re accepting jeesus in your heart dan johnson asked for evidence that the most effective abuse recovery programs involve meeting people s spiritual needs i responded in step programs like alcoholics anonymous one of the steps involves acknowleding a higher power aa and other step abuse recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective dan johnson clarified what i was asking is this please show me that the most effective substance absure recovery programs involve meetinsg peoples spiritual needs rather than merely attempting to fill peoples spiritual needs as percieved by the people a a s r c regulars or snoopy you are asking me to provide objective proof for the existence of god i never claimed to be able to do this in fact i do not believe that it is possible to do so i consider the existence of god to be a premise or assumption that underlies my philosophy of life it comes down to a matter of faith if i weren t a christian i would be an agnostic but i have sufficient subjective evidence to justify and sustain my relationship with god again this is a matter of premises and assumptions i assume that there is more to life the universe and everything than materialism ie that spirituality exists this assumption answers the question about why i have apparent spiritual needs i find this assumption consistent with my subsequent observat ions i then find that god fills these spiritual needs but i cannot objectively prove the difference between apparent filling of imagined spiritual needs and real filling of real spiritual needs nor can i prove to another person that they have spiritual needs seanna watson bell northern research pray that at the end of living seanna bnr ca ottawa ontario canada of philosophies and creeds god will find his people busy opinion what opinions oh these opinions planting trees and sowing seeds no they re not bnr s they re mine i knew i d left them somewhere fred kaan
