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'UNDERCOVER "JESUS" SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE' (posted by Do and Crew in 1995 – The Sixth Thunder
Statement posted to the World Wide Web and to 95 specific newsgroups on the Internet (edited/updated) January 1997:
UNDERCOVER "JESUS" SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE
A member of the Kingdom of God — the Evolutionary Level Above Human — I, who am called Do, acknowledge that:
1. I am about to return to my Father's Kingdom.
A. This "return" requires that I prepare to lay down my borrowed
human body in order to take up, or reenter, my body
(biological) belonging to the Kingdom of God (as I did approx-
imately 2000 years ago, as Jesus, when I laid down the human
body that was about 33 years old in order to reenter my body
belonging to the Kingdom of Heaven).
B. The Evolutionary Level Above Human is a physical Kingdom
Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in
that Kingdom identify with their soul – and its mind or spirit –
and not the "flesh" or physical body they "wear."
2. This time, my Heavenly Father – my "Older Member" – came with
me. In the early 1970's, we incarnated into adult human bodies
which were in their forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I
incarnated into a body that was in its late 20's/early 30's
(not at the birth of that body, but just prior to – during –
and following my baptism with John the Baptist).
3. It seems that each time we, or others from the Level Above Human,
come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that
Next Level.
4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven – the
Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human.
A. He actually gave me "birth" into that Kingdom – took me
through the overcoming of a mammalian civilization – long
before this present human civilization had its beginning.
B. I have served as His student and apprentice during His
relationship with this civilization.
C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator,
and is the One referred to as the "True God" in the early stages
of this civilization.
5. This time He came with me "undercover," so to speak, in order to
assist me in my task (picking up where this process left off
approximately 2000 years ago) of the further birthing – "fathering" –
experience with the ones who will be the next new "sons" or
children in the Level Above Human. To allow me to gain more
experience in the birthing process, my Older Member returned
to that Kingdom in 1985, and continues to assist and
communicate with me from a more advanced perspective.
A. As part of the undercover program, my Father incarnated in a
female body for His 15-year stay.
B. Being "undercover," which included lack of acknowledgment of
who we were historically, was required for most of our task
this time in order that we might, with as little recognition
and interference as possible, round up the souls who were our
students from the past. Even so, we were identified as a
small, radical cult, just as we were 2000 years ago. And as
was the case 2000 years ago, these prospective members left
their families and relationships in order to follow or be a
student. Now that I am surfacing again, I will again be hated
for my "blasphemy" (of who I say I am) and hated by those
families and others that are affected by all who aspire to
leave with us, because this mission requires that they
forsake all ties and binds to this world (family ties,
responsibilities, and human-mammalian indulgences).
6. These prospective new "sons" (speaking of soul identities, for
they occupy both male and female bodies) were gathered at two
different time periods – one, in 1975-76, under the guidance of
both my Older Member and myself, and the second, in 1994, after
my Older Member had returned (these were all souls that had had
a previous relationship with me before this incarnation).
7. These "students" of the Next Level/The Level Above Human were
offered the opportunity to bond with me and my Father, as a
bride would bond with her husband, though –
A. Since the Evolutionary Level Above Human has no mammalian or
human members, they had to become "new creatures" who bonded
in mind, spirit, and behavior – void of human sexuality,
human binds, and addictions of this world and this
civilization. Some in the class have chosen on their own to
have their vehicles neutered in order to sustain a more
genderless and objective consciousness.
B. The students/disciples who successfully bond to the Level
Above Human through me and my Father must also prepare to lay
down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in
order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that
more advanced Kingdom Level.
8. As we prepare to "lay down" our human bodies, while declaring
that entry into the Kingdom Above Human is available, there may
be many humans who have been recipients of "souls" in "deposits"
who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of
their world in order to go with us.
A. They will attempt to rid themselves of their old minds, and
identities, in exchange for the mind that flows through me,
as they attempt to be accepted as one of my "children." It
will "cost" them everything of this world – which they will
desperately desire to quickly be rid of.
B. If they expect to go with me, and I'm leaving very soon, they
must look to us (me and my students/disciples) for all their
needs to the best of their ability – align themselves with us
– break their human bonds – and if their declaration that our
presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the "laying down"
of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well, then
they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of that
Kingdom, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment
from that Next Level toward membership in that Kingdom.
C. If my Father does not require this "disposition" of us – He
will take us up into His "cloud of light" (spacecraft) before
such "laying down of bodies" need occur.
9. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be
identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing
respect for this world or its "system." They are, from the
establishment's point of view, being irresponsible or anti-
social – and will be seen by the world as duped, crazy, a cult
member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a separatist, etc.
10. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your
LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN
"visitations" from the Level Above Human (the last two being
2000 years ago and now). The important issue is – the Kingdom
of Heaven is here NOW in ME and these students of the Next
Level.
11. Evidence that we speak the truth is:
A. That our information and our actions match recorded accounts
of the presence, conduct, mission, and departure of our
previous visitations from the Level Above Human offering
membership in that Kingdom.
B. Any soul of this civilization who has known us in previous
visitations or has had any genuine (physical or personal)
relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is
present now, and is potentially capable of knowing or
recognizing us and this information again.
C. It appears that even the staging of some of the crashed
spacecrafts (which we suspect some of us arrived in) was in
order to help the skeptics realize that they have "visitors
from another world."
12. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one (of this
civilization) gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of
Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His,
or Representative from His Kingdom, incarnate. Connecting
with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as
I am today.
14. These Luciferians (space aliens) "jump in" immediately after
Representatives from the Level Above Human leave. They fill the
"patriarch(s)" of the resulting new religion with mixed truths
and misinformation, which reinforces the fact that accurate knowledge
concerning that Kingdom seems to be available only while
Representatives are incarnate.
15. The Kingdom of God sends crews to "tag" or make "deposits"
in human bodies and their minds/spirits just prior to and
during the time Representatives from their Kingdom are
incarnate "offering" birth. These deposits offer their
recipients "recognition" of the Representatives and, to some
degree, recognition of the "information" from the Kingdom of God.
They also act as "homing devices" to lead the recipients to those
Representatives and that information. Without these "deposits" of
"recognition," no choice of becoming a student is within the
will of a human.
16. It is our understanding that all souls of this civilization who
ever received deposits from the Level Above Human have returned
at this time, the close of this Age. As part of our task, the
Level Above Human is using us to test them. How they/you respond
to me, my students, and our information will, in fact, judge you
as to whether you will or will not have a further relationship
with the Kingdom of Heaven. In other words, coming in contact
with this information will force a decision, and with the stand
you take, you judge yourself. Some, by their choice at this time,
could be redeemed. Those who accept us and endure until we leave
will go with us, and not need to experience the "spading under"
or recycling of this planet – and will in the future become beginners
in the real Kingdom of Heaven.
Believe it or not – Your choice – Your judgment.
I hope this will assist you in whatever you might be seeking.
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Ti and Do fulfill all the prophecies with a few yet to come before this generation passes
The Beast is defined as a "venomous animal". Venom to the Kingdom of Gods from the literal heavens is that which turns a soul's eyes away from God, because that's what causes that soul to choose to serve a false God and all those are recycled at the end of the age (coming shortly), before this generation is over, the generation of his return. People may want to give careful consideration to those Heaven's Gate people who laid down their lives in 1997 and how alike hey were with Jesus and his disciples.
Jesus preached leaving all behind, family, children, lands, for He and his Father. Jesus preached "giving you life" to he and his Father's service. He told his disciples they must also give their lives (drink the cup of his blood shed) so they were all on a suicide mission except their souls would not be killed and that's what God values most though we need our human vehicles to perform our overcoming and tasks through so need to take good care of them until exit time.
Jesus said the physical body was worth sacrificing for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake, even castration, "making self a eunuch" like some of those heaven's Gate members did.
Also Jesus was not talking about a spiritual kingdom alone. The word "Spirit" Ti and Do said was synonymous with the word they most used, "Mind" which didn't refer to the content of one's brain. There are two types of Mind, from the Luciferian Fallen Angel Space Aliens thinking, behaviors and ways and from the Next Level Above Humans thinking, behaviors and ways.
He proved he was still physical after being physically killed. He ate food, was touched, spoke with them for 40 days thereafter yet he also had a different body, one that didn't look exactly the same and could cloak itself so they didn't see him enter the room with them.
He said He as a "son of man" would return. That's a "Offspring human" ,with a new name and with white hair like snow and a white head like lambs wool and snow riding a white horse. DO's vehicle was named was "Applewhite", was Caucasian and had white hair in his 40's and had purified (filled with light) his body when he woke up to his task.
He said Ti was his "Father", a woman – See Rev 12 woman gives birth to a "male son". This birth is to the throne, the position she had but was waking him up to and preparing him for and it says she leaves her incarnation before him by the earth opening up, a phrase for going to the grave. In rev 11 they aren't killed. apokteino – means, "exit, taken away, offed by death". The apo part is "off" or "away". Killed is a different Greek word.
They were "subdued" not "overcome" through the media/authorities in 1975 and they felt "shot down". They were not following prophecy so didn't know know the correct translation of Greek nikao, in this case "to subdue" where in other context it is overcome or prevail. If they had been overcome then why would they still need to be killed. Both were mistranslated and additional verses were doctored to go along with kill as there was no "dead body" in the manuscript. It was "ruin". Their bodies were ruined, which did take place in the public square, the only square where all the worlds people as it describes could see them, the media.
3528 nikaw
nikao
nik-ah'-o from nikh – nike 3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively):–conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.
And "fall on their faces" in rev 11 is also an expression like falling on one's sword, depending on the context.
There were 42 who ended up laying down their lives. 38 then 4 later. Rev 11 says there are 42 affirmations (saints) who travel about the "holy city" for 42 months. Greek "mane" has two meanings. One is as an affirmation and the other is the time frame of a month.
There were 24 who originally joined Ti and Do when they were Bo and Peep so were the elders. They said a UFO was to the kingdom of God a cloud of light, etc. They said all the space aliens were the fallen angels (their offspring) and were Souls who while they are all in the discarnate world manipulate many humans to forward their agenda – try to get off the planet before it recycles again and related agendas and try to keep people from seeing the Next Level's reality.
They produced 7 major public offerings of their information that had global reach, the 7 thunders of rev 10.
The space aliens came out of the bottomless pit in rev 9:1-2 which took place in the 1940's – 50's.
They came by crashing primitive spacecrafts to engage the "overcoming program" to become members of the Next Evolutionary Level (no more spiritual mysterious terms or stories). Evolution was NOT Darwinian. It simply meant that there was a mineral, then plant then animal then human kingdom and that human was a stepping stone to the Next Level Above Human where they had physical bodies that were made not propagated by human mammalian methods.
They had all overcome over 22 years for most and 3 years for a few and they really did prove that they were joyous to be leaving and it was NOT shown by anyone to be manipulated. In fact Ti and Do sent many away from their group over that time frame. They even paid some to leave because they didn't seem to be working hard enough to grow to be ready to leave. They turned away people. I could go on and on and on with personal memories and many prophecies fulfilled by them and to come shortly.
Do was the rider of the white horse. Bush was the red horse who brought endless war. Obama the black horse who began with a huge job of balancing the two huge "oxen" – Democrats and republicans with financial crisis as it says in Rev 6 is all about commodities – the stock market – how much money for wheat compared to barley, etc. The next horse is the green or pale/green horse. This began with 2017.
Green can mean several things; Green as in the LAST of the Two Wave Harvest (Green), or in the way President Trump was different from all other presidents, having been a rich business tycoon, rather than a career politician, thus Green could represent the color of American money. Green also seems to be shown by the new political movements, like the Green Party and as the color that represents the environmentalist movement as in "green house gas" that co-opted true environmentalist concerns for the cleanliness of our food, water and air, replacing efforts to combat that insidious problem by instilling the "belief" that humans are fostering global warming by fossil fuel usage. This 4th "horse" (a word indicating the way a human vehicle is used by a Soul as it's horse) is also the time of the 4th Seal opening and is defined by "death" which is what must accompany every harvest. The Next Level seems to have marked the year 2017 with many very greenish auroras where before then most were blues and purples.
Hale bopp comet did prove to have a companion. It was photographed by the Japanese and Hawaii though the Hawaii pic was doctored to cover it up. The 40th anniversary of Ti and Do's first stage of awakening in Borne, Texas was 2013 with meteor over Russia, asteroid near miss, lots of fireballs everywhere and finally with Pan Starrs comet that also had a companion object photographed with it (though later denied and called debris from a breakup to cover it up) and all that happened from Feb 15 – march 22nd or so. Then this year again with a meteor in Argentina that caused earthquakes in mid February, then 3 near miss asteroids in early march and comet linear and Lovejoy coming to perihelion by march 22 or so as it's not sure as NASA is totally confused in predicting these things and is covering up a huge amount of what's happening with the sun, the moon and these comets, asteroids, and meteor, and intelligently driven fireballs. ti and Do will return one more time for those that come to recognize they as the incarnate return.
Do's vehicle's "face" was named, Applewhite. That face will become something many, even most may hate to see, though he is hated for no reason just like Jesus was hated for no reason except by the religious who feared losing their prominence and following because of him. It's not any different now which is why I am often banned from christian blogs, etc.
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Ti's letters to her vehicles daughter were to help the daughter disconnect
In 1984, Ti tells her vehicle's daughter in a letter that she is not coming back but does so as gentley as she could.
Some people take this letter as an indication Ti wanted to "get out" of what she and Do began upon meeting in 1972. Others think that Do was the driving force between them and she was under his spell. Most investigators fall into believing what Balch and Taylor publish about it, rather than take what Do wrote about his time meeting Ti until Ti's exit of her physcial body. They quote Do when it's to their advantage to build their case against him. In some cases there is conflicting evidence. For instance it was reported that Terrie said they met when Ti was sending her son to a music class Do was providing. What Terrie perhaps never heard or believed was that Ti and Do were both present a number of times when they went over their beginning and it was exactly as Do later wrote about it in the book, "88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew", saying how he met Ti at the hospital where he was visiting a sick male friend and Ti was substituting for another nurse in that ward and they started to have conversation about astrological signs that interested Do as Ti had been an amateur astrolger.
But pertaining to the the letters Terrie received from Ti in 1982, 1984 and 1985, here is an excerpt from the article:
IMPRISONED BY HIS OWN PASSIONS: Marshall Herff Applewhite
By Howard Chua-Eoan;PATRICK E. COLE/RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA, DEBORAH FOWLER/HOUSTON, JEANNE MCDOWELL/LOS ANGELES AND RICHARD WOODBURY/DENVER Monday, Apr. 07, 1997
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,986142-1,00.html#ixzz0gksBScOB
…"In 1982 Nettles had written to her daughter, informing her that she had had her eye removed because of a melanoma. The cancer, however, did not go into remission. Terrie Nettles said her mother contacted her again in 1984, saying she was so deep into the movement she didn't know how to get out, that "there wasn't a graceful way to leave." In 1985 her mother said she was sending Terrie a "couple of hundred bucks" because "the time was coming close and coming to a point where they were leaving…that she would be transported by a UFO. Maybe she knew she was dying." Nettles died that year. It would be months before her daughter found out."
Here is my, Sawyer's explanation of Ti's mindset behind some of the content of the letters reported. I have not seen the full letters so can't speak to the full context but give the little that was shared, I do feel some perspective:
Do told the student body that Ti had always told him in the beginning (~1972-1973), "I'm here to get you started. Then I'm going back". Do said he always wondered what that meant. He couldn't imagine that she was meaning she was going back to her human family.
After she left her body, that I believe was depicted in prophecy in:
…as the "earth opened her mouth" depicting an earth based disease that broke down the vehicle, like Do said was from her "burning her vehicle out", that I later saw in this verse, since Do nor Ti seldom taught out of the Bible, as the "flood" of Luciferian thoughts against her, started it's first manifiestation in her eye close to three years before, Do knew what she was saying was that she would return to the Next Level before him.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ti hadn't said the same kind of think to her daughter, Terrie, that she would be returning, at the time not fully awakened to who she and Do were, because they only significantly awakened after leaving Houston. They left on 1/1/1973 and spent the next "less than 6 weeks" in a rented farmhouse in Bourne, Texas, an hour or so southwest of Houston, just a bit north of Austin, Texas. It was there that they realized in no uncertain terms that they were both "from outer space" and were here to "bring updates to the bible" and "to fulfill prophecy", though they had no idea what that prophecy was until a number of months later when at Gold Beach, Oregon.
So for Ti to say, if these were her words, as they wern't put in quotes that she was, "so deep into the movement she didn't know how to get out" when she was the greater part of how the entire movement got started seems more about saying something true but that Terrie could hopefully handle better. I know Terrie reported how it devasted her for quite a while. But frankly, had Ti wanted to, she could have left the same as anyone in the group, even for a brief visit, but then I would say that would have been actually a less thoughtful thing to do to Terrie, prolonging what Ti knew was the inevitability of her permenant end of their mother daughter relationship.
It seems Ti was doing exactly what she and Do were instructing their student body to do regarding the families they left behind – consoling them. In fact it was in around April of 1985 that Ti and Do suggested every student who had someone in their vehicle's family that might still be sufferring anxiety at their absense, unknown whereabouts and/or infrequent to no contact, should pay them a brief visit. They said other family members could choose to meet at this one location.
We were living in Dallas at the time, actually in the same house near White Rock Lake where Ti exited her body from. I flew to New York City's JFK international airport and was met by my vehicle's dad. The plan was to stay with them for the weekend, just two nights and then fly back. We were instructed to not inform them of our actual arrival airline or departure to still afford our location in Dallas some protection as Ti and Do knew there could be some that would try to locate us.
Most of my vehicle's relatives were at my folks house and we had a great visit. My vehicle's mother had at one point wanted to hire an investigator to find me, to see if I was alive, especially after the 1978 Jim Jones people's temple/suicide/murders. Most every member of the group flew somewhere for that weekend. It would have been easy to not return to Dallas, but no one chose to leave the group at that time.
After Ti exited her vehicle, nearly two years after the first visit, Do scheduled another visit. This time I went with a classmate, the woman I had joined with from the infamous Waldport, Oregon meeting that brought the story to the press in 1975 who I lived with near both our families homes in the early 70's. I visited with her family during this second visit and she visited with my family. I also visited with Jwnody's mother as she was also from Long Island and Jwnody and Ollody, who was visting with his family in Connecticut visited with my family as well. Do thought it would be good for the family to meet other members of the "cult" to see that we were with great people and my family did notice that. They also could see that given what I was before joining – a hippie musician living on the west coast and having next to nothing to do with my family in New York, I was now a clean cut person who had been a pastry chef and was beginning a computer career who had all these ideas about nutrition, etc. When my dad took me to the airport, he said to thank Ti and Do. At the time I wondered for what but realized it was for allowing me to visit but I doubt it was for his sake but for my mother's that he was thankful for as he was the one who when my mother wanted to find me and pull me out of the cult he convinced her that I was doing what I wanted to do. After all I had written a very long letter when I joined and had been living on my own since graduating high school and had been quite the rebellious independant minded youth. My dad knew there was no changing my mind. For reasons I can only say were planned by the Next Level, I hitchhiked back to NY from Oregon weeks before going to the Waldport meeting. Looking back, I was saying goodbye to my brother, sister, mom, dad and grandparents.
On this second visit, I did have the opportunity to hook up with an old girlfriend who seemed to be hitting on me. I wasn't at all interested in her nor leaving Ti and Do's classroom. It wasn't even a temptation. However on return from this second visit that most of the student body took advantage of, one student soon thereafter wanted to leave the class and a few months later was given a plane ticket and was sent to be with his brother in the San Francisco Bay area where he had visited. He then became the biggest public critic of Ti and Do even though he had nothing to say of any significance against them. He critisized them for having so many rules – like in what direction to shave I believe was one of his beefs. Of course that was taken out of context. It's not like Ti and Do spent all this time coming up with rules. The rules came about because of problems or to provide conformity. Conformity was important for crew mindedness. Usually a rule like that would come up when a classmate would simply ask how Ti and Do would do something. Since taking in their mind was synonymous with thinking, talking and acting in the same ways they thought, spoke and acted, even though they didn't tell us to mimic them, the more a student recognized the value in doing so, the more they sought to so the more questions of this sort. I believe this razor direction came up as a question on how to avoid a rash from shaving in which Do shared what he did. At that point it became a procedure but if someone was following that procedure and had a problem from it, it was procedure to write a note stating the problem to which there might be a new solution or an exception in their case. Can anyone imagine this being brought up in a public national news show interview as an example of how "controlling" they felt Ti and Do were, when he could have left at any time and didn't even have to follow the instruction as no one watched anyone shaving.
Ti and Do were never following a script except one line at a time as lines were fed to them. They always said they were only "one step ahead of the students" so to still relate to them and what they had to go through in their overcoming/changeover to new above human beings. A huge part of that is to fully bond with our Older Member's Mind who literally becomes our new family as Jesus also taught. As Ti and Do always said of the families left behind, they would be given a special opportunity to grow closer to their Heavenly Father because of your choices to become closer to your Heavenly Father. They knew it would still be painful to detach but that is what is required to sever one's roots to a former evolutionary kingdom level just as it is with a plant that is pulled up from the earth by the Kingdom (Member) Above that plant. Those of our families in their pain can seek help from their Heavenly Father to deal with that pain and in so doing receive solice and recognition that they are fine and in good hands and that our acceptance of their adult decision, even if not understood fully, will become understood in time with continued faith and desire to understand.
In Ti and Do's classroom there were many occasions where Do would, upon receiving reports of certain anxieties felt by certain classmembers about their vehicle's families they left behind, suggest letters or phone calls to some. It would happen all on one day so students could free themselves from feeling that tug on their root system that would be a distraction for the task at hand in the separation from that root system. It takes time to separate from that root system. It's not that those going through it enjoy disconnecting and nor do they not feel their families pain and sufferring at their absense from their lives. It's that it can not go back to the previous relationship so to keep a family member hanging on would be cruel.
Of course for a society that doesn't have this real sense of the reality of the Kingdom of God/Heaven, and what it takes to become a member, thinking it's accomplished by going to church/temple and tithing and abiding by the ten commandments and studying and certain practices and techniques and assisting the poor or sick while believing that Jesus was their savior or in God the Father or Jehovah or Allah or Vishnu or Buddha or Ra or other associated names, it's going to seem like an extreme or fanactic that would leave their family behind and be willing to even die for our Older Member and as a bond to their family. In some nations and cultures this kind of dedication to one's creators is honorable but in these same cultures and especially in the western world, it's only to some degree honorable if one does so by entering a traditional avenue thought to be a pathway to Godliness.
The Members of the Level Above Human thereby provide all some avenue to learn the hightest truths and let them judge themselves by their choice of what to seek and what not to seek in their continued relationship with the truth about the Level Above Human. This judgement time is in progress in an accellerate way as we speak. Of course it's not accellerated by our standards necessarily unless we become aware of all there is to be aware of in how Crews from the Next Level are seeking out each seeker from among the human population on the planet and steering them by their thirst to awareness about Ti and Do. For those that never hear about Ti and Do nothing is lost. They will be judged by what they have had the chance to know and they will be given an earlier grade in school to continue with upon return to the next human kingdom environment on Earth following the recycling period of perhaps 1000 Earth years soon to start.
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Q and A about whether Do's vehicle had cancer or talked about it – plus their choices to be castrated
I've read some of your articles.. do u really belive in aliens , ufos? Also wanted to ask, did Bo tell anyone that he had cancer?
1) Aliens, UFO's
Yes I really believe space aliens exist and have circulated around this planet from way before the current civilization and were depicted by Enoch as the fallen angels and by Moses in Genesis as they WERE "sons of God(above human Beings), having been seeded at some point in the past on Earth and/or on another planet. UFO's are simply transporation and these days are within the capacity of human governments to manufacture (within limits, as there is no natural source for antigravity found yet on our planet, so they are trying to create the energy needed from nuclear power while also trying to create the elements they know exist from the recovery of crashed "saucers". G.W. Bush talked about this desire to find an "energy source that would boggle the mind" on the Moon and/or Mars the primary reason for the announcements of those expeditions. In the Moses encampment there was a "pillar of cloud" and a "pillar of light" that led them through the desert day and/or at night. Also the object termed "arc of the covenant" was more than a box to hold the stone tablets. It actually led the encampment when they traveled and in mouth to mouth handed down stories say that it literally killed snakes and scorpions from their pathway with some type of beam. If one looks at all the records biblical and from that period and before there is considerable evidence of flying objects. There is nothing in human imagination that arrives there without having originated in some way with something real provided by the Next Level (Kingdom of God/Heaven) though through the use of space aliens and discarnates. Therefore all things are provided humans by design by these Older Members from the Evolutionary Level Above Human. Even what looks automatic was designed in such a way to have that automation but even that is in a process of change. The Next Level, however are not the ones driving today's "UFO's" as they don't want humans to be too confused by the space aliens who do operate space crafts that are metallic and can be seen at times. The Next Level do not abduct humans and have no hybridization programs and don't try to teach humans to take care of their environment or create "contactees" among the humans to be their mouthpieces by appearing to them in spacecrafts or taking them onto spacecrafts to talk to them. That's all space alien activity and all space aliens to date are the remnant of those who fell from their elementary positions for the Next Level long ago. The way in which we see Next Level activity is by "signs" as in Comets, asteroids, meteors, weather events, etc. This way it requires faith to perceive their existence where the space aliens seek to steal away someone's loyalty from Next Level studentship as they did with Paul of Tarsus.
(2) Cancer?
No, I never heard Bo(Do) in person or in anything he wrote suggest he had cancer. After I left in September of 1994, I would not be surprised if he spoke of such a possability for his exit given that was the diagnosis for Ti's exit from her vehicle. I know of the rumor that seems to be rooted in something Balch and Taylor published which may have come from a real source though could have easily been taken out of context as so many things are. However, by and large that was one of the many handy explanations for his decision to exit by laying down his life, that his student body was permitted to choose with him or seen as a way to entice his students to lay down their lives, by indicating he only had 6 months to live as was reported on CNN that initially came from Balch and Taylor.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Applewhite :
"From June to October 1995, the group lived in a rural part of New Mexico.[155] They purchased 40 acres (0.16 km2) and built a compound—which they referred to as the "Earth ship"—using tires and lumber;[156] Applewhite hoped to establish a monastery.[148] This proved to be a difficult endeavor, particularly for the aging Applewhite:[154] he was in poor health and, at one point, feared that he had cancer.[Balch & Taylor 2002, p. 221.] Lifton notes that Applewhite's active leadership of the group probably led to severe fatigue in his last years.[158] The winter was very cold, and they abandoned the plan.[148] Afterwards, they lived in several houses in the San Diego area.[79]
Medical examiners determined that his fears of cancer had been unfounded, but that he suffered from coronary atherosclerosis."
One can tell from this quote above how reporters and book writers tend to fill in the gaps with their opinions as they feel compelled to explain all this to others so no one thinks it could have been exactly what it represented itself as. According to Rio, Neody's book, "Beyond Human Mind", Do (Applewhite) worked on stuffing the tires with dirt, plus Do was strong enough to later go through a castration that did not go well but which he recovered from. That doesn't sound like someone in "poor health" though at that time he was 64 and had been through various health problems. I tried to actually provide certain insights to this wiki article but because I'm not an academic or published am not counted as a source. For instance according to Rio, they left Manzano New Mexico by November saying it was because of the upcoming winter and they hadn't abandoned the plan yet as they moved to Paradise Valley, AZ from there until it began to get hot. By then they did abandon the plan and sold the property and moved to Rancho Sante Fe to exit. But Do, even if he was fatigued wouldn't have given into it, until it took him out. They didn't know him so they were guessing.
Here is another article that probably pulled from the same sources, sumising that saying he had cancer was like a tactic, something Ti and Do never demonstrated nor had a need for, but then again this is the way humans would act so they can't imagine anything else, so they become pervayors of misinformation:
From an article by Herman de Tollenaere who sites his Sources: Rob Nanninga (1997), Jezus in een UFO; De Groene Amsterdammer, 16 April, p. 8-9 (longer version in Skepter)
Various documents on the Internet, by Heaven's Gate and others, originally published, in slightly different form, in the Indian Skeptic, 15 August 1997:
"Applewhite had told them that he would soon die of cancer (according to the coroner's post-mortem, he did not have cancer at all). If his devotees would follow him into death, a UFO, supposed to accompany the Hale-Bopp comet, would come and take them"
In this article there are many things said that are sound byte-ish and because of that are misunderstood by those who don't seek out the full truth of the matter – a choice to make. With that said, here is a little background on some of the health related things Do went through and his thinking about them that I witnessed first hand and can actually find a few former members to back up if I had to:
From Rio's book, Do did undergo a complication from his castration surgery but recovered. Well before that while I was in the group he contracted Rocky Mountain spotted tick fever and told us he felt Ti okayed (Ti had exited by then) his leaving his vehicle then, but he chose to stay. I remember how weak he was then. Before that, in the year after Ti left her incarnation he had a hernia operation but recovered from that as well. Whenever we moved, and we moved a lot and we had a lot of stuff to fill three big homes with appropriate furnishings so the home would look normal to the owners and workmen that would occasionally come through, Do would try to help carry stuff and we would stop him and tell him we needed him to lead us, not to help us carry stuff. This was after he had recovered from his hernia operation but we didn't want to see anything else to happen to him. I can honestly say that many of the students loved him more than I knew how.
A couple years before I left, Do was concerned that we might each die off from "natural" means and hated having to experience that as we were certainly a family. Ti and Do both always spoke of preferring to be "accellerated out of their vehicles" by a human. They always joked that they hoped if it came to that, the human would "shoot straight" so that their vehicle would not be left a vegetable. Both of them had this mindset which is one of the many reasons I know Do didn't change anything in that thinking after Ti left. If anything he was more cautious not to do something he was in the least bit in question of whether or not it was from Ti's mind. They both had a rule; "if in doubt don't" and especially applicable to things that could not be reversed.
But even if he had been diagnosed with Cancer, that would have had nothing to do with his desire to exit and would have had nothing to do with being sure each of the students was choosing to exit for the only ultimate "right" reason a human can have – doing so for another as Jesus taught was the greatest show of love as talk of love is moreorless worthless as love really is all about "giving" though when on the receiving end that "love" can also be experienced (received). However niether Ti or Do ever based their actions on what Jesus said though knew what Jesus had said. That's not to say they didn't take the record of what Jesus said and did as substantiation to what they felt instructed to say and do. Do would at times instruct myself or a few others who gravitated to scriptures to look certain things up.
I do know that Do had a doctor do the castration and understood that he went to Mexico to have it done though that was not the case for some of the students who went to Boulder, Colorado to have the operation. But I'm not sure where the Mexico idea came from on his castration. It may have been assumed from a report I gave of the first castation of Srrody in which I was to also experience the operation. We put up a sign in the sterile room where Lvvody performed the operation on Srrody that said "Mexico" but it was actually performed in San Clemente. Lvvody was a registered nurse and had recently been the assistant to surgery for an Orchectomist so knew the procedure. Even though as there was a slight complication Do decided to cancel my operation. But using the sign Mexico was a way to be able to tell a little white lie about where the operation was performed as at that point we knew that this could be seen as a major crime by authorities and they couldn't find a doctor that would perform the operation. One could find a doctor to perform sex change surgury but to eliminate sexuality was considered insane, though srrody and I as others had been celebate in body and mind (though I did not always control my eyes 100%) for some 16 years by then.
For those who are still trying to disprove that Ti and Do were who they said they were, saying Do had cancer or harping on it as evidence of what they think motivated he and the student body is one more easy out, (which I remind, the Next Level Older Members want to provide as that's the basis of providing the luciferian space alien fallen angels mindset in the first place as it provides free will to choose what to believe and what not to believe) because if he knew he was dying it would look easier for him to choose the time/place/method of his exit and then that of course paints him as evil to lead others in that same direction when they didn't have a life threatening illness called cancer. But as I can document extensively and do but few care to consider, there never was any misleading.
But among the many things few will look at is why would he have had a castration in 1996 right after they moved away from the "compound" they were building near Manzano, New Mexico, the Earthship they had spent 6 months building diligently, if he knew he was going to die of cancer in 6 months and was considering laying down their lives as they did, cancer or not, which was part of the plan before I left that I was witness to in September of 1994. In other words, since laying down their lives was discussed in public meetings in September of 1994 that prompted several to leave who had joined from the 1994 9 months of the second face to face public offering of the information, why bother with castrations? According to Rio, two students left their Paradise Valley location with the instruction that if they wanted to be castrated they would have to move away from their location to be on their own and would have to get jobs to pay for it on their own. Alxody and Vrnody did accomplish that. Upon return more wanted to do the same and that's when Do decided he needed to experience it before letting others proceed. So he did buy moving away and it's not clear but there is some indication he moved to a different location and got a job as a janitor but had a complication as said. Rio reports that Do said it's better to know the worst of it too. After that a few more males opted for the operation. I have reported that this procedure had been years in consideration before Srrody and I were approved by Do to go ahead with it. I had even told Do at one time, I wanted to leave the class to go to Mexico to have it done. That was my zealot side and as it turned out, not exactly for the right reasons. I was trying to beat Srrody to demonstration of my loyalty by going to that length. But I never told that to Do as it only became clear to me after I left in 1994. But then in about 1991, Do told me to wait and it would be over a year later when Do after continuiung to get petitioning from Srrody and myself independantly that he said he had received instruction to provide us with the procedure.
Of course investigators just say…something to the affect that he was "crazy", etc. and from a strictly human perspective they all were as I am and as each of us recognize is very far afield from otherwise so called normal human thinking. Of course if you are changing your body for vanity, that's considered within the norms today. But I am thankful for being "crazy" because the behavior and ways of many humans in this world is hideous to me and not just because of all the profiteering, manipulations, deceit, predatory judgmentalism, self centeredness, arrogance, intellectual and/or spiritual and/or religious so called superiority that is seen as normal. Manipulation is the rule in our society. It's called politics and/or advertising/sales and business savy/marketing and it's as dishonest as the day is long. I'm not 100% free of all these vibes entirely either and do not have the capacity to judge anyone except by their behaviors that are anti life choices and for those that don't know any better, they are not held accountable but for those that do know better the best thing that can happen on the planet, though not at all enjoyable to witness is a spading that actually is being engaged by one another against one another, while giving some the choice of who to give their allegiance to between the Level Above Human and the Human kingdom. For those that have heard of Ti and Do, it's between Ti and Do and the Human Kingdom. As Jesus said, to those that much is given to, much is required.
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New Revelations Mysteries Unsealed Video Series
NEW Revelations Mysteries Unsealed – The Two Witnesses of Revelations 11 and 12
This 2 hour broadcast covers Rev 11 Two Witnesses, bringing brand NEW translation/interpretations to most of the chapters verses that show how we are currently in the period of the 7th Angel's sounding (trumpet). Also talk of Comets as Signs from Kingdom of Gods from the literal heavens with comet ISON's proposed trajectory over the Ohio valley in line with the large array of fireball sightings in March of 2013. February of 2013 was 40 years (one hour Next Level time) from when Ti and Do were in Bourne, Texas. This was the "3rd woe" I believe that consisted of the Feb 15 meteor over Russia that did a lot of damage. See Wikipedia – search on Russian meteor for lots of good data. That was followed by fireballs and/or meteors over japan, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, England and California. That was followed by the near miss asteroid like a shot over the bow of the earth that prompted U.S. congressional talks about how to deal with asteroids. That was followed by March 10-20 by the Pan Starrs comet that I saw a photograph posted by NASA to have a companion object in it's coma. That was in front of it's path close to it's head. Hardly a piece breaking off. And this was the anniversary of Hale Bopp's with it's photographed pic of the companion object. That was followed all done by April 2013 by fireball and/or meteors sightings from Vermont to Florida with the biggest density along the Ohio basin down to the Virginias – the belly of the beast which is the area where bpearthwatch claims ISON will fly over with it's huge trail of largish objects which seems to be defying the calculated timing.
Also talk about UFO's crashes and release of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels in Rev 9:1 from their underground prisons in the 1940's – 1950's.
On vimeo:
NEW Revelations Mysteries Unsealed – The Four Horses (humans) of the Apocolypse
This broadcast mostly covered Revelations chapter 6, what has been referred to as the four horses of the Apocalypse. Scripture indicates in this context these 4 horses are actually depicting humans, as to the Next Level a human is like a horse. This context is explained in Zechariah. Marshall Applewhite was the name of the White Horse, having as prophesied: Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; This "vehicle" (body) was "sit upon" – taken over for His task by the same Soul who last had a physical vehicle named "Jesus". Jesus said the eye is the lamp of the eye. An lamp gives off light, thus through his eyes others can come to see. G.W. Bush was the "horse". A discarnate luciferian space alien inhabited him and used him as a figurehead to stimulate "endless war". Then Obama, as the black horse is also influenced by a discarnate Luciferian space alien to help steer the two beasts of the republicans and democrats with his focus while in office being financial. He inherited financial crisis and wall street people became his closest advisers.
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New Revelations Mysteries Unsealed – The Rev 12 Woman is Ti incarnate
Talk about the astronomical references to Rev 12:1 where the "woman clothed Sun" where sun = a ray of light and Sun representing the Father is saying that this individual is that "light ray" that chooses to wrap around her "light body", the actual Soul that came from the Next Level by discarding their existing physical body in a "ufo crash", the body of a human woman (as there are no male or female members of the Next Level, and all these revelations have literal application to the end times we are certainly engaged within). The use of "clothing" is rooted in what we wrap around our body and there are many references to "making our clothing pure, related to light and related to white (though as a race are certainly not pure but are actually anything but as purity is not based on skin pigment but IS based on behavior and ways). For instance "cleaning our robe", putting on white raiment, etc. as to the Next Level a physical body is LIKE clothing in that if it's removed They are NOT dead, while in the human kingdom they are dead – (discarnate) and still exist as a spirit to eventually be recycled at the garden's recycling time, while if that human bonded with a Next Level incarnate representative while they were incarnate or soon afterwards then when they die their "soul body" however tiny and even seed like in it's development is "saved" so is literally taken to a Next Level "heaven" a literal location in a Next Level dwelling (one of the levels in enoch's described seven heavens). And the moon, in the next few words is the "body" that absorbs and reflects that "ray of light" to the Earth that serves as this Womans footstool, the way students can reach "her" (the Father) through as Jesus served and as Do served as.
Also spoke some on the next few verses in Rev 12 pertaining to the mistaken translation of "crown" from two distinctly different greek words and contexts, one referring to the dropout dragon's fallen angels versus those who were slated to receive their royalty as kings having conquered the human kingdom which was depicted to be on this "woman's" mind (head) for the task on earth.
Also talk about the adam and eve story with some new perspectives of how and why that took place.
Debunked Christian saying Ti and Do were hybrids from fallen angels – plus Revelations 11
Covered lots of info about Ti and Do not covered before, but with some repetition and towards the end spoke about the debunking of the vague video inference to Ti and Do being hybrids from fallen angels. In the last 15 minutes re-translated and re-interpreted Rev 11:7-9 talking about how They are "overcome" is not the best descriptor. To subdue was more what happened and that is a completely viable translation option. And they later "separate from/by (earthy) death" as in "exit their human containers" when they have completed all they had to say with is not necessarily when their 1260 days of prophecy was completed as there are two words used. "Prophecy" and "witness", where witness is also "record" or reporting to the judge. Then spoke of how their "dead bodies" was greek ptoma = "ruin or failed" not dead or body at all so that it matches with "subdued" and get rid of the extra words translators added, "shall lie" as they did have to lie at all. Street is a wide plate more like a public square but if it's for people of kindreds and nations and tongues and nations that has to be a "melting pot" area that is covered by the media to accomplish which fits what happend in the US to Ti and Do. This area is likened to "spiritual" (non-physical) Sodom, and/also Egypt and Jerusalem so is NOT those places where this occurs. The public sees their ruin for a small period of time and it seems to indicate 7 years as there was 7 years from 1975 for the first media to 1982 with the TV Movie "Mysterious Two" though I may still have that wrong.
Rapture and Number Code Phenomena – deceptions to steal humans away from Next Level Ti and Do Belief
Below some questions about "rapture" and the "number code phenomena":
Just had a couple questions is the rapture teaching a deception from the lower forces to abduct people in mass?
Second question is the 11:11 repetitive number code phenomena another deception or distraction if not can you shed light on the subject
This can seem absolutely crazy, but the entire civilization – what we all consider the norms are a mix of mammalian instincts and their desire for survival, Luciferian type "fallen angel" space aliens, now primarily in discarnate (spirit) form together with their human and human equivalent descendants, because of how they propagate their seed with mortal humans on Earth and how these very same descendants are currently influencing humans (and factions in military/government) on Earth to make choices that have a great deal to do with the "shadow governments" that are also behind many events that usually are later called conspiracies who are also mostly behind the UFO phenomena since the 1940's and 1950's to date. Some of the crashes of what to the Next Level would be primitive spacecrafts that the Next Level used to get their crew in the earth environment in an undercover way for the Two Witnesses (Ti and Do) led project of presenting a third trimester overcoming of humanness program to test those they were considering to have join their crews as members of the evolutionary Level Above Human, the old name being "Kingdom of God" (Above Human Beings (existing Ones) from the literal heavens). These all constitute the "Lower forces", a phrase Ti and Do used as they were all of the evolutiouary level BELOW Their higher evolutionary level. And these "lower forces" are referred to as the "beasts" that also have their heirarchy with the ones called the Dragon referring to the actual "fallen angels". These Fallen Angels when they propogated and then died, continued to "influence" those they propogated and whether or not any one space alien group know who their progenitors were is a case by case basis. But they all see what Ti and Do called the Kingdom of God/Heaven – Evolutionary Level above Human as simply an organization out to control humans, so they are being humanitarian to steal some away from belief in Ti and Do as they want a certain amount of new membership to replace those who die. Of course this process of trying to steal those humans who were prepared by the Next Level for growth in one of their trimesters towards "spirit/soul birth" has been going on from the start of the experiment with those called Adam and Eve who were not the first humans on Earth and were not necessarily the first such experiment on Earth. The temptation of Adam and Eve was one such attempt. There were many attempts in the Jehovah/Moses led experiential "classroom" and the obvious example of the way Paul of Tarsus was mesmerized into belief, a way to infiltrate who the Luciferians see as their enemy by making a double agent, though he didn't know it, so that he would say some things that he got from Peter and other disciples of Jesus while at the same time mixing in his own mind and Jewish upbringing that ended up becoming the foundation of Christianity today as seldom are the core teachings of Jesus spoken about or considered as what can be expected in any return of those same "holy" Minds/Spirits.
Thus in a sense you are correct. Rapture is another of the ways humans can be "caught" by the Luciferian lower forces when it's proper application has to do with humans given the opportunity to join with an incarnate Older Member from the Next Level who in at least the 2nd and 3rd trimesters need to "separate" from their human families to literally be with and form a real personal relationship with that Older Member who will take them through the lessons they need for the stage they are at in this three trimester birthing program. This is the Next Level "catching away" (rapture) a human from their otherwise normal mammalian life, illustrated by Jesus saying to his disciples that he was going to make them "fishers of men(humans)". Their human families don't want to let go of those humans any more than a mother bear wants to lose her young (that is until they can fend for themselves and then they must fend in large part on their own). Many in human families cling to their offspring even after they have shown to have become adults.
However, I doubt the space aliens want many humans on their spacecrafts with them and especially don't want humans that don't believe in space aliens or spirits in actuality as aside from theoretical belief as they would not be able to get them to cooperate with their agenda and would be an interference in their tasks. So they primarily seek out Souls as space aliens can not create "souls". Souls are those humans who received a "deposit" from the Next Level, an actual "container or pocket" that is a frequency structured, thus like a firmware "chip" that provides for interface as a homing device and container that can receive and store "mind" (information) only relative to future Next Level membership according to the "grade in school" of that human according to the Older Members and Crew determination.
So I don't think we will ever see a physical rapture event like is portrayed by populist christians though humans are abducted by these space aliens to be used for experimentation on their hybridization efforts to produce new "vehicles" they can then "inhabit" (influence) and/or to groom a few to be "ambassadors" to other humans on the ground. They are who are behind the cattle mutilations that occurred in a rash in the mid 1970's which suspiciously looks like it was an attempt to link such with Ti (Peep) and Do's (Bo's) forming group then though just like humans use animals to experiment the Luciferians use humans and animals as well and even help humans to proceed with the same kind of research, thus the various cloning programs that false prophet Rael and company are deeply engaged from his experience when abducted to become a contactee.
At the same time there is a growing concern that governments will be creating events that will require marshal law and necessitate putting people in FEME run internment camps like what Hitler and company did to dissidents and Jews in the 1930's and 1940's. This may become a reality and especially because of the very real programs that are underway and have been underway for decades to build underground facilities to use in case of any disaster. There are all sorts of ways this could go.
As far as numbering "codes", I think they are like you said, when related to the bible, etc. distractions from what is taught. However Ti and Do did say that one form of humor in the Next Level is playing with humans in a harmless way by at times doing things in ways that can show correlations to the past and thus future BUT even with minor observation of some of the patterns, as patterns are throughout the garden's design, it won't bring anyone any closer to Next Level Membership UNLESS it leads them to "plain" talk as Ti and Do illustrated big time. So I don't know about 11:11 or 5:55 50 or 57's though certainly there is a lot embedded to do with a seven and a twelve and a two and various multiples with times and dates and numbers of their crew.
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Jude 1:14 "ten thousands…saints" come – actually= "many/myriad" verses Ti&Do's 42
I received a question about the interpretation of:
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
It seems the question was surrounding the usage of "ten thousands", perhaps related to my talking about Ti and Do and their small crew as being the crew and the first fruit harvest participants that amounted to 42 student graduates from the human kingdom in 1997.
There are a number of considerations in these two verses:
1) The number of "saints" and who the saints are.
2) when do they come
3) what constitutes their "execution of judgment upon all"
4) Is it a separate time from their "convincing all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds to include hard speeches.
I don't think we can count on the order of these questions being in the order of how they were meant to unfold, which only applys to questions 4 and 5.
First off, here is the verse from Enoch, Jude seems to be referring to:
Enoch 2:1 Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
However, since I don't have the Hebrew translation of the Book of Enoch, I will use a verse from the Old Testament Moses writings for examples of the translation/interpretations of "ten thousands" and "saints":
Deu 33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands* ((many, increases, million, multiplied)) of saints** ((consecrated, appointed, clean, purified, holy, hallowed)): from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
*ten thousand = 7233 rbabah reb-aw-baw'
from 'rabab' (7231); abundance (in number), i.e. (specifically) a myriad (whether definite or indefinite):–many, million, X multiply, ten thousand.
7231 rabab raw-bab'
a primitive root; properly, to cast together (compare 'rabiyb' (7241)), i.e. increase, especially in number; also (as denominative from 'rbabah' (7233)) to multiply by the myriad:–increase, be many(-ifold), be more, multiply, ten thousands.
**saints = 6944 qodesh ko'-desh
from 'qadash' (6942); a sacred place or thing; rarely abstract, sanctity:–consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary.
6942 qadash kaw-dash'
a primitive root; to be (causative, make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally):–appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy(-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify(-ied one, self), X wholly.
1) Regarding the number of "Ten Thousand" and who they are; we can see that "ten thousand" is not essentially related to a precise number the way it sounds to us. After all the Kingdom of God/Heaven created humans with free will so even though they may know exactly how many seeds they planted, they don't know how many the thorns or rocky soil or birds will devour. If they did know that there would be no free will. That's the point of the "judgement time" for people to "choose" who to give their allegiance to, as Jesus said to The Father (God) of the Kingdom of God in the literal heavens OR to Mammon (human wealth in all it's forms, mental and material, behavior and ways).
Thus one would naturally lean to the general translations, a primary one being listed as, "many" even with the characteristics of "increase and multiplicity", the way Jesus spoke about the yield of the "garden". In fact one might wonder if this use of "ten thousand" from the Hebrew 'rbabah' from 'rabab' is actually speaking about those who have just purified themselves and thus ARE THE INCREASE or the YIELD from the first fruit harvest. One might replace "ten thousand" with "increased Tribe/Family" since "thousand" is used that way a great deal in the Old Testament as shown below in this document.
Here we see in the parable of the way the Kingdom of God/Heaven are "gardeners" spreading seed…
Mar 4:8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased*; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.
*increased = 837 auxano {owx-an'-o} a prolonged form of a primary verb; TDNT – 8:517,*; v
AV – grow 12, increase 7, give the increase 2, grow up 1; 22
1) to cause to grow, augment 2) to increase, become greater 3) to grow, increase 3a) of plants 3b) of infants 3c) of a multitude of people 3d) of inward Christian growth
And note how this Greek word translated to "increase" has to do with growing (in numbers) that also at times relates to a "multitude of people". Doesn't multitude also relate to "many" or to a "myriad" that the Greek translators took from previous Old Testament translations of Moses where it's used in a number of places in the same way.
However with that said, we still don't know how "many". And of course there can be thousands of participants in the harvest whether they are some who already graduated into the Kingdom of God/Heaven working for the current harvest which would qualify them as "saints" or those who died for the Kingdom of God/Heaven since the start of the civilization and were back now to assist with one or both phases of the harvest by looking for human vehicles they can interface with, because those humans want to grow closer to their heavenly Father so Our Heavenly Father sends those Souls to those humans who are asking to help them grow and in this case it would be so they can begin to "consider" that the one they believed in named Jesus 2000 years ago had returned using the names that ended up being from the notes of the scale, Do. (Ti and Do said the movie the Sound of Music they felt was given to humans to produce to be a type of smelling salt to them. We watched that movie many times in my 19 years in the group).
With that said of course there can be literally "thousands" of participants, whether on the ground incarnate or in a nearby cloaked spacecraft or even in Soul or Spirit form, in the overall Two harvests of Rev 14 detailed below and depicted by Jesus' reference to how he had at his command what appears to be thousands (legions):
Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
where a legion is translated as:
3003 legeon {leg-eh-ohn'} of Latin origin; TDNT – 4:68,505; n f AV – legion 4; 4 = 1) a legion, a body of soldiers whose number differed at different times, and in the time of Augustus seems to have consisted of 6826 men (i.e. 6100 foot soldiers, and 726 horsemen)
But as to the number harvested this time; Of course everyone is familiar with the Rev 14 depiction of 144,000 though as can be shown there are all kinds of ways to break up that depiction as the word "thousand" (shown below) often simply means "family" and/or "tribe", thus 100 and 40 and 4 (of that tribe (children of Israel)). It is simply not biblical to think there are 144,000 in the first or second fruit harvest though can certainly be possible, yet humans may not SEE those numbers. Below some examples of the use of numbers in these regards.
Here are some related verses:
Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand (times) ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Remember "thousand" is a family, a clan, a tribe, a group and can be a general 1000 or "many"
This sounds very much like this:
Enoch 70:10 And I beheld angels innumerable, thousands of thousands, and myriads and myriads, who surrounded that habitation.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of ((1537 ek= denotes origin, after, from, among)) all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Note how this verse indicates this number came out OF the tribes of Israel so it could have actually meant 12 came from each of the clans/families that came from the entire "tribe".
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Note: These have His Father's name written in their foreheads. How come the Father didn't have a name when He was incarnate as Jesus? When Jesus taught his students to pray, he said, Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be* ((to make and be holy)) thy name…
*Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be ((37 hagiazo= to make holy, be holy)) thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Since this was a prayer given to the students to use as a idea of how/what to communicate to their Heavenly Father, Jesus would have had them asking to be made pure (holy) while the way this is worded it's like acknowledging the Father is pure/holy. If we are praying to Him doesn't that tell Him what we think about Him? Also the individual would be asking to come into His kingdom, not asking for his kingdom to come back so much. And they would want "thy will be done" meaning that they would want to do His will. It's their asking to do His will not just saying we want his will to be enacted over the human kingdom on Earth as many think of this. Jesus wasn't teaching us to pray for the world. He was teaching us to pray for ourselves in relationship to our growing into Their family which requires us to know what They would have us do. In the next verse where it says, "give us this day our daily bread", that wasn't asking for food for the body. Jesus told us that his/their students did not have worry about where they were going to get their food from or what they should eat. This "bread" was the nourishment to our mind that we need to take in/absorb (eat) every day. Thus he was saying to ask to know His Mind, his thinking, his behaviors and ways.
Here is another clue as to the number's being low where Jesus indicates many soul seeds are planted, but of course what may seem like "many" and "few" to the Kingdom of God/Heaven versus human ideas are certainly going to be different just like time periods are different, (i.e. a day in the Kingdom of God/Heaven is like 1000 years on Earth for humans):
Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Note the indication of a first and last fruit harvest where those who think themselves "first" are "last" (because of the way the Kingdom of God/Heaven gifts the preparation to different ones at different times.
Some practical thinking about the number based on Jesus student body size:
For those being harvested, one could suspect that the first fruits would be a small number as Jesus only had 12 original disciples (not counting the female disciples who for various reasons were not up front in that society, though some of which may have in fact been further along towards their eventual "soul/spirit birth" than those who got the spotlight. Then there were 70 Jesus sent out:
Luk 10:1 After these things the LORD appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
Which as was recorded as "also" brings the total number to 84 students.
Then after Jesus exited by taking his physical body into that cloaked spacecraft, as they don't just float around outer space, about 120 were counted:
Act 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
SUMMARY OF HOW THE NUMBERS CAME ABOUT IN TI AND DO'S GROUP:
Incidentally, the first two private meetings Ti and Do gave in Los Angeles yielded a number in the mid 20's. Ti and Do at that point didn't think they were going to have followers but these wanted to go with them so they said they could meet them in the next area to which they were traveling.
By the time the group had done another 10 meetings (Ti and Do's third); in the San Francisco bay area at Stanford (held by students only) and Canada College (held by Ti and Do but filled the auditorium twice back to back, their first public meeting) and then in what became the famous Waldport, Oregon meeting (Sawyer joined from), (that Ti and Do spoke at) then 4 student run meetings on the same day/time in Ft. Collins, Boulder, Golden and Colorado Springs, Colorado followed by one follow up meeting given by Ti and Do at Arapahoe Community college in Denver actually resulted in 70 students when arriving at Chicago when the Network News "subdued" Ti and Do by announcing the names of the human vehicles they inhabited and told of the misunderstanding that resulted in a felony conviction (plea bargain to not have to wait for trial after being in jail for 6 months) of car theft (thief in the night) though they didn't steal anything in actuality. Then by the end of the harvest announcement by Ti at a college in Manhattan, Kansas on April 21, 1976 and a subsequent gathering of the entire student body in the "wilderness" of Wyoming, at Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National Forest east of Laramie, Wyoming I recall a count of 96 but Do spoke about in a little booklet Do wrote entitled "'88 Update – The UFO Two and Crew" as "about 100". Then a couple months later, after Ti and Do sent 19 away from the group saying they weren't ready because some were still wanting to smoke pot and/or have sex, etc., and some that left for their own reasons the numbers were back down to the 70's. Then there was further filtering out of those who were still along for the idea of a ride on a UFO, or had decided if such didn't come to pass by a certain time, they were going to leave followed by Ti and Do doing things to test students resolve, like sending students to visit the families they left behind (if they wanted to and knew that the family members still sought to know what had happened to them, since we were almost entirely without family relationships for 10 years) that eventually stimulated some to leave. And then some who didn't want to learn certain lessons like "I could be wrong", a lesson to help us transfer our confidence from ourselves to our Older Member were arranged to leave followed by talk of the possibility of allowing students to choose to be castrated, something Jesus indicated was not out of the question when it FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD/HEAVEN (OLDER MEMBERS):
Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
This idea is related to:
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
This is showing that to the Next Level the human body is what we must grow to be willing and able to sacrifice TO graduate because the Next Level will assign each graduate a new body and since all human bodies die anyway, though it should never be a trivial or causal or poorly thought out sacrifice, it was in line with the overall overcoming of our humanness to be willing to give it all, as Moses and Jesus reaffirmed was the first commandment.
Then since some had grown comfortable in our great communal lifestyle and since because a number of the classmates had well paying jobs in the world so that we had some funds, Do offered $1,000.00 to anyone who wanted to leave.
The numbers ended up in the mid 20's by 1992 when Do felt to provide another public offering of he and Ti's information, which took the form of informational ads in USA today, and many alternative type newspapers, a video series and then the second face to face meeting tour by the student body. (Do never did give another public meeting after he and Ti said they were done in 1976).
From all this some former students who had dropped away and were still in touch asked to rejoin and some new members joined from the face to face tour and then I left and some of the new members left when we began talking seriously about laying down our lives as it was apparent by then that the lower forces were not going to instigate our exit. My dropping out was not because of talk of taking it upon ourselves to exit. I was still clinging to too much of a "spiritual" sense of being special and began to have too much confidence in myself and my self discipline while at the same time was being subtly deceitful about my discipline against sensual permissiveness – what I would allow my eyes to look at and what thoughts I would not abort as quickly as I needed to do to keep my vehicle from getting a little stimulated from. I even asked Ti who was outside her vehicle by then for a harder task "like Do's" which showed 18 years with them and I still had an illusionary idea of what it took to perform a task like Ti and Do's. So as I see it, Ti took me up on it and opened a "gate" that let a Luciferian influence that was one of Do's "boogers" (what Ti and Do called these fallen angels in evil spirit form) influence me and I caved immediately and over nearly the next year could not recover. I did not even have the desire to recover. It's like my balloon was completely deflated and I was masturbating and hiding the fact. But Do soon saw that I was out of sorts so I surfaced my "missing of the mark" (sin). After the 1974 nine month tour of the U.S. and Canada holding public meetings I was still indulging in self stimulated sensuality and I no longer had the "overseer" types of tasks I had become accustomed to having because of, but Do then offered to give me a new overseer task partnered with one of the female students and I said I couldn't do it, the first time I chose to not follow my Older Member's instruction. Do then asked me what I wanted to do and I said, I had to leave and he said, "to become more objective!". Do then told the students not to try to talk me out of leaving and the next day they gave me $600.00 and a plane ticket to Arizona where I said I wanted to go. But all in all, by the time of their exit in 1997 there were 38 students plus Do and after their exit four former students also layed down their lives at different times in the next year bringing the number up to 42 students.
This brings to light on the meaning of 42 in:
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
This refers to 42 who "tred under foot" as Month has more than one meaning. 3375 and 3376 are both listed as "men", pronounced "mane" with one meaning month like the time frame and the other "a particle of affirmation; assuredly, surely to indicate 42 people who had made their covenant.
So that is a general overview of the way the numbers fell in Ti and Do's group.
Here are some verses that use "thousand" that actually is being used as a number:
Genesis 24:60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands* of millions**, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.
* thousands = 505 'eleph eh'-lef
prop, the same as "eleph' (504); hence (the ox's head being the first letter of the alphabet, and this eventually used as a numeral) a thousand:–thousand.
** millions = 7233 rbabah reb-aw-baw'
Exodus 12:37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand* on foot that were men, beside children.
Mind you, the word "ten" is not actually listed but was added as a part of the definition of the Greek "murias". It appears the mention of the verse in Enoch 2:1 by Jude influenced the translation though the phrase "ten thousand*" is used in the Old Testament as:
07233 r@babah {reb-aw-baw'} from 07231; TWOT – 2099d; n f
AV – ten thousand 13, million 1, many 1, multiply; 16
1) multitude, myriad, ten thousand
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands* of his saints,
*ten thousand = Greek 3461 murias moo-ree'-as
from murioi – murioi 3463; a ten-thousand; by extension, a "myriad" or indefinite number:–ten thousand.
3463 murioi moo'-ree-oi
plural of an apparently primary word (properly, meaning very many); ten thousand; by extension, innumerably many:–ten thousand.
But this verse in Jude is actually referring to:
This same kind of expression is used in a number of places in the book of Enoch and Revelations and in this one below points out how varied the terms are. But also, in the Old Testament, the translation to "thousand" could have equally been translated to "tribe" or "family". With that in mind, one could see it saying a 1000 tribes or representatives from 1000 tribes, but in any case it seems that there are a large number seen or coming back with the Lord.
Enoch 40:1 After this I beheld thousands of thousands, and myriads of myriads, and an infinite number of people, standing ((standing up for)) before the Lord of spirits.
This usage in particular really through me for a loop at first. Note how the English word "thousand" and "thousands" are two very different Greek words. The words in single parentheses (…) were some of the words added by translators. I put my re-translations into double parentheses ((…)) and opinions in brackets […].
Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts ((2226 zoon=living beings, a mistranslation confusing it with Greek 2342 therion=venomous wild dangerous animal, what is let out of the bottomless pit, a reference to a Luciferian fallen angel [today's space aliens]))) and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand* (times) (ten) thousand*, and thousands** (of) thousands**;
* thousand = 3461 murias {moo-ree'-as} from 3463;; n f
AV – ten thousand times ten thousand 2, two hundred thousand thousand + 1417 2, innumerable multitude 1, ten thousand 1, innumerable company 1, fifty thousand + 3902 1, thousands 1; 9
1) ten thousand 2) an innumerable multitude, an unlimited number 3) innumerable hosts
**thousands = 5505 chilias khil-ee-as' from cilioi – chilioi 5507; one thousand ("chiliad"):–thousand.
5507 chilioi khil'-ee-oy plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:–thousand.
In any case, it appears that one could expect these to be a lot, perhaps related to the 100 and 40 and 4 thousand and/or tribes and/or families.
Ti and Do said that the Evolutionary (not Darwinian) Level Above Human, their phrase for what the scriptural records referred to as the Kingdom of God and/or Kingdom of Heaven, what they also called the Physical Kingdom in the literal heavens as the term "heaven" means "elevated areas" (above the ground of the Earth, thus sky and near to outer space are all covered, but it's an environment that is in total where members of this Next Evolutionary Level abide/dwell, are employed.
It is Next Evolutionary Level, because the Human Kingdom is a stepping stone for Souls to have the chance to "evolve" by being given opportunity and thus choice plus hands on direction of every step from incarnate Older Member(s) (Heavenly Father(s)) of that Next Level. Use of plural is because the Father/Jehovah was to Jesus and to Jesus' students their Heavenly Father, while Jesus is to his students also a Heavenly Father WHEN he is not incarnate because then He is in his heavenly abode that Ti and Do said was a physical spacecraft.
So I suppose this question may be related to my saying that the Heaven's Gate group consisting of the Two, Ti and Do, plus at their exit time, 38 plus 4 who exited by laying down their lives in the year following March 21-23, 1997 totaling a mere 44, was the first fruit harvest as depicted in Rev 14:
Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Note: This does require loss of their physical bodies, the "stalks" of the wheat the sickle illustration is required to CUT down to reap the content of it's "head" the Soul (fruit).
It will be noted in the 2nd Harvest phase that there is the same necessary loss of physical life by severing of the "vine", but that the vine's fruit needs to experience "giving their blood" as part of that harvest process. This is equivalent to the way Jesus disciples knew they would have to give their lives "standing up for Jesus and what he taught" knowing since he was hated, they would be too so unless they kept their "light" under the bushel basket, they would be drinking (consuming/taking in/accepting) the same cup (task) of shedding their blood. Those who become disciples of Ti and Do now are like those who heard about Jesus from the ones who were physically with Jesus and believed. Belief alone was enough to qualify to be "saved" for a future opportunity to overcome the human evolutionary kingdom (world), while some who would also choose to serve would learn what Do gave as instructions to be his student. That instruction was to "stand up for Ti and Do and disseminate the information they left behind and accept what comes as a result (though not looking to stimulate that result, but not hiding from it either).
However, this still does not explain "thousands" coming back or a myriad or even just many as 42 is hardly many in most people's mind. But that number being the first fruit is not the total number of Soul seeds planted/deposited by the Next Level in the NEW temple area of the Earth, (mostly the U.S.). Plus the verse indicates this number are returning to exercise the judgments of those who chose not to believe in Ti and Do when they had many chances.
Ti and Do told us that there were "thousands" of members of the Next Level, not millions or more. They didn't get any more specific. They also said upon graduation many if not all of these members would actually have a celebration. However, these potential "thousands" are already Members of the Next Level so don't need the human(caterpillar) cocoon to chrysalis (christening) experience to become a "butterfly" again, but there are many tasks associated with this harvest as They want to give most every human who could qualify the chance to say yea or nay to Ti and Do. Ignoring the decision is "lukewarm" and is a distasteful nay to the Next Level Older Members.
To satisfy all prophecies one must be willing to consider that the "second coming" occurs in two stages, the return (incarnate) followed by a return not incarnate referred to as "in His Glory" (brilliance, shining like the sun). Do wondered if that finale might involve an armada of Next Level spacecrafts which can be in operation all around us right now but cloaked so well that humans have no way to detect their physical nearby presence. There have been a number of serious events that suggest they are in close proximity. Comets are "signs" the Next Level uses and Comet Pan Starrs and Ison were the last two that I have a number of reasons to believe were the "3rd woe". Asteroids and meteors are also used by the Kingdom of God/Heaven and starting on Feb 15th 2013 there was a whale of fireball activity, a meteor/asteroid that did major damage to a Russian city, the closest near miss asteroid on record, within the orbit of the Moon and the Pan Starrs comet that showed photograph of a companion object in it's coma (head), related to Hale Bopp yet also covered up.
Plus there have been many signs in the Sun and Moon, crashing waves, earthquakes and perplexed nations galore plus extremes in drought and cold/hail in the last few years. There have been quite a number of events seen by space telescopes that caused the NASA people to rush into meetings to discuss. Most of these think it's space alien related but Do said the space aliens really aren't space aliens as they can't actually travel very far into outer space though some were allowed to come to Earth via a one way wormhole.
So without laying out the myriad of scripture evidences right here, it does seem apparent that when we see Do and Crew in the sky/heavens that will be satisfying those prophecies that spoke of seeing "Jesus" return with Power/glory, which will be apparent and those who have not familiarized themselves with the real Ti and Do as opposed to the media "Ti and Do" to decide to believe in them or not, will be put to a final test at that time.
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Comparisons between Moses and Jesus and Ti and Do's "classroom" missions
Below I have included a comment I received and my response:
It is X-ian myth in the sense that most x-ians think it applies to them… You hear lots of preachers and republicans quoting leviticus to justify their hatred of gays. Those same preachers and republicans eat shrimp and shellfish, though..,. which was also a grevious sin.
Mosaic Law is a lot like the tediousness the Class had to deal with when doing anything (making biscuits, measuring salt, etc.) I believe that Mosaic Law had its roots in what was "at the time" commonsense heuristics to avoid disease and death… that sort of thing. The tediousness in the class was meant more to "overcome" thinking… Class members were NOT to think — at least not to think using their plant brains. But important to The Two was that apparently the "next level" valued those who could take instructions for a "task" and complete them to the letter of the instructions — hence the "check partner" concept… Mosaic Law didn't advocate for check partners because it was more legalistic…
In the "Class", the instructions were just to demonstrate an ability to "not think" for yourself. Mosaic Law was to show solidarity to their fatih… a grand "side effect" of the law (which jesus came to destroy btw) was to unify the Jewish people for the ages — Jews still carry on these traditions — and as such have been "insoluble" agents in any "melting pots" society has had since. Jews have maintained their traditions and identity because their law isolated them from "us".
A group of Lubavitchem jews moved to Postville Iowa to start a Kosher slaughtering plant — and the "townies" were shocked at how unabashedly unfriendly these Jews were to them… It was a clash of cultures… the "friendly iowa" culture that wanted to embrace the Lubavitchem and the Lubavitchem that wanted nothing to do with that world.
A book was written about it and it is very interesting: Postville: A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America .
In a way, the Class was like the Hassidem
Exodus 3:14's "I AM That I AM" as the name given to Moses from the burning bush – plus Ti and Do truthfullness
The following is my response to a comment that was claiming this Exodus verse was a "mind f**k" because of how it is recursive "I am that I am". After this evaluation of that verse I addressed this commentor's other statement that "Nothing Ti and Do said came true". Thus here is my response to both:
You stimulated my look and see. In this verse the words in parentheses were added by the translators. This is often necessary because of the nature of languages where one word or figure represents a picture or idea, etc., but sometimes it seems, especially in the new testament greek re-translation that I do a lot of, different translations give different slants.
Exo 3:14 (And) God said (unto) Moses, (I) AM (THAT I) AM: (and he) said, (Thus shalt thou) say (unto the) children of Israel, (I AM hath) sent (me unto you).
It's interesting that when I looked at this I wondered if this translation didn't get the order right and I wondered if it should have been something like, "…Moses, I AM, thus say to the children of Israel "I AM" hath sent me to you". As is evident none of the I's are in the manuscript and the entire third listing of "I AM isn't in the manuscript. So taking all the parentheses words out it would read:
God said (to) Moses, Am (that) Am said, children of Israel sent. (Funny how I remember the cartoon Popeye where he went around saying, "I am that I am". I bet it was a Jewish writer).
Then turn the order a bit to, "God said to Moses, Am". (in response to his question of who he should say sent him). Then "Am sent you to the Children of Israel".
The other thing I looked at was whether the word translated as "AM" in both cases had additional options not considered. For instance, knowing a bit about this, I wondered if both, "am" and/or "exist" and/or "do" are equivalent translations. In any case with those two thoughts I looked at the other translations and 4 out of 6 said the same as we see in this king james translation but this one was much different:
Brenton Greek Septuagint (LXX Restored Names):
And God spoke to Mosheh{gr.Moses}, saying, I am THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you.
Strongs Hebrew dictionary lists for the English transliteration of AM as:
AM = 1961 hayah haw-yaw – a primitive root (compare 'hava" (1933)); to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):–beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.
1933 hava' haw-vaw' or havah {haw-vaw'}; a primitive root (compare "avah' (183), 'hayah' (1961)) supposed to mean properly, to breathe; to be (in the sense of existence):–be, X have.
This is most interesting as it brings it to the perspective that this being breaths and breath throughout the records has a direct relationship to "wind, mind aka spirit" and mind when it is from a Next Level Above Human being is relative to human mind, "pure" thus spoken of in religious terms as "holy" – having no mammalian vibrations in it as they have evolved beyond mammalian.
2) Now where you said, "Nothing Do and Ti said ever came true… and they felt bad about it, but you kids loved them and didn't let things like that bother you", that of course is not at all true.
You are probably referring to their saying that the students need not die to go to the Next Level, which ended up being true but by Their and the Jesus definition of "life" and "death".
And you are probably referring to their saying that we students could anticipate their performing a demonstration of death overcome that they thought meant their physical bodies would be killed the way Jesus physical body was killed and the way many of Jesus students physical bodies were killed.
But in actuality they did demonstrate the rising from the dead twice, first from the figurative death at the hands of the media, which is what they realized the "killing" meant at that time, to which they "stood on their feet" as it says in Rev 11, even so much so that they came back into the global limelight as the Heaven's gate "suicide" cult and as it says in prophecy, horrified those who saw them. Their exit didn't at all resemble any of the other "suicide cults" – Jim Jones Peoples temple nor Solar Temple who all were wrought with murders and deceit and revenge and pressure and guilt, the handiwork of the discarnate Luciferians that sought to create a facsimilli of what they knew Do and Crew were considering/planning as it was no secret that Jesus "layed down his life voluntarily", as much a classification of suicide as a coma kazi pilot or soldier that gives their life for others.
But since these can seem like excuses from a believer, how about the testimony of Hayden Hewes in he and Brad Steigers book "UFO Missionaries Extraordinary" they wrote with interviews from believers and former believers and non believers and from Bo (Do) and Peep (Ti) in 1974, 1975 and 1976. Hayden, a non-believer but one with an unusually open mind recounted his great surprise when he used a code he said Ti and Do gave him to use if he had any questions for them. Nine months after interviewing them and getting the code from them, after their story hit the press big time, Hayden used the code and by the next day he received a phone call from two students of Ti and Do who were with Ti and Do at the time. The next day Hayden was curious whether it would work again so he used the code and again he received a phone call from two other students of Ti and Do and they asked him if he wanted to meet with them, to which he said yes and within a short time were at his office doorstep. This was all spoken of on page: 73. Here is the excerpt:
Hayden says of July 13, 1974 in the office of his International UFO Bureau, Inc. in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma …,
"As the interview was ending, "Herf" gave me a simple thought-code sequence to use if I ever needed to get in touch with them to know the truth.
Shortly afterward, The Two said good-bye and walked out of the office toward the street. I accompanied them to the road and started to return to the office. I immediately turned around–and they were gone. There were no cars on the street, either parked or passing by. It appearned that they had simply vanished."
Sawyers note: Years later in the 1980's, Ti and Do told their student body of how this was reported in the media when they did nothing miraculous to leave Hayden but walk off. (However, one can wonder if the Next Level crew even unbeknown to anyone else cloaked Ti and Do without their knowing they were cloaked, one way to account for their apparant vanishing from Hayden. We known the Next Level Above Human has this power.
(Continuing with Hayden's account:)
"It was not until almost fifteen months later that The Two began to hold public meetings. A great deal of media coverage was generated by their appearances at these gatherings and the message they related.
It was at this point that I decided to use the mental code to find out "the truth." It was my understanding that it was necessary for followers to undergo death to get to the next level, but I wanted to know for sure. So I used the code while asking for the truth in the name of our Father in Heaven.
The following morning, I received a telephone call from a young man who professed to be a follower of The Two. He said he had been directed to contact me. "What do you need to know?" he asked.
After several minutes of conversation, it became plain to me that this individual did possess information that had not been related in the media. He advised me that they would always be in touch with me when I needed him.
I tried the code again that night, and the following day the young man called once again. He wanted to talk in person, so I gave him my address. Less than three minutes later, he was standing on my front porch with another individual.
*** end of excerpt from Hayden Hewes testimony ***
I can think of many things Ti and Do said that to me came true, but they will not be proof for you. They told me that spirits – discarnates were real. I believed it but I had not experienced much until some years ago when I literally, on a number of occasions, even to the other night saw spirits while I was completely awake. It's true that two were after being awoke from sleep so some could say I was dreaming but they were nothing like any dream. I pinched myself and all. The other occasions which were more often were while awake, actually before falling asleep when the lights were off but there was just a little light form led's and moonlight/starlight and I would struggle to know what I was seeing as they weren't as clear as those two.
Ti and Do also told us in the early 1980's that genes could be changed. Now perhaps they read it or watched a TV channel that suggested it, which is fine if that is where they came upon that belief. I'd be curious to know whether anybody was writing books with that in mind in the 1980's as I know for the most part it was taught in schools that if it's in one's chromosomes it's hardwired which may not be exactly the same thing as gene changeability.
They did say that they would physically die.
They said that space aliens existed and when I met them I had no interest in ufo's or space aliens and it only dawned on me in a revelatory way that the accounts of crashed ufo's with bodies actually happened in 1987 after Do provided the student body with the book, "Crash at Aztec" and made parts of the appendix required reading, some of which included a detailed autopsy of recovered ufo occupants that crashed presented by Leonard Stringfield. However, in 1976 while having lost contact with Ti and Do and any other students except for the one I was assigned by Ti and Do months earlier, I saw a huge distinct Z written in the sky, with straight 90 degree angles by a bright ball of light traveling as fast as a falling meteor, but with no sign of a tail or break up that encompassed the entire sky over Corpus Christi, Texas in 2-3 seconds. Of course that again was proof to me but as some deny any of the thousands of reports over thousands of years are intelligently piloted spacecrafts it is not proof to them.
Aside from these few things, there are many, many circumstantial confirmations of what they taught and said. Another comes to mind that was saying the Next Level was holding back calamities from the United States so the classroom could have the freedom to exist and be able to disseminate their information freely. Then after they left the 9-11 attack happended and the patriot act was passed which was certainly a calamity, plus some horrific storms like Katrina and Sandy and all these now common mass and school shootings all evidencing a gradual increase in calamities in the U.S. since the class has exited yet not so fast that we who are still disseminating Next Level info to the public are shut down from doing so, though that seems to be approaching.
I could go through all the fulfillments of prophecy that I believe demonstrate that Ti and Do are who they said they were.
But all in all, everything they said was true for the moment and can be seen in a true light IF one wants to. They always said, that this or that perspective was "true for now" – in other words appropriate for what the students needed. The classroom in many respects was a "follow the leader" lesson to where the leaders were Ti and Do. To the next level if we were willing to see exactly what Ti and Do said as true then we were showing the signs of having detached from our human roots of reasoning, etc. to trust in their Minds and that shows the purpose of the classroom to offer the "astronaut training program" to all who wanted it so those who pass the course could be trusted to perform service on spacecrafts with very important ramifications to our choices. They don't want nor need anyone on their crafts who will start to tell them how to do things better but that does not at all mean They won't require of us to use our minds to arrive at choices our Older Members would recognize as having come from their minds because they too want to draw their answers from their Older Member's minds which is a chain of mind to the chief of chiefs.
Inet Radio on Ti and Do's fulfillment of the Two Witnesses Revelations 11 Prophecy and on Inet TV as well
I'm broadcasting tonight 9-11pm et on Inet radio and USstream TV focusing on the Two Witnesses of Rev 11 as a student wants me to prove how Ti and Do fulfilled all those prophecies. Can call into radio show at: 646-478-5618 to listen and/or talk or just go to the address to listen and log in to chat at: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sawyer and to watch my funny face on TV go to: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/heaven-s-gate-cast
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