OU: Original Universe. The timeline introduced in the original games and seen up until Black and White 2.
MU: Mega Universe. The timeline where Mega Evolution exists, as introduced in X and Y.
UU: Ultra Universe. A minor branch off of the Mega Universe. So far, only Ultra Sun and Moon exists here.
LG: Let's Go Universe. The timeline where Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee takes place.
I couldn't really detail the intricacies of the split Pokémon timeline too much on the page, so I thought I should make a post to better describe my thoughts on how this all works.
First, for those who don't know, a multiverse is the idea that multiple parallel universes can exist. Each of the individual universes can either be almost exactly the same as another, or completely different. In the quantum theory of the multiverse, every time a choice is made, the universe splits. In one universe, one option is picked, in another, the other option is instead. This happens over and over again, in a cascading effect, quickly creating an infinite amount of universes, across which anything and everything has happened in at least one of them. These universes splitting off of each other can be thought of as a tree, where branches grow off of other branches. Some branches are tiny twigs, while others are thick limbs. Using this analogy, branches of the timeline can be grouped. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire confirmed that Pokémon exists in a multiverse, by stating that there is another version of the Hoenn Region in another world. This is heavily implied to be the version of Hoenn seen in the original Ruby and Sapphire games, explaining the differences between the two sets of games.
So now comes the question, where did I get the "four primary branches" concept from. From the context of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire mentioned above, we know that there are at least two main branches to the Pokémon timeline. There's the one without Mega Evolution, the Original Universe, and the one with Mega Evolution, the Mega Universe. The split occurred based on the firing of AZ's Ultimate Weapon. The Mega Universe is where he chose to fire it, the Original Universe is where he didn't. These two branches are the main branches of the primary four.
The next universe to be introduced is the Ultra Universe, where the events of Ultra Sun and Moon take place. Compared to the split between the Original and Mega Universes, this one is pretty small. So you can think of it as a small branch growing off of the thick limb of the Mega Universe. This universe is essentially the same as the Mega Universe, the only known major differences being those that stem directly from the actions of Necrozma. It is unknown exactly what the point of divergence is, but the main differences come from Necrozma interrupting the events at the Alter of the Sunne/Moone. It's possible that Necrozma simply decided not to attack in the original Mega Universe, but it's also possible that split occurred much earlier, and perhaps Necrozma was never imprisoned in the Megalo Tower to begin with in the Mega Universe. It's impossible to know for sure.
Then there's the Let's Go Universe. Not much explanation is needed here. Let's Go presents events completely differently from Red and Blue/Fire Red and Leaf Green. The main difference is that the protagonists of Let's Go, Chase, replaces Red. Since Mega Evolution exists, it would be a branch off of the Mega Universe timeline Once again, there is no confirmation as to why this split occurred. It is my speculation that in this version, Red and Blue began their journey earlier than they did in the Original and Mega Universe, meaning that missed out on the random events that led to them becoming the trainers we know them as. However, it's worth noting that Chase and Trace live in the Original Universe houses of Red and Blue, meaning that there are other unrelated differences to this universe as well.
All this leaves a big question. Why are Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire and Ultra Sun/Moon considered their own universe, but not Fire Red/Leaf Green and Emerald? The answer to that question is, they actually are. While the multiverse may have only been introduced officially in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, it had existed since the very beginning. In fact, the very nature of Pokémon's dual version releases (as in releasing both Red Version and Blue Version) means that timeline splits existed with the very first Pokémon games. Red and Blue Versions both show the events, but with slightly different versions of them. That is, by definition, a presentation of parallel universe. And it doesn't end there. Yellow Version later came out, creating a third split in the timeline. And then, ten years later, there came Fire Red and Leaf Green, creating two more versions of the same events. The reason I do not list these as separate universes is because they all just minor twigs on the same main branch of the timeline. Fire Red/Leaf Green shows essentially the same universe as Red/Blue, with minor differences, while Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee does not. Emerald is just a slightly different version of the same events from Ruby and Sapphire, and can mostly coexist with them, but Ultra Sun/Moon has some major events that are completely different from Sun/Moon, making it a bigger divergence.
The multiverse gets even crazier when you consider the implications of the Link Cable mentioned in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. In it, the Link Cable is a mysterious item that allows Devon Corp. to send the incoming meteor to another world. So, essentially, it is a machine that allows transport and communication with other universe. Now, the Link Cable was made as a reference to the real-world object that allowed Game Boy games to connect to each other. It's what allowed players to trade and battle with other players. Now, let's think about the implications. In Red Version, we have one Red connecting to another Red and trading using the Link Cable. Since the first Red can now use the Pokémon received from the second one in the trade, that second Red is, technically speaking "cannon" to the first Red's journey. The only way for this work means that literally every single save file ever created on a Pokémon game is its own parallel universe. Think about it. The Pokémon multiverse truly is infinite in its expanse.
And all that's not even considering other big non-game branches of the timeline, such as the anime, manga, trading card, and spin-off game universe.
If any of this post doesn't seem to make sense to you, feel free to ask in a comment. I'd be more than willing to explain better.
Yeah. That's right. I went there. I canonized MissingNo. I feel it was something that's just bound to happen, I mean MissingNo. has pretty much become a Pokémon of its own. And with the recent re-release of Red and Blue, it's more popular than ever right now, so why not turn it into a real Pokémon?
Each part of this episode is inspired by how MissingNo. actually works. The mysterious old man that Ash and friends meet plays the part of the old man that teaches you how to catch Pokémon. Then Ash and the others taking a blimp ride to the coast and then a boat ride along the shore is just like flying to Cinnabar Island and surfing up and down along its coast. It's no wonder Ash encountered a MissingNo. Ash being buried underneath the massive pile of Pokéballs is of course a reference to the infinite items glitch associated with MissingNo. and Ash's loss of memory of previous leagues is an adaptation of MissingNo. corrupting the Hall of Fame. The final reference is when reality itself begins to crumble around Ash in the climax. This emulates how MissingNo. would corrupt the sprites of trainers and Pokémon when sent into battle. Oh yeah, one last thing. April Fools.
Description: According to myth and legend, Seluna, under the guidance of the Cosmic Architect, created all of the moons in the solar system. It's crowning achievement is the Earth's moon, where it is said to dwell.
Trivia: Seluna is the cover Pokémon of Luna Version. The pattern on its upper chest is meant to invoke the actual Moon. It's name is derived from Selene, the Greek goddess of the Moon, combined with Luna, the scientific term for the Moon. It's red eyes are meant to invoke the theme of having a "red" legendary each generation, such as Ho-oh, Groudon, Palkia (it's more of a pink, but close enough), Reshiram (it glows red), and Yveltal, all of which are based off of Red Version and Charizard.
Description: In legend, Terratlas was created by the Cosmic Architect in order to construct the planets of the solar system. It is said to have modeled the Earth in its own image. It is rumored to live in high Earth orbit, always watching its prized creation.
Trivia: Terratlas is the cover Pokémon of Terra Version. Its name is a combination of the Latin term terra, meaning the Earth, and Atlas, the Greek Titan that held the Earth on its back. The main landmass on Terratlas' stomach is meant look like the Kanto region, while the landmass on his shoulders (the one with the mountains) is meant to invoke Tenno, and the one on his hand with the volcano is meant to invoke Hoenn. The white on its head and feet are meant to be polar ice caps. Terratlas' blue eyes are meant to relate it to the trend of having a blue legendary cover Pokémon, continuing the tradition of Lugia, Kyogre, Dialga, Zekrom (it glows blue), and Xerneas, all which stem from Blastoise back in Blue Version.
In addition, the Attackdex/Abilitydex has been updated with these Pokémon's signature moves and abilities. Also, make sure to visit my Fan Fiction profile page to vote on which game you would pick.


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Siegfried, Rivera, Hyman, Lerner, De La Torre, Mars & Sobel, P.A.:
Construction, Community Association and Real Estate Law
During the 40 years of its existence, Siegfried, Rivera, Hyman, Lerner, DeLaTorre, Mars and Sobel, P.A. (SRHL) has helped clients shape Miami's world-class skyline. Well-known for their work in construction and real estate law, the firm's attorneys have also been leaders in serving community associations throughout South Florida as well as business clients with interests locally and around the world.
"I am proud of the longevity of our firm," said Siegfried managing partner of SRHL, which is based in Coral Gables with offices in Plantation and West Palm Beach. "We have grown through the years to 46 attorneys, now have two generations of partners here with the capability and culture that will allow SRHL to thrive for generations to come."
Shareholder Lisa Lerner, who joined the firm in 1982, said the SRHL attorneys share their knowledge and experience in related legal fields to advise a loyal base of clients, including more than 200 businesses and 500 homeowner and condominium associations throughout Florida. "Our firm is like a large, extended family," she said. "We trust each other, taking pride in our personalized professionalism. That makes SRHL a special place to work."
Gary Mars, Oscar Rivera, Stuart Sobel, Steve Siegfried, Lisa Lerner, Helio de la Torre, Elisabeth Kozlow, Roberto Blanch
Launching the Firm
Siegfried grew up in New York, became an attorney and worked for the New York County District Attorney's Office in Manhattan. "I lived on Staten Island and was walking to the ferry in the winter sleet and snow, when I decided it might be nice to live in a warmer climate," he recalled.
In 1976, Siegfried passed The Florida Bar and accepted a position with real estate developer and attorney Samuel Schoninger, moving to Miami with his wife and his first two children (his third child, Nicholas, is a lawyer who was recently welcomed into partnership at the firm). A year later, Siegfried and Schoninger founded the firm, and, as the business warranted it, brought in additional partners, including Oscar Rivera, Lerner and Helio De La Torre. "Our nucleus has been together for nearly 35 of our 40 years," Siegfried said. "Our clients in the 1970s and '80s included Miami's leading developers and builders. We are proud that many of them remain our clients to this day."
Siegfried became one the region's first construction lawyers, teaching courses at the University of Miami School of Law and writing a 1984 textbook, "Introduction to Construction Law" which is still updated annually. He became a board-certified trial attorney and board certified in construction law. He is also a founding fellow of the American College of Construction Lawyers (ACCL).
Today, construction law is one of the firm's key areas of expertise. "This field has grown increasingly complex and sophisticated," said Siegfried. "In recent years, we have been involved in some of the world's most technologically advanced projects, including the PortMiami tunnel and 1000 Museum Tower, a high-tech condominium tower in downtown Miami."
On the litigation side, shareholder Stuart Sobel is board-certified in construction law and is a circuit civil mediator who has broad experience presenting the most complicated construction disputes. Also a fellow in the invitation-only ACCL, Sobel has been trying and arbitrating "righteous causes" throughout the United States since 1978.
"Presenting complicated engineering, construction, accounting and insurance concepts to a fact finder in a manner that demonstrates our clients' entitlement remains a rewarding challenge, even after 38 years of practice," Sobel says.
Sobel handles large claims for U.S. and international clients. Presently, he represents the subcontractor who fabricated and erected the new canopy over the Miami Dolphin's Hard Rock Stadium, where there have been 9-figure cost overruns. He also successfully represented the steel fabricator whose steel was incorporated into Freedom Tower at New York's World Trade Center in a dispute involving approximately $40 million.
Sobel and Siegfried also recently won a $4 million arbitration award on behalf of a small contractor from Barbados and represented Miami Dade College in recovering $33 million related to the collapse of a parking garage (which has now been rebuilt from the ground up).
Through the years, SRHL has handled hundreds of the most complex construction defect matters, ranging from Chinese drywall to roofing, plumbing and elevator problems, as well as post-hurricane insurance claims and rebuilding issues, which implicate the most complicated insurance related issues. "We have represented many condominium associations in their claims for covered losses," Siegfried said. "We choose to represent policy holders, rather than insurance companies."
Community Association Law
SRHL has a long history of serving the state's homeowner and condominium associations. Shareholder Michael L. Hyman began representing community associations in 1970. Two years later, he was appointed by Governor Reuben Askew to the first Florida Condominium Commission. In 1986, he co-authored Florida Condominium Law & Practice, a comprehensive text on condominium associations, and in 1994 he was inducted into the charter class of the College of Community Association Lawyers (CCAL).
Lerner, considered a leading authority in the field, has served high-rise condo associations and other clients for more than 30 years. She has handled virtually every type of issue that arises in the community association milieu, from drafting governing documents to identifying and implementing solutions for governance, financial and construction issues. "We are now seeing electronic voting in association elections for the first time," she said. "We are also seeing many communities setting up special assessments to upgrade the common areas, such as the pool and clubhouse, for aesthetic purposes."
Shareholder De La Torre also practices in community association law as well as construction litigation, litigating the multi-party, multi-issue defect suits that arise out of new construction or conversion of properties to condominium. A frequent speaker at professional seminars, De La Torre is a past president of CAI's Greater Miami Chapter and was chairman of its Florida Legislative Action Committee.
"We have seen steady growth in the association market, and the types of cases we handle," he said. "I handle the litigation on the condo aspect of our practice, including some very complex cases, such as Brickell House, a condo with a robotic garage."
With new condo developments underway throughout the downtown Miami area, De La Torre says some older associations need to be dissolved so aging buildings can be torn down for new construction. "Even some luxury condos from the 1980s and '90s are being bought out," he added. "The market is changing, and there is plenty of construction-related litigation."
Shareholder Roberto Blanch has been a member of the firm's community association practice, working with developers as well as associations since 2001. "We are all committed to staying on top of this field," he said. "Clients expect quick responses and our firm delivers just that. We are also well-versed in handling every aspect of complex transactions and litigation matters."
"Balancing the needs of a community association is always critical," said shareholder Gary Mars, who joined the firm in 1991. "Being available to address the simple to the complex, the general operations and litigation concerns in a timely and efficient manner is a service this firm works very hard to provide to our clients. We pride ourselves on the quality and depth of our attorneys, and their ability to provide those necessary skills in all situations."
Real Estate and Business Law
Shareholder Rivera leads the firm's Real Estate/Corporate Practice Group. Since 1981 he has represented residential and commercial developers, investment companies, municipalities, lenders and retailers throughout the United States and Latin America.
"Our team has extensive experience in drafting sales, leasing and lending contracts," said Rivera, who has been a leader in the International Council of Shopping Centers (ICSC). "We also represent a variety of residential developers. Our goal is to create effective solutions for our clients."
Rivera has guided large real estate investment trusts (REITs), individual and regional developers, property owners and small retailers, including creative restaurant concepts, like Icebox Cafe in Miami Beach. "We're now working on a public-private partnership in Hallandale for a community food service," he said.
Looking at current market conditions, Rivera said, "We are now in the seventh-inning stretch of our market cycle. The residential side is generally slowing well. But pay attention to the lenders – when the pace of new loans slows down, that's when the market will dry up."
SRHL's practice areas also include handling the commercial and business matters that our real estate and non-real estate clients face, according to shareholder Elisabeth Kozlow. Since joining the firm in 1988, her areas of practice include aviation transactions, commercial leasing and real estate transactions and she serves as outside corporate counsel to domestic and international corporations. She served as chairperson of the Aviation Law Committee of The Florida Bar and has been a member of the committee for several years, and has also been involved in ICSC.
Reflecting on the firm's focus serving the changing business needs of its clients, Kozlow said, "The nature of our practice leads us to develop expertise in fields related to our core competencies. As a boutique firm committed to excellence, we will continue to deliver that highly personalized service in the future. We have grown with our clients and take great pride in providing the highest quality legal representation while being mindful of our clients' bottom line."
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Tata Communications adds fully-managed Microsoft Azure Virtual WAN service to its IZO™ cloud platform
July 2019 by Marc Jacob
Tata Communications is expanding its global relationship with Microsoft with the addition of managed services capability for Azure Virtual WAN. Enterprises worldwide are now able to combine IZO™ Internet WAN with the Microsoft global network to connect employees seamlessly and securely to cloud-based applications and data through the new managed service. Furthermore, through the IZO™ SDWAN service, enterprises are able to gain greater visibility and control over this hybrid network infrastructure. Tata Communications is one of the first partners to leverage a new Azure Service Provider Management Toolkit, launched today at Microsoft Inspire, as part of the Azure Networking Managed Services Partner (MSP) Program.
Tata Communications was chosen to be one of the first Managed Service Providers for the Azure Networking service, because of the company's track record of deploying and managing complex next-generation networks for a number of global customers across 3,000+ sites globally. One of Tata Communications' hybrid and SDWAN customers is Carlsberg. As the growing use of cloud-based applications has led to 70% of Carlsberg's network traffic being on the Internet, the IZO™ network by Tata Communications has given the global brewer 10 times more bandwidth, reduced costs by 25%, and halved the occurrence of network incidents.
This latest collaboration between Tata Communications and Microsoft builds on a long-standing relationship between the two companies. Since 2014, enterprises have been able to connect their branches and data centres to the Azure cloud securely and reliably using the IZO™ Private Connect MPLS and Ethernet service and Azure ExpressRoute.
Tata Communications was recently positioned as a Leader in the 2019 Gartner Magic Quadrant for Network Services, Global [1] for the sixth consecutive year. Its IZO™ cloud enablement platform includes the IZO™ Internet WAN and IZO™ Hybrid services, which enterprises are able to leverage using IZO™ SDWAN across more than 150 countries worldwide. IZO™ Internet WAN gives businesses the reliability, flexibility and predictability of a private network with the global reach and scalability of the Internet. IZO™ Hybrid combines IZO™ Internet WAN with Tata Communications' Global Virtual Private Network.
Tata Communications' cloud and hybrid networking capabilities are underpinned by its global tier-1 network, which carries around 30% of the world's Internet routes, and its partnerships with ISPs and the major cloud providers, including Microsoft, Amazon, Google and Alibaba.


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Stephen King 🕮
Legal Weed🌿
Public Schools🏫
I read my first Stephen King book when I was in high school. It was summer, if I remember correctly, and everywhere I went, I carried a worn library copy of Pet Sematary.
Since that time, King's words have been a regular companion through every stage of my life. I walked with the Gunslinger for many, many years. The amazing story It provided some hilarious high school memories with a classmate friend who hated clowns. Monday morning, I woke up, fed Luna The Bulldog, downed a big glass of water while the coffee brewed, grabbed a cup of said coffee and sat down to finish King's latest work, Fairy Tale.
That I'm able to read at all is something I have to pause and appreciate. There was a time in the midst of Longhaul COVID hell that attempting to read written words caused my brain to short-circuit. I have never found the right way to explain what would happen, so I'm left saying that when I tried to read a book, I couldn't. Brain fog is real for Longhaulers, and it sucks. For more than a year, I completed no books, a far cry from the days in which I'd read at least 30 to 40 in a year.
Then King's Billy Madison led me back. It was a shorter book, a simple story, and I figured I'd give it a try. I finished it. When my eyes took in the last words on the last page, they involuntarily filled with tears. It was a significant moment in what has been a long, ongoing recovery from this stupid disease.
I followed up with King's Blaze, and I finished that, too. Now, I'm back to being a regular reader, and I've decided to collect each and every Stephen King book ever written. But I'm not just going out and buying all of them on Amazon or something. I'm spending the time scouring second-hand stores and treating it like a treasure hunt. Friday after work, I had a few minutes before meeting Wifey Poo for our date, so I stopped in a Goodwill store and found Nightmares & Dreamscapes and The Eye of the Dragon. Total cost? $3.24. My plan is to re-read all of the books I collect.
Finishing a Stephen King book is, for me, filled with mixed emotion. There's the joy of ending up at the finish line of an amazing tale, and Fairy Tale was no exception. There's the sadness of saying goodbye to characters — people — you've gotten to know. Today I bade farewell to Charlie and Radar and all the fine folks of Empis.
Soon, I will have a part of Stephen King's work with me forever. I'm planning my next tattoo. My favorite line in any book I've ever written comes from King's The Dark Tower series: "Go then. There are other worlds than these." And there are. I believe that. I've seen that. It's gonna be a part of what I hope is a boss tattoo.
Today, yes, I say goodbye to the people from King's latest work. Up next are those from his earliest. Hello, Carrie.
I look at the fact that, so far, we have gotten through another Election Day without violence and further undermining of our "democracy" as a good thing. I admit: I didn't vote. Bottom line? I don't have faith in Muricah, and I don't see any candidates on the ballot who represent me or my interests and do so without being bought and paid for by lobbyists and corporations.
I was, however, interested in how Amendment 3 in Missourah turned out. It's the one that would legalize recreational cannabis, and it appears to have passed. Good on us, Missourah. I'm happy to hear people with non-violent convictions for marijuana will have their records expunged. It was the height of hypocrisy to allow drugs far more potent, addictive and damaging than weed be something doctors prescribed like they were Pez dispensers while making something like cannabis criminal.
Red state, blue state … I don't really care. I live in the midst of a Redneck Trump Riviera. None of these politicians are free from undo influence by lobbyists and corporations. I'd much prefer whoever the masses elect just leave me the hell alone.
Top 5 Cool Things We Don't Appreciate Enough
Welcome to Issue No. 12 of Listicles, the feature that presents the Top 10, Top 5, Top 3, Top 100 or Top 1,000,000 of whatever it is you want to know about. Email your Listicle suggestions to johnagliata@gmail.com. It's easy to appreciate the big things. That I have two sons here on Earth who are…
Wifey Poo returned to the public school classroom on Monday for the first time in a long time, and boy howdy did it make me glad we homeschool.
Prior to bringing Boyz The Elder and Younger into the Here, Wifey Poo was a middle school and high school math teacher with a strong interest in special education. She is good at what she does. She taught in the Dayton (Ohio) Public Schools and more than held her own with kids coming up from horrible upbringings and more challenging circumstances than most of us could ever contend with.
Now, she's a substitute teacher in a local school district. Boy The Younger is of the age where he's able to work independently on his school stuff one or two days a week, and Wifey Poo is preparing for an eventual full-time return to the classroom when he graduates.
The public schools have changed a lot since she was last in them. The inmates seem to run the asylum, and things labeled as "special needs" really are just kids who need some consistent discipline. The kid she was tasked with shadowing had an individualize education plan because he "says inappropriate things." This amounted to him basically having a license to be a disrespectful jerk to adults. No, it's not Tourette Syndrome. It's that this kid — a fourth-grader — doesn't like being told what to do and hasn't learned that, at the age, well, tough titty.
Listen, I respect behavioral issues and actual diagnoses of legit medical issues. I understand the theory behind inclusion. But this kid is just a punk who's found a way to game the system to get what he wants, which is attention and to not do his work. In the end, the ones who suffer are those who are bright and willing and able who are held back while, despite having a teacher and and individual babysitter to help him get through the day, this kid slows down the entire educational process.
It's really not hard to see why Muricah is falling behind internationally.
I scheduled time for two more tattoos early next year.
Work trip to Florida coming up.
Coffee.
Tags: amendment 3, cannabis, carrie, democracy, election day, fairy tale, longhaul covid, missouri, public schools, reading, stephen king, teacher


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Oh man, this is such a good song, I love both live versions. In typical Ike and Tina style, they keep upping the ante in what was already a sad, sad song.
"A Fool for You" starts out slow and bluesy, mostly just piano, drum, and voice, with some horns gradually ebbing in and out. Where Ray's delivery is worn out and sad, Tina has a little more life to her. It's one of those passionate, early Tina performances that tear me up. But she's going to use that extra spirit to pile on the heartbroken hyperbole.
And I KNOW THAT YOU EVEN CRY SO LOU-OU-OUD!
But I wanna tell you that EVERY SINCE, EVERY SINCE I WAS 2 YEARS OLD!
Now that's a fool for love!
This is a live recording, and you can hear some women respond when Tina sings, "I wanna know what makes me be a damn fool for you." This reminded me of an interesting thing I read in Ike's autobiography. He said that when he added Tina as the singer in his band, lots of women resented her ('cause Ike was such a heartthrob) and didn't respond well to their performances due to jealousy. So he purposely gave her songs that would make her seem more sympathetic to female fans. I remember he mentioned their version of "All I Can Do Is Cry" as an example. I think the choice of "A Fool for You" was part of this strategy, too.
This is one of my favorite songs on these live recordings, mostly because it showcases Tina's voice really nicely. Besides being included on The Ike & Tina Turner Show – Live Volume 2 LP, "It's All Over" was released as a single with "Finger Poppin'" in 1964.
Your guess is as good as mine as to who wrote this song. This live LP has a lot of reworked rock songs and blues standards. I've never heard "It's All Over" before, but that's not a good indication of whether or not it's an Ike composition. In any case, it's a fine soul number.
The loove I once had for hi-im has all grown co-o-old / Oh yes it has / And it TOOK A MINUTE of prayer [?] / But no-o-ow I've reached my go-o-oal / Oh yes I have / But IT TOOK A LOOONG ti-i-ime/ FOR ME TO MAKE UP MY mi-i-i-ind / but it's A-A-ALL over now / It's all over! / Yeah / I said it's all over now / I wanna tell ya that / I don't love him / Oh no, I don't / And I SAY THAT I-I-I don't need him / Any MO-O-O-ORE / OH NO I DON'T / Because HE'S too BOLD for ME / And that's why I let him go-o-o / Oh yes I did.
Her voice sounds strong and fiery, though not heartbroken or even bitter. To me, it sounds like Tina likes this tune, and is enjoying performing it.
I notice that a few much-later compilation albums chose "It's All Over" for their title. That's about right. You could definitely use this song to represent the public idea of Ike and Tina, with post-I, Tina hindsight.
Put on your tight pants, baby / Put your toupee on your head, oh yeah / Put on your tight pants, baby / Put your toupee on your head, all right / You CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR / Baby you know you're gonna knock em dead.
In the first verse Tina exhorts her man to bring his .45 "in case some fool might want to fight." But Tina, how in the world is he going to carry a gun in those tight pants? Is there a shoulder holster involved? Or maybe he keeps his gun in the car?
Sidenote 1: This CD reprints the original liner notes for Vol. I, written by a California DJ named Curtis (Gene) Price. On the spectrum of crazy DJ-penned liner notes, this is relatively sane. However, it makes me think how much I'd like to go back in time and be a DJ in the '60s. I'd just sit around with my turntable and typewriter and crank out wacky liner notes. Maybe I'd hang out with Richard Meltzer and make up new, nutso rocknroll slang. Yeah, that's it. . .
Sidenote 2: Robbie Montgomery, one of the original Ikettes, is featured as a singer on this live album. Just last weekend I was in St. Louis and discovered that my aunt and uncle and cousins have fallen in love with the food at Sweetie Pie's, Robbie's soul food restaurant. She opened a location on Manchester, in an old ice cream parlor. I'll have to try it next time I get out to St. Louis. They rave about the catfish.
One thing that this project has taught me is that I much prefer the Ike and Tina music of the '60s over their work in the '70s. For the most part, their '70s rocker stuff grates on my ears. Tina's voice starts reminding me more and more of Ann Wilson on "Barracuda" (one of my least favorite songs). To think that Tina might be responsible for the screechy sound of early Heart. . .it's sad to me. Ike is a professional, and he keeps things moving along with the times, but the music sounds uninspired.
I think Ike and Tina meant for "Nutbush City Limits" and "Club Manhattan" to be bookends to the LP. They are both autobiographical songs, and besides that, they sound a lot alike, even down to that ear-piercing synthesizer.
The reason I prefer "Club Manhattan" is that it's the only example I know of them glorifying their early days playing clubs in East St. Louis.
Wow, this place sounds great! I love fried fish! Of course, she also tells us how packed the place always is, so doesn't it get a little gross with all the fried fish smell and bodies packed in? Aren't the ladies afraid of getting grease on their satin dresses? Nothing shows grease like satin.
You can listen to it streaming here.
Anyway, the project is winding down now unless I get a new Ike & Tina Turner album that piques my interest.
This is the runner-up in my Ike and Tina Songs That Remind Me of Screamin' Jay Hawkins Sweepstakes.
"I Idolize You" was released in 1960–the third single that they put out. "Letter from Tina" was the B-side. It's a real smooth rhythm and blues number. If they were playing this in the clubs in St. Louis, I can imagine the crowd doing some slow-and-close dancing to this one.
To me, Tina sounds like some slightly deranged (but no doubt attractive) stalker lurking behind the Spanish moss.
When I listen to this song, I don't believe she's meaning "idolize" like to adore this guy passionately, or even to worship him like a demigod. Instead, I feel like she's using the word in a new way–that she means she's going to make a voodoo-type idol of this man, to entrap him. Idol-ize him.
Even if your imagination isn't that active, this song is fine. It's wonderful early Ike and Tina: Ike's conception of his lead singer as some kind of wild, sultry jungle woman is starting to show, and Tina sounds awesome.
I would like to scream to you baby / Just to let you know. . .
"This Man's Crazy" is a frenetic number from Ike and Tina's 1963 album It's Gonna Work Out Fine. As I mentioned in a previous post, Ike said that he wrote songs with Little Richard's voice in mind. This song could serve as exhibit A.
It's a breakneck rock song, with a boogie-type piano part and a exuberant saxophone solo. Tina punctuates the song with little "wooo!" parts, just like Little Richard.
He comes home every day raisin' all kind of sand [?] / his drama's so much til it's gone out of hand / Everything he do, there's no reason why / This man is crazy, I think he lost his mind! / Uh huh / Oh yeah / Uh huh / Woooo!
It's under two minutes long, so you should be able to keep up your crazy dancing throughout without losing your breath.
Ikettes: Why do you love that guy?
"Tina's Dilemma" was released as a single in 1963. It's a crazy little number where the Ikettes and Tina squabble over her man and his cheating ways.
This is probably my favorite Ikettes part, as they persistently poke at Tina about her no-good man, asking questions like "Do you think that he loves you?" They are like a pack of annoying little sisters. Tina sounds exasperated as they keep on badgering her. I imagine this was an entertaining live number.
Ikettes: Would you believe your man plays around?
Like its predecessor, "Something Came Over Me" is a conversation song, with the female and male vocals going back and forth. You know it's a sequel song because the opening guitar is almost identical to the one on "It's Gonna Work Out Fine," and the new lyrics reference specific phrases from the older song. The storyline in the first song was all about Tina being in love and her man being bemused. In this one, he's still bemused, but she's disillusioned. He's changed!
Tina: I almost acted a fool and left my home / But not now darling 'cause something came over you.
I have this on LP–an original from '64, as far as I can tell. There aren't any notes about the band on the back cover, but it's very noticeable that the male voice on this song is not the same one from "It's Gonna Work Out Fine." According to the Ike Turner discography I spend a lot of time perusing that's because the vocals on the first song were recorded by Mickey Baker, from Mickey & Sylvia. I don't know if this is Ike on "Something Came Over Me," but I'll just assume so since I have nothing else to go on.


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Design is at the heart of everything we do. A designer's role at Made by Many is to balance the business priorities of the clients we work with, whilst championing the needs of the users we design for.
Here you'll have the opportunity to do some of the best work of your life as part of a team of experienced designers, engineers, product managers and strategists.
Made by Many offers the opportunity to gain an exceptional level of experience in a short space of time. As a senior designer you will not only be creating experiences for web, mobile and connected products but also using these products and our process to help create change in our clients organisations. From coaching our clients in what it takes to make digital products, to establishing new ways of working for them to adapt to the changing landscape. As a member of our design team you will be a collaborator and creator, a consultant and a craftsperson.
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America is getting older every day, but you wouldn't guess it from the range of innovative new products hitting the market. Most of them are designed by young people for young people.
The Stanford Center on Longevity's annual Design Challenge aims to change that. Launched in 2013, it encourages college and university students to design practical products or services that will optimize long life. Since part of the design process involves the competitors familiarizing themselves with issues of aging—from difficulties getting around to financial insecurity and social isolation—the challenge organizers hope that a new generation will become knowledgeable enough to come up with products that meet real needs as the older population skyrockets.
"The younger people are, the longer their life spans will be," Nancy Easterbrook, Director of External Affairs for the Center, says. "We were looking for really innovative ideas that might address somebody in a younger subset, not necessarily 70 or older."
Judging from comments by previous years' winners, some students end up reevaluating their notions about aging in the process of spending time with older people and learning to understand their lives. "To our surprise, not only did the seniors enjoy giving us feedback, they spent time looking over our designs and commenting on them," 2015 winner Nicholas Steigmann wrote in PSFK, who with his design partner interviewed seniors and tested ideas with them to come up with a device that helps older people keep doing what they like to do without having to worry about falling. (The original idea was a simple fall-prevention device—that idea changed as the student team got to know what seniors really want.)
This year's Design Challenge theme is "Innovating Aging in Place" and invites design solutions that can empower people who want to stay living in their own homes for as long as possible.
The best design solutions, Easterbrook says, are engaging, practical and easily to understand, and can be implemented within the constraints of existing technologies and the market. Judging criteria for the submissions also include originality, economic viability and their potential to impact people's lives.
Competitors were introduced to the principals of universal design and encouraged to design "for people, not an age." And they had access to the Stanford center's resources and research on mind, mobility and financial security.
The call for entries went out in fall 2016 and resulted in close to 75 submissions—a record year, Easterbrook says. On March 30, nine finalists will meet on Stanford's campus and pitch their designs to a panel of judges selected from the worlds of technology, elder care, government and medicine.
These are the finalists—they've all developed their ideas further with input from mentors. Take a look and then tell us, which would you pick as the winner?
The Stanford Design Challenge 2017 Finalists
Uppo: Virginia Tech, USA
A team from Virginia tech took a look at the connection between fear of falling and social isolation. After spending some time in a local retirement home, they discovered that walkers currently on the market lead users to hunch over, creating poor posture that could actually lead to falls. Uppo's ergonomic design increases balance and stability, and helps people feel secure while promoting an upright posture. Standing tall and upright also increases a person's confidence. Click here to see a slideshow about the design process for Uppo.
Timtim por Timtim
These online classes teach people ages 60 and up how to use digital devices. Classes can be downloaded for offline use or printing. A team from the University of São Paolo, Brazil, came up with the solution; the Brazilian Portuguese phrase timtim por timtim means "something explained in detail."
Some 280 million people worldwide have lost their independence due to tremors. This wearable sleeve or wristband was designed by a team from Pakistan's National University of Sciences and Technology to suppress hand tremors, making it easier for people suffering from conditions such as Parkinson's to manipulate objects and complete routine daily tasks like eating, drinking and getting dressed. Tame is worn discreetly under a shirt. (TAME stands for Tremor Acquisition and Minimization.)
Smart-Lift
A team from the University of Waterloo, Canada, wanted to make it easier for people with mobility issues to get from sitting to standing, and back again. They came up with this electrically powered lifting seat cushion that integrates into any chair or sofa to help prevent strains and injury when you're getting up or sitting down. The Smart-Lift incorporates buttons you can use to adjust the cushion height as well as operate the lift action.
Seat-Case
Air travel isn't what it used to be. Seat-Case, from a Cornell University team, is a carry-on suitcase that doubles as a seat for those long lines and wait times. The luggage-chair meets FAA and major airline specifications and is a vast improvement over an invention with a similar name that 85-year-old former British MP Tony Benn invented in 2010.
Rendever
This virtual reality platform invented by a team from MIT uses VR goggles and a tablet or computer to let people with limited mobility visit a childhood home, travel the world, and connect with family and friends. Rendever's 3D content is meant to inspire conversation and bring new experiences into the living room; the product is already available for use in assisted living facilities. (To get a feel for VR, see Senior Planet's story about a WW2 veteran's experience.)
GoGoGrandparent
Coming out of Stanford University, this technology platform lets "folks who don't like smartphones" access and use Uber and Lyft with a simple phone call, making it easy to stay independent. GoGoGrandparent is already a success: It's being used in the US to make rides available 24/7 in more than 200 cities via a flip phone. The idea was inspired when 25-year- old Justin Boogaard, one of the inventors, witnessed his grandmother's real-life challenges when she lost her vision and couldn't drive anymore. (Read an interview with Boogaard about GoGoGrandparent on SeniorPlanet.org.)
BeeHome
The BeeHome website matches aging homeowners with tenants who want to put in a few hours a week doing household chores in exchange for a more affordable rent. Dreamed up by a team from UC Berkeley, the platform helps owners price chores, runs background checks and checks in monthly to make sure everything's going smoothly. The result: Older people with extra space can use their homes as an income source and get some help. Plus of course, intergenerational social relationships are likely to come out of it, too. (Here's a video about BeeHome.)
A-Helper
A team from Beijing University, China, came up with this gardening tool—a solution for a country in which the younger generation is moving to the cities in droves. A-Helper helps the older people in rural areas to keep tending their household vegetables plots even as it becomes harder for them to bend and squat.
The Stanford Design Challenge Finals
At the end of the day on March 30, three prizes will be awarded with $17,000 in total prize money, and winning teams will be introduced to experts and resources in the Entrepreneur Center of the Stanford Graduate School of Business. This will allow winners to explore the option of bringing their designs to market. Some Design Challenge alumni have made, or are in the process of making, their creative designs a reality—among them a San Francisco student team whose walker/shopping cart, City Cart, was inspired by the experiences of retired industrial designer Dr. June Fisher (top photo).
The March 30 Challenge Finals event is free and open to the public, and also includes talks on aging. To attend, pre-register online by clicking here.
For more details about the 2016-2017 Design Challenge click here
To visit the Design Challenge Facebook page, click here
For information about the Stanford Center on Longevity click here
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03/30/2017 at 3:42am
Many great ideas! I like the UPPO. But it needs to have a basket for carrying what you need and purchases. I can also see, like the walkers that are hybrid, a seat. Is that a lot to modify?
I also like TAME, although those elastic type sleeves are very difficult to get on and off.
BeeHome looks like a wonderful service…much as GoGo Grandparent is.
These products and ideas should all be developed and sold as accessibly as bed bath and beyond,or any chain that can survive the business climate. Barnes and Noble ?
I'm grateful for the efforts at Stanford. Thank you.
Suzanne Nauman
03/29/2017 at 4:15pm
Hi! Where can I purchase the Smart Lift ? How much does it cost? Can i use it with my wheelchair? it sounds fabulous and I want one!
IRENE MORRIS
How/where can I purchase the UPPO?
ASAP.
I have a conventional walker and it's not ideal although better than nothing.
The UPPO is the best innovation I've seen for someone who requires a walker and also wants to be comfortable.
My concern about 'Uppo' is that there is nothing to keep a person from falling over backward. At least with a standard 'walker', the user is leaning slightly forward, so they are not likely to pitch backward. Perhaps if the back wheels of Uppo were a bit farther back, they could help stop the user from falling backward…?
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Many vessels transiting Lake Huron pass near Michigan's "Thumb". A scarcity of good harbors has left shipping exposed to bad weather and the concentration of shipping has led to frequent accidents. At least 22 major shipwrecks lie in and around the Thumb Area Underwater Preserve. The entire area has been the focus of wreck hunting for decades with new discoveries every year.
Throughout the season, most of these shipwrecks are buoyed, at one time or another, by private groups of divers. However, it is always best to have a backup plan, in case the wreck you plan to dive is not buoyed at the time you go out.
In addition to shipwrecks, other diving opportunities exist in the Thumb Area Underwater Preserve. Limestone ledges, walls and sunken islands are located along the Port Austin reef, near the Lighthouse. The reef is covered with remnants of numerous shipwrecks, lost over the decades. Evidence of grindstone manufacture can be found off Grindstone City. Offshore from Kinch Road, in 30 feet of water, is a large wood-stock anchor with 300 feet of chain.
Most of the Thumb area is a rural resort area with many state and local campgrounds and parks. No trip to the area is complete without visiting the Pte. Aux Barques Lighthouse and Shipwreck Museum at Lighthouse County Park. The area also hosts numerous activities and events throughout the dive season. To learn more, consult the websites for Harbor Beach Chamber of Commerce, the Huron County Visitor Bureau, Port Hope Chamber of Commerce, and the Greater Port Austin Area Chamber of Commerce.
Shipwrecks & Dive Sites
Marquis aka Tobias Butler (1892)15'N 43° 54.718 W 082° 40.777
Wreck Name & Year Lost
GPS/LAT/LON
Albany (1893) 140′ N 44° 06.351 W 082° 42.016
Arctic (1893) 131′ N 43° 41.462 W 082° 28.712
Berlin (1877) 8′ N 44° 04.189 W 082° 54.713
Jacob Bertschy (1879) 8′ N 44° 03.434 W 082° 53.076
Chickamauga (1919) 32′ N 43° 50.950 W 082° 37.425
Consuelo (1887) 6′ N 43° 57.411 W 082° 42.841
City of Detroit (1873) 176′ N 44° 12.473 W 083° 00.840
Detroit (1854) 190′ N 44° 13.611 W 082° 45.435
Dump Barge (1880's) 74′ N 44° 07.401 W 082° 51.276
Anna Dobbins (1886) 90′ N 44° 08.111 W 082° 51.277
Dunderburg (1868) 155′ N 43° 55.641 W 082° 33.391
E.P. Dorr (1856) 175′ N 44° 08.774 W 082° 43.979
Glenorchy (1924) 120′ N 43° 48.580 W 082° 31.792
Goliath (1848) 104′ N 43° 47.008 W 082° 32.721
Iron Chief (1904) 129′ N 44° 05.632 W 082° 42.588
Fred Lee (1936) 196′ N 44° 12.428 W 082° 45.600
Barbara Lyn 19′ N 44° 04.685 W 082° 57.002
"Mackinaw" Style Boat 8′ N 44° 03.373 W 082° 53.481
John McGean (1913) 195′ N 43° 57.196 W 082° 31.717
Mystery Schooner 145′ N 43° 57.851 W 082° 35.018
Hunter Savidge (1899) 150′ N 44° 06.520 W 082° 35.058
Daniel J. Morrell stern (1966) 218′ N 44° 15.478 W 082° 50.088
Daniel J. Morrell bow (1966) 205′ N 44° 18.320 W 082° 45.161
Emma Nielsen (1911) 190′ N 44° 10.878 W 082° 42.611
Dorcas Pendell (1914) 6′ N 43° 50.649 W 082° 38.316
Philadelphia (1893) 120′ N 44° 04.120 W 082° 42.992
Gov. Smith (1906) 175′ N 44° 09.333 W 082° 42.001
Troy (1859) 94′ N 44° 08.654 W 083° 01.940
Waverly (1903) 124′ N 43° 45.872 W 082° 30.816
Marquis aka Tobias Butler (1892) 15′ N 43° 54.718 W 082° 40.777
Off Harbor Beach N 43° 50.195 W 082° 37.475
Off Oscabe Point N 44° 00.952 W 082° 46.192
Off White Rock N 43° 42.851 W 082° 36.211
West of Pt Aux Barques N 44° 03.770 W 082° 56.907
Kinch Road Anchor 20′ N 44° 03.388 W 082° 49.331
Among the best shipwreck dives in or near the Thumb Area Underwater Preserve are:
The 267 foot steel steamer Albany was launched in 1846. She survived the collision with the Philadelphia on November 7, 1893 and was taken in tow. However, she foundered while undertow and came to rest close by the Philadelphia in 140 feet of water. She lies broken with her stern upright and her bow resting on its starboard side.
Jacob Bertschy
Lost in a storm on September 3, 1879, the 139 foot long steamer Bertschy sits in 8 feet of water southeast of the Grindstone City Harbor. This is a great shore dive for beginning divers and snorkelers, with many game fish usually seen.
167' long, intact, arched propeller resting upright in 176' of water. Foundered December 4, 1873, with all hands (20 lives were lost.) Was bound Chicago to Sarnia with a cargo of wheat, flour and merchandise. This unique ship is upright and mostly intact with both arches still standing.
A large 322-foot double deck schooner, the Chickamauga foundered on September 12, 1919. She sits in about 32 feet of water just east of Harbor Beach and is very accessible to novice divers.
Dump Barge
This 1880's era barge was located in 74 feet of water, just outside of Grindstone City. The wreck is frequently visited by many game fish and usually has excellent visibility. The chain and winch mechanism for opening the large dump doors are still present.
Dunderburg
The schooner Dunderburg was launched in 1867. She sank off Harbor Beach after a collision on August 13, 1868. She rests fully intact in 155 feet of water. A unique, extremely well preserved figurehead adorns her bow and her cargo of grain is still sitting in her holds.
E.P. Dorr
The 120' long salvage tug was launched in 1855 in Buffalo, NY. The Dorr was lost on June 28th, 1856 after colliding with the Oliver Cromwell. At the time of loss it was carrying salvaged parts from other vessels (anchors, windlasses, and tools) and several steam pumps. These parts and tools are scattered around the ship and on the deck. The ship rests upright in 175' of water.
This 365' steel steamer was launched in 1902 as the A.E. Stewart. On October 29, 1924, the Glenorchy collided with the Steamer Leonard B. Miller and sank in 120' of water without loss of life. The ship now rests upside down with penetration opportunities for those that are trained.
The oldest known wreck in the Preserve is the Goliath, a package and bulk freighter. She exploded and burned on September 13, 1848. Her main features are an upright engine, boiler, stove and unique early propellers. They can be examined in about 104 feet of water.
Iron Chief
This wooden steamer was lost in a storm on October 4, 1904. She lies broken in 129 feet of water. Whitefish are frequent visitors to this wreck, swimming around her large piles of coal.
Fred Lee
70' wooden tug, lost November 13, 1936 in 196' of water off Grindstone City with a loss of 5 crew members. The Lee was bound from Sarnia to the Soo when it foundered. The remains of the tug are upright and mostly intact. The stack has recently fallen but the ships wheel and 3-chime whistle remain.
Barbara Lyn
51 foot, aluminum tug launched in 1958 in Alabama. This tug was lost October 1, 1990 during a storm, while towing 2 barges, at the cost of one life. The ship sank in 208' of water, off Pte. Aux Barques. A salvage attempt raised the tug from deep water but it was once again lost in a storm and now rests in 19' of water near Port Austin. This is a great beginner level dive with plenty of fish usually present.
"Mackinaw" Style Boat
Remains of a sailing vessel just outside of the Grindstone City Marina. This vessel was a double ended design with a drop centerboard. The ship is broken but is almost entirely there. The drop centerboard is present along with the remains of a dead-eye, from the little vessels single mast.
John McGean
The "The Great Storm" of November 9, 1913 claimed this large steel freighter. She was lost with all hands and now rests upside down in 195 feet of water.
Daniel J. Morrell
This large freighter was lost in a storm on November 29, 1966. The Morrell is famous for having broken into two sections with her bow coming to rest in 200 feet of water. Her stern remained under power after the loss of the bow and continued on for another 6 miles before settling into 218 feet of water. The wreck's portions lie just north of the Preserve boundary.
Emma Nielsen
The Emma Nielsen was built at Manitowoc, WI as a 75', 3-masted schooner, and launched in 1883. She was later lengthened to 98 ft. On June 26th, 1911, the Nielsen was up-bound in the fog when the Steamer Wyandotte suddenly appeared dead ahead. The Nielsen slammed into the side of the Wyandotte, crushing her bow, and immediately began filling with water. The captain and crew were able to escape in the yawl boat. The wreck lies upright and intact in 190 feet of water.
The 236-foot steamer Philadelphia was built in 1868. She was lost in a collision with the steamer Albany on November 7, 1893. She is upright in 120 feet of water. The wreck is mostly intact with her cargo of heating and cooking stoves resting on the deck and scattered on the lake floor next to the hull.
Gov. Smith
This 240 foot long wooden steamer foundered after colliding with the steamer Uranus, on August 19, 1906. She is up right and mostly intact in 175-ft of water.
This early steamer foundered in a storm in 1859 and is broken up in 94 feet of water. Divers can view her large steeple engine, boiler, unique propeller and "hogging" arches.
Bound for Wisconsin, she was towing the barge W.S. Crosthwaite. When 5 miles SE of Harbor Beach she was struck and sunk by the steel steamer Turret Court. The crew was picked up by the Crosthwaite. She sits upright but badly broken at a depth of 124-ft.
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Congratulations to Courtney & Jamie who got married at The Cow Shed Crail in July. It was a relaxed day with a coast side theme with lots of nautical, vintage and rustic details perfectly suiting the feel of the venue.
Having met at school Jamie and Courtney perfectly suited each other sharing the same sense of humor. They celebrated 10 years of being together with their stunning wedding. They chose a humanist ceremony with celebrant Neil Anderson from Humanist Society Scotland.
I had an awesome time working alongside Graeme Mackay Videography who kept me laughing all day and was a joy to work with.


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Government's Little Helper
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Does the press often serve as "government's little helper"?
As you might guess, I am still thinking about the apparent failure of the public sphere (or "marketplace of ideas" if you prefer) to work properly during foreign policy crises. Many readers graciously provided interesting and helpful comments on my post from last week. Thank you! For now, however, I continue to explore the academic literature about the alleged timidity of journalists during such crises.
In 1990, University of Washington scholar Lance Bennett theorized that journalists "index" the slant of their news coverage to the range of opinion within the government.
One implication is clear — when internal dissent is lacking, press reports will reflect fairly one-sided coverage. Bennett's latest book, When the Press Fails: Political Power and the News Media from Iraq to Katrina (Chicago, 2007), coauthored with Regina G. Lawrence and Steven Livingston makes this argument in the context of the current administration:
During the gravest moments of George W. Bush's tenure—the response to 9/11, the buildup to war with Iraq, the Abu Ghraib scandal—the media largely reported reality as his administration scripted it. Why, in these times when we most need a critical, independent press, does this essential pillar of democracy fail us? …When the Press Fails argues that reporters' dependence on official sources disastrously thwarts coverage of dissenting voices from outside the beltway.
The result is both an indictment of official spin and an urgent call to action that begins by questioning why the mainstream press neglected to cover considerable evidence against the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Drawing on hard-hitting interviews with journalists and analysis of content from major news outlets, the authors show that such catastrophic blind spots, particularly during the Abu Ghraib controversy, have stemmed from a lack of high-level sources within government willing to question the administration publicly.
Much evidence suggests that "indexing" was a problem throughout the cold war.
Michael Schudson, a professor of communication at the Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University, and at the University of California, San Diego, wrote the following in The Nation, December 31, 2007:
A study of media coverage of forty-two foreign policy crises between 1945 and 1999 (written by political scientists John Zaller and Dennis Chiu) found the media to be consistently, as the article's title puts it, "government's little helper." The study suggests that docile news coverage was a result of "source indexing," in which news represents or "indexes" the range of opinions of leading government officials in the executive and the Congress, and "power indexing," in which news emphasizes most of all the views of those with the greatest capacity to "foretell future events." Coverage is normally docile, in other words, because it concentrates on the views of government officials whose hands are on or close to the levers of power.
Is the public sphere doomed to fail because of a subservient press — particularly during crises?
To begin, Schudson's characterization of Zaller and Chiu is somewhat misleading. Zaller and Chiu actually find (p. 61 of the edited volume, Decisionmaking in a Glass House) that
"the dynamics of media politics, despite a strong indexing effect over the entire post-World War II period, have changed since the end of the Cold War. In particular, the media tend to be more independent of Congress and the president, though not necessarily more independent of government officials generally."
In the seven post-cold war cases they study, Zaller and Chiu (p. 77) find that "the news is more balanced, politicians are more fractious, and the slant of the news is more independent." In the 1990s cases of Somalia and Haiti, for instance, they found the media heavily reliant upon expert sources — many of which were non-American.
As I addressed last week, it seems likely that the post-9/11 context is more like the cold war than the 1990s. The war on terror has re-militarized the public sphere. The deleterious implications, as noted above, are examined by Bennett and colleagues in their new book.
However, even in the most recent context, Bennett and colleagues find dissent. Hurricane Katrina — which was, after all, a homeland security disaster — featured "refreshingly critical reporting." This "rare event…caught officials off guard, enabling journalists to enter a no-spin zone."
Bennett et al conclude hopefully:
"if ordinary Americans start to hear alternative perspectives aired in the legitimizing arena of the mainstream press, they just might begin to act as a public."
That's interesting — and seemingly consistent with my previous arguments about an open and inclusive public sphere.
In preparation for a conference paper (warning: large pdf) due in a couple of months, I've been carefully reading a number of academic articles about the failure of the public sphere (or if you prefer, the "marketplace of ideas") to function effectively during periods of foreign policy crisis. The post-9/11 period featured limited debate about many foreign policy choices — leading to the Iraq war, for example.
Keep in mind that I'm a proponent of deliberative democracy and would like to see "the" public sphere function effectively in all political contexts. If national or global public spheres break down during periods of foreign policy crises, then there's almost no hope of achieving a communicatively rational outcome. The discussion would simply be too distorted by power and barren of truly open and inclusive debate.
Political scientists Ron Krebs and Jennifer Lobasz have argued that political opponents could not effectively challenge the proposed Iraq war during 2002 and 2003 because the Bush administration had effectively fixed the meaning of 9/11 in the public debate. In other words, the "war on terror" frame was overwhelming and political opponents had been rhetorically coerced into acquiescence with it.
My ongoing research into counterpublic spheres potentially offers a means for public sphere theory to survive this challenge. Based on some recent research, even scholarly critique could offer a means to resist the hegemony of war and security frames.
However, much of the literature on foreign policy debate is quite pessimistic — the public sphere all-too-often seems threatened even during periods of normal (non-crisis) policy.
For example, interesting research published by sociologist Steven Clayman and colleagues, which examined presidential press conference questioning from 1953-2000, found that the press, which is an important institution in a functional public sphere, is generally much more deferential about foreign policy than about other issues. The scholars studied more than 4600 press conference questions through that time (Clayman and colleagues are only now updating their data to account for the post-2000 era).
The Columbia Journalism Review had a note about the study's conclusion in May/June 2007:
White House journalists were twice as likely to be "cautious and deferential"on foreign and military affairs as on domestic matters, a finding that held through periods of war and peace, recession and prosperity.
Another blurb about the Clayman et al study appeared in Utne in the November-December 2007 issue. This note speculates on possible explanations for the failure to question presidents on foreign policy:
while economic developments, such as spikes in unemployment, have historically spurred journalists to ask adversarial questions, administrations' edicts on foreign policy tend to go unchallenged. The researchers speculate that journalists' timidity might stem from their limited access to independent information on foreign affairs, or it could be that their patriotism has a tempering effect.
While my own work on transparency speaks to the secrecy issue, I've linked also to an academic article by Jane Kellett Cramer, which finds that "norms of militarized patriotism" served to limit debate in the leadup to the Iraq war.
Cramer suggests that a "militarized political culture" was established in the US during the cold war era (receding somewhat during the Vietnam era), which means that virtually all foreign policy debate in the US was artificially limited for decades — whether during crisis or not.
And now this form of militarization is arguably back.
Discussion?
The debate climate of the climate debate
The press has periodically made note of various allegations, but the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee just released (December 12) its full report on Political Interference with Climate Change Science Under the Bush Administration. The Committee has been gathering evidence for 16 months and examined 27,000 pages of documents from the Bush administration. It also conducted multiple hearings and interviewed key figures.
What did the Committee find? The Report's homepage provides this summary:
The evidence before the Committee leads to one inescapable conclusion: the Bush Administration has engaged in a systematic effort to manipulate climate change science and mislead policymakers and the public about the dangers of global warming.
In 1998, the American Petroleum Institute developed an internal "Communications Action Plan" that stated: "Victory will be achieved when … average citizens 'understand' uncertainties in climate science … [and] recognition of uncertainties becomes part of the 'conventional wisdom.'" The Bush Administration has acted as if the oil industry's communications plan were its mission statement. White House officials and political appointees in the agencies censored congressional testimony on the causes and impacts of global warming, controlled media access to government climate scientists, and edited federal scientific reports to inject unwarranted uncertainty into discussions of climate change and to minimize the threat to the environment and the economy.
Long-time readers may recall that I've blogged previously about the administration's secrecy and exclusionary practices in regard to the climate change debate.
I'm particularly concerned about the context for deliberation since it is vitally important for public truth-seeking. Debates distorted (and dominated) by powerful actors are not likely to result in legitimate outcomes.
IR scholars interested in deliberation and the public sphere might want to check out the scholarly work of James N. Druckman. For example, this is a useful article: "Political Preference Formation: Competition, Deliberation, and the (Ir)relevance of Framing Effects," American Political Science Review (2004), 98: 671-686.
Druckman finds that distortions can be checked by elite competition and heterogeneous discussion. Thus, congressional oversight of this type potentially has tremendous political value — both procedurally and substantively.
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GRANDPA JOE
This morning, on my way to work, I listened to the soundtrack to Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory. Willy Wonka is one of my favourite films, it has without doubt, the greatest closing line of all time:
Wonka: Don't forget what happened to the man who suddenly got everything he always wanted.
Charlie: What happened?
Wonka: He lived happily ever after.
Oh, I should warn you, there are a few spoilers in this blog post, so if you haven't been able to watch the film at some point during the forty years since it was released, you might want to look away.
Despite the fact that I love Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory, I hate Grandpa Joe. I hate him more than I've ever hated anyone1. At Boring 2010, during the prize giveaway, I explained why I hate Grandpa Joe. I was reminded about this earlier, when I saw this on Twitter:
Have also been trying to remember the reasons @iamjamesward gave for hating Grandpa Joe during @boring2010
— Richard Parker (@richpinabruzzo) June 7, 2011
I replied that I'd actually been listening to the Willy Wonka soundtrack this morning and that I was thinking of writing a blog post about it:
@richardparker10 Weirdly, I was listening to the Willy Wonka soundtrack this morning. Might write a blog post about it.
— James Ward (@iamjamesward) June 7, 2011
Richard replied saying that I should write a blog post about it as I completely changed his perception of Grandpa Joe and more people need to know the truth:
@iamjamesward please do – you completely changed my perception of Grandpa Joe and more people need to know the truth
So I said OK, I would:
@richardparker10 OK, I will.
So here we are.
You might say it's a bit harsh to hate a fictional old man, but you are wrong to say that. It's entirely justified. Just look at how he reacts when Charlie finds the last golden ticket2:
This man has been bedridden for twenty years, and suddenly leaps out of bed when he hears the news. His first thought is not how wonderful this is for Charlie, but how he will personally benefit:
I never thought my life could be
Anything but catastrophe
But suddenly I begin to see
A bit of good luck for me
Because I've got a golden ticket
No, Grandpa Joe, you don't have a golden ticket. Charlie has a golden ticket. It's his, not yours (the closest he comes to acknowledging Charlie is when he says "It's ours, Charlie". "Ours". What a selfish old man).
Later on, when they visit the factory, it is Grandpa Joe who persuades Charlie to steal some of the Fizzy Lifting Drink which almost kills the pair of them. And when Wonka quite rightly says that as a result of this, they are in breach of contract and therefore disqualified from receiving a lifetime's supply of chocolate, he has the gall to claim Wonka is a crook and a cheat and a swindler (he even goes so far as to call Wonka an "inhuman monster"). He then swears revenge ("I'll get even with him if it's the last thing I do" he says). He tells to Charlie to give the Everlasting Gobstopper to Wonka's rival, Slugworth – an act of industrial sabotage to satisfy his petty desire for revenge.
Fortunately, Charlie is not like his grandfather. Charlie has a conscience. He gives the gobstopper back to Wonka, and so shines a good deed in a weary world.
I'm currently reading The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson. In it, Ronson discusses the PCL-R, a checklist devised by Robert Hare, which is used to identify psychopathy. The twenty points on the checklist are as follows:
Glib and Superficial Charm
Grandiose Self-Worth
Need for Stimulation or Proneness to Boredom
Pathological Lying
Conning and Manipulativeness
Lack of Remorse or Guilt
Shallow Affect
Callousness and Lack of Empathy
Parasitic Lifestyle
Poor Behavioural Controls
Promiscuous Sexual Behaviour
Early Behavior Problems
Lack of Realistic, Long-Term Goals
Failure to Accept Responsibility for Own Actions
Many Short-Term Marital Relationships
Revocation of Condition Release
Criminal Versatility
Now, unlike Jon, I have not attended one of Hare's training sessions and am not qualified to apply the test, therefore, I may be wrong in my view, but I think Grandpa Joe is definitely a psychopath.
The clues are all there. Look how he suddenly breaks into song (superficial charm). "Suddenly half the world is mine" he sings (grandiose sense of self-worth). He's spent twenty years claiming to be bedridden, when he's perfectly fit and healthy (pathological lying; conning and manipulative; parasitic lifestyle). He's one of ten people in the entire world who are lucky enough to get a tour of Wonka's factory, yet it's still not exciting enough for him, he has to steal Fizzy Lifting Drink too (need for stimulation; impulsivity). After he steals the drink and breaches the contract he signed (irresponsibility) and Wonka refuses to give Charlie the prize, he lashes out at him (poor behavioural controls) and calls Wonka a crook and a cheat despite the fact it was his fault they got disqualified (failure to accept responsibility for his own actions). After stealing from Wonka, he encourages Charlie to engage in industrial sabotage by passing the gobstopper to Slugworth (criminal versatility). He sleeps in a bed with three other people (promiscuous sexual behaviour).
Grandpa Joe is a psychopath, he needs to be stopped.
EDIT:A few people have said that this blog post deals only with the character of Grandpa Joe as featured in the 1971 film rather than in the original text. This is because the film is much better than the book. The book is OK, but the film is one of the greatest things humanity has ever produced. Yes, Dahl had problems with the film, but that just means Dahl is wrong. Why should we value Dahl's judgement above our own? Maybe Dahl didn't like the film because it was better than his book? Also, I am not going to consider the Tim Burton version because it is of no artistic merit whatsoever.
1 Actually, this is not true. I hate Brendan O'Neill more than I hate Grandpa Joe.
2 Embedding has been disabled by request for this clip. If you view it on Youtube, you'll see that, in the comments, MrJonesyWales has made basically the same point as I'm making in this blog post:
does anyone else think grandpa joe is a complete douche?he sits around "sick" and makes a child and his mother work and than when a golden ticket suddenly appears hes up singing and dancing.than he gets charlie in trouble by influencing him to drink the fizzy lifting drink and than at the end when wonka discovers them grandpa says if slugworth wants a gobstopper hes got it.i love the character but he is a complete douche and its always bothered me people never really noticed it.
Although MrJonesyWales uses the word "douche" to describe Grandpa Joe. I don't like the word "douche", in fact I don't think I've ever even used the word "douche", except here, where I've used it three times. If you like people who repeatedly use the word "douche" without quotation marks, why not take a look at MrJonesyWales' Youtube profile? You can subscribe to his channel as well if you love him that much.
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33 Comment on "GRANDPA JOE"
barbara carlson June 7, 2011 at 1:24 pm
I watched this silly film many years ago with a floor-full of little kids. When it finally ended, there was deep silence. Then a five-year old said, "COULD happen." Best review EVER.
iamjamesward June 7, 2011 at 2:25 pm
That's fantastic.
explobition June 7, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Why do you hate Brendan O'Neill? Is it because he is an even more fraudulent and grasping and trouble making piece of shit?
Yes. Brendan O'Neill is WORSE than Grandpa Joe.
Leyton Jay June 7, 2011 at 1:34 pm
My Nan seems to think that if everyone in the world was forced to watch Charlie and The Chocolate Factory then AIDS, War, Immigrants and Crime would all go away, along with foreigners and swearing on television.
While I absolutely love this film, even as a small child I was not so confident in it's abilities to heal all the world's problems.
As a child I was acutely aware of the bizarre lifestyle Grandpa Joe leads.
"Why does he sleep in a bed with 3 other people?" – "because they're poor." said my Nan.
"Why is he suddenly able to stand up and run about?" – "Because he's happy for Charlie." said my Nan.
"Nan, why is he suddenly able to stand up and run about?" – No answer
"Nan, why is Grandpa Joe able to simultaneously sing an ad-hoc song and perform complex but ad-hoc dance moves?" – No answer
"Nan, why is Grandpa Joe telling Charlie to be naughty?" – No answer
"Nan, why is Grandpa Joe being nasty to Mr. Wonka despite being legally and morally indebted to him?" – No answer
Has it really taken him this long to realise that he has no right to smoke tobacco when "a loaf of bread looks like a banquet"?
Grandpa Joe ain't got a golden ticket; Grandpa Joe should be in a straight-jacket. The entire family would be better off if he had died years ago.
Dick!
I'm not sure if I'd go quite as far as that, but I agree with the sentiment.
"It's OURS, Charlie."
Fuck off, it's Charlie's.
Fucktard.
Mike Taylor June 7, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Actually this is one are where the book IS better than the film. In the book, it a sort of a magical transformation in Grandpa Joe when Charlie gets the tickets, and it works because the imagination fills in all the details (or better yet leaves them unfulled-in). But the film has to SHOW something happening, and whatever it shows is going to be unconvincing.
I am not convinced. If the explanation in the book is "it was magic", I think there is a flaw in the narrative.
No, the point is that the book (because it's a book) doesn't HAVE to say "it was magic" (or conversely) "it was because Grandpa Joe was a selfish, lazy, manipulative jerk". It's a book. It only has to show what it chooses to show. But films are always showing SOMETHING.
So I wasn't saying "the book is executed better than the film", I was saying "it's easier to do this in a way that works in a book than in a film, and the book benefits form that".
End To End Benton June 7, 2011 at 4:00 pm
You might enjoy this
http://www.saynotogrampajoe.com/
reddie June 7, 2011 at 5:02 pm
What do you think of the more recent adaption of Charlie & The Chocolate Factory's Grandpa Joe?
Juliann aka The Sick Chick June 7, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Dahl often had truly repugnant adults to show what not to do when you grow up. Matilda's parents seem much worse than Grandpa Joe to me.
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Alex Eisenberg June 7, 2011 at 8:05 pm
as potentially psychopathic as Grandpa Jo may be – i think its Charlie who presents most problems – he has horribly quivery lips throughout the film.
LeeIsserow June 7, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Fantastic observations. I did a pretty similar (although significantly more expletive-ridden) post last week on why Disney's Snow White is a terrible role model. And also a complete bitch: http://tinyurl.com/ddsnowwhite
a better day ahead for america... June 7, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Then why do lottery winners wind up broke and sad?
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Kate Harrad June 8, 2011 at 9:13 am
You're absolutely right, of course. I'm kicking myself because I wrote a post recently about Morally Ambiguous Authority Figures in Musicals and clearly he should have been in there (http://loveandzombies.co.uk/2011/05/morally-ambiguous-figures-in-musicals/)
Charlie June 8, 2011 at 10:10 am
While I whole heartedly agree that Grandpa Joe is a "douche" and/or a psychopath, wasn't the golden ticket chocolate bar bought with Grandpa Joe's money? Therefore technically it IS his golden ticket. But of course if that's the case this brings up the point of him stashing cash when to the whole family "a loaf of bread looks like a banquet". I'm not even going to talk about how their English accents are all terrible in that film.
iamjamesward June 8, 2011 at 10:23 am
No. Charlie finds a coin in the gutter and uses that to buy the chocolate bar which has the golden ticket.
zoe June 8, 2011 at 5:03 pm
This made me laugh all day (not in a psychotic way) yesterday. Thank you. I also just did a giggle right now too.
gdorean June 11, 2011 at 4:09 pm
I think your assessment of Grandpa Joe is misguided and deeply unjust.
Joe, riddled with bed sores and God knows what else, accompanies Charlie to a chocolate factory which is the centre of worldwide confectionery production during an uncertain era. He stands firmly by Charlie's side as he faces the harsh limelight of the world's media. Throughout the film, Joe is the only adult character who consistently echoes our misgivings about the machinations of the golden ticket-owning children and their largely ridiculous parents. Joe is us, we are Joe.
The look on his face as each child succumbs to their inevitable end, reflects our disgust at their greedy behaviour.
Grandpa Joe is the most well-rounded and human character in the film – because he is poor, humble and supportive of Charlie.
His song about having the golden ticket is a gleeful admission about seeing beyond the grim reality of his bed-ridden existence. It's a blinding chance of doing something that will make his – and all the Bucket family's – life briefly better.
He can't be held to account for an entirely natural and positive reaction to Charlie's unbelievable luck.
I would argue his over-reaction to Wonka's apparent cruelty towards Charlie – is actually a masterstroke of psychological warfare. He confirms Wonka's assessment of the Buckets as no-good serfs – thus temporarily distracting the chocolate magnate – as big-hearted Charlie returns the everlasting gobstopper and melts Wonka's resolve.
iamjamesward June 11, 2011 at 4:25 pm
No, you are wrong.
gdorean June 13, 2011 at 12:13 pm
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Must we all remember that this is a "movie." I think Grandpa Joe acting like he did brings out the kid in him(which we all need to remember) and the irresponsibility of Gpa Joe shoes how RESPONSIBLE and trustworthy Charlie is. I think they created that character to show how responsible a child can be.
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Son of Grandpa Joe June 30, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Very glad to see this. I too love the movie and hate Granpa Joe, for all the reasons you state.
thingsivebeenmeaningtodo July 22, 2016 at 11:40 pm
I can remember thinking that "Look at the sun" was fairly bad advice on the part of a man old enough to know better.
But I had forgotten how bad Charlie's singing is. For all his faults, Grandpa Joe can at least hold a note.
Rollie Hatch January 30, 2018 at 12:19 am
I do agree with your ultimate assessment, but Wonka is sort of a swindler. I assume the portions of the contract he claimed the children were in violation of were part of the fine print that wasn't actually legible. All of these rules and prizes should have been printed on the back of the ticket, if not the thousands of wrappers themselves. Also, as children would likely not be able to legally sign this document, or claim the prizes without a legal guardian, then Grandpa Joe probably does have a claim here. Anyway, Charlie's taxes on the Factory prize will kill all his grandparents, so it's all moot for Asshole Joe.