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69: Movies That Make Us Cry
August 25, 2022 Alex Withrow & Nick Dostal
In this emotional and fun episode, Alex and Nick highlight movies they can count on for a good cry. The guys discuss happy, sad, and inspiring movie cries, film as therapy, Denzel Washington as the movie crier GOAT, losing loved ones, making friends, and so much more. (Cry Count: Alex, 1 — Nick, 0).
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Hey, everyone, welcome to what are you watching? I'm Alex Withrow, and I'm joined by my best man, Nick Dostal. How you doing there? Jesus Shuttlesworth. Oh, my God. Yes. Yes. I finally got you to watch it. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. And I am. I'm excited to be here. Yeah, it's going to be. An emotional day. Movies that make us cry. We're really excited to do this. You know, we've, like, circled this topic a lot because we kind of get emotional talking about movies and sometimes and how certain events in our life we relate them to movies or movies relate to those events. It's crazy, but we enjoy talking about these movies. We enjoy showing a little emotion and movies that make us cry is not just one thing. It doesn't just mean movies that we think are, like sad and traumatic could make us bawl because they're horrific. It's not that it could be that, but it's also movies that make us cry because they leave us with a profound sense of joy or love or happiness. So those are two categories, right there. And then I thought of a final category that might produce the most cries for me, which is pure cinema cries or like those inspiring moments in cinema that aren't, they're not sad, they're not necessarily happy. They're just like, everything goes well with the movie. It could be cinematography, working in our favor, matched with score, matched with acting, of course. Matched with just everything. Everything just clicks. This this can last for 10 seconds. Yeah. I mean, Terrence Malick can capture this, you know, in 10 seconds, and I can get, like, a little shiver, and then my head will still be back there in that 10/2 shot and, like, want to cry about it. But we've moved on to, you know, something else. But those are the categories that we're thinking of here. But, you know, just in general, we're talking about crying today. Are you crier in life like art? Do you consider yourself a crier and what makes you cry? Generally, I'm actually not a very big crier, but this is the thing I do this thing where I get very, very welled up. I approach the crying threshold and a tear may come out or I may get like like weepy or not weepy, but like misty. But it's not a full on cry. And so when I have full on cries, I'm like, so appreciative of them. Yeah, but it's very rare for me to actually get into like a sob. But I've realized that I've reached my crying, like, line with movies a lot. Oh, yeah, me too. More than anything, that's. Yes, yes. For sure. In pudding, we talked about this category. Since day one, this has been a long standing idea that we've had and we've always liked it. But for whatever reason, it took us now to get here. Well, we almost did this as one of our top ten or first ten episodes because we planned out those episodes. They were very carefully kind of curated and I don't know what we did. Instead, it might have even been movies based on plays, but so that's how long we've been talking about doing this. Yeah, exactly. And now that I've put together this unbelievably long list of movies, that's when I realized. That I can cry a lot. It's awesome. I mean, yeah, I definitely the thing. My biggest triggers for tears are movies, there's no question. That's just the way it's always been. I'm I don't have any block about crying in my life. I will. I definitely I'm definitely not opposed to it or shy about it. There's nothing like that. It's like, Hey, if something is moving me cool, something's really sad and it gets you. You know, I've talked about crying on this podcast like really recently. So I think in life I've gone through certain periods. It's because of where I was at emotionally when like I wouldn't cry in movies or really like in life at all. And then it took a movie to like break that. And I'm going to talk about a few of those today. And it took like a sequence in a movie to just let the tears flow. And then I'd go on like, you know, a 5 to 7 year streak of crying very easily, and then maybe I get emotionally balled up again. And it's always been a movie that broke that open for me again. And I've never gone looking for it. I'm never like, Oh God, I need a good cry. It just happens. And not all of them, but a number of the scenes I'm going to reference today, they may not be like standard crying scenes. Yeah, people cry in and that's what's so cool about it because all this has to do with our personal experience, what we've been through, what haunts us, what makes us happy, all that stuff. That's what that's what's so cool about this. These are so subjective to the point that we have not shared our list with each other. Like I've talked about a number of these on previous podcasts. We're going to get to all that. I'm not going to you know, if we've gone down and told like a pretty sad story, I don't want to keep telling it over and over necessarily. I could guide people to maybe which episode it is. But you know, I've referenced some of these movies before, but there's a lot of things here that I have never talked about on this podcast before, and I'm really excited that I have no actual idea. The ones you're going to mention, it's just cool. Yeah. And we and we really did kind of break these down in ways where there's a certain, I don't know if theme is the right word, but there's a certain album sense that is a reoccurring theme that I will always cry because these movies tackle a certain thing that makes me sad. Yeah, I have one. I have one of those. But it doesn't. It's not something that makes me sad. It's something that always makes me happy. But I was making my happy list. I went, Oh, wow. There's like, there's quite a few movies in here that make me cry for one exact reason. So I broke that out into, like, a fun little top five. You know what. I just realized? About what? How it's just a click to me. As I was telling the story of how I cry and how I reached that line. I actually think that it's because of acting. Well, yeah, I was going to mention this before we got on to our list, but yeah, Keegan. There's there is a, not a rule that's not the right word at all, but there is a sort of idea that's expressed when you're acting. That ness is not necessarily no one wants to see you break down in tears. They want to see you get to that point and then try to close it up because it's much more interesting to see someone like with the with a Boyle like coming over the edge then rather than just take the whole entire lid off. Right. I think that might actually be a reason as to why I might do that, because that's been ingrained in me for frickin years. Yeah. And then you were in one of my movies and I said, Where the lid. Comes all the way the fuck off here, but I want to see the. Tears. I would say no, but what I was going to say is that I've. I have had some difficulty with directing a male performer to cry. Yeah. Get to the tears. It's, you know, I understand it's a very vulnerable thing to have happen when the camera's right in front of you and someone saying, do it, do it, go. And that was I you know, we sat down before we made I'm Alive our last movie. And I said, like, you don't have to bring it in every chapter because the movie's about 30 minutes long and it's split into five parts. But you are going to have to like hysterically sob in one of them. And then the thing you're talking about like kind of get to that place and keep it there for another chapter. So, you know, can you do this? And it's something like, I don't know, can can anyone as an actor, like, can you even answer that? I think. So. Too, to a director ahead of time. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I knew that it's like it's such an open ended question. I wasn't like, Can you do this? I remember very clearly setting the expectations for you and saying, This is where I expect us to go. If you want to give me more, that's always an option. But this is where we need to hit. And you. Did. And I think I think it's. Just I know this is a side tangent, but I know Leonardo DiCaprio talks about crying is very hard a lot he's he cries in almost every single movie he's. Yeah. He's a great crier he's a great crier. Great crier. Yeah. I remember when he was younger, he would talk in interviews to be like it was a really hard day to day. I had to cry today. And so I feel like every actor kind of has their own way if they know that that's what the job is and that's what they have to do and they have to get there, then you kind of have to find your way. All right. Let's get into these lists. We're going to start with the sad ones because, you know, we're just going to get the all the sad ones out of the way. Okay. Some are. Some are, you know, quite, quite sad. I'm going to start with there are four here that I have referenced pretty heavily on previous podcast episodes. So I was going to get some of those out of the way. And then I figure if you have any on your sad list that you've talked about a lot, we could do that as well and kind of knock them out. I think that's a. Good idea for our mad movie buffs here. What are you watching? I'm sure you've heard Alex and I talk a lot about these movies that make us cry, so you probably already know what we're about to say. So we figured we'd kind of get these ones out of the way a little bit. So we're not just spouting off the same old diatribes. Right? Right. So I'll start with if there is a movie. If someone goes, what is the number one movie that can make you cry? It's no question it is. Antwone Fisher, directed by Denzel Washington, released in 2002. This is the only movie that is on my list today. Twice it's in the sad column and the happy column. And I talked about this my relationship to this movie a lot and all the way back in episode five, memorable movie going experiences and Episode 32 movies that inspired me to direct. But essentially I lost a very, very dear friend of mine when I was 17. It was a car. He was in a car accident on Christmas evening, and he died as a result of his injuries on New Year's Day. And it was just it was so devastating and brutal. And this was the first movie I saw after that. And this is a very emotional movie for a number of different reasons. But so that like just because the the movie's emotional, that's what kind of opened the door and helped me. It wasn't accept my friend's death. I was far from acceptance but just be like, okay, to start the process of understanding what was happening, which may have included not understanding it, because how can you, you know, understand black ice in the middle of the road? It's like it's just a damn thing that happens. But as I'm watching the movie, unlike relating to this character so much, because it's all about this kid who's been beat down his whole life and no one believes in him. And he's, you know, I'm still standing. I'm still strong. And that's the saddest part of this film to me. And there's, you know, there's violence in it against the child. It's PG 13, but it's it's done very tastefully. This is all based on a true story, of course. But there's one point when the real Antwone Fisher, as played by Derek Luke, has just he's literally reached the end of his therapeutic rope and therapy is not working. His therapist is played by Denzel Washington and he just arrives in his office and there's a bunch of patients waiting and Antoine loses it. You need a healing. You need a healing, and you just start screaming in this office and then they get called. He calls them into a back room. And basically this whole confrontation, which is very heated, which breaks every therapeutic line, every military line, you know, is you are addressing a superior officer. And it just quite simply ends with Antoine. Almost whispering goes, I don't know what to do. Yeah, like, what do I do? I don't know what to do. And that I mean, Denzel can't even respond to that. Antoine leaves and the look on Denzel's face of like. Fuck, like. Oh, man, it just it all got distilled right down into that. Like this kid. This is my job. I'm supposed to help this kid figure out tools of what to do, and it's just. Oh, it just gutted me. It still guts me to this. To this day. There was so much I saw so much of me in this story, even though we have there's nothing in my background that is similar to Antoine's, but oh God, it just it kills me every time. And so that's my number one. And I've definitely referenced this movie a lot on the podcast, but yeah, had it if we're talking about movies to make us cry. Antwone Fisher is number one. And I want to talk about this too, because I watched it for the first time last night in preparing for this and because this is a movie that you have talked about so much. So yeah, it was the perfect time. And again, like one of the things that we always talk about and what are you watching is like when you know a certain thing about a movie that's in relation to somebody that, you know, you take that movie on a little bit differently, you're seeing it through a different lens and and that's exactly what happened. So I really, really enjoyed this movie because I felt like you were right next to me and the moments that were hitting. I could almost understand what those were for you. Yeah. As a, you know, as an as an empathetic person, I also thought that this movie did a really cool thing that I've never actually seen done when it comes to therapy, because I think there's so many different movies that have that dynamic of the the patient and the therapist and what that is. And this is kind of a sped up process because it's a movie. But I thought that the way that those scenes broke down were some of the best expressions of what therapy can do for somebody. Antwone Fisher is coming into every single one of these sessions at a peak breaking point in terms of his anger. Yeah, but and he's very defiant. And what we get and this usually takes a very long time in the process of therapy, is that it takes a lot to uncover what that is, what that moment is like. Whoa. Okay. What is this moment of anger stemming to? And then as the movie goes, we're seeing like, you know, okay, it's this scene, this scene, this these are the moments as these moments become revealed. And he starts accepting them and he starts the process of forgiving them, and you can see how his life starts to get a little bit better. It's really an allegory. I thought, for what the process of therapy really is and how it is such a useful and vital tool for so many people. I really appreciated that cause I had never seen anything done quite as good as that. Yeah. I mean, we've seen therapy and movies before. Ordinary People, Goodwill Hunting, which is borrowing very heavily from ordinary people. But this is the best I've seen it done. And I was at the age where I realized, you know, because of this movie, that maybe I should be talking to someone too. So first time I went to therapy was because of this movie and just starting that process. And that's kind of what is so interesting about the movie is that it's, you know, he goes in there for fighting, he has to end. He's just mandatory three sessions and like you're not getting shit done yet. You're not getting exact not with his baggage. Like, not at all. But three sessions you're going to be like, why did that fight start? Well, he called me a name and then you could talk about that for three sessions. Like, you're not getting to what triggers those are setting off. And that all comes about. He's like, Yeah, the sessions. That's correct. Can't be changed in regulation. No, that's correct. Then what do I do? Because I don't know what to do. Yeah, we got to move on because what we did. We did because we could talk about it forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My next one, I'm going to go. These are kind of a little rapid fire, but Brokeback Mountain, they are very. S on mind. Jack, I swear. Is it? I mean, just episode 28, we talked about that in-depth Heath Ledger podcast, Jack, I swear is it's just it's a thing of stunning, stunning simplicity and beauty because of that simplicity. Yes. And I got to see this movie and I saw it in the theater in 2005, but they played it, oh, just a couple of months ago. And I remember texting you because they're showing stuff now in like these 4K restorations. And I was like this. It's stunning. This is a ten out of ten A-plus masterpiece movie. It's certainly one of my ten favorite of this century so far. And just like this ending is a perfect reason why. Just because of that ending, there's so many great crying moments throughout the movie. Oh, I mean, I wish I knew how to quit you is. Yeah, that's like, what gets it going? That kind of gets it gets the tears, you know? And then by the time you get to Jack, I swear, you're like, Jesus, man. It's sometimes it's it's the sense of urgency like that. And that and that's closed off that, that will get me. But yeah, that and seeing what he's holding that jacket, I mean, come on now. I mean that is pure cinema in that way. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Number one, I've talked about a lot in episode five and moreover, in episode 45 when we completely broke down Steve McQueen Shame. It's just that final montage and he's checking the voicemail and you hear, we're not bad people, we just come from a bad place. And where that montage ends, I, you know, I understand everything that's going on, but when it ends on what looks like his skeletal remains of a face and he's just thinking this complete horror, having completed his binge, I was just sobbing the first time I saw that getting very odd looks from the two people I've seen the movie. With because. They're like, What is wrong with you? Aren't you? Okay? And I always feel that emotion. The music has a lot to do with that, you know, there's no natural sound by the time the sequence ends. So, yeah, I can't I can't do a list like this without mentioning shame. Of course. Of course. I was waiting for when that was going to happen. Thank you. What's one from you? So, I mean, the two biggest ones that I have are basically referenced throughout so many episodes of our pod. But I think they're most talked about in episode one. But our top ten favorite movies, the first one is Inception. It they're cool. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I could watch one movie and cry at a certain moment, let's say. And then if I watch that movie again, maybe I don't cry in that moment anymore. That's fair. Yes. You know. Sometimes it just hits you right there. But these are movies that will no matter what, I will always lose it. So for me, the biggest moment in inception is at the very end when they're in like the the fourth layer. Leo is talking with Marion Cotillard and he's accepting that he needs to let her go. Right. That's just because, like I was in a situation where I was hung up on a relationship that I couldn't let go, like I just couldn't. And watching Leo do that gave me permission to start letting go. So, yeah. If anyone listening to this pilot thinks that that's, like, weird, then you might be listening to the. Wrong Ponch. Yeah, because we're going to get there. Yeah, yeah. This is us. We're getting as real as it is. Like, I have movies that made me. Help me realize so many pivotal things in my life. Absolutely. Yeah, this was huge. And now every time I rewatch this movie, I'll cry at that scene. But it's not so much because I'm having, like, that raw wound open because it's not anymore. But I'm reminded that I know that I've lived a certain experience and I get to take that with me now. So in a weird way it becomes almost like a happy cry now because. Yeah. I've grown from it and I can, I can appreciate that level of emotion and that feeling and what that is. So I'm sort of just kind of reminding myself that I've lived life and there's like an appreciation for that in a weird way and still be sad about it because that's the movie moment, right? I love that. But I will never forget that moment in the theater when that was happening the first time and just losing it, just completely losing it. I definitely got welled up during one scene. The first time I saw Inception, and that was that shot of Jesus, Joseph Gordon-Levitt just in that hallway and it's spinning and he's crawling on it. And I thought that was such pure cinema. Yeah, music is boom. And I was like, Oh my God, I've never seen something like this. And I knew it wasn't a visual effect. I could tell they were doing it in-camera. And I, I just got such chills that I wanted to, like, cry almost. And that is this is not the only time Christopher Nolan's going to be talked about on this podcast for this exact reason. Exactly. And then the other one, I mean, anyone who knows us knows that. I'm going to talk about Terminator two. Oh, yeah, of course. Thumbs up, baby. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. And it's just because, like, I didn't have a father figure growing up when I was a kid at that age. So watching somebody come in for Edward Furlong's character to fill that role so heroically because that's what the movie is. And then also having a badass mom, I realized that this is a theme when something is leaving that you don't want to have. Go, Oh yeah, oh yeah. I think that's just something that we all have. If you love something or you don't have something and then you get it and then you have to say goodbye to it. It's just so rough. That is a movie that no matter what, I will watch that straight through and and I'll get excited to do it. I actually get excited to start to cry. Oh yeah, because I know it's coming. And then I'm like, Oh, man, here it comes. And the thumbs up. And I'm like. Fuck your name and Oh. It's yes, it's such a great moment and a perfect lead in to mine because that's your your good dad cry and my good mom cry that I've referenced a lot on the podcast is Phantom Thread director Paul Thomas. Anderson Yeah. Never Cursed by Jonny Greenwood. You know, when he's laid out on that bed and he has that vision of his mother and just whispers, Are you hear? Are you always hear that? Oh my God. The first time I saw that, because my mom died in August 2017. So I saw this in December, and I didn't even I hadn't really even cried about it because it was just so raw. Like I was processing everything but the tears hadn't come and this was, wow, they just opened. And I don't think I don't want to be presumptuous, but I don't know if a lot of people watching that movie for the first time got all the mother stuff in it. But because of where I was at in my life, that's all I was hearing. And that's that's why I connected with that movie so much. This is just this is a guy this is a boy whose mom died entirely too young and he's never gotten over it. And now he just treats all the women, you know, around him like crappy, belittles them in their own way, except his sister, who he appears to be emotionally afraid of because she sticks up to him. So, Antwone Fisher, Brokeback Shame, Phantom Thread. Even if my list ended right there, I'd be like, Okay, that's a good list that represents my sad cry. But thankfully I have a lot more to go because I'm just a big crybaby. And the last one that I'll reference that we don't need to talk about too much is because we just did an entire episode. It was our actual two episodes of Go where we talked about my favorite movie of all time. Blue Yes. And but if I just want to list the one, it's got to be the phone call to Ray at the air. Oh, yeah. For me, at least right now, whenever you watched it, that was the moment that meant the most to me. And that always, always get a good cry from that one. Got so good. Yeah, we did just talk all about that, so please go check out that episode. But okay, now we're going to get into some IV references, maybe occasionally along the way. But these are these are movies that just get real down and sad and make me cry every single time I watch them. I'm going to kick it off here. 1991 John Singleton's Boyz n the Hood. This is a seminal movie for me. I mean, one of the most important movies I've ever seen. I love in college. I was the guy who was showing this to a lot of people for the first time, you come to my room, I'd show it to you. And I was kind of like opening up people's worlds the way my world was opened up because I grew up in a very, very small town. And seeing this, it just taught me so much at a young age. And the best thing it taught me was perspective. And I'm not going to say the exact moment that makes me sad because it'll ruin the whole movie. But there's a scene when Cuba Gooding Jr screams in an alleyway and then we cut to slow motion. It is as pure as 1990s American cinema gets, and for all the most horrific reasons. I'll just never forget the first time I saw this movie, I was so young and there was there was just so much reality to it. And that's what made it so fucking sad. And it's a very sad film, but a very poignant one. And I will never not sob when I watch this thing. Oh, my God. All right, so I'm just going to get something out of the way because I don't want to talk about these movies for too long. But if we're talking about themes that make us cry, I cannot handle anything happening to animals. I Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You're really dogs. So, like a movie like Marley and me, that can go fuck itself. Yeah, I am. Yeah, I. Haven't even seen it because I just don't even want to. But there are a couple movies that. Well, one, I want to celebrate because it's a fucking great movie. It might even be for what it is. The best movie ever made of a genre that's homeward bound. The incredible journey. Nice. Hey, we're. We're letting it all out today. It's all because. See that so long? None of them get hurt, though, right? They're just, like, in peril the whole time, but none of them get hurt, right? Well, it's at the end, the oldest dog falls into a for lack of a better term, inescapable pit. Yeah. Yeah. And and you've got like the Weeping Dog cries and and they basically leave them there and like and and you're you're basically having that moment of this dog is dead now, and then he comes back at the very end, so everything's okay. But that movie really is a marvel because you're talking about a movie where you've got the voiceovers going on for all of these animals, but you're watching this live action of just two dogs and a cat in the woods with a bunch of other animals. I don't know how they directed that. I don't. Well, I hope they were treated well, put it that way. I'm sure they were. I mean, I'm sure with a movie like that, they had to have them, but I don't know, it was the nineties. Well but then also Bambi. I mean yeah the land before time all of these cartoon movies where the mom dies. It's like, no, I can't, I can't. There's something. Are you watching these movies. Like now or are you just talking about. They made me cry like the last time you watch Bambi and cried. These are. No, I'm referencing these ones because I refuse to watch them now. Because this is actually I was just theme that Bambi. This is a theme that I was getting out of the way. This. Year for Butch he got game but he's watching Bambi all the time. I just. That's it. That's my that's my animal. Any time with an animal. I mean, there was lucky that I watched John Wick, and it's because the whole entire movie is The Revenge of him. And they did it all right. You didn't see anything, and you just heard one little whimper and then you were on with it. My brain crosses into a different realm. When animals are hurt in a movie, I. Immediately. Immediately have to go to. That's not real. They. Those sounds are manufactured. That dog's really happy. It's. It's fine. It's being pet, right now. Usually when you hear dog cry, it's off screen because that's ADR. So I have to go to technical because I can't handle it. And I'm like, that's not blood. That's paint they have on it. Kind of put my head down and go because I'm I don't talk about this stuff a lot, but, you know, I'm an animal rights activist and I don't I don't eat meat because of this stuff for this reason, because I dislike. That's just me. It's all good. But dogs. Yeah, I don't fuck around with dogs. So the number if a movie. Okay okay. We talked about this a lot in the gas bar part. I'm going to go get serious. Right. If we see if a movie. Is insistent on showing me and depicting a sexual assault, you better be goddamn doing that for good reason. And I don't know what that reason is. I'm not here to tell you what that reason is, but you're the filmmaker. Better be for a good reason. And if it's not, then I may not like the movie, and I know I have a lot of movies that come to my head specifically for this reason where I'm like, okay, same thing with animal violence. Like, if I don't get why that's being done, it is difficult for me to it can really, really take me out of the movie. And this, you know, raises a lot of red flags. Apocalypse Now, where you're seeing like I'll be butchered. You know, there's. Just yeah, yeah, there's a lot of. Movies that haven't treated animals that well. But yeah, it's it's a tough thing. But when we're watching, like, a narrative feature, I have to go, that's not real. That's not real. Amores Perros in your iTunes first movie, a movie fucking starts with the disclaimer that no animals were harmed in the making of this film. And I'm like, Yeah, oh boy, what are we getting into? And it's all about dogfighting, or at least one chapter. It's all about dogfighting. I don't think I could handle it. Yeah, I made it, like, 10 minutes, and I had to stop and do research and find out that all the dogs were just happy the whole time. They're all barking and playing together. They were just covered in, like, corn sirup or whatever they were using for fake blood and all the sounds were manufactured. But it is a spoof. Yeah. When a movie starts with that disclaimer, I was like, Oh my God, what the hell is this going to be? But like, I've heard Andrea Arnold's new movie is a documentary called Cow. I've heard it's really good. But every review I've said is if you're an animal rights lover or animal lover, you can't. See this like it's this is going to be. Devastating. So I can't see that in the theater. I'll wait till Blu ray when I streaming, when I have some sort of control over it, like mute. There's something about the personification of maybe it's like an animal quality that's put on to something else. Mostly this I'm talking about Pixar movies, we're talking about animation. So it's not really real. But there is this idea because there is one movie, this is my number one movie that I cry at the worst, and that's Wall-E. Who? Yeah, I and I can't explain why because a lot of times I get very, very affected emotionally by existential life feelings. And then if you combine that with these sort of like simplistic animal like qualities that WALL-E has, because there's not one scene in Wall-E that makes me cry, I just break out crying for no reason at various parts. And it's even some ways that he just goes even and I'll just start losing it where he's just like, he's just rolling around his fucking Earth's garbage crater and I'll just start crying and then it'll go away and then it'll just happen again. So there's something in that movie that I have not really quite come to terms with, but I think that's like Pixar's best movie. It's my personal favorite. That and Toy Story three. Yeah, The Inferno. The Inferno and not just the Inferno scene, because I just think that that scene is too much to handle for any child, because you just can't accept death like that. Like you would expect a kid because of what they're doing. They're accepting death. That's like the most intense thing that one can do in their life. It's a toy, and they put it and then the ends. When Sid is moving away. Yeah. And he's leaving behind these things that I think that's another like very, very thematic moment of everyone can kind of relate to saying goodbye to your childhood. Yeah. Toy Story three was Gene is in really and to me in one specific aspect, which is that they waited that long to release it. So now all the people who saw the original 95 are all grown up, and now they have this emotional connection to those toys, to those characters where they don't want to see them accept death. And then the kids are just sitting there like, oh, my God, this is terrifying. So it really it took them like two and a half decades to build up to that scene. And it's really smart. It was really, really well done now. Carrie. Well, a lot of people. I don't know anyone that Toy Story three doesn't get that's one of those like Universal. Like if you're not emotionally affected by either one of those scenes, I don't know. MAN. Well, I mean, I'm not really sorry. I'm just like, Oh, my God, it's all good. Well, that's just because you have a thing about me. Yeah. You will not see any animated movies on this list. It's on this list. Yeah, not. Not at all. I appreciate that. They've been on yours, though. I have. Because that people have. Very, very deep rooted. Connection to animated movies because a lot of people were raised on them and that wasn't in part of anything else. They were just raised on those movies. Yeah, I was raised on those movies in part with other really radical shit that I just raised myself on. And that's why I my emotional connection. It doesn't this. That's just it's just me. I'm not hating on anything. I get that a lot of adults really, really like animated movies and that's that's cool that you just want I'm not going to be talking about any of those today. That's all I'm saying. Well, I agree. I'm not the biggest animated fan. That's why Wall-E really stands above everything. But what about the opening scene of up? Yeah, that is. So impressively done. That's like that to me is the gimme yeah thing and Toy Story three that I've just seen that scene before, not among like toys and not in a PG or G movie, but I've seen the acceptance of death from characters and then it doesn't work out and they're like, Huh? Oh, that's good. I mean, it's something. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had seen that a lot. But the thing in up, I've never seen anyone do that before or since in like people done that in animation, there are some like dead serious R-rated animated movies, but not in like a Pixar movie. I just didn't expect that. But then the thing that no one talks about is that, you know, up turns into a very standard kind of animated film after those first 10 minutes are breathtaking. But I really don't remember anything after that. And, you. Know, I agree. I'm the same way. And I think it's it's just how well done that those that opening sequences I mean that's is I mean that's a complete life lived. Yeah they're very very good at short films you know they've won a lot of Oscars for best animated short film and that's like a that's about as perfect, a ten minute animated short film as you get because it could end when it's done. And that's it's good. But wow, we're getting way off course here. But I like the way I've handled city I didn't know was going to be. Had a feeling we're going to go there. Yeah well I'm. Going to get back to real life and talk about a movie that pretty much everyone cries when they see it. And that is Jonathan Demme's Philadelphia from 1993, a movie about Tom Hanks very slowly dying of AIDS. It is. Oh, boy. You know, there are so many sad scenes in this film, but it's the ending in particular that gets me because. So, you know, real quick, the whole setup of the movie is that this young lawyer, Andy, played by Tom Hanks, believes he was fired from his hot shit lawyer job because he has AIDS and he thinks the partners are discriminating against him. So he sues them for wrongful termination. So these partners are just total monsters like Jason Robards is one of them. They use foul language like they're they're not good people. But there's one guy there's one guy named Bob, and he's played by a guy named Ron Falter. And now Bob is the only law partner who admits on the stand that he thought Andy has had AIDS. And essentially Bob's the only law partner with a conscience. And oh, boy, here comes in the very final scene of this movie when a bunch of people are gathered together in an apartment in San Remembrance. You have to look closely. But Bob is right there. He's talking to Andy's family, his friends. And this is a guy that Andy just sued. But Bob was invited there despite the fact that Andy just sued him because he took the moral high ground and admitted on the stand that, yeah, I actually did think this was what it was. I didn't tell that to the other partners. But yeah, I am admitting it. That to me is what this community has always been about inclusion, acceptance, welcoming. It's just so to me that Bob is right there and they do not focus on him. You know, the camera's panning and you have to catch him and he's just there with the family speaking pleasantries now, when I saw that Bob was there, I was like, Wow, that got me crying. And then I did a little research and I realized that that actor Ron Salter had AIDS while filming that movie, and he died four months after Philadelphia was released. So, yes, Philadelphia. Is a tear jerker for a lot of reasons. There is so much heart in this film on screen and off. It just it kills me every time. Tom Hanks walking out of Denzel's office for the first time, he just looks up. He's so fucking lost stares at the ground. That makes me cry, too. That's that is my favorite scene Tom Hanks has ever done. Single favorite scene. Oh, my God. I love that. But yeah. Ron falter rest in peace. It just I, I had seen the movie dozens of times before I realized that fact that not only wow, you know, you had AIDS when they were filming the movie in that he died four months after it was released. But Philadelphia I love this movie. Did it, that is. Yeah, you said it perfectly. That's a tear jerker for so many different reasons. Yeah, that story's incredible, isn't it? Sad, but. But, I mean, just truly that that's something that I think people should know about that movie. It adds another layer to its impact. Yeah. Yeah. So I referenced this movie back in our 1999 podcast where this became my favorite movie of 1999. And that is a straight story directed by David Lynch. And this kind of, I think in a weird way, piggybacks off of this theme that the totality, as I like to say, of a life lived it. That's definitely a big theme for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's because I just don't have a good relationship with time. Mm hmm. I am scared by it. I am I. Aging is not something I particularly want to have happen, I suppose, in the sense of, like, where does it all go when you're there, when you're looking back at life and you're like, Holy shit. So this movie just does all that. Wally In a weird way, does I get this same feeling from that movie? Mm hmm. I think a straight story is just so beautiful. Yeah. I mean, it's really similar to the story I just told about Ron Falter that, you know, Richard Farnsworth knew he was dying of cancer, of a terminal illness, and he died by suicide shortly after that film was released. And that's also a very sad thing as well. You know, it adds a real life layer of poignancy to that movie, certainly. Yeah, it really does. There's also something about A League of Their Own that does the exact thing to me. Oh, nice. Yeah. The whole entire movie takes place with, you know, these women in the 1940s during World War Two where they're playing baseball. But yeah, the beginning and end of that movie is all of them when they're older. Coming back to this, they've been accepted to like the Baseball Hall of Fame or something similar of that effect. And they all haven't seen each other. Some people have died and they go back and they're reliving this like the moment of their lives, like all of them collectively. And I just can't handle that. I can't fucking handle that. That's like way too much emotion. Like they're seeing each other. The music, the score by Hans Zimmer just adds to it. But the way that they look at each other sometimes they don't recognize the other one like they see each other. And they're like, Oh, my God, you look. So I, I can't I just can't with that. And then, like, they're like, how so and so. Oh, he passed. Of course he did. They. We're all going. To fucking die. I should be lucky they made it that long, bubba. No. Yeah that's a part of it, too, you know. It's all. Yeah, it's. It's all wrapped up in the same shit that. None of it. I'm okay with. Oh, it's a cover. It does not tomorrow. And that's what I always say. Oh, I read or if. Okay, here's a nice nice little segway into tomorrow we have to talk about make way for tomorrow. That's the ultimate cry. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Jesus Christ. That's not even on my list. Oh, my God, what a. Great cause that on your. List. Yes, it is. Oh, thank God. That was a it was a very awkward segway, but you kind of stuck the landing on it. It took me a while. Get there. But I'm your baby. Oh, horse. Oh, that's right. Get on the train. Make way for tomorrow is very similar to me in the feeling I get watching Chaplin's City Lights. I had a lot of trouble getting into Chaplin and getting into silent films, mostly because people were like, You have to like this. You you are going to watch Chaplin and you will like him and that, you know, it's not really the best way to. Like, yeah, yeah, going to any movie. But I can tell you that the entire genre of silent movies clicked. Wide. Open for me because of the final scene of City Lights. And it was just it's something it is so profoundly simple and so absolutely magical. And that's the same make way for tomorrow isn't silent, but it is old in black and white. Yes. And it's a really well done movie. But I mean. If you watch the whole movie. And you're in it, not like on your phone walking around like you're in it, watching it, you I would almost guarantee that any normal human being would cry in the last 10 minutes of this. I don't. Or last 5 minutes. I don't understand how you could. So that's a great call. I can't believe I forgot that. You know, we're making lists like these sometimes. I'm like, I'm forgetting something. I'm forgetting something that way. Yeah, it's just a great, great call. Yeah, I knew, like, there's even movies that are like when you're bringing them up. Like, I'm like, Oh, my God, yes, yes. Building up to this one. I just I kind of call it like I see it. I explain how I am on the podcast when we're recording. I'm nervous to talk about this scene. I'm just going to put that out there for a few reasons. We've already referenced the movie a few times. Okay, my least favorite word. I don't hate too many words, but the word a word that I detest to every fiber of my being is the N-word. If you look like me, which is to say white, I don't want to hear from you ever in any context. It's just me. I can't really say that. I like hearing that word used in movies, especially by white characters. I understand that in something like American History X, those characters in context are speaking accurately. That's how those bastards talk. I get it. I do not have an opinion of black people using this word. I abstain from judgment. They want to use it. Far be it for me to suggest otherwise. I just know my place when it comes to that word. So when Jesus, with all of that said, I have heard this word used so profoundly and so devastatingly one time that I'm like, I'm getting choked up just thinking about it. I mean, watching it, it's like it's just I'm done for toward the very end of Spike Lee's, he got game. Denzel Washington and Ray Allen have a spirited confrontation that ends with Denzel using this word in a way I will never, never forget. I don't want to exactly say what leads to this moment, because I want, like every human being alive to watch he game. But Denzel and Ray playing Jake and Jesus Shuttlesworth are in a strange father and son raised. Jesus does not like his father at all. He's angry about it. And Denzel is very aware of this. And right before they part, Denzel looks at his son and he says, Take care of yourself, take care of your sister. But you get that anger out your heart, son, or else you'll end up another like your father to hear him refer to himself in the most gutting way possible. It just it's wrenching to me. I he's so openly admitting that he's turned himself into a stereotype and that if his son leads his life with anger, he will likely become a statistic as well. And it's very important wording, and that's kind of what breaks Jesus a little bit. That's what starts to let a little humanity end. Ray Allen is brilliant in this movie, but you can tell it kind of gets to him. It's it's a subtle click, but there's something in there that clicks and his dad does not think he is the be all end all. He thinks of himself as the lowest of the low. He views himself as beyond redemption, but he does not want that for his son. And it's for that reasons that this is my favorite scene Spike Lee is ever captured. I watch this sequence so, so often. And this was my movie with my brother if I had to pick one. We watch this together often. So it's a it's a rare, nice memory there. But people need to go give this movie a chance. I don't know what happened to it. I don't know why it's like never on streaming. I, I love he got game so much the most poetic movie Spike Lee made. Absolutely. Well, I feel like all of Spike Lee's movies are hard to find unless you're talking about like black. Inside man. Amazon or inside. Yeah, yeah. Do the right thing. It's always around. Yeah, but good reason for good reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But is very hard to find. He got game 25th hour it's it's tough to find some of these movies that we've talked about on the pod that we're really trying to encourage people to see. They don't make it easy though. I mean Criterion has picked up some of his movies and I'm. Yeah, yeah. I'm like this one. It's perfect. I did get I got one of the best Christmas presents of my life a few years ago. This is like Christ probably ten, nine years ago. At this point, Spike Lee always does commentaries for his movies, but he didn't do it for he got game and it was barebones so I the bare bones DVD no special features and then they released a combo Blu ray of he got game in 25th hour and Ray Allen and Spike Lee did a commentary for he got game so I put it on I bought it immediately put it on that night. I've listened to it like three times. It's great. Shocker. That's awesome. Denzel is probably the person who's being mentioned the most on my list today. We have, I'm sure. Yeah, we have Antwone Fisher. We have. He got game. And I'm going to do a quick one here just because it got a lot of hate, got a lot of flack. The way he ends his confession in Flight Men in 2012, he finally reveals the truth in front of everyone, the way his voice cracks when he says the word alcoholic. It just it absolutely kills me. And that that scene got so much odd criticism from critics and audiences like why now? Why not just keep lying? And I don't know. It's my opinion that if that is your opinion, you kind of missed the film completely. But that's that's okay. I'm not saying it's a perfect movie, but that is a perfect moment to me. Oh. Okay. I just had a great idea. And this is a complete Segway. This is a this is just off the top of my head. Oh, boy. Since we'll get back to these movies. But great. Do you have any specific just right off the top of your head, moments of an actor crying that are your favorite moments of watching an actor cry. So you're talking about him in glory, obviously. Probably. I was exactly what I was going to say. I mean, yes. No, that's I we need to. Off the top of my head, it's a little tough. I would need to think about it, but him and glory like that's here, a lot has been made that's here. That doesn't just represent an actor trying to win an Oscar, which he did. No sense. Entire fucking movement of captivity. Yes. Oh, that's history. Yeah, it's it's history. And it's astounding that they made the time for that in that big, big movie. But no, I'm trying to think of like someone reaching reaching that point. That's just oh, that's just so well done. Another reason why that works so well is because he's so defiant. He's such a defiant character. He doesn't put up with shit. But like, if you're in that much pain and he doesn't even show the pain on his face, that's the only representation of it. How you do that as a fucking actor, I have no idea you. Know I know it's. Yeah I mean that gives me chills is talking about it but Tom Hanks breaking down and saving Private Ryan when he's hiding you know, trying to and he starts doing the shaking thing. It's after after the medic has been killed. That's a really good one, because that's also because men just quote unquote, weren't allowed to cry back in the day. They weren't allowed to show that level of emotion, you know, stuff that that's one that always gets me. I don't know. I'd have to think about it. But yeah, that's a good that's a great call. I actually hold that and I'm saving it for later. Okay. But yes, one's one specifically. That's a good call though. What I'm saving for the. What are you watching. There's there it's one of my favorite acting moments of all time and I'm excited. Awesome. And it's a crying moment. Yeah. Give me another sad one for you. 2019 is marriage story. Oh, you know, there's so many movies like Kramer versus Kramer always comes to mind, you know? Yeah, I Marriage Story to me was a movie that really, really affected me. I think it just encapsulated the most of what I knew about my mom and dad's divorce and how that went. And I just went on the ride for that. But the end scene where Adam Driver is reading the letter. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a perfect way. You did that movie is like the opening of the movie is the voiceover of what the one person thinks of the other one. Yeah. And then to come back at the end, it's just, it's a nice little button, but. Well, it's a lesson in, like, divorce therapy or separation therapy. Write down everything you like about the other person. Read it to them. Yeah, it's a very common tactic and I love when a director is able or screenwriter or whoever you want to credit to can bring their movie full circle like that when it like starts the way it ends. Very cool. Very. You know, this whole entire movie is this is like a chapter in these people lives. Like they've had kids, like they've spent years their youth together to know that it wasn't for nothing. Yeah, I've always believed that nothing is a waste no matter what. There's always something to learn or gain from. However, you spend chapters of your life. But to get that confirmation, to get that understanding that you might feel how you feel, but you don't know if the other person felt the same way. I think there's a part of me that always sort of wonders if the people or times or moments that I've spent with matter to the other ones as much as they matter to me. And I'll never know. But I know how much they mean to me. So I think just hearing that echoes like for me, like when he starts to cry, I start to cry with him cause I was like, Oh my God, that's just fucking beautiful. Like, he there's validation in the life that you've lived up until this point. Mm hmm. That was a huge part of getting older for me, honestly, was realizing that some things I'd shared with people, with friends in my life that I mean, I felt like they would turn me into the person I was because they were so memorable and so pleasant. And the person just a few years later and no fucking clue what I was talking about seemed at all it's happened to me. I, you know, we get real on this podcast, but I'm not going to get to that real folks. But that's happened to me. AM A number of times a part of Grown Up. Well and and. Rightfully so. Because you're like, All right, if this didn't mean anything, then, well, fuck me. I guess. But if they. Don't, then. What do you have? Yeah. You want to talk about my favorite color? I mean, what are we doing? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, except that to me. That's what the friendship has been founded on. Were those great events and this great memory. I mean, if you just want to get together and like talk about the weather and like what's on the menu, then we can do that in, like, what movie we saw yesterday. Cool. Is there a water cooler around? Yeah, this. That I like they we're. Keeping it somewhat light because I'm about to talk about a horrific murder. This is I've only seen this movie once, so I can't even say movie that this is one that makes me cry over and over. This is this is another list we've been circling for a long time. Movies, great movies we've only seen once. You know, I used to have like Irreversible on my list, Antichrist. Those are I've now rewatched those a few times. One that I've only seen once is Ryan Coogler's first film, Fruitvale Station oh, 2013. This is so embarrassing for me to admit I wrote this in my in my initial review, but I, I didn't know this movie is based on a true story. I hadn't I knew the story of Oscar Grant being murdered by a police officer in Oakland in 2009. But when I walked into Fruitvale Station, I didn't know that's the movie I was watching and I didn't the name I didn't know the name Oscar Grant like I do now. So if you've seen this movie. This movie. Begins with the cell phone footage of Oscar Grant being shot, the real cell phone footage. And I was like, did the director just make a choice to show it like that? Or is that like a real video? So the whole time I'm watching the movie, I get where this is going. I'm like, Oh God, the movie's eventually going to land at that video. And then, then when the movie ends, with the dedication they're showing, they're confirming that this wasn't indeed a real person. And you're seeing, you know, his girlfriend, his child, his mom and I, that's when it clicked during the dedication that holy fuck. The first scene I watched in this movie was that poor boy being killed. That's the end. Then I just lost it. I mean, for whatever reason, I don't know why I remember this, but I saw this movie the last day before I left to move for Los Angeles that I don't know. It's just something that sticks out of my head. But the theater was, like, kind of full. Yeah. I mean, it's a it's a big one to go on to Calvary. Yeah. I was going to say that's like I was. Terrible, but it's not a terrible movie. Yeah, but it's a, it's a rough way to leave. When it ended. I've never seen this before. I've never had this experience before since there was a woman in the crowd, a black woman, an older black woman who was sitting by herself. And when the dedication happened, she just started she started sobbing in a way that, oh, man, I'm get oh, it's getting me that I really haven't heard too much of my life. I've heard it when parents were sobbing over the death of their child. That's how loud she was crying. And she's crying. And a black dude that she like didn't I assume did not know at all who's sitting in a completely different spot in the theater, walked up to her, sat next to her and like hugged her and consoled her. And it's like, I'll never forget that moment. I didn't I didn't expect to tear up over that. But it was so oh, my God, it was so emotional. And we just like that's one, it's so funny because ah, one of our upcoming podcasts we're talking about three movies in particular that we're seeing in the theater for the first time and it's really, really cool. And in one of those, in the first one, when the credits came up, no one moved. And I've said that before, and I have that in my memory, and then I'm like. Did that really. Happen? Like, did no one really move? And it was confirmed for me yesterday. That was like no one moved good. This is another one that I know for a fact. No one move during the credits. The fucking lights had to, like, come up. And then we, I saw it like noon and they had to practically carry us out of there. Like, it was awesome. And I'm going to go watch this movie again. Honestly, just talking about it makes me realize how important it is to me. I didn't expect to have that emotional reaction. It was a it was real. It was fucking real in that movie theater that day. Yeah. Because that's where it transcends like that. Yeah. That's when life I can think of a handful of times in my life where I've heard a human being sob or something like that, like to the point where like it's not a cry, it is a visceral, primal, yeah. Guttural. And I think people that are witness to that, you know, you almost kind of can't help but be a fellow human being. Yeah. Like there are three times that I can really specific memory hearing something like that happened and I was there for all of them. Like I didn't leave, I stayed or I comforted or I consoled or I did whatever I could. I think at the end of day I was present for it. You mean in a movie theater in real life? No, no, just in real life, yeah. You did that for me. The day my brother died, I was sobbing in my apartment. August 1st, 2016. We had like, when something like that happens, you. You don't. Well, I can't say you.
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14 a.m. in the morning and I'm not crying right away, I'm in just complete fucking shock. And I call a few people close to me like you. And you came over like you left work early and you came over and we went to the fucking gym because it's like, we just, like, didn't know what to do. I mean, that's just like what we did. I got i've been desperately looking for a job for eight months. Fucking h.r. Manager from a job interview that, like, four times calls me all the way to the gym, offers me a job. I'm like, what. The fuck is going on? What is today? And then when we got back in my apartment after the gym is when I broke down. And you did what, very, very few i'd say it men are unable to do. And that's it. You just fucking stayed. And you were. Still. And you let it be known that you were there. And it's all good. Here we are. I mean, I've had people literally run away from me when emotion get started. I've had people tell me that we can talk about a subject so long as I don't get emotional talking about it. I've had actual friends say the stuff to me where I'm friends anymore, but that's okay. I mean, I don't even know what I would say. Like what? What? Sorry. But yes, it's and always saying, wow, it's funny. I only had one little small note for that movie. I didn't think we're going to talk about it long. It's really interesting this folks, is what it is like to sit with Nick and I in a room as we talk about movies. This is very true. The pod, like, kind of isn't even here for me. Like, we're just we're just talking. This is great. This is. This is what it really is like. Yeah, well, there's one movie I do want to talk about that means a lot to me, but I don't want to double down on such an impactful conversation. So I want to switch gears a tiny bit and talk about the number one movie that makes me happy cry more than any other movie. Oh. Okay. And this is crazy. This is a movie that I talk about ad nauseum, but I've never talked about it this way. I never realized that until like the last couple of times I cry in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood every time, and it's at different charts. Okay. Because it means. You have a deeply. That's so fucking funny you said that because I'm about to talk about a 2019 movie that I have waterworks on the entire time I watch it. That's because you're connected to that fucker. That's why. Yeah, because there's nothing sad at all about Once Upon a time in Hollywood. But I'll watch that movie and just be overcome with how much love I have for it that I'm so appreciative that it exists and that it's mine. I get to have this relationship with this movie that I cry. I just start crying and it's usually in like the really joyful moments. It's usually like I cried in the opening sequence of of when the treat or right song is playing. Yeah. And, and I'm just watching it. I go, I'm just so fucking happy right now. I know. And so yes. So that. That is a movie that I don't think I have that type of relationship with any other movie because I love it so much. Mine in 2019 is waves. Directly to Edward. Schulz. That is my movie that it's like no movie since has feels like it is infused into my DNA and I just got I would just love to dream dare to dream to make something 1/10 that impactful to the way that movie impacted me. I mean, I cried four times when I saw sat in the theater and I was not in a bad place. Like everything was good. I was it was fine. I saw it 1115 in the morning. I can sit. There like, what is going on? I at one point, I don't know. I've talked about waves four in the pod, but at one point I remember very distinctly looking over and there was a guy like three seats down for me and we locked eyes this and this was during the end True Love Waits montage and he was crying too. And we were just both crying. We kind of nodded each other, like, This movie's incredible. But that's one where every time I watch it, I know I'm going to cry at some point, and it can be a sad Craig's movie can get sad, but it can also be like that, that melancholic cry, because the final sequence of it with Radiohead playing, it's like it moves me. So much. But I mean Frank Ocean's playing throughout this Tame Impala I just aacaa it's a great soundtrack. Yeah. And I had written some of those songs into my next screenplay idea. You got to understand that when I write stuff in the screenplays, I know I can't get these songs, not if I'm going to shoot it with my budget. It's just something that like is propelling the writing to do. It's that it's, you know, got to be above it. Got to be above it. It's like I put that in my fucking scripted that I sit down and I put out waves or I watch it the theater 1115 in the morning. Got to be you've got to be above it. I'm like, What the fuck am I? And I wasn't even mad. I just went. Oh, no. Yes, this. Is like someone read my screenplay ideas and they actually had the money to go get this shit. So they did and they put it on film in a really fucking cool way. Like better than I could have. Frank Ocean is one of my all time favorite musical artists, and he has never been used so well as he is in this movie. I mean, oh my God. Now I'm going to have to go watch this fucking thing when we're done. It's like. I love that movie just because it is like, the thing is those you can absolutely make something that good. Well, I've. Just never like I remember like when I watched it, I was like, did you just get a bunch of money and go under a different name as to direct this movie? Because everything about that movie is you. In it was within. A month. I had like five different people who don't even know each other, texted me that and it was I'm not folks. Come on. You know, I'm not saying my work is anywhere near. No, my work. I aspire to waves. I mean, you know, I aspire to a lot of things, but I aspire to make something that moves someone the way that movie moved me. I suppose that's the bottom line. That's what that. Is. That's man. Yeah. I'll never. I don't know what he's working on now. I need to do a little deep dove. I haven't heard any rumblings of Mr. Schultz making another film, but I believe one is coming in. I will be there. I will be there. It won't be there. Oh, there you go. This is a quick moment of that of. Yes, you know, Lewis. One of my favorite moments that I cry in every time at the end of in the name of the father. Oh, my God. That's a that's not on my list. That's a fucking great one at that. That could be on my list because it does make me cry. Now, there's a lot of space is in this movie where one would cry, but it's the end and I'll miss spoil it. We talk about this on our Daniel Day Lewis episode two. We go through this whole entire journey to finally come to the outcome that he is being released from prison and the earned moment of him and what he's gone through and to be released. It's a happy cry in a lot of ways because you just feel justice even though it was wrong in the first place. But the fact that it's over the release, I can finally breathe. I can finally be done with this. And he's stepping over the the pews in the stands and everything, like that, just like getting out. It's just. Well, then he's. Got the killer line, hammer line. It's not safe. Just safe. I'm a free man. I'm walking out the front door. I mean, yes. It's just the way. He says it, like I'm go and you could tell it's a yard. I don't give a shit. I mean, he's like, it doesn't matter going out there. I'm not going in the back room to be processed. I'm free. I'm gone. Yep. And it it brings me. I'm getting chills right now. Yeah. Yeah. I will always give a little cheer for that because it's just like it's right. It's righteous. And that's, that's a great feeling to be able to connect with that can bring you to tears. Well said I have so my number one happy cry because now we've shifted into happiness and I've talked about this a few times, so I'm going to get my previously discussed ones out of the way because in episode 14 Favorite Film Scores, I talked a lot about E.T. during Tobias. Oh, yeah. I mean, it is. Okay, great. I mean, and I want to say a very specific thing about Top Gun Maverick in IMAX. Awesome. Nope, in IMAX was really cool. It made that movie even better. My favorite IMAX experience of 2022. So far is seeing E.T. last week, which I got two theaters around me early, only did it for a week, which kind of sucked. I was like out of the country for five of those days. So I did like rush back and go to it right away. But I mean, I cry if I, if I watch this on my phone, I'm going to cry. But just seeing like the number one moment is when they take off in that street and the triple jump cut into his face. Dun dun dun dun. And then it just boom soars over. I love it so much. This could be like we talk about. We haven't done best verse favorites in a while. Let's do Spielberg now. Give me your bet. Give me what you think is best is and then your favorite. Because like. Oh, I mean. Schindler's List, like Saving Private Ryan, like Jaws, like those are his best. Like, let's go with the best. I guess I want to, but like. So, like, serious and yeah, I mean, I get it, I get it. And Jaws is just I get it. I do. But like Tarantino just started a podcast with Roger Avery, which everyone should listen to called Video Archives. It's fucking incredible. And he admitted on that that his favorite Spielberg is Temple of Doom. The second Indiana Jones six. Package is. That's the movie they had to create the PG 13 rating for because it's so fucking gruesome. And like, I've always like that one too. But to hear him say he's like, because someone says, you know what? What do you think the best Spielberg movies? I don't fucking know. Who knows the best of anything is. But he goes, My favorite is Temple of Doom. So all by long way of saying I think my favorite Spielberg movie is E.T.. I think I don't know if it's his best. I don't know. Maybe. But I do think it's my favorite. I fucking like this movie. It's. Yeah, it's really hard to say with that director in particular, if you want to really nail down best because I mean, his catalog is so vast. And I do think the Normandy scene in Saving Private Ryan is one of the best sequences ever put to film. Yes, very true. That's probably the best sequence he ever captured. I also whenever someone, if ever I can get it in there and just kind of wheeze my way in, I will say the the liquidation of the ghetto inch and Schindler's List. And yeah it. Doesn't get talked about as much but it is the end of that sequence ends with him seeing the girl in the red coat but that that thing is fucking horrific. Like it is brutal. And it doesn't get talked about a lot, but it has no. Wow, wow. But yes, yes, of course. Normandy. Yes, yes. But I've always said my favorite Spielberg and it's never changed since I saw it is catch me if you can. You have said that. Yeah. See? Yeah. And it's like that's his Howard Hawks movie. It's, you know, just the population has that's like his 1940s, fifties throwback to me, to me anyway. And I love it for that reason. Love it, love it, love it, love it. I'm going to mention this one real fast and I've already talked about it on this podcast, but my happy Antwone Fisher moment is it's just a very simple welcome toward the end of the movie. That's all I'll say. I really want people to see this. But when Antoine is welcomed by someone, oh. It's beautiful. God, it's absolutely beautiful. Hands on the cheeks. It's great. And then I have one more happy cry. It's a very odd, happy cry. But I talked about this. An episode to top ten of the 20 tens. There you go. The brother dynamic and Gavin O'Connor's warrior. Like I have talked about it. But it is it's a number one movie that, like, really helped me break what I needed help breaking through in terms of my relationship to him. The way Nick Nolte is watching the whole thing with complete understanding, it's scored to an extended version of about today by the National like that's something that I have put on the last, you know, 20 minutes of that movie just for a good cry, like for a good trigger. And it'll always take me there. So a warrior. God, I really, really love that movie. It's a fucking fantastic movie that almost that almost made my list. Oh, great, great. All right, give me another one. Another one of your happiness. Oh, man, this has got to be one of my number one. Happy's 1993 is Rudy. What the fuck? That's my next one year of easy. I didn't even get that. Is it good? So I'll bet now it's done. But I mean, you get. You get the music, you get the chant, you get you get. He gets the sack. Who's the wild man now get the dad, you know? And when that baby smacks the dude, he's smacking the real Rudy. Just a little trivia there. Yep. Yeah. The kicker, though, is the Charles s Dutton fist punch when he walks away clapping. He does happy. That's the kicker. That's the fucking best. That's not that's pure cinema right there, because you can put that in a novel. But like, Rudy looks over his shoulder and sees him walking away, raising a fist in there. No, you got. You need that pure cinema moment, that acting, that music. Fuck yeah. So that's also that you mentioned it and it was next. I think there's something to about the like so when we're reaching the end of that movie right before they put him in. Right. Yeah. You hear the football players like they start talking to each other like, hey, we got to get we got to score right now because otherwise Rudy can't play. You're hearing dialog. But what I notice about the sound of that particular scene is that the crowd, everything's really elevated. Yeah. And then when he gets put in, like, even when they say, okay, get out there, that's when the crowd erupts. Yeah. And that's that's the feeling that you're living in. Exactly. And that change you're talking about, you see that all play out on Vince Vaughn's face because Vince Vaughn doesn't like him. Yeah, they're they do not get along. And he's looking around because it's it's their last game. It's Vince Vaughn, his last game. It's Rudy's last game. And That's when he goes, you know, hell with the vine. We got to do it for Rudy. Throw the throw that magic touch down. And yeah, it's just it's great. And then, yes, when he rushes the field and does the crowd. Oh. Another happy cry for me again, calling it like I see it. It's the end of Jerry Maguire, directed by Cameron Crowe. And it's not you complete me. I mean, that's so well done. But it's Cuba Gooding Jr as Rod Tidwell receiving good news on a talk show and he's like, I'm not going to cry. And then the guy breaks him because he gives him really good news. And then he, you know, he goes into this to this long speech of thanks and he ends that by thanking he goes, you know, to Jerry Maguire, my agent. I just love those two guys having this moment. Oh, man. It really, really gets me every time. Another some of my happy ones are deeply melancholic because they're in deeply sad movies like Babel, for instance, directed by injury to here. Wow, this thing really does get me. But their Brad Pitt silently says thank you to a very selfless man toward the end of this, a man who has really gone out of his way to help Brad Pitt. It's just it's a really quick moment, but to me, it's so breathtaking. It's a breathtaking way to end a devastating film. And it's not even the very end of the movie. But yeah, the thing that's always stayed with me as well. Well, this is this isn't a happy one, but this is just a pure moment in a movie that always makes me cry. Looper by Ryan Johnson. Oh, really well part so. I don't know what it is about Emily Blunt and that movie, but I that's my favorite performance of hers and it's a weird movie that gives that credit to because she's so good. But it's the scene where the just going apeshit at the end and basically destroying everything and her face takes the whole entire screen and it's just a mother to her son. And she just says in like the most like simplest, like, motherly way with tears down her face, like, it's okay. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And I don't know what it is, but every time that happens, I lose it. Wow. That just connects to that. That motherly son dynamic that. Oh, every time you think about right now. Oh, I love it. We haven't talked about TV. I don't believe at all anymore, which is the way I like it, I like to stick with movie. Yeah, but I can't. I'm going to mention something here. I've won TV again, a very melancholic, happy cry, but I'm mentioning it for a very specific reason. This is Season five episode nine of The Wire called LATE Edition's. It is the series penultimate episode in this sequence, Cowboy Bubbles, played by Andre Royo. He he gives a speech at a meeting in which he is finally beginning to accept his place in this whole chaotic world. And he begins to let go of the shame he's carrying. And he says, You, there ain't no shame in holding on to grief, too, so long as you make room for other things, too. And I actually said that quote in my mom's eulogy. So it's something that will, you know, always get me. And I've I have loved that scene forever, but it felt also appropriate in the context of her eulogy. Yeah, well, I don't follow that. Oh, no, not that one. Okay, I'll do one more happy one and then my final kind of in general happy one is I think the conclusion to Ad Astra by James Gray was. It. Really knocked the wind out of me because that entire film tricked me into thinking I was on some wild space journey. And then the last scene proved to me that that is not what that movie was about, and I did not expect that. And just someone kind of realizing something about themselves is hard to put on screen, a lot of dialog, and this does it very, very well. And I think I don't know, I you know, Brad Pitt won an Oscar this year for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. And that's great. I just felt like Ad Astra was, like, a little overlooked. Maybe. Maybe people didn't really connect to that. I don't know. I had a profound emotional connection to that movie and still do. Still do. I don't. Know. I that movie. That's because I didn't have that connection with it. But yeah, a lot of people did what it was going for. It absolutely achieved. Yeah. Like Because you can't because you're not the only one that talks like that. There's a lot of people that have that connection to it. Yeah. The people who like. I don't know, it seemed to be searching for its right and we're, we're out there like we connected. Yeah. But I just don't know how, how big we are. I mean, that's true of like every James Gray movie. He has his diehard loyal fans. And I don't even love every one of his movies. This is by far my favorite. But, you know, he's got a big one coming out the end of this year. Apparently, it's supposed to be a real Oscar contender, so I'm excited for that. I'm excited for what the end of this year is going to bring. There's some yeah, yeah. There's some good stuff, I think going to come out looking better. I think there's the round out my happy ones you just got to put it in it's field of dreams. Oh nice. Nice. Yeah. The catch thing when you keep things simple and it's just like that simple idea of like, daddy, you want to play catch. Yeah, that's it. It's just. It's it's just in there. Oh, that was a lot of fun. We got some sad stuff, some happy stuff. Before we move on to our, like. Deeply subjective. Pure cinema moments that may very well only connect with us. Yesterday I have, as I was coming up with my happy list, I found that I had like a bunch in common that all fit the same theme. So I'm going to burn through these. I made a top five list of parents being proud or happy for their child. This is a huge. Trigger point for me. I don't know. It's just something that always gets me. So I ranked in five. Okay, so number five somewhere. Stephen Dorff Oh, watching Elle Fanning. Ice Skater Yeah. It's like kind of breaking him in, like, yeah, get off your phone, buddy. Like, watch your daughter. Searching for Bobby Fischer. Number four, Joe Montana sticking up for his son to his teacher, Laura Linney. You know, he is better at this than I have ever been in anything in my entire life like that is that is a great speech of a parent sticking up for their child. Number three October sky. This is when Chris Cooper shows up at the end. Jake Gyllenhaal stumbles on the word, my dad, my god, it's just so great. Number two, kind of an outsider for me Temple Grandin, which is an. HBO film about. Yeah, starring Claire Danes. And it's when Claire Danes, who's playing a real life autism advocate, Temple Grandin, she admits in public how good of a job her mother did raising her and her mom, Julia Ormond, is right there. And she just barely keeps it together. And it's it's like the final scene of that movie. And it just oh, that's my number two. Like, gets me every time. And the number one is a tense second sequence of Paul Reiser staring at his son, Miles Teller, as he gives the performance of his life on stage and whiplash. That fucking cutaway to Reiser in the Doors, just watching it. And you see his face change and he's like, it's like he finally gets it. Like, no, this guy doesn't play football. No, he's a drummer. Here it is. Look at it. Oh, just really wanted to burn through those quick of, like, you know, happy, proud parents. It's I don't know. It's a specific thing that always tends get me. No, that's great. I get like that in somewhere. Yeah, I remember what that moment it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just such a beautiful moment. All right. So crying, getting emotional because everything in a movie just works. And, you. Know. I call this pure cinema. I basically define pure cinema as something that really can't be replicated anywhere else, like you can describe in a book, a sequence. But if you're not hearing the music at the same time, they want you to tune off the cameras and moving in that exact way in their performances. And, you know, you can get I get a lot of emotion. I can cry from a lot of music, but there's something about pure cinema moment that's just different. It can only be captured to me on film. That's not every single moment I'm about to describe here, but a number of them. And it's basically just like inspiring scenes that inspire us for any reason. Like who knows what that may be? So why don't you get us kicked off here? Because I. I'm so curious as to what you're going to mention. I've no idea. So I love them, starting with this, because this is the first movie that I ever truly cried in. Oh, because of the movie. Because I'm sure is like a kid. I probably cried during some movies because I got upset or whatever, like when you're a kid. But this was the first time that I was watching a movie where the movie brought me to tears. And this is 1995 is Braveheart. Oh, it's like the end. The end. It's the freedom. Oh, yeah. There's something about everything, about that scene that had it going. You had, well, number one, the horrible torture that was going on to him. So you're already in a particular place where that's very unsettling. And then you've got the sounds of the crowds, some of the room telling him to die. Some were telling just to say, like, give it up, like, you know, you can. And then you've got that. The guy so creepy is like, just say it. Just say the word it. Was to away. And then, you know, Mel being the fucking actor that he is. And just feels freed of. Oh, my God, man. And then the James Horner score just crescendos with that. I think in terms of that pure cinema, I got moved to tears because of everything the movie had led to up until that point, and then that big culmination of that moment. Yeah, most of the moments I'm talking about are toward the end of the movie, and that's because the movie has to build to that moment. Not all of it. Or a lot of them. Yeah, well said. You have to earn that moment. My first one. When you watch Ingmar Bergman's cries at whispers, you don't you. Like you're like, all right. Thanks for the 85 of just pure. Hell. Emotional health. Like, even the way it looks, it's of course, it's one of my, you know, top ten or 15 favorite films of all time because I am who I am. But my point is, the whole time I'm watching that, I. Assume that it's going to end. In pure and utter dread. And I'm not going to say how, but just doesn't. And the surprise was so well earned. Yeah. That I began sobbing and I find myself usually sobbing every time. And it is not for it is for a sad reason because the whole movie sad, but the scene. That. Makes you or rather me cry is not a technically sad moment. And I fucking love that about that movie. I love that. It's just damn you. Ingmar Tamu. Ingmar, you beautiful bastard. Ingmar Part's coming. BERGMAN Pods come in, folks. Get ready. It's coming. Soon. You better get ready. It's. It's, yeah, it's. Yeah, I'm teasing it. Months in ahead of advance. To get. People ready but it's covered. Get start watching you're Ingmar and then join us. I mentioned this movie on our most memorable moviegoing experiences, but to me this is pure cinema. And that's the end of 1917. Oh, yeah, yeah. Got it. So. Yeah, I'm not going to get into too much because I said everything I really want to say in that previous episode that is just pure cinema in the sense of there is no dialog, it's just the moment, the camera, the every, the music, everything that's going on in the back, it's all meant. It's designed to do exactly what it does. It makes you root for this moment like and if you think about it, it is actually really stupid. Because it's like, well, I mean, the whole. Movie has been building up. It it's just it's really human to me. The guy even a guy, like, can't go up that way. You can't run that way. It's like it's not the way we do this. And he just does. He's like, I got to fucking get there. This guy just needs to run up, like, 100 yards or something like that. That's it. That's all he has to do. Yeah. Now. But now the stakes that are into it have been built in in the history of what it is. But ultimately, all that scene is, is a guy running. Yeah, that's it. And and yet. It is the most breathtaking run, I think maybe quite possibly ever put to cinema. I don't think that there is a more meaningful run I've ever seen in a movie other than that. I think that's probably true. I don't think because running is like a thing in movies. Oh yeah, we got a we should do a running list for whatever reason. Yeah. Ali loves when I call out bad running when we're watching. Oh, I do the same thing. So many movies have bad running. That's why we harped on so many shame Michael Fassbender run for so long because he's actually fucking run it and it's a great run, solid run. There are so many movies. I'm like, who taught them better run? Like what is that? Yeah. Runs in real life if they'd ever gone for a jog. But anyway, so my next one, I'm going to do it quickly. It is, it's the last it's like the final 6 minutes of Spike Lee's Malcolm X, because I'd seen biopics before, but I don't know, actually, I know for a fact I never seen the real subject be featured in that biopic. And you know, do we see this like a lot nowadays where they'll have Wolf of Wall Street he has like a cameo in the end okay but I didn't know you were quote unquote like allowed to do that. So once Denzel leaves the movie, once Malcolm X is killed in, the movie, we only see the real Malcolm for the rest of the film. And it's it's a montage scored by Ossie Davis, his eulogy, which he actually spoke at the at Malcolm X's funeral. So it's just it's such a powerful moment, you know, here at this final hour. Oh, my God. Real quick, Michael Mann's Ali Ha. Christ Man's Recreation of the Rumble in the Jungle is one of my favorite set pieces he has ever done, and he has done some amazing set pieces. We talked about the heat bank robbery a lot, but Jon Voight as Howard Cosell yelling. It is over, it is over, it. Is over. It just never fails to move. But you got like Ron Silver as Angelo Dundee doing the count, silent count. Oh, God. And Cosell in real life didn't even call the rumble in the jungle. So it's not even like realism. But doesn't matter. Voight still absolutely nails it. But is it fair to say, based on today's conversation, that Denzel is your number one guy? The go to for a cry, whether he's directing or acting? It would seem so. I mean, that's like the fourth time I've mentioned him, Spike Lee as well. Like, it's really interesting that a lot of my favorite filmmakers aren't present on this list. There's no. There's. No that's you know. There's no Tarantino. I did get Bergman in there, but there's no what? There's no Cassavetes, there's no Scorsese, Z. There's no, you know, no Fincher. Don't have Cianfrance. No. See, in France, you know, there's it's just it's interesting how this is not really what their exercise is, I suppose, but you know. Yeah, yeah. I guess so. Like his work, his work is profoundly moving and Malcolm X but it's honestly the eulogy that stirs me the most. But yeah, I think Denzel is and we even talked about Glory, which didn't even make our list, but it still works. Absolutely works. Shit. Yeah, I guess so. Fuck. This is the newest movie that I think is on any of our lists. And this is a movie that kind of encapsulates all of the feelings that I have about life. But I but I cried sad and happy for it. And I think it was also pure cinema. So I kind of saved it for this. And that's it's not your favorite. I know, but everything everywhere all at once. Dude, I can already see like your grin. No, I'm grinning because you're fucking calling me out on the podcast like I'm not going to be able to edit around this. Oh, I'll start. I'll say no. It's like you go, this is this is. Going to have to come about at some point. It's because at point, yeah, it's going. To make I assume this is going to be your number one of 2022. And so as of right now, it is. So it's going to be brought up in conversation and I can either stay silent or give my $0.02 like now, which is just to say that I, as always, deeply appreciate whenever you find a connection to any movie. The film, quite simply, was not for me. I don't hate. There are a lot of movies that a lot of people like that just don't fully click in. For me, I didn't think there was anything offensive about the movie. I didn't think it wasted my time was anything like that. I just I got every single it was doing and it just wasn't for me. Nothing about it confused me. It wasn't. I wasn't angry at it, nothing like that. I got what you were putting down. It just wasn't for me. That's all I can say. And if we're in it, it's the same thing as Ad Astra. Yeah, yeah. Like. Like what connected with you wasn't for me, but I certainly don't think Ad Astra is a bad movie. It was when we talk about bad movies, like, they just don't even talk about them because there's nothing worth. And then there's no need. There's no need to talk about a dog shit movie. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But for me, everything everywhere all at once really summed up in the most unique and creative way that I can imagine a lot of my existential thoughts that confound me, that piqued my curiosity, that scare me that I love. Like I cried a lot during that movie at various times, and so I just wanted to put that one out there because that's the newest one. I haven't had an experience in the theater crying like that in quite a bit. I really am interested because my theory, the theory I said, is that I didn't think this movie would do well on streaming or home video, and I'm dead wrong on that. Its fans have become even more excited for it, but I don't know if you've rewatched it and I'm really interested to know if it will hold up for you. Let's say this movie will be nominated for Oscars. Hear me now, folks. No, no, no, no. Yes. Trust me. No, no, no. Trust. This is it's it's A24. I hope you're right. I just don't see it. Their first movie, they they. Produced and distributed Moonlight, a $1.5 million movie that won Best Picture. This is the biggest movie they've ever released in terms of making money. They are going to put everything they have behind it and it's well seen. It's an indie darling Michelle Yeoh. Everyone's just on board like this woman needs to be up here. Yeah, she's getting nominated. You're looking at screenplay director is a bit of a stretch, but if they do ten best picture nominations, it's in there. It's in there, no question. Mark my fucking words for it. This is an objective of someone who has admitted now that the movie isn't really for them. I would be. It's one of the. Most talked about movies of the year, certainly. And for good press. Good press. It is. Yes. People are. Well, it's just August. We have a ways to go. Yeah, we don't really have too much more to go. I mean, I'm excited about some movies coming out, but in terms of Oscar fare, it's going to be around. It's going to be. I think it's it's got the same thing. Like there are a crazy amount of fans, but I think it is like the fans that feel like how I feel about it, like it really is like this cinematic experience of like a lifetime, it seems like. But for the other ones, it's just people kind of have the other reaction where it's not that they hate it. They're like, I just didn't really just didn't do it for me. And but it does seem like the fans that champion this movie. It is. It's a pretty boisterous crowd. Yeah. If Coda can sneak up and win like best picture, just catch this train that starts from like, I don't know when, where or how I mean. The fucking coda look like. I mean. Anything is possible at this point. Trust me. Like looking. I guess it's true. There's not even a bass. Jack cried watching. Coda. No, it's not. It's not at all. I just to manipulate. You to, like, feel something in the end. That's why it wins. But it's like. I mean. Yeah, just trust us. Can't believe it's vessel. Forever and ever and ever. It is on a coveted list of The Godfather. Yes. I too. We already mentioned him, but I to Malick's I could probably pick out a scene from every Malick movie. The conclusion of the New World is probably as pure cinema as it gets for me, it's, you know, she says, Can we not go home? Christian Bale's like, right away. And then we see the story wrapping up. We see the conclusion of how the lives of some of these people ended. And Wagner's Das Rheingold is just booming away and it's pure cinema, and the camera's moving and it's, Oh my God, in the way Bale's narration is, you know, that you, our child, should live it just like fucking kills me. I really think it's such. You know, the new world is such a slow movie. I still I need my New World Day because I bought that sick criterion. I'm sitting here staring at it and there's three versions on it, and I've seen two of them, but I've never saw it. He has like an original cut, like the very first early cut and then the theatrical cut and then the director. So I'm blocking out one of these days here, I'm just going to do boom, boom, boom. But it's a very slow, meditative piece in the way it just ends with such a sense of resolve. I Love it, I love it. And then The Tree of Life is it's a sequence really right in the middle of the movie. And that's the you know, you will be grown before that tree is tall. It's the kids being born. Everyone's growing up. You get, you know, Brad Pitt staring at the little feet and we're following the kid on his level as he runs in the kitchen. It just I'm not getting chills when you watch movies sometimes not every movie, but when I watch a Malick movie, I'm like, this guy was put here to do one thing. Yeah, he. Can write poems, he can compose music, he can write the great all-American novel that comes out, you know, next year. I don't know. He is a master poetic filmmaker and he's just yes, he is. To cause these pure cinema moments. Oh, my God, they're incredible. All right. My last one, I kind of said I should have done this first in the pure cinema explanation, because this is if I if someone's like, what does pure cinema mean if I'm describing it? A movie that a lot of people have seen and a scene that a lot of people will know what I'm talking about right away. You just have to go. The docking scene from Interstellar. This is like as pure as it gets. And you're just watching. Oh Come on, Tars, you're just watching this thing chug away. And Hans Zimmer score is just blaring and you're like, Are they actually going to be able to fucking pull this spin off? Like, you know, the movie is eight years old at, this point now. And I remember seeing that in the theater in the Arclight Dome and not even like breathing. I don't remember breathing during that scene. Oh yeah. And then like tears just started streaming down my face and I didn't really I wasn't like, afraid, like, oh, are they going to make it? It was just so fucking beautiful is just the way it was done was absolutely mesmerizing to me. It still is. And That is pure cinema, even more so than, you know, something like 1917 or something. Those movies that we've referenced because the emotion that comes out us as an audience and watching that scene, even if we didn't know who these characters were leading up to it, I think we would still have that emotional reaction. Yeah, yeah. There is something about all of that put together that you almost don't even need the previous time before it to feel what that's about. Yeah. It's just like the physics of it. Like when. When it's spinning and it. Fucking sinks and they sink up together and those organs are just blaring. I remember going, Oh my God, I like I get what they're doing now. I understand, you know, the science of all this, why they need to spin that fast, which are and of course, I would make you like pass potentially. Oh, my God, this is so good. It's so good. So and not to mention the other, like, unbelievably good scene that makes me cry in that movie is Matthew McConaughey. Oh, he's watching the years go by in the span of like 2 minutes like that is just that is one of the most impressive feats of crying acting I've ever seen. I would say. Absolutely. Really smart to mute him. You don't hear him crying, and instead we're just watching it. And he's. Like, Yeah. Sobbing, breaking down. And you just seeing it literally life flash before his eyes in a series of videos. Boom, boom. Yeah. Oh, it's so well done. It's it really is like it. And you also think about the reality that like, you know, that's an actor who went to work that day because all there was nothing for him. No. You know that that was him in a chair and. All right. Here you go. Take your time. I would love to know how they did that. Yeah, do what you got to do. So the last movie that I want to bring up is a personal one, and I think it's a pure cinema moment, though it also registers to me in a happy little personally, and it's happened now. This is the third time and they've all been different. And that's 2018. This is I've referenced this movie and our second episode of our favorite movies of the 20 tens. Oh yeah, A Star is born by Bradley Cooper. We haven't had too many musical performance numbers. We haven't talked about those a lot today, but that is that's right up there. That's just an all timer. And that is it. And like the first time I saw the movie, I remember I saw it with my mom and. I cried in that moment because of the cinema aspect of it. It's everything about it like. But the second time I saw that movie, I cried for a very different reason because I wasn't in the cinema, I was at home. I was really relating to Lady Gaga's character in a lot of ways, and not saying that this is what the scene is. It's just how I took it. She didn't believe that she was good at something and she didn't want to go up and do it. And when she did and she belts out that note that we all know because there's a fucking great song, shallow. There's a moment in her in her eyes that I received as that human being wrecking the in that moment that she is good at something. And I took that very personally and I to cry because I didn't think maybe at that time when I was watching it that I was good at anything or I needed to be reminded that I was or that I could be or all of that, all of that stuff. And so I am like forever connected to that moment outside of the cinema aspect, but it becomes something so much more for me and I'm so excited because they are playing that movie at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery at the end. Of the song, Man. I am going to go and see the shit out of that movie in the cemetery. That's going to be awesome. People are going to be singing along, Oh, that's going to be great. It's going to be so good. Yeah, I can't wait. I was like, This is a perfect movie for that. Wow, that was a lot of fun. That was emotional. It's sad stuff, some happy stuff. Some pure cinema stuff. I mean, I'm sitting here looking at my wall of movies and these are just the ones I own. Not even close to how many more scenes I could think of that make me cry. I mean. I know the. Final hug and good will hunting like kills me every time there are there are so many more I just this isn't a comprehensive. Well saying well. Since you're this isn't a comprehensive list it was just the things that hit us the most. But it kind of sounds like you and I have been saving one for. What are you watching here? And That makes me happy because I'm interested to see where you're going to go. But would you like to go first? Oh, Jesus Christ. I mean, I guess we'll just. Bring it on back. Whatever mind I have, I have a little bit of story time for mine, so we'll see. I have a. Little bit of mine, too. Okay, good. Well, take it away. Again, referencing the Hollywood Forever Cemetery last week, I had one of my favorite experiences there where I got to see 1996 is Baz Luhrmann is Romeo and Juliet. Wow. This holds up so well. The the way that this movie presents itself, the one that is my biggest takeaway from watching that in the cemetery where this movie is almost 30 years old, it's like 25 years old. If this movie exactly as it is, came out today, it would find an audience. Yeah, there was nothing about this movie that seemed dated in any sort of way other than, you know, the use some of the actors, right? And so it was great. So I'm recommending Romeo and Juliet. Leo That's awesome, America. Zach That's so cool. You got to see it. Yeah, it's so cool. You got to see it there then. You. I still have never been to. Even though I lived there for several years. You can't believe it, stupid. We got to like, plan for me. Maybe I'll come out for. We got to play. They'll come up for that. Oh, my. God. Star is bored. Yeah. Hey. Yeah, I just rewatched Romeo and Juliet. Like, first time I'd seen it since I was a kid. Really? My whole Sorvino binge before I was on BBC. It holds up, right? Yeah, it. Does. I mean, when you shoot it in that way, like all of these movies are, that stylized. Like, it's kind of like we talked about this sometimes before. It was. It was dated in aged. When it was released, which kind of helped. Yes. It means usually just going to be locked in. It is like it's locked into that. You know, it's so fun to see somebody, those cast members that like were just always around. And I know some some of them are. Some of them are. But yeah, it's it's a lot of fun to go do that. Yeah. Little, little bit of story time here. So earlier, you earlier you asked me, is there any actor like crying that can trigger you? So I'm going to I'm going to start with story time and then get to the scene. So I'll make this quick. It's you know, it was what it was in June 2005, I went to the beach with some friends and I went out for a walk one evening, late evening on the beach alone, and was accosted by three men who just jumped me, basically got my money, did a number on me. And it was it was a real defining moment of my life, certainly. And like, I knew how to fight, so I knew how to defend myself. I was pretty. They got some good licks in and go to the hospital ambulance. It was it was like a whole thing. It was a you know, it was a time your physical wounds heal quickly. That stuff never really bother me. It doesn't hurt that much. You get, like, punched, kicked around once or twice. I don't know the emotional scar of that following me around for years and years and took therapy and took took on took. I got hypnotized like it was it was a whole like literally I went to hypnotherapy like it was it was a process of realizing I didn't have to have like, my guard up every time I went out and not just my like a guard that when you go out walking around like that, you're looking for trouble is what I realized. Like you're looking, oh, like, let someone talk to me, let someone do something. It's like, yeah, you don't have to be, you know, it's just a process, that's all process of finding a good emotional balance. The Only thing about this event that still shakes me up directly after I was jumped, I found the street and started walking down the street and. I ran into two people and I looked a bloody mess and I was asking them like, Can you help me find the house I'm staying in? Because I don't know. I don't remember where it is. Like, Can you help me? And they were sobbing and they're like, Yes, of course I didn't remember this. This is all told to me later. Those are my two really, really good friends, two people I came to the beach with and I didn't recognize them because I was in such a state of shock and horror. And again, I don't remember this they to tell me this later, I have never seen that sense of shock communicated on screen better than Tom Hanks in the end of Captain Phillips. When he is on that table and that real life is working on him and he's getting distracted and glancing out. I mean, when I saw that movie in the theater, I was very I've never walked out of a movie in the theater. I never because I'm like, I fucking I made the trip here. I'm stuck. I'm staying here, I'm watching it. And I've never done it for, like a year. This is too much for me that this is one of the closest I almost had to walk out because it was like that had to have I was. Told that. That was exactly how I was behaving in the hospital after, like I didn't recognize anyone. I was acting like everything was cool, but I was so fucked up. Like, I mean, just bruises, cuts, things were broken like it was. And I'm like, no, like I can leave and just and then I would start like intermittently crying because of the horror of it and then stop really quickly. That sense of shock. I've never I've seen people try to be shocked in a movie and I've seen them. What I thought they were doing it. Well, he completely redefined that emotion for me in the way he did it, the fact that he wasn't nominated. I know. Just for that. It's a joke. Just for that scene. It's some of the best acting he's ever done. I like that movie. I that movie. But I know, like, if I'm putting this on where this goes, I'm going to be it just, you know, it just reminds me of that. Like, it's so it was so profound. Seeing that movie actually helped kind of resolve some things from that attack because it's funny because like, you know, I thought I had resolved everything from that June 2005, seeing that movie I had not. And it was like, okay, I need to she's got to check in with yourself every once in a while to make sure you're so good about everything and make that you're not going to go in a tailspin from seeing like a really good actor convey shock very well. And it was a tailspin. It took me like a day to get out of. That's okay. It was. But yeah. Fuck. Captain Phillips, Paul Greengrass. It's just a really good movie. It's like the whole thing is. But that that final scene is Jesus. Oh, that's. I've always said that. That I think that's just one of the greatest acting moments for me personally that I've ever seen. Yeah, it really makes it really, really good. That's it. Cry, baby. We made it. We did it. This is a lot of fun. This was a lot of fun. And it's the only thing that I can say is like, go out there and watch the movies that make you cry. It will be good for you. Yeah to to stir that emotion up within yourself is, you know, I don't know. It's not always an easy thing to do, but I like that I have those few trigger films or those few trigger scenes that can always kind of get me there. Of course, we want to know what makes you cry? What scenes, what performances, what movies. Let us know on at WAWY Underscore Podcast. And as always, thanks for listening and have you watching. Hey everyone, thanks again for listening. You can watch my films and read my movie blog at Alex Withrow AECOM. Nicolas Toast. Welcome is where you can find all of Nick's film work. If you have any questions or comments, please email us at what are you watching podcast at gmail.com. And of course you can find us on Twitter at W a y w underscore podcast. Next time is for the hardcore movie buffs. We are going to break down Christoph Kozlowski's Masterful Three Colors trilogy. They're on HBO, watch them and join us. Stay tuned.