thank you, awesome discussion<br>where can I claim the prize for free will?<br>the brain decides with recursion and even the most simple functions with a recursion generate a julia set (kind of mandelbrot set).<br>So there is determinism, but the entry values to the function have to be so precise there is no way to short cut other than doing the real thing.,(reply>), but the subconscious acts before the conscious, it is proven by neurologists that your brain activates before you even start to think consciously about something. so that's just another point in favour of free will not existing...