I don't really understand all the fuss about Windows 11.  I mean it's no worse than Windows 10 and the UI is nicer to look at.  Windows 12 won't fix all the glaring Windows issues that have been there since Win 95 (or earlier)...,(reply>), @Watchandlearn91 That is hilarious even Microsoft don’t know what their code does anymore.<br>A real upgrade would be making a new OS core or kernel or whatever from scratch like they did when they moved to NT with something that can perhaps emulate older software, which is possible with wine in linux for exemple, but that is probably way too hard for them.,(reply>), @Daniele63 Agreed.  I liked Windows 7 and I also liked Windows XP as well.  7 was probably the best version of Windows.  <br><br>Along with preinstalling spyware like you say and collecting more user data, they never seem to have fixed any of the big underlying issues over the years which continue to bite them.  It almost seems like its codebase has gotten too big to manage or something because of they way they simply dogpile things on top. <br><br>For example, there are essentially 3 different system consoles you can use.  There is the old command prompt (cmd), powershell 5, and powershell 7+.  The former two come pre-installed and the latter is suggested to you every time you open powershell 5. Why?  No other operating system does this.  I've heard that it is because the people who originally wrote cmd are not around anymore and no one knows exactly what some pieces of it do and so people literally aren't allowed to touch that code anymore and so it just lingers around.  I am wondering if the rest of the system has areas like this that prevent progress.,(reply>), @Watchandlearn91 Yes new windows versions are basically re-skins nowadays it seems. <br><br>Also adding more spyware and other crap like Tiktok pre-installed...<br><br>Windows 7 was the best version in my opinion, simple, almost no telemetry and not a crap ton of pre-installed irrelevant software. XP probably even better but i was young when it was around so i can't say.<br><br>It went all went downhill when they released Windows 8 with "Metro UI", that's when Microsoft lost their mind i believe.,(reply>), @Daniele63 The start menu is much worse but I like everything else about it better.  Still, it is lipstick on a pig - Windows 11 is still the same POS under the covers.,(reply>), @Lint Studios Good for you.<br>Main thing i don't like is that you can't remove "recommended" apps from the start menu and when you do it's just empty space, and that it can't be resized etc.