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BMW M Coupe vs. Porsche Cayman
Karen_S Member Posts: 5,092
October 2006 edited March 2014 in BMW
Which one wins? The BMW or Porshe? Read the comparison and post your comments.
2006 Sport Coupe Shootout: BMW M Coupe vs. Porsche Cayman S
Coupes & Convertibles
mpowerf1 Member Posts: 1
Like all Porsches now, the Cayman S is too clinical to be fun. The M Coupe, on the other hand, may perform worse on a track (barely...) but is a lot more fun to drive. You are more involved. Plus, 15 grand is just too much to pay for something that has less power than a Mustang.
decodog2 Member Posts: 1
I have been reading auto mags and the edmunds site for many years and Mr. Hellwig's second opinion on this comparison is the biggest load of BS that I have read yet. All reviews of the Porche Cayman S have been consistent about this being a true driver's car. Mr. Hellwig is going to choose the BMW M roadster because it is harder to drive fast and because it looks odd. It would have been more believable if he had just said because its cheaper. If Mr. Hellwig had to choose one as his only car for the next 10 years, I know he would choose the Cayman.
sandydeb Member Posts: 19
When you tear up a back road, you actually feel like you had something to do with it. With the Cayman, it was all the car's doing.
So if Porsche designs a car which just natural handles better than the M, you need to penalize them for it?
I thought experienced auto journalists would evaluate cars on the basis of how they line up in teh hands of the same driver. If we have an expert driver driving both cars, would he ultimately end up extracting more out of the Cayman than out of the M? I think this shootout provides the answer and then answer is yes.
And I dont think the 'real' hardcore drivers of the sort Mr. Hellwig seems to refer to would (or should) even care about these cars. They should rather get an evo or wrx and soup it up to deliver more gut wrenches at half the price!
I think the target segment for these cars is very well defined. And in every respect, the Porsche wins. Leaving everything else aside, I think even from the exclusivity perspective Porsche flogs BMW. Due to the proliferation of their lower end models (3 series has almost become the quivalent of accords / camries in my office parking lot) I dont think BMW has retained as much exclusivity.
Porsche is the better car and has more exclusivity appeal, both desirable for the intended market. Sigh, too bad that I am not yet in their crosshairs. Someday......
barrosja Member Posts: 2
From an owner of a 06 M Roadster i can tell you this dude is way off. Granted i have not driven a Cockster (top gear anyone?) But ive had this car for 7 months and each drive is better than the next. Its ride is NOT harsh at all contrary to many reviews stating that. I used to own a G35 and and that ride was much worse, 350Z? EVEN more harsh. The BMW handles so fluidly, you know exactly where its going to go around a corner and the ride is EXCELLENT for such a "on rail" handling sports car. Dont believe the lies, its heaven! :P
charlesb Member Posts: 43
The M-coupe rides harsher than the M-Roadster so unless you have test driven one on the same roads as the Edmund's tester your saying the remarks are "way off" must be considered in that light.
Several published reviews have mentioned that BMW might have gone too far in stiffening up the suspension to take advantage of the more rigid coupes inherent capabilities.
ambientflier Member Posts: 10
The lotus elise has WAYYY less power than a mustang too, yet that doesn't stop it from beating the hell out of the FROD. That's called power-to-weight ratio. The porsche has 5hp less and 500lbs less than a mustang gt. Light weight ain't cheap.
m3guy Member Posts: 6
I can understand why cayman S won over the m coupe but come on now, we're comparing a 70k car to a 54.5k car! lets try to keep it within 10k range at least.
im sure if BMW spent more money in research in developing a lighter chassis/materials, use a new engine (instead of the 2001 s54 engine)....and charge the car for like 65k then i bet the BMW M coupe will win
stromile Member Posts: 1
ambientflier is right on the money. Check out the November Car & Driver and read the article that they are calling their new performance benchmark. It's interesting to see how well the Cayman S performed against cars with much more horsepower. They say that they will begin testing all of their performance oriented cars with this method which should make for some interesting discussions.
jmaroun Member Posts: 151
BTW,
According to carsdirect.com..the M is more expensive?
2007 Porsche Cayman 2dr Rear-wheel Drive Coupe Base+Sports Package:
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=92128&acode=USB70PRC071A0&restor- e=false
2006 BMW M 2dr Roadster Base
Target Price: $52,995
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=92128&acode=USB60BMC131A0&restor- e=false
just my 2 cents,
you are absolutely right!
but in the original article they were comparing the Porsche Cayman S and the BMW M Coupe.
just comparing the msrp pricing.....
BMW M coupe is $49,300
where as the
Porsche Cayman S is $58,900
the regular cayman was $49,400
also you can't really compare the regular cayman and M coupe... because they're really two different animals. The M coupe will smoke the cayman
cayman S is more similar to the M coupe
blsjr Member Posts: 1
When you talk about performance sport coupes there is only one thing to judge, who wins on the track. If you justifying, defending, or explaining why the BMW is more fun to lose in, then you must already own one. Sorry for you, if you want the best you have to pay the price, or be content with coming in second where it counts. Being more involved is code word for fighting for control and rubbing off speed when it matters. Buy the Porsche Cayman S and enjoy, it's the most precise road course machine which out performs anything out there in class. So please don't try to push the winner to second by explaining how it's more fun to fight a car than drive a machine.
habitat1 Member Posts: 4,282
I have tremendous respect for BMW in the mid to high end sport coupe and sedan segment (check out my positive posts in those forums). The previous model M5 was, and still is, IMO the pinnacle of what a sports sedan should shoot for. The new V10 model took a big step forward with the engine, but a couple back with i-Drive, larger size and less driver/sports oriented cockpit. Still, the M5 is the king of its category. The M3 is up there as tops in its sports coupe category as well, as long as you don't call a 911 a coupe.
But, IMO, BMW is way off track when it comes to "sports cars". Too heavy, below average handling, borrowed engines.... The Z3/Z4 were inferior to a $32k Honda S2000 the day they were introduced. I'd rather be driving an M5 on a winding country road that a "Z". At least I'd have the pinnacle of 5 passenger handling rather than the lower end of two passenger handling.
I never considered (or drove) the M Coupe when sports car shopping last year. My previous test drive experiences with the Z4 were just too dissapointing to overcome.
If I'm not mistaken, the new 2007 Acura MDX was tested at around 0.85g's by Edmunds. The same they got for the M Coupe. "Sporty" was how they described it. Not exactly what I'd want my best effort as a sports car tagged as.
perunest Member Posts: 42
Two recent professional driver comparison tests show the M Roadster and M Coupe to be quicker on a track than the Cayman S.
I love Porsches and I test drove three 911's, two Boxster S, and a Cayman S, before buying my M Roadster. I love the M Coupe, but I need to be able to get the top down in the summer, so I opted for the Roadster. The Porsches that have been so successful on the track are 911s. The Cayman has no racing history. In fact, the Porsche 911s that have been most successful are the "cup" cars, which are not intended for the street. Let's look at how the street versions compare.
The November 6 Autoweek compared the M Coupe to the Boxster S. It gave the $70,505 Cayman S a narrow all around victory over the $57,595 M Coupe. The Cayman S had every performance option, including sports chrono, active suspension management, and 19 inch carerra wheels. On the track at Willow Springs the reviewers were unanimous in voting for the BMW. Here are some quotes from several of the test drivers.
"On the short, tight streets of Willow the difference between the two was huge".
"The M Coupe was much, much better. Suddenly the power difference showed itself as I entered the first turn, down to the apex,and easing on the gas, the thing just ran".
"The M Coupe felt way better on the racetrack"
A second comparison can be seen in videos from the British TV show "Top Gear". While adding humor and arguing with each other, the staff consists of professional drivers. They ultimately take each car to the same track and have the same professional test driver get his best time. I've attached two links because the Cayman S was tested alone and the M Roadster was tested against the Boxster S. Track times are posted for each car. There are times for many supercars, some of which are beaten by the M Roadster. The Cayman S time was posted before the M Roadster had been tested. When you view the second video you will see that the M Roadster beats both the Boxster S and the Cayman S.
Both Autoweek and Top Gear agree that the Porsches are easier to drive. The BMW is more difficult to handle, Interestingly, difficult handling was one of the hallmarks of air cooled 911s that made 911 owners sneer at other Porsche drivers with lesser skills.
Don't get me wrong. I love the Porsche too. I just needed to respond to the "quicker on the track" comment you made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yBzKhW5zJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAphQpbm4JA&search=Top%20Gear%20Porsche%20Cayman
fedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
I don't think there is a winner or loser here.
In my opinion:
The Porsche has a more luxurious/upscale cabin. It has higher quality materials, has higher cache/prestige, and sexier looks. The biggest difference though is how it drives. The Cayman S is quick, responsive, and very capable, but compared to the BMW, I think that, to repeat the words of an earlier post, it is a little on the "clinical" side of the fun meter.
The BMW, on the other hand, has great seats and a terrific small/fat steering wheel, but the cockpit feels claustrophobic compared to the airy-feeling Porsche, and the plastic trim pieces are downright cheap. I like the way the M Coupe looks, but it's clumsy next to the Cayman. Most importantly, the BMW is a rip-snorting good time behind the wheel. The 3.2 I-6 is a hand-built race engine and it feels/sounds like it. Compared to the BMW, the Porsche drives kind of like a very, very good Honda - smooth, refined, effortless.
The Cayman is a surgeons scalpel and the BMW is a KA-BAR. Personally, I love them both equally (for different reasons), but if I were buying today, my wallet and driving style would lead me towards the BMW.
Borrowed engines in the BMW? What does that signify? The M54 engine has won more prestigious awards than any other 6 cylinder. Just because it was used in the M3 for a few years doesn't make it inferior. It still produces the most horsepower per liter. The Porsche uses the same boxer engine in the Boxster, Boxster s, Cayman, Cayman S, Carerra, and Carrera S. They just vary the displacement from 2.7 liters to 3.6 liters. Note that the 3.2 liter BMW in line six makes 330 hp in the M Roadster and M Coupe. The Cayman only manages 295 HP from a larger 3.4 liter engine. Even the Carerra only makes 325 HP with a 3.6 liter displacement. The Carerra S get to 345 HP by using a 3.8 liter engine. I'd say BMW technology gets an edge here.
dieseltaylor Member Posts: 3
I bought the Cayman because it is a classier car. BMW's are common in my neck of the woods and I have my doubts on how good one will look in 10 years time - not as good as my Cayman for sure.
I sat in a number of BMWs and this time round the Z4 felt claustrophobic, though the new Audi TT is improved. Same argument of longevity and exclusivity. If I ever drove hell for leather maybe I would be interested. Put me on a motorway cruising 70-80-90's and I am getting 27 mpg. Nice
jesawyer Member Posts: 1
But, IMO, BMW is way off track when it comes to "sports cars". Too heavy, below average handling, borrowed engines.... The Z3/Z4 were inferior to a $32k Honda S2000 the day they were introduced.
The Z4 3.0 outperforms the S2000 in pretty much every performance category. You might say, "But does that actually make it faster around a track?" The answer is yes. A stock Z4 3.0 SMG lapped the Nordschleife in 8 minutes, 32 seconds. The S2000 turned in a time of 8 minutes, 39 seconds. Those are Sportauto times, by the way. The Z4 is significantly more expensive, but it also comes with a more practical truck and (in my opinion) a better interior.
For comparison, the Cayman S turned in a time of 8 minutes, 25 seconds. In summary, for the price gap between the S2000 and the Z4 3.0, you get a car that performs better in every regard and has more luxury features. This makes sense. More money = more car. For the price gap between the Z4 M Coupe and the Cayman S, you get a car that performs worse and may or may not have a better interior, depending on your preference.
So what's that again about BMW not knowing how to make sports cars?
I believe Habitat1 said they were inferior "the day they were introduced."
When the Z4 was introduced, the top-of-the-line 3.0L model only had 215 HP (N52 series engine). It was heavier, slower, and less responsive than the S2000.
The 3.0si, which you refer to above, has the newer 255 HP N54 motor. With 40 more HP, it's certainly quicker than the old 3.0L model (and infinitesimally quicker than the S2000), but with it's 300 lb weight disadvantage, it still doesn't quite match the Honda in handling dynamics. On the other hand, it is smoother riding and more comfortable on a day-by-day basis.
BMW has always been the master of the "ride/handling tradeoff" and the Z4 is no exception. Compared to the S2000, I think the BMW is the better all-around sports car (it should be with a $10,000 price premium). But judged strictly as a sports car, I'd say the Honda, with it's 8000 RPM redline and lighter weight, is still more responsive and thrilling to drive - even if it is 1 MPH slower around The Ring.
beemerhead Member Posts: 4
I bought a Z4 3.0 sport in 2004 after test driving a 350Z and a Honda. The japanese were both good but finish was lacking and frankly driving at 8000rpm all the time (S2000) would get annoying in a Honda. I now own a 2006 M Roadster and have over 20k miles on it. A friend of mine bought a new Boxster S. I can't believe that Porsche charges you to put their own logo on the hood! The Z4 is meant to be a sporty daily driver for most people and it does very well balancing comfort, ease and sporty handling. The M is a track car that you can take on the road, coupe or roadster. The Porsche is sports car that makes driving well easy but they're cramped and everything is "extra" driving the price way up, enough to buy another car for bad weather. It depends on what you want in a car. An M is a good daily driver for people who really like to drive, but a Z4 is easier. Porsche has more snob appeal and like Mercedes they charge you for every ounce of it. It also bugs me that every Porsche looks pretty much like every other Porsche. There is only one Porsche and that is the 911 and everything else is just working up to it. I was attracted to the BMW because of European styling, most performance per dollar, classy fit and the classic long hood roadster look. I also like the M because it is a driver's car and if you want to raise the pucker factor, turn off the DSC and turn on the Sport mode and see how good you really are. The Cayman/Boxster is a great car and so is the M...or the Honda and others. It just depends on what you want, what you can afford and how you like to drive.


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Brazil's political and economic turmoil have given rise to a wide range of conflicts. The general conflict in the country has helped some Brazilian mediators to refine, evolve, change and add to the methods they use for both public and private dispute and conflict resolution. The RePacificar Initiative uses the "RePacificar Social Concept," which is a counterpoint of the term "Pacification", which has been culturally used to designate actions to reestablish the "status quo" of the societies, usually by superior hierarchical imposition. The RePacifar has come to be known, in Brazil, as an action that acts in the base of the social pyramid, directly in society, realizing transformation through dialogue, mediation, and driving legislative change and the creation of public policies.
Drawing from his work with RePacificar, Akira Ninomiya will discuss the Initiative's efforts to address conflicts using mediation in one region of Brazil, the State of Goiás (the "Green Heart of Brazil"). Akira will discuss his concept of "resignification", which has as its main element the transformation of the view of conflict and crisis situations, working on the diagnosis of the elements that generate conflicts and solving the root causes, promoting a cultural resignification on the way to view and deal with conflicts and crises. This concept was disseminated in all 1,149 public schools in the state of Goiás, in the initiative called "Peace in the Heart of Brazil". Attention will be given to lessons learned to improve the culture of resolving a variety of conflicts in the schools, cases involving violence and public security, and dialogues to address social and political conflicts. Many of the insights, concepts, approaches and techniques developed recently in Brazil will offer opportunities to improve mediation and other ADR skills in New York and all around the world.
AKIRA NINOMIYA is a Negotiator and Mediator, international speaker, writer, Director of Japan and the United States Affairs in the Foreign Trade Chamber of the Goiás State Industrial and Service Trade Association – ACIEG in Brazil. Vice president of the Commission of International Law of the Brazilian BAR of the State of Goiás. Coordinator of the Commission of Mediation of the Brazilian BAR of the State of Goiás (2013-2015). CEO of the Ninomiya Corporation. Founder of the RePacificar Multidimensional Initiative. President of the RePacificar Institute. President of the RePacificar International Congress (since 2014).
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Connecting globally is really powerful, but how do we use this medium in a way to enhance professional learning and empower the voice of teachers in our own building. Sometimes seeing the impact of using Twitter on a global level brings ideas back into our classrooms, but perhaps using Twitter locally could push people to connect others globally.
Just remember that "Twitter" isn't just for days that you are discussing technology. It can amplify and accelerate learning in any topic, whether it is on health initiatives, assessment practices, or deep understanding of any topic. It is easy to do, yet can share several mediums, which allows for different types of processing and understanding.
I believe Twitter still needs to work on their interface design. And revisit their limits on third-party clients, which is where a lot of experimentation in interface design took place. But, even in it's current form with help from Tweetbot for iOS and Mac, Tweetdeck, and Participate Learning's hashtag chat client Twitter is still very useful.


A place to come and chat about anything remotely Discworld, or just the weather.
We got some new bedroom draw units a few weeks ago and now want to paint the existing bedside units the same colour.
Took a piece to B&Q but the scanner didn't work on such a small sample.
Today I took down a whole draw but it turns out the scanner is faulty.
After working through the Dulux colour charts I finally selected the best colour in silk.
Having spend many hours working on my photos I know just how difficult colour matching is.
Spent a big chunk of the weekend listing stuff on The Other Place because I have more stuff than space and it was a free listing weekend.
You can tell your small child feels neglected when she spontaneously runs up to you, gives you a big hug and a kiss and says "I love you".
I felt a bit mean about the amount of time I was devoting to other things but I still passed her over to my husband so I could get on with it.
I made it up to her today by spending all day with her, we went for a walk and we did some painting together - out in the garden where she can make as much mess as she wants. After that she got to watch some Sarah and Duck.
Rabelasian wrote: Spent a big chunk of the weekend listing stuff on The Other Place because I have more stuff than space and it was a free listing weekend.
Don't feel bad. Giving yourself space makes being together more special; as long as being together is one to one. Your daughter obviously understands.
Just finished making coconut muffins - too hot to eat but too good not to.
Well worth getting a burned tongue for.
more how was my week really.
As I posted in the aargh thread, I had abnomrally (but not aprently dangerously) high blood pressure (around 173/110) on Friday. They didn't give me medication but sent me home with a BP monitor and told me to take it twice in the morning and twice in the evening with a two minute gap between. This shocked me (the bp reading, not the instrucitons) so I made instant diet changes, gone are the 200g of salty snackfoods a night, gone is refined sugar, gone is bread and indeed almost all wheat. This morning, admitedly not long after I woke up so possibly not a consistent reading, I got 115/90 .
Aditionally the dietary changes have dropped 3.5 kilos off me in the aforesaid week with no other lifestyle swaps, just an alteration of diet. I have had some dizzy spells but that is just metabolic adjustment. I am still probably 25 pounds/12 kilos overweight (currently 96.8 aiming for 85) but if I can get down to 90 and hold it there I will be mostly happy.
Food is, I feel, my final battle, having quite smoking and drinking I knew Iw as eating terribly but this blood pressure reading brought it home to me, if I want to live, I need to change my habits.
So, a ways to go yet but I am on the road, one addiction left.
Finally found a short sleeved jersey to replace the one that was cut off me when I was admitted to hospital,went for a help for heroes number.
Lousy day. Sinus headache from the moment I woke up, feeling foggy headed and stuffy all day long. Bleh!
Wouldn't have been too bad but I had it all day yesterday as well.
Abandoned small child duties to the husband and lolled in bed until almost 11am (which doesn't happen very often) then bumbled about the house all day not really accomplishing anything.
Outmaneuvered on all counts, I opt to change the rules.
Can't make more flowers because she steals them, can't make more butterfly hair slides (like she's wearing) because she'll steal them, can't do a damn thing while she's around - damned annoying small child!
Yeah, cuteness has powers that should be listed among the laws of physics.
My Dad has just retired. And I mean just; he walked out of the office for the last time less than 5 minutes ago. I has a sad. I have sat next to him at work for the last 5 years. I'm not a fan of my job particularly and my Dad has been the support that has kept me willing to keep coming in, not that he knows that. I'm trying very hard not to break into tears.
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Basement wrote: My Dad has just retirement. And I mean just; he walkedout of the office for the last time less than 5 minutes ago. I has a sad. I have sat next to him at work for the last 5 years. I'm not a fan of my job particularly and my Dad has been the support that has kept me willing to keep coming in, not that he knows that. I'm trying very hard not to break into tears.
Wasn't this taking the Take your Child to Work day scheme a bit far?
Sorry to hear he has retired. I assume he didn't want to.
I was Retired last August and all my applications for jobs have disappeared into a black hole.


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If a burglar breaks in and takes nothing but numbers from a social security card and driver's license, there's little doubt theft has occurred.
Taking resource data from private property is no different than identity theft, Wyoming Senator Larry Hicks (R-Baggs) contends, particularly when the offender is illegally trespassing to acquire that data. Hicks serves on the state's Joint Judiciary Committee, which sponsored bills in Wyoming's 2015 Legislative Session that would create civil and criminal ramifications for trespassing to collect data and limit the use of unlawfully collected data.
"We're talking about data that by its very nature is collected to jeopardize the livelihood of landowners," Hicks said, which is why Senate File 12 creates criminal ramification while its companion bill, Senate File 80, creates civil recourse for landowners who may realize damage to their economic entities because of data collected while trespassing.
SF12 focuses on the creating stipulations under which illegally collected data may not be used, must be expunged from databases and may not be admissible as evidence in civil, criminal or administrative proceedings. SF 80 notes that any individual who unlawfully collects resource data may be found liable for any economic damages and associated litigation costs from a successful claimant.
"This will be a game changer as far as how our state does business," Hicks said. "It means we're going to do a little better job in communicating with our landowners. This starts to raise that barrier back up to preserve those constitutional protections for private land owners."
The bills have earned overwhelming support on both sides of the session – SF 12 passed its third reading in the Senate with 26-3 support and the third reading in the House with 49-10 support. It failed in concurrence Feb. 24 and was sent back to the Joint Judiciary Committee …(still waiting to hear back as to WHY exactly). The civil companion bill SF 80 passed out of the Senate on a 26-4 in its final reading there, and it has been placed on file for its second reading in the House as of Feb. 24.
Jim Magagna, Wyoming Stockgrowers Association executive vice president, said the bills undoubtedly raise a private property issue of great importance to their ranching members.
"Whatever data is on your land is your possession," Magagna said. "So if someone is going across private land or accessing that land to collect data, besides being trespassing, in my view, that's theft."
According to the SF 12 bill language, "'resource data' means data relating to land or land use, including but not limited to data regarding agriculture, minerals, geology, history, cultural artifacts, archeology, air, water, soil, conservation, habitat, vegetation or animal species."
The "poster child" that prompted the development of these bills in the state point to the Western Watershed Project, Magagna explained. According to their website, the Western Watersheds Project is a nonprofit environmental conservation group "with a primary focus on the negative impacts of livestock grazing on 250 million acres of western public lands."
The group and its employee are currently listed as defendants in a civil trespass lawsuit brought by 15 Wyoming landowners. The suit was filed in June 2014, alleging that the defendants were "intentionally and without landowner permission trespassing and entering private property," according to a Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation news release, in order to collect water quality data.
In the Western Watershed Project's December 2014 filed motion to dismiss the suit, court documents note that the group engaged in "monitoring activities that include sampling water from streams crossing federal land and providing the results of those water samples to state regulatory agencies, which lack the means to comprehensively monitor water quality."
"As a result of the water quality samples taken by WWP, Wyoming has already listed three streams as impaired waterways under the federal Clean Water Act," the WWP-filed court documents note.
Magagna said while this lawsuit is not the only instance that prompted the Stockgrower's support of the trespassing to collect data legislation, it's a reminder to landowners to be vigilant of potential trespassers and activities on their private property.
If enacted, the bills would also apply to and test the legality of data collection from private land while utilizing an administrative easement or surface use agreements, Hicks said.
"You may have a legal or contracted mechanism to allow individuals to access your surface. They may have administrative access to cross you, but they don't have access to do whatever they want on your land," Hicks said.
Magagna noted that he hopes the potential passage of legislation like this increases positive communication between landowners and public entities and other data gatherers.
"If I have sage grouse leks on my property, I may want certain agencies to know about that, because it shows I'm making a positive contribution to sustaining that environment," Magagna said. "But the bottom line is, it should be my decision whether I want that agency to be out there gathering that type of data."


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The World Documentary Award is being presented to THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ANDRÉ directed by Kate Novack. The jury stated: "The winner of the world documentary award delivers a fascinating portrait of a larger-than-life personality, but admirably escapes the trappings of simple biography by revealing how a towering, influential figure still thrives in an imperfect world."


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In a sprayed, 5-inch fry pan, cook the ground beef until no pink shows over medium heat. Drain fat. Stir in chili powder till well coated. Set aside.
Cover a small cake-sized plate with about 20 round corn chips. Add the beef. Sprinkle Kraft Finely Shredded Sharp Cheddar Cheese. Top with salsa.
Cover and put in the microwave for 45 seconds or until cheese melts. Enjoy!