This is hilarious.  The guest is trying to manipulate the listener's perception of his content/speech via facial expressions and body language to a guy who is neurologically tuned out to that (I'm not sh*****ng on you Lex, I think you know that body language is not your thing as far as being susceptible to that kind of manipulation on an unconscious level, the way most people are).  Good lord but that is highly entertaining.  People trying to process just his words should pay attention to his response when asked for evidence that there was a lab leak early on.  He turns it on his head and asserts there's no evidence -- after a lot of bodylanguage and facial expression posturing, totally devoid of actual argumentative content -- he even includes a weird, inverted "some people say" locution (pure sociopathic genius!).  That claim is totally false, and anybody familiar with contact tracing and the publicly available content/discourse about why and how virologists are attempting to locate the originary point of human infection knows this.  The guest tries to deny it with a boldy false statement and body language that he thinks will convince his audience (to someone devoid of response to that mode of coercion).  That's just...hilarious.  So awesome.  Just mindblowingly, kookoo upsidedown-world entertaining.,(reply>), He's not the same kind of person as you, Lex.  I hope you noticed this from the way he stared you down.  His point of view should be countenanced and answered, it's just not going to be in this format, and that is dangerous.  Aside from obscuring reality, his modes obscure people's ability to "read between the lines" when his mode of argumentation (reasonableness mixed with total irrationality and manipulation) is normalized by being treated as normal, or even "better than normal."  Most viewers will be incapable of recognizing that his valid and invalid modes of argumentation are all mixed up in a total mess of chaos, because he's good at making nonsense <b>look</b> "reasonable," even when he's intentionally veering from reason.