re killer in article apr doug cae wisc edu yamen cae wisc edu soner yamen responded to article r kr m q nic umass edu burak ucsvax ucs umass edu afs who wrote afs just a quick comment afs afs armenians killed turks turks killed armenians afs afs simple as that can anybody deny these facts jews killed germans in wwii germans killed jews in wwii but there was quite a difference in these two statements regardless of what nazi revisionists say sy my grand parents were living partly in todays armenia and partly in sy todays georgia there were villages kurd turk different turkic groups sy georgian muslim christian armenian and farsi very near to eachother sy the people living there were aware of their differences they were sy different people for example my grandfather would not have been happy sy if his doughter had willed to marry an armenian guy but that did not sy mean that they were willing to kill eachother no they were neighbors ok sy armenians killed turks which armenians their neoghbors as far as my sy grandparents are concerned the armenians attacked first but these sy armenians were not their neighbors they came from other places maybe sy first they had a training at some place they were taught to kill people sy to hate turks kurds it seems so there is certainly a difference between the planned extermination of the armenians of eastern turkey beginning in with that of the armeno georgian conflicts of late the argument is not whether armenians ever killed in their collective existence but rather the wholesale destruction of anatolian armenians under orders of the turkish government an armenian georgian dispute over the disposition of akhalkalak lori and pambak after the turkish third army evacuated the region cannot be equated with the extermination of anatolian armenians many armenians and georgians died in this area in the scramble to re occupy these lands and the lack of preparation for the winter months this is not the same as the turkish genocide of the armenians nearly four years earlier hundreds of kilometers away sy anyway but after they killed raped turks and other muslim people sy around people assumed that armenians killed us raped our women sy not a particular group of people trained in some camps maybe backed sy by some powerful states after that step you cannot explain these sy people not to hate all armenians i don t follow perhaps the next paragraph will shed some light sy so what am i trying to point out first at least for that region sy you cannot blame turks kurds etc since it was a self defense situation sy most of the armenians i think are not to blame either but since some sy people started that fire it is not easy to undo it there are facts sy people cannot trust eachother easily it is very difficult to establish sy a good relation based on mutual respect and trust between nations with sy different ethnic cultural religious backgrounds but it is unfortunately sy very easy to start a fire again the fighting between armenians and georgians in had little to do with the destruction of the armenians in turkey it is interesting that the georgian leaders of the transcaucasian federation armenia azerbaijan and georgia made special deals with turkish generals not to pass through tiflis on their way to baku in return for georgians not helping the armenians militarily of course as turkish troops marched across what was left of caucasian armenia many armenians went north and such population movement caused problems with the locals this is in no comparison with events years earlier in eastern anatolia my father s mother s family escaped cemiskezek erzinka erzerum nakhitchevan tiflis constantinople massachusetts sy my grandparents were not bloodthirsty people we did not experience sy what they had to endure they had to leave their lands there were sy ladies old ladies all of her children killed while she forced to sy witness young women put dirt at their face to make themselves sy unattractive i don t want to go into any graphic detail my grandmother s brother was forced to dress up as a kurdish women and paste potato skins on his face to look ugly the turks would kill any armenian young man on sight in dersim because their family was rather influential local kurds helped them escape before it was too late this is why i am alive today sy you may think that my sources are biased they were biased in some sense sy they experienced their own pain of course that is the way it is but sy as i said they were living in peace with their neighbors before why sy should they become enemies david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org how do we explain turkish troops on s d p a center for regional studies the armenian border when we can t p o box even explain cambridge ma turkish mp march
