Once again we had to have a real Christmas tree.
You know, the kind that dries out even though you cut the trunk fresh and fill it up with water?
and have to keep filling it with water?
and even though you keep filling it up with water, a whole bunch of needles fall off every time you walk by and happen to catch a branch?
The reason we keep getting a big real tree is because our daughter always wants big real trees.
She practically begs. I didn't give in to the huge 12 ft tree, but she wore me down and we ended up with a 9 foot tree.
The very tippy top is over 9 feet tall.
Mr. Fanatic put on the lights and our youngest daughter put on a few ornaments.
Then, they left the rest for me.
A couple of years ago, after seeing how fast a real tree burns, I purchased a manageable 7 ft, pre-lit tree thinking I could get away with it.
Pre-lit trees are so awesome.
Of course, you still have to add a few ornaments.
Mr. Fanatic decorated this tree all by himself, with the exception of the burlap ribbon.
I asked him to add the horse ornaments, purchased many years ago, but aren't quite vintage....yet.
Did I say how much I love a pre-lit tree?
Would be very happy to have this be our main tree.
So, do you have a faux Christmas tree or a real tree? Would love to know what you think!
I love the Angel and irregular shape of a real tree. But. I have two faux trees. The handle heavier ornaments better. Easy up, easy down. No mess. And the cat isn't near as interested in a faux tree.
Beautiful trees! We always do a real tree, and I think because of all the rain we got, this years is the best in a really long time! I have a skinny 9ft pre-lit that we use in our bedroom and I love it as well. Maybe someday when the kids are all grown, we will just use it.
Love your trees Pam! Nothing like the smell of a real one.
I love both kinds of trees but I gravitated to the artificial because of the maintenance and convenience. I live in an area where Christmas tree farms are abundant and we could go get one easily. Maybe I'll try natural again if some Grandkids start to appear!! Your home looks lovely!
Have a Merry Christmas Pam!
Your real tree is truly stunning! The lighting, the ornaments, garland, and the beautiful tree, itself!
Not to minimize the mess & safety issues of a real tree, but I can understand why your daughter doesn't want to sacrifice such a very lovely tradition.


Home Caufield & Shook Collection Aerial view of the Big Four Bridge in Louisville, Kentucky, 1926.
Title Aerial view of the Big Four Bridge in Louisville, Kentucky, 1926.
Description Aerial view of the Big Four Bridge across the Ohio River between Louisville, Kentucky, and Jeffersonville, Indiana. A ferry boat has just passed under the bridge.
Source 3.25 x 4.25 in. b&w glass negative. Item no. ULPA CS 073926 in the Caufield & Shook Collection, University of Louisville Photographic Archives.
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Iron Chef at the White House with Michelle Obama. The task is for the four chefs to cook using ingredients from the White House garden. The garden was beautiful.
Also tonight: New episodes of Desperate Housewives and Brothers and Sisters.
What are you watching tonight? If nothing, feel free to discuss something else.
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KUSC-FM opera program at 9:00 pm (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by oculus on Sun Jan 03, 2010 at 07:44:59 PM EST
PST. Tonight: Janacek.
Now--listening to NPR's On the Media. Did you know O'Railly trained as an actor and was on the Green Hornet radio show? I didn't.
Bill. (none / 0) (#7)
Child actor? (none / 0) (#9)
Transcript avail. Mon. afternoon (none / 0) (#16)
Erratum: opera is Verdi's "Don Carlos" (none / 0) (#19)
by oculus on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 12:57:22 AM EST
Orchestra of the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden / Carlo Maria Giulini
Placido Domingo, tenor
Montserrat Caballe, soprano
Shirley Verrett, mezzo-soprano
Sherrill Milnes, baritone
Ruggero Raimondi, bass
Giovanni Foiani, bass
I mis-heard. The person speaking was (none / 0) (#39)
by oculus on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 04:31:27 PM EST
referring to Mike Wallace. transcript
I do not attribute this error to my (none / 0) (#42)
lousy hrg. I was multi-tasking: walking and listening at the same time; no gum chewing.
P.S. I noticed one of the Fl Gator football players was chewing orange gum during the bowl game. Wonder if that is the required color?
U.S. exports anti-gay hatred to Uganda (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by caseyOR on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 05:31:08 AM EST
According to a story in the NY Times, the supporters of that shocking and horrendous effort in Uganda to make homosexuality a capital offense received advice and assistance from members of the good old American Christian Right.
In the story the Americans who went to Uganda to advise officials there on the evils perpetrated by the queers are now insisting they never meant that the gays should be, you know, killed, not like really executed or anything. Just maybe tormented and jailed and tortured in doomed attempts to convert them to heterosexuality. All for their own good of course.
I was horrified when I first learned of the proposed "kill the queers" law. Now that I know American Christians played a role in this travesty I am disgusted and furious beyond belief.
Read the story at this link.
You better believe I'm watching Iron Chef (none / 0) (#1)
by andgarden on Sun Jan 03, 2010 at 07:36:02 PM EST
Me too! (none / 0) (#2)
by nycstray on Sun Jan 03, 2010 at 07:39:41 PM EST
and then the Jets, then over to Brothers and Sisters and then back to the Jets :P
The "worst cooks" show is just horrible (none / 0) (#12)
because I'm not sure when I'm supposed to laugh at these people. . .
Thanks for the heads up (none / 0) (#17)
I'll give it a check when I have time. It could be a case of concept gone wrong. In general, I think it would be good to have "bad" cooks get helped from pros, but not sure if I would want a laugh factor thrown in or a dumb down.
How 'bout them Jets... (none / 0) (#24)
by kdog on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 08:54:08 AM EST
Talk about utter dominance...wow.
Playoffs are a pleasant New Years surprise...gotta like our chances next week too. Good to get Sanchez's playoff feet wet to build on next year and beyond.
After the Donkey's... (none / 0) (#25)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 09:01:21 AM EST
sh*t the bed yesterday, I was rooting for your Jets. Nice way to close down the Meadowlands.
Really peeved me that I had to root for the Raiders for the Bronco's to have a shot at the play-offs. That's just not right...
At this point, I'm glad they didn't make it. I don't need the heartbreak.
Another wild wacky regular season.... (none / 0) (#26)
Sorry about the Broncs bro...talk about a meltdown. Losing at home to the Chiefs is pretty sad.
I'll be very happy if we get to the Divisional round...that would be an excellent showing for Ryan in his first year. And the way we're running it, and our D...who knows, maybe an AFC Championship Game isn't out of the question.
Yeah... (none / 0) (#27)
...that 6 and 0 start got the expectations a little too high. You can't go very far with a finish like they had--not even winning one divisional game at home. Oh well, I figured they'd be doing well to finish .500 when the season started--rookie coach and running back and a first year QB and all.
Defense and being able to run the ball is what it takes to win in the play-offs--just as long as they don't turn the ball over.
Live and Die... (none / 0) (#29)
with the turnovers...Jets were 8-0 this year when they won the turnover battle, 1-2 when even, 0-5 when behind...that just says it all.
So a rematch with the Bengals. (none / 0) (#31)
And they had 0 passing yards yesterday? I think that's a winnable game.
The Raven/Pats game should be interesting now that Wehl-kar is out. Hard to watch that--and that guy from Miami who got KO'd.
tough break for the Pats...though that Edelman (sp?) kid has shown he can make some plays in the slot. The Ravens are another team built for Jan...Rice and McGahee are a nice 1-2 punch. I think it'll be a good hard fought game.
Ocho Cinco? Hurt knee or hurt pride I wonder? Revis was right...that dude disappeared:)
The play-offs... (none / 0) (#34)
...are a whole 'nother ballgame--especially with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed looking to take your head off if you dare go over the middle.
Hope CST isn't taking it too hard!
Whats up with Beli-Cheat? (none / 0) (#35)
Starters are in, starters are out, starters back in, starters out...the genius looks awful unsure of himself.
Huh. (none / 0) (#36)
Maybe the drawstring on his hoodie was a little too tight around his neck and cut off the circulation to his brain?
Didn't Dreamboat get knocked around pretty good late in that game?
Welker (none / 0) (#43)
by CST on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:37:55 PM EST
is a huge loss. Not just for his own yardage but also Randy Moss. He kills teams that double-cover Randy Moss.
Edelman is good, but he's no Welker.
Honestly though, I think this year was a bit of a rebuilding year. It would be nice to see them do well in the playoffs of course. But I'm encouraged by our pretty good rookie D and next year when they have a bit more experience, and Brady is there all year, and hopefully Welker and Moss are solid, I think we could be really dangerous.
I'd feel a lot better about this year though if Brady stopped throwing so many picks... And if BeliCHECK was more consistent. Still, it's the playoffs, anything can happen.
That a way... (none / 0) (#44)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:42:41 PM EST
...to keep the faith, CST!
You draft some Iowa players and you just might get somewhere...
Must say I was surprised!! (none / 0) (#28)
by nycstray on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 09:54:54 AM EST
They really pulled it together. I thought it was going to be a much tighter game. Gotta love B Smith. He really adds to the team and they use him well. I think this team has a pretty good future if Sanchez develops.
Brad Smith... (none / 0) (#30)
is a beast! A big play machine. Looked like he was back at Mizzou the way he ran over the Bengals.
I'm dying for Schotty to let him throw it one time...unlike some other Wildcat-ers Smith is a pretty good passer.
I thought he had thrown it? (none / 0) (#33)
Perhaps that's in Sat's game plan {grin}
Only once... (none / 0) (#37)
a fake punt...no passes yet on offense...I hope you're right about Saturday cuz its gonna work, I just know it! Especially after last nights long runs...lets just hope the injury he sustained isn't serious enough to keep him out of the game...we need our big play specialist!
Jersey Shore on MTV. (none / 0) (#4)
by ChiTownDenny on Sun Jan 03, 2010 at 07:54:18 PM EST
I can't get enough of the "guido/ette". :)
Football (none / 0) (#5)
by rdandrea on Sun Jan 03, 2010 at 07:59:41 PM EST
I know, boring.
Watched Avatar last night (none / 0) (#10)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 03, 2010 at 09:03:22 PM EST
What a technical achievement.
Did anyone watch it NOT in 3-D? I thought the 3-D work was fantastic. Curious what people who watched it not in 3-D think.
I think it is worth seeing in IMAX.
Doesn't really appeal, but maybe (5.00 / 1) (#11)
I'll shell out for the IMAX at Lincoln Square.
If you have an interest in (none / 0) (#14)
the technical of film making, especially in the CGI Era, it is a must see.
In terms of the technical, it is a revolutionary film.
In terms of story, it is pretty pedestrian.
I can appreciate that (none / 0) (#15)
Jurassic Park was released for my 8th birthday, and I must have seen it three times.
Iron Chef/White House (none / 0) (#18)
by Dadler on Sun Jan 03, 2010 at 11:42:36 PM EST
Call me petty, but i cannot STAND it whenever a first lady refers to her husband as "the president". really, really, really annoys me.
and michelle obama was certainly doing her best june cleaver in that dress.
I didnt (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 07:00:53 AM EST
think June Cleaver. I just thought the outfit looks hideous. She looks like a clown in it.
But (none / 0) (#22)
by jbindc on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 07:01:53 AM EST
she does match Mario's shoes!
Bobby DeLaughter headed to prison (none / 0) (#23)
The prosecutor who secured the conviction in the Medgar Evers murder case is headed to prison for obstruction of justice for lying to the FBI in a corruption case.
Bobby DeLaughter -- the prosecutor who secured the conviction in the infamous Medgar Evers Mississippi murder case -- is himself now headed to prison.
It was DeLaughter's dogged 1994 prosecution and the subsequent conviction of Ku Klax Klan member Byron De La Beckwith that helped trigger the reopening of dozens of civil rights cold cases.
DeLaughter became an instant hero of the civil rights movement. Alec Baldwin portrayed him in the 1996 movie, "Ghosts of Mississippi," and his closing statement was once dubbed one of the greatest closing arguments in modern law.
"Is it ever too late to do the right thing?" DeLaughter told the jury of eight blacks and four whites. "For the sake of justice and the hope of us as a civilized society, I sincerely hope and pray that it's not."
DeLaughter would go on to become a state judge in 2002. His years in the robe came to an end in 2009, when DeLaughter pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice for lying to an FBI agent in a far-reaching corruption probe that has rocked Mississippi's judicial system.
PBS (none / 0) (#38)
by Sweet Sue on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 12:22:40 PM EST
The second and last episode of "Cranford" with the brilliant Judi Dench.

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What makes brake plumbing such a headache? We strongly believe it's the quality of the tools. Most brake tools are just junk, and junk tools create junk results. It's just that simple.
We've successfully bent up hundreds of brake lines over the years. Our main secret? We don't use bending tools. Instead, we've invested those funds in a high-quality flaring tool. To learn the rest of our secrets, just follow along as we make a brake line for one of our project cars.
When we're tackling a big job, we buy our brake line in bulk coils of 25 or 50 feet. We often choose stainless steel for these projects instead of the plated mild steel that's available in the straight sections. Not all stainless lines are created equal, so we've settled on Classic Tube as our go-to source. Their lines are annealed for easier bending.
Here's another big secret: Always work from a pattern. If we have an old line to copy, that's the easy button. If we don't, we make our own pattern, usually out of 1/16-inch welding rod.
For this replacement, we started with a 60-inch line sourced from our local NAPA store. Using the old line as a reference, we made our initial bends by hand, working from one end to the other.
This photo reveals two more tricks. Secret 3: Instead of using a tool, we simply bend the tube around a found object that happens to have the right radius. Secret 4 solves what we believe is the biggest brake plumbing issue for most people: As we move along the line to make new bends, we tape it to the old line. This keeps it from twisting and losing its 3D reference.
Moving down the line, we continue to use found objects as bending tools. In this case, it's a cast-off piece of 3-inch-diameter tubing.
Secret 5: Whenever we just can't perfectly duplicate a bend, we stray from the pattern a bit. For example, this tight radius just wouldn't bend nicely, so we made it larger. Note that we still brought the line back into the correct position before the next bend. How did we know we couldn't achieve that tight radius? Secret 6: We tried it on a test piece first. Practice and mock-ups make perfect.
Our new line is officially bent. Now the straight part just needs a fitting and a flare.
Before we pick up our flaring tool, we remember to install the fitting, using some tape to secure it. We won't mention how many times we've flared a line and then realized we didn't have the fitting in place. So maybe this qualifies as Secret 7: Don't forget the fitting first.
Our flaring tool of choice is Classic Tube's Universal Hydraulic Flaring Tool Kit. We start the process by using the 3/16-inch holding fixture to clamp our line.
The fixtures will move a bit, so it's important to accurately line them up. That's Secret 8: Be very fussy and compulsive with your flaring tool. This is especially important if you can't afford a high-quality tool. Cheap tools will work okay if you're finicky (and don't mind redoing things a few times).
Once the fixtures are lined up, we clamp them in place.
We insert the first die into the tool. This die flares the inside of the line.
The hydraulic pump presses the die on the line.
We insert the second die and again pump the tool. This die adds the final shape to the flare.
The result is a perfect flare that won't leak.
And the finished line is ready to go in the car.
We've tried and tested a pile of bending, cutting and flaring gadgets over the years–and we've retired almost all of them. Let's separate the useful tools from the junk.
Most bending tools feature a grooved radius, a clamping bar and a moveable bending arm. The main issue: Each tool can bend line to a single radius, meaning multiple benders are needed for bends of different sizes. Plus, in our experience, the low-end tools tend to break quickly. That's why we usually bend our line around found objects that happen to have the correct radius.
Another style of bending tool uses a spring: The line fits inside, allowing the tool to work like an external mandrel that keeps the line from collapsing. These benders tend to be even less useful than the grooved radius variety, but every now and then one will bail us out.
Our favorite bending tools are found objects with useful radii. In this case, our radius die is just three tubing cutoffs. We've also used steel bars, hammer heads, fire extinguishers and welding tanks.
The larger tool is our tubing cutter of choice, while the little one works best for tight spots. Some people advise against tubing cutters because they can work-harden the end of the line and make it more likely to crack when flared. Instead, they advise using an abrasive cutoff wheel. We've tried it both ways and have stuck with the cutters.
You're going to need to put an end on your new lines, and having the right setup is essential. For regular brake likes, you need a double flaring tool that makes 45-degree flares. (If you're working with AN fittings, you need a single flaring tool that makes 37-degree flares.) These 45-degree tools range from cheap to decent to excellent. The cheap ones can be found for as little as $10 and are hard to use successfully. Common issues are slipping lines, uneven flares and self-destruction.
Here's a decent toolset made by Ridgid, available for about $100. In our two-plus decades of using it, it's made only the occasional bad flare–usually because we were going too fast and not being fussy.
We recently stepped up to this Universal Hydraulic Flaring Tool Kit from Classic Tube. At about $400, it's an investment, but in addition to high-quality brake flares, it can make barbed flares for fuel lines plus metric bubble and even O-ring flares. This tool can also flare a line in position; most others require removing the line from the car and placing it in a vise. Copies of this tool kit are available for a bit less, but we chose to get ours from Classic Tube because they're a trusted supporter of the car hobby.
We also recently upgraded to this bonus tool: a tubing straightener from, yes. Classic Tube. It's another investment at $189, but it makes quick work of straightening tubing coils and delivers very professional results. No more slowly straightening lines with our thumbs.
I know good tools are useful and last a while but; what would you suggest in lieu of the really nice looking $450 dollar hydraulic flaring tool I'm only likely to use for 3 or 4 jobs?
Carl's recommendation is listed in the article. Item f.
Woops. Read the main body, went back to look up the tool, got sticker shocked, and didn't scroll down.
And I highly recommend the Ridgid one over the ones that look like the one in the picture below.
It seems like these are available in many places for $15-75 and they have a lot of minor differences that make them much less effective.
I have the big Eastwood flare tool and love it.
That said, it ain't cheap. I got tired of dealing with leaking flares - tool budget doesn't count against the project, right?
What is the fail on the harbor freight version? Can it be tweaked to work right?
IMO, if you're reading GRM and are the kind of person who makes brake lines, you'll end up making the other lines that the mastercool set can do. the quality and finish of your flares for critical applications is well worth the price. I've used all but the RIGID versions shown. (no relation to mastercool/ COI). in retrospect, I waited too long to buy mine (about 15 years ago).
There's definitely an argument to be made for just ponying up for the nice tool. My primary one is that I'm going to need to totally redo the lines on the RX-3 since they've been open for 30 years. I guess the question becomes is it 250 dollars better than the Eastwood 25304?
I'm certain the Mastercool tool is considerably easier to use than the Rigid tool (that style is irritating on a good day and GRM stated as such), but how much better is it than the intermediate step?
The disadvantage to the Eastwood is that it's vise-mounted, so you really can't use it on a line that's still installed on the car. Other than that, my experience has been that it's as easy to use as the Mastercool and produces results of similar quality.


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Home Tech Snapdragon 8 Gen1 battle between Xiaomi and Motorola!
Snapdragon 8 Gen1 battle between Xiaomi and Motorola!
Ties have been tense between Xiaomi and Motorola due to the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen1 processor. Here are the details…
Undoubtedly, processors play a big role in making smartphones so capable today. Mobile processors, whose more capable models are offered to users day by day, can also cause prestige wars between companies in some cases.
A recent example of this has happened recently. Xiaomi and Motorola are in a race to become the first company to use the Snapdragon 8 Gen1 flagship processor recently released by Qualcomm.
Tensions stretched between Xiaomi and Motorola due to Snapdragon 8 Gen1
As it is known, both companies will present their new smartphones to the users with the launch they will organize in the near future. Motorola will introduce the Edge X30 series on December 9, and Xiaomi will introduce the Xiaomi 12 series on December 12. Snapdragon 8 Gen1 processor is expected to be used in both series.
Before Motorola's launch date was finalized, it was thought that Xiaomi would be the first company in the industry to use the new processor. However, things changed completely when it was announced that the company would introduce the Edge X30 series powered by Snapdragon 8 Gen1 on December 9th.
As this was the case, the ropes were tense between both companies. Xiaomi CEO Lei Jun shared a long article addressing his customers on the Chinese microblogging site Weibo this morning. In the post, it was stated that they aim to show what Xiaomi 12 can do with Snapdragon 8 Gen1 at the launch on December 12, and therefore the reason behind the early arrangement of the event (it was moved from December 16 to 12) was not just to make a presentation.
At this point, the use of early and presentation phrases in the post by Lei Jun was interpreted as a small reference to Motorola. Motorola must have thought similarly, and felt the need to make a statement right after the post.
A Weibo share came from Chen Jin, General Manager of Motorola's umbrella company Lenovo. Jin announced that the launch on December 9 for the Edge X30 series powered by the Snapdragon 8 Gen1 processor will not be for presentation purposes, but will meet with users in China on December 15 after showing all of its capabilities.
So what do you think about this subject? Is Motorola's competition with Xiaomi a positive or negative move for a company that aims to return to its old days? Do not forget to share your views with us in the comments section.
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Georgia mayor's controversial rant about 'privilege' forces city council to respond
Leaders in Bloomingdale, Georgia are speaking up after a controversial post by the mayor in a neighborhood Facebook group.
Graham Cawthon
Leaders in Bloomingdale, Georgia, are speaking up after a controversial post by the mayor in a neighborhood Facebook group.In a post that was later deleted, Mayor Ben Rozier wrote in the "Gossip Bloomingdale GA" Facebook group Tuesday night, taking issue with those who don't work and live off government assistance at the expense of taxpayers.Throughout the post, he frequently uses the term "privilege" to describe those people, appearing to be a response to the term "white privilege:" Privilege is wearing $200 sneakers when you've never had a job.Privilege is wearing $300 Beats headphones while living on public assistance...Privilege is having as many children as you want, regardless of your employment status, and be able to send them off to daycare or school you don't pay for...paid for by the people who DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH RISING TAXES AND COSTS! ... you know, us so called 'PRIVILEGED' the ones who pay while you TAKE TAKE TAKE!Though the post was deleted, it has led to continued discussion in the group.Related video: Student's video posted on social media, 'racist, vulgar' school superintendent saysOn Wednesday, the Bloomingdale City Council issued a statement to sister-station WJCL-TV that included the following:"The Bloomingdale City Council and Administration is aware of the Facebook post made by Mayor Ben Rozier on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 and its reaction by the general public."The Bloomingdale City Council wishes to state collectively that this action taken by Mayor Rozier is his action and his action alone. We in no way condone or endorse any single or collective posts made by the Mayor."
Leaders in Bloomingdale, Georgia, are speaking up after a controversial post by the mayor in a neighborhood Facebook group.
In a post that was later deleted, Mayor Ben Rozier wrote in the "Gossip Bloomingdale GA" Facebook group Tuesday night, taking issue with those who don't work and live off government assistance at the expense of taxpayers.
Throughout the post, he frequently uses the term "privilege" to describe those people, appearing to be a response to the term "white privilege:"
Privilege is wearing $200 sneakers when you've never had a job.
Privilege is wearing $300 Beats headphones while living on public assistance...
Privilege is having as many children as you want, regardless of your employment status, and be able to send them off to daycare or school you don't pay for...paid for by the people who DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH RISING TAXES AND COSTS! ... you know, us so called 'PRIVILEGED' the ones who pay while you TAKE TAKE TAKE!
Though the post was deleted, it has led to continued discussion in the group.
Related video: Student's video posted on social media, 'racist, vulgar' school superintendent says
New Jersey mayor faces backlash for telling protesters he's 'pro-black for all the good black people' he knows
On Wednesday, the Bloomingdale City Council issued a statement to sister-station WJCL-TV that included the following:
"The Bloomingdale City Council and Administration is aware of the Facebook post made by Mayor Ben Rozier on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 and its reaction by the general public.
"The Bloomingdale City Council wishes to state collectively that this action taken by Mayor Rozier is his action and his action alone. We in no way condone or endorse any single or collective posts made by the Mayor."


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Harvey Spencer Lewis (9.7.12) (November 25, 1883 – August 2, 1939) Rosicrucian author, occultist, and mystic, founder in the USA and the first Imperator of the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis (AMORC), from 1915 until 1939.
Lewis Spence (9.3.2, PlutoInstr.) (25 November 1874 – 3 March 1955) Scottish journalist, poet, author, folklorist and occult scholar, Fellow of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, and Vice-President of the Scottish Anthropological and Folklore Society. Founder of the Scottish National Movement. He wrote books on Ancient Britain, occultism, mythology, Atlantis and other lost worlds.


a. 1. Of enormous size; gigantic; huge; as, a colossal statue.
2. (Sculpture & Painting) Of a size larger than heroic. See Heroic.
Adj. 1. colossal - so great in size or force or extent as to elicit awe; "colossal crumbling ruins of an ancient temple"; "has a colossal nerve"; "a prodigious storm"; "a stupendous field of grass"; "stupendous demand"


Bob "Bob1" Mothersbaugh in downtown Akron, Ohio – April 10, 1978.
Newspaper advert for DEVO's Nov. 9th, 1982 show at Cleveland Music Hall in Cleveland, Ohio.
This DEVO Bio (Logical) Report Sheet was included with early Club DEVO kits and some press kits.
Advert for DEVO's appearance on Saturday Night Live latenight TV, and their debut LP – Oct. 1978.
From Scene Magazine in Ohio.
Jerry Casale signing autographs in San Diego, CA – 1980.
Mark Mothersbaugh signing autographs in San Diego, CA – 1980.
Tru DEVO Bio – distributed in DEVO press kits & in Club DEVO kits in the late 1970's…and possibly into the early 1980's.
Mark Mothersbaugh & Jerry Casale wearing rubber masks at the Portage Path apartment in Akron, Ohio.
Probably circa 1978. Photo by Bobbie Watson.
Newspaper advert for early DEVO show at the Agora Ballroom in Cleveland, Ohio – Oct. 30, 1978. Tickets were only $1.01 at the door!
Original Chi-Chi Rodriguez golf accessory packaging, the inspiration for cover art used on DEVO's debut "Q: Are We Not Men?, A: We Are Devo!" album.
DEVO on MTV circa 1982…promoting their "Oh, No! It's DEVO" album.
DEVO makes mention of this Carl's Jr. "Freedom of Choice" billboard in radio interviews they did back in the early 1980's.
DEVO jukebox labels circa early 1980's.
See more devolved artifacts at Devo-Obsesso.com.
DEVO's 1981 Tour Book included several pages of cut & fold elements which fit together to build your own Temple Of DEVO, a replica of their "New Traditionalists" stage set – including finger puppet band members.
DEVO "Baby Dolls" paper kit finger puppets designed by Shigeru Nakamura promoting DEVO's "Smooth Noodle Maps" album circa 1990. To see more devolved ephemera, please visit Devo-Obsesso.com.
Booji Boy holds DEVO's first 7″ vinyl single in this early photo. Courtesy of The DEVO Archives.


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I don't feel this. I think players generally have a mutual respect for one another & the grind!
wow! nice to have you here man! i'll follow you on twitch!
Hey! Thank you so much, it's great to be here.
Awesome! Wishing you the best on your poker journey!
Forgive me if it's been answered, But how did you study, get so good at poker? Is it worth it?
I would say it is worth it yes. I would recommend poker as a strong hobby, not tell someone to quit their day job and pursue it full time!
It's funny! I'm interested in your attitude to newcomers to poker, how do you look at them?
How much they are irritable to you, ambitious. Or vice versa interesting? How do you see them?
I love when newcomers enter poker! This is how the ecosystem must work for poker to survive. I look at them as curious & willing to take risks. They don't irritate me at all, this is a great thing! I see them as adventurous & willing to step outside of the box.
Hi Jeff , how many times have you gotten a Royal Flush in poker?
For me over the course of playing the last 19-20 years I have received the Royal Flush 17 times. And every time it was the greatest feeling making me a nice profit every time.
That's a lot! I am not sure but it is less than 10 times for me. I would guess around 8! I will need to start keeping track moving forward! There really is no feeling in poker like it!
How do you calculate your odds on the flop when you are playing online, do you have a quick way to calculate?
I like to use primed mind or http://bit.ly/PokerMindCoach when I can! I get the blood flowing w/ some burpees/pushups/situps or a proper workout & a cool shower. I also like to eat and make sure I'm awake several hours before start playing. I don't like to wake up & roll into the tournament!
How do you deal with going up in levels and then being stuck at one level more than the previous ones?
Generally when playing a large cash game or larger tournament then normal I would sell some action to keep it close to what I am use to/comfortable with. That can be tricky to move up big stakes then go back to what playing normally.
I am a long time fan and follower of yours.
Been nice to see the fruits of your labour after so much hard work come to fruitition.
What is your most fond memory of playing poker?
thank you! My most fond memory was playing HU for a WSOP bracelet in 2011; the rail for my opponent & my own was electric! Lost a big hand AJo to KTo all in pre flop to basically win it & came up short, but this memory will never go away! Was so much fun & great experience!
Hi Jeff! Are you the same nice fellow I chat with on CardsChat FB page?
17 years of practice! I have seen most situations & lot of the same math type situations come up so I have a good feel for the odds in the majority of spots!
I am a huge online player and have really only played online but curious in your opinion do you think online poker rooms make the integrity of the game better or worse?
I think they do a great job in keeping the integrity of the game high. They monitor for bots & collusion & have really advanced software. I think they make it better!
Hi Jeff. I wanted to ask about software. If not used, you can achieve such success. You are for or against programs that collect data from other players.
Yes I believe you do not need for success. It helps specially when playing multiple tables. I think from a game perspective it would help if advanced software was eliminated; having the BB displayed as well as some basic stats would be useful. I know several of the online sites are looking at modifying this & what is allowed in the near future.
Hey! When you hit those marks take a break and restart! This would be a good fix for that I believe.
I think my biggest flaw at poker is bankroll management. Can you provide some tips?
Bankroll management is huge! I would say separate your poker bankroll and life bankroll so there is no stress or cross over and confusion. It is very important to play stakes you feel comfortable at winning & secure a sufficient amount of buy ins before moving up at the next level of stakes. Take your time! Not a rush!
Nice pot! nice to win a big hand at start of a session!
Whats the best strategy to play KK under the gun on a 9 handed table..?
I know a lot has to do with, how aggressive or how tight the players behind are playing, and your table image, but do you have a preference on playing KK under the gun..?
Hello Jeff greeting from Morocco!
is it really worth it to be professional poker player ?
and is it hard ? also what are negatives of being pro poker player ?
thanks and gl in ur career !
Thanks for your answer Jeff. I'm trying to change my habits as well as I discover it's never end good for me when I'm starting to roll straight away from mornings.
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question, Jeff..!
Good Luck and keep on grinding on all your success..!
Hi did you know that on Party Poker there is no satellites to any tournament under $33. No satellites to any $22, $11, $5.50 mtt. All $1.10 to $5.50 satellites are only allowed to play more satellites to $22 to $44 and those also can't be used for MTT's they have to be for more satellites till finally $109 or $215 to use as a MTT Ticket. It's pretty ridiculous and it would be great if you could get satellites to Party for players that aren't mid/high stakes.
Hi Jeff. Lately I've notice that I tend to bluff more than usually, and I mean MORE. In last week that cost me some micro tournaments. How could I diminish the urge to bluff so much.
Is there such a thing in poker as bad luck ? Or its just low skill or not enough skill ?
Im asking because sometimes im playing long tournaments and im getting almost to pay place and suddently im starting to loose. Its my fault or i have bad luck ?
Jeff, love the stream and the hand analysis. We all can learn a lot by just watching and listening to why you make certain plays. great stuff and love your energy.
Thanks for putting your content out there.
Hi Jeff, how u keep ur calm in a tournament when u made a 'bluff' lost same and are in the ur stack is 2× or equal to the big blind?
Jeff, do you think the Super Systems style still has its place in modern poker? It seems to be a solid method of playing the game, but curious as to your thoughts.
I have been playing cards online long enough to know that bad beats happen more frequently due to the large number of hands played but I am really questioning after winning. Have you noticed or did it seem as if the cards leaned against you more after winning money on a site? I play tournaments online, usually buy-ins 2-20 dollars. I really try to not wear a tin foil hat on conspiracies but I feel like it is true. Any advice?
What's your favorite poker tournament and location (site) live and online?
Ill follow you on your channel...Whats the difference be freeroll an professional tables?
Hello Jeff I'm a fan, I saw a lot of your videos. Do you play WPT? I will play the WPT in September in Portugal. Would be great to meet you.
Hi Jeff - I kept falling short at about 15-20% crowed left in tournament. I barely just cash in. I want to make it to more final tables. Can you suggest some reading material, ideas?
i just started to follow you on twitch.tv and i cant wait to see what is to come with your live event!
Thank you so much! Montreal in late May!
Hello there! I try to play them when I can! I won't make that one but hope to see you on the tour! Glgl there! I will look for you at the Final Table!
Thank you! Free roll is when you put no money in to participate & can win something. Professional tables I think you mean "Real Money Tables" is where you must wager in order to participate.
My favorite tournament location is in Montreal at Playground Poker. I have gone 2-4 times a year since first going in 2012. I love the WPT & Millions events there. For online it's partypoker & the bounty series!


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	GtkWidget *scroll;

	void *userptr; // custom user pointer passed to all callbacks

	bool (*on_close_web_view)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	bool (*on_console_message)(struct SurfiClient *client, char *message, int line, char *source_id);
	bool (*on_context_menu)(struct SurfiClient *client, GtkWidget *default_menu,
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	void (*on_copy_clipboard)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	void (*on_create_plugin_widget)(struct SurfiClient *client, char *mime_type, char *uri, GHashTable *param);
	void (*on_create_webview)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	void (*on_cut_clipboard)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	void (*on_database_quota_exceeded)(struct SurfiClient *client, GObject *frame, GObject *database);
	void (*on_document_load_finished)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	void (*on_download_requested)(struct SurfiClient *client, GObject *download);
	void (*on_editing_began)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	void (*on_editing_ended)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	bool (*on_entering_fullscreen)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitDOMHTMLElement *element);
	void (*on_frame_created)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	void (*on_geolocation_policy_decision_cancelled)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	bool (*on_geolocation_policy_decision_requested)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
	                                                 WebKitGeolocationPolicyDecision *policy_decision);
	void (*on_hovering_over_link)(struct SurfiClient *client, char *title, char *uri);
	void (*on_icon_loaded)(struct SurfiClient *client, char *icon_uri);
	bool (*on_leaving_fullscreen)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitDOMHTMLElement *element);
	void (*on_load_commited)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	bool (*on_load_error)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	void (*on_load_finished)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	void (*on_load_progress_changed)(struct SurfiClient *client, int progress);
	void (*on_load_started)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	bool (*on_mime_type_policy_decision_requested)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
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	bool (*on_move_cursor)(struct SurfiClient *client, GtkMovementStep step, int count);
	bool (*on_navigation_policy_decision_requested)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
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	bool (*on_new_window_policy_decision_requested)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
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	void (*on_onload_event)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	void (*on_paste_clipboard)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	void (*on_populate_popup)(struct SurfiClient *client, GtkMenu *menu);
	bool (*on_print_requested)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame);
	void (*on_redo)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	void (*on_resource_content_length_received)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
	                                            WebKitWebResource *resource, int length_received);
	void (*on_resource_load_failed)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
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	void (*on_resource_load_finished)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
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	void (*on_resource_request_starting)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
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	void (*on_resource_response_received)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
	                                      WebKitWebResource *resource, WebKitNetworkResponse *response);
	bool (*on_run_file_chooser)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitFileChooserRequest *request);
	bool (*on_script_alert)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame, char *message);
	bool (*on_script_confirm)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame, char *message, void *confirmed);
	bool (*on_script_prmpt)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame, char *message, char *default_, void *text);
	void (*on_select_all)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	void (*on_selection_changed)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	bool (*on_should_apply_style)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitDOMCSSStyleDeclaration *arg1, WebKitDOMRange *arg2);
	bool (*on_should_begin_editing)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitDOMRange *arg1);
	bool (*on_should_change_selected_range)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitDOMRange *arg1, WebKitDOMRange *arg2,
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	bool (*on_should_delete_range)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitDOMRange *arg1);
	bool (*on_should_end_editing)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitDOMRange *arg1);
	bool (*on_should_insert_node)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitDOMNode *arg1, WebKitDOMRange *arg2,
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	bool (*on_should_insert_text)(struct SurfiClient *client, char *arg1, WebKitDOMRange *arg2,
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	bool (*on_should_show_delete_interface_for_element)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitDOMHTMLElement *arg1);
	void (*on_status_bar_text_changed)(struct SurfiClient *client, char *arg1);
	void (*on_title_changed)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame, char *title);
	void (*on_undo)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	void (*on_user_changed_contents)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	void (*on_viewport_attributes_changed)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitViewportAttributes *arg1);
	void (*on_viewport_attributes_recompute_requested)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitViewportAttributes *arg1);
	void (*on_webview_ready)(struct SurfiClient *client);
	void (*on_window_object_cleared)(struct SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebFrame *frame,
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 *
 * RETURNS: true if call was succesful otherwise false
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bool surfi_init(void);

/*
 * This updates everything related to surfi *and* gtk.
 * You can omit a call to surfi_poll if you're running
 * the gtk mainloop your own.
 *
 * RETURNS: true if there were events which needed processing, otherwise false
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bool surfi_poll(void);

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 * RETURNS: SurfiClient*
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 * To avoid memory leaks this function has to be called!
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void surfi_client_free(SurfiClient *client);

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/*
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/*
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bool surfi_client_can_copy_clipboard(SurfiClient *client);
bool surfi_client_can_cut_clipboard(SurfiClient *client);
bool surfi_client_can_go_back(SurfiClient *client);
bool surfi_client_can_go_back_or_forward(SurfiClient *client, int steps);
bool surfi_client_can_go_forward(SurfiClient *client);
bool surfi_client_can_paste_clipboard(SurfiClient *client);
bool surfi_client_can_redo(SurfiClient *client);
bool surfi_client_can_show_mime_type(SurfiClient *client, const char *mime_type);
bool surfi_client_can_undo(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_copy_clipboard(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_cut_clipboard(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_delete_selection(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_execute_script(SurfiClient *client, const char *script);
WebKitWebBackForwardList* surfi_client_get_back_forward_list(SurfiClient *client);
GtkTargetList* surfi_client_get_copy_target_list(SurfiClient *client);
const char* surfi_client_get_custom_encoding(SurfiClient *client);
WebKitDOMDocument* surfi_client_get_dom_document(SurfiClient *client);
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WebKitWebFrame* surfi_client_get_focused_frame(SurfiClient *client);
bool surfi_client_get_full_content_zoom(SurfiClient *client);
WebKitHitTestResult* surfi_client_get_hit_test_result(SurfiClient *client, GdkEventButton *event);
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WebKitWebInspector* surfi_client_get_inspector(SurfiClient *client);
WebKitLoadStatus surfi_client_get_load_status(SurfiClient *client);
WebKitWebFrame* surfi_client_get_main_frame(SurfiClient *client);
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bool surfi_client_get_transparent(SurfiClient *client);
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bool surfi_client_get_view_source_mode(SurfiClient *client);
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void surfi_client_go_back(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_go_back_or_forward(SurfiClient *client, int steps);
void surfi_client_go_forward(SurfiClient *client);
bool surfi_client_go_to_back_forward_item(SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebHistoryItem *item);
bool surfi_client_has_selection(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_load_html_string(SurfiClient *client, const char* content, const char* base_uri);
void surfi_client_load_request(SurfiClient *client, WebKitNetworkRequest *request);
void surfi_client_load_string(SurfiClient *client, const char *content, const char *mime_type,
							  const char *encoding, const char *base_uri);
void surfi_client_load_uri(SurfiClient *client, const char *uri);
unsigned int surfi_client_mark_text_matches(SurfiClient *client, const char *string, bool case_sensitive, unsigned int limit);
void surfi_client_move_cursor(SurfiClient *client, GtkMovementStep step, int count);
void surfi_client_paste_clipboard(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_redo(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_reload(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_reload_bypass_cache(SurfiClient *client);
bool surfi_client_search_text(SurfiClient *client, const char *text, bool case_sensitive, bool forward, bool wrap);
void surfi_client_select_all(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_set_custom_encoding(SurfiClient *client, const char *encoding);
void surfi_client_set_editable(SurfiClient *client, bool flag);
void surfi_client_set_full_content_zoom(SurfiClient *client, bool full_content_zoom);
void surfi_client_set_highlight_text_matches(SurfiClient *client, bool highlight);
void surfi_client_set_maintains_back_forward_list(SurfiClient *client, bool flag);
void surfi_client_set_settings(SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebSettings *settings);
void surfi_client_set_transparent(SurfiClient *client, bool flag);
void surfi_client_set_view_mode(SurfiClient *client, WebKitWebViewViewMode mode);
void surfi_client_set_view_source_mode(SurfiClient *client, bool view_source_mode);
void surfi_client_set_zoom_level(SurfiClient *client, float zoom_level);
void surfi_client_stop_loading(SurfiClient *client);
Pixbuf* surfi_client_try_get_favicon_pixbuf(SurfiClient *client, int width, int height);
void surfi_client_undo(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_unmark_text_matches(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_zoom_in(SurfiClient *client);
void surfi_client_zoom_out(SurfiClient *client);
WebKitWebWindowFeatures* surfi_client_get_window_features(SurfiClient *client);
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Laura Loomer gathered a group of illegals from from Guatemala and Mexico and traveled to Pelosi's California vineyard estate. Loomer spray painted the world "immorality" on a tent above photos of American citizens killed by illegal aliens.
Drawing attention to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's hypocrisy when it comes to her dislike for walls and borders. "A wall, in my view, is an immorality," said speaker Pelosi before the government shut down occurred. "It's the least effective way to protect the border and the most costly." I can't think of any reason why anyone would think it's a good idea." That is unless she has a bunch of illegals working in her vineyard picking grapes.
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Maybe Pelosi just needed a attitude adjustment! An invasion might be just the thing!
Oh, Lordy, what a stunt. Laura Loomer is stupid and these aren't immigrants. Asshat.
Oh, Lordy, what a great job, Laura Loomer did!
But it depends on what side of the wall you're on. From the other comments you left on other sites, it's quite obvious where your stuck.. LOL!


Ye Olde Inn • View topic - HeroQuest canon?
Which parts do you consider canon for HeroQuest?
The cartography thread kinda went in a direction of discussing canon.
Just kinda curious... What do you consider HQ canon and why(not)?
QorDaq makes a fine distinction between canon, soft-canon and fanon.
Personally I consider everything in the questbooks hard canon.
To me that means the World of HQ is identical to the Warhammer World.
It also means snotlings are canon because of that one picture.
I also kinda consider AHQ canon as it's an evolution of HQ. Kinda like how Age of Sigmar is canon to Warhammer Fantasy despite being two different games.
Warhammer Quest on the other hand is an entirely different game that didn't evolve from HQ, but rather became it's own thing similar to HQ.
I think one of the hardest to decide is the Amiga game. It sure has a whole lot of content, but it's not very HQ'y. Vampires, Beholders etc etc.
I've been following the Cartography thread too. I agree pretty much identically with you.
I consider warhammer and HQ to share an identical universe. I've set my custom packs in this world. So yes, I'd consider snotlings canon and any other creature/monster from the warhammer world.
No doubts to me at all.
Cannon = Basic 14 quests + KK + RotWL.
AtOH and MotM were not sold in NA and TFH was not sold anywhere else. They are all suspect!
The introduction of Mercenaries is where I draw the line. There is no way the original designers were on board with that. They do not exist.
There are only three Indiana Jones movies (The Last Crusade was the last crusade).
There is only one Highlander film ("There can be only one!").
I accept that the HQ universe is derived from WH and using the map is cool if you want to and a neat exercise which I will gladly read and follow. But not my cannon. They could have included a map anywhere in the original game, and they didn't. They didn't bother in KK, and here geography is key to understanding why your mission is so critical. It would appear that "cannon" is to not use a map at all and instead spin tales by the hearth.
Oh boy whitebeard you just went full fanon!
I'm surprised to actually see someone not accepting official quest packs as canon.
IF anything I think it would be FF and MotM that should be excluded as they are stylistically very different from the rest.
I think in this particular discussion it's important to distinguish between the Warhammer geography and the Warhammer setting.
If you accept the map as lore the geography is a dead given. But what about Warhammer specific stuff like the four chaos gods, lizardmen or dark elves?
Snotlings are a special case because one is actually depicted, but what about the rest?
If I were making a custom quest, I'd have no qualms putting in chaos demons or whatever.
But If I was making "the official HeroQuest Wiki" I would be hard pressed to make a page for them, since they appear nowhere at all in any material connected to HQ.
I'd sooner include the beholders from Legacy of Sorasil than the Pink Horrors from Warhammer.
HQ Game system, KK, RotWL, AtOH, WoM, Dark Company, excluding almost all art (or taken with a grain of salt establishing the Old World setting, but not the timeline), the reason explained below.
Warhammer Old World geography & topography are canon, established by the connections between both games sprinkled here and there; because of the many ambiguities, they are alternate realities to each other, which makes the Warhammer lore canon, if only for seperating timelines and setting up the fact that the HQ background world is an alternate timeline to the Warhammer Fantasy world, sharing geography and much of their history.
Also, GK, you should take into account that almost all art up to the release of AtOH has existed before. We can interpret each case (cause it's fun), but we can't ignore that fact of corporate cost-effectiveness.
Most had been released as Warhammer art or generic Gary Chalk art or whatever the case may be.
They re-used art published before in Warhammer books, as in the case of that picture in the back of KK.
From that picture, they took out the Zoat and left in the Snotling.
Probably because it was in the foreground, making it necessary to re-do art, but you could probably argue that it was left in for a reason.
I still say, sloppiness and cost-effectiveness were the order of the day back then.
The "We Are Legion" spread at the back of EU RoTWL was a piece of art published in the Undead army book before.
That doesn't make it non-canon for HQ, but you should consider the methods under which each piece of art was used and why.
Most of it was simply used because it fit thematically, they had it, they looked at it, they owned it, and didn't have to commission a new piece.
Snotlings are HQ canon, established by Orcs and Goblins being both in HQ and WHF, sharing some art styles, including that KK picture.
Mostly because of the Old World being the geographi background for both HQ and WHF and Snotlings being in the Old World.
They are not canon just because of the picture, but because of cross-referencing.
Much of the art is indeed taken from previous publications.
We can call it cheap or lazy.
I agree! But the fact of the matter is they did put that art in the official books.
I'm of the opinion that once it's there and it's printed, the reasons and intentions doesn't count for anything.
I also got thinking... I think it's a good way to go to say that the world of HQ and WHF are identical in the period where HQ was in print (1989-1992).
Once HQ went out of print, everything that happened in WHF since 1992 didn't exist. That would implicit make chaos gods etc. part of HQ canon. But Age of Sigmar is not HQ canon.
Goblin-King wrote: But Age of Sigmar is not HQ canon.
And for many AoS in not even WH cannon!!!
Goblin-King wrote: Oh boy whitebeard you just went full fanon!
I think you will find yourself in a very lonely place with your opinion on Prometheus.
I agree that the Matrix movies are cannon. This does not mean that the films should have been made or that you have any excuse for having them in your DVD collection.
My StarWars comment on cannon referred only to the movies. You can have your Christmas Special. I do not remember much from this when I watched it at age... 9?
And, there is also only one Ghostbusters movie. GB2: Pink slime, really? I guess I'm just getting old... this film did not need a re-boot. And without having watched it, I'm not surprised it tanked.
Goblin-King wrote: I'm surprised to actually see someone not accepting official quest packs as canon.
Any quest pack not released universally is suspect in my opinion. And the addition of mercs really points to a huge style change. It breaks the entire group of four adventure based dungeon crawl. "It looks dangerous... so the barbarian sends the mercs in first." Really?!
Why is the Japanese version of the game listed? Is it vastly differeent from the others versions of the game?