The only filters of our own stupidity and arrogance are keeping us from seeing the aliens. Or is she fighting a gag order or what? Human exceptionalism is so old economy that it makes us sound like glorified cavemen. We’re not the first, smartest, most conscious life in the universe. Finally, life is aborted but the consciousness lives on forever or at least for countless lifetimes simply because we may not get all the answers in any single one. The humble critique aside, I loved and enjoyed the conversation as always!! Thank you both for sharing!!!