Briane greene is so good at explaining things thoroughly i actually understand 95% of what he is talking about,(reply>), @keith jones "I don't follow that logic." Too bad I can't write in baby talk to see if you could even follow that. <br><br>Please forgive me for LOL when you have space, matter, and time already there and somehow it started creation from that point on. You clueless people are hilarious.,(reply>), @2fast2block I don't entirely understand what you are trying to say now or even earlier. I think you are saying that energy can't be created or destroyed and yet the universe is winding down, so thus a supernatural force must somehow be at play? I mean? I don't follow that logic. And if you mean entropy? Or the fact that if space is expanding, the forces would be diluted as expansion occurs? Or referencing virtual particles going in and out of existence and canceling eachother, but not close to a black hole? Where one is sucked in and the other isn't? So they don't cancel, then energy is created from "nothing"? Like hawking radiation? I don't know what you mean.,(reply>), @keith jones I need to inform clueless you, you never got around the science I gave. Yes, you're that bad.,(reply>), Science would embrace a supernatural creator if it/he/she came to earth and introduced itself as the creator (first cause) with some evidence and explanation. Not hide and play games such as "I made you to be curious intelligent beings, then ran and hid somewhere. Now, the game is either believe in me with no evidence besides someone said that someone said they saw me and don't even question that OR use the curiosity and intelligence I gave you to build a system of evidence based reasoning to find answers to the question of your existence. The stakes are eternal bliss in paradise for not using logic and just having blind faith OR eternal pain and damnation for asking questions and exploring the paths that those answers lead to." And....GO!,(reply>), He doesn't know what he's talking about.<br><br>The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LoT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.