There is no need for emergence out of conscience. That is un-necessarily narcissistic. Different levels of conscience on the continuum of conscience, that also has an objective limit at which it starts, can both exist in the physical reality, and have valid and explainable qualia, that emerge as a result of totally explainable quantitative reality, and there is absolutely no evidence for any kind of material conscience, not in empirical inductive research, and not in any kind of deductive logical reasoning. This seems like a narcissistic erotic dream reality intellectual product sales pitch. What he is saying is what if we could have all the physics, and the conventional science, which i don't understand and add nothing to it, but it's all conscious. So basically his world view is what the science says, but everything is conscious. That is literally him wanting "everything is conscious" to be real. I mean, of course he is smart enough to know it's not real. It's intentional. It's a product. It's a sale. What would make the customer buy my idea? that reality is basically all him, but not say it directly, but in a very convoluted and indirect way, using science against itself. We agree with science 100% but we add that all that just emerges from conscience, by intentionally stretching the definition of the word conscience so that it has to include everything, so making the ego the pre-existing condition of reality. <br>This is porn for young people who have much higher rates of narcissistic behaviour, and hey it sells. <br>This is why pushback, the type Lex offers is incredibly important, reminding him of the value of humbling experiences, the healthy aspect of understanding pain or pleasure trough entangled contrast willingly, the limits of expert authority and many more. I don't think many people understand at what level Lex is playing the podcast games. The guy is a master at talking with very, very smart people, and is one of the only people who can expose these kinds of charlatans, or at least dubiously intent people.