Great guest and interview. It all comes down to what he said …“Computers … a magical extension of your mind”Computer-Magical-Extension-Mind. If the Universe is a computer it must already have been and IS … a living conscious computer How do we know ? … WE ARE HERE … That is all the proof one needs. <br><br>I love science. However, science can’t even see this fact, or ask questions from that obvious and true perspective. <br><br>This tells one all one needs to know about why physics is at a particle chasing road block and biology and computer science aren’t. <br><br>Science’s biggest blind spot/assumption, is  - “energy is dead and unconscious” <br><br>For this to be true, there would have to be a lab somewhere with a sample of dead energy 🧪<br><br>Ask yourself …. what would that even mean in the context of … Energy IS The Universe. IS all that is was and will be … and that’s not even a theory … it is literally what Universe MEANS. <br><br>How can we have the quality of life and consciousness … and yet these qualities are not seen as qualities of the one entangled holographic field as a whole. <br><br>That is the madness of materialism. Science wedded to the belief system of militant materialism. <br><br>Proof ? Science cannot frame big bang plasma energy as being alive and conscious … even in potential. Yet … not to see this is to deny cause and effect , systems theory, holism the fact that the Universe and our bodies (nested cellular community) are nested holons all the way up and all the way down. <br><br>The holon above is an environment for the holon below. Yes …. science doesn’t even go there. Children leave school indoctrinated into atomism and materialism. <br><br>Proof? Throughout my whole school science education not one teacher mentioned the mysteries and the unanswered questions itemised above in the way I have framed them. I had to discover the living conscious non billiard ball universe through my own investigations. <br><br>No wonder kids don’t go into science. They don’t want to spend time with people so convinced that we live in a dead meaningless unconscious Universe.