If humans “don’t have any intrinsic meaning or purpose”, as Green states, I can’t wrap my head around why, then, from that perspective, any moral atrocities would ever ACTUALLY be objectively wrong or evil. If something had no ultimate meaning or value, certainly killing it or stealing from it could not be considered morally wrong in any objective sense. But my issue has always been that I do believe in moral absolutes. I believe there is an objective difference between loving a baby and killing a baby.,(reply>), @Pavel Just curious to your point (4), on what basis to you derive your conclusion that “nobody should be able to use someone else’s body without consent”? On your view, isn’t that merely just a subjective moral claim? Couldn’t it be the case that for a rapist, his subjective moral values in which he wants to use someone else’s body without their consent equally valid and good because it has been deemed good for him by him? To me, this is where you sound like you want to purport the existence and binding nature of objective moral values and duties, but cannot describe a cause of such values and duties.,(reply>), ​@Sauron 1) "If humans don’t have any intrinsic meaning or purpose (...)" - there is no connection between purpose and morality; some basic morality is displayed by some animals, especially primates or mammals; it seems the proto-morality was acquired in the process of evolution by natural selection<br>2) "If something had no ultimate meaning or value (...)" - everything has value for someone under certain conditions; including nostalgic value; value is subjective<br>3) "(...) stealing from it could not be considered morally wrong in any objective sense." - stealing is taking someone else's property whether it has value or not<br>4) "I believe there is an objective difference between loving a baby (...)" - true, but such emotional comparison which is often a reference to some other heated topic; there are conflicting ideas, b/c nobody should be able to use someone else's body without consent<br>5) "The claim humans don’t have any intrinsic meaning or purpose (...)" - your purpose is whatever you make of your life; this doesn't mean it has no value; unless this is how you define it for yourself; check the definition of purpose,(reply>), @Pavel It isn’t a non sequitur. The claim ‘humans don’t have any intrinsic meaning or purpose’ begs the question ‘then why should any human be valued by any other human?’.,(reply>), Non sequitur. I noticed religious folk often tries to make such claim to help them hold high ground.