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F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: MongoDB Removal
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Ben Cotton
Tuesday, 29 January 2019 Tue, 29 Jan '19
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal == Summary == Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from Fedora. == Owner == * Name: [[User:panovotn| Patrik Novotný]] <!-- Include you email address that you can be reached should people want to contact you about helping with your change, status is requested, or technical issues need to be resolved. If the change proposal is owned by a SIG, please also add a primary contact person. --> * Email: panovotn(a)redhat.com -- Ben Cotton Fedora Program Manager TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis
Miro Hrončok
Tuesday, 29 January Tue, 29 Jan
On 29. 01. 19 11:29, Ben Cotton wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal == Summary == Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from Fedora.
While I'm in favor of the removal, I don't think this is entirely true. It should read:
Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from Fedora or never update it again. Never updating it would bring security issues, hence we decided to remove it.
Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as python-pymongo). The change should explain if other packagers are expected to remove the functionality from their packages or if the change owners will do that. If we just remove Mongo, it will cause broken deps. Also, do we plan to move Mongo to the famous other repo (I assume nonfree section)? -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok
Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2019-01-29 11:39, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as python-pymongo). The change should explain if other packagers are expected to remove the functionality from their packages or if the change owners will do that.
I should point out that pulp depends on mongodb. At one time pulp and foreman were presented as the Fedora infra future in many public forums and conferences. I suppose this is now over but it would be nice to have a confirmation on the infra bits Fedora endorses (or not). Starting with repo management, since any entity that wants to set up a private infra as clearing room before contributing to Fedora, will need one of those Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot
Florian Weimer
* Nicolas Mailhot:
Le 2019-01-29 11:39, Miro Hrončok a écrit : > This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on > Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as > python-pymongo). The change should explain if other packagers are > expected to remove the functionality from their packages or if the > change owners will do that. I should point out that pulp depends on mongodb. At one time pulp and foreman were presented as the Fedora infra future in many public forums and conferences.
Pulp 3 uses PostgreSQL and Redis: <https://docs.pulpproject.org/en/3.0/nightly/installation/instructions.htm... (Note that while parts of the Redis ecosystem are no longer FLOSS, Redis itself still is.) Thanks, Florian
Le 2019-01-29 13:47, Florian Weimer a écrit :
* Nicolas Mailhot: > Le 2019-01-29 11:39, Miro Hrončok a écrit : > >> This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on >> Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as >> python-pymongo). The change should explain if other packagers are >> expected to remove the functionality from their packages or if the >> change owners will do that. > > I should point out that pulp depends on mongodb. At one time pulp and > foreman were presented as the Fedora infra future in many public > forums and conferences. Pulp 3 uses PostgreSQL and Redis: <https://docs.pulpproject.org/en/3.0/nightly/installation/instructions.htm... (Note that while parts of the Redis ecosystem are no longer FLOSS, Redis itself still is.)
That's nice to know but it's just the dev trunk isn't it? The latest release is still 2.18 with no public ETA for a complete stable 3.0, except for bits appearing now and then as beta version. Nevertheless, I had missed this change, thanks a lot for pointing it out. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot
Vít Ondruch
Dne 29. 01. 19 v 11:39 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
On 29. 01. 19 11:29, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal > > == Summary == > Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is > not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from > Fedora. While I'm in favor of the removal, I don't think this is entirely true. It should read: > Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from Fedora or never update it again. > Never updating it would bring security issues, hence we decided to remove it. > Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as python-pymongo).
Yes, right. There is rubygem-mongo and rubygem-mongoid and they will become FTBFS without MongoDB. The test suite could be disabled, but this will be unfortunate, because historically it helped to uncover issues on some of our arches. Vít > The change should explain if other packagers are expected to remove > the functionality from their packages or if the change owners will do > that. > > If we just remove Mongo, it will cause broken deps. > > Also, do we plan to move Mongo to the famous other repo (I assume > nonfree section)? >
Honza Horak
On 1/29/19 11:57 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 29. 01. 19 v 11:39 Miro Hrončok napsal(a): > On 29. 01. 19 11:29, Ben Cotton wrote: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal >> >> == Summary == >> Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is >> not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from >> Fedora. > > While I'm in favor of the removal, I don't think this is entirely true. > > It should read: > >> Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from Fedora or never update it > again. >> Never updating it would bring security issues, hence we decided to > remove it. > >> Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) > > This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on > Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as > python-pymongo). Yes, right. There is rubygem-mongo and rubygem-mongoid and they will become FTBFS without MongoDB. The test suite could be disabled, but this will be unfortunate, because historically it helped to uncover issues on some of our arches.
While I see the value of tests, I personally don't consider just the testing purposes to be a good enough reason to keep unmaintained mongodb-server in Fedora, and don't see any other option here. Do you see any viable solution here, Vit? Honza > Vít > > > >> The change should explain if other packagers are expected to remove >> the functionality from their packages or if the change owners will do >> that. >> >> If we just remove Mongo, it will cause broken deps. >> >> Also, do we plan to move Mongo to the famous other repo (I assume >> nonfree section)? >> > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >
* Honza Horak:
> Yes, right. There is rubygem-mongo and rubygem-mongoid and they will > become FTBFS without MongoDB. The test suite could be disabled, but this > will be unfortunate, because historically it helped to uncover issues on > some of our arches. While I see the value of tests, I personally don't consider just the testing purposes to be a good enough reason to keep unmaintained mongodb-server in Fedora, and don't see any other option here.
Maybe we could keep it as a buildroot-only package (similar to glibc32) and filter it from the composes? On the other hand, it would set a bad precedent. Thanks, Florian
Wednesday, 30 January Wed, 30 Jan
Dne 29. 01. 19 v 16:22 Florian Weimer napsal(a):
* Honza Horak: >> Yes, right. There is rubygem-mongo and rubygem-mongoid and they will >> become FTBFS without MongoDB. The test suite could be disabled, but this >> will be unfortunate, because historically it helped to uncover issues on >> some of our arches. > While I see the value of tests, I personally don't consider just the > testing purposes to be a good enough reason to keep unmaintained > mongodb-server in Fedora, and don't see any other option here.
My main point was that this should be coordinated and the test suite should be at least disable to prevent FTBFS.
Maybe we could keep it as a buildroot-only package (similar to glibc32) and filter it from the composes?
But this would be much better option. Vít > > On the other hand, it would set a bad precedent. > > Thanks, > Florian
On 29. 01. 19 16:17, Honza Horak wrote:
On 1/29/19 11:57 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 29. 01. 19 v 11:39 Miro Hrončok napsal(a): >> On 29. 01. 19 11:29, Ben Cotton wrote: >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal >>> >>> == Summary == >>> Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is >>> not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from >>> Fedora. >> >> While I'm in favor of the removal, I don't think this is entirely true. >> >> It should read: >> >>> Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from Fedora or never update it >> again. >>> Never updating it would bring security issues, hence we decided to >> remove it. >> >>> Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) >> >> This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on >> Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as >> python-pymongo). > > > Yes, right. There is rubygem-mongo and rubygem-mongoid and they will > become FTBFS without MongoDB. The test suite could be disabled, but this > will be unfortunate, because historically it helped to uncover issues on > some of our arches. While I see the value of tests, I personally don't consider just the testing purposes to be a good enough reason to keep unmaintained mongodb-server in Fedora, and don't see any other option here. Do you see any viable solution here, Vit?
My understanding is that not only we will not able to test those, but there will be no point of shipping them at all. What am I missing? -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok
Till Maas
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 04:23:48PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote:
My understanding is that not only we will not able to test those, but there will be no point of shipping them at all. What am I missing?
It is very likely that the packages can still be used to access MongoDB instances that run on other systems. Kind regards Till
Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 4:32 AM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com> wrote:
I only recently got the Ubiquiti Unifi controller into the RPM Fusion non-free repository... Can it be moved to RPM Fusion? Of course
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 9:29 AM Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 4:32 AM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com> wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal > > == Summary == > Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is > not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from > Fedora. I only recently got the Ubiquiti Unifi controller into the RPM Fusion non-free repository... Can it be moved to RPM Fusion? Of course that means that the dependencies will have to move as well...
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John Harris
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote:
Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is not a Free Software License.
For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's essentially a GPL incompatible AGPL license. -- John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com> Splentity https://splentity.com/
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 1:07 PM John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote:
For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's essentially a GPL incompatible AGPL license.
https://opensource.org/LicenseReview122018 http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org... It's not free for everyone all of the time. -- Chris Murphy
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 4:21:54 PM EST Chris Murphy wrote:
It's not free for everyone all of the time.
Under what circumstances is it non-free? I agree that it's overreaching (attempting to claim software that is not part of it as being the same software), however I don't see circumstances under which it would be non-free. -- John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com> Splentity https://splentity.com/
Neal Gompa
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote: > Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is > not a Free Software License. For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's essentially a GPL incompatible AGPL license.
It restricts fields of endeavor and how you can use it. That conflicts with freedom 0 of the Free Software Definition. In addition, no one is sure it's actually possible to comply with the SSPL as worded, since it attempts to convert the licensing of everything that's part of the running system, including things not directly linked to it. Cf. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.o... -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth!
Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:31 PM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:33 PM John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote: > > On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote: > > Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is > > not a Free Software License. > > For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's essentially a GPL > incompatible AGPL license. > It restricts fields of endeavor and how you can use it. That conflicts with freedom 0 of the Free Software Definition. In addition, no one is sure it's actually possible to comply with the SSPL as worded, since it attempts to convert the licensing of everything that's part of the running system, including things not directly linked to it.
Ahh. Thank you for the clarification. Licenses are much like power adapters, modular software installation tools. Everyone wants to invent their own, many have similar fundamental flaws, none are completely compatible, and we wind up with something like this from XKCD. https://xkcd.com/1406/
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:28:46 PM EST Neal Gompa wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:33 PM John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote: > > > Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is > > not a Free Software License. > > > > For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's essentially a > GPL incompatible AGPL license. > > It restricts fields of endeavor and how you can use it. That conflicts with freedom 0 of the Free Software Definition. In addition, no one is sure it's actually possible to comply with the SSPL as worded, since it attempts to convert the licensing of everything that's part of the running system, including things not directly linked to it.
The ability to use proprietary software in combination with free software is not part of Freedom 0. -- John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com> Splentity https://splentity.com/
I'm not sure if my previous email made it through and it's not an ideal solution but... What about moving MongoDB and it's dependencies to RPM Fusion? Thanks, Richard
Stephen John Smoogen
Fedora does not run RPM Fusion nor have any say of what is in it so any discussion of doing so would need to be over in their mailing lists etc versus Fedora. On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 12:16, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure if my previous email made it through and it's not an ideal solution but... What about moving MongoDB and it's dependencies to RPM Fusion? Thanks, Richard _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
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Simon Farnsworth
On 30 Jan 2019, at 17:06, John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote: On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:28:46 PM EST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:33 PM John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote: >> >>> Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is >>> not a Free Software License. >> >> >> >> For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's essentially a >> GPL incompatible AGPL license. >> >> > > > It restricts fields of endeavor and how you can use it. That conflicts > with freedom 0 of the Free Software Definition. In addition, no one is > sure it's actually possible to comply with the SSPL as worded, since > it attempts to convert the licensing of everything that's part of the > running system, including things not directly linked to it. The ability to use proprietary software in combination with free software is not part of Freedom 0.
But the SSPL also prevents you from using Free Software with it, unless you have sufficient rights to offer said Free Software under the SSPL, as per section 13 of the SSPL. I do not have sufficient rights to relicence the Linux kernel under the SSPL - it's not GPLv2 compatible - and the Linux kernel is one part of a service I might choose to offer using only Free Software from Fedora's repos, plus an SSPL licensed component. Thus, I'm stuck - I can't use non-SSPL software from Fedora (or, indeed, from the FSF) in combination with SSPL licensed software to provide a service, even if I *also* make the full source of the entire service available, since I'm not making the source available under the SSPL. -- Simon
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 4:19:13 PM EST Simon Farnsworth wrote:
But the SSPL also prevents you from using Free Software with it, unless you have sufficient rights to offer said Free Software under the SSPL, as per section 13 of the SSPL.
You don't have to relicense software in order to be able to use it.
I do not have sufficient rights to relicence the Linux kernel under the SSPL - it's not GPLv2 compatible - and the Linux kernel is one part of a service I might choose to offer using only Free Software from Fedora's repos, plus an SSPL licensed component.
Yeah, none of that matters. See section 1.
Thus, I'm stuck - I can't use non-SSPL software from Fedora (or, indeed, from the FSF) in combination with SSPL licensed software to provide a service, even if I *also* make the full source of the entire service available, since I'm not making the source available under the SSPL.
Unless you're providing MongoDB as a service, it doesn't matter, even according to their own FAQ. -- John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com> Splentity https://splentity.com/
Note that I'm not a lawyer of any type - this is a distillation of conversations I've had with real lawyers, but you should not take it as legal advice. Talk to your own legal people if you need something you can rely on.
On 30 Jan 2019, at 23:41, John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote: On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 4:19:13 PM EST Simon Farnsworth wrote: > But the SSPL also prevents you from using Free Software with it, unless you > have sufficient rights to offer said Free Software under the SSPL, as per > section 13 of the SSPL. You don't have to relicense software in order to be able to use it.
I do if I'm using it to provide a service that could be construed as "making the functionality of the Program … available to third parties as a service", under section 13 of the SSPL. As MongoDB's functionality includes retrieval of documents and document fragments, it's possible to construe the licence as covering anything that involves retrieval of a document or document fragment from a server (so all web applications, for example). This may not be what's intended, but it's a reasonable reading of the licence as written, and it could get expensive to argue in court that covering all document retrieval was not intended.
> I do not have sufficient rights to relicence the Linux kernel under the SSPL > - it's not GPLv2 compatible - and the Linux kernel is one part of a service > I might choose to offer using only Free Software from Fedora's repos, plus > an SSPL licensed component. Yeah, none of that matters. See section 1.
I've read section 1 - Linux implements more than just a "Standard Interface" as per that section (it goes beyond POSIX or any interface specified by an Official Standards Body, and is not specified for a particular programming language). Because of the way section 1 is drafted, "System Libraries" are excluded from section 13, but *not* "Major Components"; the kernel in this case is a major component, and is thus only definitively excluded if it implements a "Standard Interface". This may be an oversight - they may intend to exclude "Major Components" as well as "System Libraries", but it's not what they've written in the licence text. Only an item "which is not part of that Major Component" or which "serves only to enable use of the work with that Major Component, or to implement a Standard Interface" are excluded from the SSPL's reach.
> Thus, I'm stuck - I can't use non-SSPL software from Fedora (or, indeed, > from the FSF) in combination with SSPL licensed software to provide a > service, even if I *also* make the full source of the entire service > available, since I'm not making the source available under the SSPL. Unless you're providing MongoDB as a service, it doesn't matter, even according to their own FAQ.
But not according to the text of the SSPL; for MongoDB specifically, the FAQ may act as "estoppel", but it's not part of the licence as written; merely providing document storage or retrieval provides "the functionality of the Program … to third parties". If I do that as a service - e.g. pulling out billing records from MongoDB - I'm "mak[ing] the functionality of the Program or a modified version available to third parties as a service", and I'm covered by section 13 and have to distribute all but "System Libraries" as source under the SSPL. This *includes* "Major Components", as section 1 doesn't actually exclude them. Again, this may not be what they intended, but it's what the text of the licence says, and I would rather not rely on having to claim that what they wrote is not what they meant in order to succeed in court. Given these issues with the drafting of the licence, and the need to rely on MongoDB's FAQ to argue that, in the MongoDB case, the FAQ acts as estoppel, I can see why Fedora legal would consider the licence non-free. You've made claims for it that aren't backed by the actual text of the licence, for example. -- Simon
I do if I'm using it to provide a service that could be construed as "making the functionality of the Program … available to third parties as a service", under section 13 of the SSPL. As MongoDB's functionality includes retrieval of documents and document fragments, it's possible to construe the licence as covering anything that involves retrieval of a document or document fragment from a server (so all web applications, for example).
Yeah, that's not what section 13 actually says. If you make the functionality of the Program or a modified version available to third parties as a service, you must make the Service Source Code available via network download to everyone at no charge, under the terms of this License. While the license certainly doesn't require anything that uses MongoDB as a backing store to be free software, you should definitely make that free software under the terms of a license such as the AGPL.
This may not be what's intended, but it's a reasonable reading of the licence as written, and it could get expensive to argue in court that covering all document retrieval was not intended.
Perhaps. The easiest option is to just use only free software.
> > >> I do not have sufficient rights to relicence the Linux kernel under the >> SSPL - it's not GPLv2 compatible - and the Linux kernel is one part of >> a service I might choose to offer using only Free Software from Fedora's >> repos, plus an SSPL licensed component. > > > Yeah, none of that matters. See section 1. I've read section 1 - Linux implements more than just a "Standard Interface" as per that section (it goes beyond POSIX or any interface specified by an Official Standards Body, and is not specified for a particular programming language). Because of the way section 1 is drafted, "System Libraries" are excluded from section 13, but *not* "Major Components"; the kernel in this case is a major component, and is thus only definitively excluded if it implements a "Standard Interface".
While I disagree, if you're worried about that just don't use grsecurity and you're fine. Oh, and don't use proprietary kernel modules.
This may be an oversight - they may intend to exclude "Major Components" as well as "System Libraries", but it's not what they've written in the licence text. Only an item "which is not part of that Major Component" or which "serves only to enable use of the work with that Major Component, or to implement a Standard Interface" are excluded from the SSPL's reach.
But not according to the text of the SSPL; for MongoDB specifically, the FAQ may act as "estoppel", but it's not part of the licence as written; merely providing document storage or retrieval provides "the functionality of the Program … to third parties". If I do that as a service - e.g. pulling out billing records from MongoDB - I'm "mak[ing] the functionality of the Program or a modified version available to third parties as a service", and I'm covered by section 13 and have to distribute all but "System Libraries" as source under the SSPL. This *includes* "Major Components", as section 1 doesn't actually exclude them.
Yes, I think SSPLv2 is going to be coming around soon to address that.
Again, this may not be what they intended, but it's what the text of the licence says, and I would rather not rely on having to claim that what they wrote is not what they meant in order to succeed in court.
Given these issues with the drafting of the licence, and the need to rely on MongoDB's FAQ to argue that, in the MongoDB case, the FAQ acts as estoppel, I can see why Fedora legal would consider the licence non-free. You've made claims for it that aren't backed by the actual text of the licence, for example.
Sure, but my interpretation of the License is based both on my comprehension and on the intent set by the FAQ. -- John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com> Splentity https://splentity.com/
On 31 Jan 2019, at 01:21, John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote: On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 8:10:13 PM EST Simon Farnsworth wrote: > I do if I'm using it to provide a service that could be construed as "making > the functionality of the Program … available to third parties as a > service", under section 13 of the SSPL. As MongoDB's functionality includes > retrieval of documents and document fragments, it's possible to construe > the licence as covering anything that involves retrieval of a document or > document fragment from a server (so all web applications, for example). Yeah, that's not what section 13 actually says. If you make the functionality of the Program or a modified version available to third parties as a service, you must make the Service Source Code available via network download to everyone at no charge, under the terms of this License.
What exactly is "the functionality of the Program" in the case of MongoDB? Document storage and retrieval are two components of that functionality, and as written, it can be construed as meaning that if you provide document retrieval or document storage from MongoDB in your service, then you "make the functionality of the Program …available to third parties as a service". I suspect this isn't what they mean, but it's what they've written in their licence.
While the license certainly doesn't require anything that uses MongoDB as a backing store to be free software, you should definitely make that free software under the terms of a license such as the AGPL.
Where are you licensed to practice law? And is this legal advice that I can rely on your professional liability insurance for? Note that this statement is the exact opposite of one I've had from a real lawyer whose liability insurance kicks in if they're wrong - using MongoDB as a backing store could well be enough to require you to supply the whole service, including Major Components like the Linux kernel, under SSPL. AGPL is unacceptable - the terms say SSPL, and AGPL and SSPL are not identical.
> This may not be what's intended, but it's a reasonable reading of the > licence as written, and it could get expensive to argue in court that > covering all document retrieval was not intended. Perhaps. The easiest option is to just use only free software.
Worse than that - the only option if section 13 kicks in is to use only SSPL licensed software, as you have to supply the majority of your source code *under the SSPL*. Not just supply source code, but licence it under SSPL terms. AGPL may be Free Software, but it's not acceptable here.
> >> >> >>> I do not have sufficient rights to relicence the Linux kernel under the >>> SSPL - it's not GPLv2 compatible - and the Linux kernel is one part of >>> a service I might choose to offer using only Free Software from Fedora's >>> repos, plus an SSPL licensed component. >> >> >> Yeah, none of that matters. See section 1. > > > I've read section 1 - Linux implements more than just a "Standard Interface" > as per that section (it goes beyond POSIX or any interface specified by an > Official Standards Body, and is not specified for a particular programming > language). Because of the way section 1 is drafted, "System Libraries" are > excluded from section 13, but *not* "Major Components"; the kernel in this > case is a major component, and is thus only definitively excluded if it > implements a "Standard Interface". While I disagree, if you're worried about that just don't use grsecurity and you're fine. Oh, and don't use proprietary kernel modules.
Or xfs, or ext4, or mmap, as they all supply things beyond just Standard Interfaces as per the licence. And it's not enough to just release source - you are required to supply the source to everything you supply under SSPL terms, which means that you must have the rights to relicense all source you're supplying under the SSPL.
> This may be an oversight - they may intend to exclude "Major Components" as > well as "System Libraries", but it's not what they've written in the > licence text. Only an item "which is not part of that Major Component" or > which "serves only to enable use of the work with that Major Component, or > to implement a Standard Interface" are excluded from the SSPL's reach. > But not according to the text of the SSPL; for MongoDB specifically, the FAQ > may act as "estoppel", but it's not part of the licence as written; merely > providing document storage or retrieval provides "the functionality of the > Program … to third parties". If I do that as a service - e.g. pulling out > billing records from MongoDB - I'm "mak[ing] the functionality of the > Program or a modified version available to third parties as a service", and > I'm covered by section 13 and have to distribute all but "System Libraries" > as source under the SSPL. This *includes* "Major Components", as section 1 > doesn't actually exclude them. Yes, I think SSPLv2 is going to be coming around soon to address that. > Again, this may not be what they intended, but it's what the text of the > licence says, and I would rather not rely on having to claim that what they > wrote is not what they meant in order to succeed in court. Fair enough. > Given these issues with the drafting of the licence, and the need to rely on > MongoDB's FAQ to argue that, in the MongoDB case, the FAQ acts as estoppel, > I can see why Fedora legal would consider the licence non-free. You've made > claims for it that aren't backed by the actual text of the licence, for > example. Sure, but my interpretation of the License is based both on my comprehension and on the intent set by the FAQ.
And mine is based on discussing the issues with lawyers, who told me that my programmer-naïve view (which matched yours initially) was wrong, and that as written today, if I store a document in MongoDB, then provide document retrieval from MongoDB as part of a service on a Linux machine, I could be required to ship Linux kernel code to the users of my service under SSPL terms, and I would have to do so without either infringing copyright or accepting the GPL terms on redistributions. The FAQ implies that all of this is a foul up by MongoDB Inc, and is not what they actually intend, but that doesn't protect me if MongoDB is sold to a company like Oracle that doesn't respect the intentions of its predecessor. In particular, the ambiguity as written looks to be intended for use to stop you removing parts of MongoDB functionality from your API, or from using MongoDB with an incompatible API layer over the top, but there's nothing stopping MongoDB's future owners from going further with it. -- Simon Farnsworth
I'm offline for the night, but figured I'd head this off at the pass. I am not an attorney, and this does not constitute legal advice. -- John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com> Splentity https://splentity.com/
Emmanuel Seyman
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* John Harris [30/01/2019 21:09] :
I'm offline for the night, but figured I'd head this off at the pass. I am not an attorney, and this does not constitute legal advice.
On that note, I'm going to recommend that legal discussions take place on the legal list, not the devel one. I'm also going to note that the SSPLv1 has been superseded by the SSPLv2 so discussing the merits of the latter doesn't seem like the most productive use of one time's but YMMV. Emmanuel
* Emmanuel Seyman:
I'm also going to note that the SSPLv1 has been superseded by the SSPLv2
That's not correct. Version 1 is still current. Thanks, Florian
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:42 PM John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 4:19:13 PM EST Simon Farnsworth wrote: > But the SSPL also prevents you from using Free Software with it, unless you > have sufficient rights to offer said Free Software under the SSPL, as per > section 13 of the SSPL. You don't have to relicense software in order to be able to use it. > I do not have sufficient rights to relicence the Linux kernel under the SSPL > - it's not GPLv2 compatible - and the Linux kernel is one part of a service > I might choose to offer using only Free Software from Fedora's repos, plus > an SSPL licensed component. Yeah, none of that matters. See section 1. > Thus, I'm stuck - I can't use non-SSPL software from Fedora (or, indeed, > from the FSF) in combination with SSPL licensed software to provide a > service, even if I *also* make the full source of the entire service > available, since I'm not making the source available under the SSPL. Unless you're providing MongoDB as a service, it doesn't matter, even according to their own FAQ.
And that is the most central problem with the license, and why it isn't free for everyone all of the time. The idea free licenses can have gray areas where they aren't free, pollutes the free license ecosystem with confusion. And it burdens users who aren't sure of their usage with having to hire a lawyer to find out. So the answer is, it's not a free license. We can't have people downloading Fedora who use it for building a service and then they end up snared in a lawsuit because 'oh fuck we're using MongoDB! and we didn't know about this! we thought Fedora was only free software!' -- Chris Murphy
On Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:09:08 PM EST Chris Murphy wrote:
And that is the most central problem with the license, and why it isn't free for everyone all of the time. The idea free licenses can have gray areas where they aren't free, pollutes the free license ecosystem with confusion. And it burdens users who aren't sure of their usage with having to hire a lawyer to find out. So the answer is, it's not a free license. We can't have people downloading Fedora who use it for building a service and then they end up snared in a lawsuit because 'oh fuck we're using MongoDB! and we didn't know about this! we thought Fedora was only free software!'
Even taken to an extreme, it would likely be sufficient to link to Fedora's sources on any software used to provide MongoDB as a service, assuming their service itself is free software. -- John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com> Splentity https://splentity.com/
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 16:21, John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote:
On Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:09:08 PM EST Chris Murphy wrote: > And that is the most central problem with the license, and why it > isn't free for everyone all of the time. The idea free licenses can > have gray areas where they aren't free, pollutes the free license > ecosystem with confusion. And it burdens users who aren't sure of > their usage with having to hire a lawyer to find out. So the answer > is, it's not a free license. We can't have people downloading Fedora > who use it for building a service and then they end up snared in a > lawsuit because 'oh fuck we're using MongoDB! and we didn't know about > this! we thought Fedora was only free software!' Even taken to an extreme, it would likely be sufficient to link to Fedora's sources on any software used to provide MongoDB as a service, assuming their service itself is free software.
For the last time, please move this to the legal list, a blog, or your own tweet stream. This isn't the list for non-lawyers to discuss how they think law, licenses and contracts 'work' just because it looks just like COBOL. -- Stephen J Smoogen.
On Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:32:38 PM EST Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 16:21, John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote: > On Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:09:08 PM EST Chris Murphy wrote: > > And that is the most central problem with the license, and why it > > isn't free for everyone all of the time. The idea free licenses can > > have gray areas where they aren't free, pollutes the free license > > ecosystem with confusion. And it burdens users who aren't sure of > > their usage with having to hire a lawyer to find out. So the answer > > is, it's not a free license. We can't have people downloading Fedora > > who use it for building a service and then they end up snared in a > > lawsuit because 'oh fuck we're using MongoDB! and we didn't know about > > this! we thought Fedora was only free software!' > > Even taken to an extreme, it would likely be sufficient to link to > Fedora's > sources on any software used to provide MongoDB as a service, assuming > their > service itself is free software. For the last time, please move this to the legal list, a blog, or your own tweet stream. This isn't the list for non-lawyers to discuss how they think law, licenses and contracts 'work' just because it looks just like COBOL.
Please do not suggest non-free platforms such as Twitter. Most users do not know how to use such a platform without running non-free JavaScript, which may restrict their Four Freedoms. -- John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com> Splentity https://splentity.com/
Rex Dieter
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John Harris wrote:
> For the last time, please move this to the legal list, a blog, or your > own tweet stream. This isn't the list for non-lawyers to discuss how they > think law, licenses and contracts 'work' just because it looks just like > COBOL. Please do not suggest non-free platforms such as Twitter.
not to be harsh, but... Ironically, you're (still) missing the point smooge was trying to make, and perpetuating offtopic-ness on this list (and thread). -- Rex
Matthew Miller
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 04:03:17PM -0500, John Harris wrote:
Even taken to an extreme, it would likely be sufficient to link to Fedora's sources on any software used to provide MongoDB as a service, assuming their service itself is free software.
As I understand it, the requirement is not just to make the source code available, but to make it available _under the terms of this license_. As suggested, please take further dicussion to legal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org (cc'd). -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader
* John Harris:
For a start, it's unclear what "service" means. Fedora provides precompiled binaries and community support. Does this "make the functionality of the Program […] available to third parties as a service"? Who knows. The FAQ only says that "users" (and not distributions) are allowed to redistribute the software, and it does not really talk about pre-built binaries. (Fedora relies on a volunteer mirror network, so we can't publish all the source code for the package download service even if we wanted to.) It's true that one person employed by the company said that they do not mean "service" as in "goods in services" in section 13, but we don't know if that reflects a company position, and what the exact distinction between pre-built software and software-as-a-service is. Things like OpenShift Operators blurry the line considerably. Thanks, Florian
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'GTA 6' Might Be Shorter Than Earlier Titles, Report Claims
By Julio Cachila
"Grand Theft Auto VI" might be shorter than earlier titles, if the words coming from Take Two Interactive's CEO are to be any indication.
Rockstar Games is known for producing big games that become hits among many players. One of the current hits, "GTA V," continues to be played by many along with its online counterpart "GTA Online." Fans, however, continue to wait for another entry in the popular franchise -- a title everyone calls "GTA VI."
A shorter game
While Rockstar takes its time to develop big games like "GTA," it's possible that the next installment to the "GTA" franchise might be shorter compared to its predecessors, ComicBook claimed. This claim is based on the words of Strauss Zelnick, CEO of Rockstar Games owner Take Two Interactive.
Zelnick was present at the recent E3 where he was interviewed by GamesIndustry. There, he gave some of his opinions on the current gaming scene, and one of the things that he mentioned is the likelihood of staggered updates making main games shorter and thus, released quicker than before.
"It's possible that games may be a bit shorter than they were in certain instances," Zelnick told GamesIndustry. "It's possible that the ability to deliver content on an ongoing basis for a long time after an initial release of a hit would mean that perhaps that initial release wouldn't be as long in terms of number of hours of gameplay as previously had been demanded in a world where that was all you were getting."
Zelnick said he noticed the gap between big titles and their sequel, as is the case of "GTA V" and "Red Dead Redemption." "RDR" was followed by "Red Dead Redemption 2" eight years after the first title was launched. "GTA V," on the other hand, was launched six years ago, but still doesn't have an announced sequel to follow its success.
Zelnick said he believes that this trend of wide gaps between titles will be gone soon.He even said that the years between releases might be shortened. He said that by engaging with consumers on an ongoing basis (via updates), the company has had less pressure releasing an all-new title.
Now, it's still unknown if and when Rockstar or Take Two will announce "GTA VI." If Zelnick's words are to be an indication, it won't be long. He said "eight years is probably too long" when it came to resting titles. Only time will tell if this means a new "GTA" is coming soon.
"GTA V" players will soon see the addition of Thanos into the game. Photo: Rockstar Games/Steam
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About Kutani Ware, History and Characteristics
Much like unique art forms of the world, Kutani Ware is colorful pottery hailing from Japan. The original name is Kutani-Yaki and there is nothing else much like it. Kutani ware is made in the southern cities of Ishikawa Prefecture like Nomi, Komatsu, Kaga and Kanazawa.
The beautiful and bold colors have attracted fans from across the world along with opportunities for export. Ever since these unique pieces were spotted and exported around the world, it gained popularity. Ranging from mugs, pots, tea sets, bowls, serving dishes and spoons, Kutani ware is perfect for gifts and for serving special dinner on special occasions.
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The Origin of Kutani Ware
The story of Kutani-yaki goes as far back as the 17th century. Maeda Toshiharu, the first Lord of the Daishoji Domain instructed his retainer Goto Saijiro to seek the education of pottery in Hizen-arita. This happened soon after the magnetite technique was discovered in Kaneyama, Kutani.
Today, Kutani is Sannaka cho in Ishikawa Prefecture where the retainer adopted the ancient techniques. Then, he built a kiln in Kutani which is popularly known as the beginning of Kutani-yaki. The bold use of colors, birds and animals in unique patterns painted on pottery id what makes Kutani ware what it is today.
Characteristics of Kutani Ware
The beauty of these porcelain pottery is what makes it one-of-a-kind dinner ware and enthusiasts from around the world go to lengths to collect these pieces. The following characteristics are unique to Kutani kiln:
The Mokubei style which is inspired by the Chinese ink painting techniques.
Yoshidaya style has prominent colors of purple, green, yellow and dark blue. These colors are used as the basis of further patterns.
The Eiraku style is an extension of the Yoshidaya style where the base colors are enhanced with coatings of gold over the first coat of red color. The end result is a beautiful combination of Kutani ware that is eye-catching.
The Lidaya style is also known as the Hachirode is a break from the traditional theme of nature of the Kutani style. This style instead focuses on the paintings of human figures that form on dinner ware like a beautiful story.
The Shoza style is a beautiful blend of all the four techniques of the Kutani styles.
Usually, the artists picks up a plain white ceramic piece and will start with a pattern of komon. The outlines are painted individually by using zaffre that includes cobalt oxide as an ingredient. The piece is kept in the kiln for heat that allows the zaffre to turn dark in color. This technique alone in the kiln takes up to seven hours.
The surface is then painted again with thicker strokes to create the intended the patterns. Each stroke and pattern determines the colors and the final design of the ceramic piece. The end result is much like a three-dimensional painting which makes it a unique design.
Every piece, be a teacup, a spoon, a bowl or a saucer is hand-painted and every stroke is done so by professional artisans. Once the patterns and designs are completed, the vessel is kept in the kiln again to be heated at about 800 Celsius. The chemical reaction that takes place due to the high heat converts the pigment into the translucent colors intended by the artist. Electrically heated kilns are used today in order to minimize the margin of error.
Popular Kutani Kiln
The first location of the Kutani kiln have now been turned into archaeological sites. These were claimed by the National Historic Site of Japan back in 1979. In 1955, an excavation survey was conducted by the Ishikawa Prefecture Board of Education. This excavation discovered two continuous-cell step kilns on the right side of Diashoji River.
The first kiln included a combustion chamber and another series of burning chambers which were thirteen in total. These extended up to a hillside which was 33.4 meters in length. The height of the combustion chamber was as high as 10.75 meters. Each of the firing chamber consisted of a sand bed along the length of bricked wall.
The second kiln is located fifteen meters south and has a total length of 13.02 meters. However, the second kiln which was discovered is smaller than the first one, it has been well preserved. This site also contains another Yoshiyada style kiln that has a length of 16 meters. This third kiln dates back to the Edo period. Additionally, the sites also have remains of a workshop for the mixing of pigments and purification of clay materials.
Taking Care of Each Kutani Piece
Since each Kutani piece is hand painted and crafted, there is a certain way of using them and looking after them. Follow the given instruction to make sure that each piece stays the way it was created for a long time.
Since the clay has an absorbent nature, the texture takes in watery foods like oil and sauces from the food being served. After sometime, the Kutani ware can have a consistent smell of the food coming off each piece. In order to avoid this problem, it is advised to glaze each piece before using it for the first time.
The glazing technique at home is easy. Simply boil the pot with rice water or water with flour or potato starch dissolved in it. This helps in filling the gaps between the clay that locks in odor and food chemicals. This creates a layer, which prevents the glaze from coming off. The process can be completed in the following steps:
Take a large pot and fill it with starch water up to the brim. Add the Kutani tableware and make sure it submerges completely.
Boil the water over low heat for about 20 minutes. Make sure that large bubbles do not form and the heat is constant.
Turn off the heat after 20 minutes and allow everything to cool down – do not remove the tableware from the large pot.
Wash the tableware properly.
Dry each piece with a clean towel.
Another trick of serving the food in Kutani ware is to dip each serving plate in warm water before serving hot food. Similarly, dip the dish in cold water before serving cold food. This makes the food taste better prevents the odor and stains from the food from absorbing into the tableware.
Caring for Every Piece
Although every Kutani ware is dishwasher safe, it is recommended to hand wash everything. Using a mild detergent with a soft sponge is enough to clean every piece. Vigorously scrubbing or washing a Kutani dish can dull the shine and colors of intricate design and patterns. The golden and silver patterns on the dish tends to be delicate and can worn off with time.
Make sure that every piece is thoroughly dried before storing them in a cupboard. If it is stored wet, a moldy odor can occur. Since each piece is crafted with clay, it need to be dried before storing it neatly inside.
Every Kutani ware piece is microwave safe, however, pieces that have golden or silver color should not be used in the microwave. The electric heat from the microwave causes a reaction that results in sparks flying and the gold and silver coating is damaged.
Setting a Kutani Ware Table
It takes an artist itself to recognize art and Kutani ware is nothing less than an art form. A dinner table that is decorated with Kutani pieces is an experience in its own. Eating food with loved ones and family is a moment to be cherished and remembered for a long time. However, if handmade cutlery is present on the table, it adds value and tradition.
Family traditions and reunions can be made memorable with the use of such art form during simple events like dinners. The impact of Kutani ware on the minds of the user is something that leaves a mark forever embossed in the mind and the heart. Experience food with feelings and emotions by using the Kutani ware.
Kutani Ware Typical Color Style and Designs
Kokutani Style - Old Kutani Style -
Reflecting the vestiges of the warring states in the early days of the Tokugawa Shogunate, it is characterized by its bold and powerful painting and the heavy, masculine colors. Painted in bold compositions using overglaze enamels, blue, yellow, and purple, many of the designs are of flowers, plants, and landscapes. After the introduction of Ming Dynasty techniques, the Kaga clan was forced by the Shogunate to demolish its kilns in response to smuggling, and the industry was suspended for about 100 years.
Mokubei Style
Yoshidaya Style
The style originated from the Kutani-yaki kiln opened by Yoshida-ya, a wealthy merchant of the Daishoji clan. Reflecting the Bunka-Bunsei period of the Tokugawa Taihei era, it is characterized by a soft style of painting. It strongly inherits the flow of the old Kutani style, in which flowers and birds, landscapes, small patterns, and flowers are painted using the three colors of blue, yellow, and purple.
Iidaya Style
Influenced by Chinese studies, the book vividly depicts the customs and manners of China, such as the "Seven Sages of the Bamboo Grove. The fine red lines of this detailed painting are gilded in many places to create a sense of elegance.
Eiraku Style
A technique influenced by Eiraku Wazen in Kyoto. A gorgeous technique in which the entire vessel is painted with red color over gold, and patterns are drawn on top of the gold. Flowers, birds, animals, and insects are drawn in a single stroke.
Syouza Style
This is the style of the Meiji era, when Western culture was introduced and the style became a blend of Japanese and Western styles. The "colored gold brocade" style copied this atmosphere, featuring delicate and gorgeous flowers, birds, figures, and landscapes. It incorporates all the techniques of the post-Kotani style, and became very popular after the Meiji period.
Aochibu Style
A coloring method popularized in the Taisho era (1912-1926), in which fine green dots called "blue grains" are laid out on top of the ground color.
It is an elaborate technique that requires uniformity in the size and spacing of the grains. In addition to blue grains, there are also white and gold grains. It has a sense of calmness and dignity.
Morietsuke Style
Around 1924, Nishi-Taikichi introduced the method of Mori-e painting. This technique is often seen on figurines such as lions and beckoning cats. It is characterized by the three-dimensional patterns that are raised by using specialized paints.
Saiyuu Style
A technique in which the entire vessel is painted and filled with a five-color glaze of red, green, yellow, purple, and blue, used like a glaze. By applying two or more glazes in layers, one can enjoy the gradual change of colors and create a graceful and vivid pattern.
Yuurikinsai Style
A pattern in which gold powder or gold leaf cut into various shapes is applied and fired with transparent glaze over it, in contrast to ordinary gilding in which gold is pasted over the glaze. Since the gold floats through the glaze, the tone of the painting is soft and has a moist and elegant shine.
Ginsai Style
This is a technique in which silver leaf is applied and then transparent or five-color glaze is applied and fired. It is characterized by the fact that the silver leaf does not peel off and does not rust. The tone of the painting is soft, and elegant expression is possible.
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Possuem esse nome pois depositam suas larvas sobre certos queijos, sendo que a este fato se costuma atribuir casos de miíase humana, haja vista as larvas podem sobreviver no intestino.

Um estranho exemplo de uso culinário desse tipo de mosca é a presença de suas larvas no processo de maturação do casu marzu, um queijo sardo.

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From the August 2021 Issue Subscribe
In Mobile City, Everybody Knows Your Name
Mobile City was incorporated in the early nineties to facilitate alcohol sales in a dry county. Now residents—especially its devoted mayor—fear for the fate of their accidental utopia.
By Sarah Hepola
Looking north on Rose Lane, in Mobile City, on June 26, 2021. Photograph by Andrés Duran
You'll know you're close to Mobile City when you see the Interstate 30 exit for Fate. A small city in north-central Texas, Fate is a sprawling metropolis compared with its neighbor, whose 187 citizens in a total area of 0.0135 miles give it one of the highest population densities in the state. The turnoff for Mobile City is a gravel road whose dusty mouth appears just beyond the fireworks depot. If you pass the liquor store, you've gone too far.
When you arrive, you'll find sixty mobile homes lining three lanes: Ivey, Lilac, and Rose. The residences are long and narrow and are arranged at an angle, like cars slotted into parking spaces. Although this is a city like no other, the homes are accessorized much like those anywhere else, with flowerpots, wind chimes, grills. Trucks idle along the curb on Ivey.
This is where, on a muggy day in early June, I meet Kenny Phillips. A 65-year-old with a silver ponytail and a boyish grin, Phillips greets me from the front porch of his mobile home, which also happens to be city hall.
Once upon a time, Phillips was the private chef for Alex Rodriguez, in the years when the baseball player was the highest-paid athlete in the nation. When A-Rod left the Rangers for the Yankees, in 2004, Phillips went with him. He cooked for a pre-presidential Donald Trump; he made Coke floats for Warren Buffett. Phillips had a place in Manhattan, a big old spread in the affluent Dallas suburb of Rockwall for the off-season, and a six-figure income. But when A-Rod got divorced, in 2008, he parted ways with the staff his wife had assembled, and Phillips found himself adrift.
He'd built sets for theatrical productions in London in his early twenties, and he knew how to run the kitchen of a five-star restaurant. Phillips was nothing if not versatile, but his cooking years were winding down. He was only in his fifties, but he had back pain despite several surgeries, and he wanted an early retirement. That's when he got to thinking about Mobile City.
Kenny Phillips at his mobile home, which also serves as city hall.Photograph by Andrés Duran
Mobile City was founded in 1990, when Paul Easley and his wife, Billie, then owners of the mobile home park, devised a plan to bring booze to a very dry Rockwall County. Back in those days, a thirsty customer had to drive 25 miles to Dallas for a six-pack of Bud. So the couple incorporated the park, allowing them to legalize and tax alcohol sales. Soon Dallas-based liquor chain Sigel's Beverages arose in an adjacent lot, transforming life for the humble citizens of Mobile City. They now found themselves in a rather unlikely civic experiment as the only city in Rockwall County (until 2007) to allow retail alcohol sales.
A liquor store, a trailer park—the appeal may not be obvious to some folks, but Phillips liked the freedom and simplicity Mobile City offered after his time among the stars. In 2012, a few years after the Great Recession downshifted many an American dream, Phillips took a tour of the city with leasing agent Dana Lawson, who (owing to the curious customs of a curious place) was also then the mayor.
"What kind of people live out here?" Phillips asked, casting around for a seedy side—he had a wife and two grown sons, as well as a granddaughter he was helping to raise. But the community Lawson described sounded like a utopia. Most residents were members of tight-knit families, quiet and hardworking. They spoke mostly Spanish and Phillips did not, but he figured he'd find ways to communicate. The rent in Mobile City was $650 a month.
He and his wife moved into a three-bedroom mobile home that was sixteen feet wide and forty feet long. Though cramped by McMansion standards, it was a castle next to his first apartment near Times Square, which had reminded Phillips of a closet. The mobile home was laid out in a straight line, like a shotgun house, with a living room, an office, a second bedroom at the end of the hall, and a primary bedroom big enough to fit a king-size bed. He built a porch, where he could kick back on patio furniture while the roar of the nearby highway rose and fell like surf crashing on sand. An old railway ran along the back of the trailer park, and a train passed four times a week, whooshing by loudly enough to vibrate the walls. But Phillips didn't find the noise that different from the noise in Manhattan.
Life in Mobile City isn't for everyone. Phillips's wife, for instance, wasn't enthused about downsizing, and the couple soon divorced. (It had been coming for a while, Phillips says.) But life in Mobile City was very much for Phillips. Warm neighbors, almost no crime. In the summer, you could hear the kids playing outside. The area was part of the district where his granddaughter went to school. He joined two other people serving on the (very casual) city council. And when Dana Lawson decided to retire, at the end of 2018, she came to Phillips with a plan.
"You're going to be mayor," she said.
"I don't think that's how it works," he said, but things operated a little off-kilter in Mobile City. Lawson had not been elected mayor; she was simply appointed (by the former owner of the mobile home park, after the previous mayor passed away), just as she was appointing Phillips. He did take over from Lawson, in January 2019, but he still held an election that May. He ran unopposed.
Sitting on his front porch, with his shaggy gray hair and a beard he'll shave off once the heat gets to be too much, Phillips looks more like an aging rocker than a small-town mayor. He leans back from a wrought iron table cluttered with cat food, a portable speaker, two old-timey smoking pipes, and a Bic lighter. When his cellphone rings, I hear the sound of the seventies. "Todd Rundgren," he explains, before turning off the phone.
He leads me inside his home, where city council meetings take place in his breakfast nook, between the bookcase and the refrigerator. An American flag stands in the corner, and framed certificates hang on the wall. When Phillips became mayor, he decided to make some changes. He's since passed more ordinances in two and a half years than were passed in all thirty years of the city's history. One ordinance set the speed limit at 15 miles an hour. Another outlawed fireworks in the city after customers of a nearby fireworks depot kept lighting them in the parking lot—the depot is not inside Mobile City, but its parking lot is—and sparks would fall onto the homes. He put the kibosh on the tradition of mayors acting as leasing agents, which he felt was a conflict of interest.
It's not easy to teach yourself to govern a city. There are not a lot of YouTube tutorials or online master classes, although Phillips took courses with the Texas Municipal League and bought the closest thing on the market to Mayoring for Dummies, a thin brown workbook called the Handbook for Mayors and Councilmembers. But much of what he learned came from hanging out with leaders like Mayor Jim Pruitt and County Judge David Sweet, of Rockwall, and Janet Nichol, a Royse City commissioner who was the mayor of that town for many years.
When he looked over the records, Phillips was startled by the slapdash management. He noticed that some weeks Mobile City had insufficient funds for operations; he was pretty sure cities were supposed to have budgets to keep that from happening. If Phillips was going to be mayor, he was going to do it right. He recruited two women, both single mothers, to serve on the city council, which meets in his trailer the first Tuesday of every month. Each session begins with the Pledge of Allegiance.
The exterior of Sigel's Beverages on June 26, 2021.Photograph by Andrés Duran
Phillips gives me a tour of Mobile City businesses, which does not take long. Sigel's (which was sold to Austin-based Twin Liquors in 2018) still does a brisk business, selling wholesale to Rockwall restaurants and retail to regulars from the surrounding areas. In March, Houston-based Spec's moved in not too far down I-30, but a Sigel's employee tells me the competition hasn't noticeably slowed the flow of Tito's and Jack Daniel's and Jim Beam from the store. Next to Sigel's is the city's other business, a popular market called La Victoria Carnicería, which opened about ten years ago and sells meat and produce and canned goods, along with some of the best street tacos around.
We enter La Victoria, passing stacks of fresh tortillas and a display case of Mexican pastries, and head for the lunch counter in back. As I devour a top-notch barbacoa taco, oily red sauce spilling down my fingers, Phillips tells me about a cloud currently hanging over Mobile City. It arrived in 2019, shortly after Phillips took office, when the mobile home park was sold to Dallas-based property management firm Buena Vista Estates.
The company's arrival shook up the hamlet. (Buena Vista Estates declined requests for an interview. The company's legal representation did not respond to a request in time for publication.) Water and sewage had always been included in rent, for instance, but sub-meters appeared on each home, and residents struggled to cover the extra cost each month. There were also new fees. One woman said she was fined $150 for feeding stray cats. A man said he came home to find a note slapped on his door: "Effective immediately Buena Vista will no longer supply gas for the community mower . . . This will not be used as an excuse for not keeping your yards mowed." Phillips said another resident was fined $50 a day for storing a rug on her porch. Not long after Buena Vista took over, residents gathered in the park to discuss the situation. Afterward, there was a city council meeting in which twenty citizens crowded into Phillips's mobile home. Most such meetings last thirty minutes, but that one took more than two hours. By the end of 2019, nearly twenty of the sixty mobile homes had been vacated.
"This was a pleasant place when it was under a different management," says James Otis Jr., a 47-year-old single father and master electrician. He's raised four daughters, including one who is training to be an Olympic gymnast. "This community, we all get along, and the mayor, he's a great guy. That's all I can say. When we have issues, he'll tackle it. There's nothing that will stop him."
A mobile home on Rose Lane, in Mobile City. Photograph by Andrés Duran
A set of mailboxes on Ivey Lane, in Mobile City. Photograph by Andrés Duran
"People feel stuck," says one longtime resident, who asked not to be named. She moved to Mobile City because it was safe and affordable. But her monthly payments, for rent plus added fees and fines, have nearly doubled. She explains that many residents, especially those who are undocumented, are reluctant to contest changes.
Buena Vista Estates has filed a lawsuit alleging that Phillips used falsehoods to instigate the mass exit in 2019, a legal mess still unresolved. Phillips denies sharing any falsehoods and says he doesn't see himself as an instigator; he just wants Mobile City to be a place where anyone can raise their family.
"I've never seen an individual care as much as he does," says Brittany Berry, one of the two city council members. Thirty-year-old Berry describes herself as "the attitude" on the council, since, she says, Phillips is a sweet person who dislikes confrontation. When Phillips approached her, he warned her that it was a volunteer position. Sign me up, she said. She marvels at all the mayor has accomplished during his tenure.
Phillips built a half-court where the teenagers could play basketball. He handed out fire extinguishers to all the residents. He established a community garden where anyone could pick vegetables for free (management has since removed the garden). Now citizens get free meals on Thanksgiving and Christmas, and when I meet him, he's gearing up for an ambitious Sunday gathering in the park with his church, Rockwall Presbyterian. One parishioner is cooking six hundred tamales, and Phillips is making the street corn, pico de gallo, and beans—he bought the ingredients from La Victoria, naturally.
It's been raining in North Texas for days and days, but the skies part on June 6 for the big Sunday bash. Two pastors stand at a microphone near a bounce house rented for the occasion, and kids squeal as Marq Toombs gives the sermon in Spanish, Zach Pummill in English. About 130 attendees, 100 from the Rockwall church and 30 from Mobile City—a successful turnout, by Phillips's measure—sit in folding chairs under the shade of a cottonwood tree shedding little puffs of white that occasionally float across the horizon.
The sermon is about fellowship. "Who is someone you would die for?" asks Pummill. I am distressed to find no names come to mind. My parents and older brother would kill me if I sacrificed my life for theirs. I am thoroughly twenty-first century in the way I've remained unattached into my forties: no husband, no kids. I've lived for stints in Ecuador and Austin and New York City, but what holds true about all these places is that I've rarely known my neighbors. Kids shift in their parents' laps, and audience members fan themselves with programs as I stare at the soggy, clover-covered ground, thinking of the ways I have avoided the very attachments that might root me. My eyes mist up at such a simple display of community.
After the sermon, we line up for the feast. The bounty accumulates, tricky to balance on my plate: a pork tamale, a bean-and-cheese tamale, rice and beans, a brownie, a square of key lime pie. I sit with Berry. With her cool oversized sunglasses and an intricate tattoo of a girl on a swing decorating each thigh, she doesn't look like a civil servant.
The city limit sign at the intersection of I-30 and Ivey Lane.Photograph by Andrés Duran
Berry grew up outside Los Angeles, but her parents moved to Rockwall when she was a teen, and she came to Mobile City five years ago after a friend, also a single mom, recommended it. This place was like Pleasantville, she says—at least before the new management took over. One of her neighbors mows her lawn, out of the goodness of his heart. Another neighbor brings her pupusas each week.
By 8 p.m., teens have crashed the bounce house, and little ones squeal as they get knocked around the inflatable walls: time to go home. Phillips is tired but beaming. Someone asks if they're gonna start doing this every week. Phillips laughs. Maybe! At least, they might do this more often.
Phillips wonders all the time, how do you bring people together? How do you keep them connected and safe? His brain is always trying to solve the riddle of what folks need. A light, an appliance, help with an air conditioner. He often worries about what will happen if a tornado hits. His dream is to build a shelter on-site so that if some twister leaves nothing but debris and toothpicks, those who call Mobile City home will be protected.
A tornado came close in 2019. Phillips watched the sky from his porch. This was against protocol; he was supposed to seek shelter in the emergency facilities in Rockwall, but he couldn't bring himself to leave.
Phillips knows that if fate comes for Mobile City, he wants to be the person calling out for everybody. Where's Jesús? Where's Johnny? Where's Rebecca? He wants his people to know they matter, that someone is looking out for them.
Sarah Hepola lives in Dallas. She is the author of Blackout: Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget.
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