CA: Was there a sense from them of a narrative that things were kind of tough and bad, or was there a narrative of some kind of level of growth, that things over time were getting better?
CA: Apakah ada perasaan akan kisah mereka bahwa semuanya sulit dan buruk, atau apakah ada kisah semacam tingkat pertumbuhan, hal-hal yang dari waktu ke waktu menjadi semakin baik?