I'm fed up of the lazy materialist view that puts the physical world as obviously the most fundamental part of reality- and ignores our deep experiences of consciousness as though they are somehow illusory. Its not 'scientific' or 'factual' to see things this way- its just an extremely impoverished way of viewing how we encounter reality and especially how meaning arises and what it means to us.,(reply>), @Christopher Hamilton My point is that this separation of 'personal experience' and 'material fact' is a very immature interpretation of reality. The deep experiences we have of meaning- are not merely 'personal experience'. There is a deep truth to them that is easily as fundamentally real- in the truest sense- as any scientific discovery