re a message for you mr president how do you know what happened i told some friends of mine two weeks ago that koresh was dead the fbi and the batf could not let a man like that live he was a testimonial to their stupidity and lies now before everyone gets crazy with me let me say that koresh was crazy as a bed bug but out government was crazier and they lied to us they told us compound had been under survaillance for quite some time yet whoever was watching the place failed to see that koresh went jogging and into town on a regular basis everyone in the area claimed to have seen him and wondered why they didn t pick him up then there are two possible answers first they didn t see him what kind of survaillance is that second they didn t care they wanted a confrontation they wanted publicity and they got it after the first battle they told us that they did not know he knew they were coming they also said it would have been foolish to go in knowing that well we know now that they intercepted the informants call and went in anyway did they explore all of the possibilities for ending the seige according to them they did but according to the hartford courant the woman that raised koresh his grandmother was not allowed to go in and see him the fbi agent who she spoke with was bob ricks and according to the paper he said a lot of people think if you just talk to them logically they will come out his grandmother raised vernon howell koresh s real name she didn t raise david koresh someone who raises you and loves you does not speak to you strickly on a logical level there is also an emotional level on which they can reach you here s another one all during this operation the fbi has been claiming that they feared a mass suicide and that is one of the reasons that something must be done now they claim they never thought he would do it i knew they were going to do something when they started talking about how much money this was costing that was the start of the justification part part of the plan that s when i knew it would come soon but back to the plan it is considered cruel and unusal punishment to execute criminals in the minds of many people but look at what s acceptable they knew the parents adults had gas masks they did not know or were not sure if the children had them so the plan was to pour the gas into the compound the mothers seeing what the gas was doing to their children were supposed to run out and that would only leave the men to deal with i spent two years in the army and like everyother veteran i went through cbr chemical biological radiological warfare training part of that training is going into a room filled with the same stuff that the children were subjected to to make the stuff really interesting the gas also has a chemical agent that irritates the skin you think its on fire i have no doubts the children would become hysterical its not the kind of thing you never want to do again this was the plan the final solution we waited days for our hostages to come home from iran we gave these people days i stated on several occasions that there was absolutely nothing in this whole thing that the government could point to as a success well fbi agent ricks changed my mind again a newclip from the hartford courant and while expressing regret at the loss of life he suggested that the operation had been at least a modified success because not a single federal shot had been fired and not a single federal agent had been hurt it took dead children to get us that new definition of success one more thought the government claimed that they believed he had automatic weapons on the premises he had a license for the caliber machine gun they knew damn well he had one they also knew he had it legally still without the element of surprise they sent in agents to get him for all of this my president takes full responsibility what a guy i hope he gets it in article exuptr exu ericsson se exuptr exu ericsson se patrick taylor the sounding board writes in article prijat cs uofs edu bill triangle cs uofs edu bill gunshannon writes before you go absolving the batf fbi of all blame in this incident you should probably be aware of two important facts there is no such thing as non toxic tear gas tear gas is non breathable remaining in it s presence will cause nausea and vomiting followed eventually by siezures and death did the fbi know the physical health of all the people they exposed any potential heart problems among the b d s no doubt it is dangerous stuff when concentrated have you ever seen a tear gas canister tear gas is produced by burning a chemical in the can the fumes produced are tear gas the canister has a warning printed on the side of it contact with flamable material can result in fire now how many of these canisters did they throw inside a building they admited was a fire trap none they used non incindiary methods which means they produced the gas outside the building and pumped it in via the tanks 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