This was an excellent podcast - I rarely have the stamina to make it through such lengthy interviews, but this was well worth it and is heavily recommended.  Two small quibbles:  <br><br>1.  Lex and Jay make frequent references to the focus of policy on the "laptop class" which is quite right, however they almost speak about it as disapproving outsiders, when in fact their work/professions make them part of that class (as I am, so no judgement).  In fact, they may well be leaders of that class.<br><br>2.  Lex and Jay also repeatedly refer to the "arrogance" of close-minded people.  This serves to vilify them and seems to be somewhat personal.  What we have seen during Covid is that people's emotional responsess -  whether defensive, judgemental, downputting, or hostile - predominantly come from a place of fear, not malice.  When Lex professes to be about love, he should be choosing the compassionate view of these people, even while he disapproves of their actions and disagrees with their perspectives.,(reply>), Well said. Loved the interview, but agree with your points