re secret algorithm re clipper chip and crypto key escrow begin pgp signed message in message aa pizzabox demon co uk you write the cops feds do not need to be able to get hold of your private key to listen in to cellular conversations encryption is not end to end but cellphone to base station that was true for the uk paul but i m fairly sure they re talking about building end to end encryption phones out of this chip it s not for cellular though it certainly could be used there in the way you suggest i d lost the white house s deathless prose when i posted that s what happens when you read news at home when you re rat arsed but i did have a bunch of follow ups going on about cellular cordless comms the original article has reappeared so the president today announced a new initiative that will bring the federal government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement hmm telephone communications could indeed include end to end encryption on ordinary landlines the initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links but the next paragraph says telecoms networks and wireless communications links ok it s far from clear exactly what cripple what an apposite anagram will be applied to but the reason joe public wants secure comms is to stop people listening in to his cellular or cordless phones and he wouldn t even be bothered about that were it not for wingnut and squidqy s misfortunes yes cripple might be for end to end encyption dropping to clear when the other end doesn t have cripple but then a cordless to ordinary conversation would be in clear leaving the cordless end just as vulnerable as at present nope i suspect that cripple will only be used on radio links ok it s possible telecommunications networks could mean ordinary phone lines but i m betting it means the microwave links used by the telcos my apologies if i m wrong particularly if the turgid press release makes it clear that i m wrong and i missed it but as far as i can see it was full of obfuscation and anyone expecting end to end encryption is in for a surprise imho btw graham i ve posted questions to alt security pgp and not seen any replies followups from outside europe how about you have i made it into everyone s kill file or is there some problem paul
