re israel s expansion ii ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i m not ignorant of the holocaust and know more about nazi germany than most people maybe including you you really belong to the of ignorants in usa who don t know what the holocaust shoa should be the real word was first you write in message id apr virginia edu date sat apr gmt i think the israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events i doubt the propaganda machine of goering and later as somebody informed you about your gross mistake you write in message id apr virginia edu date sun apr gmt first let me correct myself in that it was goerbels and not goering airforce who ran the nazi propaganda machine instead of joseph goebbels and you dare to say that you know more about nazi germany than most people maybe including us i m sure you learned the history of nazi germany and austria from your family what i resent is ignorant statements that call people names when they disagree with your position opposing the atrocities commited by the israeli governement hardly qualifies as anti semitism if you think name calling is a valid form of argument in intellectual circles you need to get out more often trying to make comparisons between israels politics and nazi german austrian politics shows only your degree of ignorance high intellect low humanity none and antisemitism average i respect anybody who dissagrees with me as long as he respects me and discusses in a civilized manner i would never say that anybody that critizises israel and or its politics is an antisemite except he uses antisemitic vocabulary terminology demagogy israel is not a perfect country and its politicians also commits errors even some of them are corrupt like politicians in any other country but they carry a huge burden to care for the safety of all its citizens and that is really not an easy task in a country that is surrounded by enemies who only expect that israel commits the one big error and wipe the country and its jewish citizens plus the so called collaborators arabs that wanted to live in peace with their jewish neighbours of the map as i said israel is not a perfect country but it is the only democracy in the whole middle east and the only country in the world where jews from everywhere can have a refuge in case of persecutions in the countries they are living our long history has taught us that we cannot rely on non jewish nations and its governments as soon as there are more or les big social economical political problems in any country the first ones that pay for the broken glasses are the jews and later the other minorities of the country i don t think the suffering of some jews during wwii justifies the crimes commited by the israeli government any attempt to call civil liberterians like myself anti semetic is not appreciated this is really outrageous murdered jews besides the thousands who survived the shoa in some way or another and the rest of the living ones mourning for all of them i don t know what you call a civil libertarian never heard about them but i know only one thing if all of them think like you do it then civil libertarians is a new denomination for antisemites may other civil libertarians come to word to this group so that we can learn if a beyer and me are right that civil libertarians are antisemites or that i m wrong and he is missusing that word btw i couldn t care less for what andi beyer appreciates manfredo tichauer m email tichauer valpso hanse de opitzstrasse voice hamburg germany fax
