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Scaphoid Fracture Detection by Using Convolutional Neural Network
Tai Hua Yang, Ming Huwi Horng, Rong Shiang Li, Yung Nien Sun
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生物醫學工程學系
Scaphoid fractures frequently appear in injury radiograph, but approximately 20% are occult. While there are few studies in the fracture detection of X-ray scaphoid images, their effectiveness is insignificant in detecting the scaphoid fractures. Traditional image processing technology had been applied to segment interesting areas of X-ray images, but it always suffered from the requirements of manual intervention and a large amount of computational time. To date, the models of convolutional neural networks have been widely applied to medical image recognition; thus, this study proposed a two-stage convolutional neural network to detect scaphoid fractures. In the first stage, the scaphoid bone is separated from the X-ray image using the Faster R-CNN network. The second stage uses the ResNet model as the backbone for feature extraction, and uses the feature pyramid network and the convolutional block attention module to develop the detection and classification models for scaphoid fractures. Various metrics such as recall, precision, sensitivity, specificity, accuracy, and the area under the receiver operating characteristic curve (AUC) are used to evaluate our proposed method's performance. The scaphoid bone detection achieved an accuracy of 99.70%. The results of scaphoid fracture detection with the rotational bounding box revealed a recall of 0.789, precision of 0.894, accuracy of 0.853, sensitivity of 0.789, specificity of 0.90, and AUC of 0.920. The resulting scaphoid fracture classification had the following performances: recall of 0.735, precision of 0.898, accuracy of 0.829, sensitivity of 0.735, specificity of 0.920, and AUC of 0.917. According to the experimental results, we found that the proposed method can provide effective references for measuring scaphoid fractures. It has a high potential to consider the solution of detection of scaphoid fractures. In the future, the integration of images of the anterior–posterior and lateral views of each participant to develop more powerful convolutional neural networks for fracture detection by X-ray radiograph is probably important to research.
https://doi.org/10.3390/diagnostics12040895
Published - 2022 4月
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Yang, T. H., Horng, M. H., Li, R. S., & Sun, Y. N. (2022). Scaphoid Fracture Detection by Using Convolutional Neural Network. Diagnostics, 12(4), [895]. https://doi.org/10.3390/diagnostics12040895
Yang, Tai Hua ; Horng, Ming Huwi ; Li, Rong Shiang 等. / Scaphoid Fracture Detection by Using Convolutional Neural Network. 於: Diagnostics. 2022 ; 卷 12, 編號 4.
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[Watch] Ariana Grande Covers Whitney Houston's "I Have Nothing" @ "Women of Soul" Concert
Perhaps keen to move away from the Mariah Carey comparisons, Ariana Grande has now taken to covering Whitney Houston's material in her setlist. For her part in the Women of Soul concert, held at the White House, the Diva did her best to recreate Whitney's classic, I Have Nothing. But how did she fair? Take a look below!
The cover was good, but Arina's voice doesn't have the weight or gravitas that Whitney's legendary voice had. As such, the voice sounded to be struggling in parts, especially with its dynamics and a consistent tone, with the Diva trying too hard to mimic the original vocal. I was also surprised to hear quite a bit of tension in the voice- which is something I can't say I've noticed in Arina'a voice before.
The vocals improved greatly when it came to singing her own material, which consisted of a stripped back version of Tattooed Heart. However, her part in the closing ensemble- which featured Patti Labelle, Janelle Monáe, Jill Scott, Tessanne Chin and Melissa Etheridge- had the Diva coming in WAY too high, thus sounding like she didn't know the melody!! Either that or I've heard a different version of Proud Mary.
Still, I enjoyed watching this little video- especially since it was for a good cause.
Labels: ariana grande, cover, Janelle Monae, jill scott, live, patti labelle, whitney houston
Josh Sensei 7 March 2014 at 16:31
she shouldn't have sung a Whitney song, she sounded extremely plain, boring, and uninspired. didn't feel anything from her but nervousness which is understandable due to the fact that's singing in front of important people. But still, the song wasn't given justice and i feel bad for Whitney. Even the tattooed Heart seemed unpolished to my ears. She clearly fell short compared to the other guest who were all marvelous.
Opie Ever2 7 March 2014 at 16:44
LOL That audience at the end! Reminded me of this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kv8Yumbo8
Ricky Yong 7 March 2014 at 16:54
This is so boring. She should stick with her own songs where I truly enjoy more. This is... this is... blasphemy! I can't even begin to describe how disappointment is almost literally flowing out of me.
Kay maybe I exaggerated a tad bit, but seriously!
Seren 7 March 2014 at 17:36
Lowered key.
Shea Butter 7 March 2014 at 17:52
Maybe I'm a shitty mean person but she already seemed like the odd ball in the line up to me. And that Whitney cover was very disappointing. Honestly it seem like the song was to much for her to handle, it seemed like she rushed the dynamics plus no magic in the crescendo, I thought her connections were a bit weak. And there is still this weird narrow fogginess to her voice that ruins most of her material/covers for me. I'm sure I'm a hater, but I wished she would have picked another song for her voice as well as I'm a little over people covering whitney.
Leith 7 March 2014 at 18:10
Singing a Withney Houston song shows a worrying lack of knowledge on her own voice. Withney's best past of her range was her midrange, while Ariana has almost no sound there, so choosing "I Have Nothing" hasn't been a very intelligent move. However, although maybe it was the quality of the video, it sounded like the low notes in the beginning of the song were more resonant than usual, am I wrong?
Devonte' 7 March 2014 at 18:49
Mariah Carey - Babydoll.
I heard this song in a club yesterday and the crowd went wild; it's an absolute R&B/Hip-Hop classic and just one of the many gems from, what I consider, "The Golden Age of Urban-Contemporary Music: The 1990's". Her 'Butterfly' album was truly her "Magnum Opus" and is also my favorite album of hers.
This is the sound that I crave from her. Sonically speaking, I know R&B music has changed but this is the sound that I miss.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BEOmuWHXxf8
Certainly found this video entertaining http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQXt0jg_HGI
Mini Pineston 7 March 2014 at 19:05
I don't know what to say. She didn't do anything with the I have nothing. Whitneys steel like quality to here voice makes every cover Ive heard of this song sound karaoke. This one of those that showed really showcased Whitney being the true Spinto- soprano giving her the ability to easily make dramatic phrasing, and resonate like no other. Ariana is light soprano and doesn't have the resonance to pull wow a big song as this. But I look at is a tribute to her idol so that said nice attempt at a classy song. I think her performance of Tattoed Heart was better but lacked any emotion. She was totally out of place in the Proud Mary performance, I kind of felt bad for her as she all in all she showed how her voice is not equipped for versatility.
Sasuke Uchiha 7 March 2014 at 19:17
What the hell? The girl can't even sing. That microscopic ass voice DARES tackling on a gigantic voice with a calibre parallel to that of the heavens? She needs to stop. Hell no she did not do this song justice. Listen to how ridiculously underwhelming this cover is...oh god the shade. And in addition to kinda screwing up in the beginning, it was COMPLETELY Karaoke. And this girl, a Soprano, was STRAINING on a D5s and Eb5s? What the hell....it's worthy of condoning if you at least have a great voice, she simply doesn't. Ariana, stop it. I mean come on, you already have a small voice, you can at least compensate for the size by RESONATING....but she strained -__- on a D5? As high as her voice is, there should be ease at least. Oh well. When people have the nerve to say she's the best singer of this generation, I simply laugh. No originality or creativity or true vocal skill. Way to go Karaoke Grande. F minus!
This is why I love when Mariah has other's doing the backing vocals. I think Babydoll has Trey on backing, though MC's also layered in the mix. It just makes the main vocal stand out so much more. Love the song , still listen to it today (especially with headphones on).
I'm just so lazy...
http://www.divadevotee.com/2014/03/Watch-Ariana-Grande-Covers-Whitney-Houstons-I-have-Nothing-Women-of-Soul.html theres arianas bit
Just to remind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQnPz6TpGc
This is too pure for me. I need some genre dilution. Either that, or I need to see it performed live to have that connection made. How did you get into this style of music, opie. You're not from the States, so where's the connection? (Not that I'm saying there needs to be one..lol)
I never considered this song that difficult to sing, yet I've seen mariah struggle with it a lot- even when it was released. I just don't get her voice. :S
JustErics 7 March 2014 at 19:55
The Whitney cover was weak and boring to listen to. I can't wait for her voice to mature and darken so it can start sounding interesting.
And then everybody else completely overshadows Grande. Sing Patti!
Oops! Wrong link. @DD if you could remove this one, I'd appreciate it. (posting as "guest", I cannot do so myself)
Well, all in all, what other singer has ever done a "Whitney Houston" song justice?
In my opinion, she should just continue to reside within her upper register - her tonal quality below is F5 is uninspiring, to say the least. Whitney's voice possessed some of the most powerful mid-belts (A4 - E5) in Popular music, and this song showcases that; it's no wonder she failed miserably. This rendition, also, reminded of Leona Lewis' version - their voices completely lack the size, weight, richness and excellent vocal dynamics to sing any prime- "Whitney Houston" song.
This is how you sing a "Whitney Houston" standard...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z-M5iuH4WUs
I thought you didn't because sent it to you as an review idea a while back. :-)
The tease is real!
Wao, you got mad there ._.
Cosmajame 7 March 2014 at 20:09
id like to see you do better!
sanct 7 March 2014 at 20:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M643bvDprdA&list=UUY96N6PznmQJK5w4_XV8Bwg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M643bvDprdA
she made a justin bieber song sound good
LOL The genre dilution would be Alison Krauss DD. Which is basically how I got into this music.
I always was into Country but after falling in love with the Raising Sand album I went and checked out Alison Krauss. This is where she started before she developed her present more cross over style. I love it because it is pure indeed. I am still undecided which Alison I like better. :-)
Here's a bit of early Alison singing and talking about Bluegrass music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QSmn7UxzfI
Oh and btw I think the connection is this is working class edge of poverty people's music. Which is what I hail from.
I don't think live for that demographic differs much in different nations.
Oh Pu-lease! Not THAT silly argument!
Brian 7 March 2014 at 20:32
She really doesn't release much sound when she tries to belt does she? :/ It wasn't always like that. Her management needs to stop trying to sell her off as the new Mariah or New Whitney or whatever it is they want her to be. New Diva. She could do much better if she stopped singing like something she kind of can't pull off very often.
Butterfly is my favorite experimental phase from her. BabyDoll, Fourth of July, and Breakdown are just perfectly composed with layer over layer of vocals. Because she didn't make the big powerful notes the forefront of this era a lot of her old fans started raising their eyebrows at her...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC7V9dn1rC8
Well theres a lesson in that...lol. or some commentary on my consistency,...
Ahh, okay! That makes sense!
Why would they edit her? She sounded much better raw. XD
She looks so different!! But yep, this is doable. It's Dolly Partonesque. I still need that emotional connection, though. Find me a hot country singer. Lets go shallow...lol. I kid. I need to devote some time to explore the genre.
If you have quick eyes, 2:14 is less tease and more reveal :P
LOL I guess...one of the two.
'Butterfly' is, quite literally, one of the most important 'Urban-Contemporary' albums ever made. 'R&B, Soul & Hip-Hop' are three of the prime genres that have always been close to Mariah's heart and this album combined all three stylings perfectly.
Also, let's the forget the masterpiece that is "The Roof (Back In Time) - the 'N.W.A & Mobb Deep' sampling was absolute genius.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi5oxzttjgo
I thought I just did, find you a hot country singer. ;-)
But if you are talking males, this is the best i can do for hot Bluegrassers
(but they don't sing much. Mostly are incredible musicians)
Argh freaking Disqus, that picture of Alison was supposed to have been removed. still...the point stands. ;-)
Mimi 7 March 2014 at 22:06
I agree, it sounded like she was struggling with it. "I Have Nothing" was too big for her voice.
Natsu Lian 7 March 2014 at 22:14
Whitney Houston, one of the greatest vocalist to ever grace the stages of the World, the human with the voice to silence a nation... And Ariana had to cover one of her songs. Not just any song, "I Have Nothing." A strong, mid-tempo song which requires a singer with stratospheric mid-belts, thick, creamy head voice, and a voice that can over-power an orchestra along with a knack for music. I may not be such a great musician myself but, in terms of the strength Ariana's voice contains, it's little to non-existent. Yes her upper-register is great but does it have the strength a Soprano should have? Her head voice? I call it a falsetto. Lower register? Don't even mention it. In conclusion, Ariana, never, EVER cover one of Whitney's songs again. Your voice does not contain any of the requirements needed for a MASTER vocalist. Yes, you may someday get to Mariah's feet but if you are not willing to MASTER your voice in all it's excellence, I cannot and will not call you a true vocalist/artist at heart.
why is the world was she invited to this, of all things?
(I don't hate her voice, but women of soul seems bizarre for her)
Damn, after re-reading this I do sound a little butt hurt LOL!
Well, it's clear that you are an avid "Whitney Houston Stan" (just like me) - What would you say are your top- 5/10, favorite, Whitney Houston songs and what is your favorite albums by hers? ;-D
You BETTER preach!!!!!!!
Whitney Houston DESERVES a sermon.
thedigblackbick 7 March 2014 at 22:57
She wasn't bad technically, but she lacks Whitney's resonance and strong vibrato; and honestly, without those two aspects, the performance was rather bland.
Favorite Songs:
1. I Will Always Love You/ I Have Nothing
2. The Greatest Love of All/ Eternal Love/ All The Man That I Need
3. Where Do Broken Hearts Go/ I Look To You
4. Love Will Save The Day/ Didn't We Almost Have It All
Favorite Albums:
ALL!!! :D
Black Robin 7 March 2014 at 23:32
Of all things? Who'd dare get on a stage with Patti Labelle? That's some scary shit! And I feel bad for Janelle and Ariana coming out after her. The difference in vocal size between those two women and Patti was so evident...
As far as Ariana's rendition...oops chores to do....
probably both, to be fair...
Foreal, though. Of ALL the people to choose for WHITNEY....a karaoke singer? That is shade at the highest degree. I mean, Beyonce would've been an EXCELLENT choice if you ask me....AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE HER VOICE lol HOWEVER, Beyonce's a SKILLFUL singer and a genius interpreter when it comes to covering songs. She wouldn't have strained on any note, she would've resonated. Of course she'd have flaunted her excellent vibrato. And, her proficiency in dynamics would've more than satiated the song. Ariana's attempt at the dynamics was just poor. But I'm certain Beyonce was available and Ariana is the default 'cause if that girl was top choice then houston we have a problem -___-
Still, Janelle energy and charisma on stage KILLED. It put her leagues beyond Ariana, that's for certain. But yes LOL! A voice like on stage with Patti? LOL! That's like putting a baby bunny in a cage with a huge, monstrous Pitbull. Poor thing. However, Ariana did - somewhat - do her thing when she came in on the Tina Turner song. But still, no. Just no lol
I kinda hog Janelle Monae. I'm such a diehard android that I don't want her performing with anyone especially legends like Patti LOL. And have you seen Janelle Monae perform "victory".... resonance for days.
As for Ariana....oops my food just got finished warming in the microwave....LOL.
Versatile Listener 8 March 2014 at 01:11
Well seeing as today is my birthday and I am relatively new to the blog, I just wanted to share a bit more about my tastes by presenting an artist that I have recently gotten into and one that I have been into for quite a long time. First up is an artist who I have appreciated for a while but have very recently gotten into her music and that is Kimbra. I find myself always attaching myself to artists who aren't afraid to be quirky and make music that not everyone will understand. Kimbra is no different and after listening to her album Vows, I must say I have quickly become a fan. One of my favorite songs of hers would have to be Cameo Lover, it has been stuck in my head for days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyk9MBY72U Now for an artist that I have been a huge fan of for the longest time, Dusty Springfield. I have always found her voice to be very striking in its ability to convey the desired tone that the lyrics would suggest. Plus she is a legend. For the sake of mentioning a song that people would know, one of my favorite songs of hers is Son of A Preacher Man because it is very fun and perfectly shows a more relaxed side to her voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp4339EbVn8
Milia 8 March 2014 at 01:32
Matheus Dias Lee 8 March 2014 at 01:44
I love Ariana but she having tension in her voice isn't news. At all. Anyway tome she did alright technically, very few flat notes, like 3? A few runs where I was like mhmm. Definitely some tension in her upper register, not supporting her voice, using her throat to hit the notes, she could not handle the dynamic changes of the song and she really needs to focus on getting off her nose and stop with that lazy diction. Some resonant well placed lower notes like A4's but overall it was alright. I'm not surprised though, this is truly Ariana's vocal level. She has developed registers, with bad placement and tension, no surprise there, but I still love her, I think she looked gorgeous and was adorable, but she needs to fix that placement and tension, the flat notes and runs were no big deal, they could be overlooked easily.
On a side note, let's take a listen to Ailee's cover of this song <3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBCnbz3X5QY
You didn't ask me, but I wanna share mine anyway!
1) Saving All My Love For You (ABSOLUTE favorite, her lovely head voice and belts just mix into one beautiful song! *orgasms*)
2) I Have Nothing
3) Why Does It Hurt So Bad
4) Try It On My Own
5) One Moment In Time
I do like "I Will Always Love You" but I prefer her other songs where she wrote and those songs meant something to her.
Albums... I haven't decided... But the one I listen to most is her debut album "Whitney Houston".
God bless you! I'm downloding that and archiving it. :p
Gave a listen to her song, this is the one I liked most!
"Who'd dare get on a stage with Patti Labelle?"
I had the exact same thught! lmfao!
I loveee this song..
LOL I am not quite following the logic but ....Happy Birthday dude! :-)
Nice picks!The Kimbra song's very cheerful and Dusty is a legend indeed!
Really? I thought Melissa was the one vocally doing the song the most justice tbh.
I loved every song on that album and rank it as one of the best urban contemp along with The Miseducation of Lauren Hill.
Ailee? LOL! I'd much rather listen to Ariana sing it than her, she's got the better voice. Ailee needs to stay her ass away from Whitney...foreal lol
Thanks. Yeah looking back it doesn't make much sense to me and all I can think is that it was a spur of the moment sort of thing. Oh well I'm young and I can afford mistakes here and there haha.
Im sure you guys have seen this several times already... But I just recently got the privalage of seeing this... See needed nothing but her voice and stage presents to allure the crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kmz1OQuu9U
peter 8 March 2014 at 05:15
i wonder what would other teen singers(demi,miley) would sound like covering whitney..
Joshua 8 March 2014 at 05:40
Apart from the underwhelming performance, is it just me, or are there A LOT of intonation issues? Maybe my ear is just really sensitive, but she was on the underside of the pitch on A LOT of her notes. I don't ever remember her having a pitch issue. Maybe she couldn't hear herself?
LOL I'd like to think at any age. ;-)
Josh 8 March 2014 at 05:45
Just out of curiosity, why are we able to hear her next to those other 4 singers, especially the great and resonant dramatic Patti Labelle (whose voice didn't sound nearly as large)? Not denying the truth of what you said, just curious.
...because the air made the chords vibrate which produced sound which is generally something that's heard???? lol
Yes, it's something called preference and individuality. Yes, I am weird. Problem? lol
Very true. We are all human after all. haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5yaoMjaAmE
Could you tell me what Ailee did wrong or worse than Ariana for you to put Ariana's version over Ailee's? I'm quite curious.
My theory is ..thanks to technology. I am pretty sure if it just had been air vibrating chords nobody not physically present would have been able to hear any of these ladies. ;-)
So am I. I thought this girl did way better than Ariana. In fact, seeing as I hate Whitney, I also preferred Ailee over Whitney. Felt more genuine emotion related to the lyrics from her.
(yes yes primo...I know your response to that argument. Just my taste bro! ;-) )
#DTK 8 March 2014 at 08:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HAxGqrNKEQ
Mariah Carey - Someday (Thanksgiving Concert 1993 Special)
This performance is absolutely perfect, her voice melts like butter and she shifts from register to register like it's a piece of cake, especially at the end...WOW :D And she looks really beautiful and THAT HAIR :D
No no Brian, that's not ''editing", that's ''producing"! ;-)
MEL 8 March 2014 at 08:43
When you say "belt" you mean using head voice right?
Devonte 8 March 2014 at 09:02
I LOVE THIS PERFORMANCE!!!
Everytime I watch it, I am stunned. How on earth his Woman managed to sound so incredible whilst singing in a stadium is beyond me.
No, have you seen this performance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nqVWm2XTjY
I agree, DD.
Mini, don't even get me started on Lauryn Hill and her LEGENDARY "Miseducation" album... LOL. But yes, I definitely agree.
She did better technically than Ariana, that's for sure, but I feel like there's something wrong to her voice. I don't wanna jump to the pool because I may be wrong, but I hear quite some tension in her voice when belting. Definetly not Aguilera-like, but it feels like she's pushing her throat to get more power. Also, IMO, the runs were a bit sloppy.
I'm sorry, LOL.
Anyway, Ricky, have you seen this performance before? She went from singing an energetic up-tempo (How Will I Know) to a slow-tempo ballad (The Greatest Love Of All), back-to-back, in the space of 10 minutes with flawless pitch & breath control and her ad-libs were stunning as per usual; her stage presence is so magnetic also, I have never seen a Pop singer so confident. This is why "Whitney Houston" was "THE GREATEST LIVE (FEMALE) VOCALIST" of her generation. Her live performances, completely, eclipse her studio recordings if I am honest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR9Spa7OUic
Guest 8 March 2014 at 10:41
LOL... She was crap!
Seeing as I do not look for such things as "tension in the voice" (I feel if it sounds good, whether a singer is giving herself a hard time by using improper technique is her business, it's her voice ) or "sloppy" runs or any kind of "runs" really...I liked her.
She pleased my ears and got the emotions of the lyrics across. The latter in my view entirely overrules some "sloppiness".
I am not saying btw I became a fan of Ailee. Just liking it better than the other two options.
I definitely didn't hear Christina in this tbh. Anyway I don't have the issues with Christina so many here have.
To me at her worst, she sounds terrible to my ears but at her best she sounds great.
Now let's take a Patti Labelle who's technique so many here rave about...woman 90% of the time sounds to my ears horrendous. Both in tone and in delivering the song. At least Whitney had a gorgeous tone but both singers are to me absolute failures in what I look for in a singer...delivering the emotion of the song.
But of course best are those who deliver on all three Tone, Technique and Telling the story. :-)
And in that light....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3PZolVbj6c
Sorry but no way! Streisand was better than Whitney. :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iF-zSPHwuM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oBKUIp1fKg
I was clearly speaking about Whitney Houston being "The Greatest Live (Female) Vocalist" of her generation: 1985 - 2000, I never said that Whitney was "The Greatest Live (Female) Vocalist" overall. Barbra Streisand & Whitney Houston are two, completely, different styles of singers (it's like comparing Chaka Khan to Karen Carpenter) nor did Barbra belong to Whitney's generation although she was musically active when Whitney's career debuted, gave splendid live performances and, of course, Barbra was one of Whitney's main influences.
I LOVE Ms. Streisand and she, along with Aretha Franklin, were undefeated during their primes & generational periods - 1965 - 1980.
I took "generation" to be career wise rather than age wise.
But if you are going to go age wise and only R&B 1985-2000..okay, I will give you that. :-)
Though during those years..I personally was way more impressed with Mariah.
btw if Streisand was one of Whitney's "main influences'', she kept that well hidden in her work.
Melissa was great but I had no idea who she was LOL so I held my tongue. I think Jill Scott had a strong start as well but for some reason she always holds back... That other girl with the gorgeous complexion (too lazy to scroll up to learn her name) also was decent but she didn't have any particular individuality behind her. Now Melissa has the most unique voice IMHO and also had presence for days. Patti just came out wailing like a banshee and my towel just had to be fanned. LOL.
Oh, I see. Well, they're both incredibly influential in their own right. Barbra's voice did last much longer of course; it is still intact today, at 71 years old, and has lasted her almost 2-and-a-half decades post her prime. All in all, Whitney will always be my favourite Pop (female) vocalist but Barbra, Mariah, Ella, & Aretha are my 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th favorites.
Whitney once said in a 1987 interview that Barbra was one of her "vocal idols" along with her Mother, Cissy Houston, Aretha Franklin & Ella Fitzgerald and that she learned how to "sing/phrase a lyric" from constantly playing Barbra's 'Classic' albums when she was younger.
Here she is at Barbra's (Iconic) 1986 concert - skip to 3:23:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2BQJF3YAfs
I think the arrangement of those entering the stage was not the best. Janelle and Ariana should not have been last since the former has a small to medium sound while the latter is just small.
Primo Uomo Assoluto 8 March 2014 at 13:16
A mouse trying to roar like a dragon
Without wanting to start another fight. The points you mentioned regarding your opinion are the reasons why I haven't considered you a logic-driven person.
Anyway, I do love Renee :) while there are others who find fault in her phrasing, considering it too "jazzy" for opera.
how dare you insult the crap anon
I agree. By the 90's Whitney was talking her way through the ballads when performing them live. Barbra always delivered, and just now in her 70's has a dryness appeared along with occasional (but not bothersome) intonation problem.
Waving my blacjack flag in the air. If their world tour is gonna be this turned up, when they come to the USA, I gotta bye me a ticket and get the fuck over to what ever arena is blessed with their presence. And yassssss this song is soooo stuck in my head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHb9FXfz8X8&list=UUnsQjCVzmEd-YvlQZbo6zCg
There's a recording of Monica Naranjo singing "One moment in time" from when she was 14, and she rips apart any of the idol, filipino or other girls who always sing Whitney songs.
I don't think you know what nasal actually means....
Riri, do what you do best and go turn tricks in some ghetto corner. Thanks.
LOL. OMG, you have to show this recording.WHere is it? I can't find it on YouTube.
I don't assume anything about them. I speak of experience, :) I think I've even shown you pictures. And in my experience, from what I have observed, they tend to be extremely effeminate gays (some of them mentioned wanting to transition to woman), of color, and of low socio-economic background - which counts for their constant use of ebonics and slang.
No love, criticizing their fave is not "courting" them. It takes a very mentally unstable group of creatures to fly into murderous rage because a celebrity is criticized.
DK 8 March 2014 at 13:41
She looks like Mariah now
LOL, that's true :) in radio pop most people simply expect a certain artificial perfection.
Mina from Italy giving one of the greatest vocal performances I've ever heard. Scat singing of the highest caliber, first class "pop" coloratura across nearly 3 octaves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jXYPsWdfNk
Well, they are really low resolution, super bit crunched, but it shows that Monica is truly one of the greatest since she was little. She used to perform at school festivals using the name "Wendy" (as it sounded vaguely like Whitney, one of her idols along with Mina and Aretha).
Here's her "I wanna dance with somebody"
https://soundcloud.com/anyello-vox-absolutus/monica-narajo-14-i-wanna-dance
And here is her "One moment in time"
https://soundcloud.com/anyello-vox-absolutus/monica-naranjo-14-one-moment
Sorry :( I tried to change the image of the clips, but it keeps showing my avatar. Anyway, just listen to them and tell me what you think. I'll delete them in a bit as the quality is too low though gives an impression of how good she was even back then
Impromptus are always the best. I didn't know Celine Dion could belt like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srV-qQouSkw
anon 8 March 2014 at 15:40
umm but why are president and audience chairs so near to the stage,i mean if in nervousness ariana had throw up it would be all over the audience
"One Moment In Time"
A song which clearly shows why Miss Houston is defined as "The Voice." Mammoth-like voice topped off with a silky smooth head voice. It's undeniable that Whitney mastered the human voice like none other. Her precise and perfectly executed head voice/chest runs were out of this world!
She's 14 here? Well shit.
"Nobody not phisically present". It means people that weren't there, like us. I doubt you could hear Patti singing from your house lol
That was... weird...
I agree as well, but I do think that during the 90's her vocal integrity/ styler changed or more so in my opinion suffered as she allowed Bobby Brown to influence her style or singing. However she still had the capabilities to sing in her original more elegant style if she desired regardless of smoke damage, out of her prime as shown her in 1999 performance of "There's Music In You"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BBgfG_CD_A
I'm confused about your comment...
The one with the gorgeous complexion is an Jamican Artist that one The Voice last season.She has a cover of "I Have Nothing" not the best but miles better than Grande
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNxp9j6Vczs
MarkB 8 March 2014 at 18:57
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9SoJlFCYAA0n0E.jpg:large
She should have covered it. LOL.
misty69 8 March 2014 at 19:25
she's trying to hard to let ppl know she's a vocalist! BYE FELICIA!
Yes she or Jill Scott are much better suited to pull of this before Ariana. I give Janelle credit to know enough to know her voice is not suited for big power ballads. Ariana on the other hand maybe under the illusion her voice is bigger than it b/c of the MC comparisions which I never understood.
Whitney was great, but there are others that matched/exceeded her.
Aretha, Ella, Barbra, Mina, and Caterina Valente, are greater singers.
Thanks Leith. That was indeed what I meant. :-)
I've heard recordings of Christina, Jessica Simpson, Celine Dion, etc singing Whitney songs when they were younger, and IMO they were not nearly as solid.
Responding merely to throw what, by all rights, I could consider an attempted insult my way, isn't exactly the way to "not start a fight".
Lucky for your supposed "not" intention...I do not tend to respond to such a remark by calling you all kinds of names based on imaginary aspects of your life,psychology,sexuality or personality. :-)
I didn't post that video of Renee to illustrate how the genre opera should be sung but as an illustration of what I personally consider a display of those three T's.
Yeah I've looked her up a few times. Her voice is truly titanic It's a bit much at times but I still think she's very talented.
I love the roof. I miss the days when Mariah would give a good mix of songs like this and "Anytime We Need a Friend." But the background vocals (Mariah and Kelly Price) are so perfect with a nice smokey affect. Mariahs voice blends well with heavy darker tones.
And what Natsu, is your comment all about?
And of course I criticize the opinions. That's what it was what Devonte posted...an opinion with which I disagreed.
Also ..sometimes you misunderstand my comments. As we see above. :-)
I would think I very clearly criticized Devonte;s opinion on the status of Whitney Houston in music history. And I did so , I would think purely on the opinion itself. There was nothing there "attacking" Devonte as a person.
I wouldn't even say i "attacked'' opinion. I merely disagreed with it. Until he became more specific, at which point I agreed.
Yes you do assume. But clearly you are absolutely blind to that fact.
I happen to know lots of women who have been sexually abused by men. Statistically one can safely state that a number of those men liked Whitney Houston.
Still, I am not going to call every man who comes here and expresses a liking of Whitney Houston, a rapist.
That is however what you are essentially doing...all the time.
As for why people "fly into a rage"...I still maintain that has more to do with your name calling and such, than with you criticizing Christina's vocal ability.
I think so because I have seldom seen such "flying into rage" responses when Christina was criticized by others here.
The "courting" therefor went not to you criticizing Christina's vocals but to everything you "flourish" that technical critique with.
I also btw do not intend to try for the umptieth time to explain to you how music or art in general is not a subject meant to be approached with pure logic.
BUT logic often requires that we check our personal opinion/taste at the door. From what I've seen in interactions with you, you don't do really do that.
How many straight men do you know that actually listen to Whitney Houston? Seriously.
I'm not saying all the people that like Christina Aguilera are pre-op transsexuals of color with either low education or severe mental problems, but a huge chunk of the most "militant" ones certainly are - The ones that I've encountered, that have harassed me and threatened me. And my point for bringing up their demographics is that they belong to handful of oppressed groups, so that would explain why they so easily live vicariously through a commercially successful white woman who shows a strong personality.
And if you notice, I "decorate" my critique of someone's technical ability in the same harsh manner always. It's not specifically directed at Christina :) I've even harshly criticized Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey, who are some of my favorites.
And it seemed you misunderstood my comment as well. :D
I was speaking in a generalized tone, encompassing your comments as a whole. You may not realize it, since it's online, that what you say may sound offensive to others so you have to be more with your usage of words, how you express your feelings, and etc. because there are some stupidly sensitive people in the world who do not understand the meaning of "freedom of speech." We mustn't forgot. :D In reality, I don't really care, just pointing out the obvious.
Fyi, "stratospheric mid-belts" contradicts itself.
Actually, I mostly discuss music on the net. Some of the people I happen to like and get to know beyond that and in that case I will eventually find out whether they are male or female, gay or straight or bi. But the vast majority...I have no idea if they are straight and male or not.
I also don't tend to discuss Whitney Houston outside of this blog.
Anyway, personal experience is not a solid argument. THAT was one of the points I made.
Especially not when you simply assume someone to be of a certain demographic and then proceed to use them as "evidence" of how many belong to said demographic.
I know you aren't saying "all Christina fans are pre-op transsexuals of color with either low education or severe mental problems". You just say that of any of them who dare to express their liking anywhere you might read it. :-)
There are millions of people who are avid fans of all kinds of people. For many different reasons. I have seen you express similar sentiments but just for other artists. look what you posted about Renee Fleming and how you then responded when someone dared to dislike Renee's singing!
Your "point for bringing up their SUPPOSED demographic" of Christina fans is to denigrate them so you can believe your opinion is worth more than theirs.
Even IF you were correct, they'd still be irrelevant at most of the moments you dragged them in.
And no, I never seen you use such supposed demographics in the same denigrating vein of those that express a liking of Mariah or Whitney while you were criticizing some of their vocals.
Often yes, but the appreciation of the arts...NOT one of those occasions.
No you weren't Natsu, you are responding with personal "attacks" (I put that between quotes because I am sure if I would say this to you, you would call it thus) because I criticize your favorite, fueled by earlier statements of criticism to other things dear to your heart.
And you can be flippant all you want but yes, I believe in Free Speech because I understand it's purpose. You are therefor free to express how you don't really think all that highly of it. :-)
Which is perfectly understandable and justifiable from your side since the thinking which leads to a fervent belief in free speech is the antithesis to the thinking of a religious person.
I really don't care lol
Btw yes 12 year old, this 50 year old knows a bit more of "the world" then you. Not having the same feelings about excessively long toes and how to respond to them...not the same as not being aware they exist. :-)
Really? You heard tension? I mean the problem with Ailee is she has the habit of pushing too much air through her cords at times, which make her sound slightly compressed, but she's still using proper support and placement and is very resonant, she's not exactly straining nor is she using her throat, she's just forcing a bit too much air through to perhaps make her voice sound bigger, which when someone does have a light voice, is an aid to create that effect. Although probably not the healthiest one. The runs sound just more tentative than really sloppy, like she's not 100% going for them so they sound timid and slightly unsure, which makes them a bit wrong.. do you know what I mean? Like they sound like uh uh is she flat or not, u cant hear it cuz the run is a bit on the shy side so it sounds wrong. That's what I felt, I did hear the runs a bit like mhmm that wasn't 100% there...oh wait I heard one where I was like, mhmm did she really think this through. LOL nvm then. but everything else, I just think she shouldn't push too much air.
Why would I care "dearly" about people (Christina, Demi, Tamar) I have never met? You need to understand the fact that you seemingly and intentionally attack users on this site just because of their opinion and when something that you THINK is incorrect, you bash at them which in itself is clearly immature. There's a difference between common sense and "Freedom of speech." Yes you have the right but does that mean you should abuse such a privilege? I understand clearly that I am religious and my beliefs drive what I do in life but that does not mean I should follow every single rule set in front of me because I know right between wrong. Now, I know what your next move is, "You're contradicting your belief! lol" I know things in life that you do not. I have experienced things you have not. I, unlike most people do not abuse my privilege but seek a life in which I use it correctly. You know things in life which I do not. You have experienced things in life which I have not. The big difference lies in the last statement. :D
Thank you for reading my little rant lol.
Crystal 9 March 2014 at 00:31
I think Beyoncé needs an update too
For someone with a passion for writing, I'd suggest caring.
Saying stratospheric mid-belts sounds as ridiculous as saying "scolding hot ice".
Too much for me lol
That was the reason I said I wasn't sure. She didn't seem to strain, but I felt like something about her voice was wrong. The runs, more than sloppy, were completely unnecesary IMO, I felt like they didn't really fit the song :S
Seeing a 12 year old say "I have experienced things you have not." to a 50 year old is one of the boldest, albeit ridiculous, things I have read on this forum, and THAT is saying something.
hahaha sorry lol.
Hey peeps, uhm, so I thought I would share this with you sincne this lady won a Swiss Music Award and she also happens to be my neighbour. Her name is Nicole Bernegger and she won "the voice of switzerland" last year. She was a HUMANGEOUS hype, but you know how it stands with casting stars. Anywho, I think she has a phenomenal old school voice and I'd just like you to listen to it and hear out your opinion :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTajjwJ2TO0
I deserved that LOL!
Even more technical! =D
My guess is, knowing her, that it was technically better (probably) but that girl is a far cry from great. She's hardly even good in my opinion. Her instrument is very limited, moreso than Ariana's. I just think that the song's calibre is beyond her league. I didn't even bother pressing play lol She simply isn't my cup of tea. She's VERY underwhelming & that's not a very conducive feat when tackling a Whitney song. Decent mid register. Upper register? Yah, no. If you can be honest with me, I JUST might consider watching it. On a scale of 1 to 10, how good was it? And I ain't trynna listen to no Karaoke version either lol
I consider "writing" an art form rather then something with ground-set rules. Writing can be in any form, don't worry about the grammar, spelling, etc. Beautiful "things" take time to bloom, and artform can be expressed in any form. If you worry about the grammar and spelling then you suck away all the fun from being metamorphic and crafting your own entity as an author.
True. That's just my own opinion, you may have a different opinion and that's true for you as well. :D
If you didn't know, there are kids, younger then 12 who have experienced cruelty like none other. Have you experienced that? Are you one person that encompasses every human being on Earth? Yes, as you age you experience more but never forgot, you don't experience everything. I respect Opie as an individual because she (I don't know your gender sorry) says what's on her mind and I like those types of people but one thing that I will forever loathe are those individuals who act as if they're living our lives. If it weren't for Opie, I would have never formed that shell as a writer because our first debate on Demi's Vocal Page actually got me to write but sometimes, I go on a seamless rant but I think she understands that and doesn't go crazy over that. And if I hurt her, then I' am sorry but dude, never, EVER, forget, you don't experience everything.
Maybe stratospheric was Natsu's way of saying that the mid belts are unbelievably phenomenal? I don't know lol But yah, it's a little odd considering their mid. But hey, it could possibly work. Nothing wrong with oxymorons haha :D
lol I loved that!
Celine: "I ain't scared of you (Starts belting G5's)
Aretha: "LOL Is that all you've got-"
Celine: (Starts going crazy)
Aretha: "KK... You can calm down now..."
Really good voice! This is the only Switzerland artist I've ever heard! lol
Mary Anne Genuncio Johnson 9 March 2014 at 03:20
I think Ariana could choose another song, like ''saving all my love for you'' or something around this era because Whitney voice was a little bit lighter in that time. '' I have nothing'' (or the era after the bodyguard film) is a powerhouse song, which requires a stronger voice or a mezzo to sing it. But she wasn't a complete disaster. I just think it was the wrong song for her. I saw her singing ''I believe in you and me'' and even this song fits her better. I think Ariana has a lot to grow and to find out the artist she is. Until now she sounds a lot like Mariah (not only the voice but her own songs have the same style). But that girl has talent! Other song that i think would be a better choice, is ''the greatest love of all''.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DftuqJZAoqk
UGHHH, that F5 though!!!! I always rewind that part. You could hear the pain. Oh Whitney, why you ='(
Stratospheric = high.
I don't doubt that's what he meant, I was just pointing out that the statement collapsed on itself.
"Savi............" let me stop you right there girl. Even during Whitney's beginning era, Ariana can't possibly compare to her. Even just the thought of that makes me cringe.
Spelling and grammar exist for a reason.
They allow your intentions to be known through your expressions.
Language is structured to allow expression and follows guidelines so that others may understand others clearly.
Writing is an artistic outlet that uses language as a medium, the greatest writings, the ones that are renowned and well known, even ones popular today, use proper grammar and spelling. Here's something that might be harsh to believe, most publishers won't take people seriously if their writing is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors. You don't see published stories out there that are like that, let alone popular or noted ones.
But feel free to your view, enjoy your bliss.
You didn't even watch the video, I see...You're still not telling me why you think her instrument is limited though, I'm really wondering why. I don't mind your opinion as long as you give me your reasons right? She didn't strain any note up until the highest in this song which is F#5 and the lowest is what? G3? She also did fine there. It's actually not karaoke either, because although it is very similar in arrangement, Ailee never was and is not a karaoke singer, she always changes melodies around, she's quite well known for having musicianship, so even in this video, she didn't do the song vocally with the same exact melody, she changed up some small parts here and there cuz I mean what else can you do? She even added runs which were not to Leith's taste but were her own. On a scale of 1 to 10? Honestly? I can't find anything besides some runs I didn't particularly like, so around a 9? You're welcome not to like her, that's perfectly fine. I know some good vocalists I don't particularly like either but I know they're good, you just don't need to act like she's bad or something without actually giving any reasoning to that, you don't have to like her, but you may very well acknowledge her ability. ^ ^
Yeah but I mean at least she wasn't karaokeing her way through the song so it was something, I agree though I didn't particularly like all the runs she didn't either.
Albrt Alvarx 9 March 2014 at 03:52
ariana wont be able to sing a whitney song from her prime because ariana's voice is not enough for; probably she is able to sing a 2000 - 2009 whitney song that are much accesible to her voice, probably i look to you, didn't know my own straight, or try it on my own, this last one, would be great!
I'm well aware, I frequently donate portions of my income to help said children, along with several other causes (lately transgender activist groups). Just last Christmas I helped to raise over a $1,000 for a family whose mother is dying of cancer, so that they could make this last Christmas one to remember, for the husband and the 3 children.
Also, you know nothing of my life and what I have been through.
You also don't need to.
I will just say that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy even a fraction of what I have had to deal with.
Remember your own words before you go throwing around statements like you did.
Chill dude. It's just a single comment! I don't think it's going to be published into a novel anytime soon.
You really need to read. When did I say I needed to know anything about your life? You're contradicting yourself in every single way possible. You list things that you've done for the good of others and say that you've went through a lot yet your comment before stated something totally different. This is what I was talking about. If you're trying to be like Opie, don't because you're messing yourself up. Let me give you a nugget of knowledge, never contradict yourself let alone the way you just did because you'll make a fool out of yourself. And... this too "Remember your own words before you go throwing around statements like you did." Remember this?
lol true
That was a good cover.
I really like her cover although that F5 sounded strained, correct me if I'm wrong. Who am I to judge when I can't and will never be able to cover a Whitney song. :D
PS: I want SoHyang to cover the same song!
You hate Whitney? :O lol
It's a quick note, it's slightly pushed but not strained lol
Oh but she did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YCdWxAsfZM
Thanks. Love SoHyang, subtle attitude, amazing voice, and one of the best vocalists I've ever heard.
I did not say you need to know my life, it was a general comment on the fact that you do not know my life. Why don't you hit the books yourself kid? "You're contradicting yourself in every single way possible" Way to bring in the hyperbole. Work those literary devices.
I considered addressing the rest of your post in detail, but seeing as I'm more concerned with watching "El Labertino del Fauno", I'll make this short.
1.) Cut down on the hyperbole. 2.) My comments don't contradict one another. 3.) Back up your statements, pointing fingers and saying something is one thing without explanation is just in the family of baseless name calling. 4.) I found your comment ridiculous because you automatically assumed yourself to been through more than someone with 50 years of life experience, without knowing anything about their life. 5.) While Opie and I do share similar personality trait, as we've said in conversations, I don't aspire to be Opie, I'm content with being me, as I'm sure Opie is as well :) 6.) Keep the nugget. 7.) Of course I do. I said it. I don't have early onset Dementia or Alzheimer's, pipe down.
8) Don't expect further response from me on this matter, I tend to drop things after 2-3 comments :)
This is how you DESTROY and make a song your own. My girl, SoHyang performs "I Have Nothing."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YCdWxAsfZM
I was already done. I tend to stay away from delusional and contradictory people. :D
I gave my reason: she isn't my cup of tea. Never did I say she was a bad vocalist, she isn't. However, she isn't great. An integral necessity in me liking someone more times than not is them having great instruments. She doesn't. I acknowledge Beyonce as an absolutely superb singer, no doubt. However, I just don't like her VOICE. Again, underwhelming. Regine Velasquez? Her technique is horrid but I really like her. Her voice, in my opinion, is probably one of the greatest to ever emerge. I make exceptions to those whom possess stellar instruments and wow me. Aile vs Charice for example. Ailee technically kills Charice, however, I believe Charice has the better voice of the two as it's more capable of doing things that I don't believe Ailee's can. Who do I prefer? Of course Charice. Ailee has come off as Karoke to me and she's never done anything particularly climatic to a song that made me gravitate toward her. Her musicianship is nothing to ever fawn over, ever.
Just listened to it by the way, it wasn't bad. Not necessarily karaoke. She did well melodiclly changing a few things here and there. Of course, as I anticipated, the upper note wasn't all that. But as I've said in earlier comments, the mid register is good and that was showcased well in that rendition. My issue with it? Anti-climatic. My favourite cover of it to date is still Leona's. She too, I believe, has a much better voice than Ailee. Ailee's one really good feat is the belting. Her melisma is decent, nothing complex. Head Head Voice, when it's used, is okay. Could be stronger. She doesn't have the best of agility there in the upper extremes. She seems to be limited ONLY to the 5th Octave. But then again most are. Her lower register? Ehhh, she's a Soprano. Hardly audible 'til around F#3/G3. Typical. Point in all of this? It seems VERY limited. She's not impressive to me. Nothing extraordinary about her as a vocalist. She is good, but again, not great (to me). I don't like her. Much rather listen to Ariana. She can wow you moreso than Ailee, I think.
DivaOfSoul 9 March 2014 at 05:47
Anyone else feel like the more successful ariana has got her technique got worse and worse
So Natsu's a he. Oh god, okay. Thank goodness that was clarified lol I didn't wanna be presumptuous 'cause although Natsu is commonly a girl's name - from what I've noticed in a lot of Animes anyway (And Soul Calibre) lol - I wanted to be certain. Thank GOD I didn't use the freakin' pronoun. YESSS! Anyway, haha. Mid Belts are widely considered high notes to people. Take for example a C5, when it's hit with a lot of resonance, it sounds excellent and "high" to people. It's a mid belt (to Sopranos) but it is somewhat high. There are Sopranos at my former school - and they ARE Sopranos, Lyrics - who cower in the face of a C5. As SOPRANOS. It's a stratospheric note for them, in full voice anyway. Not everyone is the same. A Mid Belt doesn't necessarily mean it isn't high for the singer, it depends on who it is.
Like I said, it is a bit of an oxymoron but it works. I wouldn't say it was nonsensical.
I agree, but I also love her sweet head voice a lot in her prime years. Saving All My Love For You had both the best she could offer, belts and head voice!
No doubt One Moment In Time was definitely one of her best songs, but my favorite is Saving All My Love For You.
Abnormal Polo 9 March 2014 at 06:07
She's sounds nothing like MC. Ariana voice is soooooo light she better singing WH songs out of here prime. That was a dope ass cover tho.
I know... She looked absolutely GORGEOUS also. :'(
However, Sasuke, have you seen/watched this performance - it's just another one of the many LEGENDARY live performances from Whitney's "Prime" archives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8DMDW_ZkrY
Riri 9 March 2014 at 07:56
Haha fair enough! Although I have to say as silly as it sounds I find using the C word rather empowering, its like using my female anatomy, for lack of a better phrasing, to bite back at others ;)
No thanks I'd rather take a dip in my pool or count the pearls on my new necklace in my kingsize bed in my two storey house babe :)
Yeah, that's true, Ailee at least bothered to change the melody a bit to make it her own. However, the main issue is that I don't like the song at all, so no version is gonna sound good to me lol Any other song this girl has sung?
Well she has sung a good amount of songs, it just depends on what song you wanna hear her sing? She's sung K-Pop songs, some Beyonce songs, don't listen to love on top though. She's sung Whitney songs, One Night Only... It really depends on what you wanna hear, not much comes to mind yet lol
Lilo 9 March 2014 at 11:48
Sick Karaoke singer...
This is the performance YOU consider to be "way more powerful" to the original? This is the performance that YOU consider to be a "real new interpretation" of the song itself? This is the performance that YOU think of to be a "beautiful rendition"?
LMFAO.
I am going to need you to provide & supply me with the 'LEGITIMATE RECEIPT' of Whitney, so-called, "praising" Christina and this dreadful version of the song? ; - D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTFKIm5fl3E
I remember once I saw her taking a walk with her children (btw she was pregnant all through the show) and she was calling her son... god that lady was belting at her child, it sounded so epic !
Btw watch this. Nicole opens the show with Goldeneye... can you stan for your own neighbour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UFM-JTt3lY
#Dreamfighter 9 March 2014 at 14:21
whitney never sung this song live... otherwise give me the live rendition of it. :)
et voila:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t29et1mcmm0
says everything. Whitney Houston knows it, babe. :D
Yes, because I paid attention in my science classes. I personally find it funny that stratospheric is used to denote "the highest level", but I'm not going to lose sleep because "exospheric" isn't tossed around instead. I also find it funny that you're trying to harp on me for stratospheric not being so high, but fully supporting one of its definitions to mean "of the highest level in a profession" in your case against me.
Stratospheric also mean "Extremely or unreasonably high", and is used to refer to high notes (typically 6th octave and above), in music (generally). Stratospheric in general is used to mean "extremely high" when used as an adjective, mostly in figurative expressions.
Anyways, have a nice day :)
LMAO. So if we are to go by your logic, just because Whitney's "live" audio/recording of the song hasn't been released, (because she sang it live once in 93' & 94' ) Christina's version is supposed to be the one from which we judge from?
Well, all in all, Christina's rendition was dreadful, especially from 1:40 onwards, and anybody with a musical ear would know this; she lacked any reasonable amount of breath control, she raised her larynx formidably which compromised any form of resonance whatsoever hence why her voice couldn't sustain the songs dramatic passages, she was straining as early as the first chorus and her pitch fluctuated throughout.
PLEASE SIT. ;-D
probably more disastrous than ariana did....
Again Natsu, you are talking down to someone older than you.
And like he says, we share certain personality traits,Seren and I. One of those would be a healthy ego. Neither of us desires to be like someone else.
But in many many other ways we are very different people. And btw both aware that our life experiences are very different, even if we both experienced plenty.
I had a similar urge, but I let it go because I feel that life will do it for me :)
I just find the idea of him thinking some perceived hardships have given him a clarity and understanding that matches that of an adult to be so.. stupid, to be blunt. I would like to know what he has been through to make him think this, as well.
yes. otherwise please give me a link. thank you.
omg. okay. it was bad. but it was bad as always. aguilera always sung this way. her whole career through. she doesn't have to suit a classical trained ear. for a pop trained ear its alright. i listend to much more horrible pop sound.
whitney herself gave credit. so who are you to know it better?
But anyway i accept your opinion. Have a nice day.
Likely it will. It has the habit.. ;-)

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Чарльз Мосс Дюк (; * 3 жовтня 1935) — астронавт США. Наймолодший з тих, хто побував на Місяці (Харрісон Шмітт народився на кілька місяців раніше). У квітні 1966 року він став одним з 19 осіб, відібраних у п'яту групу астронавтів НАСА. У 1969 році він працював у групі забезпечення польоту «Аполлона-10». Під час експедиції «Аполлона-11» Дюк виконував роль оператора зв'язку з екіпажем ().

Він був у складі експедиції «Аполлон-16», п'ятої висадки людей на Місяць. Загальна тривалість перебування місячного модуля на поверхні Місяця — 71 година 2 хв.

НАСА кар'єра

У квітня 1966 р. Дюк був одним з 19 обраних для НАСА п'ятої групи космонавтів. У 1969 році він був членом підтримки екіпажу астронавтів Аполлон-10. Він тоді служив CAPCOM для Аполлон-11, першої висадки на Місяць, де його відмінною Південний протяжний став знаком глядачам по всьому світу. Як CAPCOM, він став голосом управління польотами нервової довгим посадки, що майже витратив все паливо місячного модуля Орла. Знамениті перші слова герцога до Аполлон-11 екіпажу на поверхні Місяця були схвильовані: "Роджер, … Спокій, ми копіюємо вас на землі. Ви отримали купу посинілих хлопців. Ми знову дихаємо. Велике спасибі! "

Дюк був резервним пілотом місячного модуля Аполлон-13, однак незадовго до місії захворів на краснуху, заразившися від дитини свого друга, і випадково заразив основний екіпаж цією хворобою. Як у Кена Маттінглі не було природного імунітету до цієї хвороби, Меттінглі був замінений як пілот командного модуля Джека Суігерт. Меттінглі буде перепризначений як пілот командного модуля польоту Дюк, Аполлон-16.

Дюк служив пілотом місячного модуля Аполлон-16 в 1972 році, де він і Джон У. Янг приземлився на Декарта нагір'я і провели три виходи у відкритий космос, роблячи Дюк десята людина, що ступила на поверхню Місяця. Він також служив як резервний пілот місячного модуля для Аполлон-17. Дюк пішов з НАСА в грудні 1975 року..

Аполлон-16

Аполлон-16 (квітень 16-27, 1972 р.) був запущений з Космічного центру ім. Джоном Ф. Кеннеді і був п'ятим пілотований місячний десант місія. Екіпаж складався з Джона У. Янг як командувача, Кен Меттінглі як пілот командного модуля, і Дюк, як пілота місячного модуля. Аполлон-16 був першим наукова експедиція для огляду, обстеження та зразки матеріалів і особливості поверхні в Декарта області міцний місячних. Джон Янг приступили до тодішнього рекорд настройки місячної поверхні перебування 71 годин і 14 хвилин, маневруючи місячний модуль «Орейон» до посадки на грубих Келі рівнин. В трьох наступних екскурсій на місячну поверхню, він реєструється 20 години 15 хвилин у відкритий космос, пов'язаних з їх установки і активації наукового обладнання і експериментів, збору майже 96 кг каміння і ґрунту, а також оцінку і Використання «Ровер-2» над грубою поверхні ще зустрічаються на Місяці.

Інші Аполлон 16 досягнень включені найбільший корисне навантаження розміщений на місячній орбіті 34 595 кг; Перший детектор космічних променів розгорнуті на місячній поверхні; Перший місячний обсерваторія з дальньої УФ камери; Місія Аполлон-16 був укладений з приводнення Тихому океану і подальшого відновлення на «Тикондерога» ().

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Across Distance, Across Cultures
Written by Whitney Rich '20
Having spent her first semester at Whitman College taking classes from her home in Nairobi, Kenya, it wouldn't have been surprising if Stacy Wamuchii felt apprehensive traveling to a new country and embarking on her in-person college experience for the first time—especially during a pandemic. But when Wamuchii stepped off the plane in Seattle, she wasn't a bit nervous. Clutching tightly to her list of U.S. phone numbers—which included the number of Whitman alumna Kirsten Adams Gable '01—Wamuchii knew there was a strong support network ready to help her at a moment's notice.
"Even when I was traveling, I wasn't really scared about coming to college, because I felt like I already had built a community and I knew where I would get support," says Wamuchii.
Common Interests
Gable and Wamuchii first connected in the summer of 2020 through a program that brought together alumni and first-year students. The program, developed in response to the need to welcome an entire class of Whitties virtually and managed by many student support services on campus, paired alumni and students based on common interests, geographic locations and more. More than 130 first-year students and 70 alumni signed up and were paired.
Kristen Adams Gable '01
Gable, a biology major and environmental studies minor, has continued to be involved with the college since graduating. When the Alumni Office reached out to the alumni network to garner volunteers, she eagerly accepted. Gable and Wamuchii began chatting over video calls before classes started in August and continued their conversations throughout the fall semester.
"For Stacy, it was not just a transition to college, but a transition into a whole different culture," Gable says. And as Wamuchii prepared to come to the U.S., their conversations shifted.
Their discussions would often begin by talking about the Whitman campus, but would veer to other relevant topics, current events and holidays happening during the fall semester. "We talked about how voting works in the United States and Stacy would share how voting works in Kenya. We had these wonderful conversations, getting to know each other."
Growing Connections
The periodic chats strengthened Wamuchii's connection to her college and served as a reminder that, although thousands of miles apart, the Whitman community was her community too.
"I was able to feel like I was part of the Whitman community even when I was still in Nairobi, doing my everyday things, I would still know and be reminded: 'Oh, I am part of the Whitman community,'" says Wamuchii.
Gable and Wamuchii were connected by their shared interests in biology and environmental studies. After Whitman, Gable worked for an environmental consulting firm. In 2003, she and her colleagues started their own firm, Sapere Consulting, which integrates organizational and digital transformation and energy solutions.
"Just being able to hear about what Kirsten does now and what school was like for her, taking biology classes and then studying abroad in Australia, it's also prepared me toward what I want to do," says Wamuchii. "I now know that these opportunities exist. It was a way of informing me what Whitman has to offer without directly listing everything."
While their connection started at biology, it didn't stop there. Throughout the fall and winter, Wamuchii and Gable talked about different student affinity groups and programs at Whitman, the first-year seminars and more. Gable encouraged Wamuchii to check out the Outdoor Program (OP), telling her that she wished she'd been more involved with the many trips and leadership opportunities it offers. Wamuchii now works in the OP's rental shop.
Stacy Wamuchii
Wamuchii says she appreciates the perspective that Gable has as a Whitman alumna. "I think that the best person to explain Whitman is somebody who has been to Whitman. They have an idea of their own student experience, even if it is from 20 years ago, I feel like it is still relevant and important."
A Sense of Belonging
Prior to Wamuchii's arrival on campus in January, Gable introduced her to another international student she mentors, senior geology major Sharon Ndayambaje, and the trio held what Wamuchii cheerfully named their "family Zoom call."
Ndayambaje, who is from Rwanda, was eager to share tips and insights from her own experiences. Wamuchii found Ndayambaje and Gable's advice on packing—particularly how to pack and dress for cold weather—very helpful.
"Sharon told me, 'When it snows a lot, it will fall into your shoes, so you need tall boots.'" And when Walla Walla got multiple feet of snow this February, as Ndayambaje had predicted, Wamuchii was prepared.
Wamuchii's connections with Ndayambaje and Gable, along with Whitman's International Student Support Services programming—which covers everything from how to set up a bank account to getting a campus job—all contributed to her confidence and comfort as she arrived on campus to start her second semester in person.
"I was imagining one day, if all these meetings did not exist, how would I be feeling about coming to Whitman?," Wamuchii says. "I think I would be really scared and full of fear to come to Whitman in my first few weeks. Because, often, you're not sure what to do, but, just having the confidence that you've talked to people before makes you feel like you belong."
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