re lds gordon s objections in article c rp k kw acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes gordon banks quoted and added gb in article c l s d acsu buffalo edu gb psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes gb gb the mormon jesus is the spirit brother of lucifer that jesus is god gb the father s first born spirit child that jesus was begotten on earth gb through natural means not by the holy ghost that he sweat his blood gb for our sins in the garden of gethsemane that his blood cannot gb cleanse from all sin that he is now among many millions of other gb gods that jesus is jehovah and the father is elohim in the ot gb jehovah and elohim are the same that he needed to be saved gb it is true that mormons believe that all spirits including jesus lucifer robert weiss are in the same family it does not mean that jesus was created but rather that lucifer and robert weiss were not i agree that this is a heresy so what the sweating of blood in gethsemene is not a basic mormon doctrine jesus did not perform the atonement in getheseme alone as some anti mormons are trying to teach as far as the unpardonable sin whatever that is it is biblical and not specifically mormon it is also called the sin against the holy ghost most bible scholars other than conservative ones do not believe jehovah and elohim were always the same i m sure you ve heard of the j and the e texts i don t know what you mean by that he needed to be saved jesus jehovah elohim in mormon doctrine jesus was sinless and thus did not need to be saved gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
