I'm listening to this in segments and commenting accordingly. Up to this point (discussion of Fauci and Collins's email), in my view under no circumstances is the tone and sentiment expressed in the email explainable other than to say it is malevolent .. it is a vicious intent to shut down scientific discussion. While Collins may have been a man of good intent and professional integrity throughout his career, he has obviously become prey for the political and economic forces that dominate in scientific agencies of our government. As Lex points out, you might be able to understand what motivated the email initially, but my view is that nothing other than immoral corruption can explain doubling down on it over a year later. Even if you accept that it was initial fear that gave rise to the email, that mind set of anxiety and concern is completely inconsistent with the highly calculated aggressive tone ..what was revealed in this email can only be described as an evil intent.