"At <a href=""https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCdV6BMMpOo&amp;t=1h14m00s"">1:14:00</a>-<a href=""https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCdV6BMMpOo&amp;t=1h15m00s"">1:15:00</a> you can see a lot of Quine coming through. I always got the impression that Quine thought the “abstract objects” or mathematical structures were the objects themselves. He would say how we couldn’t argue TO the particles being the conclusion as the mathematical structures are still there underlying it all. <br>I haven’t given the best account of Quine but I think the conclusion nevertheless holds. <br>These Quine videos are all on YouTube. Quine with Brian Magee. I think specifically the episode where he references the “furniture of the world.”"