I'm tearing up listening to this interview. THIS is the frontier of the human enterprise, this is what is important. Perusing knowledge in these spheres. Lately I've allowed my brain to be filled with the epiphenomena, the surface forms of human conflict depicted in the news. That is all a distraction. I want to see through the adaptive fiction, through the infinite instantiations of agent behavior. Reality is not the matter which stores the information, but the information itself. The equation transforming physical reality, not the input or output which is incidental to it. Thank you Lex for putting the work into preparing for and conducting these critical interviews. Some order amid the divisive, destructive chaos around us. A small beacon of light in the vast, whirling darkness we humans are born into.