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F-16 Pilot- Chris Lehto analyses Gimbal footage
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FatPhil
jackfrostvc said:
Letho
A totally OT aside, but I've seen this a couple of times and it's started to niggle a little, being a lover of all thing Finno-ugric. His name's "Lehto". Like many Finnish surnames it's toponymic, meaning "grove", etmologically related to other leafy words. Being a phonetic language, proper Finnish pronunciation would include sounding the 'h', his fairly typical Americanised pronunciation has about as much 'h' as 'eh?', which does hint at there being something before the 't'. I'm terrible with most US accents, I have no idea whether this is his background or not, but the largest Finnish migrant populations are in MI and MN. Aside over. Trivia delivered. Have a good one!
jackfrostvc
neo_seoul
BrianHoltz said:
It's important because a jet only a few miles away should have been easier to detect with radar, and harder for its wings etc. to be hidden by straight-down-the-tailpipe glare.
But this raises another question: if it was that close and (as Sehto claims) the F-18 was closing on it, why does the video conveniently end before contact is lost? Also, why do the aircrew seem uninterested in actually intercepting it? Why does the WSO dismiss the UAP as a "drone, bro" when, according to Lt. Graves, the pilots had all been so baffled and concerned about all the objects they had been seeing? And why does the pilot casually continue his turn, to 6 degrees past the bogey (and still turning) when the video ends?
To be honest all I can hear is "that's not a fu***g drone bro". The sentence is too long to be affirmative and he clearly says "Fu***g". Am I the only one who hears that?
Also, they later wonder "what is that?" so IMHO dismissing it as a drone doesn't line up with the rest of the conversation.
BrianHoltz
neo_seoul said:
The sentence is too long to be affirmative and he clearly says "Fu***g". Am I the only one who hears that?
With my ears trained on California accents over the last 30 years, I hear the WSO say: "X, this is a fuckin' done, bro" where X is a mumbled exclamatory either "dude" or "yeah". His tone is very dismissive, but changes markedly when the pilot tells him to look at a "whole fleet" of other objects on the Situational Awareness display. The WSO then non-dismissively exclaims "My gosh." But I don't understand the significance of the next exchange:
Pilot: That's not L&S is it?
WSO: That IS L&S, dude.
Pilot: Well the FLIR's looking...
WSO: Look at this thing!
L&S is launch & steer, the F-18's targeting systems' focus of attention. Could someone explain the implications in this scenario of "is L&S" being true vs false? And why would they a) initially disagree on L&S status, and b) need to ask each other about it? And why would the pilot respond to the disagreement by making a comment about the FLIR?
The video remains quite unremarkable. It's only interesting because of its connection to a few eyewitness accounts of retired personnel. We only have hearsay and surmises about what kind of official investigation was done, and what its findings might have been. I'm skeptical that the forthcoming report will provide sensor data that rules out any possible explanation involving some combination of balloons/drones/distant jet.
The weird thing about all these unremarkable videos is that pilots like Chris Lehto and Chad Underwood find them extraordinary. Did they really never encounter a scenario like Gimbal, Go Fast, or FLIR1?
the_korben said:
First off, thanks for your valuable input. Also, yes, I don't think Letho is arguing very consistently in these videos, so it's all a bit of a mess.
Concerning coordinated vs. uncoordinated turns, I did read a comment by an F/A-18 pilot on reddit at some point where he mentioned that some of his colleagues like to use lots of rudder and an uncoordinated turn when using the targeting pod. But I can't find it right now. In any case, this is probably something that the pilots themselves will have to answer.
Interesting. If that's the case, then trying to estimate this stuff with sufficient precision to get a useful estimate of the distance to the intersection point may be hopeless -- you'd probably need the G factor, which would come from a HUD recording, but at that point you might as well just use the indicated headings directly.
Another idea would be to track the cloud and cloud parallax by employing some kind of cloud-size model. That could also give us an additional scalable data point for the true angles.
I've seen some people do something like that assuming that the clouds are far away. It might be a fair assumption, if they weren't you'd be able to detect some parallax between the clouds on the top and the ones on the bottom that are nearer the camera, and there seems to be little of that. This assumption results in an underestimate of the turn rate though, which is not ideal.
jarlrmai
I hear that is a fucking drone
It seems they have an L+S track designated, the FLIR is showing something on both of their MFD screens, the pilot is asking the WSO "that's not L+S?" i.e. is the FLIR pointing at the track they have set as L+S. He says that is L+S dude. I presume the WSO is saying the thing on ATLFLIR is the L+S.
Now it gets interesting the pilot says "the FLIR is looking..." then gets interrupted.
So if they have a RADAR track that is L+S, the FLIR is not slaved to it (L+S is unboxed) doesn't mean the FLIR is not autotracking the same object that is the L+S but it seems odd if they have RADAR track then why not SLAVE? Non of the 3 videos show direct slaving of the ATLFLIR to a RADAR track.
It could also be they only have the angle track from ATFLIR being fed to the MSI as the L+S track. However a "fleet of them on the SA" seems to indicate RADAR tracks of something because ATFLIR can only be on one thing.
Or maybe the WSO was wrong and the pilot was about to say well the L+S is over there and the FLIR is pointing in the wrong direction, before he gets cut off and the video ends.
As I've learned more about the systems on the planes the one thing that really sticks out is that to make any sense of the videos you really, really need the recording of the other MFD with the RADAR on it.
From the various documents that have been collected (e.g. this sim manual), it looks like if the ATFLIR is slaved to the L&S target, the L+S indicator becomes boxed.
The L+S indicator is _not_ boxed in the gimbal video, which could be what the pilot was about to say with "Well the FLIR's looking..." when he was cut off. The L&S target was presumably acquired with the radar. This could be quite salient since if the WSO was mistaken about the ATFLIR being in L&S mode, what we see in the video could be a different object than the one on their radar screens. If the radar targets were a result of electronic warfare, there might not have been an object there at all, which could help explain why the sighting (presumably) remained unexplained: the pilots would've gotten to where they expected to find the object and found nothing, but had the FLIR footage to 'prove' something had been there. This is of course completely speculative; some more context before and after the excerpt we got to see would be very helpful here -- knowing how the target got acquired in the first place would be especially useful.
A further question: if we're looking at the L&S target, why don't we see a range, as we do in the gofast video?
I've listened to it again at different speeds, and I stand corrected, it sounds more like one of the following:
(a) "it is a f***ng drone bro"
(b)"it isn't a f***ng drone bro"
(c) "it ain't a f***ng drone bro" (less likely)
3 reasons push me to lean towards B:
1) the length of that word within the sentence (option A would sound/flow very unnatural)
2) when he later says "that IS L&S dude", in the way he says "IS", the ending sound is quite discernably different from the previous sentence, which sounds more like he says "isn't" and sort of chewing the ending sound.
3) C is less likely because I think we can distinctively hear the "I" and "S" being pronounced.
I am more and more convinced of this interpretation, but admittedly I am not a native speaker, so...
Regarding the significance of L&S slaved mode, my understanding is that this is the mode used to designate a target and possibly launch a missile at it, which means that there will be guidance provided to "steer" the aircraft to maintain radar and FLIR lock on the target to allow the missile to hit. The implication of ATFLIR to be L&S slaved to that target, is that they had radar lock on the target and were looking at this particular target both on the radar and ATFLIR.
(please correct me if my understanding is wrong)
Speculation: they might be impressed by what they see on the radar, and hence might not be sure that this is indeed what the ATFLIR is also tracking.
EDIT: nevermind, looking at markus's post above and at the manuals again, my interpretation above of the L&S mode significance is likely wrong. It's possible the WSO got confused, unless that ATFLIR somehow works differently?
EDIT2: Sorry, after more thought, I came to a different conclusion, also looking at this source:
https://members.tripod.com/56th_fightergroup/training.htm#flir symbols
My hypothesis is that the ATFLIR pod is currently not "L&S Slaved", hence why the "L+S" symbol is not boxed, and hence why the question by the pilot to the WSO. Since it's neither in L+S nor BST Slave mode, it must be on "Autotrack" - which is later confirmed, btw - which means the pod is tracking the object.
However, my hypothesis is that, even if the the pod is not "Slaved" to the L&S target, the target they are autotracking is indeed the L&S target, and that's exactly what the WSO points out when he says "that IS on L&S dude". There's nothing preventing you to autotrack the same target that the radar has designated as L&S, even if not slaving the FLIR pod.
To answer @markus question, I none of the manuals/sources I found (below) about the A/A ATFLIR mode there seems to be any indication of target range (RNG), so that might be the reason. The Gofast video had the ATFLIR in A/G (Air to ground) mode, which does have target RNG.
ATFLIR manuals/sources:
https://forums.vrsimulations.com/su...ard_Looking_Infrared_(FLIR)#L.26S_Slaved_Mode
https://members.tripod.com/56th_fightergroup/training.htm#target flir
https://forums.vrsimulations.com/support/index.php/Air-To-Air_Systems
https://info.publicintelligence.net/F18-EF-000.pdf
https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/local/docs/pat-pubs/P-820.pdf
https://forums.vrsimulations.com/support/index.php/A/G_Advanced_Targeting_FLIR_(ATFLIR)
Agent K said:
The glare rotates with the camera and with artifacts above the target.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ny...ncounter-with-unknown-object.9333/post-250717
This GIF is extremely interesting, it highlights at least one very obvious thing, IMHO: there is a "layer" of "cloudiness" to the display which rotates slightly but independently of the object. That may be either the outer pod lens or some other optical layer.
I also think I see some other "layer" of much more faint "cloudiness" rotating in sync with the object, but, wouldn't some light artifact be produced even if what we are looking at was a real object, given that it clearly has a relatively strong/bright IR heat signature (relative to the background) and thus could produce some glare even whilst still being a real object?
Since black is the peak of the dynamic range scale, and that some level of glaring could appear in both cases, whether the source was smaller in size and just producing a lot of heat, or exactly the size and shape that we see in the video, there's no way of distinguishing, they are both equally viable explanations.
Also, the contours are very clear and the transition between black and grey is very steep, unlike a typical strong glare from a smaller source such as say a single or pair of engines, which would have a more gradual transition and wider but more "fuzzy" glare.
Of course this could be an artifact of the unsharp mask, but I personally find it unlikely, given the rest of the picture.
jplaza
Domzh said:
So why does Chris say its only used for ground target distance gauging but not air to air? Or this CW Lemmoine guy who says the ATFLIR does trigonometry to estimate the distance?
The atflir either uses radar data or laser for A/A range according to its manual.
Im even more confused now, either the manual or the knowledge of these fighter pilots is garbage.. (third option, i suck at interpreting technical manuals)
I guess it's worth pointing out that pilots are only the end users of technology, not experts in the technology. They may be taught how to use it, what buttons to push, but not how it works, where the numbers come from, what the tracking algorithm does, or how the image is stabilized and shown in the right orientation.
folly4
jplaza said:
This is a great point. Professional video gamers might know nothing about the code of the games they play. Great hitters don't necessarily know how baseball bats are made.
metabuster
folly4 said:
Hi, I am a former professional gamer, now an engineer (not to appeal to authority too hard or anything). I thought this logic was a bit myopic and could be amended. Pro gamers at least (pretty sure I can easily provide evidence of academic rigors of pilots, all I have ever heard is that it is a strongly filtered profession, unlike driving a vehicle or operating a fry machine), are likely to know very much about the code of a game or the workings of their vehicle. Yes, primarily through how it manifests during interaction but also details of inner workings or review of code itself, learned in training/research and seeking any advantage to best another user of the same. In order to rise above another person at something, a force multiplier is often helpful, and the more the better. This is very much how mankind itself has done to win wars, when the playing field is level knowledge is a powerful advantage. This can extend to exploring the code itself and finer technical substance of just about anything. Learning is a force multiplier. A fry cook doesn't know how their watch is made because they might never need to know. Technical knowledge and code related behaviors are the bread and butter of pro gamers and I would be shocked to learn pilots didn't know volumes about their craft. If it might help a hitter to know how and of what his bat his made then to succeed he is likely to know or soon learn it. I'll be happy to comment more technical things in the future, but please let's not act like there is not an enormous barrier which often includes learning these innards to excel over the "lay user." I don't think we can claim a predominant or any way common ignorance by pilots about technical specifics of their craft. In fact pilots and pro gamers are incentivized to learn the code and the physics and the inner workings of instruments by the very simple and logical principle that it is an advantage to do so.
To a military or game minded person, it is obvious that advantage over millions of others on a level playing field competing for the same resource/spot will necessitate learning beyond the level of a simple end user. My comparison would be Mick West himself. He's at the forefront of debunking these videos, along with everyone else here, because he's digging in and finding that subsurface knowledge and using it. There's tons of other people trying this but without knowledge they find no purchase. Knowledge is Mick West's force multiplier. However, if we don't stick to facts and evidence, I think we are just as prone as anyone to make a reaching statement so as to suggest a jet pilot is a simple end user. The more a jet pilot knows the more he is "one with the craft." The same for pro gamers. A jet pilot who is simply an end user is probably a dead jet pilot in a dogfight with someone who knows every technical detail to exploit, and a pro gamer with only surface knowledge has no advantage at all and so is hardly pro.
I really hope I don't have to stop coming around here because some moderator thinks it isn't sound to point out game theory by all means, continue to imagine a jet pilot as an end user like someone who just plopped into their new Honda Civic, but I don't think it advances the discussion.
Z.W. Wolf
Domzh
ok so why have they been taught that the A/A range is not reliable?
Z.W. Wolf said:
Alright, I love the data which turns up in these threads but it's very telling how prominent this view is and that mods have not approved my posts. No, pilots are not simple end users. The fact you hold this perspective reeks of a disinterest in the subject matter and a desire to compartmentalize everything into the box of what makes sense to you. I will take lack of mod approval that logic and good sense is notably absent from this space.
Right, so in that case the operator might accidentally be tracking something else, in case there's something in the distance for the pod to lock onto.
I don't think it's in A/G mode in the gofast video. The A/G symbology is quite different (for example, it doesn't have the L+S, SLAVE, and BST indicators on the right).
metabuster said:
I think you're overthinking this and missing the point.
Knowledge and skill can very specialized. And being a fighter pilot or major league hitter is a very unique skillset. Specifically, in the case of sports, it's become more specialized than ever before.
It seems self-evident that being good at any highly-skilled pursuit can involve diving into the minutiae of understanding how and why mechanisms work the way they do. Sure. Agreed. But there is a risk of attributing valuable resources to studying things that are mere adjacencies to their pursuit. It's sub-optimal for a major league hitter to fully understand the physical characteristics of various wood species and finishes. He's better off taking more batting practice in the cage and spending more time in the gym.
If you're smart, you'll have specialized experts distilling the keys to these different adjacencies into bite-sized abstracts—You tell the bat expert what you like, and he finds you the best bat based on his knowledge. Or you even have a team of experts working with each other to provide you, the guy who is good at hitting a baseball, with the relevant actionable item—the video swing analysis team sits down with the hitting coaches, who consults with the kinesthesiologist, who works with the strength and conditioning coach & dietician...to build a program that you simply follow.
Nice question for the pilots. Who taught them that and why. And then double check with the instructors, and triple check with the engineers who designed it and wrote the manual.
All I can say is that I could accept being presented wrong data in (known) exceptional circumstances, but not as a normal basis. Better not have the data at all, than having unreliable data.
Who is saying that?
Chris Lehto alludes to it in his Go Fast video.
There's a thread about the issue here
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/at...-radar-laser-passive-range.11809/#post-251396
markus said:
My bad about the A/G mode!
I thought the exchange between pilot and WSO on it being L+S was precisely to clarify that, so your hypothesis is that the WSO made a mistake and he thought the FLIR was tracking the L&S target when in fact he was locking on something else?
abyssal dission
Yeah, I need to agree with this. This person's response on almost everything related to this topic wreaks of some sort of deep seated anger or annoyance. In my experience that tends to come from individuals that aren't happy at the fact that sometimes another person with direct experience of the subject does "just know more than you" about it, because frankly they do. I'm hesitant, at the least, to seriously consider the input and opinion of these kinds of responses.
That's just like, your opinion man. Some people enjoy having a rough estimate rather than nothing at all. Or perhaps there is a rough estimate displayed because the system has the capability of using a laser but when it doesn't they didn't think to take away the RNG display. It could be that whoever was responsible for coordinating the specific technologies on these jets made the requirement that an RNG must be displayed at all times for some reason, so the manufacturer just complied. My point is there is plenty of room for this to have a good explanation, it doesn't have to make sense to you or me. At the end of the day the manufacturer should be the one to provide the answer on this.
Digital Wings said:
they do mention the object is flying into the wind ("120 knots from the west")
According to Lt. Graves on Unidentified, the Gimbal IR object was different from "the whole fleet" of objects that in the video are said to be going against the wind:
Lt Graves says the Gimbal video is just part of a longer, higher resolution video he was shown on the ship. It included several smaller craft, the kind he was more familiar with. "They were essentially flying themselves in a formation. And then behind those was the object you see here. So there wasn't a whole fleet of these, there was just all these little guys. And there's the one object which we had never seen before, which was significantly larger."
I'm very curious whether this month's UAPTF report will include this higher-res video, and/or any sensor data backing up Graves' account.
If even 10% of the reported ~120 incidents in the upcoming report have accompanying video, then Metabunk is going to be very busy. However, I'm skeptical we'll get better videos -- despite claims that the leaked Navy videos are not at all the most explosive ones. (Why wouldn't they leak their best videos?)
Yeah, it will be very interesting if they include more video's and pics of other cases in the report. It certainly will be busy here
As for the longer Gimbal video, yeah, and what does the TV mode footage reveal I wonder? Hmmmmmmm
As for the UAPTF report and what it will show, it depends on who is in the UAPTF and who it uses as consultants, which to me, is the million dollar question. Let's just say certain others involved with previous incarnations of the task force, have very spotty histories involving decades of suspect science
I think it would be very helpful to build a simple physical model. Reading the YT comments especially, I think people are not visualizing what you're saying about this case.
Okay, you did.
Commander Fravor himself said
Our radars, they're pretty smart. Probably smarter than I am. I always joke they're designed by a bunch of kids who got beat up in school. It's kind of funny, but these guy that do this stuff are brilliant.
Source: Source: https://youtu.be/KUyGnFFilP0?t=1913
I can relate to that, but those of us who develop the tracking, stabilization, and image enhancement algorithms don't necessarily know how all the systems work together or what's ultimately displayed to the pilot.
LarryLobster
Hi, I am a former professional gamer, now an engineer (not to appeal to authority too hard or anything). I thought this logic was a bit myopic and could be amended. Pro gamers at least (pretty sure I can easily provide evidence of academic rigors of pilots, all I have ever heard is that it is a strongly filtered profession, unlike driving a vehicle or operating a fry machine), are likely to know very much about the code of a game or the workings of their vehicle. Yes, primarily through
I'm a tier-2 fortnite pro with 1.3K in earnings; my best friend qualified for the fortnite solo world cup event back in 2019 (100 people out of 30,000,000 players qualified, to give perspective on how skilled he had to be). For the sake of not giving away my hometown I will not identify him by name (you'll have to take this on good faith).
I have not programmed anything since the poorly-coded Minecraft mods I made as a tween back in 2012. He knows absolutely nothing about software engineering - much less the code behind Fortnite. I am not a world class player, so you may excuse it as that, but he was one of the best players in the world in his day, and he knows literally nothing about programming.
No one I play with "know(s) very much about the code of (the) game" we spend hours grinding every day. This is anecdotal, but from my experience as a semi-pro and with actual, world class fortnite pros, "very much" is not a word I would use to describe our game-design knowledge.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but shouldn't we be able to exactly replicate the rotations of the gimbal over time, since we know all the angles? It would just require knowing the specs of the gimbal involved (which I don't). If the replication perfectly matched the video, then the IR glare theory must be right. The chances of an alien craft just happening to rotate in perfect sync with the plane's gimbal would be vanishingly small. On the other hand if it doesn't match, it would indicate that IR glare isn't sufficient to explain the rotation.
LarryLobster said:
I would not expect the pilot or the WSO to know the details of how an unsharp mask sharpens the image or how the centroid tracker uses probability maps "to segment the target and find its centroid," but they have a better intuition for using these tools in practice, the same way that a Photoshop user doesn't have to know the math behind all the tools in order to use them creatively. But if you want to improve the tools or create new tools, you have to know how they work. On the other hand, the engineers who develop the tools may not know all the ways the users use them, so they can learn a lot from each other.
Vizee
I think this whole discussion actually leads back to a very important question of why these videos were archived in the first place.
Hi, I am a former professional gamer, now an engineer (not to appeal to authority too hard or anything). I thought this logic was a bit myopic and could be amended. Pro gamers at least (pretty sure I can easily provide evidence of academic rigors of pilots, all I have ever heard is that it is a strongly filtered profession, unlike driving a vehicle or operating a fry machine), are likely to know very much about the code of a game or the workings of their vehicle.
As a former professional game programmer, I have to disagree. For start gamers don't have access to the code (unless we are talking 8-bit games). Even then, there's a HUGE difference in skill sets between a single professional gamers and a large team of programmers. I was lead programmer on many games where I did not have a deep understanding of every aspect of the code, or why it did what it did. When it did something unexpected, it would sometimes take me days of deep analysis to figure it out.
So I think it's a reasonable analogy. Pilots know something of how their plane and equipment works. They don't have a deep understanding of every system.
I used to play the PC game Battlefield 2 to a decently high level (winning the "European Cup" of Battlefield 2). Most of the skill in being good at that game was essentially reaction speed, practise, full knowledge of the games built in systems and prediction of human behaviour as well as "meta" knowledge, not the actual code that made them work.
There were a few areas where a small understanding of some issues/quirks of the game engine were advantages, the big one being "hit box lag", the game had an issue where if a target was moving laterally to you aiming at or even leading your shot for where it appeared would mean your shot would miss, because the actual hit box that the game used for collisions was lagging behind the player model, this varied depending on your connection to the server. The best players knew about this and aimed appropriately. Thing is you didn't need to be a programmer to know this it was "discovered" then some programmers who also played worked out what was going on, but all you needed to know as a player was aim slightly behind the targets direction of travel, or for fast moving targets, learn to lead the hitbox rather than the character model.
Mick West said:
I was lead programmer on many games where I did not have a deep understanding of every aspect of the code, or why it did what it did. When it did something unexpected, it would sometimes take me days of deep analysis to figure it out.
Likewise, the targeting pod team has specialists on the tracker, the servo, algorithms, software, processor, user interface, sensor, laser, etc. The Lead Systems Engineer and the Chief Engineer have to understand everything but not deeply, and the Chief Engineer talks to the customer and ensures that the system meets requirements.
It just occurred to me that I found this link when I was searching for how passive ranging might occur from the ATFLIR only
Might some of it's theory be applied to Gimbal?
Passive Ranging Using a Single Maneuvering Sensor
View MATLAB Command
This example illustrates how to track targets using passive angle-only measurements from a single sensor. Passive angle-only measurements contain azimuth and elevation of a target with respect to the sensor. The absence of range measurements makes the problem challenging as the targets to be tracked are fully observable only under certain conditions.
In this example, you learn about some possible solutions to this problem by using a passive infrared sensor mounted on a maneuvering platform.
https://www.mathworks.com/help/fusion/ug/passive-ranging-using-a-single-maneuvering-sensor.html
I'm not a mathematician, though so I might be totally off.
As a former professional gamer programmer, I went on to code a world top 100 website, so I don't speak solely from one wellspring. Actually a lot of engines are open source which have lineages that extend from decades ago into hugely popular games today. Also, a lot of code is "borrowed" or does extremely similar things, especially with netcode where there are mitigations for latency that require only basic but still depthful understanding of how a bullet fired on a client system can be registered to have hit at t time (and x, y, z coords) by a server which only receives these packets d time later at which time the target has reached x2, y2, and z2. Many many games use the same technique for this "netcode" even if the source is closed. A different point - it may not be important for a fortnite pro gamer to know that it's impossible to double circle strafe jump at less than 125fps in quake 3 cpma, but these per frame physics calculations exist and impact movement in Apex Legends today because it's made on Source engine which has its lineage to the quake 2 engine. If we strictly want to talk fortnite, we can get into things about the Unreal engine that I would really doubt a high level player wouldn't know, but I don't play Fornite. I actually played with many folks who either became programmers after gaming or during (even contributing code to the games we played). There is considerable overlap. I think the point of my argument - that it is an advantage for a jet pilot to intimately know physics and his instruments, and an advantage for the military to ensure they are self sufficient and aware of technical details (which may become an issue absent any help or guidebook) - got lost in some sabre rattling and still remains true. A pilot is not an end user in the same way as someone sitting at a computer would be. It's in military interests that they be expert operators. Yes, they may receive distilled information about certain systems, I don't doubt that. I think "End user" is still a dishonest turn of phrase.
jarlrmai said:
The theoretical assumptions seem plausible to me, and they would apply here provided we're happy to assume the object is flying straight and level at constant speed. However, it only works with a fairly accurate estimate of the observer's state of motion. I'm not yet convinced we have that; the DCS demonstration is interesting but the bank angle doesn't always match the gimbal video for instance. It could be Digital Wings was correct and the turn was slightly uncoordinated, in which case it would be difficult to pin down where exactly the F-18 was. The calculation is quite sensitive because all lines of bearing are pretty much 60 degrees from the vertical; change it a few degrees to either side, for whatever reason, and the estimate changes dramatically. The vanilla calculation I did in #215 is not consistent with a uniformly moving target at any plausible distance, the DCS simulation is. Tomorrow I'll try plugging in Mick's bank angle numbers as opposed to the ones from the video and see where that gets us.
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Chantel guides brands on how to design their distinctive tone and emotions they want to evoke in spoken, written and digital communication. She helps both corporations and people find their purpose. She loves solving lots of small problems that make a big difference.
Her aim every day is to combine her skills and experience to grow her client's businesses through showing them how to solve problems for their customers.
We understand customer needs by managing a complex voice of customer framework that uses multiple tools across every touchpoint in the customer journey. Smoke CCS has grown to include the expertise of some of South Africa's most creative and talented developer, operational support and sales brains.
Genii Analytics are a team of professionals that is passionate about doing exactly that. Our solutions have been developed to address the growing need for analytics and the insights it offers to clients. We offer over 200 years of combined operational 'know how' in the customer service and sales arena.
Rand Water shares the same economic transformation aspirations of the Government of the Republic of South Africa in terms of implementing initiatives that have a socio-economic development impact.
An important part of Antonia's role as Head of CX is people management. Driving and guiding a team of people to attain a common goal. CX leadership requires situational-type & influential leadership, with the ability to adapt, be agile enough to know when to focus on strategy, operations, technical or financial aspects of the business at an enterprise wide level.
We help brands understand what's really going on in the hearts and minds of their consumers.
At Freshworks, we believe your business deserves better software - software that's ready to go, easy to setup and use, and requires minimal customization. All of our products live up to this promise and are backed by our world-class support. And the best part is, you don't have to break the bank to get them working.
When you partner with Genex, you tap into a wealth of knowledge and expertise in the research and customer experience fields. With access to highly skilled researchers, analysts, proven methodologies, and technology experts, you'll have all you need to define the metrics that matter most to you, and design internal programs that delivers real value to your customers and other important stakeholders in your business.
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My role at Kinetic sees me fine tune every aspect of the business, from financial management and profitability to hands on production, marketing and HR management. I am a competitive person by nature, whether in business or on the sports field, and enjoy using this side of myself to continuously improve and further Kinetic.
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On June 28, Rep. Karen Boback (R-Columbia/Luzerne/Wyoming) attended the bill signing of House Bill 40, known as the Castle Doctrine. Boback advocated the measure for several years and supports the legislation, which will protect the right of law-abiding citizens to defend home and family from criminals.
"As a co-sponsor of this legislation and an avid supporter of Second Amendment rights, I applaud the governor for signing this bill. Today represents a major triumph for law-abiding citizens, who should have the right to defend themselves against violent attackers. For too long, the scales of justice have been tipped in the favor of criminals, but this new law returns balance to our system.
"A person faced with a physical threat should have the right to defend himself or herself without fear of civil or criminal reprisal. If an individual is being attacked and faced with a deadly threat in a home or vehicle, or in any place where he or she has a right to be for that matter, the individual should be able to use whatever means necessary to ensure the preservation of his or her life.


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People work an average of 1,902 hours per year in the surveyed cities but they work much longer in Asian and Middle Eastern cities, averaging 2,119 and 2,063 hours per year respectively. Overall, the most hours are worked in Cairo (2,373 hours per year), followed by Seoul (2,312 hours). People in Lyon and Paris, by contrast, spend the least amount of time at work according to the global comparison: 1,582 and 1,594 hours per year respectively.
It's not surprising: you see people in Cairo work several jobs all the time, while the self-employed work extremely long hours. This is not the same thing as working efficiently, of course, and Cairo does not have the reputation for being a place where you can get things done quickly. People partly work longer hours because it takes more to get things done.
But you can't deny that this is an unbalanced economy which forces people to work for ridiculously low salaries (particularly but not only in the public sector), privileges the upper middle class (which enjoys most of the benefits of low-cost living), provides little labor protection (indeed the police collaborates with factory owners to disband strikes) and where, on top of it, the state provides few quality services, meaning people must earn more to provide basic security for their families (i.e. health, etc.) The result: long hours, low quality of life. If only we could all be French.


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Trump: US Would Be at War With North Korea If Not for Me
Meanwhile, US intelligence agencies warn that North Korea is expanding its nuclear capabilities.
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President Donald Trump claimed on Tuesday that were it not for his leadership, the United States would currently be at war with North Korea. The president did not offer any evidence to support the bold assertion, which comes amid US intelligence warnings that North Korea is increasing its nuclear capabilities less than a month after the Singapore summit between Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
Many good conversations with North Korea-it is going well! In the meantime, no Rocket Launches or Nuclear Testing in 8 months. All of Asia is thrilled. Only the Opposition Party, which includes the Fake News, is complaining. If not for me, we would now be at War with North Korea!
Despite Trump's glowing praise for the June 12 meeting, details surrounding the agreement struck by the leaders have been exceedingly vague. Trump's apparent unfamiliarity with the document's contents appeared to be on display during a press conference shortly after the summit, as he struggled to confirm if the agreement included any timetables or firm commitments from Kim to denuclearize.
In the weeks since, Trump has repeatedly claimed that North Korea has "blown up" multiple nuclear testing sites. Experts contend that these claims greatly overstate any actions by Kim, while reports show that North Korea is continuing to expand its nuclear capabilities on Trump's watch.
On Monday, the White House announced that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will return to North Korea this week to continue nuclear talks.


"Canadian food, to me, is represented by rumtopf.
Rumtopf is a traditional German preserve. Its name literally means "rum pot", it is a mixture of various fruits, sugar, and strong rum ( Stroh's 54 is best).
To me, Canadian food is about Canadians adapting their backgrounds and traditional cuisines to the landscape, seasons, and produce of the country. In My Family, that idea is typified by rumtopf.
"Multiculturalism is integral to the culture we know and love in Canada. Why wouldn't the diversity seen in our population apply to our cuisine?
To me, Canadian food involves drawing on the cultural influences from the people around us, while using ingredients from our surroundings and supporting our community.
"I've thought a lot about what I think Canadian cuisine should be, but when I consider what dish should represent Canadian cooking it can only be one thing: pemmican. For me this choice is as political as it is gustatory since it provides a lens through which to view our country from a variety of perspectives.
Canada belongs to the First Nations of this place; it is by acts of violent colonialism that this is not so. Remembering the fact that our country was, and is, stolen from a multitude of distinct nations is paramount to understanding the nation that was built on the remains. Pemmican is a part of that heritage of oppression.
Although the dish is by most accounts Cree in origin, it is largely important for Canadian history, which is most often a very white history, because of its importance to the fur trade. There's a long and sordid tale to be told about Bison in North America, but the take away for Pemmican is this: fur traders needed a stable high energy food that was portable In order to supply Europe with animal pelts. This need for preserved protein contributed to the near extinction of Bison in Canada, which in turn further impoverished First Nations communities that had become economically dependent on the pemmican trade, and could no longer turn to bison herds for nourishment.
Understood in this way it's easier to see pemmican as a parable for the way that Canada has treated its natural resources and the First Nations communities that are the rightful owners of this land. Economic greed led to the collapse of a formerly well-managed ecological resource.
Pemmican is a simple dish meant to sustain rather than delight: A bison is killed and butchered, and then its flesh is hung over a low fire to dry until the meat is brittle. The meat is then ground into a rough powder and mixed with rendered fat, berries, and occasionally aromatic botanicals. This is a food that will last for a very long time, and as it is slowly consumed those eating can consider the process by which Canada came to be, and how we might better respect our natural resources and the First Nations of this place in the future."


In May 2017, Ccilu USA embarked on a season-long sponsorship of the World of Dance Winners Circle. Propeller 5 brought the opportunity to Ccilu with an eye toward boosting the brand's US presence. Sold in 60 countries, with 40+ retail stores across Asia and Europe, Ccilu shoes were familiar to foreign audiences, but had not yet come to North America.
At the same time, not only was the live World of Dance competition tour a hit with Ccilu's intended youth-through-young adult demographic, but NBC Universal was about to launch the first season of a WOD competition series. No one knew for certain how big a hit the NBC version would be, but the odds were in our favor.
Ccilu product would not be available in the US until June 2017, and WOD would be taking a chance on an unknown quantity (their other signature sponsor is Paul Mitchell). Through our relationship with WOD, Propeller 5 put the sponsorship together, and everybody won: Ccilu USA benefited from the validation of an American co-brand. Winners Circle videos topped 5 million views. And NBC had a hit on its hands with the most-watched summer alternative series debut on broadcast in nine years.
Contestants would be recorded for 30 seconds on video, reminded that this is more about self-expression than skill. Each month, videos from a single city would be voted on at https://www.ccilu.com/worldofdance.
Ccilu signed off on the effort, and in the months since, the contest has been a hit with attendees, igniting engagement on social media, and inspiring UGC.
And judging from some of the posts popping up on Instagram, the winners are loving the new brand.
In fact, Jacob donated a portion of his winnings to victims of Hurricane Harvey (way to go, Jacob!).
With 3 more cities to go, the excitement and enthusiasm is building. To make the suspense a little more bearable, Ccilu USA is now posting more than one city's videos each month. Nonetheless, thousands of votes will be cast between now and the moment we award the Grand Prize. But the truth is, each and every contestant is a winner, and a champion not only of dance, but of self-expression.
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In her novel, What Empty Things Are These, Judy L. Crozier makes a statement about social issues of the 1800s with a young woman who is forced by circumstance to develop a backbone.
It has been said that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Nothing could be truer than patriarchal treatment of women over the centuries, and the way the upper classes often treat what they see as the lower classes, especially women of the lower classes. What Empty Things Are These exposes this, yet again.
After a childhood of sexual abuse, Adelaide Broom is forced by her father into a loveless marriage to her father's close business friend, George Hadley. She lives in luxury with her abusive and domineering husband who she calls Mr. Hadley. When she dares to read a book that does not meet his approval, he begins to beat her – again. It seems the universe has intervened because, in his extreme anger, he has a stroke. Adelaide feels at once joyful and guilty for her feelings of joy. As he lingers helplessly in bed, and at her mercy, she takes good care of him, but anxiously awaits the day she will be free.
When George finally dies, Adelaide learns she has been left all but penniless. She soon realizes she is as helpless as Sobriety, her lady's maid. Together, these two set out to even the score for women in Victorian London.
Fabulously wealthy men draw other men into financial fraud schemes, leading them to ruin, just as today. Those same wealthy men prey on widowed women. Adelaide finds herself contemplating how much of business practices are sleight of hand or trickery. Again, sounds much like today.
When she decides to seek publication for her writings, she submits them under the name of "A. Hadley" knowing they would be disregarded as the ramblings of a woman, if her full name were to be used. Has Adelaide become a brave and spunky woman ahead of her time, or has she become "an unwomanly meddler in men's affairs"? That's for you to decide.
What Empty Things Are These is a wonderful story of historical fiction, but is told in the cumbersome language of 1860s London. There is far too much description for my taste, but the history, as well as the strength of character of these women is there.
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Consistently using "further" instead of "farther" – in American English, they are not interchangeable;
misplacement of the word "only" within sentences;
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Was World War II the last "good war," as it has been called, or is "good war" really an oxymoron?
Her story begins in the first full year of that war, 1951, when, as a girl of nineteen she "falls for a uniform" and hastily marries a boy she barely knows. Against all odds, the marriage lasts for 22 years, but finally ends in heartbreak. Now middle-aged, she finds love again with a man who is everything her first husband was not (strong, reliable, caring), but that marriage is short-lived and ends tragically.
As much about war as it is about love, In Love and War suggests that warfare, at least since WW II — that last "good war" — is folly. And so, perhaps, is love.
Not everyone will agree with her conclusions, but some may be persuaded by her argument that two things (besides death and taxes) are inevitable.
They are love and war.
E. E. (Evelyn Eileen) Smith lives close to her native San Francisco, in the "Wine Country" of northern California. She became a professional writer after retiring from earlier careers as an architectural designer and a litigation paralegal. Known primarily as a playwright — her plays have been produced in Massachusetts, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and both northern and southern California — she later became a novelist. A New Edition of her first novel, Boardinghouse Stew, along with the sequel, Times Like These, was published in 2011. In Love and War, A Memoir, was published as an e-book in 2012. A series of murder mysteries debuted in 2013, also as e-books, beginning with Death by Misadventure. Three more: Bad Blood, Russian Roulette, and Prescription for Murder followed in 2014. In 2015, all will be available as e-books, including brand new editions of Boardinghouse Stew and Times Like These.
She is a regular contributor to Psychology Today. Visit her blog, her website, or follow her on Facebook.