re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes overall crime rate it fell just like that two questions when was this and do you have the relevant numbers please note this is not in any way an indication i don t believe you or that you re not correct but when the drop occured is relevant acquiring weapons in norway you can buy almost all kinds of weapons in norway but you must have a permit and a good reason to get the permit if i would like to have a handgun i would have to get an gun licence from the police and to be a member of a gun club the primary objection beyond ones based on the ideal of rkba that it is simply not something the government should do is that it makes guns a play thing and tool of the rich and connected it discriminates against the poor is self defense considered appropriate and if so under what conditions are you allowed for instance to get a gun for protection if you re going to be carrying a very large sum of money on a regular basis or have been threatened the police would check my criminal records for any serious crimes and or records of serious mental diseases this has been suggested in the u s and generally supported among gun owners what many object to is that many if not most proposals contain a sort of gotcha clause which allows an arbitrary denial even if you qualify in every way now if a got my licence i would have to be an active member of the gun club for months before i could collect my gun it s a little like getting a drivers licence isn t it you have to prove that you can drive before you are allowed to at this point it should be pointed out that in general a driver s licence in the u s is for the most part nothing like its european counterpart i understand getting one is far more difficult there than here in the u s it s a joke but my usual objection is that you re discussing two different things for instance in the u s a driver s license is a permit to operate a motor vehicle on a public road it is not necessary to own one or to operate it on private property that is the ability to require driving permits is generally considered to arise from the government s legitimate power to enact reasonable regulations for behavior on public lands a permit to own an automobile for instance which is far closer an analogy would be a much harder thing to get past legally since it wouldn t be based on making regulations on public property but in restricting activity on private property use of guns in crimes in norway some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners arms for a long time but these are rather the exeption most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes and mostly short time befor the crime use of knives it is allowed to cary knifes in public but not in your belt or open you americans think it s ok to have a gun but not to carry it open in public rigth this varies widely one thing i think europeans have a difficult time with is that the u s has fifty unique jurisdictions where the laws from one state to another can be as radically different as from one country in europe to another some places allow open carry of both guns and knives some allow concealed some prohibit both or allow one or the other and it can be either a state or local restriciton individual vs masses yes the individual is more important than the masses but only to some extent your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses what happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of all the others the question must be asked is the right of this individual affecting the rights of this other individual what we usually get is that the rights of this group meaning some individuals within this group here defined as people who own guns are adversely affecting the rights of some other group if for instance bob were using his gun to attack steve you d have a point but essentially what we re discussing is that becuase some person who qualifies as a member of the group people who own guns then some third person perhaps in another time zone is told that their being a member of that group is taking away somebody else s rights it s like trying to punish all newspapers for the libel commited by one the issue i believe the issue is guns and gun legislation the issue is crime violence and murder the question is to what extent guns and gun legislation impact those we shouldn t mix weapons and items that can serve as one if i lived in amerika i would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in home but should it have to be like that of course not it would be nice if we didn t have to fear that other people might get it into their twisted little minds to hurt us but currently we don t have that option nor do i expect we will do you think it s wise to sell guns like candy some states do no state does in any case there s a limit to which the state may enforce it s wisdom on me freedom in general is an unwise concept if you pre emptively restrict everything which might be unwise then freedom becomes a meaningless concept if you believe it s smart neccacery to have drivers licence why do you think it should be free to buy guns i ll raise my hand against driver s licenses as currently implemented they re a waste of time and little more than revanue generation for the state and ignored by a startling number of drivers it does not guarantee a level of skill any higher than is necessary to get your car on the road and get yourself or somebody else killed or a knowledge of traffic laws beyond what any ten year old will have picked up riding around in his parents car but as i mentioned they re two different things david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa utkvm utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft i m beginning to think you don t love me anymore weird al
