I also wonder about their need for water to drink? It doesn't sound like there's much standing water about in your neck of the woods!
Thank you, Amber, for reaching all the way from North Carolina to offer these ideas! I've tried offering water but perhaps not well and often enough. I also tried a cutter bee motel, but a weta got in and ate the larvae! I will get some more larvae and take a good look at the link you sent. I very much want to make a tree hive or two but there are rules about hives here that make me hesitate, as well as problems with another beehive close to here, because of the city residential environment. It's helped to acknowledge the problem, a different one than the one that got me started on bee-loved flowers. Now to try for some possible solutions, including those you suggest! 🙂 Thanks again.
I hope it helps, you're doing wonderful things to encourage such a beautiful pollinator habitat. OH! I just looked up "weta" and my eyes nearly fell out of my skull…that is one serious bug! Best of luck to you!
Yep! Wetas can be a bit scary when they get in a shoe or something! One got into the sleeve of my shirt the other day! Couldn't work out what the prickly feeling was. Yikes!


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Q: Google Oauth2 API using DotNetOpenAuth in asp.net MVC5 giving 401 Unauthorized Google Auth2 Not working for organizational email. Although it was working fine, but on a sudden  it stopped working and saying 401 unauthorized.
 [AllowAnonymous]
        public async Task<ActionResult> ExternalLoginCallback(string returnUrl, string error)
        {
            string ProviderName = OpenAuth.GetProviderNameFromCurrentRequest();

            if (ProviderName == null || ProviderName == "")
            {
                NameValueCollection nvs = Request.QueryString;
                if (nvs.Count > 0)
                {
                    if (nvs["state"] != null)
                    {
                        NameValueCollection provideritem = HttpUtility.ParseQueryString(nvs["state"]);
                        if (provideritem["__provider__"] != null)
                        {
                            ProviderName = provideritem["__provider__"];
                        }
                    }
                }
            }

            GoogleOAuth2Client.RewriteRequest();

            var redirectUrl = Url.Action("ExternalLoginCallback", new { ReturnUrl = returnUrl });
            var retUrl = returnUrl;
            var authResult = OpenAuth.VerifyAuthentication(redirectUrl);

            string ProviderDisplayName = OpenAuth.GetProviderDisplayName(ProviderName);

            if (!authResult.IsSuccessful)
            {
                return Redirect(Url.Action("Login", "Account"));
            }

            //Get provider user details
            string ProviderUserId = authResult.ProviderUserId;
            string ProviderUserName = authResult.UserName;

            string Email = null;
            string userPicture = "";
            string firstname = "";
            string lastname = "";
            if (Email == null && authResult.ExtraData.ContainsKey("email"))
            {
                Email = authResult.ExtraData["email"];
                userPicture = authResult.ExtraData["picture"];
                firstname = authResult.ExtraData["given_name"];
                lastname = authResult.ExtraData["family_name"];
            }
}

is there something that needs to be allowed or is blocking possible on the domain side?

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A fungal nail infection is an unsightly inconvenience that can affect even the most diligent hygienic person. While cross contamination from non sterilised instruments used in some day spas and foot salons has been recognised as a primary source of infection, a fungal infection may be contracted any time. Nails that are damage or have separated away from the nail bed are particularly susceptible to the fungal spores living in our environment.
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FuseBox Radio: Yeezus Marketing Rises, #RIP Romananthony [FLASHBACK EPISODE - Week of Jan. 7, 2016]
This is a BONUS FLASHBACK EPISODE of the syndicated FuseBox Radio Broadcast with DJ Fusion & Ausar Ra Black Hawk for the week of of Jan. 7, 2016 [this episode was originally broadcast on the week of May 22, 2013] for our new & old listeners featuring new and classic music from the international Black Diaspora, news and commentary.
This week's radio show breakdown (by minutes/hours):
0:00 - 1:06:40 Introduction & Commentary
1:06:40 - 2:10:51 DJ Fusion Music Mix
2:10:51 - 3:16:56 Ausar Ra Black Hawk Music Mix
Our commentary during that week touched base on the weather tragedy with the tornadoes in Oklahoma, Assata Shakur being put on the FBI's U.S. Most Wanted Terrorist List, the biggest for-profit prison company in the U.S. - the CCA (Corrections Corporation of America) - basically guaranteeing LOTS of bodies in jail for a while, our view of Hip-Hop artist Kanye West's latest songs ("New Slaves" & "Black Skinhead"), return of the Hip-Hop holograms at this year's Rock The Bells Festival, the controversy behind an interview with actress Zoe Saldana's views on race, the passing of House Music producer/singer Romanthony, fools in Europe tweeting criminal acts on the Internet (and getting caught) & getting stuck in McDonalds' baby high chairs while drunk plus some other things here and there.
There was no Black Agenda Report news mini-segment on this week's episode.
Feel free to check out some recent episodes of the syndicated FuseBox Radio Broadcast over at our official blog, BlackRadioIsBack.com - all of the shows are clean/radio friendly.
FuseBox Radio Playlist + Charts for the Week of Jan. 7, 2016 [originally broadcast on the week of May 22, 2013]
DJ Fusion Romanthony Tribute Mini-Mix/Memorial Day House Music Mini-Mix (RIP), In Sequential Song Order:
1. Romanthony/Let Me Show You Love/Azuli Records
2. Daft Punk feat. Romanthony/One More Time/Virgin
3. Romanthony/Wanderer/Black Male Records
4. Romanthony/Hold On/Boule
5. Romanthony feat. Trojan Horse/Bring U Up/Black Male Records
6. Romanthony/Ministry of Love/Azuli Records
7. Romanthony feat. Eve Angel/Get It Together/Brooklyn Trax
8. Romanthony/Everybody Dancing/White Label
9. Romanthony Interview/Slices DVD Feature (2013)
PLUS the Jon Judah/Ausar Ra Black Hawk Master Mix w/ Old School Black Music Classics, New School Tunes and Independent Music Finds and more!

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On February 28, hundreds of immigrant families gathered at the San Francisco Immigration Building on Sansome St. to protest the increase in ICE raids nationwide and in the Bay Area. This was the third day of the Week of Action Against ICE Raids for Immigrant Rights.
Several immigrant rights groups denounced ICE tactics of arbitrary interrogation based on racial profiling and detention tactics. Immigrant rights are calling on ICE to stop their operation and on Speaker Nancy Pelosi to call for a moratorium on all raids until Congress decides on newimmigration legislation.
Medicare plan services not adequate for limited English proficient callers The National Senior Citizens Law Center (NSCLC) has found that prescription drug coverage companies for Medicare beneficiaries in California are not meeting their obligation to provide services in languages other than English. A survey conducted by the NSCLC found that over 60 percent of calls placed never reached someone speaking the language of the caller, and more than 50 percent all calls ended without any attempt by the representative to connect the caller to someone speaking the caller's language.
Almost 30 percent of California's one million low-income beneficiaries are limited English proficient.
A program to provide universal health care access for all uninsured San Franciscans will be implemented in phases, to increase the flexibility of local businesses to understand the program and to meet the health car needs of their employees.
The ordinance adjusts the phasing of participation in the program, with the Health Access Plan beginning on July 1 as the first phase of enrollment for the most vulnerable, uninsured residents. The second phase begins January 1, 2008 for individuals whose participation is funded by employers.
Education Not Incarceration (ENI) is urging Bay Area community members to take action to prevent the closure of East Oakland Community High School (EOC). The group supports EOC because it represents ENI's four point program to stop students from being pushed out of school and into prison.
A march and rally were held on February 28 to the Oakland School Board meeting. ENI is urging community members to contact School Board Members, Mayor Ron Dellums and the State Appointed Administrator.
The Health Department and Youth Commission of San Mateo County presented the 2007 San Mateo County Adolescent Report to the Board of Supervisors on February 27.The report provides a snapshot of the health of County youth and recommends policies to improve health.
The report found San Mateo County lacking in developmental assets around youth and adult partnerships and mentoring opportunities. The report is available online at www.smhealth.org/hppp.


Ending one of the most public debates regarding cybersecurity and privacy in recent memory, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) dismissed its case against Apple over the government's ability to hack into a dead terrorist's iPhone for evidence, claiming that they had found a third party that was able to do it, for them.
While we covered the details of the case in detail here, the basic facts bear repeating: In the aftermath of the December 2, 2015, terrorist attacks in San Bernadino, California – where 14 people were killed and another 22 wounded – the FBI found the iPhone of one of the attackers, Syed Rizwan Farook. The FBI wanted to gain access to Farook's phone to gather evidence, but the encryption on the phone included a triggering mechanism that would wipe the phone's data if the passcode was entered incorrectly enough times. The FBI asked the maker of the phone, Apple, to break into it for them. Apple refused, claiming that not only did they not have the keys to do it, but they would not hack into a phone, for privacy concerns.
The FBI sued Apple to compel them to hack into the phone.
On March 29, the case took a turn when the FBI suddenly announced that they were dropping the case against Apple. The government agency claimed that they had found a third party who would provide the software necessary to break into the model phone – an iPhone 5C – making the lawsuit needless.
After all of the publicity and the heated debate about cybersecurity, your privacy, and the government's ability to intrude on it, the situation was suddenly and anti-climatically over.
But that does not mean that the underlying issue has gone away. In fact, the resolution between Apple and the FBI over Farook's iPhone is only a disturbing delay in the cybersecurity debate that is sure to flare up in the near future, all over again.
An important aspect of the case is that the hack was provided by a private party – allegedly an Israeli cybersecurity firm – and not a government agency. Your privacy is not protected by the Bill of Rights, including your right to not be victimized by unreasonable searches or seizures, if the intruder is a private company. That the FBI so willingly let a private organization do their investigating for them is eyebrow-raising.
However, the aftermath of the FBI's announcement that it had hacked into Farook's iPhone is perhaps, even more, disconcerting: State and local law enforcement agencies are now clamoring to be told how it was done, and the FBI has always expressed an interest in helping them out. Criminal defense attorneys across the country had predicted this – the FBI would want to break into a dead terrorist's phone now, but tomorrow it would be local police, trying to break into a U.S. citizen's phone to investigate a low-level offense. The slippery slope argument that we had warned against is coming true. The only thing that can stop it from happening is Apple's cybersecurity team coming up with a patch to prevent the hack. But once this is done, it will only be a matter of time before it all happens, again.


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Q: Twig: Working internationalization (i18n) example I am looking for a working i18n example for Twig (the template engine).
Documentation is a bit sparse when it comes to language files. Where should they go, how should they look and what should they be named? I have been trying with .po/.mo files, no luck.
If someone could point me in the right direction...
See: the i18n extension example which does not really tell me much about the language files themselves.
Note: I want to use Twig on its own, not as part of Symfony.
Here is my php-file:
 <?php
header('Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8');

$vars = array();
foreach($_POST as $key => $value) {
    $vars[$key] = json_decode(utf8_encode(urldecode($value)));
}

/* Prepare Twig template enginge */
require_once './lib/Twig/Autoloader.php';
Twig_Autoloader::register();

$loader = new Twig_Loader_Filesystem('./templates');
$twig = new Twig_Environment($loader, array(
    //'cache' => './cache',
    'cache' => false
));

/* i18n */
$twig->addExtension(new Twig_Extensions_Extension_I18n());

$availableLanguages = array(
    'en' => 'en_EN',
    'de' => 'de_DE',
    'default' => 'de_DE'
);

// Set language
$locale = array_key_exists($_GET['lang'], $availableLanguages) ? $availableLanguages[$_GET['lang']] : $availableLanguages['default'];
putenv('LC_ALL='.$locale);
setlocale(LC_ALL, $locale);

// Specify the location of the translation tables
bindtextdomain('kalkulator', 'includes/locale');
bind_textdomain_codeset('kalkulator', 'UTF-8');

// Choose domain
textdomain('kalkulator');

$template = $twig->loadTemplate('print.tpl');

$html = $template->render($vars);

switch($_GET['action']) {
    case 'mail':

    break;
    default:
        echo $html;
    break;
}

?>

And inside includes/locale I have the following files:
-rw-r--r--  1 user group  670 Jul 28 10:17 kalkulator-de_DE.mo
-rw-r--r--  1 user group  982 Jul 28 10:22 kalkulator-de_DE.po
-rw-r--r--  1 user group  688 Jul 28 10:38 kalkulator-en_EN.mo
-rw-r--r--  1 user group 1004 Jul 28 10:38 kalkulator-en_EN.po

And inside the print.tpl file I am using tags to specify which parts are to be translated:
{% trans %}
Text to be translated
{% endtrans %}

A: The twig i18n extension is based on gettext. So first of all everything related to gettext applies. You find that documented here: Gettext Docs.
So now to the more concrete parts of you question, but please ensure you've at least understood the basic principles with gettext:

Where should they [the language files] go

Into the directory that has been registered for the text-domain.

, how should they look and what should they be named?

Language files should be named the following:
text-domain-locale.po/mo
Example for a text domain called myAppPhp and the fr_FR locale:
myAppPhp-fr_FR.po
myAppPhp-fr_FR.mo

I have been trying with .po/.mo files, no luck.

.po/.mo sounds good to me, maybe you have just missed the path where to move them or you have forgotten to add the text-domain in front.

A: I've tried everything possible in slim 3 but nothing was working, only slim 2, so I've created my own way. Basically the system detects the language from the browser and load the correct translation file, more details in the picture:


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This three ring spectacular is a competition, a Regional Championship for the Ontario West portion of Canada, as well as a Qualifying Event for the AAC National Championship to be held near Barrie, Ontario in August of 2019. In the past, competitors have come from as far away as Thunder Bay, Ontario and Michigan to test their skills against Western Ontario's best. As Western Ontario is home to many previous Regional, National and World Agility Champions, the competition is sure to be fierce and fun!!
Friday, May 24th will a warm up event, an AAC Sanctioned Agility Trial held in two rings, with a warm up ring available for a bit of training. Teams need not be entered in the Regaional Championship to enter the warm up trial.
Saturday, May 25 and Sunday May 26 will be a 6 class, cumulative scoring with the overall winners announced on Sunday afternoon.


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'It's all about the people on the inside' – Johann van Graan
Peter Stringer
10 January 2022, 2:22 am ·2-min read
Irish rugby union footballer
Munster head coach Johann van Graan believes the criticism he and his side have received is "understandable" but refuses to let pressure distract his team.
Van Graan's announcement that he will be leaving the province and taking over Premiership side Bath from next season invited much scrutiny, only to be made worse by a disappointing defeat to Connacht last week.
The poor performance saw Munster legend Peter Stringer, amongst others, question the South African's commitment to the team with some suggesting Van Graan should be relieved of his role before the end of the season.
Internal focus
However, an impressive 18-13 win over Ulster, having played the majority of the game a man down, proved the 41-year-old is not finished with Munster and has the support of his players.
"It is all about the people on the inside (of the camp)," Van Graan told reporters.
"It is professional sport. There will always be noise but luckily we have a very good leadership group and a very good coaching team.
"I can understand when people get carried away or when people make statements and that is part and parcel of professional rugby.
"All we can do is focus on our process and inside the HPC we are all pretty calm and pretty composed. It was a normal week for us.
"I think we were better compared to last week. It came down to using opportunities, and I think we did that better. We took our points. We stayed in the game in a pretty tight Irish derby."
Munster will be looking to build on their Irish derby win when they travel to Castres for a Champions Cup encounter. The quick turnaround will be boosted by the return of Conor Murray, Keith Earls and Andrew Conway, amongst others.
After obtaining an "odd" abdominal injury in training last week, Damian de Allende's fitness is still in question.
"A stomach muscle, so hopefully he will recover and be available. We won't know until early next week," Van Graan added.
"We have got to make sure we recover first. We have literally got Monday and Tuesday and then we are off to France. We have a few guys who will hopefully come back in the next few days.
"This was a pretty physical encounter so we will take stock. We won't get carried away.
"The last time we played Castres away we lost 13-12. The way they came back against other teams in the last two weeks means it is clear they will be a handful over there.
"We will look at the game in isolation, prepare well, and hopefully deliver a good performance."
The article 'It's all about the people on the inside' – Johann van Graan appeared first on Planetrugby.com.
David Moyes seethes over West Ham schedule as Leeds deal blow to top-four hopes
Harrison's first hat-trick saw Leeds over the line in an end-to-end match Forshaw and Firpo both limped off after 20 minutes, adding to Leeds' injury woes
Novak Djokovic back in detention ahead of appeal hearing
Djokovic faces deportation after his visa was cancelled for a second time on Friday.
'Brady will eat teams up!' - Bucs marvel at QB's playoffs performance
Tampa Bay completed a one-sided 31-15 victory against the Philadelphia Eagles on Super Wild Card Weekend.
Everton sack Rafael Benitez after six months in charge following Norwich defeat
Everton have sacked Rafael Benitez after six months in charge. Benitez leaves Goodison Park after Saturday's 2-1 defeat at Norwich left Everton 16th in the Premier League after nine defeats in their past 12 games. Everton's travelling fans demanded that Benitez "get out of our club" during the Norwich defeat.


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Office_Shredder
Credit ratings agencies are regulated by the federal government, and therefore are creatures of the federal government?
mheslep
Office_Shredder said:
Not just regulated. The federal government also designates them, that is, picks them. A very select club. Either you or I with the proper expertise and regulatory compliance can start a local bank (at least in the US, in my state), especially if we think the existing local banks under perform. Similarly we can start an insurance company (not so much an underwriter). But even with perfect regulatory compliance and convincing evidence that we're getting unreliable evidence from existing credit rating firms, we can't become a Nationally Recognized Statistical Rating Organization without, as far as I can see, extraordinary political blessing akin to an act of God.
mheslep said:
You can rate whatever credit you want without getting government approval. Essentially what you have is a private/public partnership here: NRSRO's assign a rating to different bonds etc. which the government uses for regulatory purposes. If this didn't exist, the government would have to assign its own rating to all these bonds and would de facto become the sole credit rating organization.
The wikipedia article even describes how some believe that the existence of an NRSRO label has increased competition amongst credit rating organizations. Basically, you wouldn't be able to start a credit rating agency because nobody would listen to you even if NRSRO status didn't exist
Also, do you actually know how one gets NRSRO status? Do you have to be lucky to get picked, or is it that every company complying with certain regulations can apply and be granted the status automatically (from their website it seems like you just fill out a form, and prove you satisfy certain requirements)?
The Credit Rating Agency Reform Act of 2006
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-3850
seems to back this also
GROUNDS FOR DECISION- The Commission shall grant registration under this subsection--
(i) if the Commission finds that the requirements of this section are satisfied; and
(ii) unless the Commission finds (in which case the Commission shall deny such registration) that--
(I) the applicant does not have adequate financial and managerial resources to consistently produce credit ratings with integrity and to materially comply with the procedures and methodologies disclosed under paragraph (1)(B) and with subsections (g), (h), (i), and (j); or
(II) if the applicant were so registered, its registration would be subject to suspension or revocation under subsection (d).GROUNDS FOR DECISION- The Commission shall grant registration under this subsection--
(II) if the applicant were so registered, its registration would be subject to suspension or revocation under subsection (d).
basically says that if the application materials are complete and good, it has to be accepted. This is fairly recent of course and I don't know what the procedure was like before this bill was passed
vertices said:
I was kind of expecting a more sophisticated justification for this absurd idea.
So if a contract explicitly states that the contractee must kill someone who is not party to the contract, the contract is in and of itself perfectly valid?
What are you talking about? What absurd idea? That murder, and contracting murder should be illegal?
It seems either I made a serious typo somewhere or you have misconstrued something I said.
I said people have a right to enter voluntary agreements. A person obviously can only agree to do those things they could do without the agreement. Such agreements don't legally give anyone any claim against any third party. Is this not obvious?
Al68 said:
A contract is a legally binding set of actions.
Murder is a crime.
So if a contract specifically states that the contractor is to murder a third party, this contract has to be null and void by definition.
So it is meaningless to talk about an absolute, unconditional "right to contract", "independent" of whether or not this contract impinges on the rights of third parties. The idea is even meaningless in anarchic systems, which rely on people 'cooperating' with each other (in a game-theory sense).
You can rate whatever credit you want without getting government approval.
Meaning personally? As in, "I think the latest California Muni bond issue will likely default"? To what end? Nobody can effectively float a bond on the market without a NRSRO rating attached. As I understand it, the problem is with the buyers: banks and brokers are prohibited from buying unrated debt.
Who is talking about such a thing? I have consistently said otherwise. Do you have me confused with someone else? Mixed up threads?
For a contract to be legal, the actions each party agrees to perform must be actions they are at liberty to perform. The actions that may be contracted are the same actions that may be performed without a contract. The right to contract doesn't imply the right to agree to actions which are illegal with or without the contract. A contract doesn't endow the parties to any "special" rights they don't already have. What would give you the idea that this wasn't the case?
Our disagreement was whether merely "affecting" a third party invalidates a contract. Clearly it does not. If an action agreed to in a contract affects a third party by violating their rights, then the contract isn't legal because the actions agreed to violate a third party's rights, not because they merely "affected" a third party.
If a transaction between yourself and myself affects a third person not party to this transaction, what we are doing, by not even bothering to consult them, is denying them personal autonomy, which is a violation of their (human) rights.
Corporations often pretend externalities don't exist, because it is not legally possible for them to deny the affected parties their rights.
There exist and have existed credit rating agencies that were not NRSROs. Hell, part of the process of becoming one is to have been a credible credit rating agency and to have people in the market back you up on that. So obviously there exists a market for non-NRSRO credit rating agencies
We can see here
http://www.defaultrisk.com/rating_agencies.htm
There simply are not a lot of credit rating agencies in the world, and not all the US credit rating agencies are NRSROs. If you want to use a non-NRSRO credit rating agency for regulatory purposes, you can ask the SEC to allow it.
The real reason you could not make a credit rating agency is because you have no credibility and no experience in rating debt, and reputation obviously means a lot in this market. It's not a government labeling issue that's stopping you
There exist and have existed credit rating agencies that were not NRSROs.
Yes, but that's all irrelevant to the topic at hand, which was subprime mortage securities and their relation to credit rating agencies as connected in post https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2783651&postcount=349" by vertices and my response that they are 'creatures' of government. The non-NRSROs on your list have nothing to do with rating those kinds of (US) bonds, nor can they. Only NRSRO's have anything to do with that, that is those designated by the government. Given the utterly subjective rules in place from the SEC to select them:
"...adequate financial and managerial resources to consistently produce credit ratings with integrity..."
So if I buy a car from you, and we don't consult everyone else "affected" by that transaction, such as everyone else that wanted to sell me a car and everyone else that may have wanted to buy yours, then we denied them all "personal autonomy" and violated their (human) rights? Baloney.
Are we through with this nonsense?
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But our transaction will not materially affect these 'third parties' - nobody else* will have gained or lost anything, let alone personal autonomy, as a direct result of our transaction.
*not stricly true - the negative externalities associated with car usage (through atmospheric pollution and CO emission) most certainly does affect people.
That's exactly why I used this example: A third party is "affected" but does not have his rights violated.
The right to contract is the right to agree to actions that each party to the contract is at liberty to perform. The parties are not at liberty to violate a third party's rights, and the right to contract doesn't change that.
The right to contract, even an absolute right to contract, does not endow the parties to it with any extra liberties regarding third parties. That's just not what the word contract means.
Galteeth
I think some of this debate has to due with the nature of the consequence to the third party. The action that causes the consequence must be considered independent of the contract. However, not all consequences of an action are an active restriction of the liberty of the third party. Note the key word "active." I think even most die hard right wing libs would admit that say, dumping poison in a water supply is an aggressive act. The line then becomes murkier as you abstract the consequences more. For example, releasing chemicals into the air that are potentially harmful, but not enough so to kill someone in a short period of time. What a libertarian does not believe is an active violation of liberty is all possible consequences of action, which would render the principle of individual responsibility meaningless. For example, if one were to argue that by me giving money to person x, I created the consequence of person y dying because I did not give person y the money he needs for medicine, a libertarian would not find that an active restriction of person y's liberty.
For an action to be aggressive, it must cause active direct harm that is unavoidable by person being aggressed upon, meaning that in the absence of that action, direct harm (of the type caused by the action) does not come. Aggression is not indirect harm (harm caused through some chain of events as oppossed to a direct cause-effect relationship) nor is it harm that would not necessarily be removed by not doing the action.
The 'third parties' you mentioned are:
1)everyone else that wanted to sell you a car
2)everyone else that may have wanted to buy mine
In both cases, the parties are not affected by the transaction between myself and yourself. I use the word 'affected' in a very literal sense - namely being materially affected, ie. whether the person has gained or lost anything of value, perhaps capital, if you will.
The parties maybe kicking themselves for not going the extra mile to sell/buy the car, but beyond this, they haven't actually gained or lost anything of value.
The point is simply this: an unregulated free-market is not free at all - in such a system, entities that we call corporations essentially become externalising machines, transferring risk to others, not party to their transactions.
Galteeth said:
The action that causes the consequence must be considered independent of the contract.
However, not all consequences of an action are an active restriction of the liberty of the third party. Note the key word "active." I think even most die hard right wing libs would admit that say, dumping poison in a water supply is an aggressive act.
The line then becomes murkier as you abstract the consequences more. For example, releasing chemicals into the air that are potentially harmful, but not enough so to kill someone in a short period of time.
Not sure about this - the question is now one of degree. The company is still polluting the environment; their actions still have definite consequences that can actually be priced, and they have to be responsible for these consequences.
What a libertarian does not believe is an active violation of liberty is all possible consequences of action, which would render the principle of individual responsibility meaningless. For example, if one were to argue that by me giving money to person x, I created the consequence of person y dying because I did not give person y the money he needs for medicine, a libertarian would not find that an active restriction of person y's liberty.
See my post above. Person y has not gained or lost anything of value so the 'contract' between yourself and person x does not impinge on the rights of person y at all.
So any contract is always valid unless the contracting parties cause "active direct harm" to third parties?
I hope we agree that no contract should impinge on a third party's rights. I do think that you (like Al68) are defining these rights too narrowly.
A transaction that ignores the opinions and wishes of affected third parties does by definition violate their rights to personal autonomy. We could get a bit philosophical about this but suffice it to say, people deserve to, indeed have a right to, have a say on matters that directly affect them.
I use the word 'affected' in a very literal sense - namely being materially affected, ie. whether the person has gained or lost anything of value, perhaps capital, if you will.
If they gained or lost something directly in the transaction, then they are by definition not a third party.
You haven't even specified what actions you oppose, much less why. You claim a third party has risk "transferred" to them. That's simply not a description specific enough to have any logical meaning relevant to this issue.
Even if we disagree about what actions constitute a "violation of a third party's rights", that is what determines whether it's a wrongful action. Being part of a contract doesn't cause or prevent any action from being considered wrongful.
I do think that you (like Al68) are defining these rights too narrowly.
Huh? I haven't defined them at all. I used murder as an obvious example, not as a comprehensive list of possible violations.
A transaction that ignores the opinions and wishes of affected third parties does by definition violate their rights to personal autonomy.
Still making no sense. A person directly involved in a transaction is by definition not a third party to it.
Because that's logically coherent. It's not logically coherent to suggest that a contract itself, instead of the actions performed by the parties to it, violates the rights of a third party.
Sorry, this is literally a month overdue. A couple of comments:
You said it! So, going back to Galteeth's example, if a corporation pollutes the environment (a 'public good' that everyone shares), the general public are all directly involved in this 'transaction', no?
I have no problem with this if, by 'contract', you mean a piece of paper with inconsequential scribblings.
In legal parlance though, a contract is something that is legally enforceable. It is meaningless to talk about a contract which ignores and impinges on the rights of parties that are directly involved in the transaction because such a contract would necessarily be 'null and void' (in democracies, anyway).
Of course, I never said otherwise. And polluting the environment violates our rights regardless of any contract. That was my whole point: The right to contract doesn't give the parties to it any extra liberties it didn't already have. A contract between a paper mill and OfficeMax, for example, has no effect whatsoever on whether either of them has the right to pollute the environment or violate others' rights in any other way. Yes, they both have the right to contract. But a paper mill can't obtain a right to pollute from OfficeMax in a contract between them, because OfficeMax doesn't have that right to give.
And relevant to the point, a law prohibiting pollution does not violate anyone's right to contract. I'm against laws that violate the right to contract, I'm in favor of laws that prohibit the violation of people's rights.
In legal parlance though, a contract is something that is legally enforceable.
It's only legally enforceable against the parties to it. That's why there is no basis for denying the right to contract, because everyone who could ever be sued for contract default agreed to the contract.
No one else has any obligation. No one else is obligated to accept pollution or any other rights violations as a result of any contract.
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RenasontsMan
Since libertarianism is toward the right extreme of the political spectrum, while socialism is toward the left extreme, libertarian socialism would seem to be the equivalent of wet dryness, cold heat, and black white.
Adolf Hitler's party was the Social Democrats. You cannot have socialism without fascism.
Impossible. Witness North Korea, and of course that Democrat nirvana, Cuba.
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The leader worship characteristic of facism does seem to be present in totalitarian socialism cases, including:
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DavidSnider
I think it's a bit more like this:
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If you go back and read earlier parts of this conversation, you will understand what is being discussed. (Or what was originally being discussed)
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