What a great interview, very much thank you for that and I'm really looking forward to all the interesting stuff Charles Hoskins will do with Cardano in the future. One tough question I have though for Charles: So if you dont want to fight the nature, and you see civilization  falling apart because of significant parts of humans escape to vr - why do you see it that way? I mean, wouldnt be the better question to ask: what tools can I implement in the vr that makes people still upholding the civilization with that exact tools? Or the other way around - if the vr civilization is the upcoming way civilization works - how do I integrate those non-virtual  things?