re gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian in article apr ccsvax sfasu edu f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu writes in article kckluge apr krusty eecs umich edu kckluge eecs umich edu karl kluge writes and i m sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and moaned about the emergence of the modern nation state imagine the king allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year times change technology changes viable forms of social organization change while concerns about preserving western notions of civil liberties in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one it s a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide it s much smarter to focus on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are your response is yet another sign of the trend towards one world government many people such as yourself who are otherwise probably likeable and intelligent show every sign of having been successfully brainwashed you don t recognize that your inevitable tide is rolling into chaos and in no way represents an advance for civilization some of us do indeed lament the passing of old forms such as the bill of rights which are indeed inalienable rights of man that cannot be changed transferred or surrendered rights of man that far transcend yes napoleon wanted a grand new order hitler wanted a thousand year reich lenin knew that bolshevism would give us the universal new man the new world order is just so much of the same old tired garbage the pathetic part is that so many americans seem put not your trust in princes is the biblical proverb the modern analog is governments at the time of the founding of the us the idea that citizens had rights above those of the government was not that common but was explicit in the writings of the founders to a considerable extent englishmen also had those rights yes times change and technology changes the possibility of a few governments enserfing all of mankind was not possible until quite recently in the feudal system the lord was almost as restricted as the serfs so having the people enserf themselves does not make anything better most feudal lords and even most slaveowners did not mistreat those under them freedom of speech and freedom of religion are under real attack now herman rubin dept of statistics purdue univ west lafayette in phone hrubin snap stat purdue edu internet bitnet purdue pur ee snap stat hrubin uucp
