Blocking NFTs and all those millions of scams that come with it is the best decision valve made in a long time,(reply>), @Saitara  You alluded to a notion that some other form of "decentralzed computing" could provide the same service as blockchains (or DLT). I then asked for you to justify that claim... it's not moving the goal post, it's tackling the exact point you were trying to make.<br><br>So.. maybe try and address point, or else what's the point? (See what I did there?)<br><br>As for my statement about engineers, I don't have to cite anyone because it's literally the default position, blockchains exist to solve the double spending problem, their entire premise is based on the notion that this problem is solved with this tech, and could not be solved with other types of networking. The burden of proof is on someone (you) claiming that you can, in fact, provide the same service with some other type of network.<br><br>As for the Visa example, you walked right into that trap, and that sir is because with all due respect you lack knowledge on the subject. What is finality in payment processing? How long does it take for finality to be achieved on something like Polygon or Solana or Fantom or Elrond or Cosmos or ZKsync compared to Visa? The answer is less than a minute for the former and the same energy as it takes to keep your PC on vs 6 months for Visa. 6 months, where your payment is not final and can be reversed, this is a centralized database with disteibuted servers, this is not decentralization. How many humans are involved in processing requests, driving to work, physical offices, Visa business meeting flights, etc and ask yourself WHY it can be reversed and WHAT that difference really means. In a decentralized permissionless network, all of this is handled instantly and automatically without any human activity, woth uncomparable settlement times. This is todays tech, not even 10y from now tech.<br><br>Environment, the way we produce energy is what matters, not now it's used. Bitcoin is powered mostly by renewable energy, and before you ask me for a source, it's an easy google search, I shouldn't need to spoon feed you. Regardless of Bitcoin (as that's not the networka I'm most excited about) other POS and L2 networks consume the same energy as leaving a normal PC on. The cummulative power of which is less than the consumption from christmas lights. Which is more important, the future of money, or decarative lights?<br><br>You still have time to open your mind to the idea that you may be misinformed and ignorant about the technology you are trying to stand against. <br><br>I'd love for you to ACTUALLY answer which "decentralized computing" can serve/have served the same functions as blockchains (DLT) though, because you completely avoided that question,(reply>), @Mart "Alright, I'll bite. Explain to me how truly decentralized, permissionless computing and/or value attribution can be done without distributed ledger technology."<br> You guys really like to move the goal post  the moment your argument is taken at was it is. Decentralized computing existed before blockchains, even worse all the big cryptocurrency blockchains are literally unusable for even something remotely usable in this regard .<br><br><br>"Although I fully expect you will fail to rationalize this, as even the smartest teams of network and software engineers do not agree with this stance," by all means give it a shot.<br>" oh the good old there are smart people that are on my side", but I can't name anyone just trust me bro argument. <br><br>"While you're at it, have a crack at explaining how Visa or any legacy payment processor is more effecient than any blockchain"<br>thats easy, look at transfer rates of Visa and how much power they waste and look at transfer rates of popular cryptos and how much power they need.  That's literally no magic behind finding out what is less efficient, but I know you  will just deny it . Also  extensions like the Lighting network is good evidence about that.<br><br><br><br>Also I like how you circle jerk, you say people have invalid arguments, but can't even argue why they are actual invalid. especially because you know you are wrong about the environmental aspect.,(reply>), @FainTMako You really don't want to get it lol.,(reply>), @Saitara no it's apparent that you just want to argue with people bro. How would ipfs  be  append only lol? You honestly are about 5 years plus behind and refuse to adapt and it shows. You're clearly educated but also clearly on your way out of the tech industry with such short sighted takes.,(reply>), @Saitara Alright, I'll bite. Explain to me how truly decentralized, permissionless computing and/or value attribution can be done without distributed ledger technology.<br><br>Although I fully expect you will fail to rationalize this, as even the smartest teams of network and software engineers do not agree with this stance, by all means give it a shot.<br><br>While you're at it, have a crack at explaining how Visa or any legacy payment processor is more effecient than <b>any</b> blockchain