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Catastrophic Flooding In Texas
Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:29 am
[guest post by Dana]
Catastrophic flooding in southeastern Texas now, particularly in the Galveston/Houston area, as the storm is reportedly stalled inland. There are also tornado watches in place, along with rain falling at a rate of 4-6 inches per hour. NOAA projections:
Surface observations of winds 30-35 kt within a band of convection over the western Gulf of Mexico and along the coast of Texas support an initial intensity of 35 kt. The latest track guidance show Harvey moving slowly southeastward for the next 24 to 36 hours and the center is likely to move very close to the coast, or even offshore, between 24-48 hours. After that time, Harvey is expected to begin a northward motion which should take it inland over eastern Texas later in the period.
Ongoing catastrophic and life-threatening flooding will continue across southeastern Texas. Additional rainfall accumulations of 15 to 25 inches are expected, with isolated storm totals as high as 50 inches, through Friday.
If you want to help, Gov. Abbott of Texas is recommending that you make a contribution to the American Red Cross. You can contact them at 1-800-RED CROSS or text HARVEY to 90999 to make a donation. You can also go here for on-the-spot coverage in Houston, as well as here, here and here.
May there be countless numbers of residents like the one below, doing whatever they can to help their neighbor:
To readers in the impacted areas, please stay safe.
(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)
770 Responses to "Catastrophic Flooding In Texas"
Mind-boggling .
Dana (023079) — 8/27/2017 @ 8:32 am
the red cross is pretty shady
the Salvation Army has a lot more integrity and better targets money to people who need it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/27/2017 @ 8:37 am
I'm just relating what Gov. Abbott recommends, happyfeet. Personally, I would go with Salvation Army or Samaritan's Purse.
Thank you for this post, Dana. The North-easterly movement of the storms center should give the breathing room Corpus Christi and the surrounding area need to recover. Let's hope the storm weakens today, and does not return to the coast to regenerate.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/27/2017 @ 8:48 am
The Salvation Army was most helpful during a family catastrophe when I was a child.
Go local on donations . Remember how Red Cross held onto money after 9/11
The larger the bureaucracy the greater the skepticism.
Ben burn (5f7aa4) — 8/27/2017 @ 8:51 am
Mind-boggling, indeed, Dana!
Evangelicals will keep money aside for pet projects too, like missionary funding. Make the charity state what percentage goes to needy. Less than 80 is a red flag.
Well said, Ben.
yes yes I think you're right about both of those ones Dana
Ben Burn;
I haven't heard of a case of the Salvation Army diverting funds donated for a specific emergency, though I suppose it could happen. OTOH, the United Way has had at last one huge corruption-and-kickback scandal in every city I have ever lived near.
C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37) — 8/27/2017 @ 9:52 am
Friends of mine are on their way down, they do work through their church.
Slipped them a few benjamins. Local churches are so dedicated when things of this nature happen.
When Katrina hit his church was in Mississippi for over two years.
mg (31009b) — 8/27/2017 @ 9:53 am
Many viable 501c3 in the Past have become professional fund raisers for grant writing/navigation requiring knowledgeable salaried employees be hired.
Salvation Army is the least offensive last time I looked.
Ben burn (5f7aa4) — 8/27/2017 @ 10:10 am
ugh ugh poor houston hearing from people now
they are very soggy
cousin's brand new home's under the harvey water a place to call your very own means so much though it's a little soggy
amazon turdlord jeffy bezos is gonna make a killing off this gonna make a killing off this gonna make a killing off this
meanwhile Mitt Romney's keeping an eagle eye on the burgeoning republican white supremacist movement while his slimed-up buttboy Paul Ryan's crying tears of sad about Joe Arpaio getting pardoned
thank god for the local churches; they see so clearly what needs to be done
and they just do it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/27/2017 @ 10:26 am
Greetings:
what no Stevie Ray Vaughn ???
11B40 (6abb5c) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:10 am
@14 happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/27/2017 @ 10:26 am
Do you mean "amazon turdlord jeffy bezos" qua turdlord?
If so, it's hard to tell, isn't it? And even if he will, so will many others: Bezos has but a 17% stake in Amazon; and then there's Wal-Mart and Home Depot, and, well, the mind fairly bubbles in this regards.
And the lack of dividends pay-out (Amazon-wise) confuses matters not a little, I should imagine.
Finally, what (if any) increase in the AMZN value will (in 3 mos. or 6 mos. etc.) be properly attributable to Harvey, is probably as unknowable as divining any quantifiable impact of climate change/global warming on Harvey (and its impact on Texas).
So, worry not my goony little friend; no need to say it once, much less thrice – that the "turdlord" (gosh, but your peculiar locutions are so darn cute!) may stand to benefit (somehow & somewhat) from Harvey. All things considered, even if all is not perfectly right in the world, it's not so awful bad. (At least (pretty much) if you're male, white, middle-class or better and American. See? I wrote that last part just for you! You're welcome.)
Q! (267694) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:35 am
Texas lawmakers, now bracing for Harvey, voted against Sandy spending
https://www.dallasnews.com › News › Weather
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:41 am
Reporting from Houston's Sharpstown neighborhood at 1:45pm Central:
Wherever you're watching from, don't completely freak out from watching the media. For some people this is genuinely catastrophic, although mostly in terms of property damage rather than injuries and deaths.
For a great many other people, though, this has so far been nothing worse than cabin fever — we're the lucky ones. So far, "the lucky ones" include me & my dog, my ex and our kids, and our closest friends and colleagues scattered around the city.
The danger now to Houston and its environs is from flash flooding prompted by continuing rains. We're on the "dirty side" of the eye still, meaning Harvey is still lifting moisture from the Gulf and dumping it on us. There are many reports of tornadoes, but those have been isolated and transient; wind and storm-surge damage aren't the big problems now. Note well, and be thankful: Power outages are worse, and harder to fix, during heavy wind. As a consequence, there are an awful lot of people in Houston who still have AC and lights and internet, but we're watching all the media reporting, and the fluctuating water levels on the streets and yards outside.
The media coverage is of course lopsidedly (but appropriately) slanted to show the disastrous rather than the unchanged. There's no shorting of breath-taking visuals and testimonials. The local TV coverage would make me crazy if I watched it continuously, so I've been alternating with old movies I've DVR'd (yes, that was also part of my storm prep). Social media — Facebook in particular — is also serving a genuine public service in this natural disaster, as a means for people to keep track of large crowds of friends and loved ones without swamping the telephone lines.
So yes, Harvey's a disaster, very much so for some people — but not (yet) much at all for many others. It's the proportions, and where they'll settle out, that are still at issue.
Throughout this, I'm immensely proud of my fellow Houstonians and Texans overall. There's lots of genuine concern leavened with experienced good humor and fellowship, but very little whinging and an astonishingly small amount of genuine panic.
Thanks for the thoughts & positive thinking, though! That certainly can't hurt, and there are lots of less lucky folks on the Gulf Coast who need all the help of whatever type they can get.
Beldar (fa637a) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:45 am
Thosecscenes remind ne of the lyrics here:
http://www.metrolyrics.com/bad-moon-rising-lyrics-creedence-clearwater-revival.html
We think with great arrogance that we are masters of our fate, then nature shows us dufferently
narciso (d1f714) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:45 am
Disco, have you no decency? You're repulsive.
Betsy Devos via Twitter: "Our prayers are with all those in the path of #HurricaneHarvey. @usedgov stands ready to assist impacted schools."
Keith Olbermann responds: "The hurricane is going to do less damage to schools than you are, motherf***er".
Feel the hate, absorb the hate, become the hate……..or, come together and help out.
harkin (f1711c) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:51 am
@20. Decency???????????????????????
Beldar, I'm from coastal New Jersey – a barrier island.
Accordingly, blow it out your snorkel. And in case you need reminding:.
Where The No Votes On Sandy Aid Came From in the US House of Representatives
Texas: 23
Joe Barton
Kevin Brady
Michael Burgess
Mike Conaway
Blake Farenthold
Bill Flores
Louis Gohmert
Kay Granger
Ralph Hall
Jeb Hensarling
Kenny Marchant
Michael McCaul
Randy Neugebauer
Pete Olson
Ted Poe
Pete Sessions
Mac Thornberry
Randy Weber
Roger Williams
When The Waffle House runs out of food and closes down you know it's bad (a la Nashville 2010).
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:57 am
Ted Cruz Demands Federal Money For Texas Floods After Blocking Hurricane Sandy Relief
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/27/ted-cruz-demands-federal-money-texas-floods-blocking-hurricane-sandy-relief.html
appreciate the update, Beldar.
mg (31009b) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:59 am
Beldar, hang in there and stay dry. Ditto DRJ and anyone else in the stormpath in Texas.
Some folks cannot help but get their politics or pet peeves mentioned. It's just how things are here.
I just spent some time contributing to Salvation Army for disaster relief. That was a better use of time than railing about politics or calling people names. There are people in danger. Thank you, Dana, for your post.
Simon Jester (82e4e0) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:00 pm
I do wish sandy never would have happened as it has brought thousands of trolls from New Jersey to Cape Cod every year since.
mg (31009b) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:03 pm
Mars has canals.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:03 pm
Everyone stay safe.
On a lighter note, apparently there are things which even an impending TEOTWAWKI will not get people to buy. This was posted to the music forum I belong to, by someone from Houston to illustrate the bare shelves phenomenom–except for Lay's Chicken Waffle flavor.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIBoS8GUQAArziZ.jpg
kishnevi (bb03e6) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:03 pm
Ted Cruz blocks vote for aid to Flint, Michigan during water crisis
http://www.inquisitr.com/2830282/ted-cruz-blocks-vote-for-aid-to-flint-michigan-during-water-crisis/
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:05 pm
Sorry, no sympathy from me on that. They've been coming to South Florida for decades already. Along with their close kin from New York….
Like demons in the synagogue Simon,
That was a terrible film, pin.
narciso (d1f714) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:06 pm
Beldar shows empathy.
He lives in Texas, no?
Ben burn (5f7aa4) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:06 pm
Texas senators want Hurricane Harvey disaster declaration – despite opposing Superstorm Sandy relief funding
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ted-cruz-john-cornyn-hurricane-harvey-disaster-declaration-article-1.3445161
If Sean Penn stops by on his way back from Venezuela I say God bless him.
After Calling Sandy Aid Wasteful, Ted Cruz Asks For All Available Resources for Texas
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/04/19/flashback-ted-cruz-lecture-sandy-victims-texas-begs-handouts-feds.html
Money spent on Texas is money well spent. The Bad Part of Italy (that would be New Jersey) … what for?
Stay well, Texans. I know you'll pull through, no matter what.
nk (dbc370) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:12 pm
Rime of the Ancient Curmudgeon.
Note to Five Letter Anagram
We got the point back at 17. You've now descended from annoying to just plain boring.
Superstorms…what's the deal with them?
Superman, good!
Superbowl, good!
Can somebody please explain?
@33. How soon they forget– or want to forget. Until it's their tails caught in the crack. Just review the list of 'Texans' who opposed/voted against aid after Sandy.
What goes around comes around. Hell, along the Jersey shore they were still picking up the piece from the March '62 nor'easter storm well into the early '70's. One can have empathy for the mess they're dealing with but zero sympathy give their elected officials response to Sandy and disasters in other places across America.
@36. Meh. Takes a while for the waters to rise around that ivory tower.
@40. Ah, but 'superpower' is out these days– now it's 'megapower.' Must be a video game generation thing.
The mayor of Houston ignores the governor's advice to evacuate, now this happens:
https://kek.gg/i/3jwYbG.jpeg
Dysphoria Sam (4071c5) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:28 pm
Hurricane Sandy Relief: 'Pork' Spending Stalls Passage
that sleazy nasty lisa murkowski hijacked the relief bill to grab some yummy welfare for the whirl's largest trailer park (alaska)
add all the other filthy senate trash went to town too
Some of the disputed items in the Super Storm Sandy disaster aid bill include a $150 million in funding for Alaskan fisheries.
Some of the disputed hurricane relief bill pork measures in $336 million in Amtrak expenses and $2 million in taxpayer funds to repair a room on one of the Smithsonian buildings in Washington D.C.
The publication also reports that the Super Storm Sandy relief legislation also includes $8 million to purchase new vehicles for federal agencies. A total of $4 million for repairs to the Kennedy Space Center were also added to the disaster relief bill.
such was life when filthy pervert Harry Reid ran the senate
it'll be interesting to see how dirty dirty mitch exploits this tragedy
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:30 pm
@43. It's called learning the hard way.
oopers *and* all the other filthy senate trash went to town too I meant to say
Texas hates the federal government. Unless it needs disaster relief.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-reich-disaster-20150603-story.html
DC..mega (make emoluements great again)power comes best out of a megamouth with a megaphone. He is determined to reach that elusive $10 billion and he's needing/wanting all the support he can gin up. Make him great people.
SHOCKER! TX Senators who voted against aid for Hurricane Sandy ask for fed asst ahead of Harvey
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/25/1693251/-SHOCKER-TX-Senators-who-voted-against-aid-for-Hurricane-Sandy-ask-for-fed-asst-ahead-of-Harvey
The mayor of Houston ignores the governor's advice to evacuate, now this happens
here's how a houston chronicle propaganda slut reported this…
Abbott's off-the-cuff advice came despite local leaders' repeated messages that residents will be more safe hunkering down at home.
Texas Republicans hit by Hurricane Harvey voted against Sandy aid for N.J.
http://bvtnews.com/politics/texas-republicans-hit-by-hurricane-harvey-voted-against-sandy-aid-for-nj.html
NC man arrested for felony gun possession doing emergency storm repair in New Jersey
It's called not the same thing:
What accounts for the legislators' changed votes?
"The difference is the fiscal state of the country," Jason Klindt, a spokesman for Rep. Sam Graves, a Missouri Republican, wrote in an email explaining why Graves voted for both of the Katrina relief bills but against the ones for Hurricane Sandy. "The days of buy now and pay later are over," he added.
Klindt said Graves would have supported the bills if they had offset the costs with spending cuts.
The $51.8 billion relief bill passed after Katrina and the $50.7 billion one that passed the House on Tuesday aren't exactly the same. The Katrina version allocated almost all of the money to the Department of Homeland Security for disaster relief, while the Sandy one directs relief money to a slew of federal agencies.
Conservatives derided some of the provisions of the Sandy bill as pork. As they point out, the bill allocates billions to dozens of federal agencies, including the National Park Service, the Smithsonian, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Secret Service, the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. But the bill also specifies the agencies must spend the money on Sandy-related expenses.
As for the votes against the flood insurance program, the Katrina and Sandy bills were basically the same. But there is an important difference: The program has fallen at least $20 billion into the red since Katrina. And it doesn't take in enough revenue to pay the money back.
The Katrina bill raised the limit on borrowing for the program by $2 billion — subsequent legislation increased it by billions more to cover Katrina-related losses. And the Sandy bill upped the borrowing limit by another $9.7 billion.
"We're continually bailing out this program and it's clear that it's no longer solvent," said Heather Vaughan, a spokeswoman for Rep. Randy Neugebauer of Texas, who voted to let the flood insurance program — which insures 5.7 million homes — borrow more money in 2005 but against it this month.
"It would be irresponsible to raise an insolvent program's debt ceiling without making the necessary reforms," Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin said in a statement after the vote this month.
How did the flood insurance program fall so deeply into debt? The short answer is Hurricane Katrina.
"The program worked well for a good number of years," said David Maurstad, who ran the program from 2004 to 2008. Funded by annual premiums paid by homeowners, the program was self-sufficient and had even built up a reserve of about $2 billion by 2004, according to Maurstad. But it wasn't designed to handle a catastrophic year like 2005, when Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma left the program on the hook for $17.7 billion in claims. So Congress authorized the program to borrow the money to pay the claims.
But the flood insurance program didn't have any way to repay those funds. It takes in only about $3.5 billion a year in premiums, and the claims have overwhelmed premiums in four of the last eight years.
One representative actually voted against the big Katrina relief package but in favor of the Sandy one this week: Rep. Scott Garrett of New Jersey. Garrett did not respond to requests for comment on the vote.
This disaster relief is going to FEMA unlike Obama's Sandy pork-laden giveaway.
Further, feel free to hate on Texas politicians but as the last paragraph shows, the real hypocrite is from New Jersey.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:42 pm
Except that photo was from a nursing home in Dickinson, which is 28 miles SE of Houston and has its own municipal services. At least blame the correct mayor. Although I have no idea what the mayor of Dickinson told his citizens. And a nursing home in a potential flood zone should have enough sense to arrange evacuation all on its own.
http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_e1ffff8e-435d-5c78-ab46-57d6bc7dc6a5.html
Who woulda thunk ASPCA was a KosKid!?!?
"The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources were focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections."
"Idiocracy" 2006
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:46 pm
Sounds like the Dems should have made the bill about actual relief for Sandy victims instead of a pork shopping list.
Drain that swamp!
harkin (f1711c) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:47 pm
captain food stamp (briefly taking a break from his golf game) and sleazy harry reid effing raped the treasury for ineffective wasteful sandy spending
Why 79 Percent of Hurricane Sandy Relief Funds Won't Go to Storm Recovery
rape rape rape that's how barack obama governed
he raped and raped like a dirty rapist
President Trump will do better
he saw close up the corruption what happened with the Sandy money
@48. How those Texas idiots could let those elderly people float in chairs waist and shoulder high in Dickinson – the image is going viral- just shows you what a bunch of conservative numb nuts (see Joe Barton and Louis Gohmert for details) run that state.
The Mayor has since said that it was too late to evacuate and having millions of people on flooded roads was more dangerous than sheltering in place. That is probably true from a macro view but it's callous and borderline dishonest from a micro view, especially for people with medical issues. But Abbott was right and I know there were some people who listened and left town.
You are hilariously angry, DCSCA. Why the Texas hate? Why do we scare you so much?
Ted Cruz, Bill Flores Asked For Federal Aid After Texas Explosion, But Voted Against Sandy Relief
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/ted-cruz-bill-flores-aid_n_3117356.html
Tobe Hooper he is dead
he did that movie about the chainsaws what were put to questionable use
Hate comes from fear, you know. It's interesting to see how much you fear us.
You are actually spamming Texas hate, but that's so much more interesting than your entertainment quotes. I guess some good has come from Harvey after all.
It would also be true from a micro view. Imagine those fifteen residents trapped in a van on the highway in the middle of the storm with hundreds of cars around them.
But I do hope someone makes a serious inquiry after the water drains away into why this nursing home didn't at least try to get them to a Red Cross Shelter or some other better place to be.
the more the CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts try to exploit this the more people will despise them
but they can't help themselves
You mean to say there's another explanation for rejecting UberSturm Sandy relief aside from "Texas politicians are evil"?
He also did lifeforce, the wonderfully schlocky film about space vampires which a great overroight score.
He needs to spit his bowl of pea soup drj like wolcott did in 2004.
you know what
if the sleazy p.o.s. failmerican federal government doesn't pass a bill or do a single goddamn thing
Texas will be just fine
@60. Angry DRJ? ROFLMAOPIP
No. Just reminding y'all, as you like to forget, of your utter hypocrisy given Texas' opposition to Sandy relief. All that and no cattle t'aint scary at all. Just funny. Y'all wanted Federal aid before the storm hit. Hilarious. The response from a long time coastal New Jersey resident: 'Swim for it.'
But not mentioned is that the Texas bloc was voting down the Sandy aid b/c Obama has a singing fit of "Burn Baby Burn" with regard to the 2010 wildfires.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 8/27/2017 @ 12:57 pm
The point is that Cruz and the other Texans were not voting against giving funds to New Jersey. They were voting against giving funds to all the pork projects that had nothing to do with New Jersey and Sandy.
I see your point, kishnevi, but the Mayor decided what was generally best. Abbott actually warned that flooding would decimate the infrastructure, so people with special needs could decide for themselves which was more dangerous. Now we have several special needs problems — late-stage pregnancies, people on ventilators, disabled elderly — who are in dire straits but could have left before.
I think the Governor was more willing than the Mayor to give people information and trust them to decide.
It's more like confusion over people who choose to live under high-tension wires. It's hard to get mad when they have a right to move next to a refinery instead.
Ben burn (5f7aa4) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:00 pm
Hang in there, Texans!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:00 pm
It was a tighter victory for Trump than expected down there…
why piss them off using pre-T wrath of God meme-ery.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:01 pm
I recall thousands of republicans cheering on rooftops in Jersey City when Sandy hit.
Pinandpuller (1b8663) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:01 pm
Sandy funding had nothing to do with a black President..harumph!
The temerity reeks…
You are what you are, DCSCA. Bless you for caring about folks during these hard times.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:01 pm
@64. You are actually spamming Texas hate. That's what those stories tell, DRJ. Texas hate– for Americans in need.
What goes around comes around. Spam will taste pretty good along the Texas coast in a few days, too. Wait 'til winter comes and insulation, water, gas and eletric lines are still out in places. New Jersey will weep– and eat hot meals.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:02 pm
Hurricane Sandy, one year later: On Staten Island, lives and homes are still in disarray
the sleazy reid obama bill was a huge failure
and cruel
they raped the treasury and left the victims to wallow in their own filth
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:03 pm
Tell 'ya what, DRJ, see #22 and bless those clowns first.
What goes around, comes around, dear.
Something Texans can look forward to.
"The response from a long time coastal New Jersey resident: 'Swim for it.' "
That is a common sentiment that dates back to another easterner sh*tbag… Teddy Kennedy aka Admiral Oldsmobile.
We'll be fine and I wish the best for you, too.
80, that part of Texas doesn't freeze up, not to the degree of the Metroplex and the urbanized i-35 corridor.
@79. Like Texas did for Jersey. You don't know hard times, yet. It's still raining.
Your 'blessing' is it ain't raining salt water.
it's always nice to have a warm bowl of soup during a natural disaster that's for sure
but not Campbell's Soup cause they hate America and support white supremacy
Texans got tired of Katrina victims gumming up the flat, featureless terrain.
the stars at night are big and bright Mr. burn
This is Dickinson, Texas today:
Randy Weber represents Dickinson in Congress.
Randy Weber voted NO on Sandy aid in Congress.
Having an Uncle Ziggy moment (RIP 8.27.16, as it were) in re that photo: "They're not acting like fools and can probably swim, though"
urbanleftbehind (f7d298) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:26 pm
@84.=Haiku!= Gesundheit!
New Englander went a bridge too far. He shudda drove a Volkswagen.
@53 DRJ
According to DC it's a flood insurance [pogrom] against Jersey.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:27 pm
them ladies gonna get all wrinkled up if they stay in that water too long
@65 kishnevi
Only if Mitt Romney was governor.
The Dickinson photo you posted came from a story about how they have been airlifted to safety, and it's even in a New York paper. That must have been harrowing for those sweet ladies. There is an update here
I'm surprised Texas doesn't chain prisoner work crews to buoys and have them filling sandbags.
I'm sorry, I thought you said strapped on top of a van.
@95. PeePee, Texans are learning why folks living on the twentieth floor of a New Jersey high rise gotta buy flood insurance. In about four months they'll be a 'flood' of used cars from Texas for sale, too. Fresh water damage totally sucks but salt water damage is pure hell to deal with. Wrecks the soil, ruins appliances… insulation, wiring…. everything. You can't dry out/salvage pretty much anything; the corrosion eats at everything– even months later.
They ain't seen nuttin' yet.
WCBS in New York had a special (with no commercials) from about 11:30 to 1:00 I think. THE CBS affiliate in Houston was knocked off the air. They were in several spots.
One person drove his white truck underwater.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:40 pm
The true hurricane season is August 25 to Sept 2.
Only 4 days from the solar eclipse topo the hurricane.
I've known enough Texans in my time to know they won't be whining years later about a hurricane like self entitled jersey trolls
mg (31009b) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:41 pm
Some Houston residents have been stranded in high water for hours, to their waist s and much higher. Responders are helping them But it is a monumental task. They are calling on boat owners to help since many roads are flooded.
@105- Meh. That's why Texas asked for Federal storm relief BEFORE the storm hit. =sheesh=
Well he enjoys throwing monkey scat. What can one do?
narciso (d1f714) — 8/27/2017 @ 1:44 pm
@102- One person drove his white truck underwater.
"Remember the Alamo!"
@108- See #22. It's a Texas delicacy.
All his vexes live in Texas
That's why he runs his yap in New Jersey
Sorry, 2 of the links in my comment 106 don't work. They are to the Twitter feed for the Harris County Sheriff Office. The url is twitter.com/HCSOTexas if the link doesn't work. It has timely information and some photos of rescues.
Some folks think he's lying
It's been rumored he's Roll Tide
But he survived unwell in New Jersey
Early stages of dementia. Another case that supports the contention that it is hereditary.
The 'fun' is just beginning— Texans bets look over their insurance policies closely– wait 'til they start dickering with insurance companies filing claims.
Recall a time when we had a salt water storm surge that raised water up to the floor pedals of all the parked cars along the bay side streets. The claims adjusters refused to 'total' vehicles unless the watermark was above a certain point– which was -surprise- higher than the floor pedals.
Maybe he is just a jackalope,
The U.S. Coast Guard is responding to rescue calls, One Tweet says they are bringing in helicopter crews from all over the nation. Thank you, DCSCA, for sending help from New Jersey.
@114. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!
Breaking the Goldwater Rule makes you one of Barry's Boys.
"Oh we're the bright young men, who want to go back to 1910…"
"I've known a lot of Texans"
;>]
@117- DRJ, – oh those Damn Yankees! Any excuse to send Union troops back into the Confederacy again.
This is the Twitter feed for the Harris County Fire Marshall, where they are coordinating the boat rescues. The official emergency management information for Harris County is here.
It's a blessing in your case, ASPCA.
@117. Seriously, DRJ, been through a few of these at sea level; rain water damage is wretched as is but salt water is utter hell so if you've got any friends/family be sure they go over their insurance policies once they're high and dry. You'll find they're a bigger headache to deal with than the storm/storm surge.
It's minor in comparison to first responders but the Harris County DA's office – the County's lawyers – are working through this, too.
"Big Girls Don't Cry", ASPCA. But then Frankie Valli never met you.
Next it's a race against the calendar. Infrastructure repair… November is just 60 days away. It's gonna get cool and crummy fast.
I addressed this two days ago in the comments, DCSCA. In general, Texas homeowners policies don't cover flood damage but only cover wind/nail damage, which most of these homeowners can't show.
They need flood insurance and I linked that yesterday. As I recall, there are less than 150,000 flood insurance policies in Harris County. But there may be more than that it people bought policies in the last year, which is possible because Houston had a bad od about 16 months ago.) Of course, they can apply for low-interest loans under the disaster devlaration.
Surprise: Nationwide ain't on your side. Go with the Flo.
Hail, not nail.
salt water's no good cause of you can get flesh eating bacterias from it
avoid this! (even if the Houston mayor says not to worry)
this way you will have a much better experience
But this time (pardon the source, muckrakers they can be)….http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/27/mexican-troops-saved-american-lives-after-katrina-would-trump-let-them-do-it-again/
is it rude to ask your friend in houston what's sitting in a warm soupy vat of flesh eating bacterias if they had flood insurance?
or maybe that's more of a next week question
the etiquette here seems complex and nuanced
@127- Right. I read that. Flood insurance is mandatory in NJ– which in some places seems screwy but in the long run pays off. Odd a place like Houston and the coastal areas isn't zoned for that as a requirement given it's history- flood channels and such. Wind/hail– yeah, parse that, too– 'wind' from hurricane, tornado, thunderstorms or microbursts- the insurance folks will dicker over that, too and cross reference w/weather radar and such.
Generally, most of our used cars go to Mexico but I suspect Mexico will clamp down some after this, and it should.
Houston didn't have the really high winds but they are having some tornadoes. We should have more flood insurance but Texans Don't Like Being Told What To Do. I wish we handled it through our insurance agents instead of the gpvernment. I think we would do that.
I don't know about Trump but Abbott would, urbanleftbehind. We have a long history of working with Mexico during times of need.
@136- Not the USA, eh. 😉
Texans are very charitable with their own money, but we don't take kindly to people who like to use government to spend other people's money in wasteful ways. We send representatives to DC who understand that and vote accordingly.
Jackalope is Guatemalan Juntaspeak for anyone they don't like.
"Odd a place like Houston and the coastal areas isn't zoned for that as a requirement given it's history- flood channels and such. Wind/hail– yeah, parse that, too– 'wind' from hurricane, tornado, thunderstorms or microbursts- the insurance folks will dicker over that, too and cross reference w/weather radar and such."
Houston is a majority-minority mishmash of a city, people live and work there because it's generally cheap to do so, so you get a lot of 'low-income' transient mindset in both the population and leadership.
Dysphoria Sam (4071c5) — 8/27/2017 @ 2:35 pm
it's so sick how Apple, JPMorgan and those nasty-assed phonies George and Amal Clooney are showering monies on the fraudulent Southern Poverty Law Center while real people are suffering
sick and depraved
I'd like to see
A submerged DC
A sourpuss's burden
Throwing shade
CNN reporting viral imaged Dickinson, Texas nursing home residents in waist high water rescued.
But then, CNN is 'fake news' — eh, Donald?
More catastrophic flooding with Police Statism.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/27/trump-expected-lift-ban-military-gear-local-police-forces/606065001/
yes. CNN is fake news
They were rescued 3 hours ago, DCSCA.
Sam, the Mayor/leaders of Houston aren't transients. They are Democrats.
All 1500 MRAPS dismantled in Assghanistan will need to be replaced immediately per neo-permanent war monger Trump.
"Double that order. We need them for local crowd control"
Johnson Space Center closed as major flooding hits Houston area
https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/08/27/johnson-space-center-closed-as-major-flooding-hits-houston-area/
"Danger Will Robinson!" – Robot R-4, 'Lost In Space' CBS TV, 1965-68, CBS TV
@146. Fake news?
You never go full Paul Giamatti.
@146. Randy Weber is the Republican congressman representing Dickinson, Texas. He voted NO on Sandy aid.
Fake NEWS can be whatever you don't like to admit about yourself.
51 billion went to Sandy efforts and this cellar dweller keeps pissing and moaning
The local officials criticized and disagreed with Governor Abbott when he urged South Texas residents to evacuate last Friday. Abbott said they should evacuate to avoid needing search and rescue efforts. I bet a lot of folks wish they had listened to him and not the local officials.
@153. So move out of your whine cellar.
Were I Paddy Button I'd tell you to eat the berries.
troll on cellar dweller
This is Dickinson, Texas today, DCSCA. These are the rugged individualists that Randy Weber represents — the people who sent him to Washington with the expectation and hope that he will Make America Solvent Again.
I bet this is happening throughout South Texas. We help our neighbors, we don't wait for government to help us.
DRJ -that is inspiring, all you Texans make me proud to be an American.
Bless you all.
@154. Hindsight. But when it's suggested you evacuate, they mean it– but folks gotta go someplace which is the problem. Tourists and such. We once had that happen in an August and the visitors crammed the highways; it took some who left 14 hours to go six miles across a single access causeway bridge to the mainland even w/reverse traffic flow so many year-round islanders just stayed and rode it out because they couldn't get off the island.
@158— he will Make America Solvent Again.
But first, get Federal $torm aid for Harvey.
This is the image of Dickinson, Texas which will endure:
DRJ, haters gotta hate.
DCSCA: The people of Houston took in residents who survived Katrina, clothed and sheltered and fed them. Isn't that enough for you to stifle for one day??
I personally love the stories of people helping people. That's America! BTW what have BLM and Antifa done today to help out?
Stay safe out there, Beldar and other Texans.
Patricia (5fc097) — 8/27/2017 @ 3:06 pm
We are no different than other Americans, mg. We all come together in hard times.
@159 I bet this is happening throughout South Texas. We help our neighbors, we don't wait for government to help us.
No, Texans ask ahead of time:
@165. We are no different than other Americans, mg
Except you want secede from the Union.
https://texassecede.com
Do you know why they have trade schools in New Jersey?
So you're familiar with the job you just lost.
Here is a list of what FEMA may do for state/local government, businesses, and individuals following a disaster declaration like the one in Hurricane Harvey. It is important aid, and we appreciate it. You realize that the Sandy Relief bill included an extra $10 billion in funding for flood insurance, right?
A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money.
Jersey. What a hole. Perfect home for partisan losers frantically fishing for stupid movie quotes to try to add wit to their one-dimensional, partisan a-hole-ery.
Jack Klompus (f1f212) — 8/27/2017 @ 3:16 pm
Expect Christie to FedEx a bucket and mop to Governor Abbott by Labor Day.
You seem upset, DCSCA.
his mom won't bring the ramen noodles to the cellar
I'm sure he'll research a good quote from a Howard Hawks movie to stick at the end of his repeated boldface link from Kos to make himself feel better.
Yes, Jack, you stay away from Cape May, Long Beach Island— and, of course, all 18-holes at Trump's Bedminster hideaway.
the important thing is not to panic
@172. Hardly; pointing out Texan hypocrisy is cheering, especially w/clear, sunny skies and no upsetting days of rain and winds to come.
Don't worry DCSCA, Ben burn's antifa will get to you momentarily:
https://twitter.com/EsemicolonR/status/901917394838441984
DCSCA,
As ordered by Presiddent Obama (with no voting by Congress), New Jersey got a FEMA relief declaration for Hurricane Sandy on October 27, 2012, and New York got the same on October 27. Hurricane Sandy did not make landfall in New Jersey until October 29. So New Jersey, New York, and other East Coast states got FEMA declarations before the hurricane hit, just like Texas did with Harvey.
Your complaint has been about the Hurricane Sandy relief bill (see my link above or Google it), which was a request by state and local officials for far more funds — at least $10H more. That is what many conservative lawmakers voted against, DCSCA.
$10B, DCSCA.
The Jersey Shore – crown jewel of the East Coast. Let's all sit around and revel in other people's misfortunes because we don't like their politicians and paste quotes from the Daily Kos. What a rewarding, meaningful life.
"Insert line from classic film to make me appear cultured."
I don't think there has been hypocrisy, DCSCA, but I do think you are confusing FEMA disaster declarations with Congressional relief bills.
There was a relief bill for Katrina and for Sandy, and there may be one for Harvey. That's when the hypocrisy will occur, and there may be Texas Congressmen and Senators who want to bust the federal budget to vote for aid. I hope not, and I doubt it will be many of them if it occurs.
The Jersey Shore is a 5 coil dog dump
Breaking News Harvey and its floodwaters have washed away 9/10s of the wall that President Trump constructed between Texas and Mexico. The President reacted swiftly & strongly, vowing that he will "bill both Mexico and Poseidon", and "May the devil take the hindmost." It was unclear if the last reference was intended for Senate Leader McConnell, or otherwise.
Q! (267694) — 8/27/2017 @ 3:36 pm
ikes i found a disgruntle
Refugio County Judge Robert Blaschke said county officials had little responsibility for those who disobeyed mandatory evacuation orders.
"If they make a choice not to leave," he said, "they are on their own."
Although Lamar Rodriguez said she knew of the county's mandatory evacuation order, she said she was not prepared for the reality that befell her and her family.
"I knew God was with us, but I looked, and I couldn't see him because I was in the middle of a storm," she said. "The house was falling apart."
She also said if she had known of an available shelter, she would not have hesitated to seek refuge there.
Rodriguez is angry with local officials for the unavailability of a 20,000-sq-ft, storm-resistant dome in nearby Woodsboro that was used to house emergency responders rather than the public.
That multi-million-dollar structure, which was funded with a 2005 voter-approved bond, served as a staging point for Texas Parks and Wildlife Game Wardens and their watercraft.
"I don't understand the politics of it," Rodriguez said. "I don't understand any of it."
In Victoria County, officials opened a dome at St. Joseph High School and another at Bloomington Elementary School for several hundred residents.
Blaschke said officials did not turn away residents who sought shelter at the dome and offered a shelter at Joy Ministries, a Refugio church. He also confirmed the Woodsboro dome was not meant for the public to shelter in.
But Rodriguez and many other city residents never knew of the Joy Ministries' availability as a shelter. Blashke said limited resources prevented the county from opening additional public places of refuge in the city.
Although the county judge said Joy Ministries was advertised as a shelter option on Facebook, a lack of sufficient time prevented officials from spreading the word through local televisions and newspapers.
Refugio native Virginia Perez, 62, who has survived numerous storms said she too did not understand the decision to use the dome for authorities and not the public.
"I think it's ridiculous," she said. "I thought that's what it was for."
seems like refugio county (ree-fuhr-ee-oh) flat out didn't have its act together
CNN reports Rockport, Texas 'weeks away' from having electricity restored.
Fake news?!
Cruz, Cornyn back Texas gov's request for disaster declaration
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/348015-cruz-cornyn-back-texas-governors-request-for-disaster-declaration
utilities from elsewhere will send crews to help rockport and other places
everybody pulls together this is america not communism hello
It will be a long road ahead for some of the smaller towns, especially Rockport where Harvey made landfall. It took the brunt of the storm, and Houston got the flooding.
You understand FEMA disaster declarations are by the President, right? Congress doesn't decide that.
@182. I don't think there has been hypocrisy.
And the Alamo was a win.
God love'ya down there, DRJ.
Stay dry, DRJ, check your roof, park your cars in the highest point in the neighborhood (usually grocery store parking lots) have bottled water on hand, charge your phones, have gas for your generator and don't worry, cold spam and baked beans from a can tastes pretty good after five days of no power.
@189- Yes. More than I like to. Enduring three of those messes was enough.
Mr. Harvey actually made 2 landfalls the first was in rockport as a cat 4 then it scootered across copano bay and landfalled again as a cat 3 and headed inland
how lovely is this
i bet i should probably say was huh
cold spam and baked beans from a can tastes pretty good after five days of no power
this is CNN fake news
All the low-effort libs here persisting in unfunny jokes and WHATABOUTSANDY long after being refuted in detail, maybe we righties should give antifa a chance to make sure you get the bullet first.
@193- Fake news flooding in from all over: CNN reporting TV station KHOU TV, Houston flooding- and their building has flood gates built around it.
Check that warranty, y'all.
@187 – everybody pulls together this is america
Don't let a Lone Star stater hear that.
Maybe you should carefully check to see whether you can import boatloads of illiterate Irish and German fighters to sub for your draft card and attack your political enemies before you go mouthing off like that again.
His as dance as depleted uranium, fake newscreferrs to apocryphal dpsrories that are unverifiable.
Yeah screw those 173,000 Texans in the US military who are probably racists and could care less about the rest of the country. Hmmm….more deep thoughts….oh yeah….screw Republicans! Yeah!
"Some line from some flick with George Kennedy in it that seems to be a good metaphor for my stupid political posturing."
Fresh water or fresh fresh water?
@115 DC
People from NJ don't know how to forge a watermark? I could do it with a lift and an above ground pool.
@199. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rt1VicF5-0
"…Just walking in the rain… Goin' back to Houston, Houston, Houston…" – Dean Martin, 1965
New Jersey law clearly states you can't total a car that has less than two bodies in the trunk.
If your a sandy survivor who has to eat canned beans after 5 measly days without power, you should have came out of the cellar as a kid and figured out how to survive. During a Minnesota winter we would go for weeks without power and still eat steak. DCSCA you are one spoiled cellar dweller. Be prepared next time.
I hope the saltwater didn't negatively impact Bruce Springsteen's farmland.
People from NJ can't even pump their own gas bro.
The GOP needs to pound and pound and pound the fact that they, typically, insisted that Houstonians accept the world as it is (GTFO! A biblical flood is coming!). The Dem mayor dealt in the world she would rather have.
For now, governments need to move heaven and earth to rescue the ignorant and the fools. Once life and death matters are settled, that's it. No federal aid to rebuild (excepting for federal properties, eg the airports and interstate highways) . Am I heartless? Nope.
Where is all the concern for individual homeowners who lose everything to a tornado, fire, or some other hyper-localized event? Their loss is every bit as horrific. They get bupkis.
If anyone wants to contribute to fixing, please recall the treachery of the United Way, who spent more than 2/3 of the hundreds if millions donated on its own programs, some of which were at best tangentially related to helping out the Sandy victims. Be SUPER vigilant in identifying the entity(s) to whom you may support. Me? I am sending some cash to the Salvation Army.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 8/27/2017 @ 4:50 pm
People from New Jersey elect governors who come out of the closet when they give no-show jobs to their Israeli boyfriends and others who "lose" $1.5 billion in investment schemes.
A New Yorker and his Jersey friend were driving along when all of a sudden the New Yorker slams on the brakes.
There was a sheep with her head stuck in the fence and the New Yorker says, "hey, us guys from the Bronx never pass up an opportunity like this!" And he gets out and has his way with the sheep.
Then the guy from New York turns to his friend from New Jersey and says, "it's your turn."
And the Jersey guy bends over and sticks his head in the fence.
Cheers, Col.
Backatcha, mg.
Private boat owners aka the Cajun Navy heading to Houston to help in search and rescue. C'est magnifique!
Of we didn't have basenghis. Like Ryan and Mcdonnell that would happen ed, but don't hold your breath.
@207. It always looks good on paper until all hell breaks loose.
8 years ago, seemingly all of Houston evacuated ahead of Hurricane Rita
By Carol Christian, Chron.com / Houston Chronicle Updated 2:53 pm, Tuesday, September 24, 2013
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/8-years-ago-seemingly-all-of-Houston-evacuated-4839142.php
No one has abused the over rated rock and roll saxophone as much as the hypocritical springsteen.
new jersey can keep him.
DRJ@135
Flood insurance is usually linked to mortgages (required by the lender) based on FEMA flood zone map. You can check by location here.
https://msc.fema.gov/portal/search
Generally, if FEMA thinks your area might flood, the lender requires it. If FEMA does not, then it's up to the homeowner. I think FEMA used historical data, whivh means expect a bunch of Texans to be told in a year or so by their lender to get flood insurance.
(I am assuming the situation in Florida is the same nationally, since the maps come from FEMA.)
kishnevi (c91988) — 8/27/2017 @ 5:08 pm
That's is the thing about choices, you have consequences either way. It would have saved gives in Katrina, had nagin cooperated.
@141 happyfeet
"Southern" anything requires scrutiny.
@212. Non. C'est dommage.
Good info, kishnevi.
The Boss abuses the guitar (also his vocal cords and other stuff). The sax was the art of the late great Clarence.
If you want to refer to ex-presidents who engage in abusive sax, however, I will not dissent.
@216. That sounds right– although data beyond FEMA might be in the mix from lenders. But the requirement seems long overdue for a lot of coastal and East Texas close to the Gulf. Regardless, it's going to eventually mix into all our insurance rates in time.
Harvey has brought over 20 inches of rain to portions of southeast Texas since Thursday night. The forward motion with Harvey has stalled. Due to this slow motion, another 15 to 25 inches of rainfall is expected through Thursday. Storm totals in some locations may approach 50 inches. This is producing devastating flooding. Numerous Flash Flood Warnings are in effect.
http://www.weather.gov/
Probably good to remember that Houston was always doomed:
http://www.amerika.org/politics/the-great-houston-flood-of-2016-and-the-consequences-of-minority-rule/
houston has a boy mayor now Mr. SFV nobody knows what happened to the lesbian one she just stopped coming to work and the papers piled up outside her house
neighbors would knock but nobody would come to the door
a forlorn and increasingly hungry-looking and bedraggled french bulldog would appear at the window
but one day he too disappeared
some say she went on a cruise and accidentally falled over
other people say she wasn't never really no lesbian at all and she ran off with this car salesman guy she met on the tinder
sometimes when the wind drifts over the bayou people hear her calling for her lost lesbian lover "don't evacuate baby I'm a comin for you" she says
but who knows
the truth, as ever, is probably somewhere in between
See why I saw credence Clearwater as the theme for this thread,
Rollins, Hawkins, Young ,Adderly, Colemen, Coltrane, Parker, Getz. These guys know sax.
Most BRUTAL line from the article:
"Where have environmental groups been in this whole process? Environmental groups are staffed by trust fund kids from the dying white establishment and the diversity/affirmative action hires who accept the lower pay for shorter hours. This pairs people with no sense of reality with people who could care less about being effective."
It's the type of line that could get you thrown out of court, but use it when you want to be truthful about stuff.
No talk of the Halliburton rain making machine by the cellar dweller bros.
And Rahsaan Roland Kirk who would play three saxes at once – a true trisaxual.
Ugh, the Vikings look most pitiful tonight.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/27/2017 @ 5:42 pm
Kirk played quite a few instruments if I remember correctly. Talented and always had something to say.
Bud Grant is not walking through that door, felipe.
You'll get no argument from me, mg.
"The only reason I can see for a head coach getting credit for something good is that he gets so much blame when something is bad. The whole secret, I think, is to not react to either the good or the bad."
DCSCA, I do not see any inconsistency in preserving spending for true emergencies and reducing corruption and pork spending, which is what these Texas politicians were voting for. I also think when Texas is in a crisis, making light of your political differences suggests you do not wish to see them helped if they didn't grease the wheels of corruption previously.
It's not a good look.
Texas takes some rough weather every now and then, and we'll get through this. If the democrats want to make it absolutely clear that we cannot count on the federal government or the democratic party, that's the political reality we will respond to. No doubt a lot of folks here recall how Obama handled Texas disaster relief.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/27/2017 @ 5:59 pm
Coaching is important in the NFL more so than any other team sport.
I do not see any inconsistency in preserving spending for true emergencies and reducing corruption and pork spending, which is what these Texas politicians were voting for.
You would if you were making that academic argument standing in waist high water pelted by stinging rain, whipped by hurricane winds watching your home float away and posessions ruined. Pork greases wheels.
This hasn't even begun for them yet. It's the hell in the months ahead that's going to be daunting. Once the sun shines, a lot of stuff is going to have to be raised and rebuilt from the ground up. The real sadness in this is unlike most of these storms which hit, move on and blow out in hours or a day or two, Harvey's gonna hover there for most of this week dumping water. And then, there's always a chance of another storm or lesser rain events in the season to come.
They won't even begin to get a grasp on the level of basic infrastructure repair necessary until the rains stop and water starts to recede — beginning next weekend– let alone insurance assessments, basic hygiene issues, power, fresh water, food and fuel (salt water isn't good for electric gas pumps) kids in school and so on.
The media will leave, Labor Day arrives– then Thanksgiving comes on quick. It's going to get cool and crummy around them part into the holidays faster than anyone will like.
happyfeet, this live oak reminded me of our conversation about trees.
More here on the Dickinson story. They were supposed to evacuate but didn't. Hopefully everyone recovers.
Do you think Texas has never seen hurricanes or floods, DCSCA?
Very happy to see the report from Beldar. Less pleased to see DCSCA comments. I hope any aid to Texas is not larded up with irrelevant doodads on some politician's Christmas list, as the Sandy relief bill was.
Patterico (b9d253) — 8/27/2017 @ 6:32 pm
@240- DRJ, the NWS is calling this a 'once in a thousand year event' so likely no, not on this scale for this much of an extended period. Remember, this is just the beginning- it isn't even half over yet and the models the NWS are projecting aren't bringing smiles to forecasters. We'll see how things are there abouts around Thanksgiving.
It would seem the mayor of Dickinson did tell people to leave, and the nursing home owner chose not to.
But DCSCA has a point. After most hurricanes, the cleanup can begin within a few hours, or at least when the waters start to recede. Because Harvey is stalled, not only will the waters not start receding, but they're liable to get worse over the next couple of days.
He's fishing for people to be impressed by his "So no sh** there I was…" war stories from the Great Jersey Deluge. Better listen to him, you separatist rubes, lest you find yourself shivering under tarpaper in the frigid Texas November wondering when the government will come and teach you how to use a sump pump.
" Witty quip from Rat Pack that complements my wit and disdain."
@241- That's as maybe but Northeasterners aren't about to let those left of the 'Texas 23' or their senate colleagues forget how they voted when they were in need of help in the months- and years- after Sandy.
@243- It's going to a long time. Just thinking about the infrastructure issues– basic individual homes; insulation and electrical wiring in whole neighborhoods- towns; not to mention transportation– and dealing w/insurance firms and so forth. It's almost like rebuilding after a battle in a war. 'Course the upside is it is going to create a lot of job demand- for construction work and so forth.
DCSCA, we have once in a 100/500/1000 year weather events all the time. Texas' weather is extreme so we frequently exceed the forecasts.
Any obstruction from Democrats, of any denomination — House, Senate, or Deep State, is going to be all about using Harvey to embarrass Trump the way they used Katrina to embarrass the Shrub, and any "retaliation" will be incidental. Waiting for Houston's "chocolate Mayor" to kick off the whining a la Ray Nagin (you gotta admit, he had the name fur it).
nk (dbc370) — 8/27/2017 @ 6:50 pm
Tell it, DRJ. Texas isn't Bangladesh-On-The-Bayou or the Spaghetto Shore.
Here are what Weather.com describes as 8 jaw dropping photos of Houston's flood.
@244. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTbTHlTmDX8
"Galveston, oh Galveston…I still hear your seawinds blowing…" – Glen Campbell, 1969
@247. LOL touche.
That was the once in a lifetime flood in 2015, DCSCA, and for the most part Houston had already recovered. That happened primarily downtown, around the Loop, and at the Medical Center. This is a similar flood but in a much larger area.
So people are not confused, those pictures are from the flood of May 2015.
@249. That's right, nk, you tell it– everything's bigger in Texas– including disasters.
@253- Yeah, saw a report on 'flood gates' installed– that seem to be failing in spots. KHOU-TV was awash. Frankly it's just sort of surprising given the flood history of the region how it's getting overwhelmed. Can't really chalk it up to poor planning but likely the scope and size of this event.
The Alamo was a losing battle in a winning war. It's worth remembering because it teaches us not to give up.
You gotta love that HEB is already sending relief conveys, but kishnevi is correct that the direction of the rain just means a longer wait until waters start to go down. There's going to be a lot of rebuilding.
Austin just completed the Waller creek flood diversion thing they've been working on for decades, and it seems to have helped a great deal.
True, but what a strange thing for DCSCA to be quipping about. Is the Texas revolution a sore issue for him or is he just trying to take digs at Texas for some strange reason? I'm having trouble following his train of thought.
A few decades from now when the entire middle class of California has completed its migration to Austin, they might figure out public transportation, too.
Spokesman says Christie misspoke on Trump's Hurricane Sandy aid – July 18, 2016
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's spokesman said that the governor misspoke Monday when he cited a donation by presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump to Superstorm Sandy relief efforts as a sign of his generosity.
Christie told Michigan's Republican delegation in Ohio Monday that his wife, Mary Pat Christie, asked the billionaire businessman for a donation. "One of her first calls was to Donald Trump. And it wasn't a long phone call. He said, 'Mary Pat, I like Chris, but I'm scared of you.' He said, 'How much does the check need to be? Just tell me and I'll send it.'"
But Trump isn't listed in a final report thanking the more than 150 people and companies that donated at least $25,000 to the Hurricane Sandy New Jersey Relief Fund effort run by Christie's wife, Mary Pat, after the devastating 2012 storm.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spokesman-says-christie-misspoke-on-trumps-hurricane-sandy-aid/
Discussion in the music forum brought up comparison to Allison
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Allison
At Noon today, the Harris County Sheriff's office said this is the first time in modern history that all 22 of Harris County watersheds have exceeded their banks. The flooding is bad but it's the scope that is so devastating.
@257. As our beloved President would quip in a New York minute: "Losers!"
Said no Texan ever. Wow, Jersey Boy really has the entire state figured out.
"Lyric that's clever when Harry Nilsson sings it but makes me look even more pretentious when I paste it."
@259: Dustin, see #22.
That's why.
DCSCA is mad at Texas and Texas politicians for some reason.
And an update from a member of that forum who lives on the west side of Houston
I think we're just all in the same boat, completely stressed out 😮
I'm sure many of you have been watching the news – "horrific" is an understatement.
Popping by here as we've kind of done all we can do preparation-wise right now, it's just waiting out a marathon of hell.
Thankfully we are on the second floor so our residence is safe, just worried about our cars right now. There are thousands and thousands in so much worse shape right now, cutting out of their roofs being rescued by boat.
In the five years I've lived in this location, we never had water up near us through several massive floods, but this time the bayous are out EVERYWHERE. It's just unimaginable devastation, looks like it will be even worse than TS Allison in 2001, and that was apocalyptic.
SW Houston is under a tornado warning right now, in areas where people are currently in rising water hoping for rescue.
I don't really have any more words for the situation taking place right now, all the way from the Hill Country to Louisiana.
Please take a moment to send some good vibes/prayers/anti-rain dances – anything positive our way, for the next several days.
His reasoning is flawed, if 22 is really the reason.
Trump would say that, DCSCA. You have that in common.
@269- No. Voting NO was a no-no. And Northeasterners aren't going to let any of them left forget it in the weeks and months ahead.
hah i know that tree DRJ mom and dad took us there when we were little
we used to summer in rockport, mom and us kids, in an rv we parked down there
and dad would come down on weekends with the dog
there were two pools and lots of games and we'd fish on the pier but crabbing was only for if we were going back home cause that's the only place mom would cook them
when she wasn't looking we'd walk out on the marina seawall and there were porpoises there what you could almost touch but cause we were so little they were terrifyingly large beasts
last time we went was when dad was in declining health but before oxygen and we had a great time except we stayed in the rooms they had – not in an rv – and some people not me had fire ants in their room and that was unpleasant for them
then we went home cause of there was a hurricane coming and it came right at us it sure did
that's the only time I've ever been in the eye of a hurricane
it was very humid i remember, standing in the garage sipping red wine
then all the neighbors came out to the street and we passed the time until the eye had passed
that little bare bones resort we'd stay at, I'm really afraid how it fared
An entire region of the country's population thanks you for presuming that all of its inhabitants possesses the same petty, spiteful soul as yours.
We used to summer in Rockport, too, until Carla. It can be really nice there.
@272. And now it's firewood. Which may just be needed in the weeks ahead.
Or table tops for some enterprising artistes to craft left in town.
Yes, DCSCA, it's clear that New Yorkers are going to try to get even with Texas.
You didn't read the article accurately, DCSCA. The 1000-year-old tree survived. The littler, younger trees fell.
it's gonna be awhile yet before i get back there i think
All the better. Still, kindling anew, firewood – once it dries out, they're gonna need it.
they might send it through a chipper and use it for smoking tasty chickens too
lots of mesquite down that way and i'm a big big fan of just about anything smoked with mesquite
my little brother though, who grills more or less professionally on summer weekends, he's not a fan of it though
you can buy mesquite flour too they make it with the seed pods i believe
C'mon, DRJ. You know the history of DCSCA's posts over the past few years. He gets out of hand, goes too far, and then goes away.
After a period of absence, he'll come back, seemingly nice. Then ramp up the snotty commentary, get out of hand, and go too far.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
If he keeps it up, Patterico (well, a lot of long-term readers and commenters) has a long list of things DCSCA has written in the past that were cray-cray deluxe.
I'm just hoping that he'll stick to the fact that some folks in Texas could use some help, and good wishes. I have seen him be decent to people struggling.
Politics—even partisan trolling—can wait.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 8/27/2017 @ 7:35 pm
It's a difficult decision. I have pick-up, a chainsaw and a canoe. I'd like to head south and help. But running that chainsaw, that truck, will take gas. I'm willing to camp out. But I'll need clean water. How is south Texas for clean water?
Advise. These are only a few if my concerns,
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/27/2017 @ 7:37 pm
@282. Wait until it stops raining.
Mr. DCSCA's just blowing smoke it's ok
everything's going to be ok
the recharge zone for the edwards aquifer could've gotten a little more soggy i think
but maybe them rain bands can make it over there before all's said and done
Mr. Jester, my Marine friends taught me that what goes in must come out. I don't think in terms of food but latrines.
here Mr. 57
i got one of these from when Mr. Instapundit linked em one day
@281. See #26.
They're gonna need several of those mobile laundries in East Texas for a time. Drivers, too. Don't let an opportunity pass you by.
Or was it the Seabees?
The Mayor says the water is fine.
26 hours of continuous rain here at my house on the Northwest side of Houston. We've measured 22 inches of rain so far in that time. I'm dry but there are houses flooding in my neighborhood that have never flooded in 30 years. I have a downtown house that has a foot of water in the garage. It sits on White Oak Bayou and is built up 4′. So far nothing in the house, just the garage.
The Flood control district is going to start controlled release of the two main reservoirs at 2 am in the morning to prevent the dams from failing. It will cause more people to flood but hopefully divert disaster. In addition Lake Conroe north of Houston is at capacity and doing controlled release into the San Jacinto river, which is flooding. The flood district says people affected will have water in their homes for up to a month. I'll be heading down to help clean-up as soon as I can get out of my neighborhood. Right now we are water-locked on all sides. Can't go more than a mile without hitting high water.
I understand the humor and light-hearted jesting but this is really quite serious and traumatic for many people so keep everyone in your thoughts and prayers. A lot of people are going to be displaced for months.
On the bright side my jury duty for Federal court tomorrow was cancelled…. lol
marci (e5bb26) — 8/27/2017 @ 7:50 pm
@276. What goes around, comes around, DRJ.
We tried to tell y'all one day it was going to be your turn in Mixmaster.
But he also said don't evacuate, so …
That is your world, DCSCA. New York Values.
@289 The Mayor says the water is fine.
Until it's not. And people get sick. Even if folks already filled bathtubs and containers before the storm – boil it before use until the storm is gone.
You can use the wood you cut up as fuel to boil water, I suppose. (And bring chlorine.) Gas for the truck is probably the biggest if. Assume it will be unavailable until you get out of the storm area. (And remember that gas stations won't be able to pump gas without electricity or their own generator is in place.) Also remember that cellphone towers will probably be out of service once they drain their reserve batteries.
But he of the five letter anagram is right that cleanup will take quite a while. You don't need to decide immediately.
@293- Texas values were screw the Northeast. Lest we forget Tedtoo's quipping, too.
So you're really saying if Texans don't support tons and tons of pork under the name of disaster relief, that justifies not helping Texans with actual disaster relief.
This is just another of many examples of the left's effort to make everything political, let no crisis go to waste, and to express domination. This is the source of the frustration that saw Trump become president, whether I personally wanted him to or not.
Unfortunately for you, the democrats do not possess enough power to follow through on your threat. The Republicans hold both houses of congress and the white house. So perhaps Texans have better things to worry about than your frustration that the Alamo is remembered or that you didn't get your pork bill or whatever.
Me at 295 was a reply to Steve, if that is not clear.
Steve57, it's probably better to stay home at this point.
The Alamo was like Thermopylae. A delaying action that gave Texas time to prepare for the victory at San Jacinto, the way Thermopylae let the Greeks for the victories at Salamis and Plataea. And the Texans managed to capture Santa Ana where the Greeks had failed to capture either Xerxes or Artemisia. So there.
let the Greeks *prepare* for
@290. I understand the humor and light-hearted jesting but this is really quite serious and traumatic for many people so keep everyone in your thoughts and prayers. A lot of people are going to be displaced for months.
'Course, Marci. It's the out time that's going to be difficult as things slowly get back online- once the media leaves and national attention fades– and on top of that, 'regular' weather patterns return. It's not like it's never going to rain again in Southeast Texas until New Year's. Basic day-to-day life is going to be a PITA for a long while. And the country will do what it can– even for "Texas."
marci, you might want to think about getting out for a day or so. The rain doesn't look like it's going to stop real quick.
Keep safe.
True, nk, but my guess is that DCSCA isn't receptive to a Texas history lesson, tonight or anytime.
This is just another of many examples of the left's effort to make everything political, let no crisis go to waste, and to express domination.
And every time they reveal what soulless petty shrews they are:
And the country will do what it can– even for "Texas." What a jackass.
Best wishes, marci. I have family members near you and they are saying many of the things you said. I am proud of all of you for your courage and endurance during very difficult times.
i tried to get some more news but the cnn jake tapper fake news propaganda sluts they're already using this to foist their stupid climate change hoax on people
we're getting some nice and welcome rain here in chicago tonight btw
rain is a good thang
just not for houston cause you don't evacuate and you're not very well prepared to shelter in place it seems
you have to own that
We don't believe in the benefits of corruption, DCSCA. Is that what you have about Texas?
@297- So you're really saying if Texans don't support tons and tons of pork under the name of disaster relief, that justifies not helping Texans with actual disaster relief.
That's essentially the pitch made by Texas senators and the 'Texas 23' about Sandy aid, isn't it.
King's POV is very easy to understand; he represents Staten Island and it was slammed bad in Sandy. DRJ, that's a very academic and ideological argument you have but doesn't hold much water standing in waist high muck pelted by stinging rain, whipped by hurricane winds watching your home float away, possessions ruined and your livelihood displaced. This is not a day or a week problem. It's going be months of clean-up there.
Pork greases wheels. Always has, always will.
When the aid bill/package comes up in the autumn as it's getting cold and crummy and Texas stinks like Bayonne, the roads remain a buckled mess, homes with rotting wiring and moldy insulation and power is still spotty in places– and there's pork on the bone of the bill, your Congressional critters will vote for it and likely so will the Northeasterners- but not w/o reminding them all of their Sandy vote. And rightly so.
peter king is trash
he's always been trash
It will be enlightening to see what happens.
@300. As our beloved President would quip, "A loss is a loss. They're losers. I like winners."
And the country will do what it can– even for "Texas."
You see, that's the difference between you and me. I don't see you as a northerner, the enemy, a liberal, opposition, white, black, purple, straight, gay, homeless, rich, poor, Christian, Buddhist, atheist, a jerk… okay, maybe a jerk… but I wouldn't see you as someone to simply tolerate because you live in a certain state that is going through a disaster of unbelievable proportions. I see you as a person. A real living human being. And that makes you valuable no matter who you are, what you are, or where you are. Politics do not rule my heart or my values.
@311. More like profitable.
A lot of local contractors and construction firms there in Texas are going to be very busy in the next few months. So there's a silver lining.
@313. Good for you, Marci.
Boil your water.
@310- He may be a piece of GOP trash but tonight his power is on, his dinner was hot and you'll want his vote when the aid bill comes up.
marci,
For some reasdon, DCSCA is not happy with Texans. K think that happens when people think someone is down and they want to add to the pain, but don't let him do that. Stay strong.
@305 And the country will do what it can– even for "Texas." What a jackass.
And Tedtoo's Canadian by birth, too. Green eggs and ham should look pretty tasty in about a week.
What I find amusing is that Jersey Boy thinks Texans should all "listen up" and follow his advice if you rubes know what's good for you. He's been in the war after all and "you yokels don't know what it's like."
Well, Texans often think that's very wasteful and it's better to preserve disaster relief spending, this urgent, quickly voted upon stuff, for actual disaster spending. Many of us think the politicians who see the crisis and lard it up for personal or political gain are ghouls, holding their own citizens hostage. In that way, I guess King is easy to understand. He was a greedy ghoul and he's jealous of men who aren't. Had that bill you're mad about been pure, necessary disaster relief, you know Ted Cruz and pals would have supported it.
Your anger at Texas is also easy to understand. You want Texas to face a more dismal recovery as vengeance for not supporting ghoulish pork, but democrats were rejected in the last election. My advice: let it go. You're drinking the poison and hoping the other guy dies. Not a good look.
@317. Happy?! See #22.
What goes around comes around.
And Tedtoo's Canadian by birth, too.
He was born an American citizen. Does that bother you? He's as much an American as you are, even if he's Cuban or has conservative views. He has just as much claim on the flag and this land as you do. Must be pretty hard to accept, what with the hatred.
@319. On the contrary. Boast away and make your own way – w/o any Federal aid, if you can. The 'yokel's' on you; your tell is a reveal.
@marci, I've ridden ought mamy a hurricane/Taifun. I have no misunderstanding of the seriousness of your situation. For God's sake stay safe and stay dry.
But a light hear goes a long way.
@DRJ, your advice is, as always, invaluable.
Your "tell" repeatedly is that you're a very petty, small little man whose immediate go-to is to filter human suffering through the lens of your one-dimensional partisan identity. Marci sized you up perfectly and you slunk away in the face of an honest person telling you what a jerk you are.
His a ghoul, marci. A strigoi. Is he has revealed himself.
** …A light heart.***
That was supposed to be "irrelevant doodads on some politician's Christmas list" and not "irrelevant googles."
Damn you autocorrect
Patterico (115b1f) — 8/27/2017 @ 8:48 pm
Ted Cruz is from Canada.
You should probably change the battery in your CO detector btw.
Pinandpuller (a7f556) — 8/27/2017 @ 8:48 pm
@320- Well, Texans often think that's very wasteful and it's better to preserve disaster relief spending, this urgent, quickly voted upon stuff, for actual disaster spending. Many of us think the politicians who see the crisis and lard it up for personal or political gain are ghouls, holding their own citizens hostage… You want Texas to face a more dismal recovery as vengeance for not supporting ghoulish pork, but democrats were rejected in the last election.
Urgent? Revisit the urgency of fighting and battling over Sandy relief as real folks suffered and winter closed in along the Northeast coast. Recall Sandy was an end-of-October- event. 'Course there was a national telethon to raise funds. Let's see if there's one for Southeast Texas; I'd send a 'confederate' buck or two.
Pork greases the wheels of legislation. It's been that way throughout history.
As to 'dismal recovery' – wouldn't wish that hell on them or any other part of the country. But King's POV– and he's an early voice from the Northeast so far– is totally understandable and should be expected. Staten Island was a wreck after Sandy [not that it was a paradise before hand.]
Texas will get help — if only because it's in the greater national interest.
A beautiful sentiment, marci. The fact that it is apparently lost on DCSCA does not mean that it is lost on the rest of us.
Also, definitely a jerk. On this thread at least.
Not always. But on this thread for sure.
A rare happyfeet comment that I find totally persuasive.
@328- P– 'doodads.'
You've been with the older folks; hope your family reunion went well. Envy your total solar eclipse viewing. You should swing by the post office; the USPS has issued a 'total solar eclipse' stamp that darkens/lightens at the touch of your finger. So now we can play with our mail.
Well, let's wait and see how Senator (or is it Congressman?) DCSCA finally votes. He might change his mind once an actual Bill is introduced.
Gollum has become very tedious, as he hangs on to his precious.
Glenn Beck and his Mercury One charity has a remarkable record of getting the basics very quickly and right directly to the folks in a disaster who need it most. He will most certainly be worth a listen at 9 AM ET this morning. He insists that every nickel donated goes to the folks. The trucks and fuel and administrative costs come from his company and friends.
There are people & families sitting on their roof right now who have lost everything. Your political hurricane hot take can wait
— Stephen Miller (@redsteeze) August 27, 2017
@335- nk- If he can, King and crew will press for a procedural vote to vote 'no' then a 'yes' but they'll likely not fly so regardless, once the Northeasterers make their point about Sandy, Texas will get Federal aid – gee, maybe Trump will want to lard up the aid package with funding for 'The Wall' rather than mess w/t debt ceiling.
Like that didn't occur w/Sandy— or Katrina.
Well, how much influence do Texas Democrats have in the party nationally? (I, personally, have no idea.) I don't see them standing still for the national party making their constituents unhappy.
Sheila Jackson Lee vs. Peter King. Whom would you put your money on?
@341. Texas 'democrats' are relative rare birds. Wont be surprised if there's a ploy to stick funding for the Trump border wall into a Texas aid package– you know, an infrastructure expenditure for that part of the region anyway. It's a craftier way to get it partly financed then holding the debt limit hostage and causing a 'storm' in global financial markets.
@342- W/a GOP majority in Congress- King. But he'll vote for aid anyway once he's done showboating.
And there's this Democrat Congressperson challenging Cruz in 2018. ?
I thought DC was more likely to remember Los Alamos.
As marci mentioned above, water will be released tonight and tomorrow:
The corps plans to release water by 2 a.m. Monday at Addicks and 11 a.m. at Barker. Each will be set to release about 4,000 cubic feet of water per second, about double what they release during normal operations, and they will stay open for several weeks, Zetterstrom said. But even that release won't be enough to ease the dam because water flowing in from northern Harris County and Fort Bend is greater than the water released.
Officials are hoping the dying storm system will provide some relief and allow for greater releases and the week progresses.
All roads around the dams will be closed prior to releases.
Zetterstrom said the water taken in by the dam from the storms is unparalleled and will exceed records set in 2015 and 2016.
He said weather models shows that water would begin rising 4 to 6 inches an hour by early Monday morning.
VITAL LINE OF DEFENSE: Addicks and Barker were built to protect the heart of the city by controlling the flow of water along Buffalo Bayou. Things haven't gone as planned. What's at stake is the safety of the nation's fourth-largest city. If the dams failed, half of Houston would be underwater. Under the worst scenario at Addicks, property damages could reach $22.7 billion and 6,928 people could die.
DC is still a little sore that Washington attacked Trenton.
Just some poor Germans doing the jobs the English wouldn't do.
That is a worthwhile concern, DRJ. It makes the cost of the cleanup at this point luxury thinking.
@347 Well, I expect a fair number of non-believers, even, will send a prayer or two upwards, that the dams don't fail, due to hidden flaws or some accident or miscalculation. If the forecasts are correct, the next two or three days will be fully bad enough.
In this regard, I suspect that the wiser choice would be to put off a Presidential sojourn to the area – which last I heard was scheduled for Tuesday.
To put it in terms he uses…
"Mr. DCSCA, here is a dime. Go and call your mother. Tell her there is very serious doubt that you will ever become a human being."
Professor Kingsfield (John Houseman), The Paper Chase
Chuck Bartowski (211c17) — 8/27/2017 @ 9:53 pm
All right. Which one of you showed DC the Queen of Diamonds?
We're not going home till someone fesses up.
@347- DRJ, suppose Trump presses to lard up a Texas aid bill w/funding for the Trump Wall as an infrastructure expenditure in the Texas region rather than tie it to the debt ceiling or mess w/a CR and risk a 'storm' in the global financial markets. Is that slice of pork acceptable?
@347. The cameras are there. The media is there. You think he's going to let himself be upstaged by God or Mother Nature!?
^ meant for Q at 351
@282 Steve57
It sounds like you could use a Katadyn water filter.
You also sound a little like the guy who has a canoe, a fox, a duck and a bag of grain.
Sorry, for serious I would go to a truck stop and buy an inverter for your truck. Get an extra chain and a sharpening jig and some files. Tarps. Floatation devices. NVG and IR emmiters. Safety glasses, hearing protection, chaps, hip waders. Go nuts man.
It's tough to train a cadaver dog. Dogs like people. It's hard on them when they keep hitting on dead people. They get depressed.
Another reason to stay away for now. Nobody could care for my dog.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/27/2017 @ 10:05 pm
Well he is certainly of the annelid family.
Are we back to this care again. W was flayed for not going to new Orleans post haste, in part because of the tripe the times picayune let go through their transom about sniper fire, and cannubakusm
What truck stop, exactly, Pinandpuller, do you suggest? I honestly don't want to make the situation worse. That starts with, I dunno, not crowding the roads.
@356 DCSA – I have close to nil expectations that in any particular situation DJT will do the competent, reasonable or honorable thing. Yet still, I would expect that here he might very well. If only because were he to favor Texas with his presence at present, he could hardly expect himself not to self-aggrandize (or to blame Clinton / McConnell / etc.); and surely, surely, even he has enough self-awareness to realize that would likely be self-defeating. No?
Q! (267694) — 8/27/2017 @ 10:13 pm
Do you have a Northern Tools anywhere nearby? I'm not talking about our Jersey friend. It's actually super awesome. I'd go there and Tractor Supply.
Get a reflective vest. They have hardhats with face-shields and ear pods built in.
Anything you would take camping or to a rave.
This is a marathon, Steve57. They will need people with fortitude and skills who are ready to pitch in when the current responders need relief.
DCSCA: No.
DRJ (d35869) — 8/27/2017 @ 10:14 pm
361 Apologies for the careless bolding.
If you are a coffee guy you might get some evaporated milk in the cans. Jerky. Even Wal Mart has dehydrated food back in the camping section.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvnTrA8AbtA
Double Underway Replenishment • U.S. Navy
You're going to have to teach me about truck stops. Mr geography professor. I didn't learn much about them. But I know how to power southern texas.
Ranger Dick, everybody.
Don't eat the big white mint.
You need a bumper sticker
My Other Gun Is 16 Inches
Another bumper sticker thought:
Sean Penn is my first mate.
@361 – LOL Facing down Mother Nature and putting her in her-Access-Hollywood-place would be so… Trump 101.
@363- Don't be surprised if Bannon hasn't been on the horn to Miller about cookin' up that piece-a-pork already. It's a morsel even Mnunchin and Cohn might find tasty.
@360- Steve57, TWC is broadcasting that they're still evacuating areas as it's all still unfolding. The call still seems to be for flat bottom boats and 4X4 vehicles. Might consider waiting until the rains taper off later in the week so you'll know where best to go.
Harris County emergency services announced it can't get boats into the area because of flooded roads, so that's why they asked for people in the area who have boats to come forward. It appears they have had a good response.
Tampons, maxi pads, travel shampoo, bar soap, mouthwash, toothpaste, toothbrushes, bleach. Don't mislabel.
Pinandpuller (a7f556) — 8/27/2017 @ 10:46 pm
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2017/0825/Texas-continues-evacuations-as-Hurricane-Harvey-strengthens
I should head south. So, what, exactly? You can be proud of me? There are millions heading north. I want to let them.
I could clog the roads heading south with my piddling chainsaw and Toyota truck.
Or, here is a thought. I could help the refugees when they get here.
My other gun is powered by a pair of Pratt & Whitney jet engines.
I hope all the people in flooded homes know to turn off the electricity. Some poor man died grasping the rail of a cart corral; I would guess he was somehow electrocuted, downed line somewhere.
Patricia (5fc097) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:03 pm
There 'ya go, DRJ; NYers won't abandon y'all after all…
Rep. King: NY won't 'abandon' Texas despite 'hypocrite' Ted Cruz
"Several of New York's congressional representatives are pledging to support federal relief for hurricane-stricken Texas, even though some of their Texas counterparts voted against aid for Superstorm Sandy victims.
Massive flooding and devastation has been reported in Houston and other areas in southeastern Texas in the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey, which made landfall as a Category 4 storm. Texans will require millions of dollars in federal relief following the storm.
Some lawmakers have pointed out that when New York needed the same after Superstorm Sandy struck in 2012, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) voted against it.
Rep. Peter King (R-Seaford) hasn't forgiven Cruz for it, and last night he sent a reminder to the junior senator from Texas. King tweeted that he'll vote for Harvey aid, saying "NY won't abandon Texas."
Rep. Kathleen Rice (D-Garden City) retweeted King's message and said she'd do the same.
"Ted Cruz was one of the leaders of trying to keep New York and Long Island and New Jersey from getting the funding we needed, and now he's the first one in asking for aid for Texas," Rep. King says. "But as badly as I feel toward Ted Cruz, and what a hypocrite he is, I'm not going to take it out on the people of Texas."
Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-Shirley) and Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-Glen Cove) both say that they, too, will support federal funding for Harvey relief."
longisland.news12.com/…/rep-king-ny-wont-abandon-texas-despite-hypocrite-ted-cruz
Never go into a flood damaged basement until a professional says it's ok. Don't try to salvage your HVAC systems on your own. This kind of s*** will kill you.
I recently renewed my habit of introducing myself to my neighbors. Nobody should die this way.
I'm curious, DCSCA. Why is it do you think I need to give the EMTs more work? Like the don't have enough already.
Or are you suggesting I'm a coward.
crooksandliars.com/cltv/2017/08/cnn-crew-rescues-family-harvey
fake rescue,
fake you, Donald.
http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2017/08/cnn-crew-rescues-family-harvey
DCSCA, you've repeated that same lame point dozens of times now. Once you've explained it the first couple of times, it comes across as trolling to continue.
lawmakers have pointed out that when New York needed the same after Superstorm Sandy
Not the same. Houston doesn't need billions of pork dollars for years in the future. It needs disaster aid for the immediate crisis. You already admitted that the Sandy bill was like tacking on funding for a border wall, demanding DRJ admit she would support it (and of course you were wrong, she doesn't).
New York didn't need most of that porky pork bill. It needed representation that didn't hold its citizens hostage for kickbacks.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/27/2017 @ 11:34 pm
DCSCA
This part is even more amusing. Any time you post a link to CNN and act amazed it's not a lie, you act like that is some kind of repudiation of those who have pointed out CNN's lying in the past. You're only calling attention to just how low your standards for integrity in journalism are.
@381. ????? On the contrary– point is if you feel the need to go help, might want to wait until the weather stabilizes, the rains subside in 36 or 48 hours and there's a place your experience is needed or could be directed to good use by the local authorities on site. Any other projections or suggestions are in your own mind.
@385. Apparently not low enough, Dustin– they had to hoist the poor fella up into their boat.
Dustin, I've done disaster relief. I just want you to know it sucks and it kills you but I would do it again. Haitian kids eating dirt.
@384. The same. They're gonna get it and it'll be served w/pork.
DCSA, you have not once thought about this, have you?
@390. ????? Went through three of these messes w/clean up et. al., w/family/neighbors along t/Jersey shore. Go for it– and be safe.
Thailand, Indonesia, Christmas 2004, Tsunami. Who the h2ll are you?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/28/2017 @ 12:12 am
I know what it's like to show up with support. And without that I would only be a bother.
Have I given my high praise to the helo drivers?
@392. OIC, it's a 'your hell's bigger than my hell thing' – except my hells were my home. You're just a mercenary; a visitor w/a chainsaw lookin' for some recognition on past glories, eh.
Okay, you're a hero. You need the 'I'm a hero thing,' dontcha. So off to Texas w/ya; be gone— and do drive safely.
You may be right. That's the way things work. And it's good to criticize this, wherever it is, because this is exploiting a disaster for greed. But Texas needing some basic aid is not the problem, so I'm not sure why you're critical of the concept of disaster relief. If you were instead calling people hypocrites for opposing the porked up Sandy bill but then porking up the Houston bill, that would make a lot of sense and I'd be agreeing with you. Sounds like DRJ would too, though I hate to put words in her mouth.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/28/2017 @ 12:26 am
@395. You may be right. That's the way things work. And it's good to criticize this, wherever it is, because this is exploiting a disaster for greed.
Yeah, but Dustin, thing is, there's going to be 'exploitation for greed' in this no matter how you look at it — the local contractors around Houston, SE Texas and across the state are going to get first dibs and preferential treatment on getting contracts for rebuilding and have a boom in business in the aftermath. It's a silver lining to look for in it all.
@395- It's gonna get 'porked up' w/something. I'm expecting a possible try to add some local infrastructure financing for the Texas elements of the Trump Wall to the bill rather than try to tie it to the debt ceiling or a CA as that would cause more of a 'storm' in global financial markets. Judt sayin'– it's a ploy they might try.
I'm no hero. I did disaster relief. It was one of many jobs.
^ CA = CR– continuing resolution. Typo.
@398- Then if you feel you can help and want to head to Texas, go for it, Steve. My point was only that it might be wise to wait a day or two until the rains taper off and the extent of damage is better assessed– then you'd know where best to head to or be directed toward by local authorities on site.
I planned for disaster relief. And here you are making me sound like a d*** for planning for it.
@401. ????? So what's your plan? Show up at a Clear Lake Walgreen's wielding a chainsaw? If you know what to do and who to contact to offer your services and experience, do it. There's another storm now heading utoward the Carolinas and Georgia– they may end up needing help, too.
What's the term for evacuating Americans from a foreign country? I used to know it.
@403- Extraction?
My point was only that it might be wise to wait a day or two until the rains taper off and the extent of damage is better assessed
That was my point. I wanted to wait. What again is our difference?
@405. We have none.
Get some sleep, reassess the situation in the light of day and press on accordingly.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/28/2017 @ 1:04 am
It was one of those multi-lingual, multi-fangualed kind of names that guaranteed inside-the-beltway job security because only only the acronym hungry would know it.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/28/2017 @ 1:20 am
Schumer and Gillibrandt loaded the bill with fat trying to pork the American Tax-Payer. The east is full of cheating, lying, repulsive political hacks. These ingrates would steal from their mothers basement.
Thinking positive for all you Texans, hope your all safe.
That's very conscientius on your part, Steve. Ignore disco duck.
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2017 @ 4:46 am
I would be a fool not to take your advise, narciso.
The Blue Angel is, was, a bar in New York.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqFT7nMb7LI
The Blue Angels Execute A Perfect 'Sneak Pass' Michael Berr
I remain eternally proud to belong to the only military or naval organization whose flight demonstration team is named after a bar.
It's not easy to sneak an F and A 18 past somebody.
Steve, remember that DSCA has a long history of inflating his own importance and expertise, to the point of amusing parody (his knowing Werner Von Brahn, playing soccer in the American Embassy in Moscow, dodging rock throwers at the US-Mexico border, owning a fleet of expensive cars). Truly he is the Zelig of Patterico's site.
His goal is to irritate, most of the time.
But he can be decent from time to time. Except when he can claim more righteousness than someone else. Plus, I am hoping some of his tone is due to the internet.
I'm proud of the relief work the Service does overseas. Thank you.
Simon Jester (82e4e0) — 8/28/2017 @ 6:03 am
well mission accomplished simon, sometimes disco is mildly amusing, ben aka semantic aka dana ward never is,
I just want people in trouble to have some assistance. And I want to recognize the people who have gone out of their way to help others.
who's gone out of his way is Mr. Harvey
he's given us the first news story all year what's not based on contrived manufactured CNN Jake Tapper fake news
I'd forgotten what this is like
My goal often is to irritate, as well. This was just some barbs against Cruz, whom we know DCSCA does not like.
On the merits, the Texas delegation, Republicans and Democrats, would be going down the halls of Congress, kicking ass and taking names, if there were any shenanigans. With Sheila Jackson Lee, whose district includes most of Houston, leading the charge, and I don't think Peter King could either outfight her or outrun her.
nk (dbc370) — 8/28/2017 @ 6:30 am
But wait, there's more. Texas is important to the whole U.S. economy and you'd be surprised to what extent. Not only the oil refineries. I just wrote out the check for my car insurance, and it's going to Dallas. I pay Obamacare online, but the bill comes from Texas. And lots and lots of other things.
With Sandy, I didn't even notice whether I was getting less junk mail from Garden City.
For Patricia, who likes these stories as much as I do: Locals pull together in rescue effort.
PS to DCSCA – the link says some New York first responders are on their way to Texas to help. Thank you.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/28/2017 @ 6:51 am
"..a kind of Noah's ark…"
What a great story, thanks DRJ.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 8/28/2017 @ 7:02 am
That was the best part for me, too, felipe.
His wordplay makes him like D'artagnon fending off the Kings men but the Kings men will never give credit where due, especially the semi-sentient NK.
My gosh, the sheer volume of water is incredible. All Americans will need to pull together and give whatever they can in the way of assistance. Time to show what we're made of and to shine.
Colonel Haiku (74754c) — 8/28/2017 @ 7:13 am
you'd be surprised to what extent
the flight cancellations too
I hope Houston takes this seriously this time and takes concrete steps to mitigate future flood-related problems
One possible scenario for replacing Tillerson: U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley moves to Foggy Bottom. Then Deputy Secretary National Security Adviser Dina Powell could be promoted to Haley's job in New York, where Powell's family lives.
On "Fox News Sunday," Tillerson became the second top Trump official in three days (after economic adviser Gary Cohn) to distance himself on-record from Trump's Charlottesville response:
Tillerson: "I don't believe anyone doubts the American people's values or the commitment of the American government or the government's agencies to advancing those values and defending those values."
Chris Wallace: "And the president's values?"
Tillerson: "The president speaks for himself, Chris."
Wallace: "Are you separating yourself from that, sir?"
Tillerson: "I've made my own comments as to our vales as well in a speech I gave to the State Department this past week."
Responding to Swan's article, Philippe Reines, a top State Department official under Hillary Clinton, tweeted: "Going out in a limb here but I don't think Rex gives a damn anymore what the President & White House thinks of him."
Colonel, that is a true wonderful comment.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 8/28/2017 @ 7:19 am
What I think I need to do, Mr. S. Jester, Is to act like a sheepdog. The h2ll of it all is food aid is too valuable to be given away for free. It never gets to the intended.
At 8:55 in the timeline at this link is an AP video showing military rescues, including riding along as families are taken to higher ground. They are hurting but staying strong. It's heart-breaking and inspiring.
It is amazing, Haiku. I read Houston has had 11 trillion gallons of water, with another 15 trillion expected.
Corpus Christi's airport has reopened. Maybe that will help get more people in the area and out of the area.
48 dead from Sandy prompted 14 comments of sincere sympathy.
https://patterico.com/2012/10/30/at-least-48-dead-in-hurricane/
But Texas is bigger than NJ so there's that.
Great story, DRJ. American spirit shines through!
*And it is American. At the 1984 Olympics, the first event, everyone was crowding around the volunteer like he was a rock star! In his uniform, with all his pins, his welcoming attitude. Wonderful. Two ladies from Germany stood by, dumbstruck. "This would never happen in Europe," they said.
Patricia (5fc097) — 8/28/2017 @ 7:34 am
I think Ben may have hit upon a source of DCSCA's frustration with Texas. Thank you for that.
i'd missed this
Ted Cruz, Texas' junior U.S. senator and a 2016 candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, stopped by the Harris County emergency center Friday evening and weighed in.
"Listen to your local officials," Cruz said at a news conference. "Here in the Houston area, the projections are that we'll face significant rain. We're not under an evacuation order."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-business-sought-deal-on-a-trump-tower-in-moscow-while-he-ran-for-president/2017/08/27/d6e95114-8b65-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.9316207d10a4
Corruption conniption! I am shocked!
The Cajun Navy hashtag has some great stuff on Twitter. Also, massive rain, flooding, gators, snakes, and floating fire and colonies.
Felipe: Hypocrisy, would be my guess and he'd best learn early that it is too thick to punch through on these threads.
It's a difficult problem, happyfeet. Evacuating would have been great but how do you evacuate millions over a dozen roads in 2 days, especially when those roads look like this?
Let me clarify my comment at 7:36. I do not believe DCSCA's frustrated with Texas, per se, I imagine that any other State would do as long as he perceived an "inordinate" response from this site. Am I fair in saying this, DCSCA?
Francisco Sanchez @DisasterPIO
Local officials know best. Houston has no evacuation order. In Harris County: very limited to select communities. LOCAL LEADERS KNOW BEST.
Galveston Mayor E. Gus Manuel, against the advice of Texas Governor Mark White, ordered the evacuation of only low-lying areas. As a result, only 10% of the population living behind the seawall chose to leave when Alicia came ashore. In contrast, about 30% of Galveston's population evacuated the island when Hurricane Allen threatened the eastern Texas coastline in 1980. Throughout the day, however, as the increasing winds began to cause damage in Galveston, people grew more concerned. The mayor finally ordered a widespread evacuation of the island after midnight on August 18, but by then, the bridges to the mainland were uncrossable.
If your estimation is correct, Ben, what would you advise DCSCA to do?
they didn't have to evacuate millions
they could have had a list of zip codes at hand to target
on some level it's an 80/20 problem
but they didn't even try
that would suggest a bare minimum of competence, Pikachu, on the positive side, mayor turner loves Moloch's minions, and hates uber, so he's got that going for him
Keep on keepin on, is my advice to DC.
Results may not be visible so don't expect them.
Be like Johnny Appleseed, DC.
I was assuming too much, Andrew came after at least a decade of calm, as did katrina and rita, and now Harvey, that breeds a certain complacency, the first revealed an alarmingly lax building code,
Alicia (1983) was before Andrew (1992) (and did cause some changes in building codes)
and Houston had a major lethal flooding event just last year
Interestingly, apples were rarely eaten back then. 'Spitters' were small and sour. Used to make cider before fruiting nutrients were known.
and in epic fail news, Michael mann is still cited as an authority, like Madoff on finance,
Well now there is even less to like about Uber if one can believe it – http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-28/uber-is-said-to-get-deal-maker-trump-agitator-in-expedia-s-ceo
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/28/2017 @ 8:23 am
I get that, happyfeet, and I already said that I preferred Gov Abbott's approach re telling people that evacuating North was a good idea. But no one knew where this storm was going. It hit Houston but weather is not something we know with certainty. Remember, even Abbott told people from Corpus to Houston to evacuate — that was the initial target area. Going to Houston might have been what many people would have done based on what we knew last week.
So do you tell people to go East toward New Orleans, and risk having Harvey flooding there? Or West to San Antonio/Austin, even though the forecasts at the time said those cities could experience record floods? Or do you put 8 million people on I-35 to Dallas? That would take a month, at least.
It's easy in hindsight to tell people what to do. My preference would have been to help the medically fragile and disabled get to Dallas. That might have been possible.
But I agree local leaders can't ensure safety when it comes to weather because it's too unpredictable, but too many people today don't want to hear they are on their own.
Shocked that Trump hasn't love-handled this sub-human..https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/martin-shkreli-who-raised-drug-prices-from-13-50-to-750-arrested-in-securities-fraud-probe/
They seem perfectly matched SOUL mates.
This is a sad example of the conservative doctrine that government doesn't have all the answers. People need to think for themselves.
Trump had tweeted earlier Sunday that he plans on visiting Texas "as soon as that trip can be made without causing disruption." (getting his feet wet)
Tuesday the danger should subside.
the danger is not subside on tuesday
thank god President Trump's gonna make sure those people get some help
hope he brings lots of paper towels and as far as canned food goes I'm a fan of dolmas – when i have these handy I'll cut dolma-width slices off a fresh sourdough baguette and make a lil plate of no-fuss finger sammiches
oddly satisfying and takes no time at all really
The order for jack booted thuggery just got real…
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-reverses-obama-policy-surplus-military-gear-police-n796581
Neither were potatoes. Tubers were a good crop back in the little ice age.
I know. I know. Bring up the Irish and the famine.
wow, what a disaster. Texas Strong.
458.Trump had tweeted earlier Sunday that he plans on visiting Texas "as soon as that trip can be made without causing disruption." (getting his feet wet)
Rather than descend on a disaster area with hundreds of non helpful people from Secret Service to caterers I think it wise for the president to hold off until the bulk of the rescue is at least in motion, don't you Ben? The president adds nothing by his presence at a disaster but chaos and interruption of needed services. Or is that your point? Then you can say "Trump thinks everything is all about Trump. He's being a distraction. PEOPLE DIED!".
Leftists. Can win either way with them.
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 8/28/2017 @ 9:20 am
they think we don't remember the way they hounded w, now with their thc induced hallucinations, they don't remember either,
The BBQ community is helping out, too. You can donate or volunteer.
https://operationbbqrelief.org/
That is brilliant, Patricia! Nothing cheers up a bunch of hungry Texans more than barbecue.
As Hurricane Matthew barreled into the side of Florida with 120 mile-per-hour winds, leaving over 800,000 people without power, President Obama boarded Air Force One and headed to a series of political fundraisers in Chicago.
It's official: Day 4 of Harvey, and so far only nasty and irredeemable person I've encountered during the storm has been in the comments of this blog. As usual after I engage in any exchange with him whatsoever, I had to take a long hot shower, but this is the first time it's been in the middle of hurricane. I always regret acknowledging his existence, because that's all the encouragement he needs to fester along and spew for another several months of personal disrespect and bile.
Pathetic excuses for human beings like that individual are nevertheless useful as a contrast to remind the rest of us of the need for humanity and compassion. With very rare exceptions, the people of Houston and the Texas Gulf Coast are responding magnificently to this catastrophic event. The death and injury rates are amazingly small overall. So far today, during relatively lighter rains, thousands of stranded people and people who've been flooded are being relocated. The civic mechanisms and preparedness are working reasonably well even though these are uniquely difficult challenges, but as always, the citizenry — helping themselves, helping each other — are picking up all of the considerable slack.
In terms of storm damage, this is going to end up being a much less severe hurricane than several I've seen in Houston since moving here in 1980 — much less than Alicia or Ike, for instance. Instead, most of the consequences in Houston and its immediate environs are from flash flooding. Saturday and Sunday the flash floods were from heavy rains that didn't have time to run off. Hereafter it's going to be flash floods mostly from upstream drainage, and our rivers and bayous, which were already out of their banks, are going to continue to rise and remain dangerous for several more days at a minimum. It thus more resembles past storms like Claudette (which I experienced from Galveston Island in 1979) and Allison (which set the previous rainfall records, but will be eclipsed by Harvey).
The very substantial silver lining, though, as compared to Ike or Alicia, is that we still have many facilities and many neighborhoods that still have power and that are (at the moment) safe to use. People who have to evacuate — including from some very affluent and newly constructed suburban areas that are now about to be deliberately flooded as the Corps of Engineers makes controlled releases from the Barker and Addicks Reservoirs (along the tops of which I've cycled dozens of times, it's a mix of parkland and upscale new subdivisions) — don't necessarily have to get to navigate hundreds of miles of dangerous and obstructed roads to somewhere like Austin or Dallas, but rather, many of them can find temporary housing here in the parts of Houston that aren't affected, among friends.
Last night we started getting some much more favorable forecasts in terms of the intensity of the rainfall expected today and for the rest of the week. I'm seeing those predictions in the skies today.
I'm still dry and haven't lost power, water, or internet for more than a few seconds throughout so far. My ex and two of my adult children are sheltering at her house in Meyerland. At the very moments yesterday that the miscreant from New Jersey was leaving mocking politically-slanted hatefulness telling millions of Texans to "swim for it" (#70), I was watching national newscasts showing boat rescues from the Knob Hill Apartments, which are perhaps 300 yards from my ex's house — but which put those apartments too close to Braes Bayou as it escaped its banks. But thankfully, the flooding on her street has now drained off sufficiently to see the blacktop again, after coming all the way up to (but not quite over) her front porch in the wee small hours of Saturday night-Sunday morning. My other two adult kids are also hunkered down safely at their respective apartments, well prepared and provisioned. As for our closest friends, though: while many of them are in the same good circumstances we are, almost everyone in Houston knows someone who's been flooded out or who's facing mandatory or highly-advisable evacuations from their particular neighborhoods.
But although many of us have been spared so far, this event is turning the lives of everyone upside down. The bayou on which the Allen Brothers founded Houston in 1836 and that runs through downtown — Buffalo Bayou, which continues from downtown to the Ship Channel and Galveston Bay — is preposterously out of its banks. To appear in court today, I would literally have needed scuba gear. But of course there was no court today, and won't be this week.
I am nevertheless cautiously optimistic that we've seen the worst of this one. To borrow from Churchill, this isn't the end, or the beginning of the end. But I think we've now seen the end of the beginning. To everyone except the "jerk" (to use our host's term, which is far too generous) from New Jersey, I thank you for your comments and good wishes.
Beldar (fa637a) — 8/28/2017 @ 9:57 am
Having had mine and my brother's houses destroyed and my mom's consumed in a firestorm by Sandy, I pray and feel awful for these people. Only thing to add-do not donate to the Red Cross. Local groups will do more. The Red Cross gave us nasty blankets and 2 day old fast food burgers and left.
These people will have several bad years to deal with this. It's only beginning; insurance, FEMA, elevations, builders, it seems like forever. Every time I hear "storm forming over the Atlantic" for the rest of my life I will be at full attention immediately.
Bugg (cac325) — 8/28/2017 @ 9:59 am
Have we seen such compassion from Beldar?
Kudos, dude. I just wonder: did you post about Sandy? Couldn't find a thing under current events..oversight? Maybe you showed your tender side in other comments?
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/current_affairs/
Exhibit A:
Rather than descend on a disaster area with hundreds of non helpful people from Secret Service to caterers I think it wise for the president to hold off until the bulk of the rescue is at least in motion, don't you Ben? The president adds nothing by his presence at a disaster but chaos and interruption of needed services.
Exhibit B:
I'm getting whiplash here, so which is it? Should the President immediately visit a disaster area or not?
Davethulhu (fab944) — 8/28/2017 @ 10:24 am
Keeping us ALL safe….
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/the-latest-ag-trump-ends-limits-on-military-gear-for-cops/2017/08/28/ea6bc836-8bf9-11e7-9c53-6a169beb0953_story.html?utm_term=.319125af15eb
Here are pictures, in chronological order, of all the major floods in all parts of Texas since 1913. (This does not include the 1900 hurricane, of course)
http://www.mysanantonio.com/150years/major-stories/slideshow/Major-floods-of-Texas-104824.php
As is the case really of all but the strongest hurricanes, the major damage comes from the rain and subsequent flooding, not from the winds. That was the case with Hugo and Katrina.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/28/2017 @ 10:26 am
Someone on the radio this morning said he didn't see how Trump's trip could take place, even if he landed in Galveston and took a helicopter ride.
Trump's been busy, although maybe if he spent the whole time sleeping just about the same things would happen. (just be realistic) He may be needed to sign s few documents, but you would think the various people in various positions in the federal government don't need presidential direction to act or even to meet and plan what to do next.
Vice Presdient Pence was at a meeting at FEMA, then went on the Rush limbaugh show (between 12:20 and 12:30) and tehn went off to abotehr meeting. He says they are focused only on rescue right now.
Jack-booted thugs can be repurposed as hurricane rescuers, Burnie. Activist lawyers who can't see past the end of their own ideology cannot.
You have no use here, please leave.
Dysphoria Sam (4071c5) — 8/28/2017 @ 10:37 am
How much cash can FEMA flood Texas with?
That's a good thing right?
The TRULY needy…
"Jack-booted thugs can be repurposed as hurricane rescuers, "
Them MRAPS should come in handy as repurposed ambulances..lol.
Pantyfa!!!
You go get 'em, Ben… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/pantyfa%20-2.jpg
Colonel Haiku (74754c) — 8/28/2017 @ 10:53 am
In other news:https://mobile.twitter.com/ScotsFyre/status/902205585978007552?p=v
Two first hand accounts by people who work for the New York Times, both based in Houston; one an occasional Op-ed writer, Mimi Swartz, who lives in houston +and the other by a reporter, Clifford Krauss, who has a home in Bellaire, Texas (or he still had it at the time he submitted his article
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/27/opinion/harvey-hurricane-tropical-storm-houston.html?mcubz=0
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/27/us/hurricane-harvey-houston-a-reporter-disaster.html
Clifford Krauss uses a term I never heard before: hardline telephone.
Around 12:30 p.m. the rain suddenly stopped. But our electricity and hardline telephone are out. We are not sure whether the water is safe to drink from our tap. And I hear that another wave of rain is on the way, and another, and another for the next couple of days.
Apparently, hardline telephone was the originally more popular term in the early, early days of cellphones:
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/40357/what-does-hardline-phone-mean
This is probably an example of doalects in different parts of the country.
"Jack-booted thugs"…
Lace-panty brutes… lolololololololololololol…
So you equate the personal aggrandizement of attending "political fundraisers" as the A-hole's doing the right thing and not clogging up rescue work? Only a radical leftist could think in such narrow terms. It wasn't that he didn't visit the disaster Davedthulu, It's the REASON why he didn't! He chose to stay away not for the benefit of the victims and the rescuers but rather to put cash in his pocket and that of his "compassionate" party.
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 8/28/2017 @ 11:01 am
That complaint came after thevfirst wave of looting in ferguson, coronello.
453. DRJ (15874d) — 8/28/2017 @ 8:24 am
Going to Houston might have been what many people would have done based on what we knew last week.
That's exactly what one of the people leaving, or escaping, the flooding told CBS News yesterday. She had urged her father, in Galveston, to do. He didn't listen to her.
CBS kept asking people how long they had lived there. Most of the people at that location had lived there a very short time. Even old people. One person, whio looked no older than 35 maximum, and propbably was in his 20s, said he had lived there all his life so the reporter asked him about 1979 and he had to confess he wasn't around then and the reporter said that was making him feel old.
The population of Houston has grown. It was 983,xxx in 1960, 1,233,xxx in 1970. 1,595,xxx in 1980 and is now said to be over 4 million, with 7 million in the general metropolitan area. I don't know if the boundaries of the city have expanded.
Houston is very spread out and is famous for not having zoning. It frequently floods, can't stand a one or two inch rain, and the water all heads for and collects downtown, which is the worst place for floods. The way it regularly floods, it sounds like it's like parts of New Jersey (with the exception of the downtown factor)
Part of the reason for the flooding is that the sewers are all filled up in places. They've also removed a lot of dirt and replaced it with asphalt.
Previous floods in Houston that have been mentioned were in December, 1935, 1961 (Hurricane Carla) some unspecified flood in 1979, 1983 (Alicia) 2001 (Allison) Katrina and Rita both in 2005, and Ike in 2008.
It has waterways, called bayous, running through it.
My preference would have been to help the medically fragile and disabled get to Dallas. That might have been possible.
It all depends on their individual situation, and where they are and they probably should onlly go a short distance. Maybe they should also go if they want to be sure to save their car.
309. DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/27/2017 @ 8:16 pm
King's POV is very easy to understand; he represents Staten Island and it was slammed bad in Sandy.
Part of Long Island, outside of New York City, not Staten Island. His district was probably not too badly affecetd. Maybe some beaches. Well, people did lose electricity and in many casxes relied in generators.
http://seafordny.blogspot.com/2012/11/sandy-and-seaford-creeks.html
Hurricane Sandy pummeled the south shore of Long Island with wind, tide, and rain. Damage extended across the island and hurt many people in their lives, with deaths and damaged homes. In this post, I choose to look at a more limited topic, how the three north-south creeks in Seaford rose with the run-off, tide, and wind. I wish I had more facts to present, but I did not go out exploring during the storm. This narrative will probably contain errors. I appreciate corrections and further explanations…
DRJ, that's a very academic and ideological argument you have but doesn't hold much water standing in waist high muck pelted by stinging rain, whipped by hurricane winds watching your home float away, possessions ruined and your livelihood displaced. This is not a day or a week problem. It's going be months of clean-up there.
When the aid bill/package comes up in the autumn as it's getting cold and crummy and Texas stinks like Bayonne, the roads remain a buckled mess, homes with rotting wiring and moldy insulation and power is still spotty in places– and there's pork on the bone of the bill, your Congressional critters will vote for it and likely so will the Northeasterners- but not w/o reminding them all of their Sandy vote. And rightly so
Ok I understand. It's bad when Obama does it. I guess Obama should have cancelled the previously scheduled fundraisers, but then not visit the Hurricane site.
Here's the text of Obama's remarks prior to Matthew making landfall:
"THE PRESIDENT: Obviously, everybody has been tracking the course of Hurricane Matthew, and I just received an update from our FEMA Director, Craig Fugate, as well as the rest of our national security team. And I just wanted to make a couple of key points.
First, what we're seeing now is Matthew having moved above South Florida and some of the largest population centers, working its way north. And the big concern that people are having right now is the effects that it could have in areas like Jacksonville on through Georgia. And although we've seen some significant damage in portions of South Florida, I think the bigger concern at this point is not just hurricane-force winds, but storm surge.
Many of you will remember Hurricane Sandy, where initially people thought, this doesn't look as bad as we thought, and then suddenly you get massive storm surge and a lot of people were severely affected. And so I just want to emphasize to everybody that this is still a really dangerous hurricane; that the potential for storm surge, flooding, loss of life and severe property damage continues to exist. And people continue to need to follow the instructions of their local officials over the course of the next 24, 48, 72 hours.
Those of you who live in Georgia I think should be paying attention because there's been a lot of emphasis on Florida, but this thing is going to keep on moving north, through Florida, into South Carolina. There are large population centers there that could be vulnerable, so pay attention to what your local officials are telling you. If they tell you to evacuate, you need to get out of there and move to higher ground because storm surge can move very quickly and people can think that they're out of the woods and then suddenly get hit and not be in a position in which they and their families are safe. So pay attention to local officials.
In the meantime, I've been in contact with the governors of all four of the potentially affected states. I want to thank them all for their leadership. There's been strong cooperation between federal and state and local officials. FEMA has worked diligently to pre-position resources, assets, water, food, commodities. And as the hurricane moves north, what Craig and his team will be doing is moving those resources and assets further north so that any place that happens to get hit badly, we'll be in a position to immediately come in and help.
But I really want to emphasize the governors have been on top of this. State and local officials have been on top of this. They are the ones who are tracking most closely what is happening in your particular community, your particular area. You need to pay attention to them. Do what they say. Do not be a hold-out here because we can always replace property, but we can't replace lives.
I want to thank Craig and his whole team, as well as Department of Homeland Security, and my own national security team for really staying on top of this. We're going to monitor this throughout the weekend. Our thoughts and prayers are with folks who have been affected. Even if the damage in South Florida wasn't as bad as it could be, there are people who've been affected, and for them, they're going to need help."
Here's the text of Trump's remarks prior to Harvey making landfall:
RNC should be Enabler Party.
Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., said he will work with other committee members "to do everything we can to prevent two separate reports" on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.
I think hurricanes affect the weather at far greater distances than what is usually atttreibuted to them. I've noticed this after big hurricanes in the eastern United States in places like Florida. If it happens zfterwards they like to say "remnants."
Here, in New York,Friday was somewhat cloudy and also Saturday night and theer were more clouds than usual on Sunday, and I think these clouds, even without rain, and no winds, may be related. I think storm system like that affect things going on 1,000 or even 2,000 miles away. It's all part of the same system.
Now in Houston, the storm is probably not going to move out to sea and back. I don't know how they predict things that way. Their models are too identical, and precise.
They were saying it would rain there till Wedsnesday and later on, Friday, although they seem to be taking that back. The rain stopped in Houston for about 3 hours during the middle of the day on Sunday.
It's bad luck to say 'good lucky
"Break a leg!"
486. Thuis is what Trump tweeted:
Donald J. Trump
As #HurricaneHarvey intensifies – remember to #PlanAhead.
http://www.hurricanes.gov
http://www.ready.gov
http://www.fema.gov
12:31 PM – 24 Aug 2017
also, later:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · Aug 25
We remain fully engaged w/ open lines of communication as #HurricaneHarvey makes landfall. America is w/ you! @GovAbbott @FEMA @DHSgov
It was a fully-leashed teleprompter dog-collar comment designed for 'healing'.
FEMA still ok..until a blue state is hit.
431.Corpus Christi's airport has reopened. Maybe that will help get more people in the area and out of the area.
More like out of the way: President Trump is comin' to town.
373. DRJ (d35869) — 8/27/2017 @ 10:42 pm
373.Harris County emergency services announced it can't get boats into the area because of flooded roads, so that's why they asked for people in the area who have boats to come forward. It appears they have had a good response
There seem to be a lot of people with boats. What do they normally use the boats for? The streets probably don't flood more than once a year so it can't be for navigating in a flood.
I suppose they drive it to some waterway with their car, and maybe go fishing.
One person interviewed on CBS yesterday said after they went to a neighbor her husband went back to get his boat, and also that right then she was staying there where she was because her husband was rescuing people on his boat.
BTW, the reason they told people not to go into the attic is because in many cases there is no way out from the attic to the roof. But if there is, there's no reason not to try the attic.
They werent as Affected as Victoria or definitely rockport.
narciso (12cdc0) — 8/28/2017 @ 11:58 am
DCSCA @101.
Isn't this all freshwater damage? Sandy was salt water. This isn't.
I heard on radio or TV it was raining in Dallas, 250 miles away. (but not that it was floodingZ)
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/28/2017 @ 12:01 pm
Ann Coulter's tweet is a thing of beauty and one of the few political issues you SHOULD feel good about pushing in a crisis:
Ann CoulterVerified account @AnnCoulter 9m9 minutes ago
TX dam calculus: Too much H20 released- Houston destroyed; Too little- Dam overflows. I PRAY ARMY CORP OF Es HAS RT % OF POCs & TRANSGENDERS
@446 =yawn= Rest easy, Ben. Venom from wet and wind-whipped Texans is water off a Northeasterners back. See the good: Beldar finally showered.
@468. Pathetic excuses for human beings like that individual are nevertheless useful as a contrast to remind the rest of us of the need for humanity and compassion.
Us? You speak for yourself, Beldar; here's 23 'compassionate'Texans:
Add your compassionate senators to it as well. And when you take in, feed and lend your hot shower to neighboring storm victims, get back to 'us.'
DCSCA is utterly immune to the #RedneckDunkirk navy already helping their neighbors, and sounds like the type of guy who would tweet this picture unironically:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIUHjRmW0AAQkov.jpg
OMG WHY DIDN'T BLUMPH USE HIS EXECUTIVE POWER TO BAD-MOUTH MY ENEMIES, BAN HURRICANES AND TEACH JERSEY BROS HOW TO EVACUATE?!
Can't expect much from these inbred urban hick provincials whose education is rubber-stamped by the lowest bidder.
Oh, by the way, the 'racists' (who DSA and Burnie would have undoubtedly maligned, fired, libeled, and IRL beaten up at the first opportunity for this article) had this nasty Houston situation and the larger forces involved predicted more than a year in advance:
Houston is waterlogged and ruined because Houston is The City That Globalism Built, Ruined By Something That Any Local Could Have Warned Them About.
The Trump people composing the #RedNeckDunkirk brigade are approximately 99 times more likely to not only help their neighbors (THAT'S WHAT YOU SUPPOSED TO DO,) but help Houston's various flavors of imported mystery meat at the risk of their own lives. Just because they think it's the right thing to do!
Calm down dysphoria. You won the electoral vote by inches.
@496- No, Sammy. Not along the coastlines. And w/t flood channels and such even a salty brine is going to be so corrosive to infrastruction — a lot of it won't show up for months. Water damage is by far the worst.
Consider every one of those businesses and homes standing in 50 inches of water is going to require inspection from roof to basement; most requiring removal and replacement of insulation, electrical wiring and wall repair; new flooring and new carpeting; new appliances; not to mention roof and siding repair. All those vehicles are pretty much totals. Hygiene issues are going to set in soon; a clean clothes and dry shoes a blessing. A Houston Chronicle reporter noted Houston alone is 600 square miles– and Monday was supposed to be their first day of school. people still have to earn a living; and once Harvey dissipates, regular weather patterns return– it's still gonna rain again. The great gift has been they've managed to keep the power on for so many so far. Add that to the damage along the wider coastal towns and cities. It's as bad as battle damage.
And in about a week, supplies and tempers will grow short– especially for those displaced and 'living' in Houston and Dallas convention centers.
FEMA is going to be occupying Texas for years. A lot of folks are going to be living in FEMA trailers or tents as winter comes in and likely still be mending infrastructure by the next winter as well. Still, there's several of the world's wealthiest corporations headquartered in Houston to look to for neighborly help. The greater United States will be kind to Texas as well and give it a helping hand; it's in the national interest. There was a 'yuge' TV telethon to raise cash for recovery after Sandy, too; let's see how fast the C&W crowd get one together for East Texas once the waters recede.
@500- Meh. The Cajun Navy was highly regarded and quite effective in Katrina.
DSA you're showing your provincial lack of experience, this is HOUSTON, TEXAS, and anything broken's going to be demolished as they build another new McMansion community right down the road in slightly less soggy territory.
That's the Houston way, it's been the Houston way for years, and it will continue to be the Houston way until the ground runs out of oil. Don't 'fix', just break it down and build something new. It was born in pre-fab and will die in pre-fab.
Bloomingbirds
A leadership vacuum in the world's biggest economy has driven the largest private-sector pension fund in Finland to cut the weight of U.S. stocks in its 45 billion-euro ($53 billion) portfolio.
"It seems as if there is no president in the U.S.," Risto Murto, chief executive officer of Varma Mutual Pension Insurance Co., said in an interview in Helsinki on Wednesday. "If I look at what is the moral and practical power, there is no longer a traditional president."
Lolling hard at Burnie desperately touting the opinions of FINLAND, THE ECONOMIC WORLD POWER!
Quick reminder that it's not all lefties like DSA and Burnie to blame directly for this, you can always blame big business globalist anti-racist signaling "Republican" "conservatives" like David Brooks:
"For the life of me, I can't figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston. Houston has very light zoning regulations, and as a result it has affordable housing and a culture that welcomes immigrants. This has made it incredibly diverse, with 145 languages spoken in the city's homes, and incredibly dynamic — the fastest-growing big city in America recently. (Personally, I wish it would do a bit more zoning — it's pretty ugly.)"
DSA assuming that EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE INSPECTED ACCORDING TO A STANDARDIZED PROCESS is a quaint attitude of a bygone age…and race!
@505. Then FEMA trailers for a year with chemical toilets will have you feeling right at home; pre-fab is so… chic.
Victoria's gotten extremely luck rainfall-wise
which is good good good cause they're located such that they can provision a lot of the more-affected areas
Heh! How ironic, Ben. And here you lost your ex-wives by inches.
Colonel Haiku (74754c) — 8/28/2017 @ 12:53 pm
> Social media — Facebook in particular — is also serving a genuine public service in this natural disaster, as a means for people to keep track of large crowds of friends and loved ones without swamping the telephone lines.
It always does. I remember using it extensively during Sandy to remind people that where I lived in NYC was fine.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 8/28/2017 @ 12:53 pm
It's hilarious that any nation could think we have a Presidunce, rather than a stable, mature and intelligent President.
DYSsie and Hoagie already signed for Idiocracy II. They play themselves as the 2nd and 3rd smartest men in the World.
@418. nk, recall Peter King's already been 'in the ring' – literally sparring for a few rounds at a fundraiser a few years back– but Sheila would be tilting at windmills anyway; King's already announced support for Harvey aid along w/several other Northeastern congressional critters representing Sandy-damaged districts. But he's not going to let the Texan senators and reps who voted against Sandy aid (see #499) forget it. And rightly so.
"New Joisian To Texan" Translation Guide
New Joisy…………………………..Texan
Weapons………………………….Gun Collection
Delicate Wetlands……………..Swamp
Undocumented Worker………Illegal Alien
Cruelty-Free Materials……….Synthetic Fiber
Heavily Armed…………………..Well-protected
Narrow-minded………………….Righteous
Taxes or Your Fair Share…….Coerced Theft
Commonsense Gun Control…Gun Confiscation Plot
Illegal Hazardous Explosives..Fireworks for Stump Removal
Nonviable Tissue Mass………..Unborn Baby
Equal Access Opportunity…….Socialism
Fairness or Social Progress…..Marxism
Upper Class or "The Rich"……Self-Employed
Progressive, Change…………..Big Government Scheme
Homeless or Disadvantaged…Bums or Welfare Leeches
Sniper Rifle………………………..Scoped Deer Rifle
Investment For the Future…….Higher Taxes
Healthcare Reform………………Socialized Medicine
Extremist or Hater……………….Conservative
Truants………………………………Homeschoolers
High Capacity Magazine………Standard Capacity Magazine
Religious Zealot………………….Church-going
Reintroduced Wolves…………..Sheep and Deer Killers
Fair Trade Coffee………………..Overpriced Yuppie Coffee
Exploiters or "The Rich"……….Employed or Land Owner
The Gun Lobby…………………..NRA Members
Assault Weapon…………………Semi-Auto (Grandpa's M1)
Fiscal Stimulus………………….New Taxes/Higher Taxes
Mandated Eco-Friendly
Lighting……………………………Chinese Mercury-laden lights
Colonel Haiku (74754c) — 8/28/2017 @ 1:08 pm
Maybe a few years ago. Now it means "to the right of Bernie Sanders"
And "nazi" and "KKK" also apply to same.
harkin (34bcc6) — 8/28/2017 @ 1:16 pm
@506. Ben- you think the Trump camp may try to lard in some financing for the Trump Wall into a Harvey aid package in the guise of Texan infrastructure for that part of it rather than peg it to the debt ceiling or a CR down the road? Gotta believe someone in the WH is considering this ploy.
That's just cynical DC.
He's showing how much he loves 'the beautiful, beautiful babies'.
Heh. Ivanka's mom only lost two inches.
@517- It's clever politics, too.
He just said at a WH presser Texas is a 'great state w/great, great people…' which sounds uncomfortably similar to the praise he heaps and tweets on staff before they're tossed overboard.
You hear that Trump is a warm guy, really derp down. You hear that from compassionate conservatives and Evanjellycal tithers.
He's McBeth…gotta backstab.
@521. He's a slasher; rationalizing pardoning 'Sheriff Joe.'
One's a racist.
The other's a bigot.
"Just like Archie Bunker." – Laureen Hobbs [Marlene Warfield] 'Network, '1976'
That is a thing of beauty, Colonel.
Racist, bigot
Tomato, tomahto.
Uh, oh. This one's gonna hurt.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-signed-away-obamas-flood-risk-rules-weeks-hurricane-harvey-hit-655712
DCSCA, I would not be surprised to see Republicans oppose any "larded-up" aid package for Texas. Would this surprise you?
@525. LOL– and he just said Mexico will one way or another 'reimburse' the U.S. for his wall.
@525- Depends on what's on the menu– and the cut of meat. If it's appetizing to enough in the 'right' places, they'll vote for it and avoid being accused of holding East Texas hostage. Pork greases the wheels of legislation. Always has, always will.
Yes no doubt, Felipe, specially with veruca salt; molochs minion heroine. The interesting thing is Obama threw new jersey under the bus, as he would do to Boston the following spring, re the tsarnaevs and disco duck cannot point that out.
narciso (6e447f) — 8/28/2017 @ 2:19 pm
That would be lisa murkowski aka gorgon strikem
Narciso speak with fooked tongue.
Breaking- NK lofts another bird; IRBM.
Careful, Harvey, you may be moving slow but fast be moved to below-the-fold as the world moves on.
SOMEBODY seems to think I'm remiss for not commenting on Tropical Storm Sandy. OK. I'll comment on it now.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/sandy_gas_ration_12_counties.html
The price of motel rooms and gasoline went up multifold. I am not good without clean water, gasoline, and a place to stay. I'm more hurt than help.
Beldar, always good to hear you are OK.
@534. And clean, too.
There are no good options left in North Korea.
If i remember correctly after a hurricane in Texas the feds refused to give them aid money because they had a couple billion in surplus.
Unlike the gimme gimme gimme state of new jersey.
upper class or the rich – self employed
I hope the Navy recalls me. Why should the young bear the brunt of it?
I think the cellar dweller is angry because Texans naturally show compassion and a positive disposition in which to overcome any obstacle.
I can tell you from experience. Self-employed doesn't equal rich. I paid my employees before I'd pay myself.
i am the only employee
cheers, Steve57
Do not donate to the Red Cross- https://medium.com/@helenamania/want-to-help-harvey-affected-dont-donate-to-the-red-cross-6f243f047d7c
Bugg (cac325) — 8/28/2017 @ 3:11 pm
Still here. Still raining. Raining a bit lighter but still getting about an inch an hour. We've had 26 inches at my house in the last 30 hours. Houses in the neighborhood flooding. We have Spring Creek running behind our neighborhood, it and Cypress Creek are pretty much out of control. We are out of power, have been for about 20 hours now. The wind kicked up last night and took down some trees, one got the power line a few houses away from us. Have a generator running with the fridge, freezer and a hot spot for the internet plugged in. Cooking on a grill. Worst part is that we are on a well and so without power we don't have water. I have drinking water (prepared for it) and we swipe water out of the pool (it's overflowing anyway) to flush the toilet but you know, baby wipes just don't cut it for a shower…. We're good. But we live on a hill near the highest part of the county and have about the only sandy soil in the county. If we are flooding here you can only imagine how it is in the rest of flat Houston with clay soil.
@444 they didn't have to evacuate millions
Not that easy. Houston normally floods in localized areas. Montrose will flood, or The Woodlands, or Pasadena…. but not this time. It is flooding EVERYWHERE in Houston. It is flooding north, south, central, east. The safest spot has been west of Houston but even some of those areas are in trouble.
@469 I am nevertheless cautiously optimistic that we've seen the worst of this one.
We can hope. I'll join you in that hope. I do pray that the rain we have seen does not just move to Louisiana and be as devastating there as it is here. This storm needs to speed up and move on out of the gulf taking gentle sprinkles north!
@ 480 Clifford Krauss uses a term I never heard before: hardline telephone.
Really? You must be a young'un. I still have a "hard-line"
@514 "New Joisian To Texan" Translation Guide
Two thumbs up.
Marci (d4e28a) — 8/28/2017 @ 3:23 pm
I've heard landline rather than hard-line, but I understand that they mean the same thing: a phone plugged into the wall rather than a mobile phone.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 8/28/2017 @ 3:29 pm
Prolly a neo-neologism from another neologism — hard-wired.
Hi marci. Good reports. Thank you for posting them.
Without reading the caption, look at this photo from Houston and guess where it is.
This was unavoidable. There is no way to get this much water over such a large area and avoid massive flooding.
@548. What– no seaplanes?
No wonder Trump is flying into Corpus Christi.
I don't know if this relevant. Or maybe it is. Because hurricanes often spawn tornadoes. On the enhanced Fujita scale we are seeing more tornadoes.
Finally seeing rain in north Texas.
Incredible, DRJ.
A real positive update: Rain has slacked of to where it is what I would term a "gentle drizzle"… and the news reports that this trend will continue so that our area will only get about 3 inches of rain tomorrow! Man is that great news! Let's hope that the weathermen are right on this one!
holy cow, DRJ.
Good news marci.
Yikes, drj.
hoping the weatherman is correct, marci.
Belated R.I.P. Tobe Hooper
Icy (d8e186) — 8/28/2017 @ 4:32 pm
Wonder if the Trump Organization has plans to offer use of its private aircraft and chopper fleet yet to ferry supplies and personnel around Texas.
That's not Air Force. That's Navy.
F and A 18 intercepting a Tomahawk.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryGfys/comments/2vbb55/tomahawk_launch_as_seen_from_a_fa18_chase_plane/
What would bwuce do?
Is it true the mayor of Houston will not return the calls of the Govna of the great state of Texas?
the king ranch offices are right by the bayou over by the omni
for some reason a lot of people seem to be making their chicken
i guess cause of it's comforting and they got texas on their minds
You know if a stoeybseems to good to be true:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylor?CMP=share_btn_tw
National Soros Radio's already pimping out Houston and its misery for to advance their climate change hoax
maybe the monies to rebuild can come out of their billion-dollar budget
This year saw high sea surface temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico, where Harvey formed. According to an analysis published in March, the Gulf stayed above 73 degrees Fahrenheit the entire winter.
ok NPR fake news propaganda slut Geoff Brumfeil
what was the surface temperature for the past 12 years when no major hurricane made landfall in the US?
yea that's what i thought you sleazy p.o.s. NPR hoax pimp
Is that the same Guardian that stood looking on as MI5 sledge-hammered Snowdens hard drive?
no this one's different
The Circus is coming to town and Foghorn Leghorn will be in center ring.
Trump, who is suffering through a long stretch of low approval ratings, has been particularly eager to seize the moment. He will visit Texas Tuesday — and may return to the region again on Saturday. The White House announced the first visit even before Harvey made landfall. On Monday, Trump promised Texans will "have what you need" and that federal funding would come "fast."
@556. Ben, a fella from a-way-uppa-north- Pittsburgh, knew how to handle rain pretty well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ
http://foghornleghornquotes.com/foghorn-leghorn-sayings/
My mistake. Foghorn has a vastly superior vocabulary. Mebbe circus blowhard PT Barnum…
filthy disgusting pervert Mitt Romney was able to do three solid tweets in a row
three solid tweets in a row in an effort to build up the republican white supremacy movement into a potent nevertrump political force
but not one tweet for texas?
good god keep this filthy perv away from your children
he's not safe
you'd think he'd at least donate some socks but no
not Mitt Romney
Just tell ASPCA to go away. He doesn't speak for us Yankees or people in NJ. He's just a nasty, bitter leftist.
NJRob (31a48c) — 8/28/2017 @ 5:57 pm
@573. Us??
Neither do you.
NJrob, I am Yakui as you can get.
please don't fight you guys this whole flood thing is exhausting
i tried to help my sister book a flight home today and failed
this is not even america it's some grotesquely soggy facsimile where airplanes don't work right
wtf is a yakui
Its a gomenasai situation, Steve.
yes yes we need to send in the giant robots
?DCSCA speak clealry.
Joel Osteen Slammed for Not Opening Megachurch to Victims…
he's so nasty
Careful with the rhubarb pikachu:
https://mobile.twitter.com/publicroad/status/902302958259507200?p=v
I chose the spelling of the team God has graced with His blessing.
i'm always careful with all the rhubarbs
https://twitter.com/about_scout/status/902306802829844488
There's also the matter that the church is flooded but carry on.
IT ARE NOT FLOODED
@570. Ben, just review the 2016 general election map:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas,_2016
Their Savior will descend from the heavens on Boeing's aluminum wings.
Your Marine Corps
Combat vets say tattoo policy is big barrier to re-enlistment
JESUS EFFING CHRIST
joel osteen pls to pray for these losers thx
i'll do my part too
dear jesus please make these losers not be so stupid and tatted up amen
We will beg to differ:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LLPnTX/status/902328992182743040?p=v
that's the baptismal trough
@570. Postscript.
Peruse the counties, too– take note how many are named for traitorous CSA officials and officers who waged war against the United States; Reagan County; Jeff Davis County, Stonewall, Sutton, McCulloch… etc., the list is truly despicable. But the United States is a good-hearted land and will look the other way and lend a helping hand in this 'reconstruction'– too.
— You might (well, it's you, so you might not) want to in•ves•ti•gate the reports you receive, so as to determine their authenticitimation, cuz the skeezy media types is all "We gonna (in the spirit of unity) take this opportunity to attack things and people what we think is pretty ickypoo."
Its ironic, since the German media made suchba big deal re a story about a church that was almost torn down by protesters in aachen, yet they are willing to do the same, that morissette type irony.
I have no idea what this post is about,but i saw hfeets here and I just wanted to say morrissey wears floodpants
pdbuttons (052377) — 8/28/2017 @ 7:18 pm
how are you hope all is well where you are
still in chicago here
morrissey nowhere to be seen must be in texas
houston's getting soggy i know i know
it's serious
OT.536. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/28/2017 @ 2:52 pm
More accurately, there are no options that aren't gambles.
Sammy Finkelman (0e02ef) — 8/28/2017 @ 7:28 pm
That photo looks like less than a retirement home and more like a holding tank full of irony.
Whoever runs that mess needs an evacuation plan that isn't simply "shelter in place". Maybe find an Indian Bingo that sits at elevation and give the 15 residents $50 bucks each plus a buffet ticket
Pinning all this on Team R will be difficult, but not due to lack of useful idiots.
steveg (e8c34d) — 8/28/2017 @ 7:32 pm
We have a storm that rivals this one in some respects:
https://www.weather.gov/crp/hurricanecarla
Yet this mock is whining over some rough squalls five yeArs ago.
You might (well, it's you, so you might not) want to in•ves•ti•gate the reports you receive
oh c'mon the worst what can happen is joel and his flock is goaded to help even more!
go get em tiger
who's that young girl dressed in blue
must be the children that's coming through
god's gonna trouble the water!
Houuston knows I'm miserable now
Johnny Cash weighs in from the grave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI7M2ELPtro
i hope that's not the case Mr. buttons
you have my email
i haven't checked that one in many moons but i will for sure this week
545. I never heard hardline till I read it in the paper today, but the meaning is obvious.
The wife of that NYT reporter cooked all their meat on the grounds that it would spoil anyway so they might as well eat it and they are going to be hungry. He said it was only a matter of time until the piano on the first floor he was going to be ruined. He salvaged (carried upstairs)a Persian rug, classical nd jazz CDs (would water damage them? Maybe carry them away, I don't know) a beautiful antique lamp he inherited from his father, and his 12-year old daughter took a few bottles of wine, vermouth and gin, knowing he will probably want to drink something other than water or juice. He doesn't say how he hoped his hangings and art will be safe.
54. 65. 239. 596. Isn't it obvious why that nursing home didn't try to get their people into Red Cross shelter or Indian bingo hall.
That would have meant giving up the money they were being paid to take care of them!
kinda like public school
Hospitals sometimes aren't much better (after they got spoiled by getting paid
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/books/review/rachel-pearson-no-apparent-distress.html?mcubz=0
Not sure how climate change managed to pin a low pressure system between two high pressure systems.
That looks suspiciously like what my west texas' friends wife calls "the weather"
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/348348-anheuser-busch-sends-water-cans-to-harvey-victims
Galveston in the hurricane of 1900.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1mR3Kxom6EQ/WaFuQD3jV7I/AAAAAAABMXU/x7M3D1ywFWIG_WEonzvGicKb134GZ96WACLcBGAs/s1600/1%2B1%2B1%2Bycw1s7e5k5o1_540.jpg
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 8/28/2017 @ 8:03 pm
Hospital charity programs sometimes act like a government agency – like as if they were Medicaid:
Pearson describes a homeless man whom the students diagnosed with throat cancer. (Texas chose not to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act so is now home to 25 percent of the adult Americans who fall into the coverage gap between private insurance and Medicaid.) It took eight cruel months until a hospital accepted the patient into its indigent program for treatment. To satisfy a requirement that the man live nearby, a relative was found who bought him a tiny trailer home. Just after the first scans were done, though, the hospital got wind of the trailer. This "asset" disqualified him as indigent and he was promptly kicked out of the program. The cancer was never removed or treated.
The relative should have rented it to him, or more simply, consulted a lawyer.
Years ago I did some construction work at a home like that one.
I still keep duct tape, a garden hose, keys to the truck, and written instructions, will, etc in the glove box.
Hell no I won't go like that, drooling into water that is up over my man boobs
I have a comment in moderation for no reason I can discern. 🙁
Beldar (fa637a) — 8/28/2017 @ 10:14 pm
And how does the great City of New York honor Harvey victims– and repay the GOPee 'Texas 23' for voting NO on Sandy aid?
Empire State Building Goes Dark for Hurricane Harvey Victims | WKRG
wkrg.com/2017/08/28/empire-state-building-goes-dark-for-hurricane-harvey-victims/
You're welcome, DRJ.
Hit the showers, Beldar.
"Salutee!" – Lurcio [Frankie Howerd] 'Up Pompeii!' BBC TV, 1969-1970
http://wkrg.com/2017/08/28/empire-state-building-goes-dark-for-hurricane-harvey-victims/
@606. It's just an unusual event– weak steering currents aloft in the JS and a stalled high to the west. Normally, Harvey would have been inland and done in about 72 hours. It's one for the books for sure. One of the most useful courses in college was meteorology; three year waiting list. Worth the wait if only to learn that you can predict your own weather fairly accurately observing the 'dome of air' over your locale from horizon to horizon for about 72 hours out once you identify cloud and wind patterns. It's fun.
@544 Marci
I know it's too late right now but they make breaker boxes for generators. You install it next to your house box. They usually have at least four or more circuits you can hook up to run particular appliances.
I don't know if your well pump is submerged or surface. If it's 120v at ground level it would be easy to cut a plug and 5′ off a 12 gauge extension cord and wire it up. You could pressure up your tank.
But if you had that set up you probably would have already. If it's a surface pump hooked up to 220v it could have a 110v/220v selector. On mine it's under a cover on top secured by six screws. Select 120v and wire up the extension cord.
At any rate, glad you are well.
Pinandpuller (704cbc) — 8/28/2017 @ 11:26 pm
I used to be able to work the mighty, mighty AWG-9. Sorry. I don't do jargon. The Navy found it had no use for the Tomcat or for me back in the first century of this decade.
They lost that loving feeling.
I was intel. I got to work the radar because I was assigned to a TARPS squadron. I was never in a paid flight status. If you want to talk link analysis I'm your boy. If you want to talk electronics then I'm out of my league.
**back in the first century of this decade.
Back in the first decade of this century.
Man, am I screwing everything up.
I used to work for the government. Chew on that. And, I used to work for the part that works.
There are no good options left in North Korea
We are all gamblers now.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-missile-launch-over-japan-live-updating/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50YsAg0HB54
This is dangerous. The video I show you tells of a NORK missile breaking up. You can see the warhead breaking into parts.
These nutcases could plan on missing Guam and hit it by mistake.
This is perhaps a better video. It shows the warhead breaking up more clearly.
The good news is that the NORKs don't have a warhead that can survive reentry.
It's not good news the NORKs keep firing off missiles. Even if they do keep breaking up.
Sorry to hijack the thread. This is important, though.
For you cellar dweller
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/nyregion/house-to-take-up-sandy-relief-bill-amid-battle-over-spending.html
If I may make a joke. I hear from America's most reliable news source, the Duffel blog, that the Texas National Guard has suspended all disaster relief operations
https://www.duffelblog.com/2017/08/texas-national-guard-halts-hurricane-recovery-efforts-catch-diversity-training/
There are many, many people and businesses helping Houston. JJ Watts started a crowdfunding effort — initially with a goal to raise $200k — and it has received so many donations that the revised goal is $1.5M. Right now the total raised is $1.3M.
A dangerous slope.
North Korea is a big concern.
Anyone around who can check for Beldar's comment in the filter (per 611)?
DRJ:
NEW TEXAS INSURANCE LAWS EFFECTIVE 9/1/2017
http://www.insuranceclaimrecoverysupport.com/public-adjuster-press-releases/new-texas-insurance-laws-effective-912017/
A new insurance bill recently passed which is a major loss for Texas property owners. House Bill 1774 further enables bad faith insurance companies to abuse policyholders deploy unfair claim handling practices that force consumers to sue insurers for underpaying, delaying or wrongfully denying "force of nature" related insurance claims. The bill is an Insurer-friendly attempt to make it harder for Policyholders to bring and litigate force of nature related property claims.
The media and insurance company lobbyists tout the bill will put an end to frivolous lawsuits surrounding weather disasters such as hailstorms and lower premiums by de-incentivizing trial lawyers gaming the system to get massive attorney's fees. However, the new law reaches far beyond hail related occurrences, it encompasses other nature-related events including property damage covered for earthquake, wildfire, flood, tornadoes, lightning, hurricane, wind, snowstorm, or rainstorm.
HB 1774 offers little to no real mechanisms to curb lawsuits or hold insurer's accountable for bad faith insurance claim handling acts which forces many policyholders to file lawsuits even after making reasonable efforts to settle a claim with the assistance of a licensed public insurance adjuster. The legislation limits the ability of property owners to hold insurers accountable for underpaid claims or poorly handled claims investigations.
The bill actually cuts penalties for insurers sued for underpaying, delaying or wrongfully denying storm claims, including wind and hail damage, while making it harder for those suing to collect attorneys' fees.
HB 1774 will force a majority of claim cases into federal court, which typically takes twice as long to receive justice, adds cost and uncertainty for property owners who attempt to legally challenge insurers' decisions. To win in federal court, the plaintiff needs a 100% unanimous jury decision vs. district court 10 out of 12.
Many insurance companies pay property owners as little and as late as possible and drag the process out as long as they can. Texans can expect more delays and denials from insurers and less accountability. The harmful effect of this new law for homeowners, businesses, churches, and schools will be state-wide.
It is also noteworthy that HB 1774 passed in the absence of a Commissioner at the Texas Department of Insurance who regulates the insurance industry and protects consumers. Previous Commissioner of Insurance David Mattax sadly passed away in April of 2017 and to date, Texas Governor Greg Abbott has not appointed a new Commissioner to the Texas Department of Insurance.
Changes to the Texas Insurance Code
The "Hailstorm Bill", effective September 1, 2017, adds several new provisions to the Texas Insurance Code affecting first-party property insurance claims. Notably, the bill would create a new Chapter 542A for weather-related claims, which changes the requirements for pre-suit notice and inspections, allow for the assumption of agent liability, and limit the amount of recoverable attorneys' fees. Other changes are as follows:
• Inspections – Section 542A.004 provides that the person who receives pre-suit notice may provide a written request to inspect the insured property within 30 days after receiving the notice. It further provides that the inspection is to actually occur within 60 days of the date the person receives the pre-suit notice if reasonably possible.
• Assumption of Liability – Section 542A.006 allows insurers to elect to assume whatever liability an agent might have to the claimant for the agent's acts or omissions related to the claim by providing written notice to the claimant. An agent includes any employee, agent, representative, or adjuster acting on behalf of the insurer. Once the insurer assumes the agent's liability, the claims against the agent must be dismissed with prejudice. By allowing assumption of an adjuster's or insurance agent's liability, the bill aims to make it easier for insurers to remove cases to federal court.
• Limitation of Attorneys' Fees – If the policyholder's attorney fails to comply with the new pre-suit notice requirements, the policyholder may be prohibited from recovering attorneys' fees. Additionally, if a claim is tried, the amount of recoverable attorneys' fees will be adjusted. For a claimant to recover all attorneys' fees, the award must equal at least 80% of the pre-suit damages demand, while a pre-suit demand equaling 20-79% of the damages award allows only for a scaled percentage recovery of attorneys' fees. Should the award be 20% or less of a claimant's original demand, the claimant recovers no attorneys' fees. So now there is an incentive for Insurers to pay 20% less on every claim.
• Reduced Statutory Penalty Interest – The new law lowers the penalty interest rate that insurers must pay if they fail to pay "timely and fully" from 18% per annum to a rate of adding 5% to the interest rate determined under Section 304.003 of the Finance Code, prejudgment interest which is currently 5%. Thus, the penalty is lowered from 18% to 10%. For claims to which Chapter 542A does not apply, however, the statutory penalty interest rate would still be 18%. That's right, Texas lawmakers have lowered the penalty on Insurers who abuse the system and take advantage of consumer from 18% to 10%.
Rep. Greg Bonnen sponsored the bill passed by the Texas House. Texans for Lawsuit Reform and The Texas Coalition for Affordable Insurance Solutions (TCAIS), which represents major homeowners insurance companies doing business in Texas, praised the passage of HB 1774.
Harvey will test new insurance law that could limit lawsuits against insurers
Joaquin Castro calls on Abbott to call special session to delay the new law
http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Harvey-will-test-new-insurance-law-that-could-12093164.php
"AUSTIN – Harvey will be the first test of a controversial new Texas insurance law that takes effect Friday.
Plaintiff's attorneys and a consumer watchdog group are urging people who suffered damages to file written notice of property insurance claims before the law takes effect along with hundreds of other new laws on Sept. 1.
By doing so, those policyholders will preserve their ability to collect an 18 percent penalty interest rate that insurance companies have to pay when they fail to pay a legitimate claim "timely and fully." That interest rate will drop to 10 percent under the new law. The difference could amount to thousands of dollars on a major claim.
The law applies to wind claims, but does not govern flood insurance , which almost exclusively is covered under the National Flood Insurance, Program said state Rep. Greg Bonnen, the Friendswood Republican who sponsored the bill which became law. The measure also does not apply to policyholders with the Texas Windstorm Insurance Association, which provides hailstorm and windstorm insurance in coastal counties, he added."
NBC News reports only one in six homes in Houston has flood insurance. And five years after Sandy, claimants are still fighting w/insurance adjusters for fair compensations from property losses from the storm.
Thank you for the information, DRJ. I donated.
Don't give any to Evanjellies.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/joel-osteen-criticized-for-closing-his-houston-megachurch-amid-flooding-2017-08-28
Ben burn (3d526b) — 8/29/2017 @ 7:21 am
New Texas law means Harvey victims have good reason to file claims by Friday
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/08/28/harvey-insurance-claims/
As Harvey floods Houston, a new Texas weather-insurance law could spell more bad news for its victims
http://theweek.com/speedreads/721416/harvey-floods-houston-new-texas-weatherinsurance-law-could-spell-more-bad-news-victims
Lawyers urge Texas homeowners to file Harvey claims before law change
Attorneys and a Texas lawmaker are urging homeowners to try and file claims for property damage inflicted by Hurricane Harvey before Friday, when a new insurance law goes into effect.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/28/news/texas-insurance-bill/index.html
Oh, wait… fake news.
Here's what I found to be a helpful article for those who are inclined to help out financially, but who feel a bit up-in-the-air about who they might should write those checks to.
Q! (267694) — 8/29/2017 @ 7:28 am
Gandhi said Christianity would be a nice idea if it were ever tried.
Ghana has destroyed it's statue in tribute of Gandhi because he was a racist.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/07/497014249/ghana-wants-to-remove-statue-of-gandhi-over-racism-controversy
All I know is I'll never be perfect enough for this world.
I have always been leery of megachurches.
New Texas Insurance Code Chapter 542A: New Law to Handle Texas Weather-Related Claims Effective Sept. 1
http://www.lawla.com/blog/new-texas-insurance-code-chapter-542a-new-law-handle-texas-weather-related-claims/
"In May, Governor Abbott signed a new bill aimed at decreasing perceived hailstorm litigation abuse. Curbing hail storm litigation has been a priority for Governor Abbott this year. The new law, House Bill 1774/Senate Bill 10, will become effective on September 1, 2017, and is codified in the Texas Insurance Code.
The new law makes a few key changes to the procedure for bringing certain property damage claims against insurers and insurance agents. The majority of the bill amends the Texas Insurance Code by adding Chapter 542A, specifically applying to claims regarding property damage or loss caused in any part by "forces of nature." Although the early impetus for the bill was hailstorm litigation, the bill's broad scope includes additional weather events such as earthquakes, wildfires, floods, tornados, lightning, hurricanes, wind, snow and rain storms. Chapter 542A applies to these weather-related actions against an insurer or agent, including: common law causes of action, causes of action under the Insurance Code for unfair methods of competition, unfair or deceptive acts and delayed payment of claims, as well as causes of action for deceptive trade practices under Chapter 17 of the Business & Commerce Code. The changes to the Texas Insurance Code affect how claimants must bring suit, who claimants can sue and how much claimants can recover."
Yes I'm not crazy about the prosperity gospel, but that commandment about false witness should override.
narciso (5bfcd6) — 8/29/2017 @ 7:42 am
Our resident spammer seems to be having hisself quite the time.
Grifters gotta swindle..
https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/remember-when-trump-took-insurance-for-hurricane-damage-that-reportedly-didnt-exist/
@637 Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/29/2017 @ 7:32 am
Whoa, Nellie, Steve. Your post wasn't all that accurate re: Ghana has destroyed it's [sic] statue in tribute of Gandhi as per the (11.2016) NPR story (emphasis added). Moreover (although I've no idea of the status of the statue at this precise moment), as of March 2017 it appears that the statue still stood proud.
As to (1) Gandhi said Christianity would be a nice idea if it were ever tried. : Hear, Hear!
And as to (2) All I know is I'll never be perfect enough for this world. : I hear you brother, you and me both. Preaching to the choir.
I've told you several times now. They aren't perfect, just forgiven.
The New Insurance Code provisions are designed to stop plaintiffs from refusing to give 60 days' notice to their insurers of suit before suing, despite a law requiring notice. The new law provides that plaintiffs cannot recover attorneys' fees if they fail to give notice.
One guess why plaintiffs' attorneys are making such a big deal out of this.
I think the predeployment of state and local government boats, plus the private boat owners, are making a huge difference in Harvey. I don't know if it is true but this book claims the City of New Orleans entered Katrina with only 5 police boats and no Fire Department boats, while the Louisiana National Guard boats were staged at a low point in the area and they were damaged or unavailable. We learned a good lesson there.
@645- Yes but the timing is lousy; to begin with, the objective of a claims adjuster is to minimize insurers liability, parse exposure and paying out. A claimant begins by battling up hill. Doubt many Texans are gonna find time to get claim paperwork submitted by Friday.
Douglas Brinkley: Historian praises N.O. 'Cajun navy,' raps Nagin, Bush
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/20257
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/books/review/09oshi.html
The Great Deluge: Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans, and the Mississippi Gulf Coast
by Douglas Brinkley
"While the government dithered, others filled the breach. Some of Brinkley's best writing describes the heroics of groups like the "Cajun Navy," composed of rural whites who strapped their boats to their pickups and traveled in caravans to New Orleans. Sweeping through black neighborhoods by day, sleeping in their trucks at night, the Cajuns saved close to 4,000 lives."
Brinkley: What Houston could learn from Katrina
http://www.kitv.com/story/36228627/brinkley-what-houston-could-learn-from-katrina
I think they did learn from that, DCSCA, and the Cajun Navy came to help in Houston. Great neighbors.
Harvey floodwaters overflow Houston reservoir, separate levee breach reported
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/29/harvey-floodwaters-put-houston-reservoirs-in-uncharted-territory.html
"Hours after the Addicks Reservoir was overtopped, officials in Brazoria County, located south of Houston, warned that a levee at Columbia Lakes had been breached by floodwaters and urged any residents who had not already evacuated the area to leave immediately, writing "GET OUT NOW!!"
@649- Yeah DRJ, and given the increasing frequency of these events occurring, a likely loose affilation will grow out of it. It's a good thing to see.
MSNBC reporting Houston official say suspected looters/robbers arrested.
It has begun.
No surprise. It's a Democrat-controlled big city. What kind of "demographics" is it likely to have?
@653. Big Oil– which is very GOP. 'Course they don't stoop to loot; just pick your pocket. 😉
The Mayor is giving a press conference. He is calm, seems competent, and he is addressing all the important points. For instance, the Columbia Lakes breach is South of Houston so it won't affect Houston but it does impact several communities that will probably have evacuations. The Houston reservoirs (Addicks and Barker) are still ok but can change anytime. They are currently focused on evacuating Kingwood.
The water system is fine and the electricity services have restored 240,000 customers so far. Unfortunately, 100,000 don't have service and more are losing service as flooding spreads, but they have crews working to restore service. (That is amazing to me that they can get service restored so quickly.)
Frankly, I think they've done well in Houston. They got 50 inches of rain, which is a record for a storm/hurricane. There will be more deaths reported because an unknown number of people were on the roads, and there are cars and bodies that were swept off the roads into deeper water. There have been stories of a missing family and a police officer who were caught in flooding, and there are surely more. It must be horrible for their families to have to wait.
I think you are confusing us for New York, which was known for its pickpockets.
But there has been looting reported for days, including looters shooting at first responders. That will not be tolerated here.
That's reassuring dry, but concerning for those displaced in the near term
@656. No. Know it too well; Pop was an oil man for 40 years. They pick pockets.
That must be hard. The goal is to get people out of shelters and moved to where they have family who can take them in, or to other communities who can help. Here in West Texas, we are already seeing families come. It's similar to the way Houston welcomed Katrina displaced families, and I know it will happen again.
I would like to see thousands more troops sent to Houston for the coming months to help keep order. There will be significant looting since the flooding hit many affluent areas.
What a shame for you, DCSCA. I was raised by an ethical oilman.
@661. LOL pumpin' gas, eh. Then you should know there's zero reason to raise gas prices nationwide this week; refineries in summer months shift blends and are producing for winter consumption. What being sold now is the summer blend refined and piped out for distribution weeks/month ago. They do it because they can get away with it; just like airlines.
What's really funny is POTUS rises or falls based on pump price.
Rex! Do you care?
@663. LOLOLOLOL T-Rex knows which way his pipelines flow; wants to tap those Rooskie fields one day.
548. DRJ (15874d) — 8/28/2017 @ 3:36 pm
How could anyone not read the caption? It's above the picture.
@664- Here's a quandary for the homeowners, lawyers to pick over w/insurers as they sift through policies- you file a claim for your home being flooded in a natural disaster but the flood damage was triggered was due to deliberate release of water from reservoirs to relieve/avert flooding in other areas. There's a mess on top of a mess.
The news media has no shame as we see in this inappropriate interview of flood victims.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 8/29/2017 @ 1:17 pm
Az bob.
Journalists aren't politicians.
Ben burn (3d526b) — 8/29/2017 @ 1:19 pm
@667????? C'mon, AZ– the 'stop putting a microphone in front of me so I can keep saying I have nothing to say' act doesn't cut it. All she had to do was walk away or insist and say 'I've nothing to say- go away.' Or, the famed "No comment."
There are plenty of others willing to go on camera and tell their stories.
The media's doing a good job reporting this mess. And unfortunately, they've had a lot of practice in the past few years improving on it.
@ 667 AZ Bob (f7a491) — 8/29/2017 @ 1:17 pm. The news media has no shame as we see in this inappropriate interview of flood victims.
Honestly Bob, I didn't see anything in the clip that made me conclude that the reporter was a d*ck. Maybe she is and maybe the pre-interview process (if any) (should have) revealed that this poor woman was basically exhausted physically and emotionally (and maybe financially, etc.), and maybe the reporter knew that in her brain and her heart and just didn't care and is nothing but a c*nt.
But for all I can see, the delugee seemed to break down pretty fast (under pretty neutral/ inoffensive questioning), and I honestly couldn't say whether the reporter was even somewhat negligent/insensitive – in dealing with that woman. I can't honestly fault either woman – on the basis of that clip.
In any event, it seems to me like quite a stretch to broadly tar "the media" because of that unfortunate interaction. Though I suspect that one would find it easier to do so, if one generally holds a great deal of animus towards "the media"/MSM/etc. Would it be fair to say that you fall into that class of persons?
My favorite live interview was on National TV as this young Turk asks a WWII Vet about the dedication of the new Memorial.
"I'm 89 years old "
"You mean 89 years young!"
"Go f**k yourself"
@615 Pinandpuller: Thanks. We'll have to look into that. Honestly this might be the year we actually buy that whole house generator we keep talking about. lol We got our power back this morning. Had a "priority rating" as it was a live line down and an electrocution hazzard. Only took them two days. (Okay, they cut the power to the line so nobody would get electrocuted while waiting for the trees to be removed.)
Our place remains dry. And it has stopped raining here in my area! yes! But the next phase has started. Trees are starting to topple in our area. The ground is so saturated that trees are going down, just uprooting and falling over. Our neighbors lost a historic 100 yr old Live Oak tree that was 15 ft. in circumference. So sad to see it go. We have lost three trees, a holly and two Oaks. One threatened the house and we got it down before it toppled.
Now to just get it to dry out. Unfortunately some areas (Kingwood) are just now flooding and it is going to be worse before it is better.
There are over 400 high water streets warnings in Houston proper. Still a LOT of water out there.
Cruz and Cornyn are on TV right now discussing disaster relief bills and the votes on Sandy. They made it clear that they voted for disaster relief but they didn't vote for the "bigger bill" because of the wasteful pork attached that would take money from the people who really needed it. They said if they get a bill for disaster relief in TX they want to make it a clean bill that is about disaster relief and nothing more. The insinuation was that attaching non-disaster relief pork is dishonest and they will do all they can to make sure any bill presented will be on-subject. I'm sure DCSCA will have plenty to say about that. Have at it, I don't care. I'll be headed down to do relief tomorrow. I have some sheet rock to cut out but our damage to our downtown house is minimal and won't take much time so I'll be helping in any way I can for the next few weeks. Debating politics will not be one of them.
488. It's been raining slightly here in Brooklyn, New York for almost or about 5 hours, strenghthening from not quite a drizzle to a bit more than a drizzle. It's been attributed to Hurricane Irma.
Last night on the 11 O'Clock news on WCBS-TV Channel 2 the weatherman said at about 11:17 pm that if it rains on Sunday, it will be the remnants of Hurricane Harvey.
you should make pimento cheese!
Oh, and stupidest comment I've heard so far….
Houston has a mandatory jail order in place for looters. This one woman went off on the mayor about it saying it was "racist." When the news person asked why it was racist this black woman said, "everyone knows it just black kids looting so it's racist…."
Some people just don't think of what they say do they.
And for the record there's been plenty of recording of both black and white people looting. Race has nothing to do with it, honesty or lack-of does.
Marci @ 544 Marci (d4e28a) — 8/28/2017 @ 3:23 pm
@ 480 (me) Clifford Krauss uses a term I never heard before: hardline telephone.
I said I never heard the term. I didn't say I never had a telephone like that. I have, or had, three. The term is back formation, like rotary phone. Over here we call that a "landline."
I saw on the perhaps Google Ngram on this website I linked to
that "hard-line" in an older term that became popular, peaked around 1990 and then started dropping. We never used it here, maybe because cellphones got off to a slower start in the northeast. I still don't have a cellphone. I hate them. Too small. You can lose them. No receiver. Texting is ridiculous. I'm waiting maybe till they accept voice input.
I had the thought that "hardline" is dialect, like we say soda and you say pop.
https://laughingsquid.com/soda-pop-or-coke-maps-of-regional-dialect-variation-in-the-united-states/
Patteruico did a post on this once.
https://patterico.com/2013/12/23/where-are-you-from-take-the-dialect-test/
It looks like we have to add "landline" versus "hardline" to the list of dialect variations.
I have read and heard the term "hard-wired."
quoted, taht
Q!, I may have been premature but I don't believe I was inaccurate. It's no secret that Mahatma Gandhi was no enemy of apartheid. His problem was that he was as an Indian put on the wrong side of it.
I don't hold it against him. The "Great Soul" was flawed like the rest of us.
i'm sure at least some of the looting is just people what have kids to feed
but they should've prepared better they live on the gulf of the mexico! (here there be hurricanes)
why wouldn't you be prepared?
number one cause of you're irresponsible
number two cause of you're stupid
hello i'm ready for a hurricane and i live in chicago
yeah i see you eyeballing my tasty selection of soups and odd delicacies like the cans of pickled quail eggs and those apple rings what come in a jar I think i had one time at grandma's house before she died
did you know you can get canned tamales?
they're not that great but you can work with them
Bay Ridge, Sammy?
Duck into Lentos @ about 70th st for the best thin-crust pizza and meat-sauce. Don't tell me if it's extinct.
@672 marci – Congrats! My cousin (somewhere in Houston) lucked out as well (no water & power throughout), and figures he can make it out of the house tomorrow. More power to you on your good-samaritaning.
@675 marci – Pretty funny, in a sad-ish sort of way.
happyfeet @444
Marci:
Not that easy. Houston normally floods in localized areas. Zip codes are crude divisions, but there probably exist flood insurance maps or previous flooding maps. It would be more for local guidance.
Montrose will flood, or The Woodlands, or Pasadena…. but not this time.
You mean normally it rains heavier in some places?
Rush Limbaugh said yesterday Houston could flood in a small rain. He said he remembered a baseball game. Both teams were there at the Astrodome (and of course the Astrodome protected the baseball field) but people couldn't get to the balllpark, so they cancelled the game.
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/08/28/contrary-to-what-youre-being-told-the-houston-flooding-isnt-unprecedented/
…Houston can get flooded by a drizzle. I remember, I forget the year, but it was in the summer, and there was a baseball game scheduled in the old Astrodome. And they had to cancel the baseball game after both teams had arrived because a late-afternoon downpour had flooded enough of the city that people could not get to the 'Dome.
Both teams were there so they had a gigantic dinner on the field, the two teams together. It was the Astros and I think the Pittsburgh Pirates, but I'm not altogether sure, and I don't remember the year. But these kinds of floods — well, not these kinds, but floods in Houston are not rare…
It is flooding EVERYWHERE in Houston. It is flooding north, south, central, east. The safest spot has been west of Houston but even some of those areas are in trouble.
But some areas must be deeper than others – some places passable by cars and some not. Maps could be made showing how to get around.
Now people are getting around by boat, and some looters are shooting in the direction of the boat because they don't want to be interfered with. Some people are stealing boats, maybe just to get away from the flooding.
Does DCSCA have a cousin in Tampa?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/08/29/university-fires-professor-who-suggested-harvey-was-karma-for-texas-republicans/?utm_term=.2fcf05b55392
University of Tampa professor fired for saying Texans deserve hurricane for voting Trump
Does this bother the same folks who have strong opinions about "Berkeley & free speech & antifa", or the Google CEO axing whatisname?
I would, too. When I did disaster relief I always showed up with, in addition to a power plant that could power a country, a hospital, and victuals, and several hundred of my Marine Corps friends.
It doesn't take thousands. One riot, one ranger.
Again thanks for the info on the charity. The Navy will probably show up eventually. You can only justify hurricane avoidance for so long.
Not Bay Ridge.
About Lentos pizza: I can't find out for you because you don't give me the avenue. It's not kosher and on top of that I don't like pizza.
Wait: (Google actually works for this)
Lentos Pizza closed at the beginning of 2006, attempts were made to revive it, and then they were gone again. It was at 7003 Third Ave. The site was then occupied for awhile by the Yellow Hook Grill and then Firefly.
(by the way the MTA has temporarily shut down the Bay Ridge Avenue station)
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/boroughs/unkindest-slice-dispute-founder-kin-shuts-landmark-pizzeria-article-1.581747
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/15/nyregion/thecity/in-a-blink-a-brooklyn-stalwart-bows-out.html
https://www.chowhound.com/post/lentos-style-pizza-brooklyn-452976
They are making a pizza that tastes just like Lento's pizza at Jose Murphy Circles Spaghetti Western Canteena. We went in because we saw their ad that claimed to do a "Pizza Prepared reverently in the lento style". Much to our amazement it tasted exactly like a Lento's pizza. It was wonderful. "Jose Murphy" is located at 8001 5th Ave. in Bay Ridge, at the corner of 5th Ave. and 80th St. — previously this retaurant was called Canteena.
I don't know how long that lasted, or how long Firefly did:
http://brooklynreporter.com/story/bay-ridge-natives-to-open-up-nostalgic-pizzeria-brooklyn-firefly-in-place-of-yellow-hook/
There is or was a Lentos on Staten Island at 291 New Dorp Lane. That may also be closed.
More people have probably died tahn have bene reported. It was reported this morning taht the death toll was three but yesterday CBS had a stroy about 6 people possibly dying when a car drove underwater with the windows closed. The New York Daily news had a headline saying 10.
In coming up with figures, officials (?) are trying only to count deaths due to the storm. No heart attacks maybe. No unrelated accidents.
Maybe they should subtract usual traffic deaths so maybe it could even be a negative number..
Sammy:
I suppose I didn't research because I didn't want to know it was gone.
Other than Lentos I found the myth of NY pizza a sad disappointment, but cheap. Loved Veal Parm Hero's though.
Kosher is ceremonial anymore. Hebrew National dogs are nitrate- filled. Not much health benefit.
662 – I think you meant that as an insult and while my family and I haven't worked in the marketing end of the industry, it is a vital contribution run by good folks.
667 Az Bob – I saw that interview live. My heart goes out to her. What they also didn't show in that clip is that they had made the lady and her daughter stand there for a couple of minutes while the anchor talked about other things. These folks were clearly exhausted and the reporter acted like they were required to wait to be interviewed. Unfortunately, the media can act like their jobs trump everyone else's lives, and some people seem to agree. Good for this lady for pushing back.
Also, there are free market ways of rationing and centralized directed ways. Chris Christie chose the latter.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/02/sandy-gas-new-jersey/1677715/
This is so many kinds of wrong.
666. That is a causation issue. My guess is courts will decide the flooding was the cause of everything, but there may be case law or even statutes that treat the release as an intervening cause. I doubt it but I haven't researched it.
Way to go, marci. I am so proud to be a Texan with you.
They are counting every storm-related death, Sammy, and it's climbing 15 last I looked — including the police officer and the family of 6.
NPR says it wasn't caused by flooding at all it was cause the US withdrew from the Paris Agreement
@691. DRJ– yeah, that seems an issue that may come up in some places. It's hellish battling insurance firms– maybe worse than the storm itself.
@689. LOLOLOL DRJ, oh that's funny- thought yours was a dig LOL.. but just let it roll off the back.
Truce.
The gas that's out there now for distribution/sale was refined last winter into May or June as summer blend and they switch over to refine winter blends in summer. That's the drill, every year -and when switch over time comes, they'll normally do annual refinery maintenance. The oil companies do have pull over their distributors, pricing and the percentages charged and s on, but indies can jack up load prices on the QT all the same for short periods like this at retail and it can be out of their hands until it's too late. My Dad used to tell everyone to call any major's HQ if any a station w/their logo was doing it– they want ot know about it- but it's hard to catch'em cold and not very cost-effective to track them down- so they usually get away with it — you know, $4 or $5/tank full for a few days is just enough skim.
The retail end of company-O/O stations grew to be a real PITA to manage as profit margins were shrinking; most outsourced credit card operations as well to banks and lease just the name (like Trump does) to station owners as a draw. So, say you drive into a Mobil station today, it's likely not actually an Exxon-Mobil o/o station– a lot of folks don't realize that. Some have just pulled retail operations out of regions entirely (Exxon-Mobil closed a lot of stations in CA) and just operate as distributors as it's more profitable. But there's no reason to raise prices on summer blend fuel that's out in the marketplace now.
A little perspective:
http://www.texasarchive.org/library/index.php/The_Orris_D._Brown_Collection,_no._4_-_The_Great_Houston_Flood_of_1935
DCSCA seems angry. Maybe that's just me. Here's a vertrep video. And it includes Army; a Logistics Support Element.
I am not anything but ecumenical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBlbAvcQruc
It highlights the troops, as it should. Thank God for the troops.
@696- A little more perspective–
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/downashore/The-March-1962-Storm-that-rocked-the-Jersey-Shore-heres-the-video.html
Neighbor's boss was killed in this one– washed away. The local papers published a booklet about it at the time and then realized it was counterproductive to tourism so they quickly pulled them. The Great March Storm was the biggest benchmark — before Sandy.
@697. It's you.
You know those boys could do a lot of good in Texas right now.
Ok. You win.
ASPCA probably needs to transition away from Turner Classic Movies to teh Cartoon Network. It might help relieve his constipation.
I can't speak for anyone else, here, but as a staunch Libertarian Progressive Liberal, I believe that people should have the right to say anything I want to hear and do anything I want to do.
Seriously: Some of FIRE's clients are dorky losers who are better off keeping their mouths shut for their own sake, but I agree with FIRE's overall mission. Academia has been overreaching for a long time and it needs to be curbed.
@701. =Haiku= Gesundheit!
Oh my, Colonel, that's way below par for you.
Not feelin' well, eh.
Try Kaopectate
http://www.petmd.com
Oh, they make it for people, too.
@672. Cruz and Cornyn are on TV right now discussing disaster relief bills and the votes on Sandy.
Marci, Cruz was outted for lying again on air and had to amend his double-down through his office.
It's routine w/Tedtoo; like 'forgetting' his Canadian citizenship. He's old news now.
The mayor of Houston declared a curfew from 10 pm to 5am, except that the first night it starts at midnight.
It seems that, as they took more people to shelters, they didn't adjust their plans quickly enough. They should have been creating more shelters — also diverting as many people as possible – maybe they did.
Walmart trucks with supplies took 2 days to get the one shelter – then they couldn't unload because the storage space was being used by people. The shelter started out with 700 people – two days later they had 9,000, double the intended capacity. Now they are up to 17,000 in several places. (if I got this correctly)
Sammy Finkelman (aaadb3) — 8/29/2017 @ 6:34 pm
Truce is fine with me. I know you think it's smart to take advantage of any opportunity to get ahead and get even. It's how people think where you come from, but it isn't where I come from. There are pros and cons to both but I genuinely feel sorry for people who live in that culture — and I bet you feel sorry for those in mine.
@705– Don't know Sammy; go back and review the storm track projections for Harvey; it more or less came on fairly quickly- it ballooned from a TS to a cat 1 to a cat 4 PDQ the just stalled. That's one they'll be studying for years. Texas didn't really have more than a 48-72 hours head's up and apparently the topography down there is fairly flat and isn't conducive to fast, natural drainage– hence the bayous, levees and such. So they really couldn't predict with any certainty where and when the flooding would occur. No major city could be expected to be prepared for this size of an event.
Houston's doing pretty good; the death toll is low compared to Sandy– and certainly Katrina (3,000 lost there) and keeping the power on for so many as they could has been some splendid engineering- a real gift. It's the fall and winter months after the attention and cameras moves on when they're going to need as much follow up as can be mde available.
So exactly what was Ted Cruz's lie?
Houston was ill-prepared
the little towns in-between Houston and Corpus did much much better
'I know you think it's smart to take advantage of any opportunity to get ahead and get even.' OTOH, it isn't called 'the Lone Star State' for nothing. 😉 You'll be having FEMA occupying Texas for years as it is and that's certainly more than enough to make your teeth grit.
@708- He was bloviating about the Sandy package again a day or so ago and was tagged out for being wrong again; his office amended it. It's the same old, same old politican stuff. He'll move on from it and focus on Harvey.
FIRE's conviction that something is there to be salvaged
that's admirably idealistic i think
DCSCA's comment about the oil refineries raising their prices on gasoline that has already been produced only demonstrates that he has never run a business. When a business prices its product before it puts it out for sale, it takes into account all its costs, not only the raw material and labor for that product. That would include hurricane damage, cost of cleanup and repair/replacement, recouping of lost business, re-establishing supply lines, workmens compensation for workers hurt on the job during the hurricane, and many more things. Moreover, it wants to spread those costs out as much as possible and not have spikes and dips in its process, because that costs goodwill.
But "greedy oilmen reaping windfall profits" makes a better header.
@709- Nah. Cut'em some slack. This was a one-off. No city could have been prepared for an event of this scale.
Ted Cruz sided with the feckless Houston mayor and said y'all losers need to sit here in the soup we can't trust your ass to evacuate
and yeah that's probably the same kind of paternalistic harvardtrash daddy-ted-knows-best worthlessness he'd bring to the presidency
@713. Look, stupid, that's inaccurate and you really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to this issue. Now go play with your trains.
no Mr. nk right
this ain't nobody's first rodeo oil and gas wise
no Mr. nk *is* right i mean
@715- The Ted Cruz I saw was sided up to a table w/ arch enemy Trump in Corpus Christi, in clean, dry chinos, a nice golf shirt, and w/bottled water in front of him.
That's leadership!
707. I didn't complain that they didn't make plans – they didn't know what would happen. I said they didn't adjust their plans. And there are a few things that could have been done quickly, like getting maps out of the flooded streets. Maybe they did. They did with the highways You know you could establish a website, like people do for cheaper gasoline.
The only observation I made is that they didn't improvise enough (like NASA did with Apollo 13, for
instance.) And they didn't realize how one thing they did affected other things. Like taking too many people to the same shelter was going to not leave space for supplies. There are people who were in the military and handled logistics. Or in business.
Still, at least they didn't stop people from helping each other, like FEMA did with Katrina.
JESUS PLEASE
SAVE MY MCMANSION
it's so soggy
and my wife is fat
so while you savin
my mcmansion
please to help
her work on that
Nk @713 is right. When you sell a product, you sell at replacement cost. Otherwise, you won't be able to restock your shelves. And the fact remains that while the refineries are down, the supply of gasoline will be decreased while the demand will stay the same (or go up slightly, Labor Day weekend is approaching). So the replacement cost is going to be higher than the acquisition cost of the current supply.
But nobody ever expects intellectual honesty from DCSCA.
They were still evacuating too many people, because they didn't have a good place to take them to. If people can stay in place, or move to some place close where they would be comfortable, fine.
Now they also need some way to predict where there's going to be more, or too much, flooding. This can be done. Especially if you start with an informed person.
@722. Except he's not.
He doesn't know squat about the topic. Neither do you.
For starts the gasoline refined in summer months is not for summer consumption; its winter blend for winter consumption. Now go play w/your trains, too.
just got a text of the oyster house in rockport (that two-toned light blue place)
it's splinters
the blending rules go out the window when this crap happens Mr. DCSCA you know that
@722. Gee, Chuckie, guess I'll have to dig up my dead Dad and tell him the way he and his multi-national petroleum company operated around the wplanet for the for 40 years he worked for them at a Tillerson-executive level was alllllll wrong; Chuckie and nk say so. =sheesh=
Gotta see a man about a shovel!
boiling pot fared a little better 🙂
Have you ever run a business?
Never mind. You are a waste of time on this thread.
NEW RULE
there will be no disinterment of dead parents in this thread
@726. Except they don't.
But we welcome your belief that they do. Do fill'er up!
@729. Yes, you are. =sheesh=
Volatility standards may be relaxed (allowing more gasoline components into the atmosphere) during emergency anticipated gasoline shortages. For example, on 31 August 2005 in response to Hurricane Katrina, the United States permitted the sale of non-reformulated gasoline in some urban areas, which effectively permitted an early switch from summer to winter-grade gasoline. As mandated by EPA administrator Stephen L. Johnson, this "fuel waiver" was made effective through 15 September 2005. Though relaxed volatility standards may increase the atmospheric concentration of volatile organic compounds in warm weather, higher volatility gasoline effectively increases a nation's gasoline supply because the amount of butane in the gasoline pool is allowed to increase.
With your dyspeptic commentary, ASPCA, you appear to be on a mission to redefine the word "execrable".
@733. THERE IS NO SHORTAGE!
the refineries are closed and we can't just rip up export contracts neither
GAS MY RV UP
so while you're gassin
my rv up
@734. Kaopectate, big fella.
Maybe some saltines.
@736. Good try. It's a global industry w/a ubiquitous product. Rotterdam is crackin' away.
the whole place is pickled!
(the people are pickles for sure)
and no-one knows if they've done more here
than they ever would do in a jar
738… heal thyself, Mr. Bumfuzzled.
740.@736. Good try. It's a global industry w/a ubiquitous product. Rotterdam is crackin' away.
You really don't understand how business works, do you? Yes, oil is a "global business" but it's distribution is local. Oil in Rotterdam is of no use to Houston right now.
You leftists really should take at least one business course.
One difference from Katrina: When they evacuate people, they're taking all the pets this time (although apparently not keeping them together with the people a lot of the time – but they are labeling them!)
@742. =sigh= Hoagie, see #727.
Feel good, stay healthy and enjoy your night.
don't do it Mr. Hoagie it's a trick
I've reprinted on my own blog my comments above, along with several other comments I've left on Facebook.
Rev, trying to explain business to ASPCA is like trying to explain the color blue to someone who was born without sight.
Update: It stopped raining in New York sometime last night.
Some more people missing in Houston:
http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/missing-rescuers-video-houston-flood-ben-vizueth-facebook-live/?b2np=d
Just because someone is a rescuer doesn't mean it si safe to go out. There's a danger of electrocution.
The Dallas Independent School District announced that it will allow students displaced by the hurricane to attend classes in Dallas at three of its schools.
"It's real simple," Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said. "If folks have a child they want to get educated and not sit in a center, they walk in the door, they register, put the kid down on a desk and they start learning."
Beldar had an update at | Aug 30, 2017 7:06:22 AM in comment 4 on his last post on his blog:
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2017/08/tap-tap-tap-is-this-thing-still-on-hurricane-harvey-has-beldar-back-here-at-least-briefly.html
My question is, though, what happened to the comment that got put in moderation? Did it get out? Is it one of those or very similar to one of those on his blog? If not, he might want to retrieve that too.
750. My question is, why do they go on thinking or talking like every day of school is important? This is absurd. There's almost nothing that has more redundancy than what is taught in public schools.
If you thought Houston was bad, (and it wasn't really) the New York Times has something else to tell you:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/world/asia/floods-south-asia-india-bangladesh-nepal-houston.html
Now bear in mind, it's not all one rainstorm there. But even right niow, it's going on in Bombay (not as bad though):
On Tuesday, Mumbai, the sprawling financial capital, was soaked to the bone. Nearly all day, the rain drummed down. As people scurried up the sidewalks, the wind tore umbrellas out of their hands.
The sky seemed to fall lower and lower, pressing down on the building tops, cutting visibility to a few blocks, then a few yards. By midafternoon, it was so dark it felt like nightfall.
Busy intersections were deluged, and cars struggled to part the muddy, greenish waters. Several Mumbai television channels reported that more rain had fallen on the city in the past several days than any other time since July 2005, when severe flooding killed more than 1,000 people in this part of India.
Many trains and flights were delayed or canceled, marooning countless people. The authorities urged people to stay home and keep the roads clear for emergency vehicles. (Many did not heed that advice, leading to traffic snarls throughout the city on Tuesday evening.)
Schools and colleges were shut. Rising water spilled into hospitals and sloshed across the floors.
Police officials warned people to leave their cars behind if they were caught in a flash flood.
The Mumbai police, writing on Twitter, urged people to abandon their cars if they encountered high water.
In Nepal, earlier, they were rescuing people with elephants, and aid workers built rafts from bamboo and banana leaves.
The New York Times had a lead editorial today warning people about the possibility giving to the Red Cross was a bad idea:.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/opinion/harvey-red-cross-donations.html?mcubz=0
The Red Cross is the flagship of charitable institutions. It is also a master of promotion. After every disaster, its ads, celebrity testimonials and distinctive logo are everywhere, beseeching Americans to donate blood and money. This week Barack Obama became the Red Cross's latest Twitter pitchman, urging Americans to make a $10 donation by texting "HARVEY." During President Trump's televised update on the response in Texas on Tuesday, a Red Cross representative sat front and center. Corporations find donations to the Red Cross a ready way to demonstrate they care: The organization has already raised millions from JPMorgan, Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Dow Chemical and others for its Harvey efforts.
This is all to the good, assuming the money flows to the right places. But after years of media reports documenting the Red Cross's disaster relief failures — including after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Sandy and the Haiti earthquake — some Americans instead are giving to smaller, local charities with a track record in Texas.
It doesn't name them in the editorial, but online it does link to a story naming and linking to alternatives to the Red Cross:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/donate-harvey-charities-scams.html
I knew they'd show eventually.
https://news.usni.org/2017/08/30/uss-kearsarge-uss-oak-hill-leave-thursday-hurricane-harvey-relief-operation
One more time.
It's a beautiful thing. They can do a lot more than I can do with my chainsaw.
I donated to http://www.houstonfoodbank.org since I figure this is the kind of help people are going to need short term, plus my company matched 100%
@756. Sheila Jackson Lee (D) from Houston just said on MSNBC she is working up a House bill w/Harvey aid to introduce for $152 billion.
… And let the games begin.
good job Mr. thulhu!
that's a good way to leverage your love for texas
i just did Salvation Army and kind of embarrassingly small cause of I should probably keep my powder dry in case the family decides we need to do something as a family
The cellar dweller has no memory. Put the bong down, loser.
http://therightscoop.com/christie-attacks-ted-cruz-over-sandy-funding-but-cruz-was-not-alone-by-far-in-voting-against-the-bill/
. Sheila Jackson Lee (D) from Houston just said on MSNBC she is working up a House bill w/Harvey aid to introduce for $152 billion.
Say, what does that (D) thing mean next to her name?
I think it means Ted Cruz was right all along.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:28 am
"An immediate release of gasoline or crude oil, if also warranted, from the SPR would help protect consumers from price spikes at the pump and tame any market speculation that could be unduly affecting markets and harming consumers," Markey wrote, according to The Hill.
just how much gasoline does this dumbass think the SPR holds exactly
A footnote for DCSCA 186:
Rockport and its neighbors were where Harvey made landfall and they had the most wind/infrastructure damage. The area electricity provider has restored power to all but 31,000 homes, most of which are in Rockport. The provider estimates all power will be restored in Rockport by September 8.
Meanwhile, Houston's electricity provider has less than 5,000 homes without power.
Workers from all over the state and nation helped get service restored to South Texas. What a great job they did. Over 99% of homes and businesses had their power restored within days, and the last 1% that was hardest hit will be online within 10 days.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:27 pm
@762. Wonderful! Now Floridians escaping Irma have a place to evacuate to.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/5/2017 @ 9:36 pm
By and large Houston kept electricity throughout Harvey, with only relatively small pockets affected by outages. Hurricane winds prevent linemen from doing their jobs to a much greater degree than isolated flooding, although as we've seen with the Beaumont water supply, even localized power outages can lead to cascading failures with widespread consequences.
I was sad to learn today that the company that made the WaterBOB has gone out of business, since its products gave me, my ex (with whom two of our adult kids reside), and my next-door neighbor 100 gallons of reliably potable water in reserve during Harvey. (In fact, we haven't drained those bathtub reservoirs yet, since there's still a chance Irma might veer south and head toward the already-soaked and still-partly-flooded Texas Gulf Coast.)
Most of Houston was without power for extended periods during Ike, so while this flooding is much worse, at least those involved in the recovery efforts can escape from the pockets of flood disaster to nearby oases with power and AC.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/5/2017 @ 10:48 pm
@764 Beldar
Many years ago my submerged well pump went out. It took a bit of time to get a guy hired to get it sorted out. I went to the Farmer's COOP and bought a 300 gallon sealed water tank like farmers use to haul water to the field. I filched water at work a few times and it got me through.
It might be less practical in an urban setting unless you have a big garage.
Pinandpuller (3d1399) — 9/5/2017 @ 11:54 pm
Yeah, the nice thing about the WaterBOB — and its apparently successful market competitor, the AquaPodKit [sic] — stay in their boxes, folded up until needed. But I know exactly the kind of water tank you're talking about.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/6/2017 @ 12:00 am
WaPo, 9/6/2017; House approves $7.85 billion in Harvey relief, Trump sides with Democrats over length of debt limit hike.
The House approved a $7.85 billion aid package for victims of Hurricane Harvey, its first major order of business following the August recess and Congress's first step toward fulfilling President Trump's promise of relief for South Texas.
The measure providing $7.4 billion for the Federal Emergency Management Agency and $450 million for a disaster loan program for small businesses passed 419-3 with 12 representatives not voting. Reps. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), Justin Amash (R-Mich.) and Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) voted no.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/6/2017 @ 10:30 am
DC: SCALES OF GOVERNANCE falling off his eyes…glacially
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/6/2017 @ 10:33 am
American ingenuity is getting the last few homes back online, DCSCA. r
As for the disaster relief being combined with raising the debt ceiling, what did you expect from a nation led by a New Yorker? Even Texans can't stop their corruption.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/7/2017 @ 7:30 am
But $7.4B in relief for Texas pales in comparison to the $60 billion the Sandy States wanted and got.