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New York State Supreme Court Judge Paul Fineman Dismisses Steglich v Board of Education
Judge Fineman wants Plaintiffs to go to the NYS Commissioner first:
"It should be emphasized that this dismissal does not constitute any factual finding by this court as to the propriety of the planned co-location; rather, the action is dismissed because procedurally, the court finds that in light of Mulgrew v Board of Education (___AD3d___, 2011 NY Slip Op 06088 [1st Dept 2011]), the State Education Department Commissioner should be permitted to exercise his concurrent jurisdiction in the first instance. Upon a final determination by the Commissioner, any aggrieved party may, of course, exercise any right to judicial review it may have by statute."
Steglich v Board of Educ. of the City School Dist. of the City of N .Y.
2011 NY Slip Op 21282
Decided on August 12, 2011
Supreme Court, New York County
Feinman, J.
This opinion is uncorrected and subject to revision before publication in the printed Official Reports.
Lisa Steglich, individually and as parent and natural guardian of ALEXANDER HERLIHY, infant, RIC CHERWIN, individually and as parent and natural guardian of MARLEY CHERWIN, infant, CAROL BARKER, individually and as parent and natural guardian of OMAR BROWN, infant, GINA DEMETRIUS, individually and as parent and natural guardian of SEBASTIAN DEMETRIUS, KIMBERLY JARNOT, individually and as parent and natural guardian of MARGARET THOMAS, infant, NYDIA JORDAN, individually and as parent and natural guardian to HARRY D. JORDAN, infant, KAVERY KAUL, individually and as parent and natural guardian of ASHOK KAUL, infant, RUBIN and GERALDINE LOPEZ, individually ans as parents and natural guardians of SHANE LOPEZ, infant, MADELINE OLMEDA, individually and as parent and natural guardian of CRISTINA JULIA CRUZ, infant, LAZARA QUINONES, individually and as parent and natural guardian of DORIS ALCANTARA, infant, and MARILYNN SARJEANT, individually and as parent and natural guardian of ALIYA CLUNIE, infant, Plaintiffs,
The Board of Education of the City School District of the City of New York a/k/a THE PANEL FOR EDUCATIONAL POLICY, THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK, and DENNIS M. WALCOTT, as Chancellor-Designate of theCity School District of the City of New York, Defendants. UPPER WEST SUCCESS ACADEMY CHARTER SCHOOL a/k/a SUCCESS ACADEMY CHARTER SCHOOL, MATTHEW MOREY, individually and as parent and natural guardian of THOMAS MOREY and CLAIRE MOREY, MARTIN AARES, individually and as parent and natural guardian of in- fant SABINE BALOU-AARES, GABRIEL BAEZ, individually and asparent and natural guardian of in- fant of CHRISTOPHER BAEZ, LISBETH DELOSSANTOS, individually and as parent and natural guardian of infant MIYAH MUZO, ELANA KILKENNY, individually and as parent and natural guardian of infant LIAM KILKENNY, ELISSA KLEIN, individually and as parent and natural guardian of infant AVA KLEIN, REBECCA KUHAR, individually and as parent and natural guardian of infant ROBERT MAXWELL KUHAR, LATISHA SINGLETARY, individually and as parent and natural guardian of in- fant RANIYA GARRETT-WELLS, MICHAEL SUCHANEK, individually and as parent and natural guardian of infants SALLY SUCHANEK and AMELIA SUCHANEK, and DAVID TURNOFF, individually and as parent and natural guardian of in- fant HUNTER KIM-TURNOFF, Intervenor-Defendants.
Phillips Nizer LLP
By: Jon Schuyler Brooks, Esq.
Marc Andrew Landis, Esq.
Elizabeth A. Adinolfi, Esq.
Paul A. Victor, Esq.
Chryssa V. Valletta, Esq.
Michael A. Cardozo, Esq.
Corporation Counsel of the City of New York
By: Chlarens Orsland, Esq.
Emily Sweet, Esq.
(212) 788-0904, 1171
Intervenor-Defendants
Arnold & Porter LLP
By: Stewart D. Aaron, Esq.
Emily A. Kim, Esq.
Mary Sylvester, Esq.
Paul G. Feinman, J.
Papers considered on plaintiffs' motion for partial summary judgment: PapersE-Filing Document No.
Notice of Motion for Partial Summary Judgment [FN1]84, 94 (Ret. for correction)
Memorandum of Law in Support of Plaintiffs' Motion85
Plaintiffs' Statement of Uncontested Facts86
Defendants' Responses to Plaintiffs' Statement of Uncontested Facts90
Rouhanifard Aff. in Opposition91
Defendants' Memorandum of Law in Opposition92
Defendants' Verified Answer & Rouhanifard Aff.97, 97-1
Intervenor-Defendants' Response to Plaintiffs' Statement of Uncontested Facts93
Kim Aff. in Opposition93-1 through 93-16
Intervenor-Defendants' Memorandum of Law in Opposition93-17, 95
Intervenor-Defendants' Verified Answer96
Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of Plaintiffs' Motion98
Appendix to Plaintiffs' Reply Memorandum99
Plaintiffs in this action are concerned parents of school-age children who attend one of the public schools currently located at the Brandeis Educational Campus (Brandeis Campus). Defendants are the Chancellor of the New York City public school system as well as the executive branch agency charged with overseeing educational policy for the City of New York. Intervenor-defendant Success Academy Charter School (Success Academy) is a charter school which is intended to serve kindergarten and elementary school children. In this lawsuit, plaintiffs seek, among other things, to prevent the co-location of Success Academy at the Brandeis Campus during the 2011-2012 school year. Brandeis Campus currently houses five public high schools.[FN2] The court previously denied plaintiffs' application for a temporary restraining order and motion [*2]for a preliminary injunction. The plaintiffs now seek partial summary judgment. Upon a search of the record, the court denies plaintiffs' motion and dismisses the action in its entirety.
I. Background and Arguments
The first attempt to halt this proposed co-location was made in response to a vote of the Panel for Educational Policy (PEP) made on February 2, 2011 (February PEP vote), approving the co-location. On April 8, 2011, plaintiffs brought an Article 78 proceeding against defendants challenging the co-location, entitled Steglich v Board of Education, Index No. 104300/11 (Steglich 1). Defendants opposed the challenge.
On June 1, 2011, defendants abandoned the original PEP vote, and provided, in the same month, a new notice of the proposed co-location, with a revised Educational Impact Statement (EIS), and revised Building Utilization Proposal (BUP). On June 27, 2011, after public hearings were duly held on the revised proposal, PEP again voted to approve the co-location (June PEP vote).
Following these revisions, and before the June PEP vote, plaintiffs commenced the present action. On June 30, 2011, plaintiffs filed an amended complaint, seeking to have the June PEP vote declared a nullity.[FN3]
Plaintiffs argue that (1) the Department of Education (DOE) lacked the authority to revise the EIS and BUP after the February PEP vote, in that the February PEP vote was a final determination of the issue on the administrative level; (2) the revised EIS and BUP are improper, because, under the Education Law (EL), they are untimely, having been brought less than six months before the start of the school year; (3) the revised EIS impermissibly includes a school not mentioned or addressed in the original EIS; and (4) defendants did not comply with EL notice requirements prior to the June PEP vote, by providing a notice of hearing in English only, and then, purportedly in an untimely manner, published the notice in Spanish. On this motion, plaintiffs seek partial summary judgment voiding the June PEP vote.
In response, defendants, and intervenor-defendants (all parents of school-age children who are slated to attend Success Academy, and who, as a result, support the co-location), argue that the Success Academy would be placed in an under-utilized space within Brandeis, and so cause no harm to the existing schools. For example, some of the rooms allocated to Success Academy are currently being used to store file cabinets and extra furniture. They maintain that this court lacks jurisdiction over plaintiffs' action and the present motion, because (1) the Commissioner of the State Education Department (SED) has exclusive, original jurisdiction over the issue; (2) plaintiffs have failed to exhaust their administrative remedies, in that they did not refer their grievance with the PEP vote to the Commissioner, in derogation of the EL; or (3) that the court should defer to the Commissioner as a matter of primary jurisdiction.
On the merits, defendants argue that (1) they had the right to revise the EIS and BUP after the February PEP vote; (2) the revised EIS and BUP were timely brought; (3) the revised EIS did not include a new school, as the Young Adult Borough Center (YABC) is a "program" not a "school"; and (4) defendants complied with all statutory notice requirements, in that the notice of hearing concerning the revised EIS and BUP was timely, despite the fact that a Spanish version appeared later than the original notice. [*3]
In a recent decision of this court (Mulgrew v Board of Education, ___Misc 3d___, 2011 NY Slip Op 21252 [Sup Ct, NY County 2011]) (Mulgrew), this court found that it had concurrent jurisdiction with the Commissioner to address the validity of a PEP vote, despite language in EL §§ 2853 (3) (a-5) and 310, citing that a dispute under these sections "may" be directed to the Commissioner.
In a totally different lawsuit between the same parties, concerning class size, Mulgrew v Board of Education (___AD3d___, 2011 NY Slip Op 06088 [1st Dept 2011]) [Mulgrew 2), the Appellate Division, First Department, very recently released a decision which makes findings and reaches conclusions which necessarily require this court to reconsider its earlier interpretation of the EL provisions concerning the SED Commissioner's jurisdiction. This court's earlier analysis was conducted without benefit of controlling or persuasive appellate authority interpreting the relevant EL provisions.
In Mulgrew 2, the Appellate Division found that an action brought to decide a dispute involving Education Law § 211-d should have been brought before the Commissioner before it was brought before the court. The language of the statute was extremely specific as to this point, and so, the Court's determination is not surprising.
EL § 211-d, denominated the Contract for Excellence, is concerned with the allocation of funds to the goal of reducing class sizes in New York City. Reduction of class size was to be accomplished "through creation or construction of more classrooms and school buildings, placement of more than one teacher per classroom, or by other means (Education Law § 211-d [2] [b] [ii])." Mulgrew 2, 2011 NY Slip Op 06088, at *2. The statute provides that "the sole and exclusive remedy' for violation of this paragraph would be a petition to the State Education Department Commissioner, whose decision would be final and unreviewable.'" Id., citing EL § 211-d (2) (b) (ii).
Inasmuch as this is not the section of the EL at issue in the present case, were this all the Appellate Division had held, this court would have no more guidance as to how to proceed in this action than it did previously. However, the Court went on to determine that the plaintiffs in the Mulgrew 2 class size case had also failed to exhaust their administrative remedies in approaching the court in the first instance, even if EL § 211-d (2) (b) (ii) did not apply, because under EL § 310 (7), a statute which lists the issues which "may" be brought to the attention of the Commissioner, the matter was particularly within the expertise of the Commissioner. The Court reflected that EL § 310 (7) "does not provide for exclusive or original jurisdiction," but that, it would be "consistent with the statute's scheme to require those petitioner-organizations whose complaints do not fall under section 211-d (7) to exhaust their remedies under Education Law § 310 (7) before proceeding to court." Id. at *6.
The Court reasoned that:
the issue raised by petitioners is whether the Board of Education improperly utilized funds allocated for the particular purpose of reducing class size to make up for reductions from its other funding sources. Determination of this point falls squarely within the purview of the State Education Department, as it will require review and comparison of budgets, expenditures and funding allocations.
*4]Id.
In the present action, the court is faced with issues regarding how the Department of Education allocates its resources for the purpose of placing new schools within already existing schools, with emphasis on fairness of the allocations. Although, as this court previously found, and the Appellate Division clarifies, there is indeed concurrent jurisdiction over these issues, the determination in Mulgrew 2 appears to show a decided reluctance on the part of the higher Court to take on disputes of this nature. In other words, the Appellate Division's decision makes clear that, in the first instance, disputes of this nature should be heard by the executive branch agency with the relevant expertise, here the State Education Department Commissioner. In short, it appears that the issues raised by the co-location of Success Academy in the Brandeis Campus should be heard in the first instance by the Commissioner, and not by the court. If aggrieved by the Commissioner's final determination, the parties have appropriate remedies at that juncture to seek judicial review of his actions.
III. Conclusion
For the reasons explained above, plaintiffs' motion must be denied, and upon a search of the record pursuant to CPLR 3212(b), intervenor-defendants' informal request for summary judgment granted, and the action dismissed. It should be emphasized that this dismissal does not constitute any factual finding by this court as to the propriety of the planned co-location; rather, the action is dismissed because procedurally, the court finds that in light of Mulgrew v Board of Education (___AD3d___, 2011 NY Slip Op 06088 [1st Dept 2011]), the State Education Department Commissioner should be permitted to exercise his concurrent jurisdiction in the first instance. Upon a final determination by the Commissioner, any aggrieved party may, of course, exercise any right to judicial review it may have by statute.
Accordingly, it is
ORDERED that the Motion Support Office and the Clerk of Court are directed to accept the Notice of Motion e-filed as Document No. 84 as properly filed and to assign this motion an appropriate motion sequence number forthwith and to then file this decision and order as resolving said motion; and it is further
ORDERED that the motion for partial summary judgment brought by plaintiffs is denied; and it is further
ORDERED that, pursuant to CPLR 3212 (b), summary judgment dismissing the complaint is granted to defendants and intervenor-defendants; and it is further
ORDERED that the complaint is dismissed with costs and disbursements to be accorded to defendants and intervenor-defendants as taxed by the Clerk of the Court, upon presentation of an appropriate bill of costs; and it is further
ORDERED that the Clerk is directed to enter judgment accordingly.
Dated: August 12, 2011_______________________________________
Footnote 1: Apparently the Motion Support Office has rejected the Notice of Motion. Because of time exigencies, and because all parties were desirous of a prompt resolution of the issues raised, the court agreed to hear oral argument on the motion on the papers filed before it left on vacation on July 21, 2011 notwithstanding the Motion Support Office's rejection of the Notice of Motion and the lack of a motion sequence number being assigned. Because all parties were fully heard on the motion and the court has had an opportunity to review all the enumerated papers, the Clerk of Court is directed to accept the Notice of Motion e-filed as Document No. 84 and to assign this motion an appropriate sequence number forthwith and accept this decision and order as resolving said motion.
Footnote 2:There is a dispute as to whether the Young Adult Borough Center, which is housed at Brandeis, is a "school" or a "program," as discussed infra.
Footnote 3:All parties agree that Steglich 1 has been abandoned as moot.
Sanctioning Misconduct
See below for this quote: "...the ratio of transgressions to punishment is inexplicably lopsided when it comes to rule-breaking by officialdom. Courts that find "prosecutorial misconduct impropriety" rarely, if ever, impose punishment."
If what I'm saying, as well as all the other blogs and websites out there, that the finding of guilt is often based upon false or at least undefined misconduct at 3020-a and in the Courts, then what we are dealing with is the Sanctioning of Misconduct.
The Public Defender
In a system that is built on accountability, the punishment for violations of accepted standards is notoriously one-sided. Defendants, almost exclusively, are the ones penalized for failing to conform their behavior to the standardized and socially accepted norms. With good reason, obviously. But the criminal justice system isn't a one-team sport: there are also judges and prosecutors. And all participants in this game are guilty of misconduct, albeit less frequently. Yet the ratio of transgressions to punishment is inexplicably lopsided when it comes to rule-breaking by officialdom. Courts that find "prosecutorial misconduct impropriety" rarely, if ever, impose punishment.
I wrote almost a month ago about the CT Supreme Court's extraordinary decision in State v. Patrick Lenarz, in whose case the prosecutor received, read and utilized at trial confidential documents from the defendant to his attorney. The Lenarz case is remarkable not only for the strong language in the decision, but the fact that the Court was so troubled by the actions of the prosecutor that it ordered Lenarz released back in November, after oral argument. In fact, the Court found that the violation by the prosecutor was so egregious that it ordered that the prosecution be dismissed.
But still, this is a prosecutor we're talking about. The Court doesn't bother to name the offending prosecutor in its decision, but if you know how to read CT appellate opinions, you know that the last prosecutor listed in the "credits" is usually the prosecutor who handled the matter at the trial court. It is a rather tiresome feature of our appellate courts that they will not hesitate to name defense counsel when evaluating claims of ineffective assistance of counsel, but when it comes to conduct by a prosecutor that is "extremely troubling", they still cannot bring themselves to put the name down in print, even though the significance of the prosecuting arm of the state using illegal and unethical measures to secure convictions against the citizenry is something far more egregious and dangerous.
As if this coddling and protection of prosecutors wasn't infuriating enough, the laissez faire attitude toward such impropriety gets even worse with the complete failure of any entity to impose sanctions on that prosecutor. It is a common refrain heard around the criminal justice system that prosecutors are rarely – if ever – held accountable for their "extremely troubling" acts of misconduct. I mean, c'mon, if a court isn't even going to name them, then do you think there's ever be any sanctions imposed?
That's the subject of a powerful article in the CT Law Tribune by former Chief Disciplinary Counsel Mark Dubois, who comments on Lenarz and the failure of courts to correct this misbehavior:
One part of the decision troubled me though. In Lenarz, the majority noted that it was "extremely troubled" by the conduct of the state's attorney because the communications were clearly of an attorney/client nature, even being noted that at the top of some of the pages. Yet despite being troubled, the court imposed no discipline on the prosecutor.
Professor (I took one of his classes once, so he'll always be "Professor" to me) Dubois then points out something that I was unaware of, that's rather surprising:
Practice Book 2-32(a)(2)(F) allows the Grievance Committee to screen out and dismiss any case where the alleged conduct occurred in a court, "and the court has been made aware of the allegations of misconduct and has rendered a decision finding misconduct" or has either determined that no misconduct has occurred or has declined to refer the matter to the Grievance Committee. Yes, "or" can be used conjunctively—"would you like cream or sugar in your coffee?" — but the common use of the word is as a disjunctive. The use of "or" instead of "and" in the rule seems to suggest a presumption that if a court finds misconduct, it will impose discipline. The Grievance Committee, being only an "arm of the court," cannot act where a court has already taken jurisdiction and found misconduct, even if no discipline is imposed.
Here's the relevant Practice Book section:
(a) Any person, including disciplinary counsel, or a grievance panel on its own motion, may file a written complaint, executed under penalties of false statement, alleging attorney misconduct whether or not such alleged misconduct occurred in the actual presence of the court. Complaints against attorneys shall be filed with the statewide bar counsel. Within seven days of the receipt of a complaint the statewide bar counsel shall review the complaint and process it in accordance with subdivisions (1), (2) or (3) of this subsection as follows:
(2) refer the complaint to the chair of the statewide grievance committee or an attorney designee of the chair and to a nonattorney member of the committee, and the statewide bar counsel in conjunction with the chair or attorney designee and the nonattorney member, shall if deemed appropriate, dismiss the complaint on one or more of the following grounds:
(F) the complaint alleges misconduct occurring in a superior court, appellate court or supreme court action and the court has been made aware of the allegations of misconduct and has rendered a decision finding misconduct or finding that either no misconduct has occurred or that the allegations should not be referred to the statewide grievance committee;
Prof. Dubois interprets that to mean that once a court has found misconduct and imposed no sanction, the Grievance Committee must not take further action against the prosecutor. But I don't see where in the rule it says that the Committee cannot proceed with disciplinary proceedings against the prosecutor based on the record created by the appellate decision. I'm assuming the professor knows more than I do in this area, so I invite him to correct my mistake.
Even if that is the case, it certainly does not divest the court of its authority to refer the matter to the Grievance Committee for disciplinary proceedings. And we all know that never happens:
A quick Westlaw search reveals many cases where courts have found misconduct by prosecutors, ranging from Brady violations to evidence destruction to calling defendants "fiends" and "rats." While some of the misconduct has been sufficient to warrant new trials or dismissals, none if it that I can think of has resulted in discipline of the lawyers involved. Perhaps the appellate courts think that the Grievance Committee will clean up that loose end. But it never happens. And as prosecutors are immunized from civil liability, the conduct goes unpunished.
This indifference approach to ethical violations in the most grievous of settings is another symptom of a system that places finality above all else, that condones the erosion of individual rights and liberties in favor of a more authoritarian society. With the legislature unable to act, it will be up to the Courts – well populated with former prosecutors – to bring accountability in an impartial way. If the Chief Justice is indeed serious about restoring faith and integrity in our justice system, she might want to go further than characterizing the conduct as "extremely troubl[ing]" and actually hold those people who undermine that same integrity responsible.
New York State Supreme Court Judge Paul Fineman Di...
Dear Betsy, I am forever indebted to you, Betsy, for your expert advice throughout a horrific ordeal. You worked tirelessly to prove my innocence in a 3020a proceeding that was instigated by a corrupt school district and fueled by lies. My proceedings ended with my complete exoneration, my record expunged and my immediate return to the classroom. We didn't even need to file an appeal! Thank you, Betsy. I am now eligible to retire and enjoy the benefits you helped me to protect. God bless you and the work you do protecting the innocent.-Maria G. To whom this may concern, I want to recommend Betsy Combier as the best person you could have in your corner. From the first day I met Betsy I felt secure. I had the misfortune of having to go through a 3020a hearing and with help of Ms. Combier my job was secure, I don't know where I would be without Betsy's help and support. She is still assisting me with my federal case. I could not recommend Betsy any higher, she is a person of her word, and her expertise is important and necessary for everyone with any problem-David P. I met Betsy Combier approximately about 5 years ago, as a result of a recommendation from a colleague. Since then she has been an advocate of mine ever since, and has worked above and beyond my expectation. Betsy fights against the wrongdoing of public education officials in New York City. Throughout the extremely difficult arbitration, Betsy fought for my unalienable rights, even though my former principal did everything in her power to tarnish my name and damage my career. Betsy is not an attorney yet she has the experience and knowledge that is above and beyond that of an attorney and follows through on all issues. She is truly an angel from heaven above, and a quality public defender.-Jason R. I was char


A staple in the 1950s landscape, the American root beer stand is near extinction. This summer on our Niagara Falls road trip, we were charmed to discover an original – the White Turkey Drive-In, virtually unchanged since its founding over 60 years in the town of Conneaut, Ohio, off I-90 near the Pennsylvania border. An open-air summer stand, with cheery red and chrome stool seating and red-and-white striped awnings to roll down in rain, pulling up to White Turkey is like stepping back in time.
Along with Mac's Drive-in in Waterloo, NY, the White Turkey Drive-In is one of the last places you can get Richardson root beer, mixed on demand with carbonated water and syrup from the Richardson root beer barrel. Served in chilled, frosted mugs, Richardson root beer is a rich, complex, sweet and spicy brew with a thick head of creamy foam – an altogether different experience from regular root beers out of a can.
I can't say what makes Richardson root beer so flavorful – every root beer has its own sweet-bitter-minty-tingly blend of flavorings, including sassafras, vanilla, wintergreen, cherry tree bark, licorice root, sarsaparilla root, nutmeg, anise, molasses, cinnamon, clove and honey. I just wish it were more widely available.
A&W, founded in 1919 in Lodi, California, started bottling its franchise's popular brew in 1971. Richardson should join the bottled craft root beer market before its venerable recipe dies out entirely, but it seems like a forgotten brand, not even mentioned on the company's website.
Root beer, a brewed soft drink, is a true American beverage. Before safe drinking water was widely available, brewed beverages were safer to drink than water, and small beers – lightly alcoholic beverages such as ginger beer, birch beer and sarsaparilla beer – were even consumed by children.
Originally flavored with the root of the native sassafras tree, "root tea" was first brewed by American farmers in the 18th century as a small beer. Later marketed by pharmacists as a healing potion, the first commercial version was sold in 1876 at the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition by pharmacist who dubbed it "root beer" to make it more marketable.
The drink gained popularity during Prohibition, as small breweries switched to making nonalcoholic brewed beverages and sodas. By the mid-20th century, root beer stands were a popular fixture along American road sides.
Sassafras, a tree native to eastern North America as well as eastern Asia, was used by both Native Americans and European settlers for medicinal purposes. But sassafras oil was banned in 1960 from commercial use due to concerns of carcinogenic effects. After the ban, manufacturers found a way to treat the plant in order to extract flavor without the oil.
As you would expect, White Turkey Drive-In makes a killer root beer float. They also make an adorable kids' version in a tiny frosted mug.
The kids begged for a repeat visit on the way home from Niagara. This time we had a black cow, which is typically a root beer float with chocolate syrup added.
You have to get off the interstate highways to find gems like the White Turkey Drive-In. When my husband and I moved from New York City to California, we avoided interstate fast food with a marked-up copy of Roadfood (then called Eat Your Way Across the USA), a guide to regional roadside food stops across America, written by husband and wife team Jane and Michael Stern.
A lot has changed in the last dozen years. We don't have to rely on professionals to discover these hidden treasures of America, we hear directly from savvy locals via Yelp and Chowhound. Gourmet magazine, for which Jane and Michael Stern wrote the "Two for the Road" column for years, is defunct. But the Sterns, now divorced but still working together, have Roadfood.com, an online collection of their discoveries as well as commentary from others.
It was Roadfood, in fact, that led me to White Turkey Drive-In. I've been so fixated on their root beer I haven't even explained their specialty, the white turkey sandwich.
The original Richardson franchise owners from 1952, Eddie and Marge Tuttle, also owned a turkey ranch in Conneaut. They developed a recipe for a moist, flavorful shredded turkey that they sold in a soft hamburger bun, the same recipe used today by the second and third generations of the Tuttle family.
The turkey is surprisingly good on its own. But White Turkey also has squeeze bottles of mayonnaise or a tangy barbecue sauce, along with pickle slices and chopped onions. Their burgers get great reviews too, but I had to try the turkey.
The non-root-beer treats are just as cute.
Too bad my in-laws missed this place on their honeymoon trip to Niagara Falls. They would love it now, too, and the jukeboxes would bring them right back to 1963.
Conneaut is a small town in the middle of nowhere, at least three hours from Columbus and an hour east of Cleveland. So there's really not much reason for us to pass by again. But we might just have to find one.
White Turkey Drive-In is only open in the summer (mid-May to Labor Day).
If you're in the Finger Lakes region of New York state, Mac's Drive-In, which moved from the original open-air Richardson stand to an enclosed restaurant site in 1968, is open year round.
I love how Mac's has a tribute to White Turkey on its website, acknowledging their kinship as the last of the original Richardson root beer stands.
And here's the recipe, which I'm including just so I can put it on my recipes page to remind us all to make it.


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MADRID — For months now, [artist id="1230523"]Kanye West[/artist] has been giving fans a taste of My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy through his G.O.O.D. Friday initiative, but for [artist id="1940303"]Rihanna[/artist], he rolled out his entire album — a move that had just as much to do with their friendship as it did with convincing her to jump on a track.
"[Kanye] actually played his album to me, like, three months ago, and 'All of the Lights,' that was one of my favorite songs," Rihanna told MTV News at the 2010 MTV Europe Music Awards on Sunday. "So when he asked me to come up to the studio at 2 o'clock in the morning, I had to, because I loved it, I knew it was that song."
Rihanna, of course, lent her vocals to the hook of West's massive posse cut "All of the Lights," which also features contributions from (deep breath) Alicia Keys, John Legend, The-Dream, Fergie, Kid Cudi, Elton John, Ryan Leslie, Charlie Wilson, Tony Williams and La Roux's Elly Jackson.
The track — which is featured prominently in West's "Runaway" film — leaked last week, joining a number of other tracks from My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy that have debuted before the album's release. In addition to the singles "Power" and "Runaway," "Devil in a New Dress" and "Monster" (both of which were featured first as G.O.O.D. Friday tracks) will also appear on Fantasy.
The album, due November 22, will feature five different covers, which West unveiled last week during a Ustream broadcast.


I have an update on the project. I was able to, at last, make everything into a prototype mode. It is working and getting into some shape.
I have never done soldering before and making the PCB out of the proto boards was real challenge for me. I even spoiled one easy driver board! But some how I completed it.
Now I can control the Stepper Motor from the control box keypad with feedback and updates on the LCD window.
Key A: Move the rail to far side at full speed.
Key D: Move the rail to near side at full speed.
Key B HOLD: Move the rail slowly to far side.
Key C HOLD: Move the rail slowly to near side.
Key # * : Start focus stacking from near side.
Let # D : Start focus stacking from current position.
At any stage during operation, any key pressed will cause an emergency stop.
You can specify all these, near position, far position etc using keypad as well.
I have also received the Velbon Macro Rail. I need to fix the Stepper Motor on it.
I also have to do trials with the opto isolator for the camera triggering.
Starting with Arduino.. Its exciting prospect.


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Volunteers pick up trash along Blue Water River Walk
Bob Gross
Times Herald
Laurie Krantz, of Columbus Township, had her grandchildren, Elissa, 10, and Isaac, 8, with her Saturday at the Blue Water River Walk in Port Huron.
"We're here to collect up trash ...," Isaac said.
"... And to have some fun collecting Easter eggs," Alissa said.
The Friends of the St. Clair River sponsored a trash pickup and Easter egg hunt along the river walk.
"I got a flier at a meeting I was at," Krantz said. "I thought it was a good service project for them to do."
Kirsten Lyons, stewardship director of the Friends of the St. Clair River, said trash collects along the riverfront because of the open space and the constant wind.
"I don't think people mean to litter," Lyons said. "It just gets away from them. ...
"It's always windier here, and it's about 10 degrees colder. The good news is on those 90-degree days, it's actually comfortable here."
Henry Alva, of Port Huron, had his two children, Abigail, 5, and Gabriel, 8, picking up trash and Easter eggs.
"We come up here all the time," he said. "We're always up here, so we're here to support it."
Bud and Laura Pogue, of Port Huron, came with rakes and bags to pick up trash — no eggs for them.
"We use this park," Bud Pogue said. "We ride our bikes here. We love it and we like to support it.
"We were happy to see so many people using it this past summer," he said. "So many times they put things in and nobody uses it."
Laura Pogue said she thought the river walk was never going to happen.
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Sisters Linda Lockwood, of Avoca, and Patty Esselink, of Richmond, were with a group of three children and three adults.
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Aaron Faust, of Port Huron, was with his daughters, Khloe, 4, and Kayla, 8, and a family friend. His wife, Sheri, is president of the Friends of the St. Clair River.
"We wanted to go to a nice Easter egg hunt down by the beautiful river walk," Aaron Faust said. "We're braving the cold."
Patty Troy, U.S. co-chairwoman of the St. Clair River Binational Public Advisory Council, said the volunteers were appreciated.
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Jeremy and Veronica Dimick, of Marysville, were having a pre-Easter outing and trash pickup with their daughters, Genevieve, 2, and Josephine, 4.
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"We're happy to help. (The river walk) is a nice resource to have, and it's a nice easy way to help out."
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Q: Orientation-preserving homeomorphisms I am starting to study the Frechet distance, and the expression "orientation-preserving homeomorphisms" is very used, but I have not found a formal definition...For instance, for two given to parametrised surfaces $A,B:[0,1]^{2}\longrightarrow X$, $(X,d)$ being a metric space, the Fréchet distance is defined as
$\inf_{\phi,\psi\in\mathrm{Aut}([0,1]^{2})} \max_{x\in[0,1]^{2}} d(A(\phi(x),B(\psi(x)))$,
where $\mathrm{Aut}([0,1]^{2}) $ denotes the set of orientation-preserving homeomorphisms of $[0,1]^{2}$. What means, in this context (or replacing $[0,1]^{2}$ by $[0,1]^{d}$), the expression "orientation-preserving homeomorphisms"?
Many thanks in advance for your comments.

A: The concept of "orientation" is too subtle to give a comprehensive explanation in this answer. You certainly know it from linear algebra (an isomorphism $f : \mathbb{R}^n \to \mathbb{R}^n$ is orientation preserving if $det(f) > 0$). In the context of your question we deal with homeomorphims $h$ between manifolds (with boundary). Locally a manifold looks like Euclidean space $\mathbb{R}^n$ (or, at the boundary, like a half-space $[0,\infty) \times \mathbb{R}^{n-1}$) and it is possible to give a meaning to "$h$ is locally orientation preserving".
In your special case an orientation preserving homeomorphism $h : [0,1] \to [0,1]$ is one such that $h(0) = 0 , h(1) = 1$; if $h(0) = 1, h(1) = 0$ it is orientation reversing. On $[0,1]^d$ it is not that easy to explain, but if $h$ is continously differentiable on the interior of $[0,1]^d$ (i.e. on $(0,1)^d$), then it means that the Jacobian matrix of $h$ has a positive determinant for all $x_0 \in (0,1)^d$. Intuitively, an orientation preserving homeomorphism is obtained by "deforming the identity", an orientation reversing homeomorphism by "deforming a reflection of $[0,1]^d$ at same hyperplane $H_k = \{ x = (x_1,..,,x_n) \in \mathbb{R}^n \mid x_k = 1/2 \}$".

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Dumb new controversy: Should the 9/11 Museum mention jihad?
AllahpunditPosted at 3:01 pm on April 24, 2014
The silver lining in this gray cloud of revisionism is that, if this dispute ends up becoming a partisan flashpoint, it'll be amusing to watch lefties scramble to denounce references to "Islamism" and "jihad" in their own previous writing about AQ. Potentially it's a more sinister version of the "Redskins" follies, albeit with a much accelerated timeline towards Enlightenment.
Personally, I think all historical chronicles should leave the audience ignorant of the key players' motives.
The film, "The Rise of Al Qaeda," refers to the terrorists as Islamists who viewed their mission as a jihad. The NBC News anchor Brian Williams, who narrates the film, speaks over images of terrorist training camps and Qaeda attacks spanning decades. Interspersed are explanations of the ideology of the terrorists, from video clips in foreign-accented English translations…
Museum officials are standing by the film, which they say was vetted by several scholars of Islam and of terrorism. A museum spokesman and panel members described the contents of the film, which was not made available to The New York Times for viewing…
[F]or Mr. Elazabawy, and many other Muslims, the words "Islamic" and "Islamist" are equally inappropriate to apply to Al Qaeda, and the word "jihad" refers to a positive struggle against evil, the opposite of how they view the terrorist attacks.
"Don't tell me this is an Islamist or an Islamic group; that means they are part of us," he said in an interview. "We are all of us against that."
They've already convinced the museum to remove a reference to "Islamic terrorism" inside the building and the museum vows that the film will be screened in a room with some infopanels on the wall about Al Qaeda's not-all-Muslims fringiness, but officials are drawing the line at excising "Islamist" and "jihad." How come? Because, I think, even in deeply liberal New York, that's a whitewash too far. Everyone knows the truth so obscuring it will only make the museum look lame and cowardly. In fact, notwithstanding my jab at lefties up top, I'd be surprised if a majority of them sided with the interfaith group here instead of the museum. It's one thing to support the Ground Zero mosque in the name of absolving Islam of any connection to 9/11. It's another to censor Bin Laden's own words in a building designed as an historical record of what happened and why. Or am I giving them too much credit? Someone should poll this, stat.
Reminds me a bit of the statue that was once planned of three FDNY firefighters raising the flag at Ground Zero after the attack. Remember that? The three men in the famous photo of the flag-raising were white but the statue based on the photo would have changed the racial features on two of them to symbolize the shared sacrifice of the day. That was objectionable as historical revisionism and for insinuating that American unity and resolve after the attack couldn't be captured by three white guys, but the changes wouldn't have obscured the basic point of the statue. The proposed changes to "Islamism" and "jihadism" would. If you can't trust a museum devoted to 9/11 to quote the people behind the attack accurately, don't go. It means you can't trust anything else there either. We'll see if they cave.
Exit question: Has anyone thought to interview big-media superstar Brian Williams about his part in the film? It'd be interesting to hear him defend the "jihad" rhetoric.
Tags: 9/11 al Qaeda attack Islam islamist jihad muslim New York World Trade Center


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Men are more promiscuous than women, but that doesn't mean we should buy the cultural fallacy that men are programmed to cheat. The vast majority of men are happily, naturally monogamous.
The last few years brought several headline stories about the cheating behavior of guys like John Edwards, (former) South Carolina governor Mark Sanford, and Tiger Woods. The public–or at least the pundits' – reaction included outrage but little surprise. After all, here in the U.S., we expect guys to cheat on their partners. Research on male sexual behavior confirms what we know–that men are more likely than women to have an extramarital affair.
The information in the article presents a pile of findings from feminist advocacy research served on unadulterated B.S. Adultery is not abuse when women do it, but it is bad only when men do it? Women do not lie?
Why do we need misandrist websites like that launched by The Good Men Project? You better consider how much funding such a thing gets and where that funding comes from.
2.) Jack the Ripper (he killed five prostitutes) vs. Elizabeth Bathory (she killed about or close to 650 girls and young women by torturing them to death) vs. Jane Toppan (a nurse and contemporary of Jack the Ripper who killed as many as or more than 90 patients for no other reason than that she wanted to set a record).
Although you probably know all you want to know about Jack the Ripper (unless you grew up on a different planet), you most likely know nothing about Elizabeth Bathory or Jane Toppan. The following links will help you to learn something about those two women (and there is a large lot of more women like that, as the first of the following links shows).
No one in their right mind will think that men need something like The Good Men Project to help out with promoting the good image of men. It won't come from that place and organization.
Men need something like The Good Men Project Magazine like they need Ms Magazine or additional holes in their heads.
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My Aikido lead instructor, Shihan Beckham, always begins class with words of wisdom. They are applicable to each practice and they are applicable to life outside the dojo. The word for last night was "adagio". We did an hour and forty-five minutes of one class adagio. We slowed everything down to be certain we were getting the basics correct. As Mr. Beckham was explaining our approach to the class, I thought how ironic, but precisely true, that sometimes we need to slow down to catch up.
I like that scene in the Matrix where NEO suddenly realizes he can see everything in slow motion. It changes everything. His life moves instantly from the effect end to the cause end. In slow motion, he sees everything coming and blocks the nonsense away almost with a yawn. He then moves from the receiving end of blows to the giving end and his strikes are much more precise and effective. When we are not intentional, we tend to be more like the pre-slow-motion NEO. Confused, hapless and taking a lot more blows than we are giving. We run behind and get overwhelmed. It is easy to feel like life is something happening TO US when we move too fast. What we fail to grasp is that we are predominately creating this dynamic by lack of thinking INTO our actions.
1. Put God First. Try asking God for help with the important basics. Meditative prayer naturally and supernaturally puts you in an intentional state of mind. It causes you to think differently than your "on-the-go" default. Then your "on-the-go" prayers become reminders to stay on track. Have you ever thought about prayer being mostly about reminding yourself what is important? I am not saying God is inactive. I am saying it is possible that prayers are asking God to do something but also lining ourselves up with what we already think he wants.
Prioritize Your Life. Understanding your life purpose is important. All too often we are busy being busy and we lose our focus on why we do certain activities. Not all activity is of equal value. We have to continually check ourselves to be sure we are keeping the main thing the main thing. If our desires don't match what we know our priorities ought to be, we can drift into doing mostly what we want and lose the time we should have spent on other priorities. This is where the spiral begins that makes us feel like we are chasing life to get caught up.
Get Rid of Clutter.Your car, your kitchen, your living room, your bedroom, your inbox, your office/desk, your mind. Any clutter there? Are you sure? I have met a few people who do operate at high levels with clutter, but my experience has been that most of the people I have met (including myself too often) who coexist with clutter, are behind. I am not talking about intelligence or potential. I am talking about effectiveness.
Stop Unnecessary Time Wasters. We live in a world that begs our brains to be overly entertained and our own biology (hormones) works against us when it comes to "vegging" out and compulsively wasting time with electronic devices and social media. We all know better. We just need to do tangible steps to do better. What can you do to minimize time-wasting distractions that get your behind?
Drive Smarter. Do you commute? Find something that contributes to your personal development during your daily commute. HINT: You are not likely to find it on the radio.
Schedule Margins. Sometimes we forget that we are at the helm of our calendars. Even if a large portion of our schedule is fixed by forces outside of our control, we can look for spaces to create buffers.
Do the Most Necessary Work First. I don't know about you, but I am extremely geared towards task completion. It serves me well much of the time but my challenge is to stop working on a certain project, let it wait, and get going on the thing that keeps the lights on in my house.
Don't Say Yes to Everything. Someone is reading this and shaking their head. Your time is your life. YES! You can say, "NO!" and the Earth will stay in its orbit.
Schedule Down Time. I have a confession to make. I take a power nap almost every afternoon. It happens after I pick up my youngest son from school. We drive to a parking area and wait for my older son to get out of school. I have often wondered if other parents in the same parking area look over and think,"What a loser!"I would be okay with that because what they don't know is that I am up at 4am every morning (3am today) working. I have intentionally structured my days to maximize my time with my boys and I have zero guilt that 15-20 minutes of that time is me snoring in the car seat next to my son. That time is paid for and contributes to my overall health.
Evaluate Your Schedule Often. Plans should not be implemented and then ignored. Calibrate often to stay aware of your goals.
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Cardinals saved at third-and-20
Posted by Darren Urban on September 18, 2017 – 11:36 am
Part of the story of the game-saving (season saving?) third-down-and-20 completion to Jaron Brown Sunday was how the Cardinals even got there in the first place.
— First came the FUBAR Carson Palmer "sneak" on third-and-1 for four yards, gaining a first down at the Cardinals' 24-yard line. All was OK, more or less.
— The next play, the right side of the offensive line collapses. Right tackle Jared Veldheer is pushed back, and for some reason, right guard Evan Boehm disengages with the tandem block he has on his man with center A.Q. Shipley to help Veldheer, allowing that rusher to go in a straight line to Palmer, where both pass rushers engulf the QB for a six-yard loss.
— On second-and-16, Palmer tries the fake-screen-left-screen-right to Andre Ellington, who is buried for a four-yard loss.
That's how the Cards ended up at third-and-20, and why things were so bleak. It wasn't just that it was third-and-20, but how they got there.
"Not an ideal situation to be in obviously, especially against the way they were playing, sort of sitting back a lot and sitting at sticks, at the first down yard marker a lot," Palmer said. "That's, you know, Jaron making a big play."
Brown needed to hang on, but to be truthful, the Cardinals were given the perfect defense. For whatever reason, not only were the Colts playing back, but Brown had a free run all 20 yards to the first-down line. Palmer did a nice job sliding up in the pocket and got rid of the ball just before Jabaal Sheard hit him as he got past Veldheer one more time. Brown hung on to the ball as he took a hit to gain 22.
The Cardinals then lined up and bombed away, with the J.J. Nelson 45-yard TD catch on the next play.
There were a little more than eight minutes left as this was all playing out. Brown has made his share of plays over the years but I don't recall many like this. Same with Palmer — it was a third-down conversion that reminded me of a Palmer-scramble-to-hit-Jake-Ballard in Seattle in 2013. That was only needing something like six yards, though. To get 22, and give the Cardinals any hope of winning — and then to have them win — gives this play gravitas.
Tags: Carson Palmer, J.J. Nelson, Jake Ballard, Jared Veldheer, Jaron Brown
32 Responses to "Cardinals saved at third-and-20"
Can someone please tell BA that on third and short, when Ellington lines up outside the tackle in the slot, EVERYONE ON THE DEFENSE KNOWS PALMER IS GOING TO THROW HIM A QUICK OUT PASS.
Palmer is very lucky he did not have two more picks throwing that obvious short out pass to Ellington. At least BA can add an additional route from that same formation so that everyone in the stadium won't know its a quick five and out pass.
Darren, the point I'm making is, I think a lot of our problems are bad play calling by BA when he simply does not have the personnel for those plays, or begins to show his hand with obvious tendencies for certain situations.
Last year, I recall several commentators mentioning how many times BA put the team in third and long situations by making too many high risk calls on first and second down.
I love BA and think he is a great coach, but I honestly think at times he gets set in his ways and this can be a problem. Perhaps turning play calling over to someone else might be worth trying on his part.
arians: " ….Palmer played "a whole lot better than I thought he did."
maybe, but did i mention, i want stanton to start against the cowboys.
By creditcard on Sep 18, 2017 | Reply
Coach K,
Totally agree. As a previous HS and junior college player from years ago, and now as a fan with very little "current" football knowledge; I even know some of plays based on personnel packages and formations. Good Grief that is Bad. Way too predictable.
In addition, when Jim Plunkett dropped back in the Raiders' pocket and threw it deep, he threw it to Cliff Branch (Pro Bowler). In front of Plunket was 5 of the arguably the best offensive line of all time. Bob Brown, Jim Otto, Dave Dalby, Ron Mix, and of course Gene Upshaw and Art Shell. Shell, Upshaw and Otto are considered the best of all time at their respective positions.
The Cards have Wetzel /Humphrey, Iupati / Boone, Shipley, Boehm, and Veldheer. Our current offensive line is neither athletic enough, or big enough to continually allow a deep ball thrown a dozen times during a game. Our front 5 is NOT in the same breath of the 1970's Oakland Raider front 5. I'm not sure if some of our O-linemen would even make it on another NFL team's practice squad. We do not have the equivalents of Brown, Mix, Darby, Upshaw and Shell in front of Palmer., thus we should not play call as if we were the 1970's Raiders.
The Cards are weak in two very vital areas:
1. Interior pass rush. The combinations of Mauro, Williams Peters, Gunter, Rucker, and Olson is not getting the penetration they should be getting.
2. Offensive line. Detroit simply bull rushed and out physicalled the Cards O-line. The Colts were quicker than the Cards. Our line is neither quicker or stronger than the two D-lines they have faced. This, above all other things, is extremely worrisome. Based on the number of hits Palmer has already taken — I have doubts if Palmer will make it (be healthy enough to play) to the bye week.
This has haunted the Cards for a few years, I'm thinking the bottom of the pyramid is the coaching, not the revolving door of players.
What happend to Palmer he is starting to look like a Mark a Sanchez if he is not careful he will end up with a but fumble! Watching the cardinals last two games make me wonder will they even make the playoffs? Truth me I'm a die hard Cardinals Fan but the way they played was sorry. If the cardinals are not careful they will be beat 58 to 0 against Dallas like that time they lost to the Seahawks . Comment on this is u have another opinion plzzz thanks
Great point, Darren. This win was a miracle of sorts.
Here's my take on the game. If these post are too long or if anyone doesn't like them, please give them a thumb's down and I will stop.
Pass Protection
* Right from the first series it and the immediate struggles RT Jared Veldheer was having, it was looking like the Cardinals were going to have a tough time protecting Palmer.
* To the question of BA offering pass protection help, the answer remains: little to none. There were occasions in the spread where the TE or the slot WR was in position to chip on the DE, but no, they did not. On one of the sacks Veldheer gave up, Ifeanyi Momah was lined up next to Veldheer and all Momah had to do is pop the DE once to prevent his burst, but instead Momah released and the DE raced past Veldheer off the edge.
* This stubbornness on BA's part is a major concern moving forward. The line did settle down more in the second half, otherwise today's main storyline would have been how a QB with 6 practices managed to outplay and beat a veteran former #1 pick in the draft QB with 5 years in the system.
RB by Committee:
* Chris Johnson emerged as the primary RB. he started the second half and ran for 11/44/4.0…which could have been 12/64/5.3 had TE Troy Niklas not held on CJ's nice bounce out run. Kerwynn Williams ran hard but did not find creases.
* Ellington had one good 8 yard run up the left B gap. Penny's one big play, a crisscross pass play in the red zone was nullified when RG Evan Boehm jumped off-sides.
Defensive Matchups:
* Markus Golden had tackling issues, otherwise he could have had at least 2 sacks.
* Chandler Jones took charge and recorded 5 tackles and 2 sacks.
* Brissett was able to break the pocket pretty easily whenever he tried to. His bootlegs were easy completions to the TE. The OLB (Golden) did not keep contain and for whatever reason the TE on those plays seems always open versus the Cardinals. The only defender I saw cover this play in pre-season was Cap Capi.
* Patrick Peterson did a good job covering T.Y. Hilton, but needs to not give up so much cushion in the zone defense, as Kamar Aiken caught an easy pass in Peterson's zone. Peterson should drool at his chances in zones, ones he otherwise rarely gets.
* Justin Bethel did a good job on Donte Moncrief.
* Tryann Mathieu got closer and stronger in underneath coverage as the game went on. You could see him getting closer to picking one off on Brissett's last possession of regulation. Brissett threw that pass into the turf near HB's feet. Then, HB made the game winning pick on a similar crossing route to Moncrief. So smart it was of Badger to get what he could out of the return and then fall down.
* Tyvon Branch and Antoine Bethea took turns again at FS and this week neither was burned by a deep pass. Tyron Mathieu was used exclusively underneath, which is where he plays best. As was Budda Baker who made a superb chase down tackle of Moncrief on a key 3rd and 8 late in the game. Baker drives through the man on his tackles, something this defense needs more of.
* I thought James Bettcher would put Branch on TE Jack Doyle, but I only saw that one time, as Mathieu, Dansby and Reddick tried to stick with Doyle. Covering the TEs was a real issue for the Cardinals. At one point Brissett was 7/7 throwing to the TEs.
* As for the Colts' FS Malik Hooker, yes he had the big interception of Palmer's ill-advised floater, which pretty much any FS should have made. Otherwise, Hooker was not a major factor in the game. With the versatility that Haason Reddick offers as a chaser, cover man and cat-quick rusher, imo, Reddick was a stronger choice at #13 than Hooker. But, the Cardinals still need to find a true centerfielder.
* The first STs gaffe came quickly when DT Rodney Gunter got called for illegal leverage on the FG attempt, which then led to the Colts' TD and their 7-0 lead.
* The Colts' punter Rigoberto Sanchez was never pressured and continued to flip the field on the Cardinals. The Cardinals always seem to give the opposing punter a total and complete comfort zone.
* Andy Lee was good…but the punt coverage was spotty until ST's star of the game Budda Baker took care of things. The Cardinals dodged a major bullet late in the game at 13-13 when the Colts has what looked to be a sure and easy punt block up the left side, where for some reason the Cardinals' punt team always seems vulnerable, yet the blocker mysteriously pulled up and whiffed.
* The last STs gaffe came after BA kept taking -1 yard kneel downs and then sent the FG team in on 4th down. Sending them in on 3rd down is the smartest option, because if there is a bad snap the holder can throw an incomplete pass and they can try the kick again. It first felt like BA was freezing his own kicker sand then Chuck Pagano called the TO in the nick of time. And then Phil Dawson, who in this game preferred to kick from the left hash marks, pushed the kick wide right. Dawson said after the game that so much had been said about the Cardinals' kicking woes of the past that it has just kind of "built up" on him.
* To Dawson's credit, he split the uprights on the game winner, which was a thing of beauty to Cardinals' fans like myself who by that time needed a ventilator and a three shots of Jack Daniels.
QB Play:
* More of the same offensive struggles for Carson Palmer for most of the game…which prompted BA at half-time and post-game to summarize the team's deficiencies on offense as "it's the QB."
* The whole offense was out of sync. Veldheer giving up early pressure set a poor tone. Ellington going in motion when the ball was snapped. Palmer nearly getting picked off throwing the ball late on the out passes to Ellington and Jaron Brown. Ifeanyi Momah with a drop (but made up for it later with a superb corner pass, catch and run). Bohem off-sides in red zone. Nelson not dragging his second foot in the end zone (tough play, but just missed by a fraction of an inch). Palmer getting flushed by a 3 man rush in the red zone and throwing the ball away. The curious fade pass to Fitz on 4th and 1. While a 50/50 ball like that to Fitz is always a good gamble, wasn't there a play in BA's bag of tricks that had a better percentage on 4th and 1?
* Then came the unforced "floater" from Palmer which reminds us that this is a normal occurrence from him…it is what it is. Other teams have said and been so right that Palmer will throw 3-4 passes a game that can be readily picked off. This one was very reminiscent of another game in which the Cardinals lost to a backup QB. In 2015 at Pittsburgh, while losing to Landry Jones the Cardinals were 1st and 10 in the red zone late in the game where a FG would at least tie the game and Palmer on 1st and 10 floated a ball over the middle to Gresham and the Steeler's FS could have fair caught it, it was such an easy interception.
* Are the Cardinals good enough on defense and STs to continue to have to compensate for Palmer's 3-4 bad throws into coverage a game? For the past 18 games, that answer is clearly no.
* Now let's be real about this comeback win — the offense was still so out of sorts in the 4th quarter that BA was electing to run the ball up the middle for 4 yards a pop down 13-3, and then IT happened…on 3rd and 2 with all sorts of confusion at the line of scrimmage, Palmer fumbles the snap, and an absolute miracle occurred…it was like the Red Sea parting just in the nick of time and Palmer had the presence of mind to pick the ball up and barrel forward for the first down. BA rightfully called this play a total "FUBAR."
* Let's face it, if Palmer does what QB are always taught to do as in dive on the ball or the Colts hop on the fumble, the game is over.
* From that point on, Palmer was dang good. I mean dang good. Great passes to J.J. Nelson, what a thing of beauty that perfect TD pass and catch by Nelson was. Palmer waited patiently for that coverage and when he got it he nailed it. The succeeding passes to Golden and especially to Jaron Brown (aided by a roughing the passer penalty) to get the Cardinals in good field position to tie the game, and then to possibly win the game.
* The good news is that late and forced throws to Jaron Brown (one early and one late in the game) and Andre Ellington that weren't picked off didn't wind up ruining the game like those kids of passes did last week versus Detroit.
* I asked prior to the game whether it would be good to dress Blaine Gabbert and I still feel 100& certain that it would. If the Cardinals are ever going to shake Carson Palmer out of his 3-4 potential "palmovers" a game it will be because there is another QB on the roster the coaches would turn to. That QB is not Drew Stanton, even though BA had Stanton warming up in the 4th quarter. That QB is Blaine Gabbert, who throws a quicker, faster ball than Palmer and who can readily and quickly escape pressure with is feet. if Jacoby Brissett can play good football on 6 days of practice, Blaine Gabbert can play good football on 6 months of practice. But, just Gabbert's presence might be the only thing to snap Palmer out of his prolonged funk.
Added Thoughts:
* And while we are at it—how about opening up the RT competition—could Ulrich John be a better option than Veldheer who clearly is struggling? When D.J. Humphries returns, is John Wetzel the stronger option at RT? Wetzel is one of the best run blockers on the team and he settled down in pass protection yesterday, as he did versus the Falcons' starters in pre-season.
*Moreover the Cardinals have to do something about their interior pass rush. Weren't Robert Nkemdiche, Olsen Pierre and Rodney Gunter supposed to help? Where have they been? Not only did Corey Peters stop moving his feet on his pass rush, passes were going right over his head without him at least raising his hands to try to bat or re-direct the pass. The coaching of the inside pass rush has been glaringly bad. Poor technique, effort and situational awareness. Plus, any scrambling QB can slip easily right pass the DTs because they allow themselves to be stuck in mud and to quit on the plays.
* This game was a miracle win. It was, for the most part, undeserved. There are games that teams deserve to win, and this one wasn't one of those games for the Cardinals. The defense gave up a long, time consuming drive that put the Colts up 13-3 several minutes deep into the 4th quarter. A #50 (who is that?) holds on the kickoff and pins the Cardinals' offense deep. BA was so fed up with the offense at that point that he was running the ball and the clock down with 7 minutes left, down 13-3. Then came FUBAR. Unreal. Will BA and the team be able to capitalize on this gratuity or will they go right back to playing 3+ quarters of listless, disorganized and uninspired football?
QB hits 2017 season without mnf
18 wentz, glennon
16 PALMER, wilson
16 rodgers, kizer
12 smith, hoyer
11 brady, siemian, cousins
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did i mention, i want to see stanton start in the first half against the cowboys, and get some of this hits? not all, because he is at the meoment for sure quicker then palmer. and palmer in the second half will play then a not so fresh defense. with long balls ……
Mitchaz…
Love your posts, always look forward to reading the as try are spot on!
By lonnie peavler on Sep 18, 2017 | Reply
I think the adversity and pulling out the win did this team some good. Starting two on the road at noon can not be easy. Go cards let's kick the cows in the boys.
gabbert as qb?
stop this nonsense immediately.
this is win now mode and not loose for the first pick.
how much time has palmer needed to get arians offense?
remember the first games how he struggled?
and now gabbert with a preseason?
stanton did us win games, and i expect him to do it again.
I wonder if J.Strong, WR would be worth taking a look at.
The Cards are 1-1. Some fans think it is over and some think this win will propel them to play offs. Either way, here are Some interesting facts about the cards;
– Nkemdiche got his first chance to play this week against a bad offensive line in the colts. He finished with Zero tackles.
– The Badger has only 6 tackles on the year. In contrast, Budda Baker, mainly on STs, has the same 6 tackles
– Marcus Golden has only 5 tackles and no sacks on the year, while Chandler Jones has 10 tackles and 3 sacks.
– Josh Mauro's sack was his first since 2015 and his second in his 4 year career.
– Carson Palmer has 4 ints, which leads the league. He is tied with Deshone Kizer and Andy Dalton (the Bengals and Browns are 0-2).
– Carson Palmer's 54.8 % comp % is second lowest in the NFL for QBs who played 2 games. Only Andy Dalton has a lower one. (54.1%). Although Palmer is averaging 300 yards a game
– the cards are averaging 64 yards a game rushing and 3 yards per carry.
– Palmer has been hit 16 times and sacked 5 times. At this rate, Palmer will be hit 128 times and sacked 40 times. Ouch.
– JJ Nelson is on pace to put up 80 catches for 1300 yards and 16 TDs.
– Cards are 30th in rushing offense, but 7th in passing. Losing DJ has a lot to do with it.
– Meanwhile, the cards defense is 19th in total defense (yards). 20th in the pass and 10th in the run. Being we played the colts who are 28th in offense, that is not good.
Looking at stats , it is obvious what we are seeing. The cards have no running game. With no running game, teams are teeing off on Palmer as he is taking shot after shot, which has affected his accuracy. On defense, the cards faced a QB in his 3rd start and was only with the team for 6 practices, yet they are 20th against the pass. The defense is giving up too much through the air, and are needing more out of the 3 down lineman, as it seems only Chandler Jones is providing a pass rush.
Can it be fixed? Bringing back CJ2K is a huge start. If CJ can give us a running game, it could take pressure off Palmer. A healthy (don't hold your breath) John Brown, could help in the passing game. The defense is the defense. There are no dlineman coming back. If the 3 inside guys can't get pressure on the QB, QBs will pick apart the secondary as evidence of the 20th ranking.
I can't think of two veterans in the league I'd love to see with a ring, that don't have one than Larry Fitzgerald and Chris Johnson. So glad they're on our team. And they can't get it without Carson Palmer.
I like what Chris is bringing to this team. I want to see highlight reals every week filled with CJ2K Part II, Larry Larry Larry and Palmer throwing to Smoke, JJ, Jaron. And can't forget some sacks and interceptions along the way.
This team is talented, more talented than most other teams in the league.If they could get in sink with one another and be on the same page, nobody would stop us.
By Bay Area Bad Boy on Sep 18, 2017 | Reply
The true test will be Monday Night. Two road games with early start times to start the season is tough. We are lucky to get out 1-1. We could easily be 0-2 or on the flip side, blowing a lead in Detroit, we could easily be 2-0. But that's football.
Dallas, after an unimpressive loss will tell us a lot about what kind of team we have. We will see what kind of team we have. This is the game that will tell us what to expect. We either have a team with grit and moxy, led by a gritty coach or we have a sub-standard bunch of we-wishers lead by a loser QB.
I have never been a Palmer fan, but I love BA and his ability to coach QB's. But I have seen Palmer throw into way to many double and triple coverage for my liking. It would help if the O-line could protect him.
For everyone to praise Palmer for having a short memory is inexcusable. Carson is a better option than any other QB we have, but Palmer simply has to play better. It's nice to see that BA is starting to hold him more accountable. We need better QB play to make up for all the mistake BA made with David Johnson. Geez.
How do you hold out our your starting running back from pre-season just to see him get hurt in the opening game. Seems like a pattern with BA.
I am hoping this team show more effort and enthusiasm now that they are home.
At this point, I am not impressed with this coaching staffs assessment with the team.
The GM has is right. BA, I love you, but get a clue, or at least a win on Monday Night.
Cardinals Fan Forever.
By CARDS62 on Sep 18, 2017 | Reply
I was at the game in row 20 behind the Cardinals bench. Team just looked flat. Only energy I noticed was TE Troy N. running up and down the sideline during the first half.
Mitchaz your article is right on and excellent, and many others have made excellent points about the game. Just wanted to ask a question and make a few points.
Question – What did Gunter do on the FG to get the penalty and cost us 4 points?
Glad that coach brought in # 69 Holden to play some te for protection, but 4th down call to Fitz with an inconsistent Palmer just makes no sense as does taking the ball when we win the toss to start the game. Our kickoff return team is very poor and our offense is inconsistent so we put ourselves in a bad position to start the games. If our offense is clicking this is fine, but everyone but BA knows it is not clicking.
JJ Nelson was the best player on our offense and it was not even close this game. The catch he made off the turf from another poor Palmer throw was incredible. Jaron Brown gets his hands on a lot of balls, but just seems slow in his movements to secure the catch. Love Fitz but he looked slow this game.
First two series we did nothing on offense, third series we use the TEs and move the ball and never go back to the TEs again. Please explain this to me???? We cannot cover other teams TEs so maybe they can not cover ours. If we are not going to throw to the TEs why can they not block and then release?
Game level is great for watching line play, and the Colts for the most part controlled both lines. Colts QB normally had a lot of time to throw the ball with a clean pocket.
Our secondary played well and so nice to see Honey Badger win a game for us again. We must note Colts have worse skill players in NFL and new QB so if we were playing better team we could have been carved up and lost this game by over 20 points.
I would start Palmer again next game, but just like last year he is off again. Gabbert should be second string and if Palmer struggles replace him during Cowboys game, but maybe go back to Palmer to start 4th game.
Cardinals team I have watched play these first two games are not making the playoffs even in a weak NFC.
Go Cards wake-up and beat the Cowboys.
Stop the run and make Dak play QB……D-line needs to dominate this week……stop the run and its game over.
mitchaz –
Wait…..this win was a miracle of sorts? Against the Colts?
Oh, my, we ARE in trouble! 🙂
Love your posts, bro. You'd get an A for effort, anyway, but your content is A-worthy as well.
S. Richardson sure would have been a difference maker this Dline needs.
Jaelan Strong;
What a career at ASU he had. The guy was a stud.
I know early in his career he struggled with drinking or drugs and was suspended but according to reports he was looking good in camp and had an ankle injury.
Might be worth kicking the tires
Watching the Giants play on Monday Night Football, It reminded me of the saying it starts upfront.
The giants could not run the ball or protect Manning. Even with all of his weapons, Manning couldn't utilize them because he had no protection
Sound like anyone we know?
Same goes for the Bengals. AJ Green and company are great but Dalton is getting killed back there as the bengals let their two best olineman walk in FA. results have not been good as Dalton is lowest rated QB and bengals are 0-2.
Bottom line, if your offensive line can't protect your QB, all your weapons won't matter. The cards (Palmer hit 16 times and sacked 5 times, with a horrible run game) must figure out a way to protect Palmer. Disappointing the oline wasn't addressed in the offseason.
RE: the pass rush…..or lack thereof
Well, might we have seen this coming with Campbell's departure? How much attention did the big man command and how much was that contributing to others being able to get to the QB? Answer – he meant everything to our ability to get pressure on the QB last year. He's gone. He hasn't been replaced. So…what were we expecting?
Yeah, Nkemdiche was being counted on to provide that but…..we see how that is going. Another first round triumph.
As we know, the lack of a pass rush will put more pressure on our secondary and that puts more pressure on Bethel to hold up, and…..how well are we expecting that to go?
The loss of Campbell is huge.
I MIGHT have considered countering many of the things you pointed out by offering that so far, after two weeks, a lot of other teams are off to shaky starts and are clearly having their issues, too. But ya know what? I'm not going to. That doesn't do it for me. I can't get excited about a team that might be able to hang around in the mix because the rest of the conference is weak.
I wanted to see this team looking better than this. And it is very disappointing that they don't. Especially disappointing when you look at the NFC ( so far ) and you see how lacking it is for truly good teams.
Dynosoar —
Re: talent
More talented than most teams in the league? This is where we depart. I've mentioned this before, but fans tend to overrate the players on their favorite team, because we're familiar with them.
Yes, we have a few standout players in terms of talent. Peterson at corner, David Johnson (when he was healthy) at RB. Fitz is Fitz — clearly a lot of talent, although at this point in his career, he's not as good as, say, guys like Julio Jones. But a perfectly fine #1 receiver. Badger has shown he can be a hugely impactful player, when 100% healthy and not tentative. I think a couple years ago, he was being talked about as a potential Defensive POY candidate. But that was a couple years ago. Last year, he was not that player. We have Chandler Jones, who is very good. And there are other talented guys, but are they more talented than the guys other teams run out there?
At the most important position, we have a guy — Palmer — who is getting up there, who has had one stellar season for us (two years ago), where he was talked about as an MVP candidate and was #3 in QB rating. His other three seasons with the Cards, he's been 20th, 8th and 20th. So his "average" placement in his 4 years with the Cards has been 13th in the league — which puts him right around the league median. Now, don't get me wrong — I'd rather have Palmer than the rotation of Anderson, Kolb, Skelton, Hoyer, Max Hall, etc. we went through post-Warner. And I think Palmer will be fine this year. But when I say fine, I mean, I don't expect greatness from him, the way the fans of the Patriots, Green Bay, etc. expect greatness. At the most important NFL position, we are average in talent.
Then consider the places where we are below-average in talent, like the receivers after #1. The Cowboys have Dez Bryant at #1, but then Williams and Beasley after that, plus Witten at TE. Our #2 and #3 receivers and TE don't come anywhere close to that. GB has Cobb and Adams after Nelson. Detroit drafted Golladay a couple spots before we drafted Chad Williams; Golladay had a big impact in the game against us, while Williams didn't have a catch. Nkemdiche, our supposedly huge talent from last year's draft, rarely plays and still hasn't done anything remarkable in a game that counts. And this board has gone off many times on the lack of talent at our #2 CB position which somewhat offsets the greatness of Peterson at the #1 spot.
O-line… do we have a single position on the O-line where our guy is better than the Cowboys' guy at the same position? Or where our guy would grade out as a top-10 at the position? I don't think so. And when the O-line is below average, it makes your average QB below average, or your above-average QB average. We're seeing this on other teams, too. Russell Wilson and Eli Manning are two QB's that most people think are better than Carson Palmer. In two games, Seattle has 1 touchdown and 21 points; the Giants have 1 touchdown and 13 points. Two other teams with O-line problems.
I think our success in the first few years of Arians' tenure made people think the Cards are more talented than they actually are. Now, we're the oldest team in the NFL. Don't get me wrong — I still think this team could, potentially, get it together and make a run. But some pundit said before the season began that the Cards had the biggest differential between their potential upside and downside, and I agree with that. This is a team that, especially after the DJ injury, could be anything from a 5-11 team to a playoff team.
I had predicted a Giants' slaughter of the Lions last night and it never happened. Some thoughts on a game that makes the Cards' loss in Detroit a little more palatable.
1) The Giants' fans disgusted that the FO didn't fix the OL problem from 2016
2) Stafford played a great game running the ball and throwing on the run
3) like the Cards, the Giants have a statue for a QB
4) the game was close late until a ST blunder and a PR touchdown.
5) the Lions played one of their best road games in recent years
6) two big plays- the Lions' PR and a big drop by NY's Brandon Marshall influenced the outcome.
7) Giants' fans annoyed that their young HC also calls the offensive plays
8) OBJ played at 80%
For as well as the Lions played and as bad a game that the Giants played, this game like our game with the Lions was up for grabs late.
Maybe the Cards can find solace in the fact that all teams have their warts. Don't know what to make of the NFL this year except for a couple of top teams.
By dkerry5242 on Sep 19, 2017 | Reply
Chad Williams had one reception on the only ball thrown to him. It looked like he was never targeted again. What happened?? Was he injured? Did he even get another opportunity? Is he running the wrong routes?
By Brett Colorado on Sep 19, 2017 | Reply
I think they need to change the CBA, as far as I am seeing players that played a lot in pre season are on stride where as players that played a series, if that, are sluggish. I know team owners and the players themselves do not want to play much cause they don't want to get hurt, I get it, but I think they need to play a little bit more to get the rust off, at least in the third game. As far as Arians play calling yeah it is predictable, but these players are get paid big money to execute the plays.
Scott H,
I would agree with you that things will shake out on most stats.
For instance, although Golden has no sacks, he has pressured the QB and the sacks will come.
The two stats that bother me the most are;
The second one seems to be a theme that has not been shaken. The first one, has a lot to do with DJ and the lack of running talent behind him. Funny, there was a couple of us on the board that was saying you can't cut CJ, because he is the only guy who can run the ball if DJ gets hurt. And then, we see DJ get hurt. Terrible decision to cut CJ and we are lucky to have him back.
But back to the second one. The offensive line has struggled for years and after a horrible 2016 in pass protect, they do nothing to fix it except flip the tackles.
If people will take the time, here is a good article about the cards OLine.
https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2017/9/20/16336684/offensive-line-arizona-cardinals-sacks-pressures-carson-palmer
It goes through the Levi Brown is "Elite" comments from BA to Cooper being compared to Randall McDaniel and how he has many pro bowls coming, to the decision to let go of Bobbie Massie and draft Humphries only to find Humphries was no where near ready and branded by Harold Goodwin as "Knee Deep" for his lack of football knowledge.
Let's not forget the center spot, where in 2015, Keim brought in Shippley, only to discover 3 weeks later that he needed to bring back a broken down Lyle Sendlien to play center. Now Shippley , by default is the center as Keim has tried to draft his successor in Boehm and Toner, neither able to make the move. Then you have Evan Mathis, pondering retirement because of injuries, signed and lasted less than 4 games going out with that same ankle injury he was rehabbing.
Check it out. it is worth the read.
Nkemdiche;
I can't remember who, but during the 2016 draft, someone (not me), loved Chris Jones as a DE and thought our first round pick should be him.
Instead, The cards took Nkemdiche to replace Campbell. Looking back;
Nkemdiche has 1 assist on a tackle. No sacks. Played in 6 games
Chris Jones has started 12 games for the Chiefs, He has 32 tackles and 5 sacks and a pick, along with 5 balls batted down.
Not sure which person on this board wanted Jones, but I wish Keim would have listened to him/her.
ouch, and did i mention, i want to see stanton as starter in the first half against the cowboys ……
faster,
well if they don't block for Palmer, you might get your wish sooner than later
faster –
So….you basically want to put Stanton out there in the first half, as a sacrificial lamb, so HE can get pounded, then we put Palmer in for the 2nd half after the Cowboys have worn themselves out and won't be able to put a beating on Palmer. I got that right?
Interesting…..why don't we run that by Drew Stanton and see how he feels about that? Palmer, too, for that matter.
I wouldn't hold your breath on this one.
By TucsonTim on Sep 20, 2017 | Reply
Great posts. Time to stop deluding ourselves that this is a "talented" team. Every NFL team is full of talent. Elite talent, we have a little, not much.
With DJ this was a 500 football team. Maybe this team is 5-11 without him. We will see how much improved the Rams and 49ers are. One thing is for sure, the only thing SK/BA did to make this team better than last year was get 2 new kickers. Hope vs reality.
Tucson Tim…
Hope you watched the Thursday night game…that should answer any questions about the Rams, 9ers and how much they have improved along side the Cards!
Suddenly even the Seahawks are looking old and tired, and we're slow to stay up with them!