One of the most insightful and interesting podcast episodes I've  had the pleasure to listen to. Actually took me 6ish hours in total as I kept pausing to take notes.  Lex is a legend  and Jamie's diplomatic views on every person involved, his clear narrative when telling this story to the listeners and both Lex's and Jamie's humbleness and positivity for the world we live in and our future was a breath of fresh air.