AM4 has had a great run, and AMD has gone to lengths to make cpu's work on it.  It's new socket time.,(reply>), @Drunk Husband well I couldn't afford a 8700 back in 2017, in 2019 i paid 120 bucks for a r5 1600. on black friday I got a 5800x for 340. I sold the r5 1600 for 100 bucks, meaning in the end I spent 240 bucks on upgrading to a 5800x. Not only is that cheaper than an 8700, but it outperforms it. please think before fanboying over a company that doesnt give two shits about you,(reply>), @Liam Rogers Had you bought an 8700 in 2017, you wouldn't have had to upgrade at all....you played yourself,(reply>), @Aaron Litten currently writing this comment on a 5800x on a b450, which used to hold a non AF 5 1600. so yes, you can,(reply>), @Liam Rogers no you can't? Thechipsets don't work like thay,(reply>), I'm still waiting for my A300 &amp; X300 chipset-less motherboards.