Polygon is an SJW neo-marxist hellhole and they need to be ignored.,(reply>), Lol I agree with u that sjw idiots like polygon needs to take things lightly and relax their shit...but neo marxist? Did u mean groucho or harpo...read upon words u don’t understand pls and know where to use it...i mean it with the best intentions man,(reply>), Danov you blame it not raining for the soviets starving? Are you stupid? It's because they murdered the "kulacks" all of their best farmers then took all of the food grown by the farmers to the cities and leaving the outskirts to starve.<br><br>The sentence was death for not turning in so much as a single grain of wheat.<br><br>But it's the weather's fault. Also it was the rain that expelled thousands of people to Siberia in the dead of winter.<br><br>Read The Gulag Archipelago.,(reply>), no we should not ignore we should make fun of them. thats how you deal with ppl with stupid ideas.,(reply>), <i>"Danov in your 'Utopia' did you run out of food and have to resort to eating paint chips or something?"</i><br>We're talking about Marxism, not Marxist-Leninist socialist states, but I am not surprised that you are uninformed enough to conflate the two. Marx never outlined how a socialist state would be particularly structured, so blaming anything that the Soviet Union did on him is like blaming Jesus for the failure of the Crusades. Plus, communism is not a utopia; a utopia is an idealist society, whereas Marx used a scientific analysis of history to come to his conlcusions that socialism would emerge from capitalism, and communism would emerge from socialism, just as feudalism emerged from slave society, and capitalism emerged from feudalism. There is a stark difference between utopian socialists like Robert Owen and scientific socialists like Karl Marx. If you want to bring up the food argument," I have some documents for you to look at easily debunking these stale claims of yours.<br><a href=""https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf"">https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf</a><br><a href=""https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/pdf/amjph00269-0055.pdf"">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/pdf/amjph00269-0055.pdf</a><br><br><i>"Eithert way", you cannot refute that capitalism has brought more people up out of poverty than any other economc system. Unless there's new data I'm unaware of."</i><br>This is another frequent claim that is easily debunked by a couple of analyses. The poverty line is determined by a dollar mark set by the World Bank; currently the definition of poverty is $1.25 in 2005 dollars. There are many issues with this arbitrary number because it does not accurately reflect the poverty rates reported by countries' domestic institutions; using the World Bank's metric, the organization reported that the percent of people living in poverty in Sri Lanka was 4%, whereas a domestic survey reported that a whopping 35% of Sri Lankans lived in poverty. Another issue with this inaccurate number is that it can be at any point revised, just as it was in 2008. After this revision, suddenly hundreds of millions of people were now in poverty, just because some far-off organization moved the goalpost altogether. This metric hasn't been updated for over a decade, which means that at any point in the recent future, the World Bank can once again come out and change the definition of poverty altogether. This is why the whole "capitalism lifts people out of poverty" is a farce," because this statement is based on these measurements that do not accurately assess the real rates of poverty in each country.<br><a href=""https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/08/exposing-great-poverty-reductio-201481211590729809.html"">https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/08/exposing-great-poverty-reductio-201481211590729809.html</a><br><br><i>"What's your rationalization of the deliberate starvation of millions of people?"</i><br>What deliberate starvation of millions of people? Stalin and Mao didn't pay the clouds not to rain. You seem to be forgetting that before the communist parties took power in Russia and China", there were devastating famines at least once every generation in these countries. After one famine under each of these governments, there was never another food shortage or famine again (except the 1946 famine in the Soviet Union, which was directly due to World War II). These governments did something no one else in history had accomplished: complete food security for its citizens. That is a stellar feat. The bread lines of the Soviet Union during the 1990's were due to Gorbachev's *liberalization*," not the institution of a centrally planned economy. And we can just see how well the return to capitalism impacted the former Soviet Union...<br><a href=""https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Soviet_Union_GDP_per_capita.gif"">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Soviet_Union_GDP_per_capita.gif</a><br><br>"How do you equate censorship with freedom and liberty?"<br>I will refer you to these two videos:<br><a href=""https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gtUaGV6mNI"">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gtUaGV6mNI</a><br><a href=""https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okz2YMW1AwY"">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okz2YMW1AwY</a><br><br><i>"How do you justify murder of innocent people?"</i><br>Every state has killed its people in one way or another; this isn't exclusive to any ideology. It's a reality that all countries face. Slave societies did it", feudalist countries did it, capitalist countries did it, and socialist countries did it. That's the real world.,(reply>), @Marco<br>You can improve conditions for the "working class" without importing millions of foreigners and deconstructing traditional culture.