastic eye for what makes a good movie, but he can't punch his way out of a narrative grocery bag. Let's be unfair, and compare him to Steven Spielberg. If you go back to the beginning of Spielberg's career to films like Close Encounters, Jaws, and Raiders, there's a visual style there that grabs you. The stories are a bit weak, but the base is there. Move forward 15-20 years, Spielberg is now making Saving Private Ryan and Schindler's List, both of which have an arresting visual style, but his story telling has improved dramatically.
300 came out in 2006 and his version of Justice League came out 15 years later. His story telling hasn't improved all that much since then.
Now that I've made everyone mad, I'm going to have a coffee
Quantum Edge, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:46 AM
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You haven't made everyone mad, lol - at least not ME.
You've already brought me GREAT JOY by even STARTING this thread on my man Zach Snyder - (whom I believe is AWESOME, btw)............
Now as for your comment? I believe - from what I've discussed HERE in the forums with a few posters and read - that there are some LAYERS to this whole "SynderVerse" thing...
From "MY" Point of View Zach may have ALREADY been hamstrung from the START of his DC movie run...
Does ANYONE here know the PARAMETERS he was placed under in regards to what he COULD do? As far as MOVIES? What I mean by this is -
In comparison to MARVEL's magnificent movie run - we started with Captain America - the First Avenger. Then, I believe - we had the first Thor movie THEN the first Iron Man movie...
EACH movie had "Certain Elements" in them that DID in fact connect them together - even though I know that each movie is supposed to be able to be viewed as standalone.
We know this wasn't the actual case - in regards to the standalone. This is why Tony Stark appeared at the end of the 2nd Hulk movie (his Abomination movie). And Nick Fury appeared at the end of the first Captain America movie...
My point is THIS - Did the WB Big Wigs EVER give Zach Snyder and Co. THAT MUCH leeway? To construct an actual COHERENTLY-Tied storyline? I'd guess not...
If Zach and Co. were given ONLY THREE MOVIES (MoS, BvS and JL) to bring the ENTIRE DC Universe to the Big Screen then that was a FAIL from the start - and shows some overreach from them (Big Wigs) unfortunately.
We COULD argue the merits of "Well, if MoS was POPULAR enough then Zach would've gotten more movies"..........I don't believe it was as simple as that, TBH..............
Didn't at ONE TIME - several years ago - there was a schedule to release a CYBORG movie....as well as a Green Lantern movie? I know that Aquaman made the movie cut as well as WW but why no Victor Stone? There is CERTAINLY enough material out there for him to have HIS OWN movie.....thus Zach was left to actually BUILD Cyborg's persona in the Zach Snyder cut.
As for GL movie it is NOW supposed to be an HBO MAX series, if I recall. Quite the departure from what I believe was going to be an actual MOVIE......
Will this supposed "GL Series on HBO MAX" - tie into to any coherent storyline? Like Marvel's?
What in THE WORLD happened to the rumored New Gods movie? I thought Ava Duvernay was going to do well here but this movie was cancelled - supposedly - because there was an uproar about "Wokeness"............
Someone PLEASE show me a Character of Color in that group....I am CERTAIN that Mr. Jack Kirby was no racist but we CANNOT blame Ms. Durvernay for ANY attempts at bringing DIVERSITY to ANY New Gods movie - as long as it was tasteful and thought out...like Heimdall was in Marvel's Thor movies.
I'd hope that she would've left Orion as a hot-tempered red head, though.
Flash is getting his OWN movie, finally....albeit a bit late compared to how well-structured the Marvel chain of movies / storyline.
Batman is going through an Identity Crisis, lol - with Rob Pattinson now donning the cape. Now is THIS movie going to be a part of the GREATER DC Cinematic Universe of just another Joker-Style standalone movie?
And IF Rob Pattinson's Batman movie IS good - which I hope it IS - then why make ANOTHER DC movie that isn't tied into a GREATER threat like Darkseid - like Zach Snyder's Justice League movie is?
What happens to Ben Affleck Batman - whom I do love?
Let's be real - Marvel was AWESOME in it's buildup to Thanos......DC Cinematic Universe? All we're doing is making standalone movies like BoP....Joker....turning Superman into Black Superman (see my heartened discussions / thoughts on THAT idea in my Icon and Rocket thread here in the Joker's funhouse).........................
I'd rather they KEEP Henry Cavill and introduce Icon as Michael B Jordan.
Does DC have an "Endgame" if you will? A Darkseid in the mix? We don't know. This is SAD in itself.
We should ALREADY be on the way to Perpetua, Anti-Monitor....World Forger....on DC / WB's Big Screen.
Marvel knocked Thanos out of the park and is already on the way to it's next big thing.
We can't blame the "LACK" on Zach Snyder alone. I believe he's tried / trying - to fight The Good Fight.
Detective Comics has AS RICH a backstory as Marvel's if not MORE richer. Darkseid is FAR MORE CUNNING than Thanos. But yet we can't even answer whether or not we're going to see him again after Zach Snyder's JL movie.
This is sad, to me at least.
Zach Snyder tried and he's getting thrown under the proverbial bus, sadly - for some of DC movie's failures.
While I'm on DC, lol..........why don't we have a Fortress of Solitude - based Theme Park? A Themyscira-based Theme Park? Doesn't Disney / Marvel - have Marvel-based items like this, IIRC?
DC is SO RICH in it's characters.....SO RICH......it's like a gold mine that they are unsure of how to mine it.
Cannot blame this on Zach Snyder, alone.
Controller, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:47 PM
#2 Last edited by Controller, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:10 PM
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NIckNock, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:26 PM
Ideally - WB / DC would've created an "Endgame" storyline - with at LEAST TWO Henry Cavill Superman movies - each with a plot built upon a storyline.
What was in MoS was a LOT to unpack....not particularly Zach's fault but he did a good job trying. Was this the PLAN that WB Cinema gave to Zach? Shame on them for constraining Zach like this for such an iconic character.
Captain America got THREE movies - First Avenger, Winter Soldier AND Civil War.....each one BUILDING upon the other...each one introducing characters that would ULTIMATELY be featured in the WHOLE of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Wonder Woman's FIRST movie was AWESOME....the second one had a good meaning to it at the end but really did not help to BUILD upon any "greater" threat or any "Endgame"...
About the ONLY thing the first WW movie carried over to the next one was her love for Steve Trevor.
I do hope Cheetah is featured as a villain...I love the actor and the character and she could be a power house on a villain team.
Such a shame that Ben Affleck's Batman did not get a separate movie...instead he was constrained to BvS, where not ONLY Superman was featured but they ALSO had to mix in Wonder Woman. It was a valiant attempt but again did very little for character building.
I wish Zach Snyder would've gotten TWO Justice League movies.....WB / DC could've introduced a TON of characters in such a scenario....Vixen, Cyborg, Green Lantern....they could've introduced at least TWO GLs and perhaps hinted at several more - and then segued into a GL movie.......
Cyborg? Such a powerful and diverse character backstory...his "planned" movie (that got cancelled) could've perhaps hinted Doom Patrol...maybe hinted Titans.....
It really hurts to see such rich DC characters NOT competing with Marvel's Cinematic storyline. Certainly not Zach Snyder's fault.
WB / DC has did a "decent" job with singular movies (BoP, Joker, SS2, Aquaman, Shazam, etc) but nothing seemingly building upon the other.
And I've already beaten my Dead Horse about my Milestone Media (DC) characters.
IMO if WB / DC doesn't desire to COMPETE with Disney / Marvel Cinematic Universe then that is sad. The characters for DC ARE there and they are perhaps more interesting than Marvels.
Controller, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:37 AM
#4 Last edited by Controller, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:44 AM
How would ICON deal with Brainiac? Lex Luthor?
Think OUTSIDE THE BOX, WB / DC.
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Controller said: ↑
Iron Man first. Hulk (Edward Norton film) I believe was next. Iron Man 2 after that, which fed into Thor directly and Captain America The First Avenger indirectly. Black Widow appeared in Iron Man 2 and Hawkeye in Thor, which seeded their inclusion in Avengers.
And Snyder is not totally at fault, but he has his fair share of the blame. He made the films and was given the keys to the kingdom.
willflynne, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:51 AM
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I'm not believing that Zach was given the keys to the kingdom. I don't believe you do, either - without some behind the scenes proof. which I doubt we'll ever be privy to.
Is there any proof as to what parameters he was given to work with? As compared to the magnificent Marvel run of movies?
Controller, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:49 AM
Another point of contention for me is the showing of Zach Snyder's Justice League on TV...
I understand that the movie is 4 hrs and 2 min long - is this supposedly "Too Long" for national TV networks like TnT or TBS?
If this is the case then why does Infinity War (2hr 29 min) and Endgame (3 hrs 2 min) get a pass?
Oftentimes when End Game is shown they get a flat 4 hour block reserved for it - due to commercials and such.
No one bats an eye to this, either - I know "I" don't.
Quality movies (like Zach Snyder's Justice League) should get the same playing field.
Controller, Jan 13, 2022 at 12:08 PM
We've veered into a different subject, the business of film making. I would agree Snyder was treated very badly, especially after the tragedy of what happened to his daughter. After Man Of Steel, I do think he was given free reign with Batman vs Superman, and unfortunately that film didn't do great at the box office, and nothing makes suits freak out more than a less than projected dividend. So he went from closely managed, to have at 'er, to starting with free reign to losing control, and then abdicating completely. That's got to be a frustrating way to work. Bringing this back to Marvel, I've heard they have fairly strict guidelines on what directors can do. They probably give let them do what they want within those parameters, but would also explain why a bunch of directors have started working on films, and then been dumped, like Edgar Wright, Scott Derrickson, Patty Jenkins, Ava Duvernay and probably others I can't remember. Marvel is also VERY good at the PR game after movies come out, with everyone saying, oh we're all a big family, and nooooooo Marvel didn't interfere at all. I think the big difference is, Marvel lays out the rules before hand, where with WB and Snyder, the rules changed with every movie, and in one case the rules changed making one movie.
Quantum Edge, Jan 13, 2022 at 2:12 PM
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QE - It wasn't my intention to steer the thread off-course but I realize that with the way I had to answer your initial post my response - to ME - would have me delve into what I thought was the bigger issue with Zach Snyder and WB / DC.
My bad and it wasn't my intention.
At the end of the day, I just believe that there are greater machinations going on behind the scenes and Zach Snyder - unfortunately - is being made the scapegoat.
Whatever restrictions Marvel had - it worked - to grand fashion. I'm a DC boy at heart but Marvel knocked it out the park plain and simple.
Comic books fans of all ages will look back at this 20-30 years from now and Marvel movies WILL stand the test of time.
DC hasn't measured up yet and that is sad, to me.
Individual movies? Sure. But compared to Marvel's movie storyline it hasn't added up yet.
Either you're first or you're last.
I hope I didn't come across as irked, all debates are organic and go the way they're meant to.
having said that, my original post was looking at Snyder as a narrative storyteller. Visually, he's amazing, my beef is his story telling style. He's not great with female characters, he's pretty good with Alpha Males, Michael Shannon's Zod was much more intimidating than Terence Stamp, but it took him twice as long to tell the same story as Whedon. Is it better than Whedon's movie? Yes, absolutely, like the old chestnut says though, brevity is the soul of wit. Movies in particular, every single scene has to be important. You have a limited number of minutes to tell your story, so the eyeballs on the screen need to see the story moving forward. And that's where I think Snyder fails. He puts a lot of stuff that, sure is cool to see, but doesn't move the narrative. There's a good reason Chekhov's gun is such an important rule, if I'm seeing something on screen, there sure as hell needs to be a reason I'm seeing it.
Another controversial opinion I have, because of Marvel's success, scrap the idea of a shared universe, get great writers and directors, and let them tell the stories they want to. They seem to be moving that way with flashpoint.
The issue I have with this suggestion is that to ME it would give the impression of "Giving up"......
Just because one side presents an AWESOME project doesn't mean that the other side just throws in the towel.
Comic History will look back at this 10, 20 or 30 years from now and wonder - "What the heck was WB / DC Cinematic Universe doing?"
Darkseid is Darkseid. Thanos is Thanos. So far, Thanos' story was told and in GRAND fashion.
There is no reason, to me at least - to not generate or introduce a storyline spanning a similar amount of movies as Marvel and leave DC fans spellbound - just like Marvel did.
Failure is one thing. But to not even TRY is unacceptable.
To throw Zach Snyder under the bus and quit? Unfathomable. Zach tried and that's why he has a sizeable fan base.
For Will - I apologize if I appeared snippy to you but I just believe there is a LOT more going on behind the scenes with this stuff but the EASY fix is to offer up Zach as a sacrificial lamb.
Folks complain about his movie structure? The darkness behind it? Well - DC is / has been - Dark. It is different from Marvel and that is by design.
Look no further than the clip I've posted on here many times where Darkseid vaporized Dan Turpin - just to terrorize Earth and make an example of him. THAT was from the Superman TAS for crying out loud, lol - a cartoon. A cartoon that is 30 or 40 years old.
I will go see Black Adam...the new Batman movie and the Flash one. But with EACH of these I will definitely be looking for a glimmer of hope of "Something Bigger" coming down the road.
For ME - Marvel set the bar. To not even compete is weakness.
This begs the question, are comic books and movies an artistic endeavour, or are they solely businesses, or a mixture of both? I guess I'm coming at this from the perspective that films are an art form, that may be my naivete coming through.
I'm veering off on a tangent. We're touching on a problem with cinema today. The only movies seeing wide distribution are the big blockbusters. When Steven Spielberg wanted to make Lincoln, he wasn't able to get any funding for it from the usual sources. STEVEN SPIELBERG couldn't get money to make a character driven movie about arguably one of the most powerful American historical icons. He had to go to individual investors to fund it's filming.
When a director who is arguably one of the most successful film makers in movie history can't get money to make a character driven movie, there's something seriously wrong.
Another great question.
I would personally ask this question to Kevin Feige, President of Marvel Studios.
I would say that Comic Book movies are a VERY DELICATE balance of BOTH.....an artistic endeavour AND a business that IS out to make MONEY......
Mr. Feige and his team have threaded the proverbial needle PERFECTLY in this regard - and left a LEGION of PLEASED fans across the board and I'm certain have gained NEW ones - young AND old.
IMHO WB / DC is leaning MORESO towards BUSINESS...with only a SMALL amount of caring and dedicated folks at the top TRYING to steer the ship but are being hamstrung by "Other Forces"..................
I am certain that a WB Big Wig would tell me - "Well, The Joker movie made over a BILLION......"
They'd say - "Well, Birds of Prey was a hit!.......and made us MONEY"......
"Even BETTER - BoP reached it's TARGET AUDIENCE which I'd guess were younger females and a younger audience in general"............
"Our second time around with Suicide Squad was BETTER....and made us MORE MONEY"..........
Queue the message in this classic O'Jays song.....
You've gotta have BALANCE....and a KEEN EAR to what fans want....you CAN make money and build a lasting legacy.
Now look at DC's Fan Base....you have MYSELF - an admitted Synderverse petitioner......and a whole SUBSECTION of Snyderverse fans that border on lunacy LOL........a few of us, anyway.
I mean - some DC fans bringing up Snyderverse with Zachari Levi a few years ago was a bit of a reach and embarrassing - but can be argued that it produced FRUIT...
It left Mr. Levy rather frustrated and embarrassed because he had no answers for those fans and understandably so.
This is what happens when - as an industry - you miss the mark and get led astray. You create DIVISIONS among fans...offer up sacrificial lambs (Zach Snyder)....and dig in DEEPER and try to make MORE MONEY off of DC Movies rather than trying to take some tips from Marvel's model.
There was a video of Marvel's Next Phase here in the Joker's Funhouse that I think Willflynne posted earlier this year. If you can, find that thread and video and just take about 30 min if you have the time and review the comments and UTTER EXCITEMENT among the fans in regards to what's next to come from Marvel Movies.....
You don't find ANY FAN DIVISIONS in those comments....it was like a party atmosphere among those several thousand comments.......
You can't find such excitement on OUR SIDE....but hey - take it from my man Cypher:
At the end of the day I just want DC Comic movies to have as good a LEGACY as Marvel movies. I don't believe that's the goal at the moment.
I want WB/ DC to dust off the Milestone Media (DC) characters...that is a goldmine of originality right there.
I want them to create a STORY....not a bunch of non-related solo movies....sorta like Marvel. Center it around Darkseid
It's not too late....NEVER too late.
The interesting thing with this comment is that I saw a rumor somewhere that Mr. Spielberg is working on a Black Hawks movie for DC. If this is true I'm sure it will be good.
"Where'd you learn that move? U.S. Marine Corps" - John Stewart, lol.....................
I'd love for such a movie to be tied into the greater DC Cinematic Universe somehow but for a movie like this I'd give it a pass.
Hollywood is - interesting. It can be argued that there are some political leanings with Hollywood but I'm certain that Big Wigs there would argue vociferously against such a comment.
For a man like Spielberg - you give him a seat at the table, give him a blank check and ask him "Sir what do you need from us?"
I mentioned him before in bringing my man Augustus Freeman IV / Icon to the big screen
Don't forget Rocket, too.
#17 Last edited by Controller, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:26 PM
I also don't agree with the narrative of "Zach Snyder not knowing how to tell a story...build a character."
Here you have a God among Humans seeking answers and direction from the Man of God in this Pastor....
You can't get any more HUMANIZING than this scene.
SPOT ON, Zach.
SPOT.
Kevin Costner is SUCH an underrated actor...he AND Ms. Lane. He and Dianne Lane were GREAT Earth parents....modern parents for modern times.
#18 Last edited by Controller, Jan 15, 2022 at 5:16 AM
Speaking of Whedon, it looks like he decided to put the final nail in the old career coffin yesterday.
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I'd say the length of the movie is irrelevant in todays market. As weve seen with endgame, the rules with 2 hour run times can be stretched if the demand is there. Add to it, the abundant sources of streaming that are on average around 10, 1 hour segments. To the latter, would I say Wandavision, or Falcon and Winter Soldier are better than Snyders cut, naw, not even close.
To the evolution of Snyder, I agree he hasnt mastered his story telling, but, I think it has improved, just comparing the movies the OP mentioned. I appreciate his vision for the DC movies, making artistic changes but within the range of comic canon. Those changes, so far, havent been for social movement reasons either, something I can't say for Marvel, or even the DC shows on the CW.
Overall, I wish WB and DC would have put the project on hold back then, and let him finish it. Chances are, we would have gotten a slightly better movie, no other version to compare it to, and better chances for the trilogy to be made.
Emoney, Jan 18, 2022 at 11:33 AM
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William Tolle, son of Elizabeth (Debell) and John Tolle, was born 10 Apr 1801 in Lewis County, Kentucky. He married "Sally" Sarah D. Ringo on 13 Feb 1823 in Fleming County, Kentucky. Sally was born 28 Feb 1800, the daughter of Hannah (Rector) and Alburtis Ringo. William and Sally lived in Fleming County until April of 1849, and he is listed several times in the deed books of that place. At about that time he moved to Henry County, Iowa. He was on the special 1854 Iowa census, and the census records of 1860 through 1880. He is found several times in the deed books there, both as grantor, and as grantee. He was one of the heirs named in his father's will. Sally (Ringo) Tolle died on 26 Jun 1870. William married again on 27 Nov 1870 to Mrs Mary A. (Saunders) Brown. She was the widow of Reverend Cummings Brown. He was a farmer, and Vice President of the Henry County Agricultural Society. In September 1882 an article called "A Sketch of the Life & Character of this Excellant Henry County Citizen, William Tolle", was written by his friend O.H.P. Buchanan, and appeared in the newspaper there. In October of 1888, he made a trip back to Lewis County, Kentucky for a reunion after forty years. He died on 12 Sep 1894 in Henry County, at the age of 93 years, 5 months, and 3 days. He and Sally are buried at the Mt Pleasant Cemetery in Henry County, Iowa.
MARY AMANDA TOLLE7 born 21 Nov 1823; married William s. Grant.
ELIZA ANN TOLLE7 born 28 oct 1826; married Roland Richard Grant.
FRANCIS HENRY TOLLE7 born 27 Sep 1830; married Hannah I. Ingersoll.
JOEL DEBELL TOLLE7 born 9 Nov 1833; married Livonia Jane James; he died only three months after their marriage, and there were no children.
Redden A. Tolle, son of Elizabeth (Debell) and John Tolle, was born 16 Jan 1803 in Lewis County, Kentucky. On 16 Dec 1826 in Mason County, Kentucky he married Sarah Brown. Their bondsman was Elbert King, and a witness was A. Brown. Sarah was born about 1811, and was the daughter of Elizabeth (Ingraham) and John Brown. He was on the tax list of Lewis County, Kentucky for the year 1827. They moved to Shelby County, Indiana, and he was on the 1840 census, and his name appears often in the deed indexes there. He was involved in some probates for his in-laws in Rush County, Indiana between 1841-1850. In 1844 he purchased 143 43/100 acres of the SE Quarter of Section 10, Township 60, Range 35 in Andrew County, Missouri from the Plattsburg Land Office. � Redden was on the 1850 census of Andrew County, Missouri. He was apparently still paying taxes in Shelby County until his death. He died 6 Jun 1854, at the age of 51 years, 4 months, and 20 days.His will was dated 29 May 1854 and probated 1 Jul 1854.
EVELINE TOLLE7 born ca 1833; married David Pachett Ringo.
ELIZABETH CAROLINE TOLLE7 born ca 1834; married James W. Watts.
WALTER BROWN TOLLE7 born Feb 1838; married Sarah J. Graff.
ERASTUS DUDLEY TOLLE7 born Sep 1842; married Mary A. Buss.
MARY FRANCES TOLLE7 born ca 1845; married Edward Dunbaugh.
Lucinda Tolle, daughter of Elizabeth (Debell) and John Tolle, was born 21 Aug 1804 in Lewis County, Kentucky. She married John Dickson in Lewis County on 11 May 1824. She was an heir to her father and named in his will. She died on 10 Sep 1872, and is buried in the Tolle Cemetery on route 1237 in Lewis County, Kentucky.
WILLIAM E. DICKSON7 born 24 Apr 1827; died 4 Jun 1888; may have married 3 times.
ANNE E. DICKSON7 born ca 1831.
JOHN S. DICKSON7 born ca 1833.
MARY E. DICKSON7 born ca 1839.
AMBROSE D. DICKSON7 born ca 1844.
GEORGE H. DICKSON7 born ca 1847.
Lewis Dudley Tolle, son of Elizabeth (Debell) and John Tolle, was born 27 Nov 1809 in Lewis County, Kentucky. He married Frances Ann Debell on 5 Jan 1841 in Lewis County, Kentucky. Their bondsman was John Dickson. Frances was the daughter of Sarah A. (Wilson) and Jeremiah Debell. He was on the 1840 and 1850 census of Lewis County. In 1847 Lewis and Frances were involved in a court case with her brother Jeremiah Debell over a female slave that Jeremiah refused to relinquish. In 1860 the family was found in Green County, Missouri. Lewis was named as an heir in the 1861 will of his father. His name also appears in tax and deed records in Fleming County, Kentucky. Before 1870 they were living in Shelby County, Missouri and were listed in the 1880 census there too. He is listed as a resident of Tiger Fork Township, Post Office at Nelsonville. He is listed in the deed boooks a couple of times. Frances (Debell) Tolle died 2 Sep 1887, and Lewis went back to Lewis County, Kentucky to marry anna Mariah Debell. She was the sister of his first wife. They had been playmates in their childhood days. He was age 79 and she age 75. It was her first marriage. Lewis died on 4Jul 1892 and is buried in the Looney Creek Baptist Cemetery, near Shelbyville, in Shelby County, Missoui. Anna Mariah died 2 Feb 1910.
ETHELBERT S. TOLLE7 born 28 oct 1842; married Fidelia Ann Miller.
HENRY H. TOLLE7 born ca 1843; no info after 1860 census of Greene County, Missouri.
WILSON B. TOLLE7 born ca 1844; served in Confederate Army in Co. E. 3rd Missouri Cavalry in the Civil War.
LEROY TOLLE7 born ca 1844; believe he is the one who settled in Delta County, Colorado.
FRANCES A. TOLLE7 born ca 1849; may have died young.
LUCY K. TOLLE7 born ca 1851; was unmarried in 1880 shelby County, Missouri.
MARY TOLLE7 born ca 1853; no info after 1870 Shelby County, Missouri.
Benjamin Harrison Tolle, son of Elizabeth (Debell) and John Tolle, was born 27 Sep 1812 in Lewis County, Kentucky. He married Kerilla B. Goddard on 8 May 1836 in McLean County, Illinois. Kerilla was born 25 Oct 1817, and she was the daughter of Nancy (Ringo) and Benjamin Goddard. He was on the tax lists of Fleming County, Kentucky for the years 1837-1838. He had moved to Shelby County, Indiana at least by 6 Sep 1839 when he purchased 160 acres of land from the School Commissioner in West 1/2 Southeast & East 1/2 Southwest of Section 16, Township 14, Range 8, for a cost of $480. He was named as an heir in his father's will. On the 1850 census he has found in Switzerland County, Indiana, and in 1860 he was in Hendricks County, Indiana. He was still there in 1870. Benjamin died 27 Sep 1879, and Kerilla died after 1880. She was living with her son Joseph M. Tolle in the 1800 census of Hendricks County, Indiana.
JOSEPH M. TOLLE7 born 5 Jul 1837; married Mary D. Jones.
NANCY ELIZABETH TOLLE7 born 24 Dec 1838; married Thomas Jefferson Spicklemire.
JOHN WILLIAM TOLLE7 born 30 Jun 1841; married Fannie Miner at age 73.
JULIA ANN C. TOLLE7 born 25 Mar 1843; married a man named Black.
BENJAMIN F. TOLLE7 born 14 Apr 1846; died 13 Jan 1847 at Switzerland County, Indiana.
THOMAS B. TOLLE7 born 24 Oct 1847; married Catherine A. Carter.
HANNAH R. TOLLE7 born 12 Nov 1849; married Thomas Garner.
MARY ELIZA TOLLE7 born 18 Feb 1852; married a man named Matthews.
JAMES B. TOLLE7 born 6 Nov 1857; died 27 Nov 1861 at age 4.
Susan Ann Tolle, daughter of Elizabeth (Debell) and John Tolle, was born 10 Mar 1817 in Lewis County, Kentucky. She married on 4 Apr 1837 in Lewis County, Kentucky to Kauffman Watts. Susan was an heir in her father's 1861 will.
BENJAMIN B. WATTS7 born ca 1839; married Elizabeth F. Marshall.
JAMES S. WATTS7 born ca 1843.
ZACHARIA WATTS7 born ca 1846.
WILLIAM D. WATTS7 born ca 1849.
James Debell Tolle, son of Elizabeth (Debell) and John Tolle, was born 6 Apr 1824 in Lewis County, Kentucky. He married Maria Eliza Hord on 7 Dec 1847 in Mason County, Kentucky. Their Bondsman was Robert B. Hord. Maria Eliza was born 17 Oct 1826. James was on the tax rolls of Lewis County, Kentucky for 1845-1856, and there is a deed transaction for him there in 1856. He was an heir in his father's 1861 will. James received a patent deed in Vernon County, Missouri in 1859. In 1870 he was residing in Deerfield Township of Vernon County. Maria died 19 May 1906 and James died 21 Aug 1909 and they are buried in the Richland/Wall Cemetery in Vernon County.
ANDERSON ELI TOLLE7 born 6 Nov 1848; married Isabelle J. Martin.
BEN TOLLE7 he may be a grandson instead of son; needs study.
MARY F.E. TOLLE7 no info after the 1870 census of Vernon County, Missouri.
JAMES T. TOLLE7 born Jun 1862; married 1st Sallie E. Strong; 2nd Emma C. Yoder.
ZILPHIA A. TOLLE7 born 24 Jul 1864; died 17 May 1917; never married.
JOHN DUDLEY TOLLE7 born 23 Oct 1867; married Laura Bell Driggs.
George D. Tolle, son of Mary (Dyson) and Stephen Tolle, was born about 1805 in Fauquier County, Virginia. He married on 3 Nov 1832 in Mason County, Kentucky to Lucinda Staggs. They were married by Samuel Helms, and the bondsman was Enoch F. Staggs. Lucinda was born about 1805, duaghter of Malissa (Burns) and Samuel Staggs. He was on the Mason County census for 1830, and the tax lists of 1826-1835. He moved to Buchanan County, Missouri sometime before 1846. During the years of 1846 through 1850 he appeared as witness or security to the wills of several people in Platte and Buchanan Counties. George was found in the census records of Buchanan County in 1850 through 1870. His occupation was listed as School Teacher. He was named as an heir in his father's will of 1863-1869. He seemed to be considered a respectable citizen, because in a letter that Kit Karson wrote to General Fisk on 11 jun 1864, George D. Tolle was referred to as a reliable person to contact for verification of his (Kit's) claims about conditions of that area during the Civil War. He was also mentioned in the Draper Collection, and some Staggs probates. It isn't known at this time just when he died, or where he is buried.
JOSEPHINE TOLLE7 born ca 1835; married THOMAS NEWTON TOLLE.
MARY B. TOLLE7 born ca 1838; unmarried at age 31 in the Buchanan County, Missouri census.
MALISSA TOLLE7 born ca 1840 also unmarried at age 30 in 1870.
SUSANNAH TOLLE7 born ca 1842; no info after the 1860 census of Buchanan County, Missouri.
JULIETT TOLLE7 born ca 1843; no info after 1860.
GEORGE M. TOLLE7 born Jan 1845; no info after 1870 Buchanan County, Missouri census.
Thomas Newton Tolle, son of Mary (Dyson) and Stephen Tolle, was born 26 Jul 1807 in Fauquier County, Virginia. He married a woman named Eliza Susan before 1829. Unfortunately there hasn't been a lot of data found for Thomas Newton. There was a Newton Tolle on the 1830 tax rolls, and there is a deed for him in 1837-1838. He died 14 Nov 1839 and was buried in the Tolle cemetery on Route 1237, in Lewis County, Kentucky. In 1840 there was a Susan Tolle living next to Stephen who may have been the widow of Thomas Newton Tolle, and in 1845 an Eliza S. Tolle married George Purcell, in Mason County, Kentucky. Perhaps this was her.
STEPHEN G. TOLLE7 born Nov 1829; married Mary Martin.
ELI W. TOLLE7 born jan 1837; never married.
Mary Tolle, daughter of Mary (Dyson) and Stephen Tolle, was born about 1820 in Lewis County, Kentucky. She married William G. Lyon on 5 Apr 1841 in Mason County, Kentucky. Their bondsman was Stephen Tolle. Mary died about 1844, probably at the birth of her second child. Her two children were heirs to her father's estate.
CHARLES S. LYON7 born ca 1843 Mason County, Kentucky.
PRESHA EUSEBIA LYON7 born ca 1844 Mason County, Kentucky.


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Elias scores twice in Devils' OT win
PHILADELPHIA (AP) - December 4, 2008 Elias scored the winner at 2:46 of the extra period. He stole the puck in the slot, split two defenders and then put a backhander through goalie Martin Biron's pads.
Elias tied it with 1:30 left in regulation with a slap shot from just inside the blue line that trickled off Biron's midsection into the net.
Scottie Upshall gave the Flyers a 2-1 lead on a fluke play at 15:32 of the third period. His centering pass bounced off New Jersey defender Bryce Salvador into the net.
Zach Parise added a goal and an assist for the Devils, who have won six of their last seven games. Kimmo Timonen scored for the Flyers, who have been unbeaten in regulation in their last six home games (4-0-2).
This was the first game the Flyers faced the Devils without goalie Martin Brodeur since Feb. 27, 2002 at New Jersey. Philadelphia won 1-0, with John Vanbiesbrouck in net for the Devils. Brodeur is out for at least three months with a biceps injury.
Scott Clemmensen, who was signed by the Devils as a free agent in July, made 29 saves in evening his record as a starter at 4-4. He kept New Jersey close by denying Scott Hartnell twice on shots from the doorstep late in the second period.
Biron stopped 28 shots.
Timonen put the Flyers ahead with an unassisted power play goal at 6:48 of the second period, ripping a slap shot through a screen from behind the left circle. It was his third goal of the season and first in eight games.
Parise scored his team-leading 14th goal to pull the Devils even with 2:43 left in the period. He hammered in a rebound with teammate Jamie Langenbrunner draped all over Biron in the goal mouth.
New Jersey was bolstered by the return of right wing Brian Rolston, who was sidelined for 18 games after suffering a severe ankle sprain in Atlanta on Oct. 16, and center John Madden, who was back after sitting out four games with a bruised ankle.
Notes: Devils RW Brian Gionta extended his points streak to eight games (five goals, six assists) with an assist. ... The Flyers recalled C Darroll Powe from their American Hockey League affiliate, the Philadelphia Phantoms. ... The Devils played the fourth game on a five-game trip that will end at Montreal on Saturday.


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Louisiana Philharmonic Orchestra's Conductor To Host Weekly Talk-Back
May 7, 2020 |By Site Staff
NEW ORLEANS (press release) – Starting Thursday, May 7, join the LPO for a weekly virtual talk-back with LPO Music Director and Conductor Carlos Miguel Prieto. Tune into the live stream every Thursday at 7 p.m. CST.
Episode 1: This week's episode "Intro to the LPO" will include a general introduction to the orchestra, what we do, the history of the LPO, and Carlos' tenure here in New Orleans. The special guests this week are the LPO's timpanist Jim Atwood and assistant principal flutist Patti Adams.
Click here to head to the LPO's Facebook page.
NEW ORLEANS (press release) - Starting Thursday, May 7, join the LPO for a weekly virtual talk-back with LPO Music Director and Conductor Carlos Miguel Prieto. Tune into the live stream every Thursday at 7 p.m. CST. Episode 1: This week's episode "Intro to the LPO" will include a general introduction to the orchestra, what we do, the history of the LPO, and Carlos' tenure here in New Orleans. The special guests this week are the LPO's timpanist Jim Atwood and assistant principal flutist Patti Adams. Click here to head to the LPO's Facebook page.