BG: That's a very, very Greek philosopher kind of thing to say -- YV: That was Einstein, actually -- BG: During your talk you mentioned Singapore and China, and last night at the speaker dinner, you expressed a pretty strong opinion about how the West looks at China.
BG: Itu sangat, sangat tipikal filosofi Yunani, yang Anda katakan -- YV: Sebenarnya itu Einstein -- BG: Dalam ceramah Anda, Anda menyebut Singapura dan China, dan dalam jamuan makan malam kemarin Anda menyampaikan pendapat yang cukup keras tentang bagaimana Barat memandang China.