re was go hezbollah in article apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem writes in article bcf a news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock writes assuming also come on brad if we are going to get anywhere in this or any discussion it doesn t help to bring up elements i never addressed nor commented on in any way i made no comment on who is right or who is wrong only that civilians are being used as cover and that having been placed in between the israelis and the guerillas they will be injured as both parties continue their fight pardon me tim but i do not see how it can be possible for the idf to fail to detect the presence of those responsible for planting the bomb which killed the three idf troops and then later know the exact number and whereabouts of all of them several villages were shelled how could the idf possibly have known that there were guerrillas in each of the targetted villages you see it was an arbitrary act of retaliation i will again repeat my statement i do not condone these indiscriminate israeli acts nor have i ever if the villagers do not know who these guerillas are which you stated earlier how do you expect the israelis to know it is very difficult to identify who they are this is why the guerillas prefer to lose themselves in the general population by dressing the same acting the same etc the host arab state did little nothing to try and stop these attacks from its side of the border with israel the problem tim is that the original reason for the invasion was palestinian attacks on israel not lebanese attacks i agree but because lebanon was either unwilling or unable to stop these attacks from its territory should israel simply sit quietly and accept its situation israel asked the lebanese government over and over to control this third party state within lebanese territory and the attacks kept occuring at what point does israel or any state have the right to do something itself to stop such attacks never while the major armaments those allowing people to wage civil wars have been removed the weapons needed to cross border attacks still remain to some extent rocket attacks still continue and commando raids only require a few easily concealed weapons and a refined disregard for human life yours of that of others such attacks also continue yes i am afraid that what you say is true but that still does not justify occupying your neighbor s land israel must resolve its disputes with the native palestinians if it wants peace from such attacks it is also the responsibility of any state to not allow any outside party to use its territory for attacks on a neighboring state if angola had the power and south africa refused or couldn t stop anti angolan guerillas based on sa soil from attacking angola and south africa refused to have un troops stationed on its territory between it and angola would angola be justified in entering sa if not are you saying that angola had to accept the situation do nothing and absorb the attacks bat guano the situation you call for existed in the s and attacks were commonplace not true lebanese were not attacking israel in the s with a strong lebanese government free from syrian and israeli interference i believe that the border could be adequately patrolled the palestinian heavy weapons have been siezed in past years and i do not see as significant a threat as once existed i refered above at all times to the palestinian attacks on israel from lebanese soil not to lebanese attacks on israel one hopes that a lebanese government will be strong enough to patrol its border but there is no reason to believe it will be any stronger what has changed is that the plo was largely driven out of lebanon not by the lebanese not by syria and that is by far the most important making it easier to control future palestinian attacks from lebanese soil that change was brought about by israeli action the plo would never have been ejected by lebanese arab state or un actions please tim don t fall into the trap of treating lebanese and palestinians as all part of the same group there are too many who think all arabs or all muslims are the same too many times i have seen people support the bombing of palestinian camps in retaliation for an idf death at the hands of the lebanese resistance or the shelling of lebanese villages in retaliation for a palestinian attack i fully recognize that the lebanese do not want to be used by either side and have been and continue to be but the most fundamental issue is that if a state cannot control its borders and make real efforts to do so it should expect others to do it for them hopefully that other will be the un but it is as we see in its cowardice regarding bosnia weak tim
