Very insightful interview. Natural progression, diversity, contingency, chance, adaptation, coming together, autopoesis and continuity not selection is evolution. After a volcano erupted in prehistoric Africa, burying half the planet in ash, and causing extinction of some archaeo-hominids with tool technology across continents, only about 1500 Homo sapiens were left apart from Neanderthals and Denisovans (we have some DNA from them too), this was chance not selection and them migrating out of Africa, was adaptation in face of scarce resources. Yuval Noah Harari doesn't put this in his books, because it doesn't agree with his Darwinian world view. Polly the cloned sheep died. If you enjoy literature and philosophy, read Doris Lessing's Sirian Experiments especially Shikasta, science should be responsible not freakishly experimental. The answer is already there if the West is willing to look East. Instead of gene editing, gene splicing, designer babies, GMO foods, synthesizing life in the lab, or implanting microchips in brains like Elon Musk, how about tackling climate change, socio-economic inequity, stablizing politics, good governance, enhancing health and well being, and better education for all, why can't these be the goals of modern academia? Western academia and technological enterprises are living in an ontological vacuum, their lack of exposure to the humanities is resulting in a materialistic and hedonistic pursuit of innovation that is empty of meaning, exploitative of natural resources and societies and little more than intellectual narcissism, but aimed mostly at profit.