Great discussion!<br><br>These are two extremely smart people. I wonder why they don't bring up the research in various scientific journals (Lancet, Elsevier, etc) about the viral load and transmission similarities between vax and unvax. I think the vax is a positive attribute to society but frankly this specific vax is proven, scientifically, to not reduce the viral load nor transmission of CoV2.<br><br>Another point about masks. All of the research for masks is somewhat flawed but the cluster trial from Bangladesh proves that cloth masks have no significant impact in reduction of transmission and surgical masks have ~10%-12% reduction in transmission. I wonder why the guest here mentioned he believed that the "recommended" (cloth masks) are useful.<br><br>In closing, I just wonder why these details are most normally left out from these discussions. I also cringe at the 15MM number of deaths.