re after years can we say that christian m in qksc mr fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com writes in article qkoel fr horus ap mchp sni de frank d s uucp frank o dwyer writes good question my point was that a world with truth is better than a world with falsehood a world in which it were possible to say yes i am holding a jew the truth and you me the jew and the ss guy all sit down to crack open a bottle of whiskey is better than the grim alternatives you present obviously this is not possible and the best alternative seems to be to lie that s because other values are involved such as life now that is just my opinion don t confuse the claim objective morality exists with the claim i have a lock on morals i think that at this point it would actually be quite easy to confuse objective morality with relative morality jon actually jon that is quite true christian people have caused objective morality to look very relative after all that was the point of the original question in this thread i e can we toss out christianity because it is so obviously inconsistent with its own principles if you will bear with me i will attempt to explain this apparent inconsistency from at least one christian s viewpoint if god exists and is the creator of mankind as the bible claims then he has a pretty well defined concept of what makes people tick physically emotionally etc god has an objective morality for us that is to say he has no trouble understanding what is good for or detrimental to the creature he created galatians for we mankind are his workmanship created in christ jesus for good works a morality which god prepared beforehand a well defined design that we might walk in them however contrary to what many people assume including the pharasees of the bible god s morality cannot be completely codified in a list of rules and regulations to some extent every activity of a person s life creates a new situation to which morality must be applied there never could be enough volumes to codify god s objective morality for us throughout history mankind has tried to reduce morality to a list of rules objectivity if you please in the old testament we have both principles and specific rules by the time of jesus most of the principles were obscured by the emphasis men had placed on the rules volumes of additional rules had been made to try to codify the application of the principles we mankind weren t comfortable with the subjectivity of principles for reference see matthew where jesus explains the difference between the law and the principles of the law for example in verses you have heard that the ancients were told you shall not commit murder and whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court but i say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to the court the objective morality of god gets blurred by our inept interpretation of it we christians have made our biggest errors when we have allowed any one person or group of people decide exactly what god intended for us if we christians would stay committed to seeking god s will instead of trying to prove we already had it all figured out we might do a better job of allowing others to find god s objective morality for themselves if jesus is who he said he was is and that s the fundamental question then he is objective morality john nunnally
