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IFAQ: Dunamancy, Fey Changelings, and Quori Dreams
The fairy engineer Chorus, by Matthew Johnson
It's been a busy month. In addition to all of my usual work, I've been putting together a Spelljammer in Eberron campaign I'll be running for my Threshold Patrons; that's taken up most of my D&D energy. But I do try to answer questions from my patrons when I have time, and here's a few that have come up this month.
In your Eberron, how would you introduce and incorporate the Dunamancy school of magic from Explorer's Guide to Wildemount ?
There's two approaches I'd consider. The Wildemount sourcebook says "Dunamis is the primal magical energy of potentiality and actuality, an anticipatory arcane force that helps shape the multiverse and might very well be what holds its elements together, like an infinite web of unseen tethers… Those who study to control and tap into this near-invisible power can subtly bend the flow of time and space by controlling the forces of localized gravity, peering into possible timelines to shift fate in their favor…" One possibility this brings to mind is the Draconic Prophecy, which is a power that shapes reality and the path of the future. On the other hand, it doesn't really map well to the actual effects of Dunamancy. I don't see why the Prophecy would allow you to specifically manipulate gravity, and while the Prophecy can allow you to anticipate the path of the future, it's not generally associated with alternate timelines or, for that matter, time travel; it's the force that establishes the future, not a force you use to travel between possibilities.
So with that in mind, I'd actually say that the source of Dunamancy in my campaign would be Xoriat. As I discuss in Exploring Eberron, Xoriat exists beyond time and is the vantage point from which you could travel through time or visit alternate realities (the other rats in the Maze of Reality). I could easily see a Dunamancer as drawing a duplicate or other aspects from one of these alternate Eberrons… and when it comes to gravity, Xoriat is all about bending natural law; the idea that you use the power of Xoriat to make gravity perform in illogical ways is entirely reasonable. With all this in mind, I could see there being a strong bias against the use of Dunamancy, on the fear that it has the potential to destabilize reality—if you keep reaching across and drawing power or elements from alternate Eberrons, one day you might trigger a cascading effect that shifts that an alternate with the prime material. Keep bending gravity and you might just break it! I wouldn't make it something where a player character would be persecuted for practicing dunamancy, but I could see it being either forbidden or at least highly restricted in Arcanix; to learn it, you'd have to find a rare mentor or sneak into the restricted stacks in the library.
So, I'd tie Dunamancy to Xoriat. But there's another point, which is that dunamancy doesn't have to be dunamancy. Let's take the Echo Knight archetype for fighter. The default lore is that they are "using dunamis to summon the fading shades of unrealized timelines to aid them in battle." But the practical effect is that they summon an echo to fight alongside them… and there's lots of interesting ways to explain that depending on the nature of the character.
Thuranni Shadowdancer. An Echo Knight with the Dragonmark of Shadow could tie their echo to their mark, literally calling their own shadow into battle. To give it more depth, I'd probably tie this tradition to a particular family—let's say Thuranni—and say that they use it both for art and assassination; there's a specialized form of performance that essentially involves dancing with yourself. Any elf with the Mark of Shadows could learn these techniques; it's just that it's a Thuranni tradition, and Thuranni is where you'd find the masters of the art.
Quori Nightmare. Previous editions presented the idea of the Quori Nightmare, a kalashtar tradition that manifested an ectoplasmic shroud resembling the kalashtar's quori spirit. You could easily represent the same idea with a Kalashtar Echo Knight; it's just that instead of the echo resembling YOU, it's a shadowy depiction of your quori spirit. If I went this path, I'd say that there are Inspired who use a similar technique, just to have a fun Echo Knight vs Echo Knight fight at some point in the campaign.
Revenant Blade. Tairnadal champions seek to channel their heroic ancestors; perhaps a truly gifted Tairnadal can draw an echo of their ancestor to fight alongside them. With the player's permission, I'd assert that the echo can't be forced to perform an action that goes against their nature; if the patron was known for their mercy, the echo won't strike a helpless foe. If the player was willing to accept this limitation, I might balance it by saying that the echo sometimes displays skills the player character doesn't actually have; it's not their echo; it's their inspiration.
These are just a few possibilities. Perhaps the Knights Phantom of Aundair can conjure phantom echoes as well as phantom steeds. Maybe there's a tradition among the Blood of Vol that allows a champion to manifest their Divinity Within. I wouldn't personally add all of these concepts into the same campaign, just because it would end up with too many Echo Knights—I'd pick one or two options, focusing on the best story for the player who wants to play an Echo Knight. So you can add Dunamancy to Eberron—but you don't have to work Dunamancy into a campaign if all you actually want is to play an Echo Knight.
How would the lore of Changelings change, if at all, if I wanted to use the new races from "Monsters of the Multiverse" (mostly about being a fey)?
Rues change, and I'm fine with using the new changeling rules from Monsters of the Multiverse—but in my campaign, I'm not changing anything about changeling history or culture because of it. If this is the path you want to take, one option is to use the new rules and simply to ignore the change that makes them fey. On the other hand, FEY AREN'T ALL FROM THELANIS. In the lore as described, changelings are literally defined by a mythical story—the tale of Jes and her bargain with the Traveler—and it's entirely plausible to say that as a species they began as NATIVE FEY. I'd say they are super-grounded compared to most fey—that the Fey type is largely a legacy of their origin—but I don't have a problem with it. On the other hand, I also have no trouble with the idea that changelings' fluid nature causes magic to interact with them differently that it does for most humanoids—IE, they REACT TO MAGIC the same way as fey creatures, but they aren't actually true fey. Essentially, the question is if you want changelings to be immune to Charm Person but vulnerable to Magic Circle. If so, use the MotM rules as written, with the idea that they're distantly native fey or that it's tied to their chaotic nature; if not, ignore that particular change. I don't have an issue with the fact that MotM allows them to impersonate small creatures; now they can have fun in Zilargo and on the Talenta Plains.
On the other hand, I'm happy to say that there are ALSO changelings who DO come from Thelanis. These could be mortals of other species who were taken to Thelanis as children and altered by this supernatural sojourn, or they could be members of the supporting cast of Thelanis—spirits who by their nature change form to fit the needs of a story—who have somehow been cast out of Thelanis to find a story of their own. Such changelings would be extremely rare in Eberron—basically, they're all player characters—and they would have no ties to the native changelings; with this in mind I'd give each one an entirely different natural form, based on their backstory. They aren't a SPECIES as the native changelings are, they're exotic individuals.
Quori are described as spirits of nightmares, but hashalaqs are spirits of pleasure and kalaraqs are spirits of pride; aren't those usually associated with pleasant dreams?
It's an oversimplification to say that quori are "nightmare spirits." Quori are evil dream architects. A hashalaq quori isn't an embodiment of pleasure; it knows how to use and manipulate pleasure. It has no interest in actually giving you a pleasant dream, unless it serves a malefic purpose; in this it's like a succubus or incubus, a fiend that uses pleasure as its tool. Exploring Eberron describes hashalaq quori as "seducers and deceivers, feeding on doubt and desire." Likewise with the kalaraq: pride is the tool they use to manipulate mortals. So a hashalaq may very well give you a pleasant dream, if that dream steers you down the path the Dreaming Dark wants you to follow. The kalaraq specialize in pride and ambition, and kalaraq dreams urge dreamers to seize power, to start revolutions, to kill a brother and claim their crown… because gosh darn it, you deserve it. Hashalaq weave dreams to tempt you to fall in love with the wrong person, to choose pleasure over duty, or to doubt yourself. Quori-inspired dreams don't have to be what WE would consider nightmares; they can create whatever dream best suits their purposes.
What we've said about quori is that they excel at evoking particular emotions and that on some level they feed on those emotions. But any quori can create any dream. Quori have the ability to cast the dream spell, and there's no limits on what they do with this. Tsucora specialize in fear, and I've suggested that they may have even more specific talents. Exploring Eberron describes a tsucora who "wove dreams of gothic horror, playing on her victims' fears of death and the undead." That's what she LOVES—but if she wanted to, she COULD create a dream of evil clowns, she just LIKES gothic horror. It's the same way that an amazing Jazz musician CAN play a piece of classical music straight as written; it's just not going to take full advantage of their skills and won't be as remarkable a performance as when they are playing what they love. Quori can create whatever dreams are required by the task at hand; but they'll always be more effective when they're doing what they love. If I was actually using the Dream spell mechanics for a particular quori dream, I might give the victim disadvantage on the saving throw if the quori they're dealing with specializes in the subject of their dream—such as when Lurashtai weaves a dream of gothic horror. While on the other hand, if the quori is making a dream that's the opposite of what it loves to do—a du'ulora create a dream about miserable apathy—I might give the victim advantage on that saving throw. Of course, keep in mind that most quori dreams don't involve saving throws; it's only if they're trying to trigger a dramatic effect (blocking rest and/or inflicting psychic damage) that saving throws come into play.
That's all for now! Feel free to discuss these in the comments, but I don't answer questions on IFAQs; if you want to ask me questions like these ones, check out my Patreon!
Posted in Eberron FAQ, Gaming Features | Tagged Arcane Magic, Changelings, Dreaming Dark, Quori
IFAQ: Dreamspace and Flumphs
Posted on February 27, 2022 by Keith Baker
Art by Julio Azevedo
Every month, I ask my Patreon supporters for interesting questions about Eberron. This is the first time I've been asked about flumphs! So let's get to it!
What's the role of Flumphs in Eberron, especially in Riedra or Adar?
As far as I know, flumphs have never been addressed in canon. I've personally never used a flumph in any campaign I've run, so I'm primarily familiar with them from their appearances in Order of the Stick. So, the following things are true about flumphs in 5E.
Flumphs are small aberrations.
Flumphs are telepathic. They feed on telepathic emanations and thus are thus found around other telepathic species. They can eavesdrop on telepathic communication in their vicinity and cannot be perceived by telepathy or divination.
Flumphs are wise and benevolent. They dislike holding on to evil thoughts, and thus when they overhear evil thoughts they will try and share them with good people—so they're ideally suited to spilling the beans on illithid or aboleth schemes.
They're traditionally found in the Underdark, and live in harmonious units known as cloisters.
So with all that in mind, here's how I'll use flumphs in Eberron…
Flumphs are natives of Xoriat, where they dwell in the Emocean—a tide of surging thoughts and emotions, deeper and more primal than Dal Quor's Ocean of Dreams. Flumph cloisters drift along streams of consciousness, drawing sustenance from the pure psychic emanations surrounding them. This is a blissful experience, and most flumphs have no interest in traveling to the material plane. But occasionally manifest zones form maelstroms within the Emocean, especially when people within the manifest zone suffer intense emotions. Flumphs in the material plane are fish out of water, and need to quickly find a source of psychic emanations in order to survive. While flumphs can draw sustenance from any form of telepathic emanation, they are benevolent by nature. While they can survive on a diet of cruelty, it's distressing and they will seek to expunge the evil thoughts in a psychic exchange with good creatures whenever possible.
Flumphs enter Eberron through manifest zones to Xoriat. Here's a few places flumphs can be found in Eberron.
There are flumphs scattered across Sol Udar beneath the Mror Holds, pulled in by the fear and suffering of the dwarves battling Dyrrn the Corruptor. Most Mror flumphs are isolated and lost, struggling to survive. Sages of Clan Narathun have established a flumph sanctuary beneath Shadowspire and reunited a flumph cloister. A group of Narathun bards have been working with these flumphs to develop their thoughtsinging techniques, and flumphs are helping Narathun watch for Dyrrn's forces.
Flumphs can be found in the swamps of the Shadow Marches. Some linger in the periphery of dangerous telepathic entities. Others have formed a symbiotic relationship with a sect known as the Uul'gaanu, the "Daughters of the Dream." A benevolent variation of Kyrzin's Whisperers, the Uul'gaanu build their communities around hidden flumphs. The flumphs help the Uul'gaanu develop basic telepathic abilities; an Uul'gaanu community has a very simple hive mind, with members of the community casually sharing emotions and thoughts. Community members gather together for psychic metaconcerts, generating shared emotions that feed their flumphs. Dealing with the Uul'gaanu can be unsettling for outsiders, as the Uul'gaanu respond to the thoughts and emotions of their companions without need for speech; while for their part, the peaceful Uul'gaanu are often distressed by the cruel or selfish thoughts of outsiders. As a result, the Uul'gaanu tend to remain isolated from other Marcher communities.
Flumphs have emerged in wild zones of Sarlona over the years. Because of their ability to eavesdrop on psychic communication, the Inspired consider them a security risk and exterminate them whenever they are found. However, a number of flumphs have found safe havens in the fortress monasteries of Adar. Adaran flumphs are valued members of their communities, engaging in thoughtsinging and presenting young Adarans with philosophical challenges. Some flumphs choose to work with Adaran security forces, watching for Inspired infiltrators and influences.
As denizens of Xoriat, flumphs perceive reality in very different ways from creatures of the material plane, and have different outlooks on the nature of time, space, matter, and individual identity. Those who can bend their brains to encompass these concepts can learn a great deal from flumphs, as shown by the nascent group mind of the Uul'gaanu and the thoughtsinging techniques of the Narathun. However, these concepts can be difficult to reconcile with everyday life in the material plane, and this can make conversations with flumphs confusing for people fully grounded in reality.
What is the Dreamspace, and how would you use it?
The Dreamspace is a concept introduced in Secrets of Sarlona, which has this to say:
Planar gateways that once linked Eberron and Dal Quor, the Region of Dreams, were sundered during the cataclysmic wars that destroyed Xen'drik and shattered the giant civilization. Since then, Dal Quor has been forever distant, and no stable manifest zones to Dal Quor exist anywhere on Eberron.
However, Dal Quor and Eberron remained inextricably linked by the state of dreaming—the process by which mortal minds travel to the Region of Dreams, and the subtle gateway through which the quori first began their conquest of Sarlona some fifteen centuries past.
Discovered short years ago and still known only to a few, the dreamspace is an effect that appears related to this spiritual connection between planes, but one that as yet has no explanation. It appears as a kind of ripple of arcane and psionic energy—a border of sorts between the mortal world and the world of dreams… Regardless of its origin, different factions among both the kalashtar and Inspired distrust—some even say fear—the dreamspace. In particular, a good number of Inspired are said to be disturbed by the existence of a power connected to Dal Quor that they neither control nor understand.
Secrets of Sarlona, Page 18
Secrets of Sarlona includes a set of "Dreamtouched Feats" that allow people to attune themselves to the Dreamspace. Specific uses include the Dream of Contact, which allows long-distance telepathic communication (not unlike Sending) and Dream of Insight, which allows the dreamer to make a Intelligence-based skill check with a substantial bonus to the role—essentially, drawing knowledge from the collective unconscious. These techniques are crucial tools for the Unchained, a resistance movement within Riedra whose members engage un unsanctioned free dreaming.
That's the extent of canon information. The Dreamspace was "discovered a few short years ago" and both the Inspired and kalashtar distrust it. So what IS it? A few possibilities that come to mind…
The Dreamspace is just part of the natural infrastructure of the planes. Think of it as the phone lines that connect mortal dreamers to Dal Quor. There's nothing sinister about it; it's just a (super)natural part of the world.
The Dreamspace is an artifact created by the quori of a previous age when they interacted with Eberron. Rather than tying this to the Giant-Quori conflict in Xen'drik, I'd tie this to an even older age of Dal Quor, potentially associated with long-forgotten civilizations in either Khorvaire or Sarlona… civilizations destroyed by the rising of the Daughter of Khyber or another Overlord. This allows for the discovery of ancient rituals or artifacts designed to manipulate the Dreamspace, and leaves the question open as to whether the quori of that past age were benevolent or if the Dreamspace itself was designed as some sort of weapon or tool of oppression.
People have only discovered the Dreamspace recently because it's only recently come into existence. It's the side effect of unforeseen damage the Inspired are inflicting on the psychosphere of Eberron through their use of the hanbalani monoliths. At the moment it's a useful tool, but as the damage becomes more extensive it could connect unwilling minds, cause dreaming spirits to be lost in the Dreamspace instead of reaching Dal Quor, or far worse things.
The Dreamspace is a hoax. It's a creation of the Dreaming Dark, a lure that's being used to draw out rebels like the Unchained. Attuning the the Dreamspace and developing Dreamtouched techniques actually makes the user more vulnerable to quori possession.
These are all interesting possibilities. The point is that, like the Mourning, I wouldn't WANT to present a single kanon or canon answer, because a central point of the Dreamspace is that the people using it don't know what it is. It is a new tool that's being latched onto by a desperate resistance—is it a blessing, or could it be a trap? Is it secretly a tool of the Dreaming Dark, or is it a the horrifying result of their messing with powers beyond even their control? Each of the four options above would form the foundation of very different stories. Using the first option, it could be a simple, reliable tool that has no other significant impact on the story. Using the second option could unveil a quori scheme from a previous age that dwarfs the ambitions of the Dreaming Dark—while the third option could end with the Dreaming Dark and the player characters working together to disassemble the hanbalani system before it tears reality apart.
So, the Dreamspace was always intended to be an idea that each DM could use in different ways; perhaps one of these ideas will inspire you!
That's all for now! Thanks again to my Patreon supporters for posing interesting questions and for making these articles possible!
Posted in Eberron FAQ, Gaming Features | Tagged Dal Quor, Dreaming Dark, iFAQ, Lightning Round, Monsters, Quori, Sarlona, The Mror Holds, Xoriat
IFAQs: Seeker Crime, Targath, and the Dreaming Dark
Posted on November 9, 2021 by Keith Baker
October was a chaotic month for many reasons, and I'm also preparing for Pax Unplugged—my first convention in almost two years! As a result I haven't been able to write much for the last few weeks. There's an article on The Mockery in the works, but for now I wanted to share a few questions posed by my Patreon supporters last month.
Is there crime in Seeker towns and villages? Since the overall theme of the Blood of Vol seems to be "we only have each other/self-improvement" at it's most altruistic, I wonder if the usual trigger for crime (lack of resources/access and a submarket growing to fill need) exists in a community that's living very community minded.
All of the major religions of Eberron encourage strong communities. The Silver Flame encourages people to stand together in the face of supernatural threats, and to try to fight human evil with compassion and by example. The Blood of Vol teaches that we face a hostile universe and cruel gods and all we have is one another. The Sovereign Host urges us to obey Aureon's laws, while Boldrei binds a community together. But within any community, not everyone will hold to one of these faiths, and even those who do may not live up to the ideals of their faith… or interpret them generously. There are many faiths in our world that encourage compassion and charity; but not everyone who follows those faiths shares their possessions with the poor. And this doesn't begin to deal with crimes of passion and other unpremeditated crime. Beyond this, there's the possibility of a Seeker criminal who emphasizes breaking the laws of the land to get the people of their community the things they need; there's also a practice common in many grifter communities of only targeting outsiders. Everyone knows Joey is a pickpocket, but they also know he only targets tourists and adventurers passing through, so that's fine; he may even tithe part of his take to the local church.
So I don't think I'd say "There is no crime in Seeker communities." Instead, I'd consider how crime might evolve in such a community—IE criminals who are acting in the best interests of the community or targeting outsiders—and also consider the likelihood that as with Karrnath in general, the forces of the law might be especially ruthless in a Seeker community; if you DO choose to prey upon your community, they'll make a harsh example of you. This would actually be a potential contrast between Seekers and the Silver Flame. The Flame encourages us to show compassion and inspire by example—so you want to show mercy to the criminal and try to guide them to the light. I can see Seekers being considerably more pragmatic; if you prey on your community, you've made your choice and will suffer the consequences. The Silver Flame believes that noble souls strengthen the Flame after death, and thus tries to guide people to the light; the Blood of Vol knows this life is all we have and won't waste time with such notions.
Targath doesn't get much mention after being floated as a resource for periapts of health, reducing the risk of disease, and as a weapon against deathless in ECS. Since it's a resource found in Northern Argonnessen do you have any thoughts for ways the dragons, Seren, and dragonborn could make use of targath for both benign purposes and as a weapon?
Targath is an exotic metal introduced in the 3.5 EBerron Campaign setting, along with byreshk, bronzewood, and others. Part of the point of targath is that it's an exotic metal almost completely unknown in Khorvaire, and mined and used by a civilization that is all but unknown and dramatically more advanced than Khorvaire. in this, it is quite similar to vibranium in the Marvel Universe—a wondrous substance, but one the common people know almost nothing about, encountered in the weapons of champions. Odds are good that only a handful of sages and artificers in Khorvaire have even encountered targath, and those who have only in weapons recovered from remnants of the Dragonborn Empire or Seren champions. The Aereni are familiar with it, but for obvious reasons they would have no reason to encourage knowledge of it or spread it around. Among other things, this makes it a fun "miracle substance" for PC artificers to "discover"—WE know it just as a set of game mechanics, but for the PC artificer it's a source of unknown potential and an obvious "power component" they could use to create items like a periapt of health. Even the Dragonborn of Q'barra have no traffic with Argonnessen, so their Targath items would be the regalia of champions, handed down over the course of thousands of years. Essentially, the point is that this is one way to concretely identify an item as belonging to the Trothlorsvek; it's made from a metal unknown on Khorvaire.
Looking to the Serens, the question is whether the metal can be found on the islands, or only on mainland Argonnessen. If it's on the islands, the Serens may use it in many ways, likely incorporating it into unenchanted decorations and ornaments. This could imbue a general degree of health across their population, even without the full effect of a magic item. The Serens aren't an advanced culture, so I wouldn't expect to see a lot of exotic mystical uses, but they may also have items given to them by their draconic patrons. As for the dragons, keep in mind that Targath is like dragonshards: it's an exotic material that doesn't exist in our world but that channels a particular form of mystical energy in undefined ways. It's especially tied to HEALTH, so amulets of health and periapts of wound closure are obvious. But a belt of giant strength, armor of poison resistance, or cloak of protection forged in Argonnessen could all be described as having Targath strands woven through them. Potions of healing from Argonnessen could be identified by the traces of Targath infused into the potion, and it could be this that allows Argonnessen to produce potions of supreme healing, potions of longevity, and elixirs of health.
Ultimately, it's an exotic substance that allows an alien culture to produce wonders we can't produce in the Five Nations; you can work it into any sort of magical effect associated with supernatural health.
How suspicious are the major nations of Riedra beyond what you'd usually expect of a nation looking at another nation whose intentions you're not fully sure of?
Well, let's compare Aerenal and Riedra. Both are distant nations. Both are isolationist cultures that don't allow outsiders to freely travel through their lands. Both are older than Galifar and have rigid traditions. Both claim to have leaders who possess divine powers. Keep in mind that aside from its conflict with the Kalashtar, Riedra has never been a conquering power; it arose from the Sundering when the Inspired UNITED the common people to bring an end to the vicious conflict between the warring nations. So again, Riedra is older than Galifar, but has never engaged in any sort of obviously hostile action against Khorvaire. It's been a reliable trade partner and has helped multiple nations over the course of the war. What reason is there to BE suspicious of it? The people of Khorvaire may find Riedran customs to be strange and oppressive, but overall the RIEDRANS are content; so again, what reason is there to be suspicious of them? And if there IS reason to be suspicious, would those same suspicions be applied to Aerenal? WE know about the Dreaming Dark and Riedran aspirations. But part of the point of the Dreaming Dark is that it can be a disruptive force in Khorvaire without directly employing Riedran agents. if anything, the main reason to BE suspicious of Riedra is that it's TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE… it's TOO friendly. Why were they so willing to help out Khorvaire during the war? Why aren't they interested in spreading their culture or beliefs to Khorvaire? Why don't they want outsiders roaming unrestricted in their lands?
So on a high level no one is particularly suspicious of either Riedra or Aerenal, because both are isolationist powers that don't actually seem to WANT anything from Khorvaire. However, there may be INDIVIDUALS—spies, ministers, sages—who have personal suspicions and gut feelings they're trying to justify. On the other hand, the Dreaming Dark can use dream manipulation to help improve their image. It's amazing how many people have dreams about helpful, friendly Riedrans…
If the players found a way into Dal Quor, and took the fight to Tirashana (a powerful agent of the Dreaming Dark) in her home plane, where might they find her?
I think the main question is whether she's expecting company. if so, I'd expect her to build her lair from the nightmares of the adventurers who are pursuing her. Dal Quor is a mutable reality, so her lair could include the childhood home of one of the adventurers, or the prisoner of war camp they were in during the Last War, or the site of a tragic loss. I'd look to the book/movie IT as a possible source of inspiration, in terms of what it means to attack a mistress of nightmares in the seat of her power. Likewise, you might want to read The Gates of Night, which has some general inspiration for adventures in Dal Quor. But the key point is that I would build her lair from the nightmares of the player characters. And to do that, I'd personally ask the players to help shape it. I'd ask THEM to tell me what's so scary or creepy about a scene—because they know better than you what their character would find terrifying. One of the greatest strengths of RPGs is that they are COLLABORATIVE. Especially when it comes to horror, each player knows better than you what they would find terrifying and entertaining—and likewise, they know better than you the lines they don't want to cross and the things they DON'T want to experience in a story.
Could describe your ideas for a Quori of Sloth? How would they effect dreamers? What is their position and role in hierarchy of Dreaming Dark?
"Sloth" isn't quite the right word for a quori. The general idea is that quori specialize in developing and manipulating particular emotions or moods. So the key is that this quori—which I'll call the Lluora—doesn't embody sloth itself; rather, it specializes in SAPPING MOTIVATION. Consider all the tools of procrastination—creating distracting tasks or options; causing the mortal to endlessly question their decisions, paralyzing them with self-doubt; causing them to question their end goal; encouraging Whataboutism and "Why bother doing anything when nothing will ever really change?" I don't think they'd be common. One possibility is that they'd be a sort of jailor, trapping mortals in their own mental prisons and preventing them from ever building up the motivation to escape. Another is that they'd advise kalaraq, suggesting ways to undermine mortal motivation.
So in short, the Lluora is a quori spirit that specializes in creating doubt, undermining self esteem, and similar tools. "Why bother doing anything at all?"
That's all for now! Thanks again to my Patreon supporters for asking interesting questions and for making these articles possible!
Posted in Eberron FAQ, Gaming Features | Tagged Blood of Vol, Dreaming Dark, iFAQ, Lightning Round, Quori, Riedra, Targath
IFAQ: Dreams and Quori
Posted on May 31, 2021 by Keith Baker
As time permits, I like to answer interesting questions posed by my Patreon supporters. Here's a few about Dal Quor and its denizens.
Do prophetic dreams occur in Dal Quor and if so do the Dreaming dark collect or research them?
Exploring Eberron has this to say about dreams in Dal Quor:
Dal Quor doesn't have layers like other planes. Instead, it can be seen as a vast ocean. When a mortal dreams, they fall into that ocean and create an "island": a dream pocket, shaped by their memories and desires. When they wake, this island disappears. So at any given moment, Dal Quor contains millions of islands, but none last for long.
I've bolded the important piece. The key point here is that the quori don't create or even monitor all mortal dreams. There are far more mortals then there are quori, and at any given time there a hundreds of thousands of dreams that the quori know nothing about. Most dreams are just dreams, shaped by the dreamer's own memories and mind. Quori CAN interfere with mortal dreams, but so can other creatures—night hags, any creature using the dream spell. Mortal creatures can even create permanent islands, such as the Draconic Eidolon or the Uul Dhakaan.
The point here is that the quori aren't omniscient or omnipresent within Dal Quor. Other forces can shape dreams, and it's entirely possible for this to occur without the quori being aware of it. So YES, there can be prophetic dreams in Dal Quor. Such dreams could be actively shaped by powerful beings (again, all it takes is the dream spell). Looking to divine visions, the existence of prophetic dreams doesn't necessarily prove the existence of the Sovereigns. We know that there is a divine power source that channels power to worshippers of Boldrei. It could be she's an actual goddess who actively sends a message to her priest; or it could be that "Boldrei" is a spiritual construct that lies within the collective unconscious, and the priest's dream is drawn from those subconscious depths. Either way, it's possible to have a vision from Boldrei; but just because you can meet her in your dreams doesn't mean that she exists in a form you could meet in the flesh.
Does the Dreaming Dark collect or research these dreams? I'm sure it does, IF IT OBSERVES THEM. Again, there are more mortals than quori, and at any given moment a third of the world is asleep; there's no way for the quori to monitor them all. And personally, I don't WANT the quori to monitor them all. I like the fact that I can say that the group's cleric has a divine vision and that the quori don't know about it. With that said, part of the role of the hashalaq quori is to monitor mortal dreams and dreams and to keep notes. The hashalaq are the loremasters of Dal Quor, and when the Dreaming Dark wants to perform an act of manipulation, it turns to the hashalaq to identify the most effective targets to carry out those goals. So the hashalaq do monitor the dreams fo people the quori have identified as significant, and they maintain a broad "map" of the Ocean of Dreams. Thus, they COULD have observed and recorded any prophetic dream and could well have a vault filled with accounts of thousands of "Dreams of Interest" they're studying. But it's ultimately up to the DM to decide if any given dream has been noted and recorded, or if it escaped the many eyes of the Dreaming Dark.
Are there any limits to the Quori ability to shape dreams?
Yes and no. If you're familiar with Star Trek, think of Dal Quor as a holodeck. Normally, the dreamer shows up and runs their own program. When a creature uses dream, they are overriding that and placing the dreamer in a program of their own design. And that can be ANYTHING. A quori has an even greater degree of control than a wizard using dream. They can control every detail and they've had tens of thousands of years to hone their talents at creating dreams.
WITH THAT SAID… This is a game. It's fun to have adventures in dreams where adventurers can potentially overcome challenges, and with that in mind I wouldn't want to make quori omnipotent when shaping a dream. So personally, I'd go back to the holodeck analogy. The quori can PROGRAM the dream. They can personally take the place of any creature in the dream, intervening directly. But adventurers can defeat the challenges a quori places in their path. The quori can make you dream about a terrifying dragon, but you and your fellow adventurers could DEFEAT THAT DRAGON; this reflects your will and heroic drive overcoming the quori manipulation.
WITH THAT SAID… That primarily only applies to LUCID dreams. Most dreams don't get played out as adventures. And with that in mind, that's why the dream spell has a saving throw! You could look at a successful saving throw as meaning that the caster can't shape the dream at all; or you could look at it as the caster creating a nightmare but the dreamer defeats the nightmare. So if the quori gives you a dream of a dragon ravaging your village, if you fail your saving throw the dragon destroys your village, kills everyone you love, and then kills you, and you wake up horrified (taking psychic damage and failing the long rest)—while if you MAKE the saving throw, you still dream about a dragon, but in the dream you DEFEAT the dragon. Your subconscious overrides the quori manipulation, and your self-image is so strong that you reject the vision the quori tries to impose.
Do Quori create figments or enlist drifters for the Dreaming Dark?
Let's look back at Exploring Eberron.
A figment can be anything—a friend of yours, a zombie version of that friend, a demon, a dragon—but the catch is that it's drawn from the mind of the local dreamer. When you dream about your old drill sergeant, they can't tell you a secret you don't already know, because they're part of you. On the other hand, if you're in someone else's dream—or if a quori has taken control of your dream—then the figments can surprise you, because their capabilities and knowledge are drawn from someone else's mind.
Figments are just part of the basic mechanics of Dal Quor. Any time a dream is created, it's populated with figments. Look back to the holodeck example: figments are all the NPCs in a holodeck scenario. So yes, the quori create figments that last for the duration of the dream and then dissipate.
DRIFTERS are a different story. Per ExE, "Occasionally, a remarkable figment develops the ability to persist beyond the dream that created it—becoming a truly sentient spirit instead of a simple manifestation… Such free-willed figments are called drifters." Generally speaking, the Dreaming Dark doesn't employ drifters and most drifters will do their best to avoid the quori, because DRIFTERS ARE A FLAW IN THE SYSTEM. Why SHOULD a quori deal with a free-willed, unpredictable drifter when it could just use a figment that will do exactly what it's supposed to do? This is one reason drifters may help adventurers; they themselves aren't part of the system and have no loyalty to the quori; quori will typically destroy drifters as they ARE flaws in the system. Having said that, it's possible an unusual drifter could make a deal with the Dreaming Dark and gain greater power through such service. But most drifters won't take that risk.
The dominator Tirashana is a powerful Inspired mentioned in multiple sources. What kind of quori is she? Sharn: City of Towers doesn't say, Secrets of Sarlona says she's usvapna, and the ECG says she's a kalaraq.
This is what happens when you are dealing with an evolving setting and multiple editions. When Sharn: City of Towers was written, the tsucora quori were the only quori that had been defined. We knew that there WERE others, but we hadn't solidified any of the details. SECOND: When Tirashana was created, mind seed was a high-level power any psion telepath could potentially manifest. As such, we established Tirashana as a 17th level psion—she had the power to mind seed, but she did it in the same way any other creature could do it, if they happened to be a 17th level telepath.
By the time Secrets of Sarlona came around, we'd introduced more types of quori. The kalaraq quori, in particular, had the innate ability to perform mind seed by binding the essence of a victim. But we'd already defined Tirashana as a 17th-level telepath, so we chose to make her an usvapna—a powerful and respected quori caste, but not kalaraq.
Then fourth edition came around. Fourth edition had no player-facing form of mind seed. We had a version of it associated with the kalaraq, but it was a unique thing. So: the usvapna didn't exist in fourth edition, and even if they had, we could say Tirashana was an usvapna with enough telepath levels to manifest mind seed, because it didn't exist in fourth edition. So, in fourth edition we made Tirashana a kalaraq because it meant that DMs would ahve a stat block they could use for her and because it was the only way she could do what she was supposed to do — create mind seeds.
The key point here is that the lore isn't consistent because the RULES weren't consistent. We changed the lore to meet the needs of the story. Ultimately, the most important thing was that Tirashana is a quori who can mind seed people. Given that she's unlikely to ever appear in the flesh, it doesn't really MATTER is she's usvapna or kalaraq; what matters most is that she can mind seed people and the DM knows how mind seed works.
So: in fifth edition, I'd personally make Tirashana a kalaraq quori for the same reasons we did it in fourth edition: we have a stat block for kalaraq quori and we don't have an usvapna block, and a kalaraq quori has a way to plant mind seeds.
In general, however, this ties to the general point that canon isn't ironclad or infallible, because it wasn't created in a vacuum. Tirashana couldn't be an usvapna in the Sharn sourcebook, because usvapna didn't exist when we wrote it. Canon is a place to start, but it does have contradictions and errors, and it's up to each DM to decide how to reconcile those in their campaigns.
What are some other types of quori?
I don't have time to stat out additional quori in this space, but what I will say is that the general idea of quori is that they generally manipulate and feed on certain types of emotion or aspects of the mortal psyche. Tsucora specialize in fear. Du'ulora manipulate rage and hatred. Hashalaq understand pleasure. Kalaraq twist pride and ambition. I didn't create the tsoreva or usvapna, so they aren't designed with that in mind; I'd personally probably make the weak tsoreva tied to spite, and the usvapna—described as the judges and inquisitors of Dal Quor—as manipulating concepts of duty and tradition, albeit in the focused path of tyranny and persecution.
With that in mind, what are some other types of quori? I could imagine quori that inspire greed and avarice; quori that sap motivation and thrive on sloth and indolence; quori that thrive on misery; quori that inspire envy. Quori are children of the Dreaming Dark, so they are generally tied to NEGATIVE aspects of the psyche. Kalashtar quori still have this heritage, but turn it around; a tsucora kalashtar understands fear, but can use that knowledge to help people overcome their fears and find their courage.
I don't understand quori possession. Rising From The Last War says the Quori must be within five feet of the creature it wants to possess, and if it is expelled it appears next to them? I thought quori couldn't manifest physically?
That's because quori have access to TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FORMS OF POSSESSION. The form of possession that is presented in the stat block is something the quori can do IF it is physically present. An important detail is that it can use this form of possession on an unwilling target! It would be extremely difficult for a quori TO physically manifest on Eberron—it would involve some sort of unprecedented story hook—but IF IT DID it would be capable of forcibly possessing any humanoid using this technique.
But the catch is that this isn't the form of possession the Dreaming Dark generally employs, because the quori CAN'T physically manifest in Eberron. So instead, the quori normally possess humanoids through their dreams. The quori crafts a dream (essentially, casting dream) and within that dream, has to convince the target to voluntarily allow the quori to possess them. The victim may not understand exactly what they are agreeing to—the quori could present itself as an angel, as the ghost of an ancestor, etc—but they know that they are agreeing to let an outside spirit temporarily assume control of their body. If they agree, the quori takes possession and maintains control until either it chooses to depart or until it is driven out by magical means; in either case, it returns to Dal Quor. Once the quori leaves, it can't possess the victim again unless the victim AGREES to the possession again. In some cases, the quori may manage to cultivate its relationship with the victim such that the victim will allow this; again, they may believe the quori to be a guardian angel or an ancestor, as long as the actions the quori takes don't disprove this. On the other hand, if the quori isn't trying to maintain a relationship with the host, it may not bother to maintain such a masquerade.
The Inspired are possessed using this second form of possession, but the catch is that each Inspired is bound to a particular quori spirit and they have no choice when that spirit chooses to possess them. However, an Inspired could also voluntarily allow a different quori to possess it, if it served a useful purpose.
This raises a key point, which is that per Rising, forcible possession doesn't allow the quori to use the proficiencies or class features of the target. The idea of the cooperative possession (or the Inspired) is that the possessed individual DOES have the proficiencies and abilities of both quori and host. This is how the quori can maintain a disguise and why it's useful to the Inspired quori to have vessels with different skill sets; a particular quori could have one vessel that's a tough fighter and another that's a sly assassin, and choose the host that serves its current needs. Likewise, the reason an Inspired might allow a different quori to possess it would be because it needs the particular skills of THAT quori to accomplish its mission. So part of the idea has always been that when dealing with Inspired or with voluntary hosts you're dealing with a gestalt entity. The quori is in CONTROL, but it gets to draw on the skills and knowledge of its host.
As this second form of possession is different from what's described in the book, it raises a number of questions. Can a quori possess one of their specially-bred Chosen/Inspired link at any moment, even while that Chosen/Inspired is awake?
Yes, a quori can possess a Chosen vessel at any time. The quori has a direct spiritual connection to its Chosen and this doesn't require the victim to be asleep.
Does the Protection from Evil and Good spell stop a Chosen/Inspired from being possessed by their linked quori?
An empty vessel who is protected by protection from evil and good can't be possessed by their quori, and this is something we've previously called out as a way that fugitive Chosen could remain free. However, the spell specifies that the target has to be a willing creature, so you couldn't cast it on an unwilling Inspired to break their connection to their spirit.
Does the Magic Circle spell stop a Chosen/Inspired from being possessed by their linked quori?
If the unpossessed empty vessel is protected by the circle, they can't be possessed. However, I would again say that this wouldn't BREAK an existing case of possession; you can't create a magic circle and then push someone into it to exorcise them. It prevents a possessing spirit from attaching itself to a mortal host, but it doesn't drive out the spirit once it's present. At least, that's the ruling I'd make at MY table (and if your DM disagrees, that's fine—but this is MY ruling).
Can the Dispel Evil and Good spell drive out a quori from their linked Chosen/Inspired? If so, what stops the quori from immediately repossessing the Chosen/Inspired?
This is addressed in the 3.5 Eberron Campaign Setting entry on Inspired, and the rule seems sound here.
Resist Exorcism: The quori spirit inhabiting an Inspired is subject to a dismissal spell, an exorcism, or a similar effect. Use the total of the human vessel's character level and the quori's Hit Dice for the purpose of determining whether the spirit resists dismissal or exorcism. If the effect is successful, the quori spirit is temporarily driven back to Dal Quor. This effect lasts for 10 minutes per caster level of the character who cast the spell or performed the exorcism, after which point the quori spirit can return and possess the human vessel again.
Combining hit dice doesn't quite work in Fifth Edition, but the point is you can do it but it's supposed to be hard—I'd probably give the Inspired advantage on their saving throw.
If an Inspired currently possessed by their linked quori is reduced to 0 hit points and knocked unconscious, but not killed, is the quori driven out? Or does the quori stay?
No. The "Brute Force" possession in the quori stat block can be broken by dropping a creature to zero hit points, but rendering a creature unconscious has no effect on either an Inspired or on a creature that has voluntarily allowed a quori to possess it.
Can a possessing quori allow the victim to retain control of their actions—to play the role of an "advising spirit"? Or is it always in full control while possessing a victim?
A possessing quori can always choose not to exercise the full power it has over its victim, but it CAN exercise that full control at any time. So the victim may not REALIZE that they are fully possessed; they may believe it's some sort of symbiosis or partnership. Which is great, until the quori has a reason to take full control, and which point it will take full control. With that said, the person agreeing to possession is aware that they are allowing possession—that they are allowing the spirit to reside within them. In a situation where the quori doesn't plan to assume control it may present this as guidance, partnership, etc — but the victim still knows I am allowing a spirit to reside in my body.
How much awareness does a quori have over the status, thoughts, emotions, location, current activities, etc. of its linked Chosen/Inspired, while those Chosen/Inspired are awake and uninhabited?
Very little. For example, we've never suggested that if you get into a fight with an empty vessel that its connected quori would somehow be instantly aware of the threat and pop in. Keep in mind that a quori could have HUNDREDS of empty vessels. I'd be inclined to say that the quori would notice the death of a vessel—because it would feel the sudden severing of their link—but even then, if the quori has a lot of vessels I might have them make a Perception check to see if they notice it right away.
When a quori possesses someone, how much access to the host's memories does the quori have? Does this change based on the possession method: brute force, voluntary possession, linked Chosen/Inspired possession, etc.?
It depends entirely on the form of possession. The brute force possession provides no access to memories whatsoever, which is why the quori "doesn't gain access to the victim's knowledge, class features, or proficiencies." Voluntary possession does grant access to the host's memories and skills, as specifically called out in the 3.5 ECS: "A possessing quori has immediate access to all of the vessel's thoughts and memories… The quori spirit combines its skill ranks with those of its vessel." With that said, while voluntary possession grants full ACCESS to the host's memories, I'd see this as a human gaining access to a library. You can read any book you want, and when you NEED a specific piece of information you can immediately acquire it, but you most likely don't have time to read every book in the library. So it's not like a quori knows every one of your secrets the instant it possesses you; it has to have a reason to dig for a specific piece of information, and it's quite possible it never bothers to look back to your childhood and find that moment you made a deal with a dragon.
What's your opinion of the tsoreva and dream master quori from Magic of Eberron? Would you redesign them if you converted them to fifth edition?
I didn't work on Magic of Eberron. The tsoreva is fine; it's useful to have a low-CR quori and I can see them as spirits that feed on spite—essentially, lesser tsucora. But I don't like the dream master. First, it doesn't follow the naming pattern. We retconned this for Secrets of Sarlona, naming it the usvapna. But beyond that, its basic design doesn't follow the model used by other quori. The original idea of the quori is that they manipulate and feed upon a particular emotion. This is concretely reflected by their abilities. At a quick glance…
A tsucora (fear) has Terrifying Sting, which mimics the effects of phantasmal killer, and it regains hit points when it kills someone with this power. When it stings you, it afflicts you with a nightmare so intense it can kill you, and if it does, it feeds on that fear.
A du'ulora (rage) has Fury Aura—which induces rage in creatures around it—and Burning Rage, which kills a creature with its own anger… and which heals the quori when it kills a creature in this way.
Hashalaq (pleasure and pain) has Intimate Knowledge (it knows your desires), Empathic Feedback (the attack shares its pain), and Idyllic Touch (which overwhelms with pleasure)… and when it kills a creature with Idyllic Touch, it regains hit points.
The tsoreva is such a minor spirit that it doesn't have space to follow this pattern. But the dream master is a POWERFUL quori, but it doesn't have a clear associated emotion or unique powers; it's a powerful psion, but there's nothing that reflects a theme. So yes, I might keep the broad concept and form of the usvapna, but if i converted it to 5E I'd want to give it a more defined theme.
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Lightning Round Q&A: Manifest Zones and Magic
Posted on October 23, 2018 by Keith Baker
I've been off the grid for a month: dealing both with a host of mundane challenges and working on Morgrave's Miscellany, which will be released in November. This has kept me from posting much here. I will be back online next month, but for now I wanted to do a quick lightning round with some questions from my Patreon supporters.
MANIFEST ZONES
Manifest zones are often portrayed as this Venn diagram overlap between Eberron and another dimension/world, with the overlap recurring cyclically like the orbits of planetary bodies. Assuming that's an accurate depiction of what you intended them to be… are manifest zones subject to continental drift, ocean levels, etc.?
This isn't an entirely accurate description; it's combining two separate ideas.
Manifest Zones are permanent locations: places where the influence of another plane can be felt in Eberron. This isn't cyclical; it is ongoing and reliable. Sharn is built on a manifest zone that enhances spells tied to levitation and flight, and this supports the great towers and enables skycoaches; if that connection were to fade or be severed, the towers could collapse. Likewise, Dreadhold is built on a manifest zone, and this is tied into its security. Manifest zones are reliable. They are (super)natural resources, like rivers and veins of precious metal; thus many of the great cities and institutions are built to take advantage of them. Generally speaking we haven't suggested that manifest zones are subject to effects such as tides or rising ocean levels. I think that the location of the manifest zone is static; if the land beneath it drifts or rises or lowers, the zone will remain constant. We've presented manifest zones that are small points high in the air or underwater, so they aren't tied to soil.
Coterminous and remote planes are the result of the constant shifting of planar influence on the world. This is something that occurs cyclically, like the orbit of planetary bodies. When a plane is coterminous, it strongly influences Eberron, causing broad effects not unlike what a manifest zones can produce—but universally across the world. When its remote, the influence of that plane is far weaker.
You could say that while a plane is coterminous, the effects of a manifest zone are increased. So for example: you might say that tieflings may be born when a child is conceived in a manifest zone during a coterminous period. But that;s a double whammy, and critically the effects of a manifest zone continue even while the plane is remote.
The 4e ECG says that some manifest zones are permanent, and others may appear where no one was before.
It's entirely reasonable to say that a manifest zone can appear unexpectedly or that an existing manifest zone could suddenly fade. My point is simply that this isn't how manifest zones USUALLY work. The ebb and flow of planar power—remote to coterminous—is a part of the setting, but it is a separate thing from the functioning of manifest zones, and that's what I wanted to clarify. But there's nothing wrong with having a new manifest zone appear.
Are there zones that respond to stimulus at a lower level of magic than eldritch machine?
We often say that manifest zones are a requirement for creating eldritch machines or for performing powerful magical rituals. But it's not that the zone responds to the machine; it's that the machine harnesses the existing power of the zone. Most manifest zones have perceivable effects at all times, just not as dramatic as the powers of an eldritch machine.
When I have more time, I'd certainly like to give more examples of manifest zones and the sorts of effects they can produce.
Is there any specific listed canon method to shut off a manifest zone?
In canon? No. Manifest zones also aren't uniform in size, shape, or power, so I doubt that there's a single method that would apply to all manifest zones; I'd also expect the method using to have to relate to the plane involved.
With that said, the idea that it can be done has certainly been presented. My novel The Son of Khyber involves an attempt to destroy Sharn using a Cannith weapon that would disrupt the manifest zone. Again, this isn't canon (Eberron novels are suggestion, not concrete fact); and it is a weapon that critically had to be used in a very specific location and required a massive amount of arcane power. So when it has come up, it's presented as a difficult challenge. But yes, it's certainly POSSIBLE.
Could a tinkering arcanist build a music box that opens a foot-sized manifest zone?
Sure. Anything is possible if it's a story you want to involve. But something that CREATES a manifest zone certainly isn't a trivial effect. It's not something that people casually do. Again, manifest zones are things that must be found and harnessed; they aren't created (if they could be easily created, we'd have more cities like Sharn). But if you WANT to say that this particular NPC has made some sort of bizarre breakthrough and created an artifact that produces a tiny manifest zone, why not?
Do the deathless need the manifest zone of Irian to stay "alive," or just need it for their creation?
Deathless require an ongoing supply of positive energy to sustain their existence. There's two primary sources of this: manifest zones to Irian, and the devotion of loyal followers. So Shae Mordai is located on a powerful Irian manifest zone, and that means that even if all the living elves were wiped out, the Court could survive. But a deathless who spends an extended amount of time outside manifest zone needs to have a pool of positive energy to draw on, which means devoted followers. The deathless counsellor in Stormreach is sustained by the devotion of the local Aereni community, and if they all left, she'd have to leave too.
This was the fundamental divide between the Line of Vol and the Undying Court. Positively charged undead can't take the power they need to survive; it has to be freely given. Negatively charged undead consume the lifeforce they need; even if every living elf died, the vampire or lich will continue. So Vol asserts that Mabaran undeath is the only way to ensure the survival of the finest souls; the Undying Court asserts that all Mabaran undead consume the ambient lifeforce of the world, and that creating them is unethical and ultimately a threat to all life.
MAGIC IN THE WORLD
How do you imagine ID systems in Khorvaire? Who checks them, how are they authenticated?
We've generally suggested that Eberron is at a rough level equivalent to late 19th century earth, NOT 20th century. When you get into magical wards you can have more advanced forms of identification. But when it comes to ID papers, it's NOT supposed to be on par with our modern day systems of databases, biometrics, or anything like that.
House Sivis fills the role of the notary in Eberron. Originally, arcane mark was one of the powers of the Mark of Scribing. The idea is simple: each Sivis heir can produce a unique arcane mark—a sort of mystical signature. A Sivis heir goes through training and testing to become a notary, and their mark is on record in the house. Like a modern notary, a Sivis notary would make a record of all documents they notarize and this would be held by the house. So: ID papers would be notarized by a Sivis scribe, who would review all materials before placing their mark. An arcane mark is difficult (though not impossible) to forge. A border guard is primarily just going to look at your ID papers and say "This appears to be you, and you've got a valid Sivis mark." IF there was some reason to question things, the papers could be confiscated and referred to a Sivis enclave, who could use a speaking stone to check with the primary house records to confirm that ht papers were legitimately notarized. But that's a very big step. Generally it's a question of if you have a valid Sivis arcane mark.
Fifth Edition doesn't have arcane mark, so instead we added in the scribe's pen as a dragonmark focus item that allows a Sivis heir to inscribe mystical symbols. This would still work the same way: a Sivis heir would have to go through a process to become a notary, their personal mark is recorded, and records are made of every document they notarize.
So getting all the way to the point: 95% of the time, verification will essentially be on a level of what could be done in the 19th century: a cursory check for obvious signs of forgery, confirming that the material in the document is accurate (IE, it says you're a dwarf but you're clearly an elf), and that it has a Sivis mark. Forgery is thus entirely possible; the challenge is forging the arcane mark, because that's a glowing magical symbol and you'd have to have some sort of magical tool to pull it off.
How do mundane craftsmen and martial characters stay relevant in an increasingly magical world like the Five Nations? I feel like the Houses and magewrights crowd out trade and spellcasting ability seems borderline required going forward for spies and fighters alike.
Magewrights don't crowd out trade; magewrights are the future of trade. It's essentially saying "Does a washing machine drive people who are washing by hand out of business?" Sure, so that launderer probably wants to invest in a washing machine. I still have a large article half-written that talks about the general concept of what it means to be a magewright. Essentially, as a blacksmith your life is simply easier if you can cast mending and magecraft (which I see as a skill-specific version of guidance). Now, those two cantrips on their own aren't that much of a job; it's the combination of those cantrips and mundane skill that make a good blacksmith. So I'm saying that in Eberron, most successful craftsmen will KNOW a cantrip or two.
With that said, you can also say "Why didn't the microwave drive chefs who use longer cooking techniques out of business?" Prestidigitation allows you to heat food instantly, but you could certainly say that food snobs think that food produced through mundane means is BETTER.
The critical point here is that Eberron in 998 YK is based on the idea that civilization is evolving. The wandslinger is something new, a reflection of improved techniques developed during the Last War and now spreading out to the civilian population. Magic isn't supposed to be a static force that's remained unchanging for centuries; we are at a moment in time where people can ask "Can you really be a good spy without knowing magic?"
As I said, I'll certainly write more about this in the future.
You've said that nothing in Eberron is born evil. Does that include aberrations created by the daelkyr, like the dolgrim, dolgaunts, and dolgrue?
My short form is that entirely natural creatures aren't bound to an alignment; their alignment will be shaped by their culture and experiences. UNnatural creatures can be either forced into a particular alignment (like celestials, fiends, and lycanthropes) or strongly driven in a particular direction (like a vampire, who is driven towards evil by their connection to Mabar)…though you can have good vampires and even fallen celestials.
First of all, I don't think you can make a single canon ruling on all aberrations. Beyond that, we have given examples of beholders and illithids who are at least neutral in Eberron. I think I see it as the equivalent of the vampire. A dolgrim or illithid is pushed in a particular direction. It's gone alien brain chemistry. Its mind literally doesn't work the way the human or dwarf brain does. However, I think that MANY aberrations have the ability to ultimately follow a unique path—that they aren't absolutely locked into a particular form of behavior.
So let's imagine a baby dolgrim raised by peaceful goblin farmers. I don't think it would be just like any other normal goblin child, because IT'S NOT NORMAL. It's brain was physically shaped in a particular direction by an alien geneticist. It's tied to Xoriat and likely has vivid visions and possibly hallucinations pushing it in a particular way. And it has two unique (and yet merged) consciousnesses. So it wouldn't just present as any old goblin that happens to have two mouths. But I don't think it would necessarily be EVIL; it could find a unique path.
I know that werewolves transform when any moon is full, but do the twelve moons effect them differently in any noticeable way?
Not that we've said in canon so far, but I think it's an excellent idea to explore and develop. In the past we've suggested that Olarune is the PRIMARY moon that influences lycanthropes. But if I was exploring the idea in more depth, I'd love to present ways in which different moons influence lycanthropes, suggesting that each moon pushes a particular time of emotion or behavior.
If their ships were made airtight, what's to prevent House Lyrandar from flying into space? What would they find when they got there?
That depends. How are you viewing space? Are we using spelljammer concepts or modern science? Could a fire elemental exist in a vacuum, or would it be extinguished? Are we going to consider the stresses of re-entry that a rocket actually deals with and the sort of speed and forced required to break escape velocity, or are we going to saying that in THIS universe, magic propulsion overrides gravity? Or that there's a universal gravity, and that when your Lyrandar airship sails into space people can still walk around as if there was gravity?
Essentially: I like the idea of an Eberron space race, though I'd likely start by exploring the moons. But if I was to propose such a campaign I'd need to stop and answer a lot of questions about the physics of the universe that we haven't yet answered… and I'd want to think carefully about it before I do. For example, let's just look at the moons. I can imagine the moons being fantastic wonderous locations, like Barsoom in Edgar Rice Burroughs novels. But I could ALSO imagine the revelation that the moons aren't celestial bodies at all; they're actually massive planar portals, allowing an airship to physically sail into another plane. I'd want to think about which story feels more interesting and which I'd like to explore. But as of now, there is no canon answer.
Would you ever allow a player to play as an escaped Chosen vessel?
Sure. I think there's stats for them in Secrets of Sarlona. But the main issue is that the Chosen have no voluntary say in being possessed. Chosen vessels are genetically designed to be possessed by a particular quori. So my question is how your PC vessel deals with this. Are they a ticking time bomb who could be possessed at any time? Have they been given some sort of Adaran artifact that keeps them safe as long as they don't lose the item? Or has the particular quori tied to their line been bound?
Were a particular quori to be made incapable of possessing its Inspired hosts, whether by destruction or imprisonment, would it be possible that the Chosen and Inspired of that particular line be "reassigned"? Would Dal Quor remove the Inspired as well if they removed the quori? Would an "unused" Chosen be given to a new quori or share the fate of the "used" Inspired?
The principle that's been established is that the bond between quori and vessel is in some way biological. So Dal Quor can't simply reassign a Chosen line; they'd have to breed a new one. With that said, Chosen CAN be possessed by any quori; it's simply that they have to ALLOW themselves to be possessed, while they have no choice when dealing with the quori bound to their line. So there could easily be Chosen who are serving as voluntary vessels for other quori; it's just that it can't be forced.
That's all for now! If you have questions related to these topics, post them below!
Posted in Eberron FAQ, Gaming Features | Tagged Airships, Arcane Magic, Daelkyr, iFAQ, Inspired, Laws, Lightning Round, Planes, Quori
Eberron Flashback: Good and Evil
Posted on March 28, 2018 by Keith Baker
This was the first Eberron article I posted on this site, nearly six years ago. I'm juggling a host of deadlines at the moment and don't have time to write an entirely new article this week, but this seems like an idea that's worth revisiting.
Eberron takes a different approach to alignment, dropping the idea that draconic alignment is color coded, that orcs are always evil, or that clerics have to match the alignment of their deity. In designing the setting, how did you end up deciding against alignment constraints?
There's a place for clear-cut struggles between good and evil, and it's why we have forces like the Emerald Claw in Eberron. However, in my home games I've always preferred to challenge the players to think about their actions – to have things be less clear-cut than "We're good, they're evil, beating them up is the right thing to do." From the start, film noir was called out as a major influence of Eberron, and a noir story relies on a certain level of moral ambiguity and shades of gray. It shouldn't always be easy to decide who the villain is in a scenario… or if killing the villain will solve a problem.
Beyond this, one of the underlying principles of Eberron is that it is a world in which magic has been incorporated into society. Detect evil exists. In 3.5, paladins can use it at will. Stop and think about that for a moment. If evil was a tangible thing that could be positively identified – and if everyone who was identified as evil was unquestionably a monster with no redeeming features, while everyone who's good is noble and pure – how would evil still exist? Over the course of two thousand years, wouldn't we turn to paladins and alignment-detecting magic to help us identify and weed out the bad apples until we had a healthy tree? Consider our own history of witch-hunts, inquisitions, and the like. If we had an absolute yardstick and if we knew the people who failed the test were truly vile, what would happen over the course of centuries?
Removing alignment completely was never an option. It's a concrete part of the D&D ruleset. So instead, it was about taking an approach to alignment that could work with the noir story and take into account the existence of paladins and other alignment-linked effects – to justify a world in which good and evil people can work and fight side by side, where the existence of the value that can be identified with detect evil is accepted within society.
There's four elements to this.
Alignment is a spectrum. Round up ten "evil" people and you'll find that their behavior and histories are radically different. Consider the following.
A sociopathic serial killer who will kill or rob anyone that crosses his path without any hesitation or remorse.
A soldier who takes pleasure in torturing citizens of enemy nations – even civilians – but who is willing to lay down his life to protect his own people, and abides by the laws of his homeland.
An innkeeper who consistently waters down his ale and pads the bill a little whenever he thinks he can get away with it.
A repo man who ruthlessly reclaims goods on behalf of his employer, regardless of the circumstances of his victim and how the loss will affect them.
In my campaign, all four of these people will read as "evil" for purposes of detect evil. They all hurt other people on a regular basis and feel no remorse for their actions. Yet the innkeeper would never actually kill anyone. And the repo man is just doing a job and doing it well; he won't interfere with anyone who hasn't defaulted on their payments. In my eyes, one of the key elements of alignment is empathy. All four of these people are capable of performing actions that hurt others without remorse because they don't empathize with their victims. But again, they vary wildly in the threat they pose to society. The serial killer is a dangerous criminal. The innkeeper is a criminal, but not a violent one. The cruel soldier is a danger to his enemies but protects his own people. The repo man has turned his lack of empathy into a productive tool. All of them are evil, but they are on different points of the spectrum.
Another important example of this for Eberron comes with clerics. Eberron allows clerics to have an alignment that is different from that of their divine power source. But it is again important to realize that an evil cleric of a good faith can mean different things. One evil priest of the Silver Flame may be a hypocrite and liar who is secretly allied with the Lords of Dust or abusing the faith of his followers for personal gain. However, another may be deeply devoted to the faith and willing to lay down his life to protect the innocent from supernatural evil – but he is also willing to regularly engage in ruthless and cruel acts to achieve this. The classic inquisitor falls into this mold. He truly is trying to do what's best, and in a world where demonic possession is real his harsh methods may be your only hope. But he will torture you for your own good, and feel no sympathy for your pain. This makes him "evil" – yet compared to the first priest, he is truly devout and serving the interests of the church.
Alignment versus Motivation. Alignment reflects the way the character interacts with the world. Empathy is an important factor, along with the degree to which the character is willing to personally engage in immoral actions. But what it doesn't take into account is the big picture. Let's take two soldiers. Both joined the Brelish army of their own free will. The "evil" soldier hates the Thranes, and given the chance he will torture and loot. He wears a belt of Thranish ears. Yet he loves his country and will sacrifice his own life to defend it. He's "evil" because he is willing to carry out those atrocities; but he'd never do such a thing to a Brelish citizen. On the other hand, the "good" soldier will kill Thranes on the battlefield, but will not condone the mistreatment of prisoners or civilians. He hates the war but feels sympathy for the civilians on both sides; he further recognizes that the enemies he fights are just protecting their people, and treats them with respect. Both soldiers have the exact same goal and will fight side by side on the battlefield; alignment simply provides insight into how they may act.
Expanding on this: one of the rulers of the Five Nations is a good-aligned monarch who seeks to restart the Last War. Another is an evil leader who seeks peace. Restarting the war will result in the deaths of tens of thousands of people – how can a "good" monarch support that? Again, in Eberron alignment doesn't represent someone's actions on a global scale: it reflects the manner in which they pursue those goals. The good ruler believes that a just war is possible and that a united Khorvaire will prosper under her rule. She won't condone torture, the mistreatment of civilians, and so on. She will treat her prisoners and emissaries fairly. Of course, her ministers and generals may engage in evil behavior in the name of the war; she will be horrified when she hears of it. Meanwhile, the evil king pursuing peace has a noble goal, but will do absolutely anything to achieve it. Torture? Oppressive martial law? Assassination? Anything. He'd kill members of his own family if he had to. So in both cases, the personal alignment tells you how they conduct their personal affairs, but nothing about the big picture.
People know these things. If a paladin walks into a tavern and scans ten people, he may find that three of them are evil. This doesn't require any immediate action on his part, and while disappointing it isn't a surprise. In The Empire Strikes Back, Yoda looks at Luke and says "There is much anger in him." Luke hadn't done anything bad; but what Yoda could sense was his potential to do evil. That's what the paladin gets from detect evil. He doesn't know where you lie on the spectrum. He doesn't know your motivations. He knows that you lack empathy for others and may be selfish or narcissistic; that you are capable of hurting others without remorse; but he doesn't know if you have or ever will. This is a key point with the Church of the Silver Flame. They are devoted to fighting supernatural evil: demons, undead, lycanthropy, etc. These are the things to fight with sword and spell. HUMAN evil is something that should be fought with compassion, charity, and guidance. Per Flame creed, you defeat mortal evil by guiding people to the light, not by killing them.
So – once you accept this version of alignment, you can find many jobs in society that are actually better suited to evil people. A repo man who has too much sympathy or empathy for his targets is going to have a difficult time doing his job. A tax collector may be the same way. An evil politican who's willing to play the game of corruption in order to get things done may actually be the best hope of a city – providing that his motivation is towards the greater good. Knowing someone's alignment is a piece of a puzzle – but it doesn't tell you everything and it doesn't end the story.
One side note: you may look at some of these things and say "I'd probably just make the repo man neutral/unaligned." And that's a reasonable approach. With Eberron, I specifically narrowed the spectrum of "neutral" while broadening the spectrum of "evil," because again, the less concrete evil is the easier it is for it to be incorporated into society. If evil people can contribute to society in a positive way, then knowing someone is evil doesn't lock in a story… while if only villains are evil, it automatically becomes a villain detector.
A secondary element to all this is fact that in Eberron many creatures that are traditionally bound to a specific alignment aren't. By and large, creatures with human intelligence are as capable of choosing their own path as humans are. You can have good medusas and evil gold dragons. However, there are exceptions to this rule, and the most notable of these are celestials, fiends, and other spiritual entities. These beings are in essence physical embodiments of ideas. A fiend is evil personified… and as a result, it is both always evil and a much purer evil than you tend to see in mortal creatures; on a scale of one to ten, it goes to eleven. It is possible for the angel to fall or the demon to rise (as shown by the Quori bound to the kalashtar), but in these cases the spirit will typically physically transform to reflect this change. An angel that falls from Syrania will become a fiend or a radiant idol, for example. So when you meet a devil, you can generally be pretty sure it's lawful evil, because that's what it means to BE a devil.
It's 2018. How does this apply to Fifth Edition?
Fifth Edition is closer to Eberron in a number of ways. The description of clerics places no concrete limit on alignment, and also calls out that clerics are rare and that most priests aren't clerics — a radical idea when Eberron first presented it. The entry on paladins specifically calls out the idea of a paladin whose alignment is at odds with their oath:
Consider how your alignment colors the way you pursue your holy quest and the manner in which you conduct yourself before gods and mortals. Your oath and alignment might be in harmony, or your oath might represent standards of behavior that you have not yet attained.
Likewise, the detect good & evil spell and the divine sense of the paladin doesn't actually detect ALIGNMENT; it detects aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead. Essentially, it's the perfect tool for the Silver Flame: it tracks supernatural threats, not mortal behavior. This actually addresses many of the issues called out above, because there is no simple way to alignment-check someone. It also calls out that "Few people are perfectly and consistently faithful to the precepts of their alignment." And it concretely calls out one of the core principles of Eberron regarding immortals:
Alignment is an essential part of the nature of celestials and fiends. A devil does not choose to be lawful evil, and it doesn't tend toward lawful evil, but rather it is lawful evil in its essence. If it somehow ceased to be lawful evil, it would cease to be a devil.
Where the two part ways is that core 5E is more comfortable enforcing alignment on mortal creatures. Eberron has always had the principle that immortals have fixed alignment and that creatures such as undead and lycanthropes have alignment set by a supernatural force, but that natural creatures are able to choose their own path. 5E asserts that humans and demi-humans have this choice, but that OTHER races are shaped by gods and lack choice: Most orcs share the violent, savage nature of the orc god, Gruumsh, and are thus inclined toward evil. Even if an orc chooses a good alignment, it struggles against its innate tendencies for its entire life.
You can see my thoughts on orcs in Eberron here. I like calling out that orcs are not human and have a different sort of mindset — having a nature driven to strong passions and emotions — but not one that is inherently driven to evil. To me, this comes back to the story you want to tell. As I've said before: in Eberron, the Order of the Emerald Claw exists as the bad guys you know are bad — the force you KNOW you can feel good about fighting. This is what 5E is trying to do here with orcs and evil dragons. I just prefer that when you meet an orc in Eberron, you don't know if she's a cruel cultist of the Dragon Below or a noble Gatekeeper Druid.
Anyhow, that's all for now. Feel free to share your thoughts and questions about alignment in Eberron below! And thanks as always to my Patreon supporters, who keep this blog going!
How could a good follower of the Mockery or the Keeper be in Eberron? How could a good adventurer justify following the precepts of the Dark Six?
I have a half-written article about the Dark Six and their role in the setting, and that will delve into this subject in depth. It's very difficult to have a good-aligned character dedicated specifically to the Mockery, because the Mockery embodies the cruelest aspects of war: deception, terror, dishonorable combat. The Mockery is about victory by any means necessary. But this comes to the conflict between personal alignment and long-term motivation. Someone dedicated to the Mockery should be evil… but they could be fighting for a just cause. When swords are drawn they will behave dishonorably, because they believe the idea of honor in war is stupid. But they may be fighting for the greater good. I'll call out that one group that includes the worship of the Mockery is a sect called the Three Faces of War, which embraces Dol Arrah, Dol Dorn, and Dol Azur (the Mockery) as the three forces that govern the battlefield, encouraging followers to understand them all.
So essentially: the Dark Six embody frightening and dangerous behaviors: pursuing dark magic, dishonorable conduct on the battlefield, the destructive power of nature, wild emotion and passion, change and chaos, death. But someone can embrace one of these concepts as a positive tool for their community. I'll get into this more deeply when I write the full article, but I can see heroes and villains tied to any of these concepts.
Why the Blood of Vol is an evil religion in 3.5? In my opinion, it doesn't have anything inherently evil in its precepts… it´s about protection of the community and unlocking your true potential. That seems pretty neutral to me. In fact, in 4th edition the cult was categorized as unaligned…
In 3.5, every faith has a divine power source. The alignment of the divine power source, among other things, determines whether a cleric turns undead or rebukes them. The Blood of Vol has a friendly relationship with the undead and thus channels negative energy., hence the power source is "evil." The evil alignment was also a holdover to the idea that "people who associate with undead must be evil." This reflects the general view of the people of Khorvaire: because the Blood of Vol associates with undead and many of its followers hate the Sovereigns, they must be evil. Ever since the original ECS — in the Sharn sourcebook, Faiths of Eberron, 4E — the Blood of Vol has been presented in a more positive light, clarifying that despite channeling negative energy, the faith itself isn't inherently evil. I've written about this at length in this article.
If Eberron assumes that there may be persons that fail to live up to the ideals of a group or ideology (e.g. as happens with the Silver Flame) or dark sides to good persons/groups and vice versa, what are the dark sides (if any) of the Kalashtar and the gray parts of the inspired. I have the feeling that they are portrayed as archetypes of good and evil aspects, respectively. Am I wrong?
You are in fact wrong. But it's complicated.
The Inspired are mortal vessels directly possessed by Quori. As a result, you know that the Inspired are evil. However, as noted above, that's personal alignment – which doesn't tell you anything about their long-term motivation or the impact of their actions. The Dreaming Dark is an agency that is carrying out an evil agenda, and Inspired agents of the Dreaming Dark are reliably evil. But the majority of the Inspired are ambassadors and administrators maintaining an empire. A typical Inspired overseer feels no empathy for his human subjects and would feel no remorse if he had to slaughter them; but most of the time he DOESN'T have to slaughter them, and furthermore he knows that the best way to help his people accomplish their goals is to keep his subjects content. Subtlety and charisma are the greatest weapons of the Quori; they are masters of propaganda and manipulation, of tricking you into thinking you want to do what they want you to do. Which means that while they may BE evil, most Inspired appear to be benevolent rulers. They provide for the needs of their people. They will not tolerate crime or disobedience, and they will act ruthlessly and swiftly to enforce this. Nonetheless, those Riedrans who are content to follow the path assigned to them needn't worry about food, shelter, or security. The Inspired see to their needs and protect them.
What this ultimately comes down to is that the Inspired have done a good thing: they have created a stable society whose people by and large need not worry about crime, war, disease, hunger, or even bad dreams. However, they have accomplished this by doing an evil thing – stripping people of freedom and choice. The typical Riedran doesn't want to BE free of the Inspired… because they've created a society where he doesn't have that choice. On the other hand, a Riedran farmer is likely to live a far more comfortable, stable, and secure life than his counterpart in Breland or Karrnath. So… are the Inspired purely evil? If you destroy them, you'll throw Riedra into chaos and civil war, unleash famine and plague… is that a good act?
Now let's look at the kalashtar. The race was created when rebellious Quori of good and neutral alignment fused with human hosts. However, that was well over a thousand years ago. Unlike the Inspired, the kalashtar aren't directly possessed by their Quori spirits; they are merely influenced by them, and that influence comes through instinct and dream. An Inspired will always match the alignment of its Quori spirit, because it literally IS the Quori spirit. Kalashtar, on the other hand, aren't required to match the alignment of their Quori. If the alignment of the kalashtar is radically different from that of its bound Quori spirit, it will create emotional dissonance that will result in mental instability or outright madness… but that can still make for a very dangerous villain. This is especially relevant for orphan kalashtar who know little or nothing of the history or origins of their people; the Quori voice is part of what will shape their character, but it's not alone. This is discussed in more detail in Races of Eberron.
So first of all, you can have literally evil kalashtar. Beyond this: Just as the Church of the Silver Flame and the Blood of Vol have groups of extremists whose actions soil the fundamental principles of their faiths, there are extremists among the kalashtar as well. Overall, the Adaran kalashtar live by principles of patience and perseverance, confident that through their actions they are pushing the cycle closer to the turn of the age and destruction of the Dreaming Dark. Overall, they have avoided acts of aggression against Riedra, not wanting to harm innocents in their struggle with the Dreaming Dark. But there are exceptions. There are atavists who believe that they must take the offensive against il-Lashtavar – even if that means killing or torturing the innocent pawns trapped in the web. They will and should stand out because this behavior is so unlike the kalashtar norm, and it may create mental dissonance. But it's still there. Beyond this, there are kalashtar who actually envy the immortal Inspired, and want to actually become like the Quori themselves. So in the end you can find darkness among kalashtar – even among the followers of the Path of Light – and there are Inspired whose lives are devoted to ensuring the comfort and survival of civilians.
You speak of good and evil immortals as metaphysical good and evil. But do you see a space for metaphysical neutrality? I think that something like that could be the Inevitables, but they could as well being bad if you depict evil as lack of empathy.
Lack of empathy is described as ONE of the factors for setting alignment; it's not supposed to be the absolute measure. The article begins by noting that there is a place in Eberron for moral absolutes — the idea that you always know you're doing the right thing by opposing the Emerald Claw — and this is the role of immortals. They aren't about shades of grey; they are incarnate symbols of extreme ideas. An evil immortal isn't just slightly evil — the evil of performing a minor cruel act without empathy — they are dramatically evil.
And bear in mind that even a lawful neutral mortal can assert that the requirements of the law are more important that sympathy for another human; but that's not JUST driven by a complete lack of feeling for others, it's that there is another principle that is more important. This is where neutral immortals live: there is a guiding principle that drives them, and this outweighs any consideration of good or evil.
So yes, neutral immortals exist. Especially in Daanvi, Dolurrh and Syrania.
In Shavarath there is a perpetual war between good and evil, law and chaos. But how in this eternal war that nobody can win there is space for angels for being good, for devil for being evil? I even think that they know that no action can end the world and no opponent can be killed.
This is really a question that needs to be answered by an entire post an about Shavarath. But I'll touch on it at a high level. First of all, the forces that fight the eternal war don't expect to ever WIN. They believe that outcome of their war — the balance at any given moment between good and evil, law and chaos — is reflected across ALL REALITY. ANY victory or loss — seizing a keep, moving a battle line forward ten feet — will in some way be reflected across all of the planes. So for the archon EVERY victory matters, and the most important thing is to never falter and never let evil gain ground.
Beyond this, what's been said before is that The three largest forces in Shavarath are an army of Archons, an army of Devils, and an army of Demons. The Archons embody the concept of just battle and war fought for noble reasons. The Devils reflect violence in pursuit of tyranny and power. And the Demons are bloodlust and chaos, random violence and brutality. There's two things to bear in mind. First, for these immortals acting in a good or evil manner isn't a choice; it is the only way they know how to act. Again, they are SYMBOLS as much as anything else. But how does this manifest? That brings us to the second point. There are civilians in Shavarath. An archon reflects war fought for just cause, protecting innocents. A demon embodies brutality and cruelty. As a result, there are innocent, noncombatant spirits in Shavarath — because there HAVE to be so that the archons can protect them, the demons can torment them, the devils can enslave them. This goes back to my post about Thelanis: you have the Archfey and greater fey who embody stories, but you also have the lesser beings who act as the set dressing. These beings may be immortal in the sense that if one dies, a new one will eventually appear to take its place… but it won't be the same spirit. Memory and experience will be lost. The same is true of lesser archons, devils, etc. The mightiest spirits will return with their personality intact, but for lesser immortals, death IS death of your identity; it's just that you know a new spirit will rise to take your place. So the archon who places itself at risk to save an innocent IS making a noble sacrifice, even if a new archon will always emerge to take its place should it fall.
Beyond that, this is definitely a discussion for an article about Shavarath, so I'm not going to go into further detail on this.
To what extent are quori evil? In some ways the dreaming dark behave as more as LN than LE. They don't indulge into cruelty, they are just terribly cold, desperate and efficient.
There's a number of factors here. The first is that the fact that the Quori don't engage in needless cruelty in Riedra isn't an act of kindness; it is a calculated form on psychological manipulation, which the Quori excel at. They need a docile population. Rather than enforce their rule with force and terror—things that breed defiance and resistance—they have manipulated their victims into embracing their conquerors. And as others have noted, they did this by inflaming wars, manipulating fears, and utterly destroying a number of cultures. What they've done is a trick. They've created a cage and convinced their victims that they WANT to be inside it. It's not kind; it's just that a prison with golden bars is more effective than one made of barbed wire.
We then come back to one of the main points of this article: That personal alignment may be at odds with the actions a character takes. An evil person can do a good thing. The Quori have created a peaceful society because it serves their purposes; that doesn't make them good. The Quori are sculptors of nightmare who feed on negative emotions. Tsucora quori feed on mortal fear. Here's a quote from the 3.5 ECS: When they are not serving in the great cities of their nightmare realm, (tsucora Quori) hunt the dreaming spirits of mortals. Most tsucora are cruel and calculating; they enjoy having power over others. So first of all: the Quori love manipulation and control, and that's something that comes out in Riedra, even if that manipulation appears to be peaceful. Second, a quori doesn't HAVE to indulge its appetite for cruelty in the waking world, because any time it goes back to Riedra, it can take a break and torment a few mortal dreamers.
So the quori are definitely embodiments of evil. They love manipulating and tormenting mortals. It's simply that their long-term goals—ensuring their continued survival—take precedence over indulging their inherent cruelty.
Posted in Eberron FAQ, Gaming Features | Tagged Alignment, Dragonmarks, Quori, Shavarath, The Last War
Dragonmarks 3/12/15: Origins, Authors and Thrane
It's been a busy few months for Twogether Studios. We're continuing to work towards the Phoenix: Dawn Command Kickstarter campaign, and I'll be writing more about Phoenix soon. But it's been nearly three months since my last Eberron Q&A, and I figure it's time to get to some questions!
With the recent Unearthed Arcana release of the Eberron material, do you like the 5e work up of the material? Would you change it any further from what is currently "playtesting?" Do you think the Artificer should be re-designed in 5e as a stand-alone class, or would you like to see it supported as a Wizard (or other) type of sub-class?
At the moment, I've held off creating my own 5E Eberron material, beyond the vague first drafts I've presented for the warforged and artificer. I'm keen to develop new Eberron material, but until it's been authorized by WotC I've got more things to work on than I have time. I've been focused on playtesting Phoenix Dawn Command for the past year, and there's always more to do there – not to mention the Gloom variations and other projects I can't talk about yet.
Given that: I'm glad to see WotC exploring Eberron in Unearthed Arcana. Personally, I would like to explore different approaches to the material, but the UA article specifically states that it's an exploratory first draft… and it's always good to explore multiple directions. The 3.5 warforged went through seven drafts before the final one. In one version warforged could attach extra limbs. In another, they absorbed the energy from magic items to gain enchantments. I don't see a version I'd want to consider final in the UA material, but if I have an opportunity to work on official Eberron material I'll certainly consider the UA drafts and the feedback people have given about them. Which comes back to my previous request: tell ME what you think about them, and what you would keep, add or change.
If the Du'rashka Tul tale proves to be true, could it be neutralized or dispelled? And could its effects go to Khorvaire?
For those not familiar with it, the Du'rashka Tul is mentioned on page 53 of Secrets of Xen'drik. According to legend, it is a powerful curse laid on the continent of Xen'drik by the forces of Argonnessen when the dragons destroyed the civilization of the giants. The theory is that the Du'rashka Tul is triggered any time a civilization or settlement reaches a certain level of size or sophistication. The curse drives members of the civilization into a homicidal madness; they turn on each other and destroy themselves. In this way, the dragons ensured that the giants would never rebuild their ancient power. As a result, there is evidence of a number of civilizations that have risen only to suddenly disappear over the course of the last thirty thousand years.
As it stands, details about the Du'rashka Tul are far too nebulous for me to be able to answer the questions that are posed here. So the question is how do you WANT it to work for purposes of your campaign? If you don't want it to be possible for it to be dispelled, then it's a curse leveled on the entire continent using a form of magic human mages can't even begin to understand. On the other hand, if you want to be able to break it, the first thing is to define it. Perhaps it's tied to an artifact: the skull of the titan emperor Cul'sir, engraved with draconic runes and imbued with immense magical power. First you have to find it; then you have to decide what to do with it. If it's an artifact, it may be impossible to destroy or dispel it. You don't know how far its radius is (it's currently affecting all of Xen'drik). Do you drop it in the ocean and potentially destroy the civilizations of the sahuagin and merfolk? Take it back to Argonnessen and see what happens? Or might someone bring it back to Khorvaire not knowing what it is and accidentally trigger an apocalypse?
If you don't like that approach, you could decide that it's actually tied to a living creature. Ever since the destruction of the giants, there has been a dragon stationed in Xen'drik maintaining the Du'rashka Tul. Can you find it? Do you need to kill it, or could you just convince the guardian that the time has come to end the curse?
About the Du'rashka Tul… If it could be dispelled, would it bring about an era of colonization of Xen'drik by the great powers? If so, that could bring about potential conflict not only between the great nations of Khorvaire, but also with the Riedran empire, who already have a settlement therein. Do you think more cities would be created? And could the traveler's curse be removed as well?
The Du'rashka Tul is an unproven myth, so I don't think THAT'S what's stopping the colonization of Xen'drik. The Traveler's Curse is unquestionably real and a serious hindrance to colonization; who wants to establish a colony if you might not be able to find it later? If you posit that you remove BOTH curses, then the main issue is that you're dealing with a continent that's still full of powerful monsters… and the fact that Khorvaire isn't exactly overcrowded right now. The main draw to go there is untapped resources and treasure hunting. So if you took away all the curses, I certainly think you'd get an expansion of settlements there to claim and harvest resources, in a sort of Wild West gold rush development… but I don't think you'd see a vast proliferation of permanent settlements. Heck, if you're looking to live on a dangerous frontier because you want a chance to strike it rich with dragonshards, you can already do that in Q'barra.
As for bumping into the Riedrans over territory, Xen'drik is the same size as Khorvaire, and KHORVAIRE still isn't overcrowded, so it seems a little hard to imagine it happening in a hurry. Personally, I'd make it more about conflict between settlers from the Five Nations and the Dragonmarked Houses. Tharashk would definitely want to harness the resources as quickly and efficiently as possible, and any number of the other houses could see this as a way to establish lands outside of the Korth Edicts. So you could certainly have conflict between would-be independent prospectors hoping to strike it rich and dragonmarked Tharashk.
If my goal was to run a campaign focused on territorial conflict between Riedra and the Five Nations, I'd actually create a new massive island in the Lhazaar Sea. Let's say that it's a chunk of another plane that suddenly drops in during an odd planar conjunction – so a piece of Lamannia, filled with natural and mystical resources never even seen before on Eberron. This gives a new desirable territory directly between Khorvaire and Sarlona; lets it be small enough that forces can quickly come into conflict; places it in a region where Lhazaar pirates can pose an interesting threat; and lets in be filled with unknown threats and commodities. I think that could make for a very interesting campaign… though I'd also throw the Dragonmarked Houses in as a third player in the conflict.
There are some fairly close thematic similarities between the kalashtar and the githzerai: both use psionics, both have extraplanar connections, both are at eternal war with a race of shared origin. Were these similarities intentional when the kalashtar were designed? If so, were they meant to be a playable version of the githzerai for your campaign (ie, lacking in level adjustment)?
Interesting theory, but no. The kalashtar have the distinction of being the one new race that was mentioned in the original ten-page overview of Eberron in the setting search (though the idea of a playable doppelganger was also there in the ten-pager). For me, the defining elements of the kalashtar are that they are mortal humanoids tied to immortal spirits and their unique connection to the world of dreams, something that's been a long-time interest of mine. My first published piece of RPG material dealt with a conspiracy of people who shared dreams and affected the world through dream manipulation (more than a decade before Inception, mind you). So no, I'm afraid it's just a coincidence.
Meanwhile, I've always used the Gith as a race whose world was destroyed by the Daelkyr before they came to Eberron. I consider the Illithids to be to the Gith as the Dolgaunts are to hobgoblins; they are creatures the Daelkyr created from Gith stock. Thus the Gith are a race who have lost their world, and they despise the Mind Flayers both as the instruments of their destruction and a mockery of their people.
Also, I have read elsewhere that warforged and shifters were elements introduced to Eberron only after WotC accepted it as their contest winner. In the pre-WotC conception of Eberron, did elements related to warforged and shifters exist?
That's not quite true. The Warforged and Shifters weren't present in the TEN page submission, because I made the assumption that WotC wouldn't be interested in adding lots of new races when so many already existed. As such, the kalashtar were the only NEW race I presented. When WotC chose Eberron as a finalist, I had the opportunity to talk to the D&D R&D team and they discussed the aspects of Eberron they liked and what they wanted to see more of in the 100-page final story bible. In particular, they wanted to see more races – specifically races that addresses the magic-as-part-of-life aspect of the world. Sentient war golems and playable lycanthropes both fit that bill. So warforged, shifters and changelings were all in the 100-page story bible that was submitted in the final round of the setting search… and then after Eberron was selected, they were further defined and refined for inclusion in the 3.5 Eberron Campaign Setting.
Is it conceivable for a 5e Great Old One Warlock to have a bond with a Quori? If so, how would you interpret a warlock bond with a Quori outside of the Kalashtar case?
You can certainly have a Great Old One Warlock tied to Dal Quor. Here's a few ways I could see it working.
Higher Power. The Warlock isn't dealing with the lesser entities of the Quori; rather, he is dealing directly with one of the greater spirits of the plane. If he tends towards evil, this would be the dominant spirit, il-Lashtavar, the Darkness that Dreams. If he's benevolent, this would be il-Yannah, the Dawn Yet To Come.
Essentially, the Quori are the creations and servants of il-Lashtavar. If a PC warlock is directly chosen by the great spirit, he is being elevated above the Kalashtar or even the rank and file members of the Dreaming Dark; among the Quori, only the Devourer of Dreams communes directly with il-Lashtavar. This would make the PC a remarkable special person… as a PC should be. The question then becomes HOW the power communicates with him and why. Does it have specific requests, and if so why can't those be handled by Kalashtar or Quori? Or does it simply need a mortal vessel for some other reason?
Enemy of Higher Power. Twist the concept of the Warlock. The PC isn't a SERVANT of il-Lashtavar. Instead, the Warlock has essentially hacked into il-Lashtavar and is draining its power by casting spells. This concept works well if you don't plan for a lot of direct warlock-patron interaction. Alternately, you could say that the power is taken from il-Lashtavar, but the patron is il-Yannah; by weakening the darkness, you speed the coming of the light.
Quori Stooge. The player's patron is a malevolent quori, likely one of the most powerful of the Kalaraq (such as the Devourer of Dreams). It is posing as some awesome dream entity; it is only through play that the PC will realize that the missions he's being given are pushing the world in a subtly sinister direction. At this point he'll need to find a new patron, such as…
Lost Kalashtar. The rebel kalaraq Taratai started the Kalashtar rebellion, but all of her kalashtar hosts have been eliminated and her spirit is lost, presumed to have been reabsorbed by il-Lashtavar. But perhaps it still survives, and has managed to reach out to the warlock. While this bond wouldn't be the same as being a Kalashtar, it would make the warlock incredibly important to the Kalashtar.
If you named a bunch of books, or films, or TV shows, or whatever, whose inspiration has been critical in creating Eberron, in a sort of multimedia Eberron Appendix N, which would they be?
I could swear there's a two page list in one of the 3.5 sourcebooks, but a quick search isn't turning it up. Putting together a list of every book, show or film that I think could possibly inspire people working on Eberron would take more time than I currently have. For example, I have a FEELING that some people might find China Mieville's books to be inspiring for Eberron, but I've never actually read them (which is embarrassing, as all accounts suggest they are awesome – I've just never gotten around to it). Likewise, I've never played a Final Fantasy game. So I'm going to list a few things, but these are simply a few things that personally inspired me – not every possible source of inspiration.
Raymond Chandler, Dashiell Hammett and almost any Film Noir movie.
The original one sentence description of Eberron was "Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Maltese Falcon meet Lord of the Rings." Anything in this vein will help inspire adventures tied to dirty dealings on the mean streets of Sharn… and I've always described Graywall in Droaam as "Casablanca with ogres." For what it's worth, I prefer The Maltese Falcon as a movie and The Big Sleep as a book.
Two-Fisted Tales of Adventure!
The Mummy. Any Indiana Jones movie. Any Republic serial (such as "Nyoka and the Tigermen"). Anything by Edgar Rice Burroughs or Jules Verne. I originally came up with the idea for Eberron because I'd spent a few years working on a pulp-flavored MMORPG that ended up being cancelled, and I'd been watching a LOT of pulp serials.
Neuromancer
William Gibson's Neuromancer is one of the early cyberpunk novels. It combines aspects of a dystopia future with some basic film noir tropes. There are certainly ways in which the Dragonmarked Houses are inspired by the classic cyberpunk megacorps, with the basic question of what happens when corporate power equals or exceeds the relevance of nations. Almost any cyberpunk novel can provide inspiration for a House-heavy game, but Neuromancer remains my favorite.
Steven Brust
Brust's Taltos series are pulp stories set in a fantasy world, and deal with many of the same issues as Eberron… though Dragaera is more magically advanced than Eberron; teleportation and resurrection are basic tools available to civilization and everyone effectively has a psionic cell phone. I've often considered running a Taltos-style campaign in Eberron, in which the PCs are small time operators in the Boromar Clan trying to hold their turf and expand their reputation and influence. I also like Brust's Phoenix Guards series, in part because it's set in an earlier age and there's an opportunity to see how the science of magic evolves. And as long as we're mentioning The Phoenix Guards, you also can't go wrong with anything by Alexandre Dumas.
Phillip K. Dick
I prefer PKD's short stories to his novels, but I love the questions he raises in his work. The warforged essentially spring from my long love of Blade Runner, bringing us back to cyberpunk. What is the nature of life? What do you do if you were made to be a weapon and there is no war?
If you're going to get into the Cults of the Dragon Below or the Lords of Dust, you should delve into some Lovecraft.
I'm going to stop here because I could keep this list going for pages, and I'm out of time… but anyone reading, post your inspirational films and stories in the comments! For honorable mention, as authors I've read and enjoyed who may or may not have directly influenced Eberron: Jack Vance (anything to do with the Dying Earth); Tanith Lee (Night's Master or Tales From The Flat Earth); J. R. R. Tolkien; George R. R. Martin; Michael Moorcock; Robert E. Howard; Sheri S. Tepper; Neil Gaiman; Patrick Rothfuss; William S. Burroughs (maybe not useful for Eberron, but great if you're running Over The Edge)… I'll stop there, but I'm sure I'll think of a dozen more as soon as I post this.
And now, the Thrane and the Silver Flame questions…
Is there any cardinal who is seriously opposed to Krozen or is suspicious about him? Does Jaela Daran mistrust Krozen?
As with many things about Eberron, it depends on your campaign. In MY campaign, I might decide to have Jaela be a canny politician who's quite suspicious of Krozen and seeks personal agents to help her carry out personal missions. However, more often I cast Jaela as the truly spiritual leader of the Church, who has little interest in politics and thus tends to trust Krozen and rely on him to handle that side of things. I hate to say this with so many questions, but it's really a question of how you want the story to go; there's no wrong answer.
In the 4e ECG it's mentioned that Aundair refused to return lands to Thrane and that is why Thrane kept Thaliost. Why did Aurala attach more importance to those lands than to such a city? Magic, strategic importance, or other settlements?
Personally I see this as an oversimplification. It's not that Thrane offered to return Thaliost and Aundair said "No deal," it's that each nation had made territorial gains and neither one was willing to give ground. Remember that Aurala in particular believes in the righteousness of her claim to the throne of Galifar and has the least interest in the peace process. What's been said in other sourcebooks is that Aundair claimed the land that is currently home to Arcanix during the war; note that as Arcanix is a set of floating towers, it was moved to this location to help secure the claim. However, if you consider what makes specific locations strategically important in Eberron, if I were to write something about Arcanix in the future I'd propose that the current location is a powerful manifest zone that is valuable for the research conducted at Arcanix… which would explain both why Aundair attaches such importance to the location, why they moved the university there, and why they aren't prepared to surrender it.
Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that Overlord Sul Khatesh is imprisoned under Arcanix?
Good catch! You'd think I'd remember that, since I wrote it (it's on page 31 of the 4E ECG). In my opinion, this isn't something anyone KNOWS – it's a fact for you, the DM. But it's an excellent reason to say "Arcane magic is remarkably effective in this region and people are far more likely to make amazing breakthroughs in arcane studies." People think it's because of a manifest zone, but in fact it's the influence of Sul Khatesh. So Aundair does believe it's an ideal site for the University. If I was looking for a plot hook, I'd have some Church scholar figure it out and Thrane suddenly urgently pushing to take back the region, which threatens to escalate into open conflict.
What kind of discrimination (if any) would an aristocrat face who is a devoted follower of the Silver Flame but who holds lands in Cyre, Breland, Aundair, etc. Having that kind of dual loyalty would strike me as fertile ground for rivals to nibble away at holdings.
The Silver Flame was widespread across Galifar before the Last War. Ever since the Lycanthropic Purge it's been especially strong in Aundair, which has always been the stronghold of the Pure Flame. However, devotion to the Flame DOES NOT EQUAL LOYALTY TO THRANE. Many of the Purified don't approve of the theocratic government of Thrane, asserting that involving the Keeper and cardinals in secular politics distracts the Church from its true mission and breeds corruption.
The purpose of the church is to protect the innocent from supernatural evil. Mortal politics don't enter into the equation. So a Brelish noble who is loyal to the Flame can absolutely oppose the soldiers of Thrane when they are engaged in military action on behalf of Thrane. If, say, an army of demons pops up, all of the Purified would be expected to join forces against this supernatural threat; once that's out of the picture they could return to their secular conflict.
So: an Aristocrat who is devoted to the Flame is unlikely to suffer significant prejudice in any nation other than Karrnath. However, a noble who vocally supported his national government being dissolved in favor of Thranish theocracy would likely suffer trouble.
How prolific is the CoSF in Karnath and to what degree would the Karnathi Purified have been persecuted?
The CoSF has never had a strong presence in Karrnath. The people of Karrnath are pragmatic and pessimistic by nature, and the Silver Flame is fed by optimism and altruism. Beyond this, the Blood of Vol was deeply rooted in Karrnath a thousand years before the modern CotSF was even formed… and the Blood of Vol is fundamentally opposed to the Silver Flame, as it embraces what the Church would call "Supernatural Evil". So it was weak to begin with, and most SF loyalists would have risen in revolt when the state embraced the Blood of Vol as the state faith and began employing undead in the military. This is also the reason Thrane and Karrnath have the deepest emnity of any of the Five Nations. There are surely some in Karrnath who embraced the faith of the Flame… and even if most immigrated or revolted during the war, some could have chosen to hold position and endure so that they could continue to protect the innocents of Karrnath. But they would certainly be viewed with distrust and disdain by those around them, and could easily be accused of treason (true or not).
Side note: While the state no longer supports the Blood of Vol, the cultural tone of Karrnath is still a better match for the BoV – which is a bleak faith based on the concept that the universe and the gods are our enemies and ultimate dissolution is inevitable – than the Silver Flame.
After the Day of Morning, Thrane turned away Cyran refugees. Would the Purified of Cyran birth been exempt from this prohibition?
Well, here's the thing. In the extended aftermath of the DoM I could see Thrane refusing to admit refugees. However, in the IMMEDIATE aftermath, it's the only nation I CAN'T imagine refusing refugees. The entire purpose of the church is to DEFEND THE INNOCENT FROM SUPERNATURAL EVIL. Not "Defend the citizens of Thrane" or "Defend the followers of the Flame", DEFEND THE INNOCENT. The Mourning is about as "supernatural evil" as things get. It is utterly bizarre to suggest that when faced with clear evidence of supernatural attack that anyone devoted to the Flame would turn back civilians to fend for themselves.
So frankly, the first thing I'd do would be to rewrite whichever history book says that they turned away refugees in the immediate aftermath. After that, I'd have to come up with an explanation that would make sense to me as to how they would justify turning away refugees in a long-term situation. I do feel that they would accept anyone who wished to serve the church itself, because again, the purpose of the church transcends politics. I could see AUNDAIRIAN Templars aligned with the Pure Flame taking such actions (turning back any who didn't support the Flame) because the Pure Flame is an extremist movement that frequently ignores the core principles of the faith (as shown by Archbishop Dariznu burning people)… but it's very out of character for Thrane Templars, and personally I'd ignore it in any campaign I run.
I can see the explanation for turning away refugees to involve something along the lines of, "In our capacity as worldly rulers, we are forced to separate ourselves from our spiritual roles as leaders of the Church. So, it is with a heavy heart we are forced to look at what is good for Thrane, rather than what is good for for the suffering souls of Cyre. We are therefore closing our borders to any, and all, refugees from the event known as the Day of Mourning."
Certainly. If I had to come up with an explanation for it, it would the the reasons that any government turns away refugees. I'm just saying that of all the Cyre-adjacent countries, Thrane seems like the strangest one to make that decision. Consider our options…
Karrnath. A very logical choice. Not only are they a highly pragmatic, militant culture used to making harsh decisions, they are also called out as dealing with famine and thus legitimately lacking the resources to suddenly support refugees. If I was picking one of the Five Nations to turn away refugees, it would be Karrnath.
Breland. On the one hand, you have Breland's egalitarian character; on the other, Breland is often also presented as pragmatic and opportunistic. It wouldn't surprise me to have some corrupt border patrols lining their pockets in exchange for safe haven.
Thrane. The odd duck. Thrane isn't noted as suffering from a crippling lack of resources that would prevent it from accepting refugees. The fundamental principle of the Silver Flame is protecting the innocent from supernatural threats… like the Mourning. Thrane abandoned its secular government in favor of a theocracy based on this faith, and this faith is widespread throughout the nation – so even if the secular leaders gave such an order, I'd expect many border forces to ignore it and follow their faith. Bear in mind that when Aundair was threatened by a plague of lycanthropy a few centuries early, an army of Thranes threw themselves in harm's way to protect their neighbors. They are the one nation with a proven history of altruistic behavior. Now, I have no problem with Thrane turning away immigrants under any other circumstance… but specifically turning away refugees fleeing from a horrific supernatural threat is bizarrely out of character for Thrane.
Historically, Thrane has the least consistency in its presentation by different authors. The corruption is often blown out of proportion, when a) the CotSF isn't supposed to have MORE corruption than any other faith in Eberron, it's simply that there IS corruption even in this altruistic institution; and b) the majority of that corruption is based in Breland. The zealotry becomes a focus, when Aundair is supposed to be the stronghold of the Pure Flame and Thrane the seat of the moderate faith. Heck, we can't even get consistency on the fact that archery is an important cultural tradition.
So: there is a book that says that Thrane ruthlessly turned away refugees on the Day of Mourning. I could come up with an explanation for that if I had to. But in MY campaign, I'm simply going to ignore it and say it was Karrnath that turned people away… which was an unfortunate necessity due to their limited resources.
So, in your view the Cyran refugees problem presented in the books happening in Breland, it also exists in Thrane? With ghettos and maybe a big refugee camp( like a smaller New Cyre). If not, why the refugee problem exists only in Breland? They have gone there BECAUSE of New Cyre? The Thrane refugees adopted quickly the faith and culture of Thrane and are more keen to mingle and adapt than the Brelanders?
All good questions! To be clear: My issue is the concept that Thrane would turn away people fleeing from a severe supernatural threat. Once that imminent threat is over, I have no issue with them placing political reality ahead of altruism. It's the same idea that Thrane followers of the Flame can fight Brelish followers of the Flame, but if that demons appear they should both stop fighting to deal with them. For followers of the Flame, a supernatural threat should override political concerns – but once that threat is resolved, politics are back in play.
I believe that Cyran refugees are a problem across Khorvaire (and heck, as far away as Stormreach). If there's a nation where they aren't a problem, I'd pick Karrnath… both as the nation legitimately most likely to reject them in the first place (famine!) and as the nation most use to draconian enforcement (Code of Kaius). However, I think that Breland is unique in embracing the refugees… specifically creating New Cyre, a place where their culture is allowed to flourish. Thrane could well be pushing its refugees to abandon their culture and assimilate into Thrane and the Church… given which, those with the means to do so would likely have made their way to New Cyre.
So if I was creating a Flamekeep sourcebook, I would certainly address the presence of Cyran refugees within it. But again, I'm happy with the idea that they are under significant pressure to assimilate, and that NEW refugees aren't welcome. It's not that Thrane is the kindest, gentlest nation; it's that it is specifically altruistic when it comes to fighting supernatural threats, and the actual event of the Mourning would fall under that umbrella.
The accounts of the spread of the Mourning suggest it was very fast (it was the Day of Mourning, not the Week of Mourning or the Month of Mourning, and the Field of Ruins was certainly overrun that same day). If that is the case, how are there any significant number of refugees at all? For that matter, how was there time for any official policy on refugees to be formed? It doesn't seem like anyone other than border guards would have had time to react before the refugees were already there.
Another excellent set of questions. You're absolutely correct: it's called the Day of Mourning for a reason. The first point is that the effects of the Mourning bizarrely conform to a particular set of borders. In my opinion, the bulk of the "refugees" weren't actually in Cyre when the Mourning occurred; they were soldiers and support staff either in enemy territory or land temporarily seized. This raises one of the long-term issues of dealing with Cyran refugees: most of them were actually enemy combatants, and the war wasn't over.
In terms of civilian refugees, start with those already out of the borders. Add to those communities on the very edge of Cyre… it was the Day of Mourning, not the Hour of Mourning, after all. The cloud could be seen from a great distance away, and you could easily have had a few places where there was communication – a Speaking Stone station sends a message out saying "Cloud approaching" and then drops off the grid. People on the edge who discover that no inner city is responding might have time to make it to the border… though given that they wouldn't have known it would stop at the border, odds are good that you'd just have general panic and "SOMETHING IS COMING!!!" – again, the sort of supernatural threat Templars are supposed to defend the innocent from.
HOWEVER, at the same time, it was a time of war and for all border guards would know, it could be a trick. In a time of war, it's not unreasonable for any nation to act with fear and suspicion; it's simply that of all the nations, Thrane has the most compelling reason in the very short term to set that suspicion aside to defend those endangered by a supernatural threat.
So for refugees, this gives us Cyrans in enemy territory already; civilians on the very edge who were able to flee before the Mourning reached them; and one more category: survivors. The effects of the Mourning weren't entirely predictable, and not everyone exposed to it died. The Storm Hammers in Stormreach (City of Stormreach, p.73) are a group of such survivors. So you could have had people in border communities who didn't escape – but who survived and then fled in a panic.
In any case, you're right: we're not talking about large numbers of refugees, and it would be the border guards that would be making the initial decision.
What's your take on the event leading to the creation of the Church of the Silver Flame?
Well, the 3.5 ECS has this to say…
In 299 YK, the event that started the religion of the Silver Flame took place. In that year, a terrible eruption split the ground and a great pillar of crimson fire emerged from the resulting chasm. No one understood the significance of the blazing column of flame, but most who dared approach it felt unrelenting malevolence in its radiating heat… Tira Miron, a paladin dedicated to Dol Arrah, received a powerful vision about this strange fire while exploring the western reaches of the realm. In her vision, a great rainbow-winged serpent warned her that a terrible evil was emerging in the east, riding crimson fire from the depths of Khyber itself. Tira rallied the forces of Thrane and defeated the dark creatures that had come to venerate the crimson fire and help free the malevolent entity trapped within its flames.
A key point here that's sometimes missed is that Bel Shalor was never truly free; he just got VERY VERY close to being released. This caused the appearance of demons. Some were likely drawn to the region from other points (such as his followers in the Lords of Dust), but many were probably just released from the Flame itself in advance of him… imagine a fishing net pulled from the ocean with one big fish trapped in it and hundreds of smaller fish tumbling out through the gaps. So: Demons were afoot in Thrane, and their numbers were increasing over time. However, I think that the actions of mortals were more noticeable than the presence of demons. As Bel Shalor's influence over the region grew, he brought out the worst in people. As noted in the 4E ECG, "People who fall under his sway become selfish and cruel, turning on one another instead of standing against him." So you'd see feuds and vendettas taken to extremes, the rise of petty tyrants, widespread banditry, and far worse. It makes me think a little of Patrick Rothfuss's Kingkiller Chronicles – there ARE demons in the darkness, but the people are more concerned with increasing banditry, war, taxes and the like… not realizing the darker forces that are influencing things.
Tira becomes aware of the threat, but in my opinion she doesn't just rush over and dive in. Personally, I feel that it took her the better part of a year to prepare – gathering mortal and immortal allies, traveling across Khorvaire and even the outer planes to learn about Bel Shalor and how he could be defeated. In my personal campaign, she went to the Demon Wastes to obtain Kloijner; the greatsword was forged by the couatl (technically it's a couatl frozen in steel) in the Age of Demons and was previously in the possession of the Ghaash'kala orcs.
In coming back through Thrane, the first step was uniting people and helping them break free of Bel Shalor's influence; then she led these forces and her allies to the site of the breach, where she defeated the demons and sacrificed herself to force Bel Shalor back into the Flame. Those she left behind then laid the foundation of the modern church. As a side note, in my opinion Tira was essentially one member of a party of adventurers. Dragon 417 includes an article called Miron's Tears, which identifies an Avenger named Samyr Kes as one of these allies. Others haven't been named – but these would be the people who established the Church.
One other point: While Bel Shalor was never fully released, it seems likely that his prakhutu, The Wyrmbreaker (described on page 30-31 of the 4E Eberron Campaign Guide) would have been commanding the forces defending the breach… so likely Tira and her allies had to defeat him before they could reach the Flame.
Phew! That's all for this installment. I'll certainly let you know as soon as I have any news about Eberron development of 5E. Next up: More about Phoenix: Dawn Command!
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