The best parts of I Am Legend, the virus apocalypse flick hitting theaters tomorrow, may be largely unintentional. As the movie opens, we're treated to a rich soundscape of New York City taken over by non-human creatures. Wind keens between the buildings, birds sing, deer clatter down roads in the East Village, and grass grows thickly everywhere. It feels like a Utopia, not a scifi horror movie where the survivors of a global plague have become dehumanized cannibals who shun the light. This off-kilter tone, where something supposedly scary is hard to see as anything but lovely, is one of the biggest problems with I Am Legend. The movie feels cobbled together, especially as it enters its action-packed second half.
Unfortunately, all the beautiful innovation of the film's "empty New York" effects - as well as the humanity of Will Smith, who is acting up a pretty good storm here - get lost in the final 40 minutes of the film. That's when the zombie-vampire-infected-thugs come out to play. What begins as a movie about how uninfected survivor Robert Neville (Will Smith) copes with his loneliness becomes a rather dull cat-and-mouse (or monster-and-hero) chase.
Plus, the monsters are pretty lame. Imagine a cross between the infected in 28 Days Later and the soldiers in 300 and you've got the monsters in this flick. Pasty white, fast-moving, with mouths that open to impossible proportions when used for roaring (which they always are), the "night seekers" or "day avoiders" or whatever the hell they're called are your basic fast zombie model. Boring.
What is terrific about this movie, and makes it worth seeing, is quite simply the setting. Every scene in empty New York is terrific, moody, and well-played. Neville's only companion is his dog, and Smith manages to make their relationship emotionally compelling and fun to watch. There's a scene where the loneliness-crazed Neville starts talking to mannequins in a store that's genuinely unsettling. And there are some action-packed moments when he has to rescue his dog from the monsters, but they're basically cheap-scare stuff with sudden movements in dark hallways.
I Am Legend could have risen above its B-movie plot if the monsters had been a little bit more complicated. Are they really monsters, or just a twist in human evolution? What makes them tick? Equally, the movie might have made a bravely dystopian move and never introduced Neville to another real human being. But the moment Neville meets more uninfected humans, the entire movie goes to crap. You can forgive a horror-scifi movie its tacked-on "we're all saved" ending if it caps off a well-executed adventure. I Am Legend is not that kind of adventure. It's fun; it's worth seeing if you like a little zombie action; but don't expect to be blown away.


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Foreign tax credit
The concept Foreign tax credit represents the subject, aboutness, idea or notion of resources found in Bowdoin College Library.
The Resource Foreign tax credit
24 Items that share the Concept Foreign tax credit
Carryback and carryover for foreign taxes where limitation on mineral income applies. January 27, 1972. -- Committed of the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Credit for foreign taxes paid by certain foreign corporations. December 14, 1970. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Credit for foreign taxes paid by certain foreign corporations. December 30 (legislative day, December 28), 1970. -- Ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Dividends received deduction for dividends paid by a foreign corporation from earnings and profits accumulated by a domestic corporation. August 15, 1960. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Estate tax deduction for charitable transfers subjected to foreign death taxes. August 9, 1958. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Estate tax deduction for charitable transfers subjected to foreign death taxes. February 26, 1959. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Estate tax deduction for charitable transfers subjected to foreign death taxes. July 8, 1959. -- Ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Foreign Investment Incentive Tax Act of 1960. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives, to accompany H.R. 5, a bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to encourage private investment abroad and thereby promote American industry... February 19, 1960. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Foreign Investors Tax Act of 1966. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives, to accompany H.R. 13103, a bill to provide equitable tax treatment for foreign investment in the United States. April 26, 1966. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Foreign investors tax act of 1966; Presidential election campaign fund act; and other amendments. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate, to accompany H.R. 13103 a bill to provide equitable tax treatment for foreign investment in the United States. October 11, 1966. -- Ordered to be printed. Filed under authority of the order of the Senate of October 11, 1966., (electronic resource)
Foreign tax credits claimed by U.S. petroleum companies. Twenty-fourth report by the Committee on Government Operations together with additional views. June 1, 1978. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Overall limitation on foreign tax credit. March 8, 1960. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Overall limitation on foreign tax credit. May 19, 1960. -- Ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Revenue Act of 1962. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate, to accompany H.R. 10650, a bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to provide a credit for investment in certain depreciable property, to eliminate certain defects and inequities, and for other purposes... August 16 (legislative day, August 15), 1962. -- Ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax Reform Act of 1969. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives to accompany H.R. 13270, a bill to reform the income tax laws with separate and supplemental views. August 2, 1969. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax reform act of 1975. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House of Representatives, together with supplemental, separate, minority, and dissenting views on H.R. 10612. November 12, 1975. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax reform act of 1976. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate, on H.R. 10612. June 10 (legislative day, June 3), 1976. -- Ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax reform act of 1985. Report of the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, United States Senate, together with additional views. March 13 (legislative day, March 10), 1986. -- Ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax reform act of 1985. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives, on H.R. 3838 together with dissenting and additional dissenting views. December 7, 1985. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax reform act of 1986. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate to accompany H.R. 3838 together with additional views (including cost estimate of the Congressional Budget Office). May 29, 1986. -- Ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax treatment extension act of 1977. Report by the Committee on Ways and Means (to accompany H.R. 9251). October 12, 1977. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax treatment extension act of 1978. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate, on H.R. 9251. April 19 (legislative day, February 6), 1978. -- Ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax treatment of expropriation loss recoveries. October 8, 1965. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Tax treatment of income from certain railroad rolling stock. September 12, 1978. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed., (electronic resource)
Context of Foreign tax credit
Tax treatment of income from certain railroad rolling stock. September 12, 1978. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Carryback and carryover for foreign taxes where limitation on mineral income applies. January 27, 1972. -- Committed of the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Credit for foreign taxes paid by certain foreign corporations. December 14, 1970. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Credit for foreign taxes paid by certain foreign corporations. December 30 (legislative day, December 28), 1970. -- Ordered to be printed.
Dividends received deduction for dividends paid by a foreign corporation from earnings and profits accumulated by a domestic corporation. August 15, 1960. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Estate tax deduction for charitable transfers subjected to foreign death taxes. August 9, 1958. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Estate tax deduction for charitable transfers subjected to foreign death taxes. February 26, 1959. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Estate tax deduction for charitable transfers subjected to foreign death taxes. July 8, 1959. -- Ordered to be printed.
Foreign Investment Incentive Tax Act of 1960. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives, to accompany H.R. 5, a bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to encourage private investment abroad and thereby promote American industry... February 19, 1960. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Foreign Investors Tax Act of 1966. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives, to accompany H.R. 13103, a bill to provide equitable tax treatment for foreign investment in the United States. April 26, 1966. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Foreign investors tax act of 1966; Presidential election campaign fund act; and other amendments. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate, to accompany H.R. 13103 a bill to provide equitable tax treatment for foreign investment in the United States. October 11, 1966. -- Ordered to be printed. Filed under authority of the order of the Senate of October 11, 1966.
Foreign tax credits claimed by U.S. petroleum companies. Twenty-fourth report by the Committee on Government Operations together with additional views. June 1, 1978. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Overall limitation on foreign tax credit. March 8, 1960. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Overall limitation on foreign tax credit. May 19, 1960. -- Ordered to be printed.
Revenue Act of 1962. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate, to accompany H.R. 10650, a bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to provide a credit for investment in certain depreciable property, to eliminate certain defects and inequities, and for other purposes... August 16 (legislative day, August 15), 1962. -- Ordered to be printed.
Tax Reform Act of 1969. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives to accompany H.R. 13270, a bill to reform the income tax laws with separate and supplemental views. August 2, 1969. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Tax reform act of 1975. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House of Representatives, together with supplemental, separate, minority, and dissenting views on H.R. 10612. November 12, 1975. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Tax reform act of 1976. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate, on H.R. 10612. June 10 (legislative day, June 3), 1976. -- Ordered to be printed.
Tax reform act of 1985. Report of the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, United States Senate, together with additional views. March 13 (legislative day, March 10), 1986. -- Ordered to be printed.
Tax reform act of 1985. Report of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives, on H.R. 3838 together with dissenting and additional dissenting views. December 7, 1985. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Tax reform act of 1986. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate to accompany H.R. 3838 together with additional views (including cost estimate of the Congressional Budget Office). May 29, 1986. -- Ordered to be printed.
Tax treatment extension act of 1977. Report by the Committee on Ways and Means (to accompany H.R. 9251). October 12, 1977. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.
Tax treatment extension act of 1978. Report of the Committee on Finance, United States Senate, on H.R. 9251. April 19 (legislative day, February 6), 1978. -- Ordered to be printed.
Tax treatment of expropriation loss recoveries. October 8, 1965. -- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.

 Data from Foreign tax credit - Bowdoin College Library

Data Citation of the Concept Foreign tax credit

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Lol anyway…. a few months back my good friends; Bernie & Bindi (Bernard Richardson Wedding Photography) asked me to help with a photo shoot for a lovely couple who got married in India but wanted some fun family photos captured in Dubai. The shoot was organised by Bernie & Bindi and they asked me to come along with some accessories and help out on the day. Having only met Jen and Merill once over breakfast the week before I had no idea what the outfits would be like, so I gathered some ideas from Pinterest and proposed a few simple props which would add variety to their pictures. As you scroll through the images you'll see me standing with a bunch of balloons and a backdrop of flowers. Styling is fun but it's definitely not glamorous.


Another reason for Michigan to go to a part time legislature!
MonroeTalks.com > Categories > Politics and Government > Another reason for Michigan to go to a part time legislature!
and when they make it harder to follow the money then you should realize they're hiding '$omething'!!!
Re: Another reason for Michigan to go to a part time legislature!
the very first slide features someone many of us still remember even though he's (at least for now) no longer an elected official.
I thought this may be an appropriate thread to post this clip in. Tax dollars in action!
Bragging about doing what I see as the MINIMUM and showing up to just vote?
Right! It doesn't take a genius to vote. anybody can do that. Lets do something the citizens want done.
Actually fixing no fault insurance for instance?
Writing an energy bill that doesn't make the power companies and environmentalists both happy? How about that?
I think the FULL TIME aspect gives these clowns too much time to get bought off, and not enough time in the trenches working back home, talking to those they represent.
If you feed a monkey enough peanuts you can teach a monkey how to vote as demonstrated by Pavlov, (Pavlov's theory of conditioning) who changed a dog's behavior by physical conditioning.
It seems there is no Tax that our lawmakers can resist voting for.
Lawmakers have a made a good living going to Lansing staying long enough to establish networks and connections then work as or for lobbyist. It's just business as usual and all this horse sh** about about being proud to serve is just that, representing his city or that and voting 100 percent of the time is horseh**.
It's not just holding the title or words that matter, look at their deeds.
Part-time legislatures is probably a direction well worth exploring since full time legislatures have proven themselves beholden to the highest bidder first, not to the people.
I'm all for a part time legislature, but exactly how is that alone going to make them less beholden to corporations?
Good question......one I can think of is that they would not be around Lansing lobbyist as much, and have to spend more time in their respective districts with the people who elected them.
I'm sure those lobbyists have our representatives cell numbers on speed dial.
True......I guess I don't have a good answer to your question then.
I think you have the right answer there.
If they are living and working in the communities they represent - cause the legislature doesn't pay the bills - they will be far more responsive to their needs than what they can get from a lobbyist that has access to their ear much of the time.
I trust that Joe is still going to be working his market if I have a concern. I don't see him letting his business go.


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Did Bush plan to bomb Al-Jazeera?
The American press is predictably ignoring the story. Yet it is only too plausible that Bush wanted to wipe out what he saw as a nest of terrorists.
Check out this article! https://www.salon.com/2005/11/30/al_jazeera_3/
Juan Cole
November 30, 2005 5:43PM (UTC)
Last week, the British newspaper the Daily Mirror reported that George W. Bush had told U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair in April 2004 that he was planning to bomb the Al-Jazeera offices in Qatar. The report, based on a leaked top-secret government memo, claimed that Blair dissuaded Bush from bombing the Arab cable news channel's offices. An anonymous source told the Mirror, "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it." The Mirror quoted a government spokesperson, also anonymous, as suggesting that Bush's threat had been "humorous, not serious." But the newspaper quoted another source who said, "Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men."
White House press secretary Scott McClellan brushed off the report, telling the Associated Press in an e-mail, "We are not interested in dignifying something so outlandish and inconceivable with a response." In a response to a question asked in Parliament, Tony Blair denied that Bush had told him he planned to take action against Al-Jazeera. The two men involved in the leak have been charged with violating Britain's Official Secrets Act.
The report kicked off a furor in Europe and the Middle East. It was, predictably, virtually ignored by the American press. It would be premature to claim that the Mirror's report, based on anonymous sources and a document that has not been made public, proves that Bush intended to bomb Al-Jazeera. But the frightening truth is that it is only too possible that the Mirror's report is accurate. Bush and his inner circle, in particular Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had long demonized the channel as "vicious," "inexcusably biased" and abetting terrorists. Considering the administration's no-holds-barred approach to the "war on terror," the closed circle of ideologues that surround Bush, and his own messianic certainty about his divine mission to rid the world of "evil," the idea that he seriously considered bombing what he perceived as a nest of terrorist sympathizers simply cannot be ruled out. Add in the fact that the U.S. military had previously bombed Al-Jazeera's Kabul, Afghanistan, and Baghdad, Iraq, offices (the U.S. pleaded ignorance in the Kabul case, and claimed the Baghdad bombing was a mistake), and the case becomes stronger still.
Skeptics have argued that it is inconceivable that even Bush would consider bombing an office containing 400 journalists, located in the friendly Gulf nation of Qatar. But again, it is more than conceivable that Bush decided that it was essential to neutralize an enemy outpost, and left the tactical question of execution to spooks and generals. Certainly there is strong evidence that Bush and his advisors, in particular Rumsfeld, were thinking along these lines.
Ironically, Rumsfeld himself had telegraphed the strategy during an interview in 2001 on ... Al-Jazeera! On Oct. 16, 2001, Rumsfeld talked to the channel's Washington anchor Hafez Mirazi (who once worked for the Voice of America but left in disgust at the level of censorship he faced there). Although most such interviews are archived at the Department of Defense, this one appears to be absent. Mirazi showed it again on Monday, and it contained a segment in which Rumsfeld defended the targeting of radio stations that supported the Taliban. He made it clear right then that he believed in total war, and made no distinction between civilian and military targets. The radio stations, he said, were part of the Taliban war effort.
In fact, Al-Jazeera bears no resemblance to the pro-Taliban radio stations that Rumsfeld defended attacking.
Despite the extensive censorship regimes in the Middle East, Arab intellectuals joke, it is possible to get news about everything from only two sources. The Al-Jazeera television channel will report frankly on every Arab government save that of Qatar, its host and benefactor. On the other hand, Saudi pan-Arab newspapers published in London will report fully on all Arab governments save Saudi Arabia's own. Put them together, and you have complete coverage.
Al-Jazeera was founded in the 1990s by disgruntled Arab journalists, many of whom had worked for the BBC Arabic service, though a few came from the Voice of America. The station was a breath of fresh air in the stultified world of Arab news broadcasting, where news producers' idea of an exciting segment is a stationary camera on two Arab leaders sitting ceremonially on a Louis XIV sofa while martial music plays for several minutes. In contrast, Al-Jazeera anchors host live debates that often turn heated, and do not hesitate to ask sharp questions.
Despite the false stereotypes that circulate in the United States among pundits and politicians who have never watched the station, most of Al-Jazeera's programming is not Muslim fundamentalist in orientation. The rhetoric is that of Arab nationalism, and the reporters are only interested in fundamentalism to the extent that it is anti-imperialist in tone. This slant gives many of the programs the musty, antiquated feel of an old Gamal Abdul Nasser speech from the 1960s. In the Arab world, clothes speak to politics. The male anchors and reporters usually sport business suits, and the mostly unveiled women might as well be on the runway of a European fashion show. The station does carry a program with the Egyptian cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a Muslim brother who fled Abdul Nasser's regime. But even al-Qaradawi gave a fatwa (ruling) allowing Muslims to fight in the U.S. military against al-Qaida in Afghanistan.
Al-Jazeera broadcasts videotapes by Muslim radicals such as Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, angering Bush administration officials. But broadcasting their tapes does not constitute an endorsement, and it seems clear what the al-Qaida leaders would do to the modern, non-theocratic journalists of Al-Jazeera if they took over Qatar. The sensibilities about such matters, in any case, differ from country to country. There was a time when an Irish Republican Army figure such as Gerry Adams could not be shown speaking on British television, on the grounds that he was a terrorist. But the U.S. was notoriously unhelpful in boycotting the IRA, whose cause was popular among many Irish-Americans. Rumsfeld has complained bitterly about other news servicing, calling the German press, for example, "worse than al-Qaida."
Political scientist Marc Lynch, in his just-published "Voices of the New Arab Public," notes that despite their tilt toward Arab nationalism, the station's anchors often ask sharp questions of state spokesmen. For example, one quizzed Iraq Foreign Minister Muhammad Said al-Sahhaf (later notorious as "Baghdad Bob") in 1998, inquiring why, if Iraq had no forbidden weapons, it did not simply allow the inspectors into the country.
Among the chief criticisms launched by Bush administration figures such as Rumsfeld against Al-Jazeera was that it showed graphic images of the dead and wounded from both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. The Bush administration had learned the lesson of Vietnam, that images of actual warfare generally appall the American public, which seems less bothered by words describing the horrors than it does by pictures. Reporters were forbidden to photograph the caskets of dead American soldiers coming into Dover Air Force base. U.S. newspaper editors exercised a rigorous self-censorship, routinely declining the more graphic images of war on offer from the wire services, apparently on the belief that they would not be acceptable to an American public.
Al-Jazeera was the prime source of pictures of warfare, including dead and wounded, for the Afghanistan war. On Nov. 11, 2001, the New York Times quoted Auberi Edler, a foreign news editor at France 2, as complaining about the Pentagon policy of embargoing images from the war: "Our greatest pressure is that we have no images ... The only interesting images we get are from Al-Jazeera. It's bad for everybody."
The U.S. tactic of using smart bombs to target foreign fighters holing up in urban areas proved a challenge to Western news photographers, both in Afghanistan and Iraq. If they were not embedded with U.S. troops in areas where such bombing was taking place, they were in extreme danger. If they were with the troops, they could say little more than that they had heard bombing in the distance. The horror sometimes inflicted on civilians, despite the best efforts of military targeters, remained off camera for American audiences. Al-Jazeera, however, developed stringers who could provide that footage.
Rumsfeld became increasingly exasperated with the channel as the Iraq adventure went bad. In early 2004, according to Fox News, he began equating its news coverage of Iraq with murder: "'We are being hurt by Al-Jazeera in the Arab world,' he said. 'There is no question about it. The quality of the journalism is outrageous -- inexcusably biased -- and there is nothing you can do about it except try to counteract it.' He said it was turning Arabs against the United States. 'You could say it causes the loss of life,' he added. 'It's causing Iraqi people to be killed' by inflaming anti-American passions and encouraging attacks against Iraqis who assist the Americans, he added."
The notion that reporting on the guerrilla war in Iraq abets terrorism is typical of the logic of any extreme right-wing political movement. All censorship by all military regimes in the Middle East has been imposed on the grounds that journalists' speech is dangerous to society and could cause public turmoil (fitna). Rumsfeld's reasoning in this regard would be instantly recognizable to any Arab journalist from their experience with their own governments.
Of course, Rumsfeld did not consider how many lives -- tens of thousands -- have been lost because of his own inaccurate statements to the American public about Iraq, which he maintained had dangerous weapons of mass destructions and even more dangerous weapons programs. He and Vice President Dick Cheney also alleged an operational connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden that did not exist, implying repeatedly that Saddam was involved in Sept. 11. If speech really is murder, Rumsfeld is the Ted Bundy of governmental officials.
Rumsfeld, then, considered Al-Jazeera an accessory to terror, and there is no reason to suppose that Bush did not share this view. Seen in this light, Bush's plan to bomb its central offices makes perfect sense. Bush has often boasted about his harshness toward murderers, and during his debate with Al Gore in 2000, he positively scared some in his audience by the macho swagger with which he described executing criminals while he was governor of Texas.
The secretary's rage grew in intensity thereafter. At the height of the first U.S. attack on Fallujah, which was ordered by Bush in a fit of pique over the killing and desecration of four private security guards (three of them Americans, one South African), Rumsfeld exploded at a Pentagon briefing on April 15:
If I could follow up, Monday General Abizaid chastised Al-Jazeera and al-Arabiyah for their coverage of Fallujah and saying that hundreds of civilians were being killed. Is there an estimate on how many civilians have been killed in that fighting? And can you definitively say that hundreds of women and children and innocent civilians have not been killed?
SEC. RUMSFELD: I can definitively say that what al-Jazeera is doing is vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable.
Do you have a civilian casualty count?
SEC. RUMSFELD: Of course not, we're not in the city. But you know what our forces do; they don't go around killing hundreds of civilians. That's just outrageous nonsense! It's disgraceful what that station is doing.
In fact, local medical authorities put the number of dead at Fallujah, most of them women, children and noncombatants, at around 600.
As the London Times pointed out on Sunday, Bush's conference with Blair, at which he announced his plan to bomb the channel's Doha offices, occurred the very next day.
The outrage of the Bush administration had to do in part with what it saw as inaccuracies in Al-Jazeera reporting (as when it incorrectly alleged that spring that a U.S. helicopter had been downed, based on local eyewitnesses or Iraqi guerrilla sources). In the fog of war, however, most news outlets commit such errors. The real source of Rumsfeld's volcanic ire, and Bush's alleged turn as would-be mafia don and war criminal, was the graphic images of the warfare in Iraq that Al-Jazeera was willing to display at a time when no major U.S. news source would do so. Enraged, Rumsfeld began accusing the station of sins it never committed. In summer of 2005, in Singapore, the secretary of defense said, "If anyone lived in the Middle East and watched a network like the Al-Jazeera day after day after day, even if he was an American, he would start waking up and asking what's wrong. But America is not wrong. It's the people who are going on television chopping off people's heads, that is wrong. And television networks that carry it and promote it and jump on the spark every time there is a terrorist act are promoting the acts."
In fact, according to its media spokesman Jihad Ballout, Al-Jazeera "has never, ever shown a beheading of any hostage." Nor had its anchors come on the screen and urged beheadings in the manic way that Rumsfeld suggested. Al-Jazeera reporters may not like U.S. imperialism very much, but they are not fundamentalist murderers.
Despite the smokescreens that politicians and diplomats are attempting to throw up by suggesting that Bush was just joking, there is every reason to suspect that he was deadly serious and that Blair barely managed to argue him out of this parlous course of action. First, the Kabul and Baghdad offices of Al-Jazeera had already been bombed by the U.S. military. In each case the action was called a mistake. One such bombing might indeed have been an error, but two arouses suspicion. And now we know there was talk of a third.
The reaction in the Arab world to the Daily Mirror report has been a firestorm of outrage. Some Qataris are calling for the government to end U.S. basing rights in that country. Others are lamenting the hypocrisy of a superpower that represents itself as the leading edge of liberty in the Middle East but has so little respect for press freedom that its leader would cavalierly speak of wiping out hundreds of civilian journalists. If the British documents surface and the story's seriousness is borne out, whatever shreds of credibility Bush still has in the Middle East will be completely gone. After all, the current phase of U.S. involvement in the Middle East, and the two wars Americans have fought in the region, came in response to the terrorist bombing of innocent civilians in downtown office buildings.
Juan Cole is collegiate professor of history at the University of Michigan. He runs a news and commentary webzine on U.S. foreign policy and progressive politics, Informed Comment. His new book, Muhammad: Prophet of Peace Amid the Clash of Empires (Nation Books), has just been published.
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Q: BeautifulSoup can't get all source code of the page, only a little lines from urllib.request import urlopen
from bs4 import BeautifulSoup

page_origin = urlopen("https://stackoverflow.com")
page_html = page_origin.read()
page_origin.close()
print(page_html)

The result is the full html code of https://stackoverflow.com. It works fine. Because it's too long enough, I don't paste it on.

The problem is with BeautifulSoup. I add two lines' code to use BeautifulSoup to analyze the html. Strange things happened. It didn't work at all.
from urllib.request import urlopen
from bs4 import BeautifulSoup

page_origin = urlopen("https://stackoverflow.com")
page_html = page_origin.read()
page_origin.close()
# print(page_html)

page_soup = BeautifulSoup(page_html, features="lxml", from_encoding="gbk")
print(page_soup)

The result is very very simple.
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html class="html__responsive">
 <head>
  <title>
   Stack Overflow - Where Developers Learn, Share, & Build Careers
  </title>
  <link href="https://cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/stackoverflow/img/favicon.ico?v=4f32ecc8f43d" rel="shortcut icon"/>
  <link href="https://cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/stackoverflow/img/apple-touch-icon.png?v=c78bd457575a" rel="apple-touch-icon image_src"/>
  <link href="/opensearch.xml" rel="search" title="Stack Overflow" type="application/opensearchdescription+xml"/>
 </head>
</html>

It's not the full code of html and I can't analyze it at all.
Please help me, I debug it for too much time. Thanks.

A: This gives the full source code for me:
import requests

from bs4 import BeautifulSoup

r = requests.get('https://stackoverflow.com/')

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Toto' Angel of Le Cure
He is a familiar face in a bustling, well-to-do area of Florence; the original 'angel of beauty' who, without the support of any institutional construct, 'adopted' the passageway under the train tracks and expelled the drug dealers and criminals who had long ruled the underground alley.
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He is a familiar face in a bustling, well-to-do area of Florence; the original 'angel of beauty' who, without the support of any institutional construct, 'adopted' the passageway under the train tracks and expelled the drug dealers and criminals who had long ruled the underground alley. Salvatore 'Totò' Orlando, Sicilian by birth, 58 years old but weathered to agelessness, cleaned the derelict alley of the syringes, broken bottles and filth that used to blemish it.
He has done this work unaided for 15 years, save for the spare change that Le Cure residents happily leave him, using almost every cent to buy detergents, mops and brooms. He uses the leftover change to purchase his daily sandwich and help the vagrants and homeless who find in the alley a clean and safe floor to sleep on. Although Totò sleeps on a mattress in a nearby apartment building for students, his health has been compromised by working day in and day out in the graffiti-filled alleyway; the fumes have affected his eyesight, and the trains above have dulled his hearing. More than once, he has had to resort to fighting to ward off petty criminals of every kind. Yet he continues to protect the alley.
Now, what was once the shady underbelly in an otherwise posh corner of town is a cheerful, safe place where the young and old alike pass through at all hours without having to glance over their shoulders. Totò knows the residents by name, asks about their work, accepts donations with a modest nod and seeks to return their favours with a song, a flower or his winning, toothless grin.
La Nazione recently ran a story on Totò and his life, announcing that local residents are calling on the local administration to release a 'social pension' on his behalf. While grateful for the kind words, Totò sees it differently: 'Florence doesn't have to worry about me. It's this place that needs help; it's dangerous, it's poorly built. It shouldn't be up to me, even if I enjoy my work, especially the smiles the locals give me for doing it,' Totò explained. 'I don't want to be treated like a charity case; I have everything I need. I hold my head up high and try to help those who really need it. But I'd like to be able to leave this place and know it's being tended to. I'd like to see my son and grandson.'
What do you think? Recently, the city of Florence recognized the underground passage as an area where graffiti artists had free reign; this is the only attention it has garnered in years. How can the city revitalize the area?
Email your comments to inbox@theflorentine.net
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Eat this!
In a country where seasonal foods are venerated on Italian tables as if beatified saints, one could say that the sagra, or food festival, is a sort of gastronomical religious holiday. Throughout Italy, every month of every season has something new to table, and summer is perhaps the sagra's
Artigianato e Palazzo
It's been said time and time again: Florence is changing. Whether or not it be with the times, modernity is beginning to replace museum visits with Google street views, gelato with Ben & Jerry's, and, sadly, artisanal handicrafts with cost-friendlier, foreign-made goods. Luckily, there is an
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On March 21, the British Embassy in Rome announced that the British Consulate in Florence, after a presence in the city lasting over half a millennium, will close. Effective on December 31, 2011, British consular services for Northern Italy, including Florence, will be available through the British Consulate General in
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A day ticket or an annual pass will be required to access the restaurant when it opens.
Concerns surround the future of Thursday's flower market
The city council states "maximum willingness to keep the historic flower market alive".
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The central claim that I have is that postmodern values emerge from the very core or center of modern values, and that metamodern values emerge from the very core or center of postmodern values.
Here's a way of thinking about it, that I think might be fruitful. I think that some values correspond to certain societies or certain time periods. And I think that some values meet the demands of those societies and time periods – and their life conditions. Which is why they evolved in the first place. So medieval people had medieval values because they lived in medieval societies. Modern people have modern values because they live in modern societies.
So you're going to have, in the modern world, a lot of people who have and express and sincerely feel modern values. And you're going to have a minority of people – but a pretty big minority, especially in late modern or advanced modern societies – who express and live and embody postmodern values. And there is, emerging at this point, something I would like to call metamodern values. And they're still emerging. They're still a bit experimental, but they're distinct from postmodern values nevertheless.
So to begin with, are some of these values better than others?
Yes and no, I would say. We can look at it individually and collectively.
Individually speaking, let's say you go back in time, or you go to a less modern country, and you meet someone who has very traditional values. They believe in God, literally everything that's written in the Bible or the Koran, and they're a devout follower, and they believe that the world is 6000 years old and that gay people should be stoned to death, for instance.
Let's call the values of this person pre-modern. Does this person have worse values than you do? Do they have more primitive values? Are they a better or worse person?
It would be difficult to argue that this person has a lower morality than you do. They still act kindly, love their family, and follows what they have been taught is right and wrong. Their interests and feelings are as important as yours.
But collectively… we would be in huge trouble if in modern societies, people have pre-modern values, the kind of values of pre-modern societies. If you have a modern society, but it is run by values akin to those of Genghis Khan, or even just the values of traditional relatively authoritarian Catholicism, you get stuff like authoritarian dictatorship, or even Nazism: aggressive foreign policies, no focus on sustainability, and so forth.
So collectively, it is very important, that we as a society have values that correspond to the realities and challenges of our present day and age. As things look today, we are leaving the industrial age, and the age of the Enlightenment behind, and we are entering a new kind of society altogether. And most of us still have modern values. Which is to say that our values are not in tune with the society that we ourselves have created.
So a large part of our inability to tackle the problems of the modern world have to do with the fact that we have perhaps not sufficiently updated our own values. We haven't sufficiently grown as human beings to match the challenges we are faced with.
1. Sustainability. The world economy is not sustainable and is going to crash due to exponential growth on a limited planet.
2. Excessive inequalities. Even though poverty is dropping globally, we still have extreme inequalities that can hardly be justified and in some ways are growing.
3. Alienation. This includes the many subtle mental health issues that stem from modern life.
These are the problems caused by modern society, but that we as modern people find ourselves unable to tackle with modern values.
What, then, are modern values in the first place?
We know them more or less from the mainstream of society. These are the values of industrial civilization. They are the values of the Enlightenment.
There is a belief in science.
There is a belief in progress.
There is a belief in rationality.
Oftentimes there is a belief in the individual.
It is meritocratic, meaning everybody has to earn their position by a proven track record.
And in a way, it is kind of sincere. Modernity and modern values are married to a kind of sincerity. You ask mother nature, by the means of scientific method, and you get her to tell you the truth. And then you verify or falsify the claims of one another, so as to serve the progress and advancement of mankind – or that's the idea.
This is pretty much what we all learn in school.
Some people thought that was the end of history. Some people thought, that's as far as we'll get, and from now on, humanity's journey onward will not be into new philosophies, but only into more and more scientific and technological and progress.
But as modern society has progressed, more and more people – especially the ones that are highly educated and culturally sensitive and often, actually, according to research, the more intelligent ones – begin to question those values.
Enter postmodernism. Enter the postmodern values.
So what are those? You can find them around the counter culture of modern and Western society. All modern societies have a sizable counter culture. You have significant postmodern populations especially among the most modern societies in the world. You can find them among humanities professors, students, sociologists, critical social sciences, intellectuals of different sorts.
Instead of believing in science, postmodern people tend to be critical towards the supposed objectivity of science. They tend to be skeptical. They tend to want to pick it apart and look at power structures that drive this purportedly rational search for the truth.
There is no one big history, with one big direction, of the world.
Postmodernists don't believe in rationality, beginning with Freud and his exploration of the irrational unconscious, and beginning with Marx and Engels and their theories about how people are blinded by ideologies in everyday life. The postmodern thinkers don't believe there is such a thing as a rational human being. Human beings are driven by irrational drives, and a lot of times by their social surroundings, even by the structures of the language we speak – things that lie far beyond our own individual, conscious making.
Rather than the individual, then, you postmodern thinkers look at society. Even committing suicide – the most individual choice you can make, if you want to live or not – is a societal matter. In some countries, suicide rates are ten times or twenty times higher than in others, which says that we are governed by society more than we could normally imagine.
And, of course, postmodern minds tend think less of modern meritocracy and be against hierarchies. They question the hierarchies of everyday life. Why is the boss always a man, why is it always a tall person, why is it always a white guy? Why do the rich get so much political power? Why are all the Nobel prizes going to white guys, and why are they afforded by other white guys… in their fifties?
Rather than the modern sincerity, then, you get the postmodern irony. Think of The Simpsons for instance; this whole show is steeped in what could be said to be "cultural postmodernism". They're ironic towards pretty much everything. Everything gets an ironic beating, including the show itself.
Irony is the guiding principle of the postmodern mind.
But after you've been through a whole lot of postmodern irony, for a long time, and you've deconstructed (or "picked apart") your own thoughts, what happens is, in the long run it gets rather dissatisfying.
In the long run, you find out, you don't actually have anything to believe in anymore. Then you tend to fall into the traps of crude forms of nihilism and relativism, and you don't really know the path forward. And you get stuck in all of these details, all of this turning of stones, looking at the exceptions, and the cracks, and the contrasts.
And that's where metamodern values enter. Metamodern values bring in some hope and sincerity again. In a way they're both modern and postmodern at the same time. That's the metamodern value system; that you take the sincerity from modern life, together with a very healthy good dose of critical irony of the postmodern mind.
Metamodern values you cannot find in any larger numbers at this time. You have small, thin networks around the globe, writing about these things, talking about this shift, having conferences. The first academic journal is being started. The first political party with metamodern values has also been started, in Sweden and Denmark.
Metamodern values grow from populations of postmodern people. If you get enough postmodern people, sooner or later are going to turn into metamodernists.
Both progress and critique. "Both and" is a central theme in the metamodern mind. Finding the best "both ands" of life, itself becomes a metamodern value. At least you have to give both sides of the argument a fair chance.
Metamodern people labor to stretch their minds so as to take the best possible of both worlds: both-and, both-and – oscillation between two poles, or superposition between two potentials.
So how do you both believe in progress and not believe in it at the same time? You adopt a developmental view of human perspectives.
A core metamodern belief is the growth of people; personal inner growth of people, through stages of development. A simple example of which is actually the value systems I have presented in this talk.
Modern values show up in history at one point, they emerge, they grow in strength, they spread in the world, they take over whole political systems, and they give birth, eventually, to postmodern values. Oftentimes it is relatively privileged people within modern societies who can accept and take in and understand the postmodern values. And once the postmodern values have grown, and gone through many iterations, and eaten their own tail as it were, for a long time, they give birth to metamodern values.
And people who have metamodern values recognize this sequence. They understand, then, that there is a developmental sequence at the heart of what it means to be human.
So society develops through stages of development. And there is a direction to those stages. Human beings and our values, our psychologies, our personalities, also develop through stages of development.
Here, then, is the crucial point: If society develops ahead of us, the people, normal human beings like you and me, then we will live in a society that doesn't match the values that we hold dear. We won't be able to resolve the central issues of late modern global society. And we will never be able to arrive safely at the next historical stop, let's say a postindustrial, digitized, global society.
So the postmodern critique asks too much of people. It asks of the modern mind to be somebody it is not. It doesn't see the developmental perspective, that most people do not have postmodern values because they simply cannot. They simply cannot meet the inner demands that this value system requires.
How, then, do we resolve the central issues of modern society? Here's what I believe.
Only if people grow past the modern values can we create a sustainable world.
Only if people grow past the modern values can we create an equal and fair economy.
Only if people grow past the modern values can we fill the hole in the soul that modern society leaves in so many.
Postmodern critique goes some way, but it does not offer us this path to growth. Metamodern values are all about putting that inner growth at the heart and center of how we design society.
That is our utopia: a society designed to help each of us to grow as a human being. From the inside out. So that we can match the complexities of the world.
Really enjoying this laid-back version of Hanzi! The visual cue of having a bar conversation also helped to set the tone of the piece, even his voice changed a lot in my mind compared to the book and previous posts.
I appreciate the plurality of approaches to communicate your ideas, is this "Hanzi Freinacht at the bar" a taste of what's to come? And when will the new book hit the Amazon shelves? Keep up the great work!
I have always been laid-back.
So how do you take people from modern values to meta modern values, directly?
It's a tricky question, and most of the time, the answer will simply be that you cannot. But you may look for anomalies in the modern thinkers, such as higher complexity, talk about spiritual experiences or breaches in "the matrix" of modern cultural code, and see if there are ways ahead.
A significant minority of modernists are metamodernists in waiting, as they are resistant largely to their allergies and resistances to postmodern ideas, which they perceive and hypocritical sophistry. If this is the case, show them that metamodern values can beat postmodern ones, and that starts their process; from there on, show that they must include and transcend the postmodern to be able to beat it.
I talk about four developmental dimensions to look for in "The Listening Society".
Good to read these thought wrapped in a storytelling. Also excited to hear that the first academic journal is being started. Do You happen to know who will start it and will they launch?
Not sure when, but it has already been registered at a US university. Seth Abramson is the guy to contact if you would like to contribute.
*an when will they launch – that's what I wanted to write, sorry.
Thank you for this wonderfull talk. As visual person i think the image of quantum states: "Both – and" oscillation fits perfect! Schrödinger is happy and sad and.
So please help me with this: metamodernism means agreeing with the postmodern scepticism that we all could live in the matrix, but on the other hand acknowledging that we can't do anything else about it than being conscious of this possibility… and that's why we use the modernist theory that the world is real while keeping in mind that it might not be so?
Also: I'm a political scientist and I'm currently working on a paper that deconstructs mental health problems and stigmata of people with depression andother mental deseases. I would like to know how meta modern values might contribute to fight the stigma and reestabliah mental health as equal necessity as physical health.
Ps: I really like this website keep up the great work!
I love your talk, It seems that at 74 I have been metamodern for the last 30 years. There is a lot of "good" existentialist in you, "good" phenomenologist and most importantly a lot of "good" old-fashioned humanist( here in the US the term "humanist" was highjacked by atheists and materialists, oh so modern…) I also share your worry and struggle with elitism, how to be compassionate when the person you want to be compassionate to, which is everybody, has no idea what you are talking about. I am scratching my head, Confucius comes to mind- get to the core, to the language as a metaphor- "if the king is not a good king it is not a king, but a villain ". Maybe if complexity is saturated with the evolutionary past it may" look " simpler?
There are no canonical set of "Modern Values." Many of the enlightenment values actually originated from the classical era. The enlightenment age was immediately followed by the romantic age and a new set of values such as conservatism. Postmodernism was hardly the first movement to question enlightenment values.


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You don't need to know anything about Kadath to dig Dream Quest [Steam page]. Alec's favourite game of 2014 has been available on PC for some time, though it's more familiar in its tablet guise, but it has finally landed on Steam. Normally, I wouldn't be all that excited about a two year old game appearing in a new store but the previous PC version wasn't all that easy to find. I'd forgotten it existed, truth be told.
When Alec first told me about Dream Quest I looked it up on the Apple store and thought I must have found the wrong game. It looks like someone threw it together over their lunch break. Sixty hours of play later, I reckon there's quite a bit more to it than that.The first time you play Dream Quest you might think it's a crap version of Desktop Dungeons. You choose a class and then explore a tiny randomised dungeon tile by tile. There are themed graphics – you might be in a weird forest or a weird desert or a weird someplace else – but the layout is nonsensical. You'll find shops and monsters and maybe treasure chests. Monsters don't move and you can see what level so the obvious tactic is to find ones at or around your own level so that you can kill them first, then level up and take on the tougher beasties, and eventually the boss of that floor.
Creatures have their own abilities and styles of attack, and defeating them requires careful use of your deck. Zombies, for instance, are feeble but if they bite you, you'll die a few turns later unless you take them out first. Ideally, you'll want a deck that allows you to deal with all kinds of creeps, but building that deck is tricky. You can buy cards, collect them, and ditch them. That last is very important – if you take every card you see, you'll end up with a load of tat that you might draw at the worst possible time.
But whatever course you choose, that first impression will probably be underwhelming at best. There's not a lot going on and that's because Dream Quest is all about unlocking new classes, new cards and new abilities. Stick with it and it becomes a fascinating, tiny, short-form deck-builder. You can play a round in a short break but the real game spreads over many lives and many hours.
My initial reaction faded quickly and I'm with Alec now. Dream Quest is fab.
Dream Quest is £6.99/9,99€/$9.99 on Steam for Windows and Mac.
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Postby ArmChairCivvy » 01 Feb 2019, 19:55
Little J wrote: Isn't it a new bullet design (not the one in the SPC)?
Yes, and as it says in the PPON it is the projectile (what comes out) not a round (that is put in) that is "a given"
- well tested by now (ballistics side of things)
- but leaves it to the manufacturers to decide on the "packaging" and the best way to feed the rounds in (which is what I have called reverse engineering, with weight of gun, its overall size... lots of parameters that have traditionally been fixed (=max'ed or capped) to play with, to bring in some innovation... and get the best result
leaves it to the manufacturers to decide on the "packaging" and the best way to feed the rounds in
Just to clarify. Though it is not excluded, the true "caseless" alternative is unlikely to emerge, as per https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/201 ... tification
- but who knows what technology can offer, this much later!
When the company was still transcribed Dektaryev (WW2) they produced quality firearms.
Now there has been a modification https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/201 ... 2BTrending that could be a solution to the biggest problem with the new (prescribed, ie. mandatory) US projectile: its recoil
- that would be funny... paying a license fee to Russia, for GI Joe's best friend
- though the development is through a Russia/ Czech JV company... so pay to the NATO-country Czech Republic, and the JV will (in due course) pay out dividends
Poiuytrewq
Postby Poiuytrewq » 02 Feb 2019, 15:17
ArmChairCivvy wrote: - well tested by now (ballistics side of things)
Do you have a link which shows the ballistic superiority of this new 6.8mm projectile vs the 6.5mm/7mm equivalents?
I would be interested to see the data.
I think I had linked (upthread) the terminal energy at 250/ 500/750/ 1000 mtrs for 556vs 680vs 762?
- it was an article with such a graphic
- I don't save these but rather use these pages as note paper (sharing and inviting further comments)
Did not find the "final product" testing graphs, but here are some for the precursor, which I was talking about in the below quoted post
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/201 ... s-program/
and when you look at them (relative to existing rounds) they are markedly better. And the ARDEC testing for theirs show better results still, so that's where the 6.8 came from (or was confirmed for commercialisation)
ArmChairCivvy wrote: Military.com has been talking to Textron, about how they got ahead of the curve, while ARDEC was still finessing the new 6.8 GP round
- with "ahead of the curve" I mean that the deadline for prototypes (for testing for the rest of the summer [of 2019]) is June
"We actually used three different bullet shapes and we scaled it," said Paul Shipley, program manager for of Unmanned Systems. "We scaled 5.56mm up, we scaled 7.62mm down and took a low-drag shape and ran that between the two" to create the 125 grain 6.5mm bullet that's slightly longer than the Army's new 130 grain M80A1 Enhanced Performance Round.
Textron officials maintain that the new round retains more energy at 1,200 meters than the M80A1."
Just to illustrate (also relates to the earlier post I quoted in the above post) where the projectile integration to the rest of "the offer(s)" lies as of now, or by the summer the latest, some Q from suppliers answered:
104. Question: The cartridge design will require a new cartridge with its own safety test requirements. Can 270WSM be used in the Bid Sample with the understanding that the cartridge and therefore the prototype, will change slightly?
Response: Yes. The bid sample is not required to be the final configuration. The proposal will need to discuss the changes between the bid sample and the proposed final configuration.
105. Question: Does LCAAP have a cartridge design developed (with safety report) which meets the government's requirements? Can I get POC information for LCAAP in the short term, to allow for early cartridge design?
Response: No, LCAAP does not have a cartridge designed for the 6.8mm projectile.
106. Question: Can I get an example safety report? Are there any agencies, government or private, that you could refer me to, who could assist in completing the required safety report?
Response: See MIL-STD-882E and DI-SAFT-80102C for guidelines on developing a SAR.
107. Question: Can we get enough surrogate projectiles to LAP, test, and provide with the Bid Sample?
Response: Surrogate projectiles for the Bid Sample will be the responsibility of the Offeror and will not be provided by the Government.
132. Question: Common cartridge performs the same for both systems but at different muzzle velocities? Why are the muzzle velocities different?
Response: The NGSW-R and NGSW-AR have different capabilities which will affect the muzzle velocity goal for each weapon. The NGSW-R and NGSW-AR have different roles within the squad which result in different desired capabilities.
151. Question: Why did the Government choose 6.8mm caliber instead of leaving it open?
10 [COPY/ PASTE changes the page numbering from 9, so what is shown on the screen has parts hidden. Any ambigous parts of answers may have been hidden? For later reference?]
Response: The 6.8mm caliber projectile cannot change. A 6.8mm caliber is large enough to achieve Government's required outcomes whereas a 6.5mm caliber cannot.
AND FINALLY, one question brought about a refinement. Indicates that the PON/PPON is quite mature and thoroughly thought out:
110. Question: Prior to the first and second tests, I think that weighing error rates on functions that are sure to be improved during later phases may lead the government passing over what could be better weapons. Getting the geometries for feeding mechanisms and systems right is one example of a challenging and costly task in prototyping.
Response: Thank you. We will take this into consideration for the final NGSW PON
[One of the two weapons is required to be able to switch from belt feed to mags (used on the other one)]
Postby Lord Jim » 03 Feb 2019, 21:27
Well at least we can sit on the fence on this one and wait to see what the US Army ends up with for its money. Please don't let the MoD start a similar research programme under the Guise of what the MDP objective of being innovative.
mr.fred
Postby mr.fred » 13 Apr 2019, 09:39
Over in the Warrior thread, There's been a bit of discussion on shoulder launched AT and the comparison between reusable launchers like the CarlGustav and disposable weapons like the NLAW and ASM / Matador. It's interesting, but probably belongs here more that there.
Personally I favour the disposables as they are simpler and, for a round and launcher, lighter. The CG wins out over more rounds (more than two for the ASM and more than one vs the NLAW), but that's before anything other than iron sights or ammunition carriers. In the case of the NLAW, the disposable system is also much more capable*.
With disposable systems, every round of ammunition is usable, without a separate launcher, so you can disperse the capability across sections or fireteams.
*the NLAW has a much larger warhead (100mm+ vs <84mm) and has an Overfly Top Attack (OTA) capability. Compared with the Javelin profile, which goes up before diving down, the NLAW flies level and uses sensors to detonate the warhead as the missile flies over the target. The Swedish BILL missile does the same thing and is where the technology comes from.
Postby ArmChairCivvy » 13 Apr 2019, 10:10
mr.fred wrote: that's before anything other than iron sights or ammunition carriers. In the case of the NLAW, the disposable system is also much more capable*.
I agree that this is the place (initially you suggested vehicle mounting to give a quick reaction capability, while the dismounts err, dismount (if that is practical).
- I agreed, but then somehow the discussion was directed to an either/ or vs. autocannon
RE; the quote, NLAW can also be effectively used in other than pitch-dark conditions with (e.g.) NLAW VV3X (Patria) nightsight
- under strict orders not to leave that part behind
mr.fred wrote: NLAW has a much larger warhead (100mm+ vs <84mm) and has an Overfly Top Attack (OTA) capability
I tried to find a vid (they are on the web, but browsers are getting worse ) to illustrate the downward firing charge (and function): "The oversized 150mm warhead combine with the OTA seeks to increase the effectiveness against main battle tanks. With a total weight of 12.5kg (27.5lb) and 1.02m length it is intended to be carried and used as a dispose after use weapon. NLAW was first fielded in 2009 and is now in service in the United Kingdom, Sweden, Finland, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, and Switzerland"
Now that we have taken two steps fwrd, to move the discussion onto this thread, let me take one back, namely:
breach-loaded mortars are not of much use in anti-tank role, though against other targets they (e.g. AMOS/ NEMO) can work out to 1 km in direct fire mode
- whether it is possible to fire (with a low loading) an NLAW-like mortar bomb, before its own rocket motor igniting, is an interesting question
- e.g. the mentioned sensor (to detonate the charge at the right time) would have to withstand the higher g's that would go with such a method. The Ruskies (and Ukrainians, helping e.g. Cockerill) do launch missiles with much longer range through the tank cannon barrel... with a different purpose: to extend the engagement range
There is no right place for this one: perhaps supporting a single squad, pinned down, and a wheeled platform making it into close proximity fast enough and carrying enough varieties of rounds/ bombs for 'all occasions'
... while definitely not being a squad weapon
Postby Lord Jim » 13 Apr 2019, 13:20
I have little doubt that NLAW is a good weapon system, but there is also a place for the CG especially in tis light weight M4 guise. It is now as portable as the ever present RPG-7 and it family but has access to smarter and more varied ammunition types and it is here that the real usefulness of the Weapon system exists.
With its substantial weight loss the M4 CG has given he weapon a new lease of life and after he US Army Rangers had great success with its immediate predecessor the M3, the US Army is now considering making it general issue and the USMC plans to use it to replace its existing SMAW. IT has recently also been adopted by the Australian Army and many others are rediscovering the weapon.
The UK is falling back into its old ways by reducing the fire power of its infantry now we are basically back on a peace time footing with operations in the Middle East finally winding down (hopefully). The idea of reducing the load each soldier carries is a laudable objective, but how we configure the Infantry must not be based on the Last War manual.
We scrambled left and right to increase the range and weight of firepower the infantry were able to lay down, using UORs to obtain everything from modified M72s, to AT4s to 60mm Mortars and so on. The Army now has the NLAW and Matador, though there are quite a few comments on various blogs that the troops are not totally happy with the latter. To these we add Javelin which is the Infantry's hardest hitting weapon, but has been used as a very effective but expensive bunker buster in resent conflicts. Should we be looking at something that has a similar capability but cheaper?
Many nations have adopted the guidance kit to turn the air launched fin stabilised rocket into precision weapons, as a much cheaper alternative to AGMs and ATGMs Would it be possible to have a ground launched version, using the same laser seeker? There are many light weight MLRS systems out there mounted on 4x4s or even man packed. Surely it would be worth looking at and if one takes into account the number of warhead options the CVR-7 we use on the Apache has from HE to Flechette to smoke have a system able to be carried and launched by the Infantry would give them a weapon system with good range and accuracy, and negate the need to use expensive guided missiles in roles for which they have been pressed onto service. WE have limited stocks and in a high intensity conflict they are going to be needed for use against the threat they were designed for.
Lord Jim wrote: it would be worth looking at and if one takes into account the number of warhead options the CVR-7 we use on the Apache has from HE to Flechette to smoke have a system able to be carried and launched by the Infantry would give them a weapon system with good range and accuracy
We could have an Apache on four wheels, having the cannon as a suppression weapon and the guided rockets for launching from a bit further back, by infantry actually designating the targets (after calling the 'fires').
- jltv is easy to associate wit infantry
- with Shinkensi's air-mech the plan was to reduce Abrams weight (by trading down to a 105 mm gun, and then compensate for the firepower and range loss by attaching guided rockets to the sides of the turret)... that was a while back
70mm rockets like the CRV7 or 120mm launched munitions are hardly section weapons. Vehicle-mounted weapons are their own thing
The same applies, albeit to a lesser degree, to the CG. It may be able to fire lots of different natures, but each one needs it's own round, which makes it more suited to a dedicated team at platoon, company or battalion level. Compared to a Javelin, it is short ranged, inaccurate and lacks the observation capability. It is very much cheaper, which is no bad thing.
Section firepower is an interesting topic, to which we should ask: what is firepower?
It it the effect you have on the enemy or the amount of ammunition you can convert into noise?
In terms of shoulder launched weapons. We've gone from the AT4 to NLAW, from something that might reach to 300m and might trouble an obsolescent MBT to something that will reach out to 600m and stands a good chance of killing a modern MBT. We've gone from M72 to Matador, again going from 200m to 400m and a substantial increase in explosive weight. That sounds like a firepower increase to me.
Agreed we are moving towards Platoon or even Company level kit here. Don't get me wrong the NLAW and Matador are improvements on what came before, but the sections are going to be down to just the L85s, one with a G/L and the DMR. Hopefully there will be some L7s at platoon level at that is where the CGs would fit in. The Javelins are spread about, and the suggestion I made was for a weapon system to do the job we have been using the Javelin for in Iraq and Afghanistan, name engaging buildings and other location occupied by the enemy, that would be cheaper to buy and use. Again it would be spread about the unit. We do still attach weapons teams to Sections I assume, or so they operate totally independently?
mr.fred wrote: Section firepower is an interesting topic, to which we should ask: what is firepower?
A good point, as we are now in April of 2019, the below attempted to give an answer:
"Reports that the British Army was firmly considering moving away from suppression in favour of precision in infantry fire-fights surfaced at a specialist Soldier Technology conference in London in early 2016 and at a Future Soldier Technology conference this spring more detail surfaced. One of the current underlying British Army's mantras is 'Fight Light' and in this context casting some weapons types might make sense.
Both the 5.56mm L86A2, generally known as the Light Support Weapon, and the 5.56mm L110A3 Light Machine Gun, the FN Minimi, will be withdrawn from service at the end of the current fiscal year (i.e. by April 2019), along with the M6C-640 60mm mortar. It has been stated that to partially compensate for this reduction in firepower of the infantry section the number of 7.62mm L129A1 Sharpshooter rifles could be increased, but to date there is no sign of an order being placed for more of these, and it has also been hinted that the hand-held mortar will be replaced by another system currently under
evaluation." from 12 Aug 2018
UK News, joint-forces.com
As we have over 3000 of those rifles, assuming 1 per section would cover 21.000 front line infantry
- scale that with the A-stan numbers, of the total deployed (at peak) 3000 were frontline infantry. For the sniper's number two, for A-stan needs the MoD purchased 580 PLRF 15C' Pocket laser Rangefinders from the Swiss company Vectronix in 2008.
- I presume that at normal section level there is no number two, but all optics used are attached to the weapon? Take the specialists away, and you can still kit out 2000 sections and have a good number in armouries. As the trained infantry numbers hover around 25k (add 10% on top, from Gurkhas in infantry roles... and not forgetting the RM) how many sections does that make?
Precision fire could almost be seen as harking back to the days of the L1A1 with the troops using carefully aimed semi-auto fire to engage the opposition. Now I know full auto with a 7.62 Battle Rifle was more like one shot on target the rest aimed at low flying aircraft, but precision fire can limit the frontage a given formation can supress to any extent. Now this may work in situation like Afghanistan but what happens when you are engaging an opponent who has a major numerical advantage backed up by their own suppressive fire capability.
I might not be explaining this well but I worry that the "Fight Light", mantra maybe one of those ideas that sound great in the class room but has little bearing on what happens in a firefight. Are we making the capabilities of the Infantry so taught that the number of casualties it can suffer before not being able to effectively control it frontage becomes too few.
It is amazing how many times people have tried to remove the 7.62 GPMG from the Infantry Section in many armies yet when a conflict erupts they seem to find their way back either officially or unofficially. I think a similar thing happened in the Falklands where stocks of old 7.62 LMGs (Brens) were emptied overnight.
If we are going to pursue this "Fight Light", doctrine an extensive series of very realistic exercises at least up to Company level need to be undertaken, investigating various load outs for the Infantry from Fire Team upwards, to identify the best compromise between fire power and mobility. This also needs to include their transport platforms and what additional stores these are to carry as well as examine the more sci fi unmanned platforms like those being trialled by the US Army.
Lord Jim wrote: this may work in situation like Afghanistan but what happens when you are engaging an opponent who has a major numerical advantage backed up by their own suppressive fire capability.
Our Finnish friend here (can't remember which one as there seems to be two) gave some guidance on this aspect, how it has been considered (when I was quoting old numbers). Something like this:
Section 8 ->9
Platoon 30 ->45
BG 1500-1700 -> 2400
Can you remember any further details. I seem to remember that the Finns had a quite a few PKs scattered around including one on a dedicated AA mount. IF we gave the L7s back to the Sections as a starting point I would be happier. They will already be carrying two types of ammunition so that argument is mute, and I doubt any soldier would begrudge carrying a belt of 7.62 in addition to his personal load if it meant they where bringing a L7 to the party. A well trained gunner on a L7 can put precision burst down range consistently but also has the ability, to increase his rate of fire to compensate for the movement of a fire team.
A few nations, Sweden amongst them, have gone on to develop lighter variants of the FN MAG by modifying their existing weapons, so for use to look at doing the same would be a fairly inexpensive route to take if needed and far cheaper then buying a new platform. Saying all that I think we have been over this ground before so will leave it there.
Lord Jim wrote: Can you remember any further details.
Vaguely: the increased section size gives 3 three fire teams... 2 (!) with a PK in it.
- additionally about every third man has an AT weapon of some kind. At the section level mainly the 66 mm LAW-like weapons
- the above needs to have its ' strategic measurements' compared to NLAW (brackets) as the former is for dealing with IFVs and the latter with MBTs
Reach 300m (600m)
Penetration 300mm (500mm) - note OTA option for NLAW
Weight 3.3 kg (12.5 kg)... if you need to be dragging something like that around, I would give the bloke an AR (or RK for the Finns) with a folding stock so as to save him from constantly clobbering himself
The weight (comes with weight of fire, as a bonus) to me would suggest that this is for dismounts - not normal infantry. Jaeger units' dismounts enjoying protected mobility (but far from being AI - who do exist, but in small numbers. Can't be huge as IFVs i the country total 200 in all)
Postby Poiuytrewq » 15 Apr 2019, 13:33
ArmChairCivvy wrote: ...the British Army was firmly considering moving away from suppression in favour of precision in infantry fire-fights...
A possible precursor to changing the 5.56 for something heavier both in terms of weight and recoil?
A good plan as long as you can see the enemy, optics etc would need to improve.
Poiuytrewq wrote: A possible precursor to changing the 5.56 for something heavier both in terms of weight and recoil?
With their current 5,56 ammo, the British Army think they have sufficient range until they need to change calibre due to NATO/US adopting a new one. They believe the current 5.56 ammo is capable of delivering precision fore out to 600m. Add to that the fire from the Section intended 7.62 DMR and that is the structure of the Section with regards to small arms.
Lord Jim wrote: Precision fire could almost be seen as harking back to the days of the L1A1 with the troops using carefully aimed semi-auto fire to engage the opposition.
But wasn't that also the time when the section machine gun was a belt-fed GPMG?
Given the battle drills featuring the Lee Enfield and Bren focussed on the Bren as a base of fire, why should the SLR/GPMG mix remove emphasis from the machine gun?
Lord Jim wrote: Now I know full auto with a 7.62 Battle Rifle was more like one shot on target the rest aimed at low flying aircraft, but precision fire can limit the frontage a given formation can supress to any extent.
Can it? Is it always the case, or only sometimes, or rarely? How do you define "suppression" and how do you measure it?
Lord Jim wrote: Now this may work in situation like Afghanistan but what happens when you are engaging an opponent who has a major numerical advantage backed up by their own suppressive fire capability.
That would seem to me to be the textbook situation for artillery rather than expect your section firepower to deal with it. Furthermore, if you measure suppression purely by weight of ammunition expended I fear that you may be missing something.
Lord Jim wrote: I might not be explaining this well but I worry that the "Fight Light", mantra maybe one of those ideas that sound great in the class room but has little bearing on what happens in a firefight. Are we making the capabilities of the Infantry so taught that the number of casualties it can suffer before not being able to effectively control it frontage becomes too few.
Where do the classroom instructors come from? How do you know that it isn't your ideas that seem sound in theory but are lacking in practice?
Lord Jim wrote: If we are going to pursue this "Fight Light", doctrine an extensive series of very realistic exercises at least up to Company level need to be undertaken, investigating various load outs for the Infantry from Fire Team upwards, to identify the best compromise between fire power and mobility. This also needs to include their transport platforms and what additional stores these are to carry as well as examine the more sci fi unmanned platforms like those being trialled by the US Army.
And you know that this sort of investigation has not occurred how?
Lord Jim wrote: They believe the current 5.56 ammo is capable of delivering precision fore out to 600m.
Depends on your definition of precision. A 5.56 round over 300m in high wind is a lottery and even in windless conditions trying to maintain even 2 MOA at 600m is tough. The LSW makes life a bit easier with the longer barrel and bipod but really it's the 5.56 round that's running out of steam.
An intermediate 6.5mm or 7mm round would really help out to 600m and if high rates of fully automatic fire wasn't normally required then the concerns about excessive recoil and barrel heating would be less of an issue.
My comment about suitable optics I think is valid. Obviously if you can't see it you can't hit it but high magnification optics on fully automatic weapons leads to big trouble very quickly, especially in hot weather. Is the 4x ELCAN really the right choice for precision out 600m and beyond? Generally 1x magnification per 100m is a good rule of thumb so maybe an upgrade up to 6x would sensible whilst still maintaining a CQB sight for the close stuff. In low light conditions this would make a big difference to help make the first few rounds count.
Maybe the best time to make a fundamental change would be when the L85A3 finally bows out. Procuring another 5.56 weapon to replace the L85 would seem unwise but if an ammo change is in the pipeline will the US and the rest of NATO have made up their minds by the mid 2020's? Highly unlikely.
RunningStrong
Postby RunningStrong » 15 Apr 2019, 21:23
Nope. British army states a fire team can suppress at 600m, not an individual.
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One Year in the Life of the SAULs
By John Slaughter
This article was published in the August 2019 edition of Soul Search, the Journal of The Sole Society
Some months ago I thought that it might be an interesting idea to write an article for the journal reporting on events that happened in the lives of our Saul ancestors in a particular year. British newspaper archives are increasingly being digitised and being made available online, so using the newspaper archives at findmypast I did a search on the Saul name. I decided that it would be best to take a census year as this would give me a better chance of being able to identify the individuals concerned. So I hit on the year 1881. There were, of course, thousands of results, but the vast majority of these could be ignored. The funeral march "Dead March in Saul" came up many many times, as did Saul as a first name and there were also many instances where Saul was a mistranscription of another word. But sorting the chaff from the wheat still produced some interesting articles.
Harriet Saul, a widow of Bond Street, Ipswich, gave evidence at the inquest into the suspicious death of Priscilla Rosamund Hubbard, also of Bond Street. Harriet said that she had known the deceased for the last three years and she had last seen her alive on the morning of Monday week at about 10am. The deceased was sitting by the fire in her back room and said "Oh Mrs Saul, I am bad". She said that on Sunday night her husband had come home angry and had ill used her. Many others gave evidence and the jury's verdict was of manslaughter, the husband being sent for trial. The trial took place in February of 1881 but on that actual date Harriet was ill and unable to give evidence in person. It appears that she had been examined and cross examined off site and her evidence at the Magistrates Court was also admitted in evidence. Harriet appears on the 1881 census at 20 Bond Street, Ipswich, a widow, aged 54 years, the only other occupant being her daughter Alice (14). She was the widow of Frederick Saul, a shoemaker, who had died in 1878. Frederick was a native of Ipswich though his father John had been born in Lavenham, Suffolk and was one of a few that we know had made that journey.
TOP: 32 Waterloo Street, Leamington today where Arthur Saul lived at the time of his first appearance in court. By the time of the 1881 census later that year he was living at 4 Portland Street (BOTTOM). With thanks to Diana Sellwood for the images.
Arthur Saul of 32 Waterloo Street, Leamington appears twice in the same newspaper, the Leamington Spa Courier on 15 January 1881. The first report states that he was awarded 12s 6d for work that he did on a house in Queen Street, where his employer had failed to pay. The second appearance in court was when he got into an altercation with a Henry Sutton, a naturalist over 2s that was due to Saul for a rabbit skin. Saul pleaded guilty to an assault and was fined 4s 6d. I think he must be the Arthur Henry Saul of Leamington who appears on the 1881 census at 4 Portland Street together with his wife Rhoda.
In 1882 they and their young son Arthur emigrated to Australia on board the Duke of Devonshire which arrived in Australia on 2 April 1883. They had seven more children all born in Toowoomba, Queensland before the family moved again to Dunedin, New Zealand. It could be that the events of 1881 played a part in the family deciding to go "Down Under'. Arthur Henry's parents were Henry Saul and Jane (nee Flavel). Earlier generations have been traced back to Horley, Oxfordshire.
On 24 February 1881 a serious accident happened at a block of buildings being erected in Windermere Park, Windermere, Westmorland now Cumbria. Four men were working on a partition wall when it collapsed. The most severely injured was Joseph Saul of Ambleside who was conveyed home on a stretcher. On examination it was found that both his shoulder blades had been broken, he had several severe cuts to his face and head, and it was feared he had injuries to his ribs and possibly internal injuries. The collapse of the wall was attributed to the effects of frost on the mortar, one side having been thawed by the heat of the sun. Another newspaper report states that Joseph Saul was "a native of Ambleside" so I think it is highly likely that he was the Joseph Saul born at Ambleside in 1855 to William Saul and Ann (nee Backhouse). On the 1881 census he was a visitor in a household at Undermillback, Westmorland, unmarried, aged 26 years, a stonemason. Subsequent newspaper reports chart his recovery from his injuries. He received specialist care from a Liverpool doctor and despite the severity of his injuries it was expected that he would make a robust recovery. This would seem to have been the case as he went on to have a full life marrying twice, had seven children by his first and became a successful auctioneer and estate agent, dying in Southport in 1936. Joseph's ancestry has been connected back quite a long way and almost certainly connects to the Saul Quaker families that were prominent in that part of England.
The Norfolk Mercury on 2 March 1881 carries a report that Robert Page of Hanworth, shopkeeper, sued Samuel Saul of Metton, labourer for £2 2s 2d, the balance of an account for goods sold. Defendants wife appeared and said that she had no dealings with Robert Page for 14 years but this was proved otherwise and had even paid some monies off of the account in 1879. Judgement was awarded, with costs, against Samuel Saul to be paid off at the rate of 2s a month. Samuel appears at Metton on the 1881 census, aged 47 years, an agricultural labourer together with his wife Elizabeth and three children. He was born in Thurgarton, Norfolk in 1832 the eldest son of Samuel Saul and Sarah (nee Ward). I have traced this Saul line back a further two generations to a William Saul and Mary Waterson who married at Sustead, Norfolk in 1786. As regards the shopkeeper I could not find Robert Page on the 1881 census, but he seems to have been very generous with his credit, and not much of a businessman if he allowed that level of credit to build up.
John Saul, poulterer and fishmonger, of Wellington Street, Aldershot was summoned by the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals for exposing for sale in his shop after 15th March nine wild ducks and three widgeons. Inspector Roe of the RSPCA had entered the shop and saw the wild fowl. He informed the Secretary of the Society who brought the proceedings as it was contrary to an Act of Parliament to sell wild fowl after the 15th March. The defense included a Mr Franks from whom the fowls were purchased. He proved that the birds were Dutch and not English and did not come within the meaning of the Act. Case dismissed. On the 1881 census John Saul is to be found at 5 Sebastopol Terrace, Aldershot, aged 40 years, born Retford, Nottinghamshire. His wife Annie was aged 25 years and a niece Elizabeth Saul was also resident. They had one servant. John's father was Solomon Saul who changed his name from Saul Solomon sometime around the 1870's and about whom I have previously written.
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