scientific yawn gordon rubenfeld responds to ron roth gr ron roth rose com ron roth wrote gr gr rr well gordon i look at the results not at anyone s scientific gr rr stamp of approval gr gr if you and your patients followers are convinced as you ve written gr by your methods of uncontrolled undocumented unreported unsubstantiated gr subjective endpoint research great but why should the rest of us care gordon even if you are trying to beat this issue to death you ll never get more than a stalemate out of this one i have never tried to force my type of medicine on any of you why should i my patients are happy i m happy you and your peers seem to be the only miserable ones around bemoaning the steady loss of patients to the alternative camp just look at europe there has been a steady exodus from synthetic medicine for over a decade now and it ll be just a matter of time before more people on this continent will abandon their drug and white coat worship as well and visit different doctors for different needs gr you see ron the point isn t whether you and your patients are gr convinced that whatever it is you do works it s whether what you do is gr more effective in similar cases of whatever it is you think you are gr treating than cupping bloodletting and placebo this is very interesting i have come exactly to the same conclusions but in regards to conventional medicine you see i don t just treat little old ladies that wouldn t know any different of what is being done but a bulk of my patients consist of teachers lawyers judges nurses accountants university graduates and various health practitioners if these people have gotten results with my method after having been unsuccessful with yours or their own i certainly wouldn t lose any sleep over whether you or your peers approve of my treatments let s face it with all the blunders committed by scientific mds over the years i know a lot of people who hold your scientific method in much lower esteem than they hold mine gr as far as we know ayurveda crystals homeopathy ron roth gr which may all equal placebo administered with appropriate gr trappings sorry but i m not familiar or interested with what appears to be new age medicine ayurveda crystals with the exception of homeo pathy of which i took a course but gordon you already knew that you just wanted to make my system look a bit more far out right i use homeopathy very little since my cellular test emr is hard to beat for accuracy and minerals are more predictable while homeopathy does have a problem with reliability especially in acute conditions an exception perhaps are homeopathic nosodes which act fairly quickly and are more dependable in certain viral or bacterial situations gr my colleagues and i spend hours debating study design gr and results even of therapies currently accepted as standard gr as good well adequate scientists we are prepared if gr presented with appropriate data to abandon our most deeply held gr beliefs in favor of new ideas i have met the challenges of hundreds of sceptics by verifying the accuracy of measuring their mineral status to their total satisfac tion in other words everyone involved is happy if you were to cook a meal would you worry over whether everyone in this world would find it to their liking or only those that end up eating it since i have financed every research project that i have undertaken entirely myself i don t need to follow any of your rules or guide lines to satisfy any aspects of a grant application which you may have to neither am i concerned of whether or not my study designs meet your or anyone else s criteria or acceptance gr sorry ron if conviction were the ruler of truth a flat earth would gr still be the center of the universe and epilepsy a curse of the gods i think there would be more justification for an uneducated person growing up in an uncivilized environment to believe in a flat earth than for a civilized well educated and scientifically trained mind to follow the doctrine of evolution genetic engineering of course is now the final frontier to show god how it is properly done now we ve become capable of creating our own paradise and give disease and god the boot right but just before we get rid of him for good perhaps he could leave us some pointers on how to solve a couple of tiny problems such as war poverty racism crime riots substance abuse and one last thing could he also give us a hint on how to control natural disasters the weather and last but not least peace ron rosereader p the lab called your brain is ready rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
