"how could it be that a thoughtless, passionless, emotionless particle when grouped together with compatriots can yield something so foreign to the nature of the ingredients themselves" the reason for this is that the universe is not some dumb, mechanical system. The very fabric of reality itself is intelligent, it's Conciousness itself. Conciousness does not arise from matter, matter arises from Conciousness. Modern science has it backwards.,(reply>), @Zalex <br><br>"my point is things can be true and not provable."<br><br>Indeed! And my point is we shouldn't make DEFINITIVE statements like the other commenter did, when we don't... or can't, know if reality/nature truly works that way.,(reply>), @Ramrod <br><br>"give it like 100 years or so. There will be a paradigm shift. "<br><br>Prove it! Provide evidence! Or stop making definitive statements without evidence. <br><br>Consciousness is a difficult problem, you can't predict, I can't predict, no one can predict at this point in time. We don't have enough knowledge. Making definitive statements as if you have all the answers when the scientific community, the experts, can't is arrogant and misguided.,(reply>), @Martin W give it like 100 years or so. There will be a paradigm shift. Materialism is simply an outdated worldview, it's not the full and true picture. Science is constantly evolving, this will be one more step in it's evolution.,(reply>), @Martin W my point is things can be true and not provable. but if you want "proof" (5 sigma) of nonlocal consciousness, look into Dean Radin's work.,(reply>), @Zalex <br><br>"Prove you love your family"<br><br>I don't have to prove anything because I've made no claims.<br><br>He who makes <b>definitive</b> claims must provide evidence for those claims. If he/she can't its just an opinion that's not based on evidence.<br><br>If you want an <b>opinion</b> from me, not definitive, then it's that some people aren't aware of just how incredible the human brain is. 100 billion neurons that can connect in an unfathomable number of patterns, the most complex arrangement of matter we know of. Could even make use of quantum effects. Once that fact is grasped, it becomes more than feasible for the brain to generate what we refer to as consciousness. <br><br>No need for magical, invented, zero evidence "consciousness fields" that magically came before matter. <br><br>We don't yet fully understand consciousness. So no definitive claims are appropriate but what we can say is that the incredible complexity of the brain plus perhaps quantum effects could feasibly be all that's required. <br><br>Science is evidence based. We need evidence before stating anything as fact. Some in this conversation haven't grasped that.