Rees is a great example of why matured elders will always be the default to finding wisdom and sanity in progress. Lex has a great optimism which is normal for being under 40, but once you cross 40 and have some experience with all the generations of life, you realize that science fiction really is fantasy for the most part, it’s just that it’s the fantasies of nerdy boys, but it’s fantasy all the same. No one wants to be cared for by a robot in old age. Before returning to grad school, I worked in hospice and took care of elderly people in institutions. It’s a crime we put them in these homes as if they were a burden on “economy” and progress. Old age exists precisely because we are supposed to develop our consciousness further (beyond the maturation it goes through when you become a parent) by taking care of our mothers and fathers, uncles and aunts. It’s not dirty work. It’s profound and humbling and it’s where we find our deepest wisdom, which the tech utopians most often lack because they’re stuck in their childish fantasies. More elders as guests on the show would be a great balance to the youth Lex is still experiencing. People like Rees have the vital ability to speak sensibly about the future of the human race without the tech sensationalism that often blinds the Musk fanboys (me being one of them). Well done on getting this diamond soul to speak on the podcast!