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Danes Claim that Family Executions Have No "Honor"
Posted on July 14, 2006 by Baron Bodissey
The following is a news report from yesterday's Jyllands-Posten, kindly translated for Gates of Vienna by Zonka:
Brother Is Prevented 'Honor Killing' His Sister
A courageous big brother — and an attack on him — have possibly put the police in Elsingore onto the trail of a failed 'honor killing' within the Pakistani community.
The police opened the case after jailing two friends of the brother's family. Among other things, these arrests will send a signal to the people involved, and to threatened women, that such behavior is not tolerated.
The older brother told the police that last year in July or August, he was ordered to kill his little sister by his seventy-one year old father because she wanted out of her arranged marriage. He refused and instead allied himself with his younger sister.
"He was subjected to extreme pressure to perform the killing, but he wouldn't have anything to do with it," says Henning Svendsen, Crime-Inspector in Elsingnore.
On June 9, he was assaulted in Birkerød by a gang of seven or eight people. The forty three year-old brother was hit with clubs and cricket bats; his wife, who is the same age, was also beaten when she tried to stop the assault.
Within 24 hours, the victim's father and two brothers-in-law — aged forty-one and thirty-six — were arrested.
Last week another forty one year-old male was arrested for being a part of the gang that assaulted the brother. And with the arrests on Thursday of two more men — ages forty-two and thirty-seven — a total of six people have been detained.
The last three men arrested are friends of the family, and in addition to these the police are looking for yet another man. He is assumed to be outside of the country.
The seventy-one year old father has been charged with being an accomplice to murder, while the others are held on charges of dangerous violence, and all will be held in custody until July 27.
Names and minutes from the court sessions have been kept confidential, and the court sessions have been held behind closed doors (without public attendance).
When Henning Svendsen, the Crime-Inspector in Elsingnore, talks about the case despite its confidentiality, he intends to send a signal to those areas where 'honor killings' could take place.
"It is unbelievable that somebody is planning such deeds while the 'honor killing' case from Slagelse is running in the media. We also want to send a strong signal to these people that such behavior will not be tolerated. We also want to send the signal to women who could have been subjected to similar threats, that we do not tolerate it," says Henning Svendsen.
This second example of Danish refusal to follow any longer the Orwellian multi-cultural "tolerance" for cruel and dysfunctional practices among Muslim immigrants may be the tipping point. It may be the death knell for homicidal behaviors in the cultural sink that is commonplace among so many of the Islamic ghettoes that are filling to the brim all across Europe.
Denmark's authorities are saying "Enough!" and they are saying it loud and clear. Loud enough even for the impaired hearing of those Muslims who refuse to learn Danish, who refuse to look for work, who live on the generosity of the Danish taxpayer — the same Danish taxpayer they look down upon with contempt.
See Queen Margarthe's book. And then look at poor Queen Elizabeth's once-great island. There, young Muslim women simply disappear and the police look on helplessly. Or they look away. What else can they do without the backing of government and monarch?
It is past time for the Queen of the United Kingdom to insert her age-old magisterial authority into a situation that impinges on Britain's survival.
Hat tip: commenter Phanarath.
28 thoughts on "Danes Claim that Family Executions Have No "Honor""
Old Peculier on July 14, 2006 at 9:36 pm said:
And then look at poor Queen Elizabeth's once-great island. There, young Muslim women simply disappear and the police look on helplessly.
Er, hardly.
Honour killings are regularly prosecuted. See here for example.
In fact, as I understand it, the police have received special training on honour killings, as opposed to other types of killings.
Where I wish they would go as far as Denmark is on prosecuting other family members who collude – and other family members nearly always do – as part of the same crime.
However, as I often say on Jihadwatch, I wish American posters, when talking about the UK – about which there is much to criticise – would make some attempt at getting just a few of their facts right.
Dymphna on July 14, 2006 at 10:19 pm said:
Old Peculier (nice idea to name yourself after a Yorkshire ale –? Theakston's?)
I can understand your dislike of those who are concerned about the UK's honor killing problem. However, complaining about our reporting it isn't going to change the fact that it is dangerous to be a Muslim woman in the UK.
I have two excerpts here, but just google some variation of "honor killings in the UK" or "unsolved honor killings UK" and see what you come up with. It's not pretty.
Here's one report, originally from Yahoo news, that aged out and is no longer available as a link:
In the UK, police estimate that 2 Muslim girls per week go missing, forcibly repatriated to their countries to be murdered by relatives for refusing to marry the men chosen for them. Meanwhile, genital mutilation of young girls in the EU continues. Some more troubling stats: in the UK, Muslim women have a suicide rate FOUR times the indigenous average.
Nazir Afzal, director of Britain's Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in west London where there is a large south Asian community, says there have been at least a dozen honor killings in the country in the past year. "And murder is just the tip of the iceberg," he said. "There are other crimes, like rape, abduction and physical violence, which we would consider steps on the stairway to murder." …
Reunite, a charity which campaigns to stop child abduction, estimates that around 1,000 British Asian girls are forced into marriage each year [some brides rebel, prompting the honor killing, RvB]. Between a third and a half are minors. …
London's police [have] set up a task force to tackle the issue and it is re-examining over 100 unsolved murder cases to see if they may have been honor crimes, even though they were not recognized as such at the time.
…"I've certainly seen more cases of honor crime since July 7 [the day of the London subway bombings]," said Afzal. "When communities perceive themselves to be under threat they tend to turn in on themselves, regardless of whether that perception has any basis in fact. They try to restore and reinforce their own social norms. They put pressure on their own members to conform, and if they don't conform there is sometimes some kind of retribution."
Next time you hear a blanket statement about Islam being a "religion of peace," remember Rukhsana Naz, Heshu Yones, and thousands of other young women who were unceremoniously butchered like worthless pigs — utterly abandoned by friends, neighbors, and relatives who, even after the fact, preferred looking the other way to turning in the callous murderers.
And from Tech Central Station:
In the cases in Britain in which a girl refuses to go to Pakistan and meet her new "husband", she is often bundled off to Pakistan anyway, but never comes back. When teachers become concerned and make enquiries, the parents claim she's "staying with relatives" in some remote village. Most often, she is dead. Exporting Muslim girls to murder them in the comfort of their own culture is not uncommon among Muslims in Britain and saves a lot of bother with the police.
But despite the conspiracy of silence, the one-way overseas trips and cover-ups, police estimate that there are 117 "honor killings" still unsolved in Britain. According to London's Daily Telegraph, Scotland Yard, announcing an initiative, said there is "growing evidence that women in the Asian community [British media code for Muslim] are being subjected to violence and sometimes murdered for defying cultural traditions."
And then, there is my main point: the Queen of Denmark has spoken and written forcefully about the Muslim refusal to assimilate in Denmark. Her cousin in the UK should do the same. It would raise the morale of her subjects and of her police officers, who have a rough go of it. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Can you explain to me why Queen Elizabeth maintains silence in the face of this cultural destructon?
pacific_waters on July 14, 2006 at 10:22 pm said:
When they begin executing "honor killers" then and only then will they have said "enough".
Old Peculier on July 14, 2006 at 11:08 pm said:
Glad you recognised the beer.
Queen Elizabeth does not speak about politics at all. That is not her role. Prince Charles does, however, and I think he is the one who should address these issues.
Yes, there are enormous problems in the Muslim community with their treatment of women. But to imply that the police look away is quite wrong. They do their best. And when these cases come to court, there has not to date been any instance of making allowances for "culture". Honour killings have been treated as murder pure and simple on every occasion.
I think it should go further, and that "honour killing" should be recognised in law as a kind of aggravated murder.
But this is not a matter for the Queen. It is a matter for Parliament.
I can understand your dislike of those who are concerned about the UK's honor killing problem.
Twaddle. I too am concerned about the UK's honour killing problem, as are our police and many of our MPs.
What I dislike is sweeping generalisations made by Americans and other foreigners who have very little knowledge of what they are talking about.
Phanarath on July 15, 2006 at 12:44 am said:
What Queen Magrethe said, wasnt politics. Like the Queen of England, our Queen dosnt involve herself in politics.
She made a moral statement. Same as if she said, that people shouldent steal or that we should be kind to other people.
Here on GoW, you are wery kind to the danes, and that is allways nice to read. I do however agree with Old Peculier, as I inteprete what he wrote.
it can get iritating to read, when people say stuff like "England, France or Europe is lost to Islam, Dhimmified or whatever". We all have the same problem or are soon going to get it. All over the west, sensible people are worried.
Its an extra pain to be called out, as having lost allready, just becouse we share space with people, who dont have a clue.
If the west falls, some places will fall before others. There realy isnt any reason for the last places to fall to laugh to hard at those who fall first. I dont meen anyone here is doing that, but it happens.
By the way Old Peculier, what does "Twaddle" meen.? Wonderfull word, that I have never seen before.
Zonka on July 15, 2006 at 3:13 am said:
Old Peculier wrote: What I dislike is sweeping generalisations made by Americans and other foreigners who have very little knowledge of what they are talking about.
Generalizations happens when you don't have all the facts or is trying to make a point in simple terms… Deal with it it happens all across the board, and if the generalizations are based in faulty facts then help by providing information that will set the matter straight. You have a voice here, use it to make us aware of what we are missing from the picture.
Old Peculier on July 15, 2006 at 5:58 am said:
Phanarath – "twaddle" means "nonsense", or "rubbish". It is a good word, I agree.
I'm female, by the way, though "Old Peculier", a beer, is not a very feminine name, so it is understandable that you thought I was a man.
I post at Jihadwatch as "Interested", and also at the New English Review as "Mary Jackson". Perhaps I have been reading JW too long, but I get fed up with Americans saying Britain is lost to dhimmitude, often on the base of a story that turns out not to be true about piggy banks being banned somewhere. Most American posters there confuse what is written in The Guardian and the BBC with what ordinary people think. This is the equivalent of us thinking that you all think like Michael Moore or Ward Churchill, and is perfectly ludicrous. American posters also tell us that the British National Party is our only hope, despite having no knowledge of these neo-Nazis, and they continue to hold to this position when confronted by the extensive knowledge and direct experience of UK posters.
So yes, sweeping generalisations do not help. In this particular case, the implication was that the UK does nothing about honour killings. That is absolute nonsense. As I said above, honour killings are regularly prosecuted, treated as murder like any other killlings with no "dhimmi" allowances for "culture" and the police have recently begun to treat this as a special category of murder and set up a task force to deal with it.
Irritatingly they use "Asian and African" when such killings usually happen in Muslim communities. (They do happen among Hindus and Sikhs too.)
I'm not sure that it is the job of the Queen to speak about this, but there are plenty of other people who should be. Tony Blair for instance. Some do, notably Anne Cryer, Labour MP for Keighley.
old peculier, you're right sweeping generalizations doesn't always work! But as an outsider it is hard to know all the facts and background information and given the stories coming out of the U.K. it is hard to see anything else than a society under a constant Islamic barrage and with politicians, police and other authorities running around without a clue as what to do about the situation other than trying more and more appeasement. (e.g. arresting peaceful anti-muslim demonstrators in a demonstration for support of the Danes, but nothing against the muslims with very vile messages in the anti-cartoon demonstrations. Inviting muslims to be privy to sensitive information in terror investigations. The ongoing blatant pro-palestinian and pro-islam bias of the Guardian and the BBC. Prince Charles flirtations with Islam. The disasterous secret pact between the MI6 and Islamists causing them to have a free haven in Britain without surveillance. and the list goes on). With information like this coming out of Britain it is hard to see anything else than a society that is slowly collapsing and doesn't seem to have a clue about how to get out of the mess it is in.
If I'm wrong, and I would love to be proven wrong… then please enlighten me and others. I would hate for Britain to lose this battle against Islam! The alternative is rather scary!
Dymphna on July 15, 2006 at 9:06 am said:
Generalizations made for the point of comparison are not "twaddle" and to use a reductio ad absurdum to make your point doesn't strengthen it.
Come to think of it, *no one* is as good at sweeping, condescending generalizations about Americans as are the Brits (not even the French). Lord knows I listened to them at the dinner table often enough, and met visitors who all thought they were de Tocqueville come to set us Yanks straight about health care, guns and crime, etc., and how much better things were in the UK.
I take my cue these days from the dysphoric Theodore Dalrymple, who has moved from Britain to France to get away from what he sees as an unhappy and dysfunctional place — though I am not as severe about it as he is.
The UK site Civitas has a pdf file titled "The Failure of Britain's Police." Civitas is not on the same plane as The Guardian.
I am familiar with the Guardian's slant, given the fact that one of their journalists is a known terrorist and it was he who was the reporter on the Pakistani schoolgirl whose cause Mrs. Blair took up…and the PM's wife's behavior here is just another example which makes my point.
There is no law forbidding the Queen or any member of the royal family from speaking on affairs which affect the country. And the demoralization of the populace is one case where her subjects would be happy to hear from her. It is not making policy to say, as Margrethe did, that people who come to her country should assimilate and that people should help them do so. In fact, M. said that it was her fault, and the Danes' fault, for "being lazy" about making sure assimilation took place. I admire anyone willing to shoulder part of the blame.
Aside from Civitas, or Anthony Daniels or Mark Steyn, there are many outspoken people in the UK who are lamenting the decline…and they often follow it with "but I won't be here to see the final curtain so what does it matter?"
Such an attitude is sad…
And the fact that someone is setting up a "task force" is a sure sign that nothing will change. Having mis-spent my time on a few of these committees, I know the scope of their impotence. They are simply devices for keeping things the way they are…unless of course, this particular task force was given the teeth to actually implement the changes it will suggest…
1. In fact Muslims were arrested for protesting the cartoons. The case against one has been dropped for lack of evidence, but the others are facing public order charges. Non-Muslims were not arrested, though, disgracefully, one was threatened with arrest.
2. Society under a constant Islamic barrage? What does this mean? Nothing.
3. Yes, the BBC and the Guardian are biased against Israel, but the Times, Telegraph and tabloids are not.
4. Prince Charles preaches a woolly multiculturalism and is a left over hippy who, as I have pointed out, believes in coffee enemas. However, there is no evidence of any conversion to Islam.
5. Our intelligence serivices have their faults, but they have foiled a large number of Islamic terrorist plots. You don't get to hear about those, certainly not on your side of the Atlantic.
So yes, while there are problems in the UK that should not be underestimated, the wild generalisations that come out of the US are just plain silly, and, to be honest, smack of Schadenfreude.
*no one* is as good at sweeping, condescending generalizations about Americans as are the Brits
Ha ha. And that isn't a sweeping generalisation?
How do you know that the police task force on honour killings is useless? Answer, you don't. You assume it. If honour killings are prosecuted you assume that there are a lot of them, so it can't be working. If none come to court, presumably you would assume that they were all being covered up.
Either way, the UK is rushing headlong into dhimmitude and there is no hope for us.
Has Bush spoken out about honour killings in the US – and they happen there? No? Well that must prove … er…what exactly?
It means a great deal, if the society isn't taking proper steps to stop such barrage, otherwise the pressure will increase until society eventually buckles under. And with the British immigration rules more muslims can always be imported to step up the pressure. And what steps are the British authorities taking to stop the barrage?
Don't know about the tabloids, but the only one that seems to be somewhat consistent in being critical of Islam, muslims etc. is the Telegraph (judging mostly from the editorials).
Perhaps not a conversion (that would ruin his chances of becoming King completely) but appeasement galore, and the multiculturalism is a strategy that will break down any society, history have shown that over and over again.
I agree about immigration – in fact I think we could follow Denmark in this respect too – severely restricting importation of foreign spouses. I'd ban all Muslim immigration full stop.
Our Queen does not talk about these things. No law against it, but it is not the way we do things. However, the judge in this recent honour killing case, and judges in other cases have made some robust statements. These reach everybody as we have national newspapers here with wide circulation. But I think politicians should speak out more. And if the Queen did say something it would be good.
The Times is also critical of Muslims, though not consistently so – it depends who's writing.
The Sun and The Mail are not exactly fond of them. You must have read Melanie Phillips.
We should be on the same side. I'm a great supporter of most things American. Not all things, obviously – your football is barmy. I just think that constructive suggestions rather than wholesale condemnation, are the way forward.
dick on July 15, 2006 at 11:17 am said:
Denmark: where would we be without you?
Thank god there is one European country that still operates from a context of right and wrong, rather than laissez faire multiculturalism.
As an Englishman, who regards himself proudly first as a European, and is living in the US: I am aghast at what is happening to many countries in my home continent. Tolerance of the intolerant; stigmatization of traditional national values as 'racist' and 'colonialist'; discrediting 'our' religions while protecting 'theirs' from being offended by the mildest of criticisms. Meanwhile a racist and colonialist empire organized around a fanatical religiosity is slowly building power amongst you. Meanwhile, bullies are intimidating those leaders who've lost belief in the legitimacy of defense against cultural attack.
Brave, good Denmark. Bravo.
Cindi on July 15, 2006 at 4:01 pm said:
Dick, you're an Englishman who regards himself proudly first as a European? Why in the world would you not identify yourself as a proud Englishman?
Mr. Spog on July 15, 2006 at 6:20 pm said:
Old Peculier—the reason some Americans think the only hope for the British is the BNP is probably that there is a gaping hole in the spectrum of political parties, between the BNP and the pro-multiculturalist Tories. Perhaps the ordinary British people don't think like the Guardian and the BBC, but in that case these ordinary people seem to lack political representation. (Though this is not a problem unique to Britain.)—Mr. Spog, Canada
the reason some Americans think the only hope for the British is the BNP is probably that there is a gaping hole in the spectrum of political parties, between the BNP and the pro-multiculturalist Tories.
Also the fact that they haven't the first clue what they are talking about.
If I said the only hope for the US was the KKK, would that make any sense?
Phanarath on July 16, 2006 at 1:19 am said:
What we need in Europe is more rightwing goverments.
For the last 6 years, we had a rightwing gorverment in Denmark, while Sweden had a Socialist one. And the differences are becomming more and more clear.
Socialist goverments cant handle muslim emigration, simply becouse they wiew emigrants as culturaly handicapt people who has to be taken special care of. This is especialy problematic with many muslims, becouse it fits with their own idea, of being special people that should have special rights over non muslims.
The muslims will keep screaming for more and more special treatment, and the socialist will keep trying to solve the problems by using more and more resurses on the muslims.
The Socialist are not realy dhimmified. They just look at the muslims, as being sick in a way. Then they try to give them what they ask for, hoping it will make them better.
But when people compare hov different contries are doing, a picture should become more and more clear. Socialism combined with Muslim emigration is a terible mix. Then we will see more and socialist goverments fall in europe, and hopefully things will start getting better.
phanarath,
You're correct that Denmark have had a right-wing government for the last 6 years, but it wouldn't have made much difference if it hadn't been for the Dansk Folkeparti (Danish People's Party), who singlehandedly have been able to put immigration and muslims on the public agenda in a way so that no party in Denmark could avoid the issues without losing at the elections. Without the DPP the other right-wing parties would have ignored the situation and quite likely have acted like most other European politicians. Just look at how a lot of politicians from both the Conservative party and Venstre are pining for a VKR (Venstre-Conservative-Social Liberal) government, which would be a very bad thing for Denmark, because of the Social Liberal's (Radikale) multi-cultural bias.
As for whether the socialists are dhimmified or not it doesn't really make a difference what label you stick on them the end result is the same, their policies end up spending the country's wealth on the muslims, don't force them to integrate, open the floodgates for more to come into the country and press on with harmonizing Danish immigration policies with the lowest common denominator of EU (and hail that as a victory!) So if they walk like a duck, quack like a duck… it really doesn't matter what you call it… it's pretty obvious what it is!
And lastly I don't think that the socialists consider the muslims as handicapped, but they have certainly bought into the victimology of the muslims, and the collective guilt complex of the West… thus obligating them to help these poor victims of Israeli, and Western oppression. And the fact that they share the same arch-enemy USA and Bush in particular makes them the perfect ally (q.v. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend").
In the end analysis the enemy isn't so much Islam, the enemy is the decay in our own societies… The multi-culturalists which goes deep into European right-wing parties, the socialists who seem quite intent on breaking down national states (replacing them with non-democratic structures such as EU) and the dumbing down of the public by the politicians, MSM and intelligensia and the pervasive influence of political correctness! If our societies weren't rotten at the core, Islam wouldn't be a threat to us, now that it is… Islam is a mortal enemy!
Zonka
Everything you write is very inteligent and well informed. You are right about Dansk Folkeparti. The gorverment couldent have done much without them. I dont think they could have done much had they had the majority alone. They simply wouldent have had the guts to go against mainstream, the way Dansk Folkeparti forced them to.
I think however thats its important to see the differences on the left. What you discribe, is definatly there. But I think it only covers a minority of the left.
I remember with the expansion of EU to the east, there was a lot of trouple with people being worried about losing jobs to workers from the east. As far as I remember, that was mostly leftwingers protesting. And those where the leftwingers, that wasnt covered in your discription. The non akademic left, the traditional working class people.
Those leftwingers have no hatred for USA, Israel or the West. Most of them consider themselves many times better then any Muslim. If they want to help them, and its becouse they consider them to be weak, and unable to handle themselves. And had they been asked they wouldent have wanted them to come in the first place.
The reason why I think this is so important, is that I think a huge part of the left can be won over. But they will not be won over by calling them Dhimmies.
If you tell them, that they are out to destroy the west and that they cant wait to live under Sharia. Then they are going to think, that you are nuts. And then they are going to think, that everything else you say must be nuts also.
Just think about Dansk Folkeparti, they didnt get their voters from the rightwing parties. Most of their voters came from the left. From the part of the left, that I am trying to discribe here.
The akademic-left tried to stop people from going to DF, by demonising them, called them Xenophopic & rasist. But it backfired at them, and they have been pretty much in the defense ever since.
We shouldent make the same mistake. We shouldent demonice the left. Its only going to close the ears of those that would othervise hear us.
The Muslims will whether they like it or not, be a huge help in making people see whats going on. Its in their nature to make trouple. There will be more and more absurdities in the future. More and more people will see whats going on.
The left you discribe is real. But I think it might be less then 10 %. They just make a lot of noise, and have been succesfull in controling the agenda.
I don't think you should demonize anybody, however, you should hold people accountable for what they have done. And I certainly disagree that I'm only describing 10% or less of the left. It all depends on how you define left… if you use US terms the left starts within the ranks of Venstre and Conservatives and continues all the way to Enhedslisten. The remaining parts are populists (DPP) and centrists. The left I'm (mostly) talking about is the Social-liberals, Social Democrats and SF and Enhedslisten (about 47% of votes in last election). Some Social Democrats can possibly be won over, but most of those who could are now found in the ranks of DPP voters… The rest they are caught in the spin of their own ideology… they have been forced open their eyes to some of the problems with muslim immigration, but they are oblivious to the root causes. They see the problem as an internal and domestic problem, in the sense that muslim immigration is not the problem, it is how we treat the muslims once they get here… in other words we have to change to accomodate them, if they won't integrate that's our fault, and who are we to say that our ways of doing things are better than theirs, the list goes on ad nauseam.
So while they might not be dhimmis in the original meaning of the word, they certainly are acting like ones and reaching far into the current government. And I don't think that it will hurt to point that out not to demonize but to explain and put things into the proper context. And as to closing their ears, I think it's too late for that for most as they have already made their mind up… See in their mind Fogh is a puppet of GWB, DPP is a neo-nazi party under influence of some dark unenlightened priests, and Denmark is lost because we're participating in the war against terror in Iraq and Afghanistan… But most of all because they see the problems with Islam as a domestic problem, with the Danes being the problem that is!
We certainly do. Muslims in particular live off the taxpayer. Cutting welfare benefits – and only a right wing government will do this – is a good way to discourage immigration, and also to force the Muslims that are already here to get off their a*se and work, which will give them less time to plot jihad.
Yorkshireminer on July 16, 2006 at 1:49 pm said:
What ever hapened to Mogens Glistrup and the Fremskrit Party, sorry about the spelling but I have not spoken or writen Dansk in 30 years?
Zonka on July 16, 2006 at 3:02 pm said:
Yorkshireminer,
Mogens Glistrup is no longer active in politics after having lost too many battles both political and legal. He was the first politician though to warn about the Muhammedan danger, but he was too early and he became the laughing stock of people. And he is now an old man in poor health. Fremskridtspartiet is no more, only the faction with Pia Kjærsgaard that broke away and formed Dansk Folkeparti (DPP).
Phanarath on July 16, 2006 at 4:26 pm said:
Yorkshireminer
Mogens Glistrup is still alive, but he dosnt involve himself in the puplic anymore. "Fremskrits Partiet" split do to some internal disagrements, and "Dansk Folkeparti" was formed – About 15-20 years ago, I think. Fremskrits Partiet still being Nationalistic/Ultraliberal, and Dansk Folkeparti Being Nationnalistic/Social Democrats.
About 10 years ago Glistrup went out in puplic and said, that we should get rid all Muslims, and that they where only here to kill us all. Those that wouldent leave by themselves, should roundet up. And some he said could posibly be sold as slaves. F.eks. if a country in southamerika could use a 100 little girls, them we could sell them to them.
Everyone was offcouse shocked by the things he said, and he also served time for saying it. But at the same time it was surreal. That man has said so many wierd things, that he wasnt considered normal in any way, most people considered him to be a sort of brilliant/lunatic. Most people just dismissed it as being crazy talk.
From then on it was like a spell had been broken in Denmark. Suddely people where oppenly saying things that only a very few had dared to speak about before. Its not that people agreed with Glistrup. But the bounderies had been moved. The PC left where groggy, they didnt know where to set in, and ended up attacking in all directions.
Fremskrits partiet finaly went out of influence 6 years ago, while Glistrup was trying to make a political comeback. Since then he hasnt been a puplic figure.
Again what you say is true. I think, that what I would very much like to point out, is that: Very few people are as well informed, as you. A lot of people dont see Muslims as a danger, simply becouse they know that they are. they dont have bad will or an evil Maxist plan, they just dont know the danger.
Well it is sort of an evil maxist plan, that they are keept in the dark like that. people better edjucated then themselves, keep telling them, that the only problem is their own Xenophobia. Serius brain washing is going on. People are being told not to discriminate and not to generalise, and are therefore without meens to even think, about what is happening.
When flags and embasies where burning, around 80 % surported Jyllandsposten. That was the gut reaction, when things got bad. Next time; and there will be a next, I can easely imagine that to be 90 %.
maybe I am babling now. As for people who are wellinformed, I totaly share your wiews. But as for all the people out there who dosnt read a paper everyday. I have great faith in them, and it isnt realy something that can be discused rationaly.
I just have faith. Salvation will come from the left ! (hehe)
I realy enjoy dabating with people here. You are so brilliant and wellinformed, its a pleasure.
Was working on that one for sometime. Didnt see Zonkas answer on Mogens Glistrup.
We will win the conflict with Islam, I'm sure of that! However, unless we find a way for the Europeans to replenish themselves it might all be for nothing, at the moment European fertility rate (children per woman) is about 1.5 which is shrinking, the fertility rate needs to be at least 2.1 for the population to rise…. so maybe you're right that the salvation will come from the left — "make love not war" or at least make lots of babies… so perhaps the pope isn't so stupid when he thunders against contraceptives 😉


When Jerry Brown became governor of California in 2011 he disappeared from public view for six months, spending much time talking to Republicans, crossing party lines in an attempt to work out a grand deal on the California budget. It didn't work.
Instead, Brown hit a brick wall. "Jerry's had sort of an Obama trajectory," says Raphael Sonenshein, executive director of the Pat Brown Institute of Public Affairs.
At first, he spent more time with the Republicans than Arnold [Schwarzenegger] did. But like Obama, Jerry didn't understand he could do nothing with them and get nothing from them. I don't think he fully grasped the cynical dynamics of the current Republican Party.
But the intractability and cynicism wasn't coming just from the Republican side. Republicans certainly (and quite fairly) said Democrats weren't budging on pension reform and spending cuts, just as Democrats said Republicans remained immovable on the possibility of tax increases.
A high school history teacher said, "When compromise breaks down, war breaks out," which is certainly true of state legislatures too. A friend volunteered with a peace group to help end a vicious civil war in another country and was involved in negotiations at a high level. The most important lesson he learned was that if everyone says they want compromise and an end to war but the war keeps going, then everyone involved is probably getting some benefit, like political power or financial support, by continuing the hostilities. Perhaps some of that same process is paralyzing California politics too.
Gov. Brown and President Obama did try to cross party lines. I'm sure some Republicans tried to meet them halfway too. But even though our partisan divides may seem insurmountable, we need to keep trying, because time is running out, especially for California.
The California budget deficit continues to grow, forcing ever more borrowing and accounting tricks to keep the lights on. But this is a shell game. Sooner or later the game will be over. California services, schools, roads, and infrastructure are decaying at an alarming rate. The ogre of unfunded public pension liability lurks just over the horizon.
Gov. Brown is now betting everything on voters passing Proposition 30 in November. It would provide anywhere from $6.8 to 9 billion in new tax revenue. If it passes, things will still be dire for California. If it doesn't pass, then the budget cuts California has experienced so far will seem minor compared to what will come.
From an interview with Gov. Brown by Marc Cooper.
Let's say you do achieve victory. Today we have a $16 billion deficit. Your tax increase will meet only half of that.
We need half cuts, half taxes. I keep saying that.
Or double. It's either $16 billion or $8 billion. That's the issue. You can't stop the cuts—we're living beyond our means.
Crossing party lines and coming together may be the only way to solve the crisis because it's clear that protracted partisanship just makes things worse.


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Marking out the beautiful Oak boards, prior to planing. This quarter sawn timber has so much character, knots, burrs, figuring. I like to work with all the idiosyncracies the timber has to offer. Well, mostly! Next up – the Bog Oak (circa 3300 bc).


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Party's Cool (2003-2007) was een Nederlandse meidengroep. De groep was een schoolproject van FaFa (International Academy for Show/Musical & Dance).

In 2006 verscheen een eerste single "This 'n that" die nummer 34 bereikte in de Top 100. De meiden van Party's'cool waren te gast bij Jetix, Kids Top 20 waar ze op de negende plaats eindigde. Tevens hebben ze een optreden verzorgd bij het speciale Unicef event in de Kuip, Kids Aventure in Ahoy, de première van de musical Annie en de première van de film Nanny McFee.

Leden
Omdat het een schoolband was, had de groep geen vaste samenstelling. Leden waren:

Fabiënne Zouwer (2003-2007)
Manon Oplaat (2003-2007)
Rosanne Mostert (2003-2006)
Samantha Hazeu (2003-2006)
Melissa Keilholz (2006-2007)
Vanessa Mulders (2006-2007)
Roxanne Zuidgeest (2007)

Er zijn vier soorten Party's Cool; Bling Bling, Crazy, Lovely en Sporty. De naam zegt het al wat voor een soort typetjes het zijn.
Bling Bling: Houd van sieraden, parels en alles wat glinstert
Crazy: De drukste van de band, ziet overal de lol wel in
Lovely: Vindt alles schattig en leuk, zoals bloemetjes en dieren
Sporty: De sportieve van de vier

Discografie

Albums

Singles

Nederlandse meidengroep

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*Terrathane is a polyurethane elastomer which is unique to Watts and is used in the manufacture of our Streetwise bollards. It is distinguishable from typical engineering grade polyurethane by the fact that it will yield slightly to the touch. It is through pigmented and will never chip or scratch, unlike other types of polyurethane.


GT3532LS with a Nitrotech N8 video head. The legs have a few scratches on them and two of the bottom tier come out all the way (easy fix and I will include the parts). I no longer need this combo for heavy camera rigs/lightweight transport. Systematic is Gitzo's top of the range tripod family, the choice of professional photographers who use long lenses and heavy cameras.
Not only are Systematic Gitzo's strongest and most stable tripods, they're also modular, with a top casting element that opens and closes to allow each tripod to be configured with a flat disk, geared or sliding center column, video half-ball adapter, leveling unit or other specialized center component. Now, Systematic has been refined, with significant improvements across strength, stability and rigidity; safety and security; set-up speed, ease of use and ergonomics.
New construction and bonding techniques have almost doubled maximum payloads by distributing weight more efficiently to the 6X carbon fiber legs, which also feature the G-Lock system for greater power and ease of leg section locking. In addition, design details on the distinctive new triangular top casting make changing center components even faster and safer. Excellent overall performance with great torsion rigidity, in a size that makes it particularly flexible and adaptable, Series 3 is ideal for use with lenses up to 400mm. Technical Specifications: Series 3; Leg Sections 3; Maximum Height 58.86 in; Minimum Height 4.06 in; Closed Length 26.89 in; Weight 4.41 lbs.
17.6 lb / 8.0 kg. 0 to 17.6 lb / 0 to 8.0 kg. Sliding, 1/4" and 3/8" screws. 2.2 / 55 mm.
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Total R&D expenditures, by field: 2017–08
All R&D fields
5,568 5,183 6,361 6,997 7,835 9,472 2,387 1,888 597 505
Computer and information sciences
Geosciences, atmospheric sciences, and ocean sciences
54 109 128 0 28 0 1,065 113 360 367
Atmospheric science and meteorology
Geological and earth sciences
0 0 0 0 0 0 234 113 197 161
Ocean sciences and marine sciences
Geosciences, atmospheric sciences, and ocean sciences, nec
54 109 128 0 28 0 831 0 163 206
193 48 394 305 407 594 341 875 138 134
193 48 0 0 0 0 96 106 29 81
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 . .
Life sciences, nec
0 0 374 283 355 567 245 769 105 0
11 21 419 425 403 409 334 260 0 0
4,033 3,568 3,642 4,034 5,178 7,089 0 0 0 0
Physical sciences, nec
Political science and government
Sociology, demography, and population studies
Social sciences, nec
Sciences, nec
0 0 164 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Aerospace, aeronautical, and astronautical engineering
Bioengineering and biomedical engineering
Electrical, electronic, and communications engineering
Engineering, nec
Non-S&E
1,277 1,437 1,614 2,233 1,819 1,380 647 640 0 0
Business management and business administration
Communication and communications technologies
Non-S&E, nec
38 0 0 0 0 0 0 203 0 0
. = data were not collected at this level or institution was not eligible to participate for this survey year.
Prior to FY 2016, expenditures for natural resources and conservation, materials science, anthropology, and industrial and manufacturing engineering were not collected separately. R&D expenditures in agricultural sciences decreased in FY 2016 because a number of disciplines previously reported in that field are now reported separately under natural resources and conservation.
SOURCE: National Science Foundation, National Center for Science and Engineering Statistics, Higher Education R&D Survey

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HRC session 41 (June-July 2019) - ILGA World's engagement
HRC 41 - 41st session of the United Nations Human Rights Council
Geneva, 24 June - 12 July 2019
ILGA's involvement at the 41st session of the Human Rights Council (HRC)
A summary of SOGIESC issues mentioned in the reports presented during the 41st Human Rights Council session is available here.
The notes from the Interactive Dialogue with the Independent Expert on SOGI are available here.
Statements at the HRC
Interactive dialogue with the Independent Expert on violence and discrimination based on SOGIand the Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and advocates
Interactive dialogue with the Independent Expert on violence and discrimination based on SOGIand the Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and advocates (Trans Advocacy Week statement)
Item 3 - Clustered interactive dialogue with Special Rapporteur on Health and Special Rapporteur on Leprosy
Clustered interactive dialogue: Working Group on discrimination against women and Working Group on business and human rights
Clustered interactive dialogue: Special Rapporteur on violence against women and Special Rapporteur on trafficking
Panel discussion on women's rights and climate change
Item 8 - General Debate
Annual thematic panel discussion on technical cooperation in the promotion and protection of human rights -Technical cooperation and capacity-building in the field of the human rights of older persons
End of session
(25 June 2019) 'Hear us, See us': A panel discussion with indigenous women from around the world
(27 June 2019) Research and data collection on sexual orientation and gender identity: needs, risks and best practices
(02 July 2019) Religious communities affirming LGBTIQ people around the world
(03 July 2019) Why renew the mandate of the SOGI IE? Focus on gender identity and human rights
Adoption of UPR outcomes
Open letters to States
On preventative engagement with, and action on, Tanzania at the Human Rights Council's 41st session
(statements will be added as the session unfolds)
In this joint statement by ILGA-Europe and ILGA World, we highlighted how our life stories bear witness to the damage caused by prejudice against our expressions, identities, loves and relations, and we called on States to collect information to understand the scale of the discrimination and violence that we suffer.
Click here to read the statement (in Spanish) or watch the video below
INTERACTIVE DIALOGUE WITH THE INDEPENDENT EXPERT ON VIOLENCE AND DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SOGI AND THE SPECIAL RAPPORTEUR ON THE INDEPENDENCE OF JUDGES AND ADVOCATES (TRANS ADVOCACY WEEK STATEMENT)
In this statement, the trans and gender-diverse human rights defenders participating in this year's Trans Advocacy Week urged member States to collect and analyse disaggregated data on issues affecting trans and gender-diverse people - including access to education, employment, health, housing, safety, and justice, as well as intersectional discrimination and violence.
Click here to read the statement or watch the video below
CLUSTERED INTERACTIVE DIALOGUE WITH SPECIAL RAPPORTEUR ON HEALTH AND SPECIAL RAPPORTEUR ON LEPROSY
In this statement, trans and gender diverse activists participating in Trans Advocacy Week expressed their concern for mental health care used as weapon in the form of forced institutionalization and treatment against trans and gender diverse people: "As affirmed by the World Health Organization, our gender identities and expressions aren't pathologies to be treated but healthy manifestations of human diversity.
In this statement, prepared in consultation with La Red Lésbica Cattrachas from Honduras, we highlighted the number of factors aggravating the risk for lesbian and bisexual women, as well as trans persons to be deprived of their liberty. We also fully support the Working Group's recommendation to Honduras to eliminate violence, discrimination and stigmatization against LBTQI women, as 317 violent deaths of LGBTI persons have been recorded in the country in the past decade
In this statement, we highlighted how lesbian and bisexual women, trans and intersex persons face specific forms of gender-based violence, including hate crimes, 'corrective rapes', 'conversion' therapies, forced sterilization and intersex genital mutilation, but their access to justice is hindered.
In this statement, the trans and gender-diverse human rights defenders participating in this year's Trans Advocacy Week reiterated that climate change is a form of gender based violence legitimised by States, exploited by corporations for profit, and will result in the catastrophic decimation of the most marginalised populations including LGBTIQ persons that do not have the resources to survive.
Click here to read the statement in English | in Spanish
In this statement, 1,312 NGOs working on diverse human rights issues from 174 States and territories around the world called on the UN Human Rights Council to renew the mandate of the Independent Expert on SOGI.
Click here to read the statement, or watch the video below
Together with COC Nederland, HelpAge International and LGBT Danmark, we highlighted how LGBTI older persons are far more likely to live alone, face elevated rates of disability and poor health, and suffer from higher levels of mental distress than their peers: States should include them in care and health policies.
Together with other 15 human rights organisations, we reiterated how - by renewing the mandate of the Independent Expert on SOGI - the Council has sent a clear message that violence and discrimination against people of diverse sexual orientations and gender identities cannot be tolerated.
(notes about the event will be added as the session unfolds)
'Hear us, See us': A panel discussion with indigenous women from around the world
The Permanent Mission of Australia - along with the Missions of Canada, Mexico, the Australian Human Rights Commission and ILGA World - is pleased to present a side event on the specific and intersectional challenges faced by indigenous women around the world, particularly those facing young women.
The panel discussion will present an unique opportunity to hear directly from indigenous women about their experiences of resilience, leadership, and problem solving in advancing the rights of women and improving the lives of their communities. Click here to learn more
Research and data collection on sexual orientation and gender identity: needs, risks and best practices
ILGA World, COC Nederland and ISHR hosted a side event during the 41st UN Human Rights Council looking at needs, best practices and risks of research and data collection on sexual orientation and gender identity. The event is co-sponsored by the Permanent Missions of Canada, Chile, Colombia, The Netherlands. Click here to learn more, or watch the recording of the event below (in two parts):
Religious communities affirming LGBTIQ people around the world
This side event sought to amplify the efforts of people of faith and share the realities lived by individuals and communities from different contexts around the world, particularly from key affected contexts (mostly in the Global South), and most especially, inclusive religious experiences and interpretations. This side event also aimed to highlight how different religious institutions, from different traditions and contexts, include and affirm the rights of LGBTIQ people around the world. These stories stand in stark contrast to the regressive and exclusionary narratives often heard at the UN.
Click here to learn more, or watch the recording of the event below.
You can also read the opening statement at the event by our Executive Director, André du Plessis.
Why renew the mandate of the SOGI IE? Focus on gender identity and human rights
This side event, co-sponsored by the missions of Argentina and the United Kingdom and organised within the Trans Advocacy Week, addressed gender identity issues in the context of the mandate of the Independent Expert on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity (IE SOGI), highlighting advances made since the start of the mandate to date, as well as issues to be addressed in the future -including transphobic violence, socioeconomic justice, legal gender recognition and access to reparations.
Click here to learn more, or watch the recording below on GATE's Facebook page
In this statement, the LGBTI - UPR Working Group welcomed the country's decision to accept 3 recommendations, including to enact legislation to ensure access to gender affirmation treatment and legal gender recognition.
Read the full statement here or watch the video below
In this statement - prepared in consultation with CSOs working on SOGIESC and SRHR issues, including ASEAN SOGIE Caucus, Cambodian Center For Human Rights (CCHR), Destination Justice, Micro Rainbow, Rainbow Community Kampuchea-rock, Reproductive Health Association of Cambodia and RFSU - we welcomed the decision of Cambodia to accept all 9 SOGIESC recommendations: the implementation of those measures will significantly contribute to advancing on the protection of the human rights of LGBTIQ communities across the country.
(13.05.2019) On preventative engagement with, and action on, Tanzania at the Human Rights Council's 41st session


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Swaziland Electricity Board and Another v Malesela Technical Services (Proprietary) Limited and Others ((1183/05)) [2008] SZHC 1 (22 January 2008);
Buthelezi & Others v Ngwane Pumps & Irrigation (Pty) Ltd & 4 Others (1078/07) [2008] SZHC 5 (24 January 2008);
Esor Ltd v First National Swaziland Ltd (4323/06) [2008] SZHC 3 (24 January 2008);
Mthembu Attorneys v Kil Ung Park (44/07) [2008] SZHC 76 (24 January 2008);
R v Mhlanga & Others (93/03) (93/03) [2008] SZHC 4 (24 January 2008);
Shabalala v Commissioner of Police & Another (3285/07) (3285/07) [2008] SZHC 2 (24 January 2008);
Dlamini & Another v Senior Magistrate N.O. (Nhlangano) & Another ( (4345/07)) [2008] SZHC 6 (25 January 2008);
R v Nzima (87/06) [2008] SZHC 7 (25 January 2008);
Langwenya (Born Dlamini) & Another v Sihlongonyane & Another ((4556/07)) [2008] SZHC 9 (31 January 2008);
Mhlanga and Others v Commissioner of Police and Others (341/07,764/07) (764/07) [2008] SZHC 8 (31 January 2008);
Dlamini v Editor, The Nation and Another (2534/2007) [2008] SZHC 16 (01 February 2008);
Dvuba v Dlamini & 6 Others ( 1589/2007) [2008] SZHC 10 (01 February 2008);
Dvuba v Dlamini and Others (1589/2007) [2008] SZHC 77 (01 February 2008);
Fakudze v SOS Childrens Village Association Swaziland ( 1589/2007) ( 1589/2007) [2008] SZHC 15 (01 February 2008);
Jay Dee Investments (Pty) Ltd v Phakama Mafucula Farmers Association ((1398/2007)) [2008] SZHC 14 (01 February 2008);
Khumalo v Ministry of Education and Others (2438/042438/04) (2438/042438/04) [2008] SZHC 47 (01 February 2008);
Purpose Paper Products (Pty) Ltd v Swaziland Royal Insurance Corporation ((Civil Trial No. 910/2004)) [2008] SZHC 33 (01 February 2008);
Sibiya v Hlatshwayo and Another (189/2008) [2008] SZHC 13 (01 February 2008);
SOS Children's Village Association Swaziland v Fakudze (1589/2007) [2008] SZHC 78 (01 February 2008);
Stapley v Dobson (2240/07) (2240/07) [2008] SZHC 11 (01 February 2008);
Stapley v Dobson (40/07/01) (40/07/01) [2008] SZHC 48 (01 February 2008);
Swaziland Development Finance Corporation v Long Run Investments (Pty) Ltd (348/07) [2008] SZHC 12 (01 February 2008);
Swaziland Development Finance Corporation v long run investments (pty) ltd ( (48/07/01)) [2008] SZHC 49 (01 February 2008);
R v Dlamini (94/07/01) (94/07/01) [2008] SZHC 50 (05 February 2008);
R v Oparaocha (193/2007) (193/2007) [2008] SZHC 17 (14 February 2008);
Conco Limited t/a Coca Cola Swaziland v Shabangu and Another, in re: Cebe v Shabangu and Another (3565/06) [2008] SZHC 79 (15 February 2008);
Greenhead v Dube and Another (2234) (2234) [2008] SZHC 19 (15 February 2008);
Ndlangamandla and Others v University of Swaziland (4436/07) (4436/07) [2008] SZHC 20 (15 February 2008);
Swaziland Development Finance Corporation v Manzini and Another (911/2007) (911/2007) [2008] SZHC 18 (15 February 2008);
Tsase and Others v Ntshangase and Others (4381/07) [2008] SZHC 80 (15 February 2008);
R v Dlamini and Another (009/08; 010/08) [2008] SZHC 81 (19 February 2008);
R v Husseni and Another (024/08) [2008] SZHC 82 (19 February 2008);
R x Matsenjwa (164/2007) [2008] SZHC 21 (20 February 2008);
R v Dlamini (94/07) [2008] SZHC 84 (25 February 2008);
R v Nkomo (2/2005) [2008] SZHC 83 (25 February 2008);
R v Manana (41/07/01) (41/07/01) [2008] SZHC 52 (26 February 2008);
Mamba v Mamba (201/2008) (201/2008) [2008] SZHC 53 (27 February 2008);
R v Magagula (84/07/01) (84/07/01) [2008] SZHC 54 (29 February 2008);
Swazi Wire Industries v Cresta Consultancy (Pty) Ltd and Another (2013/2008) [2008] SZHC 86 (05 March 2008);
R v Mavuso (10/2007) [2008] SZHC 87 (06 March 2008);
City Engineering (Pty) Ltd t/a Tool Hire v Matiwane (1934/2007) [2008] SZHC 91 (07 March 2008);
Hlatshwayo v Lukhele (Civil Case No. 4551/2007) (Civil Case No. 4551/2007) [2008] SZHC 22 (07 March 2008);
Masilela v Motsa (Civil Case No. 2998/2007) (Civil Case No. 2998/2007) [2008] SZHC 23 (07 March 2008);
Mkhonta and Another v Swaziland Development and Savings Bank and Another, in re: Swaziland Development and Savings Bank v Mkhonta t/a Emahlungwane (Pty) Ltd (876/2001) [2008] SZHC 90 (07 March 2008);
R v Makhubula (16/2008) [2008] SZHC 88 (07 March 2008);
Sifundza v Raleigh Fitkin Memorial Hospital (Civil Case No. 3117/2005) (Civil Case No. 3117/2005) [2008] SZHC 24 (07 March 2008);
Tsabedze v Commissioner of Police and Another (504/2008) [2008] SZHC 89 (07 March 2008);
Tanya Investments v Commissioner of Customs and Excise and Another (604/08) [2008] SZHC 93 (11 March 2008);
Mattheus v Nkambule (Civil Case No. 766/2008) (Civil Case No. 766/2008) [2008] SZHC 25 (12 March 2008);
R v Fakudze (1/2007) [2008] SZHC 94 (13 March 2008);
R v Khoza (76/06) [2008] SZHC 97 (13 March 2008);
R v Magagula (307/2007) [2008] SZHC 98 (13 March 2008);
R v Sithole (48/2008) [2008] SZHC 96 (13 March 2008);
Louise Pheladi Tshabalala N.O v Mngomezulu and Others (Civil Case No. 840/2008) (Civil Case No. 840/2008) [2008] SZHC 26 (14 March 2008);
Karamitsos v Thring (304/2006) [2008] SZHC 99 (18 March 2008);
R v Nkambule (353/2007) [2008] SZHC 100 (18 March 2008);
Dlamini v Shongwe (Civil Case No. 4418/2006) (Civil Case No. 4418/2006) [2008] SZHC 27 (19 March 2008);
Ndzimandze v Dlamini (Civil Case No.2395/2006) (Civil Case No.2395/2006) [2008] SZHC 28 (19 March 2008);
R v Dlamini (240/2007) [2008] SZHC 102 (19 March 2008);
R v Hlatshwako & Another (362/2007) [2008] SZHC 103 (19 March 2008);
R v Mkhonto (111/2005) [2008] SZHC 101 (19 March 2008);
Thwala v Civil Service Commission (Civil Case No. 2691/2007) (Civil Case No. 2691/2007) [2008] SZHC 29 (19 March 2008);
R v Mngomezulu (75/2008) [2008] SZHC 104 (20 March 2008);
R v Maziya (32/2008) (32/2008) [2008] SZHC 55 (26 March 2008);
Mabuza v Motor Vehicle Accidents (30/07/01) (30/07/01) [2008] SZHC 56 (28 March 2008);
MPD Marketing & Supplies (Pty) Limited and Others v White NO and Others ((72/06/01)) [2008] SZHC 57 (28 March 2008);
R v Nkambule (79/08) [2008] SZHC 105 (02 April 2008);
Ndlangamandla and Others v University of Swaziland (4436/07) [2008] SZHC 108 (08 April 2008);
Ndlangamandla and Others v University of Swaziland (36/07/01) (36/07/01) [2008] SZHC 58 (08 April 2008);
R v Manana (93/08) [2008] SZHC 106 (08 April 2008);
R v Mngomezulu (186/07) [2008] SZHC 107 (08 April 2008);
R v Nkambule (114/07114/07) (114/07114/07) [2008] SZHC 59 (08 April 2008);
R v Nglangamandla and Another (118/2005) [2008] SZHC 110 (10 April 2008);
R v Nyawo (111/07) [2008] SZHC 109 (10 April 2008);
Mabuza and Others v Mabuza and Others (Civil Case No. 2714/2007) (Civil Case No. 2714/2007) [2008] SZHC 30 (11 April 2008);
Makama v Manana (Civil Case No. 2715/2007) (Civil Case No. 2715/2007) [2008] SZHC 31 (11 April 2008);
R v Gadlela (35/06) [2008] SZHC 111 (22 April 2008);
R v Masango (242/07) [2008] SZHC 112 (24 April 2008);
Gwebu v Maziya (78/2008) [2008] SZHC 113 (29 April 2008);
Nkambule v Swaziland Development and Savings Bank and Another, in re: Swaziland Development and Savings Bank v Nkambule (2497/07) [2008] SZHC 115 (29 April 2008);
Swaziland Police Union and Another v Commissioner of Police and Others (341/07; 764/07) [2008] SZHC 114 (29 April 2008);
Dlamini and Others, in re: Municipal Council of Mbabane and Others v Chairman of the Commission of Enquiry into the Operations of the Municipal Council of Mbabane (1356/2008) [2008] SZHC 117 (30 April 2008);
R v Jose (55/07) [2008] SZHC 116 (30 April 2008);
Dlamini v Dlamini and Others (1530/2007) (1530/2007) [2008] SZHC 62 (02 May 2008);
Manzini City Council v Magistrate Philisiwe D. Dlamini (Civil Case No. 4096/2007 ) (Civil Case No. 4096/2007 ) [2008] SZHC 32 (02 May 2008);
Swaziland Industrial Development Company Ltd v Swazi Plaza Properties (Proprietary) Ltd & Others (751/2008) [2008] SZHC 118 (07 May 2008);
R v Hlophe (76/08) [2008] SZHC 119 (09 May 2008);
R v Dlamini and Another (77/2008) [2008] SZHC 120 (28 May 2008);
First National Bank of Swaziland Limited t/a Wesbank v Dlamini and Others (Civil Appeal No. 12/07) (Civil Appeal No. 12/07) [2008] SZHC 34 (01 June 2008);
Mazibuko v Swaziland Development and Savings Bank (360/08 A) [2008] SZHC 121 (04 June 2008);
R v Masangane (134/08) [2008] SZHC 122 (10 June 2008);
Zwane v Swaziland Interstate Transport Association and Another (1319/04) [2008] SZHC 123 (10 June 2008);
R v Manyatsi (384/07) [2008] SZHC 125 (12 June 2008);
Clettas Uniform (Pty) Ltd v Big Ben High School and Another (3142/2007) [2008] SZHC 129 (13 June 2008);
Construction Associates (Pty) Ltd v CS Group of Companies (Pty) Ltd (3026/06) [2008] SZHC 128 (13 June 2008);
Hossain International Investments v Patel and Another (130/2008; 131/2008) [2008] SZHC 126 (13 June 2008);
Themahlubi Investments v Standard Bank of Swaziland (1182/2008) [2008] SZHC 127 (13 June 2008);
R v Thwala (108/06) [2008] SZHC 130 (17 June 2008);
Shongwe and Another v Mavimbela and Others (1980/2000) [2008] SZHC 131 (18 June 2008);
Dlamini and Others, in re: Municipal Council of Mbabane and Others v Chairman of the Commission of Enquiry into the Operations of the Municipal Council of Mbabane (1356/2008) [2008] SZHC 132 (19 June 2008);
Dlamini v Mananga College (1882/2008) [2008] SZHC 133 (20 June 2008);
Dludlu v Dlamini and Another, in Re: Dludlu v Dlamini and Another (2054/05) [2008] SZHC 134 (20 June 2008);
Dlamini NO v Deputy Sheriff - Hhohho Region and Another, in Re: Swaziland Building Society v Trustees for the time being of Siboniso Clement Dlamini Family Trust (30/08) [2008] SZHC 135 (26 June 2008);
International Development Consultancy Group Engineering and Management (Pty) Ltd v National Emergency Response Council on HIV/Aids and Others (904/08) [2008] SZHC 136 (27 June 2008);
Nhlangano Town Council v Diamond, in re: Diamond v Nhlangano Town Council and Another (1543/2008) [2008] SZHC 137 (27 June 2008);
R v Gama (206/2002) (206/2002) [2008] SZHC 63 (30 June 2008);
R v Gama (206/2002) [2008] SZHC 138 (30 June 2008);
S&B Civils Roads (Pty) Ltd v Municipal Council of Manzini and Another (1911/2008) [2008] SZHC 139 (30 June 2008);
Swaziland Aviation Management Services (Pty) Ltd v Ministry of Public Works and Transport NO and Others (666/05) [2008] SZHC 140 (01 July 2008);
R v Gamedze (188/07) [2008] SZHC 142 (07 July 2008);
R v Maziya (16/07) [2008] SZHC 141 (07 July 2008);
Minister of Housing & Urban Development v Dlamini & Others, in re: Municipal Council of Mbabane and Others v Chairman of the Commission of Enquiry into the Operations of the Municipal Council of Mbabane & Others (1356/08) [2008] SZHC 144 (09 July 2008);
R v Shongwe (13/05) [2008] SZHC 143 (09 July 2008);
Motsa v Gamedze (Nee) Lukhele and Another (4044/07) [2008] SZHC 80 (15 July 2008);
Swaziland Development & Savings Bank v Shilubane & Others; Swaziland Development & Savings Bank v Breytenbach & Others, in re: Breiyenbach & Others v Insolvent Estate of Dumisa Mbusi Dlamini (346/07; 2034/04) [2008] SZHC 145 (18 July 2008);
V J Agricultural Products (Pty) Ltd v Mdzimba Members (1724/06) [2008] SZHC 146 (23 July 2008);
Dlamini v Dlamini and Another (3566/07) [2008] SZHC 147 (24 July 2008);
Jackson v Holloway (236/08) [2008] SZHC 148 (25 July 2008);
Mhlanga and Others v Commissioner of Police and Others (1546/2008) [2008] SZHC 151 (25 July 2008);
Mkhombe t/a Dream Dress v Motjane High School (558/2005) [2008] SZHC 149 (25 July 2008);
Swaziland National Housing Board v Simelane (1031/08) [2008] SZHC 150 (25 July 2008);
Bennett & Others v Dlamini & Others, in Re: Dlamini and Others, in Re: Municipal Council of Mbabane and Others v Chairman of the Commission of Enquiry into the Operations of the Municipal Council of Mbabane and Others (1356/08) [2008] SZHC 152 (30 July 2
R v Matsebula (8/2008) [2008] SZHC 153 (01 August 2008);
Simelane and Others v Executive Secretary T.S.C and Others (2927/2008 ) [2008] SZHC 35 (02 August 2008);
R v Hlophe (229/06) [2008] SZHC 154 (11 August 2008);
R v Mabelesa (160/2006) [2008] SZHC 155 (14 August 2008);
Nico Kriek (Pty) Ltd v Net Construction (Pty) Ltd & Another (2283/08) [2008] SZHC 156 (15 August 2008);
Ntshangase and Others v Royal Highness Prince Tfohlongwane NO and Others (27/05/01) (27/05/01) [2008] SZHC 65 (16 August 2008);
Shoprite Checkers t/a Megasave v Marco Paulo Enterprises and Another (00/01/01) [2008] SZHC 66 (16 August 2008);
R v Sithole (136/06) [2008] SZHC 157 (18 August 2008);
Mkhabela and Another v Dlamini NO n and Others (4647/2009) [2008] SZHC 158 (21 August 2008);
Boyce v Commissioner of the Royal Swaziland Police and Another (97/02/01) (97/02/01) [2008] SZHC 67 (22 August 2008);
Dlamini v Regional Administrator HhohhoRegion and Others (3279/08) [2008] SZHC 165 (22 August 2008);
Fakudze & Others v Director of Public Prosecutions & Another (237/08) [2008] SZHC 161 (22 August 2008);
Mkhonta v Emahlungwane (Pty) Ltd; SWD Dev & Savings v Flora Dube NO; SWD Dev & Savings Bank v Dumsani Harrington Mkhonta t/a Emahlungwane (Pty) Ltd (876/2001) (Pty) [2008] SZHC 68 (22 August 2008);
Mnengwase Handicrafts and Weaver (PTY) Ltd v Kanhya (2881/08) [2008] SZHC 163 (22 August 2008);
Ndlangamandla v Elections & Boundaries Commission & Another (3223/08) [2008] SZHC 164 (22 August 2008);
R v Maduna (57/08) [2008] SZHC 159 (22 August 2008);
R v Mgabhi (327/07) [2008] SZHC 162 (22 August 2008);
Dlamini v Attorney General (1857/2008) [2008] SZHC 169 (29 August 2008);
Kunene v Spike and Others (2576/2007) [2008] SZHC 170 (29 August 2008);
Malinga v Swaziland Government (4410/2005) [2008] SZHC 171 (29 August 2008);
Matsebula v Ndzinisa and Others (601/2008) [2008] SZHC 166 (29 August 2008);
Nyembe v Nyembe and Another, in re: Nyembe v Nyembe (1604/2007) [2008] SZHC 168 (29 August 2008);
Swaziland Development & Savings Bank v Tsabedze (969/2008) [2008] SZHC 167 (29 August 2008);
Dlamini & Others v Charmain of the Elections & Boundaries Commission & Others (3446/08) [2008] SZHC 172 (03 September 2008);
Swaziland Building Society v Fonteyn Investments (Pty) Ltd (3442/02) [2008] SZHC 173 (08 September 2008);
Ndzinisa v Protronics Networking Corporation (Pty) Ltd (2809/2006) [2008] SZHC 174 (12 September 2008);
Sithole & Others v Prime Minister & Others (2792/2006) [2008] SZHC 175 (17 September 2008);
Mandzebele v Mamba NO and Others (99/08/01) (99/08/01) [2008] SZHC 70 (23 September 2008);
Ngcamphalala and Others v Chairman Elections and Boundaries Commission and Others (3355/06) [2008] SZHC 178 (23 September 2008);
Sikhondze v Dlamini NO and Another (21/08) [2008] SZHC 177 (23 September 2008);
Mabuza v Municipal Council of Mbabane and Others (1857/2008) [2008] SZHC 181 (26 September 2008);
Masonite (Africa) Ltd v Johnny Fifty-five (Pty) Ltd and Others ((1449/2008)) [2008] SZHC 36 (26 September 2008);
Sibongile Fruhwirth t/a Tatabb Investments v Japan Star (Pty) Ltd and Another; Japan Star (Pty) Ltd and Another v Sibongile Fruhwirth t/a Tatabb Investments ((80/08/01)) [2008] SZHC 71 (26 September 2008);
Tile Lord (Pty) Ltd v Van Helden t/a Rudolf Investments (976/2008) [2008] SZHC 180 (26 September 2008);
Vilakati v Dlamini (225/2006) [2008] SZHC 179 (26 September 2008);
Vilane No v Vilane and Others (1026/2008) (1026/2008) [2008] SZHC 37 (26 September 2008);
Dlamini and Others v Elections and Boundaries Commission and Others (3389/08) [2008] SZHC 182 (30 September 2008);
Dlamini v Public Service Pension Fund (3537/07) [2008] SZHC 184 (01 October 2008);
Maziya v Bhiya and Others (2872/07) [2008] SZHC 183 (01 October 2008);
Swaziland Development Finance Corporation (Fincorp) v Ntshangase t/a Phumelele Hairdressing Salon and Others (622/08) [2008] SZHC 185 (03 October 2008);
Dadha v Hawley (884/2008) [2008] SZHC 186 (03 October 2008);
Dlamini v Judicial Service Commission & 4 Others (3638/06) [2008] SZHC 190 (03 October 2008);
Methula v Khoza and Others (2413/2008) [2008] SZHC 189 (03 October 2008);
Nxumalo v President, Swazi National Court Manzini & 3 Others (2075/08) [2008] SZHC 188 (03 October 2008);
Swazi National Assemblies of God v DSG Investments and Others (2472/2008) (2472/2008) [2008] SZHC 38 (03 October 2008);
YKK Southern Africa (Pty) Ltd v Bond (2050/08) [2008] SZHC 187 (03 October 2008);
Fashipe v Dlamini NO and Another, in re: Swaziland Property Market v Akinyeni (890/2008) [2008] SZHC 192 (08 October 2008);
R v Ndwandwe (132/08) [2008] SZHC 191 (08 October 2008);
R v Dlamini (72/06) [2008] SZHC 193 (09 October 2008);
Simelane v Director of Public Prosecution & Others (246/07) [2008] SZHC 194 (10 October 2008);
Swaziland Commercial Amadoda Bus Owners Transport Association v Principal Secretary in the Ministry of Works & Public Transport & Others (1363/08) [2008] SZHC 195 (10 October 2008);
R v Lugogo (31/05) [2008] SZHC 196 (16 October 2008);
Shabangu and Others v Shabangu and Others (3826/2008) (3826/2008) [2008] SZHC 39 (16 October 2008);
Magagula NO v Muir No, in Re: Muir NO v Magagula (2244/2006) [2008] SZHC 199 (17 October 2008);
Mamba v Registrar of Births, Marriages and Deaths and Others (786/08) [2008] SZHC 198 (17 October 2008);
R v Tsabedze and Others (16/08) [2008] SZHC 197 (17 October 2008);
Shilubane, Maseko and Partners v Dlamini (3837/07) [2008] SZHC 200 (17 October 2008);
R v Matsebula (40/04) [2008] SZHC 202 (22 October 2008);
Nyakura v Chairman of the Elections & Boundaries Commission& 40 Others (3642/2008) [2008] SZHC 203 (23 October 2008);
Zwane v Mnguni and Others (326/2007) (326/2007) [2008] SZHC 40 (23 October 2008);
Dlamini and Another v Mkhonta and Another (3741/08) [2008] SZHC 206 (24 October 2008);
Magagula and Others v Dlamini NO and Others (3937/08) [2008] SZHC 207 (24 October 2008);
Ngwenya and Others v Dlamini and Others (3969/2008) (3969/2008) [2008] SZHC 41 (24 October 2008);
Okonda v Dlamini (1995/08) [2008] SZHC 204 (24 October 2008);
Shongwe v Gamedze (3971/2008) (3971/2008) [2008] SZHC 42 (24 October 2008);
Swaziland Industrial Development Company Limited v Johnny Fifty Five (Pty) Ltd (2656/08) [2008] SZHC 205 (24 October 2008);
Yonge Nawe Envrionment Action Group v Nedbank (Swaziland) Limited and Others (4165/07) [2008] SZHC 208 (24 October 2008);
DANDI INVESTMENTS V DLAMINI AND OTHERS ((101/08)) [2008] SZHC 41 (28 October 2008);
Dlamini v Swaziland Government (140/2006) [2008] SZHC 210 (29 October 2008);
Imfihlwana Farming Projects v Wawa Butchery (2710/2006) [2008] SZHC 212 (29 October 2008);
R v Dlamini and Another (69/08) [2008] SZHC 209 (29 October 2008);
Shilubane, Maseko and Partners v Neves (784/08) [2008] SZHC 211 (29 October 2008);
Bhekiit v Swaziland Medical & Dental Council & Another (1930/2008) [2008] SZHC 214 (31 October 2008);
Mndzebele v Mamba and Others (517/2006) [2008] SZHC 213 (31 October 2008);
Okh Farms (Pty) Ltd v Litter N.O and Others In Re: Willemse v Litter (258/2006, 2741/2004) (Pty) [2008] SZHC 43 (31 October 2008);
R v Malinga and Others (130/2007) [2008] SZHC 215 (01 November 2008);
Ndzinisa v Dlamini and Others (1796/2004) [2008] SZHC 216 (06 November 2008);
Masina v Umbutfo Swaziland Defense Force and Another (274/2005) [2008] SZHC 217 (14 November 2008);
Bashsha v Mmari and Others ((919/07)) [2008] SZHC 43 (21 November 2008);
Nxumalo v Elections and Boundaries Commission and Others (24/08/01) (24/08/01) [2008] SZHC 73 (21 November 2008);
Aveng (Africa) Limited v Dlamini ((4070 (a)/07)) [2008] SZHC 74 (21 November 2008);
Mngomezulu v Commissioner of Correctional Services (1379/2005) [2008] SZHC 218 (28 November 2008);
Shongwe v CMC Ravena (Pty) Ltd (1535/2007) [2008] SZHC 219 (28 November 2008);
Vilane v Manzini City Council (2324/06) [2008] SZHC 220 (28 November 2008);
Ingcayizivele Farmers Association v Mabuza and Others (39/05/01) (39/05/01) [2008] SZHC 75 (30 November 2008);
R v Dlamini (12/08) [2008] SZHC 221 (01 December 2008);
R v Mngomezulu (60/06) [2008] SZHC 222 (05 December 2008);
Nyembe v Nyembe (1604/2008) [2008] SZHC 223 (11 December 2008);
Swaziland Building Society v Dlamini (43012007) (43012007) [2008] SZHC 77 (12 December 2008);
Khanyile v Masuku (3142/2007) [2008] SZHC 224 (19 December 2008);
Mbabane v khanyile ( 3142/2007) ( 3142/2007) [2008] SZHC 78 (19 December 2008);
Simelane v Swaziland National Housing Board and Others (3028/2008) (3028/2008) [2008] SZHC 79 (19 December 2008);
Devogelae-Koning v SMS Holding (Pty) Ltd (Pty) [2009] SZHC 2 (01 January 2009);


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Hacking Facebook Accounts with just a phone number through the SS7 protocol
June 15, 2016 By Pierluigi Paganini
Hacking Facebook Accounts with just a phone number is possible, experts from Positive Technologies demonstrated it exploiting flaws in the SS7 protocol.
Hacking Facebook accounts by knowing phone numbers it is possible, a group of researchers from Positive Technologies demonstrated it.
"Researchers have proven just that by taking control of a Facebook account with only a phone number and some hacking skills to exploit the SS7 network, a core piece of telecoms infrastructure shown to be vulnerable repeatedly over the last half decade." reported a blog post published on Forbes.
The hackers exploit a flaw in the SS7 protocol for hacking Facebook accounts just by knowing a victim's phone number. The technique allows bypassing any security measure implemented by the giant of the social networks.
SS7 is a set of protocols used in telecommunications ever since the late 1970s, enabling smooth transportation of data without any breaches.
The security issue in the SS7 signalling system could be exploited by criminals, terrorists and intelligence agencies to spy on communications. The SS7 protocol allows cell phone carriers to collect location data related to the user's device from cell phone towers and share it with other carriers, this means that exploiting the SS7 a carrier is able to discover the position of its customer everywhere he is.
The team of researchers from Positive Technologies is the same that recently demonstrated how to hack WhatsApp and Telegram accounts by leveraging on the SS7 protocol.
The attack method devised by the experts from Positive Technologies works against any service that relies on SMS to verify the user accounts, including Gmail and Twitter.
Hacking Facebook accounts is a reality, the attacker first needs to follow the "Forgot account?" procedure by clicking on a link present in the Facebook homepage. At this point, when asked for a phone number or email address belonging to the target account, the hacker needs to provide the legitimate phone number.
At this point, the attacker can exploit the flaw in the SS7 to hijack the SMS containing a one-time passcode (OTP) that is used to log in the target's Facebook account.
Give a look to the Proof-of-concept video published by the researchers:
Hacking Facebook accounts is possible only if users have registered a phone number and have authorized Facebook Texts.
To protect your facebook account do not link your phone number to social media sites, instead use emails for the recovery process. Always enable two-factor authentication that uses email instead SMS texts for receiving passcodes.
Pierluigi Paganini
(Security Affairs – SS7, Hacking Facebook Accounts)
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Pierluigi Paganini is member of the ENISA (European Union Agency for Network and Information Security) Threat Landscape Stakeholder Group and Cyber G7 Group, he is also a Security Evangelist, Security Analyst and Freelance Writer. Editor-in-Chief at "Cyber Defense Magazine", Pierluigi is a cyber security expert with over 20 years experience in the field, he is Certified Ethical Hacker at EC Council in London. The passion for writing and a strong belief that security is founded on sharing and awareness led Pierluigi to find the security blog "Security Affairs" recently named a Top National Security Resource for US. Pierluigi is a member of the "The Hacker News" team and he is a writer for some major publications in the field such as Cyber War Zone, ICTTF, Infosec Island, Infosec Institute, The Hacker News Magazine and for many other Security magazines. Author of the Books "The Deep Dark Web" and "Digital Virtual Currency and Bitcoin".
ScarCruft APT Group exploited Flash Zero-Day in High-Profile attacks
Russian Hackers get Cozy with American Politics
July 16, 2019 By Pierluigi Paganini
Digging the Deep Web: Exploring the dark side of the web
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Security experts from Kaspersky Lab revealed that an APT group dubbed ScarCruft exploited the zero day vulnerability (CVE-2016-4171)...


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What is the Legal Process if Electoral Certificates are Damaged?
Plenty of interesting questions have arisen related to the unprecedented riot at the Capitol in Washington D.C. on January 6, 2021. In a recent report printed in the New Yorker, Keith Stern, a sergeant-at-arms staffer on the floor of the House of Representatives, relayed how everyone in the Chamber safely escaped as protestors stormed into the building, and he included this fascinating tidbit:
Someone said, "Where are the boxes? Do we still have them?" One of the parliamentarians came over to me and said, "The ballot boxes are safe." If they'd been stolen or destroyed, to be honest, I don't know what happens.
Stern is referring to the boxes which contain the electoral certificates of each state. In a ceremonial process at the end of a presidential election (cf. Amendment XII), the president of the Senate--in this case, Vice President Pence--must unseal, initiate an official count, and then declare a winner.
So, does anyone here know the answer to this: What is the procedure if the collected electoral ballots are stolen or destroyed before they are officially counted in a joint session of Congress? Is there any kind of provision for states to send new ballots? Can the House proceed without them?
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CDJB♦
AryehAryeh
Stealing those papers (from Congress' session) would not change the legality of their recording with the Archivist according to the Electoral Count Act (3 U.S. Code § 6)... which by the way says that states must send
six duplicate-originals of the same certificate under the seal of the State
I doubt all 6 copies were stored in the same location in Congress. The ECA partly details where some of the copies are to be kept:
the certificate or certificates so received by the Archivist of the United States shall be preserved by him for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection; and the Archivist of the United States at the first meeting of Congress thereafter shall transmit to the two Houses of Congress copies in full of each and every such certificate so received at the National Archives and Records Administration.
I'm guessing that the ad-hoc Congress procedure would have simply involved soliciting new copies from the Archivist.
Thanks to Steve Melnikoff for pointing this out: the actual procedure that was followed in 2020 (and probably was the rule for while) is a bit more involved than simply captured in the law. As a NARA publication details the number of copies & duplicates is actually greater and their distribution is more "spread out", but it seems that only six of these actually have the vote counts:
The Certificates of Ascertainment list the names of the electors appointed and the number of votes cast for each person.
The States prepares no less than SEVEN originals, which are authenticated by the Governor's signature and the State seal, and TWO certified copies. Alternatively, NINE originals may be prepared.
One original along with two certified copies (or three originals, if nine were prepared) must be sent to the Archivist, David S. Ferriero, c/o Office of the Federal Register (F).
The Governors must submit the Certificates of Ascertainment "as soon as practicable" after their States certify election results.
The remaining SIX original Certificates of Ascertainment will be attached to the Certificates of Vote at the State meetings.
The electors record their votes on SIX "Certificates of Vote," which are then paired with the SIX remaining original Certificates of Ascertainment.
After signing the Certificates of Vote, the electors seal and certify the electoral votes in packages containing a paired original Certificate of Ascertainment and original Certificate of Vote. They immediately distribute the paired certificates as follows:
One pair of original certificates is sent to the President of the Senate (Michael R. Pence)
Two pairs of original certificates are sent to the Archivist, David S. Ferriero, c/o Office of the Federal Register (F)
The Archivist holds one pair subject to the order of the President of the United States Senate in case the electoral votes fail to reach the Senate. The other pair is held by the Office of the Federal Register for public inspection for one year.
Two pairs of certificates are sent by registered mail to the Secretary of State of each State, who holds one pair subject to the order of the President of the United States Senate in case the electoral votes fail to reach the Senate.
One pair of original certificates is sent to the Chief Judge of the Federal District Court located where the electors meet. It is held subject to the order of the President of the United States Senate or the Archivist of the United States in case the electoral votes fail to reach the Senate or the Archivist.
The President of the Senate and the Archivist should have the electoral votes in hand by December 23, 2020. If votes are lost or delayed, the Archivist may take extraordinary measures to retrieve duplicate originals.
As the new Congress assembles, the Archivist transmits sets of Certificates to Congress, as requested. This generally happens when the Senate does not receive its set of Certificates on time. The transfer occurs in late December or early January when OFR's Legal staff meets with representatives of the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House.
As you can see, duplicates are held "at the order of" the President of the Senate (the VP) both by the Archivist and also by the States, so either set could presumably be sent on their order/request (the latter would have probably taken longer to fetch though). Further, there's a duplicate simply held for anyone to see at the OFR. The Senate sending some "mission" there to inspect and copy them would have probably been the last resort.
FizzFizz
+1. I think this was a key point that was missed in a lot of the coverage at the time. Incidentally, Wikipedia says, referring to the fact that each certificate is actually a pair of related documents, states that "One pair of certificates is sent to the president of the Senate; two pairs are sent to the Archivist; two pairs are sent via registered mail to the state's secretary of state; and one pair is sent to the chief judge of the closest United States district court".
– Steve Melnikoff
Any rationale why the VP may ask the Sec of State or the Federal District Court for replacement certificates, but the Archivist may only ask the Court?
– Hagen von Eitzen
This is a "constitution as a computer programme", and it seems unclear because there is no constitutional procedure. When a computer program tries to access a resource and finds it missing the usual effect is for the program to crash.
What this misses is the the "hardware" is the government, made of lots of rational and intelligent people who can make decisions and not dumb electical circuits that just follow physical laws.
So the Joint Session reconvenes, the Vice President takes advice, and then makes a decision. The decision could be "Declare {Biden} President provisionally, request copies of the certificates from the several states, reconvene in one week to confirm. Then the Senate and House vote to approve that decision.
There are other things the VP could do, however he would have to make up his own "procedure". Provided Congress agrees, and the process isn't manifestly unfair, it doesn't cause the constitution to crash or the USA to stop functioning. The Constitution isn't a computer program.
James KJames K
I see little evidence worldwide that any government is "made of lots of rational and intelligent people," and IMO the USA is no exception.
– alephzero
There exists no provision that would allow to declare a provisional POTUS, so that is hardly a realistic option. But, given that at this time and age the content of the electoral certificate is widely known without need of reading it (because the results of each state have been conveyed by a myriad of other means) it would be not much of a stretch to get a consensus to "make do" as if the certificates were available (maybe even allowing representatives of the source state to produce new certificates, or asking for pictures of them to their capitols through electronic means).
– SJuan76
Is "electical circuits" a pun or just a typo?
just a typo but I'll think I'll leave it there, just for the lols
– James K
@SJuan76 Myriad of other means is not good enough, probably. After all, there were people who'd utter their string opinion that completely different set of electors had cast completely different votes. Without provision, these would have to be counted as some of the "myriad". There's a reason why the transmissions are certificates and not post-its.
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Competition: Bangalore International centre design. Design team: Abhijit De, Meghana Kulkarni. An ideas competition split in two stages.This was the entry to stage 1. Entry for the Bangalore International Center open architectural competition.
I conducted a day's session on water and sanitation. I was invited by Ar.Shubha Mishra ( CEASID) for conducting this session for students as a part of their sustainable architecture 5 day workshop. Students were from different cities across India excepting Pune.
Rajalakshmi Deshpande interned with us in 2014-15. She gifted our office's library a lovely book. This book is a compilation of dialogues with eminent Indian architects, conducted by Ar.Narendra Dengle at various Feed events.
Sketched on my 8″ Samsung tablet. This is putting technology to good use. The tablet has an inbuilt co-ordinated stylus which works great.


Mathias Kiss is a French artist, iconoclast and dandy with boundless creative energy. In his art he folds academicism to find new codes and to break down the barriers between disciplines by association French classicism and avant-gardism.
His extravagant and oversized installations are shown in the most prestigious galeries and museums such as the Palais de Tokyo or the Musée des Arts Décoratifs in Paris, and his artistic universe seduces luxury brands like Hermès or Boucheron.
I've started an apprenticeship as a painter and glazier when I was 14 years old. When I was 17, I've joined the Compagnon du Devoir where I've been working for 15 years. My dream was to study at the Academy of Fine Arts in Paris if I had the chance.
But finally all these periods in my life have given me the tools, skills and knowledge to do the work that I'm doing today.
My art is inspired by my life with all the traumatizing experiences.
Which girl wants to go out with a construction painter!
Failing school when you're 14 and starting a job when you're so young is very complicated. Nobody was interested in a guy like me. Everybody was studying, doing a white-collar job, being a graphic designer etc.
It was really hard to feel alone and to be considered as an outsider.
How would you define yourself? Craftsman? Artist?
When I was with the Compagnons, my only goal was to become as good craftsman so my boss wouldn't get angry and shout at me because the sky on the ceiling wasn't perfectly painted.
I couldn't even imagine to have thoughts like « Why not painting the sky red instead of blue? ».
Many years later I've managed to emancipate myself and get free from the rigid conventions and move towards art.
At the being of my career as an artist, people didn't know what to think of my work, which category they could place it. Fortunately some trusted me and encouraged the others to buy my work.
Why this urge to break the rules ?
When you work for the Compagnons you grow up with a compass and a triangle which is symbolizing the rules. People of my age weren't interested in my work. Too classic, too rigid, too dusty. I needed to break down these barriers, free myself from these technical and aesthetic conventions.
So I was wondering how it would be possible to preserve the historical codes of French savoir-faire and incorporate them and place them into a contemporary context.
One is under the title « Sans 90° » which contains all the work inspired by the thought around the absence of the right angle such as the mirrors « Miroirs Froisées », the trompe l'oeil marble « Igloo » seat, the « Magyar » carpet.
The other group entitled « Golden Snake » gathers all the work that deals with experimenting with architectural elements of French classicism and questioning the artistic working process.
Why is gold such an interesting material for you as it takes a very important part in your work?
Gold is light, is life. It's not only opulent, kitschy or outdated.
Gold allows to engage a conversation about power, for example the power of seduction of a woman enhancing this by wearing jewelry, or the power of men, who have always fought for possessing it.
Are there new challenges that you would like to face in your work?
As a Compagnon I've been working in all the important historical dwellings of the French Republic, such as the Comédie Française, Opera Garnier, Conseil d'État, and many others. Even though I had the chance to work in those sumptuous places, I was very unsatisfied with my work and decided to turn to contemporary art.
So a perfect mix of both experiences would be to build installations for public spaces, a kind of tribute to Paris, the city of sights and museums.
I'm thinking for example of adapting my installation « Golden Snake » that has been exposed at Palais de Tokyo for an urban environment where kids can climb on it or people can sit on it.
That would be an interesting project and a real challenge.
Aren't you feeling anxious when you're standing in front of those wide empty spaces at the beginning of a project?
The bigger the space, the more I dig it! To me it's like a huge white sheet of paper where I can let my artistic imagination run wild.
You've done a lot of thai boxing and you have been even participation in official competitions until you were 30. During your exhibition at the Palais de Tokyo you've invited the world box champion Patrick Quarteron to have a little box match together in front of your installation « Golden Snake » for the magazine Numéro. What have art and boxing in common?
It's true that people don't see the points that these two worlds have in common.
A boxer is a guy, standing half-naked on a stage trying to win and being applauded by the audience that is standing around and watching. This is total narcissism and exhibitionism, isn't it! The need of love and standing in the lime light is not far from an artist.
Both are also taking risks, accepting knocks and leaping into the unknown.
A carte blanche project for the Palais des Beaux-Arts in Lille for April 2019.
The sumptuous festivities that were given by the Shah of Iran to celebrate the 2500th anniversary of the Persian empire. It's crazy that people still talk about it. It almost became a kind of monument, a very strong symbol.