This is the phrase that I've used in some stuff which I've done with a think tank in London called Demos, where we've been looking at these people who are amateurs -- i.e., they do it for the love of it -- but they want to do it to very high standards.
Itu sebutan yang saya gunakan dalam beberapa pekerjaan yg saya kerjakan bersama think tank di London bernama Demos, dimana kami mempelajari orang-orang yg amatir dibidangnya -- mereka lakukan karena kecintaan mereka -- tapi mereka punya standar kerja yg tinggi.