The reason Lex's interview style is so precious is because it shows us the man/woman behind the conflicting narratives. It's never as cut and dry as it would be easier to just assume. It reminds us that people who do great things are flawed, sometimes truly terrible. It reminds us that sometimes good, limited outcomes can come from awful people (this not being a comment on any of Lex's guests, I'm just reminded of a patricular artist who did terrible things but also made great art). It gives pause to reconsider things, in a way that is invaluable. The reason to why the Collins episode is so great is that it gives us a glimpse of Francis, the man.,(reply>), ✛①⑥⑥⑨ ②⑤⑧ ④③⑥③: