Arsene Wenger spoke about the latest injuries to Arsenal's Theo Walcott and Kieran Gibbs following today's match.
The Gunners overcame West Bromwich Albion today thanks to a late Olivier Giroud looping header, but the three points was one of very few positive points to take from the game.
One negative would be the loss of Kieran Gibbs to injury, while it is also worth noting that both Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain were unable to play today due to slight injuries, at least that is what we have been told.
Wenger confirmed his thoughts after today's match, stating that he did not know how long the left-back would be out for, while insisting that Theo's injury was tiny.
He said: "It's a kick. I don't know how bad it is, but it's a kick on the knee.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed that Theo or the Ox (or both!) were unable to play after having overdone their Christmas celebrations, as there was no mention of any injury to either player previous to them missing the trip today. The Ox was not even mentioned after the match, which could mean he is guilty of partying a little too much.
The claim that Theo will return soon enough will be a big boost however, as he has been crucial in the system which accommodates Alexis Sanchez in the central role, which we have seen him flourishing in.
Chamberlain has been no slouch either however, and is currently second in the Arsenal assists charts in the league with four, and could well be an important squad player at this tough time of year.
Gibbs injury however means that Nacho Monreal has no rival for his spot, and that could be quite the negative as he has looked like he has been in need of a rest over the past month or so.
Does Alexis need Theo out wide to play centrally? Would the loss of Gibbs or the Ox be a problem?
This entry was posted in Arsenal Injury News, Arsenal News, Arsenal NewsNow and tagged Arsenal, Theo Walcott, Wenger on December 26, 2016 by GoonerP.
Sorry about the injuries. Wishing you guys speedy recovery.


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Mountain View's revamped Village at San Antonio Center will soon be a little more vegetarian friendly, with Southern California-based chain Veggie Grill slated to open its doors on Wednesday, April 30, at 11 a.m.
Veggie Grill does all-things vegetarian and vegan in a fast, casual setting. Think salads and bowls to faux-meat dishes like buffalo wings, a "chicken" avocado sandwich and baja "fish" tacos. (Anything in quotes is made from organic or non-GMO mixtures of soybeans, wheat and peas. Tempeh, soybeans and fermented rice culture, is another common meat replacement.) All is done 100 percent free of cholesterol with no high-fructose corn syrup or antibiotics.
"We're trying to redefine how people can talk about vegetarian food," said Greg Dollarhyde, Veggie Grill CEO (the company likes to refer to him as "chief energizing officer").
This means disguising all those soybean creations with sauces, marinades, salsas, fresh veggies and more.
"It's not just brown rice and tofu with stuff on top," Dollarhyde said. "They're complex items."
But Veggie Grill fare is meant to be accessible to all diners, not just vegetarians or vegans, he added.
The Veggie Grill concept was also "founded on the very simple idea that you should be able to get high-quality food in a faster environment that is really good for you," Dollarhyde said. Of more than 50 menu items, nothing costs more than $10.
The Mountain View outpost is one of 23 restaurants, with more on their way to the Bay Area this year (in Corte Madera, Walnut Creek and second San Jose location). The company was founded by three men who opened the first Veggie Grill at the University of California at Irvine in 2006.
Dollarhyde joined the team in 2011 and helped them raise a significant amount of funding to expand from six restaurants to the current 23. He said they're expecting to have 28 or 29 open by the end of 2014.
Veggie Grill is one of many eateries planned for the new center, with Counter Burger, Paul Martin's American Grill, Pacific Catch already open and Nektar Juice Bar and Sajj Mediterranean on their way.
View a full Veggie Grill menu here.
The first 50 diners at the April 30 opening will receive gift cards that can be redeemed for a free entree. The same offer will run on Saturday, May 3, and Sunday, May 4, for the first 25 people each day.
I saw the signage for it the other day. That's great news. I like the one in Santana Row.
Most veggie-only places are Chinese or Indian. Having Veggie Grill (American comfort) and Yum Leaf (Salvadorian) in Mountain View is a great step forward in mainstreaming plant-based whole food.
There's an all veggie place across from Whole Foods in that little shopping center that fits that bill. Inexpensive food, fresh, generous portions, good spices. Made to order. I got a veggie stir-fried curry veggie dish with no oil, low salt, over brown rice, for far less than $10.
It's not the French Laundry, but it doesn't need to be. It was better than some other more expensive places of similar flavor I've been to around town, no pun intended. The atmosphere inside is surprisingly open and nice, and they have a really clean, large bathroom which is always a good sign. Good, low-key, fast place for lunch, with a few surprising appetizers. We had some kind of spring roll with rice paper wrap that was unusually good.
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I would like to find the place you are referring to. Where is it EXACTLY and what is the name of it? Where is "that little shopping center" across from Whole Foods? Are you talking about the Whole Foods at Showers Drive in Los Altos? I still don't know where you mean because I never noticed a "little shopping center" across from Whole Foods. How "across"? Straight across? Diagonally in some direction or other? Can you or someone else be more specific please? Thank you! I'd love to find it if you could name it and describe where it is more specifically.
SCB94303: You beat me to the punch! veggie foodie, also wondering what the name of this place is - would love to check it out.
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There's a non-descript shopping center to the south of Showers, with some small businesses set back from the street. Just south of Gingko and that new dentist that used to be a wine store. Maybe more across from See's. There's a "Grand Opening" sign over the window.
I really fear for this restauranteur because of that hidden location, I hope they can make a go of it. I hope I haven't raised expectations too much - it's a very similar place to what's offered at Garden Fresh, only not as oily or salty as Garden Fresh. (At least, in my experience it's easier to get exactly what you want.) They did not have a GF menu, but I think the owner is considering it.
It's just a nice, clean place to have a decent, healthy veggie meal for a decent price. We don't have enough of those around here! Let me know what you think, but please give them feedback and another chance if things go wrong - I'd like to see this place succeed, just selfishly would like to see some options in this neighborhood! I can be as big a food snob as anyone else -- for years I have been critical of Greens, because for the price and press, I've never had a meal there that met expectations (usually bc the results were uneven and often boring), but I tend not to be too loud in my criticism because veggie foodies have such limited options! This place isn't Greens by any stretch, but it's also much more low-key and priced accordingly.
located at 2464 W El Camino Real Ste C, Mountain View, CA 94040. Tel. 650-961-6888.
I have not been there so I have no comments about the quality.
I go to Garden Fresh about once a week and have for years. They remodeled the place last year. I like it and like the food. The new Veggie Garden is nice too, but I like Garden Fresh better. Maybe it is just out of habit. Either way, you should give the new place a try.
With at least four veggie-only places and many veggie-friendly places, Mountain View is certainly leading the way.
Don't laugh, but when my mom and I saw the bathroom, we both decided we needed to return!
It's gotten to the point where I have been thinking of putting up a website just about public restrooms, with a hall of fame and a hall of shame... It would not be an exaggeration to say the Veggie Garden restroom was one of the nicest I have seen in a restaurant!
Hey, is Veggie Garden in Los Altos, Mtn Vw, or Palo Alto? I'm never sure over there.
Talking about restrooms in restaurants is something that should be done. Many restaurants with good reputations have very poor restrooms. It is not just a cleanliness matter, but often how long the units have been there and when they were last remodeled.
A different but similar issue as far as I am concerned is the silverware. Many restaurants have cheap quality silverware often tarnished and "taste" bad. Fork tines are often bent or crooked which makes the experience of putting them in the mouth a strange sensation. Spoons for soup often have similar problems.
One of the best parts of the eating experience at Ikea is the quality of their silverware. It is good quality (their own of course) and durable which makes the eating experience of the food the main thing while the silverware is purely functional.
I like that Veggie Garden's web site (link upthread by Jay Park) even shows San-J tamari in the condiment trays! I hope that reflects the reality in the restaurant, and if so, it reveals subtle classiness. Like Crepevine offering pure Canadian maple syrup in its condiment trays, instead of the caramel-colored, artificially-flavored sugar water most restaurants pass off as pancake syrups.
Sounds like lots of MSG will make most of the dishes inedible for those of us with MSG allergies.
I look forward to trying the Veggie Grill--exactly what is needed!
I am still waiting for a Greens type place to open in Palo Alto. Veggie restaurants shouldn't just be tiny places tucked away in malls, but lovely restaurants with good wine and a full bar. It's time!
Veggie Garden is very good, but is by no means inexpensive. Perhaps you can get a lunch for less than $10, but there's no way a previous poster's comment to be true: "I got a veggie stir-fried curry veggie dish with no oil, low salt, over brown rice, for far less than $10. "
Far less than $10? Please!!!!!
Good food, but much better values elsewhere.
My mom and I had lunch there, and we both had curry stir fries over brown rice, plus an appetizer we split between us, water, and tax and tip for less than $25, it may have been $21, I can't even remember now. Lunch is usually cheaper than dinner. We were both pleasantly surprised.
David Speakman above might wish to learn a little about glutamates. "MSG allergy" has been thoroughly discredited, yet people cling to what was always a myth. Glutamates are common natural food components, a normal flavor mechanism; claims of "no MSG" are usually fraudulent, because of the widespread natural occurrence (link below). Further, the body makes the same amino acid itself, it's necessary in cells. Anyone with literal "MSG allergy" would likely be dead, and no one claiming sensitivity to food glutamates has demonstrated it in a real (blind) clinical test. However, self-diagnosis of "MSG allergy" has obscured real, even life-threatening, sensitivities to genuine food allergens such as bean or seafood products common in some condiments.
Nathan Myhrvold famously summarized the scientific record: "What makes the case so puzzling is that extensive research has yet to identify a test subject who can reliably distinguish food with or without MSG in a double-blind study . . . That is true even for studies that have focused exclusively on people who claim to have MSG sensitivity. Alas, the bottom line is that science has found no health effects due to MSG consumption at the levels in which it is present in food."
And someone has done a study "proving" that sugar doesn't make kids hyper. Rather than dismissing all the empirical evidence to the contrary, I am willing to regard the study with a bit of skepticism. Some very large percentage of medical studies, over 50%? are proven wrong. Add to that an industry with an interest in a specific result, and it's not a great mix. The scientific record on syphilis was largely the result of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, published over 40 years, in which the lead scientist believed a great many things we now know to be the result of his and others' prejudice, not syphilis, such as that hardly any of the 400 men died of syphilis.
So, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying, I think the "record" is a bit less clear than you suggest.
Also, it's irrelevant. As far as I know, they do not add MSG to food at Veggie Garden, it's against their philosophy.
"Resident," PLEASE read up on the subject (for real) before you defend the "MSG allergy" mythos. It has been so thoroughly, relentlessly, discredited that the only people defending it are those who picked up pop misinformation, and prefer clinging to that rather than examining their notions. Some overviews of what is so badly wrong with the myth are in the specific sections of WP's glutamic acid entry, which I linked to. Everyone who self-diagnosed themselves as "MSG sensitive" and participated in the double-blind studies Myhrvold cited was individually and decisively proven wrong. No doubt, some of them still defend the myth against all evidence -- it's human nature. Whenever this subject surfaces online, people can be relied upon to come forward defending discredited MSG notions they picked up at some point.
Veggie Garden and other conscientious restaurants do not add MSG to foods because they don't need to. IT'S ALREADY PRESENT.* Commercial MSG is no more or less than a cheap substitute for better umami sources like soy sauces, bean sauces, and cheeses -- themselves natural sources of flavor enhancers INCLUDING the components of MSG. This is the general understanding of the matter today in both the food and health-science worlds.
* Present in the sense that matters: The body reacts not to MSG per se, but to its two components, sodium and l-glutamic acid, which have separate metabolic fates, and have already dissociated by the time any literal MSG is inside you. The identical two components also occur naturally in foods and seasonings -- my first link above has a table of natural concentrations. Both components are especially strong in soy sauces, like the tamari I mentioned earlier. Commercial MSG in fact is routinely made by a fermentation process related to soy sauce production.
I don't know what parts of this picture people don't "get," but the realities are clear and accessible to anyone not determined to deny them.
Getting back to the subject of this thread, how do you like the food? I liked Veggie Garden, thought it was a good value, and hope they do well. It was also a nice quiet place to sit and talk over a meal. I am looking forward to Veggie Grill, too, as the type of food will be different. It's so great to have options for fresh, good vegetarian food!
"I got a veggie stir-fried curry veggie dish with no oil, low salt, over brown rice, for far less than $10. "
"My mom and I had lunch there, and we both had curry stir fries over brown rice, plus an appetizer we split between us, water, and tax and tip for less than $25, it may have been $21"
Well, was it $25? Or was it $21? If you divide the numbers by two (there were two of you, remember?) then that means your per-person bill was between $10.50 - 12.50. So, when you say that you ate for "far less than $10", that is a lie, isn't it???
"far less than $10", that is a lie, isn't it???" .... and the jury gasped. The first post referred only to the price of the entree. Lol at David V's instructions too.
Isn't Asian Box also in San Antonio Center? Another place with veggie-only options.
" "far less than $10", that is a lie, isn't it???" .... and the jury gasped. The first post referred only to the price of the entree."
Oh, so the story changes again... OK. The "entree" is one of the lunch specials for $7.95. Add tax + tip and that's $10.33. How is that "far less than $10"???
Do you not understand what "far less than" means to most people?
Why not just say..you can get lunch there for $10? Why have to lie?
I have no affiliation with Veggie Garden, and have only eaten there once. The first time I reported briefly on my own meal and what I figured it cost. The second time, I gave more information about the whole meal. There is no big conspiracy to lie to you foodie.
>"I got a veggie stir-fried curry veggie dish with no oil, low salt, over brown rice, for far less than $10."
>"My mom and I had lunch there, and we both had curry stir fries over brown rice, plus an appetizer we split between us, water, and tax and tip for less than $25, it may have been $21, I can't even remember now. "
When I eat out for lunch, I typically tip a minimum of $3 if I'm by myself or $5 if I'm with 2 people, no matter what the tab comes to, because I figure the waiter is working just as hard to serve me my lunch as he or she would at dinnertime.
I remember being pleasantly surprised at how inexpensive the meal was. You may be able to fault my memory (something I think I also made mention of), but that's a pretty extreme overreaction to start calling me or anyone else a liar.
veggie foodie...it just seems that you are grossly exaggerating and then defending your statements. Maybe it is an accidental lie, but a lie nonetheless.
The only dishonesty going on here is your very strange need to distort and manipuate what I said. I never said "eating there for far less than $10", I reported getting that one dish for far less than $10, which I did.
" I got a veggie stir-fried curry veggie dish with no oil, low salt, over brown rice, for far less than $10. "
How far less than $10? The cheapest is at lunch and that is $7.95... How is $7.95 "far less than $10"?????
And then you paid tax and tip, which would bring it up to at least $10 if not $12-13. Again, how is $13 "far less than $10"?
This is ridiculous. I think Foodie is trolling. No? If not, then it's just getting pathetic hammering this point on and on. Move on. Go eat a steak. I had one at Sizzler (before it closed) for far less than $20.
I\'m really looking firward to the new Veggie Grill location. I frequent Calafia when I want upscale veg fare, but something quick and easy with vegan salads is a welcome addition to the area.
I have a fundamental mistrust of Veggie Garden, as it is my understanding that the owner was unscrupulous and took all the recipies from Garden Fresh. Alice and Robert of Garden Fresh took years to develop their menu. Veggie Garden\'s owner used to work in their kitchen, and his dishes are shockingly similar to Garden Fresh.
For unique Asian veg food, try out Da Scheshuan (so?) on El Camino at Curtner in Palo Alto. They have a two-page completely veg menu, with dozens of mock meat dishes. Susan the owner is happy to make customizations to dishes as well.
I know a lot of people like Garden Fresh, I have friends who eat there regularly, but I've always found the food too salty, and I've never been a fan of mock meat dishes. You're right, they do seem like very similar menus, but it's the similarities I'm actually not fond of. The appetizer we had wasn't something I ever remember having anything like at Garden Fresh.
That said, I think there is probably room for both. I'll be really honest that if Lyfe Kitchen opened up over here, I probably wouldn't frequent either, I'd be at Lyfe Kitchen once a week.
Yum yum yum. Some days meatless, some days meat. Everything in moderation so you can enjoy life's full pallet of colors. I can't fathom the thought that I would limit myself to only hues of blue, or going orange-less at sunset.


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For decades, Arnold and Mary Richards collected monthly royalty checks — most recently from $1,000 to $1,500 — for the natural gas sucked up from beneath their West Virginia farm by small, old wells.
So in 2016, when EQT Corp. drilled six new gas wells, the Ritchie County couple expected to see their royalty payments skyrocket. The much-larger wells would collect far more natural gas from the Marcellus Shale formation, which is fueling the boom in the state's gas industry.
The Richards' checks did grow considerably. But the couple also saw something they didn't expect: EQT was cutting the size of those new checks.
EQT began deducting for what it said was the cost of transporting the gas, for processing the gas and even for state taxes. All told, since November 2016, the Richardses calculated they were missing about $235,000 in royalties.
The Richardses had looked closely at their lease agreements. The agreements stated that EQT would give them 12.5 percent of the revenue generated from the wells. They didn't say anything about allowing deductions. So the Richardses went to court, filing a federal suit against the company in February 2017.
"I only want the royalty that is due us, according to our lease," Mary Richards told a jury in Clarksburg this September.
Arnold and Mary Richards are the latest among thousands of West Virginians who have watched the state's natural gas producers whittle away at royalties promised to them, according to a review of court records by the Charleston Gazette-Mail and ProPublica.
Sometimes, the companies deduct a variety of "post-production" costs from gas proceeds, as appears to have happened in the Richards' case. Other times, they've avoided paying full royalties by creating shell companies that, at least on paper, buy the gas at reduced prices. These practices have gone on for decades.
While the state Legislature and courts have both tried to ensure that residents are getting their fair share, gas companies have simply shifted their tactics.
Twenty years later, residents filed a series of suits alleging they were still being shortchanged. The lawsuits prompted a series of settlements and a $400 million verdict in 2007.
Yet residents say these practices haven't ended. A class-action lawsuit, filed in 2013 on behalf of more than 10,000 individuals and companies that own gas, is set to go to trial in two weeks. It alleges that EQT — the state's second-largest producer — continues to take improper deductions from royalties.
"It's still going on, and they're finding ways to disguise it," said Scott Windom, a Harrisville lawyer who represented the Richardses and who often represents gas owners in fights with producers.
EQT, as well as other gas companies and industry trade groups, maintain that they've done nothing wrong, and that royalty payments are fair and based on lease language or state law.
Deduction of post-production costs from gas royalty payments is a method that has "long been used in West Virginia and other states," lawyers for EQT argue in the ongoing class-action case. They made similar arguments in the Richards' case.
West Virginia's natural gas industry has flourished, with production roughly tripling in the past five years. State leaders portray the industry as the heart of a strong future economy, perhaps to replace the declining coal business.
But there are growing indications that natural gas is taking West Virginia down the same path as coal, including a long and continuing battle over how the profits are divvied up among residents and out-of-state companies that are extracting natural resources from the land. And EQT is now suing to gut the 1982 royalty law that was meant to give gas owners a larger piece of the industry pie.
Joshua Fershee, a West Virginia University energy law professor, said the number of royalty disputes has increased as the industry has grown, and they are likely to continue as gas production keeps expanding.
"These issues will keep playing out," Fershee said.
After deliberating for just a few hours, the jury ordered EQT to repay the Richardses the $192,000 in post-production costs that had been deducted from their royalty payments. U.S. District Judge Irene Keeley had already ordered the company to pay them nearly $43,000 in taxes that had been deducted, for a total of $235,000.
An EQT spokeswoman declined to comment on the verdict in the Richards' case, on whether the company plans to appeal or on the class-action case that's headed for trial.
Sixty-seven years ago, Arnold and Mary Richards got married. They were both about 18 years old. A few years later, in 1954, they bought their farm, on Rock Camp Run outside Harrisville.
As part of the deal, the Richardses acquired the rights to about half of the natural gas under the farm. In those days, gas wasn't in high demand. There were wells on the Richards' land, but they were small and only drilled vertically.
The ownership of land and mineral rights in West Virginia is complex and confusing, even for many who live in the state.
Someone may own the surface land, while someone else owns the coal, oil or gas underneath. Sometimes, as in the Richards' situation, people own both the surface and the gas below. Much of the natural gas in West Virginia is produced under lease agreements, in which an owner or owners of the gas lease it to a production company. Many leases are decades, or sometimes more than a century, old. In the early 1900s, natural gas leases that paid $100 to $300 a year were considered reasonable, maybe even generous. Back then, most drillers were after oil, and natural gas was mostly an undesirable byproduct.
As the market for gas increased, in manufacturing, home heating and electricity, the industry has grown. Newer leases pay a share of the revenue generated, so gas owners make more money as production increases. Leasing practices also have changed so that many leases have set terms, often five years, rather than being open-ended.
For more than 40 years, Arnold Richards drove an hour each way daily from Ritchie County to DuPont's plant near Parkersburg, where he worked as a millwright. The couple also worked their farm, and when they had the chance and had some money saved up, they bought more of the gas reserves under the farm.
Then, in 2014, the Richardses seemed to get good news. EQT bought the gas leases to their land. By then, companies were using advanced hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling to capture larger and larger amounts of gas. EQT wanted to do that at the Richards' farm.
To do so, the company wanted to change the lease, to allow it to "pool" the gas reserves, drilling into the Richards' gas from an adjacent piece of property. The couple went along with it, agreeing to a new "pooling clause" in their lease, but not to any other changes. The new wells were drilled in 2016.
But when the first check arrived, Arnold Richards noticed that EQT had taken out production costs. He called the company to ask what was going on.
The company has paid the Richardses $935,000 in royalty payments, but it would have been more than a million dollars without the deductions. The company "didn't give us any satisfaction," Mary Richards said later in court.
So the couple went to see Rod and Scott Windom, a father-son legal team in nearby Harrisville, the county seat. The Windoms filed a lawsuit for the couple in February 2017.
The Richards' lawsuit wasn't the first against EQT or other producers over royalties, and it wouldn't be the last.
Perhaps the most significant challenge to West Virginia natural gas leasing practices came about a decade ago when a teacher couldn't decipher the accounting statements on the stubs the gas company sent him.
Garrison Tawney grew up in Roane County and went to Marshall University, in Huntington. Around 1940, he came back home to teach school and tend the family farm near Looneyville. He retired from the school system in 1976, but kept working his hay and cattle.
Tawney's wife, Freda Vineyard Tawney, owned natural gas reserves she had inherited from her family. In 1989, the Tawneys leased those gas reserves to Columbia Natural Resources. Their new leases paid them 12.5 percent of the sales.
But to Garrison Tawney, the numbers never seemed to add up. Eventually, he turned to a local lawyer. Tawney and his lawyer started investigating and eventually sued when they discovered Columbia was taking various deductions from the gas revenue before it calculated royalties.
Company lawyers tried to explain away the move. They pointed to Federal Energy Regulatory Commission orders aimed at deregulating the pipeline industry. Previously, gas had been sold by the producer at the physical "wellhead" to the pipeline company. Under the new FERC-ordered system, it was routinely sold at a remote point of sale following processing and transportation.
Tawney died at age 90, about two years before the three-week trial in Roane County Circuit Court in January 2007, but he had told his story under oath in a deposition, part of which was read to the jury.
By then, the lawsuit was a class-action on behalf of 10,000 gas owners, and jurors came back with a $400 million verdict for Tawney and the other gas owners. Most of the money — about $271 million — was to punish the companies involved. Sharing the liability were NiSource, which had, at one point, owned Columbia Gas, and Chesapeake Energy, which later bought Columbia.
The verdict set off a firestorm of protest from the gas industry.
Chesapeake and NiSource tried to appeal the verdict, especially the punitive damages portion. The state Supreme Court turned them down in May 2008.
In October 2008, Chesapeake and NiSource dropped an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court and settled the case for $380 million.
In the three years after the Tawney verdict, at least three other class-action cases against gas producers in West Virginia were settled for a total of more than $80 million on behalf of some 35,000 gas owners.
That included about a $30 million settlement by Equitable — as EQT was then known — with about 10,000 class members who had gas leases with the company.
Despite the predicted doom from industry leaders, natural gas activity in West Virginia skyrocketed in the decade after the Tawney case. Today, Southwestern Energy, which, in 2014, bought Chesapeake's West Virginia operations, is the third-largest producer in the state.
After years of litigation, some residents — and even landowners and their lawyers with years of experience in gas issues — contend they still aren't sure what's being deducted from their royalty checks.
In January 2014, U.S. District Judge Joseph R. Goodwin told EQT that its leases with W.W. McDonald Land Co. did not allow it to deduct expenses like "meals and entertainment," "uniforms," "meter operation and repair" and "personal property taxes" from the payments it made to the company, which had sued EQT.
"I find that meals and entertainment, uniforms, meter operations and repair, and personal property taxes are not costs of compression, desulphurization, or transportation," the judge wrote.
The McDonald Land case was notable in another way. It alleged that, after legal challenges to the practice of deducting post-production costs from royalty payments, EQT reorganized its operations in an effort to keep pocketing those deductions for itself.
Between 2000 and 2005, EQT produced gas owned by W.W. McDonald and transported it to an interstate pipeline, where it was marketed to third parties. EQT paid the costs of transporting and marketing the gas, and passed on some of those costs to W.W. McDonald.
Then, in January 2005, EQT reorganized. It formed separate entities, including EQT Gathering Inc. and EQT Energy. A different EQT arm, EQT Production, was the one that had the McDonald leases and was producing its gas.
In 2005, EQT Production starting selling the gas to its own sister company, EQT Energy. EQT Energy, after contracting with yet another spinoff to collect and transport the gas, would then sell it to a third party at a higher price than the company originally paid.
EQT Production argued in court that once it started that arrangement, it was no longer improperly deducting transportation costs when it paid McDonald Land's royalties.
Lawyers for McDonald Land, though, responded that the result of the complex setup was "exactly the same": EQT could keep paying less in royalties.
Goodwin concluded that EQT's new system — the company calls it a "work-back methodology" — wasn't allowed in West Virginia.
EQT and McDonald Land reached a confidential settlement in August 2015, but, by then, a new class-action lawsuit had been filed against EQT, alleging the company hadn't ended the practice. That case, in U.S. District Court in Wheeling, involves roughly 8,000 leases and 10,000 class members, court records show.
EQT lawyers argue the company's royalty payment methods "are not a sham," and they urged that the class-action case be thrown out.
While a final decision has not been issued in the case, U.S. District Judge John Preston Bailey has already ruled that, as a matter of law, various EQT subsidiaries are the parent company's "alter ego" and can't be used to help reduce royalty payments to gas owners. The lead named plaintiff is the Kay Co., a small landowning firm named for its founder, James Kay, a well-known coal executive who was president of Royal Coal and Coke Co. The trial is slated to start on Nov. 27.
Despite the flurry of settlements it triggered, the Tawney case didn't end the practice of companies taking post-production deductions from royalty checks. EQT continued taking such deductions from some of its leases, arguing that the 1982 law meant to benefit landowners actually allowed the company to pay them less.
That position got them sued again, by Patrick and Katherine Leggett, owners of natural gas reserves in Doddridge County.
In that case, the state Supreme Court ruled in November 2016 that the company couldn't take such deductions. But then, a new justice, Beth Walker, took office and voted to rehear the case. In a decision made controversial by investments Walker's husband had had in the natural gas industry, the court, in May 2017, reversed itself and decided in EQT's favor. What that meant was that, for flat-fee leases and wells drilled after 1982, post-production expenses could be deducted from the royalty payments.
But the Supreme Court also urged lawmakers to consider the impacts of the ruling, with one justice urging the Legislature to rewrite "outdated statutory language" to address "significant changes" in the gas industry.
When lawmakers came to Charleston for their annual legislative session in January 2018, they heeded the court's call, taking up a bill to overturn the second ruling in the Leggetts' case and banning post-production deductions for gas owners with leases since 1982.
No one from the gas industry spoke up publicly during two committee hearings, so the measure moved quickly, passing the Senate unanimously and the House by a vote of 96-2.
Gov. Jim Justice signed the bill and it took effect on May 31. EQT is now suing the state in federal court, challenging this year's legislation and the entire 1982 royalties law.
The bill didn't stop gas companies from taking deductions from the royalty payments made to people like Arnold and Mary Richards, whose leases already required a 12.5 percent payment.
That brought them four months later to the federal building in Clarksburg in mid-September for a trial — the first time either of them had been in federal court, except for once years ago when Mary was a juror in a federal case.
During the trial, EQT lawyer David Hendrickson explained that EQT Production sold the Richards' gas to a sister company. The sister company paid them the price of the gas, minus transportation costs, and that final price was what ETQ Production based the couple's royalties on. Hendrickson said that's not the same as EQT Production taking deductions.
"We're paying the fair market value of what we received for the gas," Hendrickson said.
Both Arnold and Mary Richards testified, briefly, telling jurors the story of their farm, their gas leases and how they were shocked to suddenly have EQT taking deductions from their royalty checks.
The Richardses are in their 80s now. They have adult children, grandchildren and some great-grandchildren. By the time the case reached trial, it was purely a contracts case. They weren't seeking some huge, multimillion-dollar punitive damage award. They just wanted the royalties they thought were coming to them.
Before the verdict in the Richards' favor, Scott Windom told jurors in his closing argument that Hendrickson was asking them to take his word that the payments are fair, and not to look too closely at EQT's new system.


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Even a little independence is a great feeling
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If you have mobility problems, getting out and about is extremely difficult. And doing so without the constant presence of a helper, assistant, or caregiver is something that is next to impossible.
As multiple sclerosis affects my left side, I cannot propel myself in a manual wheelchair. So, forget any thoughts of independence. It's just out of the question.
But earlier this week, I managed to visit both the health centre, and a bank, in our nearest town. Alone.
This is my wheelchair.
It was all thanks to my lightweight, foldable electric wheelchair. It is so compact, when folded, that it goes in the back of our car. The only trouble is that, although lightweight, because of my disability, it's still beyond my ability to lift by myself.
So on Tuesday, after I drove the five miles to town, Lisa lifted the chair out of the car and I was quickly on my way to see the nurse. Encountering just a short delay from my appointment time, I practiced my very basic Spanish language skills, and was soon on the second leg of my journey.
Worry-free independence
It's a fairly long but straight road from the health centre to the bank, although it is uphill and has several side roads. I negotiated all the dropped kerbs successfully, and it really felt good to be able to do all of it by myself.
In the meantime, Lisa was doing a bit of shopping without having to worry about me.
We met back at our car, as arranged. Lisa was there first and suggested we visit a nearby snack bar for a pastry and orange juice.
Finally, we returned to the car where we jointly lifted the folded chair back into the car, before I drove home.
It wasn't a great feat, and was nothing to shout about, but doing it by myself made me feel good.
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Barmer is a district located in Rajasthan state of India. There are total 8 blocks which comes under Barmer district, and there are total 2460 villages and 2 town areas which comes under this district.
As per Indian government records district code of Barmer district is 115 and number of houses in this district is 421165.
As per Census 2011, total population of this district is 2433030. Out of total 2433030, male population count is 1279520, where as female population count is 1153510 in Barmer.
According to the Indian Government population count of year 2011, this district has total 476946 children are in the age group of 0-6 years. In these 476946 children 250387 are boys and 226559 are girl child.
Literacy rate of Barmer district is 44%. 1074068 out of total 2433030 population is literate in this district.
Going in details, Male literacy rate in this district is 55% and 715601 males are literate out of total 1279520 male population, where as female literacy rate is 68% and 358467 out of total 1153510 females are literate in this district.
Coming to dark side, illiteracy rate of Barmer district is 55%. 1358962 out of total 2433030 population is illiterate in this village. In details, Male illiteracy rate in this district is 44% and 563919 males are illiterate out of total 1279520 male population, where as female illiteracy rate is 68% and 795043 out of total 1153510 females are illiterate in this district.
Total working population of Barmer district is 1151416 and non-working population is 1281614 and out of 1151416 working population 459296 peoples are totally dependent on agriculture.
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I remember seeing authentic as a hashtag on someones post a while ago and thinking that it was a strange thing to hashtag. I take back my thoughts on that, because the word keeps gaining more and more meaning to me. Maybe it's because this time in my life is one of growth. After all, that's what most of your twenties are. So, as I'm growing and changing and strengthening parts of me I'm trying to get down to one thing: Who I really am.
The authentic Anna Katherine Oates.
It's hard to say that we weren't authentic at one point, because we've always been who we are, at least, we were in that moment. The thing is though, we get influenced so much growing into adulthood. I've talked about how I think most childhood traits are actually a big part of who you are and will be as a person. We change a lot as we leave childhood, but our personality really just develops off those traits like building blocks. But aside from key personality traits, we change a lot in those tricky years of middle school, high school, and even college.
Some of those changes are self-induced. But a lot of them are because of friends, pop culture, and simply trying to be relevant in a stage of life where we don't seem to hold onto value easily. We change the way we dress, we change our groups of friends, we cut and dye our hair, we try some things that maybe we shouldn't. We stray, partly because everyone is straying, but mostly because we want to be more.
We haven't always been honest about who we are, and in those stages, we're mostly lying to ourselves. It's part of growing up. We shouldn't dismiss our strange stages. They've helped us develop into who we are today- but that's the question, who are you today?
When I first picked this one up I decided that I probably wouldn't review it, then as I started reading I decided I should post it with some stupid disclaimer about how I "don't usually read self-help books." But now that I've finished it, I feel like I should state: If this is what self -help or self-improvement books are all like, then I should read one a week.
Graduation is hard on friendships. It's hard because the ones you have scatter, and finding new ones is a lot more complicated then it was. We've been in school all our lives. We've always had pools of similarly-aged people to form relationships with. It's honestly amazing when you think about it.
Now you can meet people at work in the same way. You can become great friends with co-workers. But they aren't always in the same walk of life as you, and while that doesn't mean you won't be close, it does mean that you might need to find those people who are elsewhere.
Life has been a little crazy lately- not that I really expected anything different. Graduating college and being thrown into the real world can jolt anyone. It feels like I've been out longer than a month and a half. I can't tell if that's because it has been so good or so stressful, because as it turns out, stress and goodness can come at once.
I'm not exactly working a full time job, and by that, I mean I'm not. I'm currently working two part time jobs. One of these is in the field I want to be in (social media and PR- go figure) and I'm really loving the opportunity and I feel so blessed to have been offered it. There also might be a possibility of a full time job coming out of one of these part times, which would be a dream.
I was featured on Young & Twenty and was told I could share the post on my own personal blog! The link to it is here if you want to see the rest of the collection.
I'm turning 22 next week.
I just graduated from college. I'm jobless – and to be honest – really unsure of where I'm going to end up.
I read just about every advice blog post put in front of me, and just about all of them are trying to tell me to drop everything and go on some life changing adventure.
It's amazing how one facebook message can launch you into a friendship that's been dormant for seven years. We play the "I'm just going to stop texting people and see who reaches out to me" and pretend like it tells us who is really in our lives for good. It doesn't. It tells you who's busy, or it tells you who is waiting on you to text first to see if you care. Stop being a child. Reach out.
If you aren't educated in a topic it's okay to say that. Don't try to keep up the fight just because you have an opinion.
My body shape doesn't actually matter that much- how far I can run when the dog takes off and how I sleep at night do. Health and image aren't the same.
We're young, things don't work out. That doesn't mean that we're doing anything wrong. Sometimes you have to go on a few dates before you realize what you're looking for. Sometimes you can just go out to dinner with a guy just to see. It's okay, the next boy you date doesn't have to be your future husband.
Taking much needed down time and being lazy are two very different things. When you get older you start to realize you've been lying about your days "off". Don't you have something you've wanted to do but "hadn't have the time to do"?
Dream big, reach for the stars, but keep in mind that you should also have plans for the time in between dreams, the steps to get there. Transitions should be enjoyed also. A lot of life is spent in transition anyways.
I look fine when I smile with my teeth, no matter what I've spent my life telling myself. And if someone gets a bad picture of me smiling with my teeth? That's okay too, people on facebook have seen me in person, the people on here and tumblr who haven't? They don't actually care if I put out one bad picture for every 20 glossy ones. It's how I look. Not flawless like Beyonce but damn good looking anyways.
Study the masters. Of anything that you want. Learn everything you can from everything. You never should aim to "finish" your studies.
Buy it in Print. Cook books, magazines, novels. Drip on the cookbook pages, rip out magazine articles, write in margins of novels. You'll retain more. You'll love it and won't "click away".
Indulge. They're only guilty pleasures if you feel bad about them- which you shouldn't.
I spent years not speaking of my accomplishments because I didn't want to brag. I thought the line was too thin to walk, but it isn't. Show your skills or knowledge when on the correct topic for it and only mention it a few times through out the year. People can know you're great at something without you being annoying about it.
Don't wait- Don't put your life on hold. Things can be moved to the back burner, but you should never just be sitting around waiting for a call from him or that call from that dream job you applied to two months ago and never heard from.
Dance alone, in public. Embarrass yourself every now and then. It's how you have fun and learn that you shouldn't be embarrassed by that anyways.
Spend time with toddlers and puppies, you'll understand why when you want to rip you hair out, then again when you see the beauty in it all. It's something everyone should learn.
Thank them. Do it again. And again. Never forget to say I love you. Never let someone think they aren't important to you.


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Supporters, Opponents Sound Off On Proposed Benefits Of East Quogue Golf Course Development
> Southampton Town Planning Board Races Against The Clock To Approve East Quogue Golf Course Preliminary Applications Oct 29, 2019 3:59 PM
> Southampton Planning Board Extends Deadline For East Quogue Golf Course Resort Subdivision Application Oct 1, 2019 4:41 PM
> Southampton Planning Board Hears Public Comments On Golf Course Resort Subdivision Application In East Quogue Aug 13, 2019 2:24 PM
> East Quogue Village Incorporation May Have Wide Effect On Golf Course Proposal Jul 23, 2019 3:17 PM
> Boards Continue To Review Proposed Golf Course Resort In East Quogue Jul 23, 2019 1:48 PM
> Southampton Town Planning Board Deems Discovery Land Golf Course Application Complete Jun 28, 2019 3:44 PM
> Southampton Planning Board To Decide If Additional Environmental Review Is Needed For East Quogue Golf Course Resort Jun 19, 2019 12:07 PM
> Discovery Land's Representative Respond To Planning Board's Request For Additional Information Jun 12, 2019 11:06 AM
> Tensions Run High At Central Pine Barrens Commission Meeting On Wednesday Over East Quogue Golf Course Development Apr 17, 2019 11:01 AM
> Southampton Town Planning Board Seeks Answers From Developer Behind East Quogue Golf Proposal Apr 17, 2019 11:01 AM
> Local Environmentalist Calls On Supervisor To Recuse Himself From Pine Barrens Commission Apr 3, 2019 4:22 PM
> Pine Barrens Commission Meeting Draws Large Crowd To Urge Board To Review East Quogue Golf Course Proposal Mar 26, 2019 4:09 PM
> East End Environmental Groups Call On Pine Barrens Commission To Review East Quogue Golf Course Proposal Mar 19, 2019 3:57 PM
> Planning Board Pushes Off Decision On Whether Additional Environmental Study Is Needed For East Quogue Golf Course Resort Mar 19, 2019 1:24 PM
> Southampton Town Planning Board Seeks More Information From Hills Developer Before Deciding On Environmental Study Mar 4, 2019 9:45 AM
> Schneiderman Says Southampton ZBA May Be Too Lenient Jan 30, 2019 11:18 AM
> Schneiderman Sees Room For Improvement In Southampton Town ZBA Procedures Jan 30, 2019 11:11 AM
> Southampton Town Planning Board Hires Consultant To Review Environmental Study For Golf Course Jan 30, 2019 10:30 AM
> Southampton Planning Board Anticipates Hiring Consultant To Review East Quogue Golf Resort By Month's End Jan 16, 2019 9:00 AM
> Group For The East End President Calls On Town Board To Hold Work Session To Revise ZBA Policy Jan 12, 2019 7:28 AM
> Southampton Town Planning Board Searches For A Consultant On East Quogue Golf Proposal Dec 31, 2018 2:20 PM
> East End Nonprofits Move Forward With Lawsuit Against Southampton Town ZBA Over East Quogue Golf Course Decision Dec 21, 2018 6:41 AM
> Southampton Town Planning Board Says it Needs More Time To Review East Quogue Golf Course Dec 18, 2018 11:04 AM
> Southampton ZBA Interpretation Of Town Code Raises Concerns Among State And Town Officials Dec 17, 2018 12:52 PM
> Southampton Town ZBA Chair, Attorney Stand Behind Policy Despite State Official's Criticism Dec 17, 2018 11:48 AM
> Pine Barrens Society May File Lawsuit Against Southampton Town ZBA By Week's End Over Golf Course Decision Dec 11, 2018 1:43 PM
> UPDATE: Opponents Raise Concerns Over Southampton ZBA's Decision To Approve East Quogue Golf Course As Recreational Amenity Nov 25, 2018 12:01 PM
> Southampton Town ZBA Approves Golf Course In East Quogue As Residential Amenity For 118-Unit Subdivision Nov 20, 2018 10:25 AM
> Concerns Intensify As Southampton ZBA Readies To Make Decision On East Quogue Golf Course Nov 15, 2018 1:53 PM
> ZBA Ready To Decide On East Quogue Golf Course Oct 16, 2018 1:54 PM
> Decision Expected Soon On Proposed 18-Hole Golf Course In East Quogue Sep 10, 2018 3:05 PM
> Southampton ZBA To Make Decision On Golf Course In East Quogue Jul 10, 2018 1:10 PM
> Planning Board Seeks Recommendation From Chief Building Inspector On Golf Course In East Quogue--Despite Public Comments Supporting It May 30, 2018 11:07 AM
> East Quogue Residents Push To Incorporate Following Rejection Of The Hills May 2, 2018 12:53 PM
> 'The Hills' Developer Files $100 Million Lawsuit Against Southampton Town For Rejecting PDD Apr 18, 2018 10:46 AM
> Opponents Question Legality Of Golf Course Proposed For East Quogue Community Mar 28, 2018 12:10 PM
> Community Divided On New East Quogue Golf Course Proposal Feb 28, 2018 12:02 PM
> Public Hearing Next Week Begins New Phase For Proposed Golf Course Development In East Quogue Feb 14, 2018 11:27 AM
> Public Hearing Set For Discovery Land Subdivision In East Quogue Jan 17, 2018 10:28 AM
> Southampton Town Board Strikes Down The Hills PDD Dec 6, 2017 11:39 AM
> UPDATE: Southampton Town Board Votes Down The Hills Proposal Tuesday Dec 5, 2017 4:51 PM
> Southampton Town's Conservation Board Says The Hills Project May Hurt The Environment Nov 28, 2017 5:55 PM
> Discovery Land May Have Other Paths To Golf Course In East Quogue; Supervisor Pitches Public Access Nov 20, 2017 2:19 PM
> Developer Files Pre-Application For 137-Unit Subdivision In East Quogue, Backup Plan To 'Hills' Nov 15, 2017 10:31 AM
> Southampton Town Board Pushes Votes On The Hills Findings Statement And PDD To December Nov 14, 2017 3:21 PM
> Suffolk County Planning Commission Approves The Hills Golf Course Resort In East Quogue Nov 8, 2017 9:53 AM
> Dr. Gobler Includes Fertigation In Updated Environmental Report On 'The Hills' Nov 3, 2017 9:22 AM
> Southampton Town Postpones Hearing On The Hills Oct 18, 2017 11:39 AM
> UPDATE: Public Hearing On 'The Hills' Postponed To November 13 Oct 17, 2017 2:13 PM
> 'The Hills' PDD Vote Could Happen Just Before Election Day--If County Panel Moves Quickly Oct 10, 2017 6:20 PM
> Lofstad, Bouvier Reject Findings Statement On 'The Hills' Project Tuesday Sep 27, 2017 11:56 AM
> Southampton Town Board Expected To Vote On Findings Statement For 'The Hills' Next Week Sep 20, 2017 1:17 PM
> UPDATE: Southampton Town Board Signs Off Thursday On Environmental Study For 'The Hills' Sep 15, 2017 9:53 AM
> Southampton Town Board Busy Reviewing Documents On 'The Hills' As Votes Approach Sep 6, 2017 11:06 AM
> Scaffolding Outside 'The Hills' Information Center In East Quogue Vandalized Monday Night Aug 30, 2017 12:07 PM
> UPDATE: PDD Would Have Less Nitrogen Impact, According To Gobler's Latest Environmental Report On 'The Hills' Aug 28, 2017 12:48 PM
> Supporters Of The Hills Turn Out In Force At Southampton Town Board Meeting Tuesday Aug 24, 2017 9:32 AM
> Southampton Supervisor Candidate Ray Overton Supports 'The Hills At Southampton' Application Aug 22, 2017 2:21 PM
> Discovery Land Says Additional Preservation Would Tip Nitrogen Scale In Its Favor; Gobler Still Reviewing Report Jul 11, 2017 5:43 PM
> Discovery Land Files 'The Hills' FEIS With Town; Developer Wants To Buy And Preserve Another 33 Acres Jul 5, 2017 2:41 PM
> Discovery Land Says It Can Use Pine Barrens Credits To Increase Density If PDD Is Rejected May 24, 2017 1:39 PM
> 'The Hills' Developer Selects Wastewater Treatment System May 24, 2017 1:30 PM
> Discovery Land Hopes To File Final Environmental Impact Statement By Memorial Day May 10, 2017 10:06 AM
> Dr. Chris Gobler Shares Opinion, Concerns Over 'The Hills' Proposal Apr 27, 2017 10:53 AM
> Locals Hike Through 'The Hills' Property Sunday Mar 29, 2017 11:43 AM
> Southampton Town Supervisor Will Seek More Environmental Concessions For 'The Hills' Mar 28, 2017 5:09 PM
> 'The Hills' Debate Continues At Final Public Hearing On Environmental Impact Study Mar 9, 2017 10:46 AM
> 'The Hills' Public Comment Period Extended Mar 6, 2017 1:37 PM
> McAllister Offers Opinion On Hills Proposal, Says PDD Plan Would Have Less Impact On Environment Feb 15, 2017 10:57 AM
> Final Public Hearing On Environmental Study Focusing On 'The Hills' Scheduled For February 7 Jan 31, 2017 3:22 PM
> Dr. Gobler Says Luxury Golf Course Resort Would Leave Larger Nitrogen Footprint Than Subdivision Jan 12, 2017 11:55 AM
> Civics Schedule 'Citizens Public Hearing' For Saturday On East Quogue Golf Resort Application Jan 3, 2017 1:41 PM
> Discovery Land Establishes Presence On East Quogue's Main Street Dec 21, 2016 11:39 AM
> Second Hearing On 'Hills' Application Gets Rowdy Dec 7, 2016 10:48 AM
> Hills Opponents Offer Alternative Plan For East Quogue Property Dec 6, 2016 3:58 PM
> New Time Restraints Set For Monday's Public Hearing On The Hills Dec 1, 2016 1:12 PM
> First Hearing On The Hills In East Quogue Draws Big Crowd, Mixed Reactions Nov 8, 2016 3:30 PM
> Next Public Hearing On 'The Hills At Southampton' Application Set For December 5 Nov 8, 2016 3:15 PM
> First Hearing On 'The Hills' Application Set For Monday In East Quogue Nov 1, 2016 5:32 PM
> Southampton Town Deems 'The Hills' Environmental Impact Statement Complete Oct 12, 2016 11:27 AM
> UPDATE: Town Deems 'The Hills' Environmental Impact Statement Complete Oct 11, 2016 3:37 PM
> Southampton Town Board Delays Adoption Of Environmental Report On 'The Hills' Application Sep 28, 2016 12:21 PM
> Environmental Study For The Hills In East Quogue Expected To Be Rejected For Third Time Aug 19, 2016 9:57 AM
> Southampton Town Offer To Purchase The Hills Property In East Quogue Is Rejected Aug 9, 2016 9:54 AM
> Southampton Town Offer To Purchase The Hills Property In East Quogue Is Rejected Aug 5, 2016 4:06 PM
> Alec Baldwin, Local Environmentalists Petition For Pine Barrens Commission To Review 'The Hills' Jul 26, 2016 4:05 PM
> Discovery Land Still Considering Town's Offer For East Quogue Land Jul 20, 2016 11:32 AM
> Alec Baldwin Will Push Pine Barrens Commission To Review 'The Hills' Jul 13, 2016 1:41 PM
> Southampton Town Makes Offer To Purchase The Hills Property In East Quogue Jul 13, 2016 12:11 PM
> Discovery Land Insists That 'The Hills' Won't Add Any Children To Local Schools Jun 28, 2016 3:10 PM
> Southampton Town Deems The Hills Environmental Impact Study Incomplete For The Second Time Jun 15, 2016 10:05 AM
> East Quogue Civic Association Meeting To Discuss 'The Hills' Turns To Screaming Match Jun 14, 2016 3:20 PM
> UPDATE: Discovery Land Changes Time Of Saturday Informational Meeting Jun 10, 2016 10:13 AM
> Developer Discusses Dune Deck, The Hills Project At Informational Meeting May 11, 2016 12:46 PM
> Updated 'The Hills' Environmental Impact Study Describes When Community Benefits Would Arrive Apr 26, 2016 4:32 PM
> Developer Schedules Informational Meeting On Dune Deck, 'The Hills' Apr 26, 2016 3:36 PM
> UPDATE: Town Releases 'The Hills' Environmental Study To Public Apr 22, 2016 10:50 AM
> Flanders, Riverside Residents Weigh In On 'The Hills' Mar 1, 2016 2:45 PM
> 'The Hills' Developer Expects To Submit Tweaked Draft Environmental Study Next Month Feb 24, 2016 12:53 PM
> Southampton Town Declares Hills Environmental Impact Study Incomplete Feb 10, 2016 10:50 AM
> Alec Baldwin Joins Local Campaign Against The Hills, PDDs Jan 27, 2016 10:31 AM
> Town Officials, Environmentalists Still Reviewing Draft Study For 'The Hills' Jan 6, 2016 1:31 PM
> Developer Submits Draft Environmental Impact Statement For 'The Hills' To Southampton Town Dec 23, 2015 11:01 AM
> Survey Reveals That Lashley Beach Entrance Was On Private Property Nov 10, 2015 3:39 PM
> Developer Holds Final Meeting On Proposed East Quogue Golf Complex; Pine Barrens Commission Reverses Course Oct 28, 2015 1:40 PM
> Final Informational Meeting On 'The Hills' Project Scheduled For Next Week Oct 12, 2015 2:16 PM
> Discovery Land Company Attorney Wants To Control Discussion On 'The Hills' Sep 30, 2015 1:35 PM
> Southampton Town Supervisor Supports Public Hearing On Pine Barrens Commission's Right To Hear Hills Application Sep 2, 2015 10:56 AM
> East Quogue Luxury Golf Course Developer Answers Questions Sep 2, 2015 10:20 AM
> Discovery Land Schedules Four Hearings To Discuss East Quogue Golf Resort Project Aug 18, 2015 1:15 PM
> Southampton Town Adopts Final Scoping Document For Hills Application Jul 15, 2015 11:26 AM
> Town Expands Scope Of Questions For The Hills At Southampton Jun 24, 2015 10:39 AM
> Town Seeks Alternative Scenarios For The Hills Jun 24, 2015 10:39 AM
> Dune Deck Demolished; Construction On New Hotel Could Start In September Jun 10, 2015 12:40 PM
> Proposed Benefits For 'The Hills At Southampton' Planned Development District May 20, 2015 12:27 PM
> Residents Continue To Air Concerns About East Quogue Golf Course Community Monday Night May 20, 2015 12:13 PM
> Suffolk County Water Authority Says 'The Hills' Will Not Impact Groundwater Supplies May 17, 2015 5:51 PM
> Residents Warn Southampton Town Board To Run From 'The Hills' May 6, 2015 1:45 PM
> Southampton Town Board Schedules Meeting To Discuss Environmental Impact Of East Quogue Proposal Apr 15, 2015 2:04 PM
> Town Board Says New Designs, Objections By Environmentalists Should Not Derail Review Of Hills Proposal Mar 17, 2015 2:33 PM
> The Hills At Southampton Proposed Benefits Feb 18, 2015 12:54 PM
> The Hills At Southampton Golf Course Application Deemed Complete Jan 28, 2015 9:44 AM
> Discovery Land Company Tests The Water In The Hamptons Jan 20, 2015 1:12 PM
> Crews At The Hills Illegally Cleared Land, Southampton Town Officials Say Dec 2, 2014 4:17 PM
> Developers Behind East Quogue Golf Course Also Want To Build High-End Hotel In Westhampton Beach Dec 2, 2014 3:54 PM
> Developers Make Environmental Pitch For Golf Course, Luxury Homes In East Quogue Nov 18, 2014 2:55 PM
> Southampton Town Deems Hills Application Incomplete Nov 12, 2014 11:48 AM
> The Hills Application Lists 19 Benefits; Residents Still Wary Oct 29, 2014 9:43 AM
> Developer Files Updated Application For East Quogue Subdivision, Golf Course Oct 22, 2014 10:10 AM
> Anonymous Group Hires Attorney In Attempt To Derail East Quogue PDD May 28, 2014 10:46 AM
> Developers Are Now Looking To Build 118 Luxury Homes, 18-Hole Golf Course In East Quogue Feb 11, 2014 4:46 PM
> East Quogue Golf Course Development Gets Green Light For PDD Application Jan 15, 2014 12:58 PM
> 'The Hills' Application Dominates Discussion At Annual East Quogue Civic Association Meeting Oct 23, 2013 12:44 PM
> Suffolk County Planning Commission Rejects East Quogue Golf Course Development Proposal Sep 18, 2013 11:05 AM
> Environmentalists, Residents Oppose East Quogue Golf Resort Proposal Aug 28, 2013 11:14 AM
> East Quogue Golf Course Proposal Back In Spotlight Aug 23, 2013 10:16 AM
> New Golf Course, Housing Development Proposed In East Quogue Jul 24, 2013 12:03 PM
> Suffolk County, Town Could Team Up To Buy 415 Acres In East Quogue Jun 15, 2011 1:09 PM
> East Quogue Civic Association Wants Town To Buy 'Links' Property Nov 17, 2010 12:45 PM
> Suffolk County wants to buy 146 acres in East Quogue Sep 23, 2009 2:40 PM
> Golf course a possibility on East Quogue site Mar 25, 2009 12:36 PM
> East Quogue developers must reduce size of new subdivision Jan 14, 2009 11:00 AM
> Two major subdivisions planned for East Quogue Nov 24, 2008 2:34 PM
By Alexa Gorman
Despite offering more than a dozen suggested benefits—from the installation of sidewalks and the addition of a downtown parking lot, to setting aside funds for school improvements and long-term water quality restoration projects—an ambitious application that would also develop the largest remaining tract of open and unpreserved land on the East End continues to divide the community.
Last month, representatives of the Arizona-based Discovery Land Company, the developers behind The Hills at Southampton, refiled an application seeking permission from Southampton Town to build 118 residences and an 18-hole golf course on 168 acres in East Quogue, while also preserving 426 acres. The tweaked document seeks a mixed-use planned development district, a special zoning designation that would allow a higher concentration of development on the 168 acres in exchange for agreeing to buy and preserve two other properties, plus about half of a third. It also pitches 15 community benefits—a decrease from the 19 proposed with the original application—based on feedback and the desires of town officials and hamlet residents.
Under the town's revised PDD law, developers must offer multiple community benefits to help justify a requested change of zoning.
The 15 benefits now listed have an estimated combined value of $3.4 million for the first year, and $10 million a year after that moving forward, according to the firm. They include: providing enhanced wastewater treatment facilities, where feasible, for The Hills property; setting aside money earmarked for the research of high-tech septic systems to be utilized by the town; and providing watershed improvements, such as the installation of permeable barriers that are supposed to filter nitrates and other pollutants from groundwater, and which would benefit both Weesuck Creek and the western portion of Shinnecock Bay.
Additionally, the company is offering to provide more public parking off Main Street in East Quogue, to donate an acre of land to the East Quogue School District and also gift the district some $40,000 to be put toward field and school improvements, and to restore habitats on three of the four disturbed properties that it will eventually own if the application is approved by the Southampton Town Board.
Other benefits include preserving the following properties as open space: 62 acres of nearby land, known as the Kracke property, that could otherwise accommodate up to 13 new homes; a 101-acre parcel, called the Parlato property, that could house up to 24 single-family homes; and the 87-acre Hills North property that sits north of the proposed development and north of Sunrise Highway.
Still, some hamlet residents, and critics of the development, insist that many of the suggested benefits—the water quality-related items in particular—should not be counted as the kind of public benefits mandated by PDD guidelines, as they would not be needed in the first place if all the land were to be protected instead of developed.
Earlier this month, the Town Board agreed to begin the State Environmental Quality Review process on the application and, once that is complete, the first round of public hearings will be scheduled.
East Quogue resident Ron Kass, president of the Citizens for Clean Drinking Water, Clean Air and Clean Bays, argues that the setting aside of funding for advanced wastewater systems and watershed improvements to Weesuck Creek, the restoration of habitats, as well as the dedication of land to the Suffolk County Water Authority for a new well field, would not be necessary if The Hills application is rejected.
Attorney Carolyn Zenk of Hampton Bays, a former Town Board member and vice president of the Citizens for Clean Drinking Water, Clean Air and Clean Bays, agreed that the donation of land for a well field should not be counted as a benefit, since the developers will be damaging an existing one.
"Their project will destroy an existing public well field … and cause 180 million gallons of tainted water to flow to residents," wrote Ms. Zenk, who is being paid by group members to represent them, in a press release issued on Monday. "Overall, this deal is a loss to the public."
At the same time, Mr. Kass, in an email, wrote that the donation of $50,000 to the town to study high-tech septic systems, as well as setting aside $30,000 to restore nearby Shinnecock Bay by installing new oyster beds and eelgrass, do qualify as benefits.
Joan Hughes, president of the East Quogue Citizens Advisory Committee, agrees that the 15 listed benefits do not justify the placement of a high-density residential development within a state-designated Special Groundwater Protection Area, on land that remains the top priority for acquisition and preservation among local environmentalists.
The main property, they note, is the largest of its kind within the Pine Barrens that is still in private hands; earlier attempts by Southampton Town to acquire the land were unsuccessful, as its former owners had rejected an earlier undisclosed offer from the town. Officials familiar with those negotiations have speculated that the poor condition of the land—a significant portion of it has been illegally disturbed over the years and now features ATV trails and even a paintball obstacle course—prevented the town from making an offer that could have been accepted.
"I very strongly feel that it shouldn't be developed because of its importance to the environment," Ms. Hughes added.
But others in East Quogue, like Cathy Seeliger, owner of Roses and Rice on Main Street, think that Discovery Land officials have done their homework and due diligence in coming up with a proposal that benefits the hamlet. Unlike most opponents, Ms. Seeliger said she is of the position that the company's plans should improve the condition of local waterways, pointing to the addition of the permeable barriers and other plans to restore the bay.
"I don't believe they're going to pollute the water," Ms. Seeliger said. "This is not a haphazard thing. They've done their research. Ultimately, I think they will be helping the bays rather than hindering them."
In particular, Ms. Seeliger, who has owned her shop for 20 years, said she thinks the company's plans to offer expanded public parking near the Main Street shops is another solid benefit. "As a Main Street merchant, I can say that East Quogue is in pretty bad shape," she said. "There's a ton of empty storefronts, and worst of all is the parking.
"If you can't find parking, you just keep on going to the next town," she continued. "It's a sad place to be right now, and we need something. I think [The Hills] should be welcomed."
Other hamlet residents, like Maria Daddino, who writes the East Quogue column for The Press, said she thinks the application currently on the table is a good compromise between those who want to preserve the property and those who wish to see it developed. "Less than half [of the all four properties] is being developed—I think that's fair," Ms. Daddino said. "If it can't be [preserved], then you have to work with the developer to make sure it's done properly."
Mark Hissey, senior vice president of Discovery Land, explained that some of the benefits on the application that was deemed incomplete by the Town Board in November 2014 were removed after town officials said they did not qualify as such. The old list included the estimated $4.4 million in annual revenue that the The Hills development would generate in taxes, with much of that benefiting the East Quogue School District. Also removed from the list were the proposed linings that would be installed in certain sections of the golf course to contain the flow of pollutants and fertilizers; the developers, however, still intend to install the barriers.
While the development's projected tax revenue is no longer listed as a benefit, the fact that the 118 luxury homes would be marketed to second- and third-home owners still made the cut, with the positive being that the units are not expected to add any students to the school district.
Still, Ron Nappi, an East Quogue resident and a member of Citizens for Clean Drinking Water, Clean Air and Clean Bays, is insisting that a covenant that prohibits those who buy the units from sending their children to local schools cannot be guaranteed by Discovery Land. And even if such a guarantee could be made, Mr. Nappi says, such a large development will create new jobs—the company says the project could generate up to 150 new employment opportunities—that could attract more families to East Quogue, eventually resulting in increased enrollment.
Mr. Nappi estimated in an email that if 100 of those jobs were filled by people who moved to the hamlet, about 26 students would be added to the district. "You can play with these figures, but the bottom line is that 'The Hills' will affect enrollment," Mr. Nappi wrote.
Ms. Zenk echoed that sentiment, citing the U.S. Housing and Urban Development policy that prohibits a developer from marketing homes based on familial status. "I don't believe the town can contract with private developers to discriminate against families with children," she wrote. "This likely won't hold up in court."
Mr. Hissey explained that the covenant will not allow the homes to be listed as primary residences, which, in theory, should prohibit the families who buy them from enrolling their children in the school system.
Regarding the environmental concerns of opponents, Mr. Hissey charges that the water quality of Weesuck Creek is already poor, and that the installation of a permeable reactive barrier to filter nitrogen from groundwater is needed for the hamlet—regardless of whether or not The Hills eventually earns Town Board approval.
"If the town approves, we'll figure out where to put that," Mr. Hissey said of the barrier, which will also be used as part of the recently approved Canoe Place Inn PDD in Hampton Bays.
"The bottom line is Weesuck Creek area water quality isn't good, and we want to make sure we do something down there, especially because this is the water that's coming off our property," he added. "At the very least, we need to do something on Weesuck Creek."
Additionally, he explained that his company wants to dedicate $1.4 million to the town for wastewater improvements, money that could go toward the construction of an actual treatment facility or the creation of a subsidy account for homeowners who are interested in upgrading their cesspool systems.
Nothing is set in stone, Mr. Hissey added, explaining that the decision will fall to the town.
"We are up for whatever suggestions they come up with and what they think will bring the most bang from our buck for the bay," he said.
Still, many in the East Quogue community said they will continue to push for the rejection of the PDD, insisting that the level of development proposed will ultimately further impair already damaged waterways.
"It's not a sufficient solution against the amount of pollution they'd be causing," Ms. Hughes said.
In spite of their differences, one benefit that most residents can agree on is the need for additional public parking near and along Main Street.
Currently, Mr. Hissey said the primary option would be for Discovery Land to buy a small vacant lot behind New Moon Cafe on Main Street from Ron Campsey, the owner of the restaurant. That lot, Mr. Hissey estimated, could accommodate up to 30 spaces if it can be purchased or leased from Mr. Campsey, who did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
"The only really valid [benefit] was a parking lot," Ms. Hughes said. "That would be a real community benefit. East Quogue needs a parking lot. Everything else I don't think counts."
Ms. Zenk agreed, stating: "When you blow away the dust, there isn't much left in terms of public benefits."
Wow...New sidewalks AND a gigantic new downtown parking lot! Thank goodness for progress and developers.
By Non-Political (125), Hampton Bays on Feb 20, 15 8:44 AM
Having read the SH Press article a number of items jump out at me.
The small lot owned by New Moon Cafe owner Ron Campsey is littered with unregistered vehicles and debris and looks like a junkyard. It is and has been an eyesore for many years......why has SHT Code Enforcement not made Mr Campsey clean it up? Obviously Mr Campsey stands to benefit from "The Hills" as do other EQ business owners. How about it SHT, look into this eyesore?
In the Benefit Breakdown, how is permitting ...more the WHB High School golf team a benefit to the EQ Community?
Just where are the sidewalks to be located? Determining placement at a later date cannot be construed to be a EQ community benefit!
A $50,000 donation to SHT earmarked to study high-tech septic systems benefits the entire SHT so it is not JUST an EQ benefit. BTW, if allotted for the entire Town it is a paltry sum given what the Discovery Land Company asks in return from the EQ Community.
No children from the 118 residential units will attend the EQ School. Just how are you going to guarantee that? Just who is going to enforce it? It is not likely that SHT will do anything if violations occur. The EQ residents have been there before and covenants have been broken. Enforcement does not happen.........
Ms Daddino, a EQ resident and EQ Community writer for the SHT Press does not speak for the majority of EQ residents. She is entitled to her personal opinion, but as a writer for the community she should be unbiased and just report community news. I venture to say that Ms Daddio a newer member of our community doesn't live anywhere near the proposed development.
My other concerns have already been addressed in the SHT Press article. Seems to me that the only residents in favor of "The Hills" are those who stand to financially gain or do not live close to the development.
By crusader (391), East Quogue on Feb 20, 15 9:06 AM
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Hampton Bays, and East Quoque want no development to improve their villages. It will be interesting to see who hits bottom first.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Feb 20, 15 9:38 AM
Mr. Nappi, opposing the project, says that if it brings jobs, it will bring additional school enrollment. That may be, but it's not a bad thing. More kids in school because of more employment is a lot different from more kids in school just because there's more housing for them.
Ms. Zenk, also in opposition, says you can't market housing restricted to families without children, that it won't hold up in court, and she's right.
Mr. Hissey, for the developer, says they're not going ...more to market it just to childless families, but they are going to have covenants prohibiting buyers from declaring the homes to be their principal residences, which should prevent them from enrolling their kids in local schools.
That covenant might or might not stand judicial scrutiny, but what if a buyer later sells whatever other home or homes he has, and doesn't rent anywhere else? Now The Hills place becomes his principal residence by default, and I doubt if the covenant could be enforced to kick him out. Seems he'd then have a perfect right to put his kids in our schools.
So that one's gone as a community benefit, and others have presented strong arguments against many of the other alleged community benefits coming from The Hills.
If this is the kind of deceptive reasoning that's being used to sell this project to the community, I'd be very wary of it.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Feb 24, 15 12:03 PM
An illegal covenant like not allowing kids to go to school is lllegal! If you pay school taxes you can't stop kids from going to school. Have you ever heard of taxation without representation. That being said I doubt people from other areas will send their kids to school here.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Feb 27, 15 9:42 PM
Leave no postage stamp undeveloped...
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PetroSA's plan for a liquid natural gas mooring facility in a known whale-breeding site on the Western Cape coast has stirred up an environmental hornet's nest. Environmentalists warn that the facility, planned for the serene location of Vleesbaai, near Mossel Bay, will disrupt marine life.
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