Your point about the need to make more scientific effort here on earth to gauge animal intelligence (animals are underrated in this respect imho) is, I believe, spot on. Another brilliant interview by someone who considers himself an idiot 🙂, yet asks progressively more and more intelligent questions as the interview moves forward. One piece of constructive criticism on my part would be that you should maybe have delved into the realistic possibility of intelligent life that is actually contactable somewhat deeper, and referenced the rare earth principle in doing so to make it less easy for the interviewee to be as optimistic as she came across on this subject, as she would have handled it formidably regardless. Love your videos, by the way, (especially your final question) and always looking forward to the new ones!,(reply>), To be able to communicate with aliens, we must first learn to communicate with animals, in particular those that appear to be able to transmit complex messages between themselves, e.g. dolphins, whales, corvids, elephants etc.