You can talk about mind/consciousness for hours, feel that it’s very important and interesting. But later understand that you’ve come to no firm conclusions and can’t remember anything concrete from the conversation.,(reply>), @Ercan Arısoy read Colin Wilson’s “the outsider”,(reply>), @Ercan Arısoy sounds just like them times I took that special k 😆,(reply>), Consciousness can be directly experienced and there is a ' ah ha' moment which talking and introspecting it with sincerity can open. It's not just words and conceptual gymnastics it's more real than anything else. The Upinshads have categorically provided comprehensive answers and methods to achieve this recognition of the substance and reality of life. The issue is it takes serious study and a open mind wherein the paradoxes and contradictions eventually break and peace remains.,(reply>), Repetition.,(reply>), With Doctor and Philosopher did I frequent,<br>    And heard great knowledge and great argument,<br>     But evermore...<br>I came out the same door as in I went.