re plus minus stat in article qmtd innr l iskut ucs ubc ca gibson nukta geop ubc ca brad gibson writes in article apr sol uvic ca gballent hudson uvic ca writes in article blue cis pitt edu jrmst pitt edu joseph r mcdonald writes jagr has a higher but francis has had more points and take it from an informed observer ronnie francis has had a much better season than jaromir jagr this is not to take anything away from jaro who had a decent year although it didn t live up to the expectations of some bowman tended to overplay francis at times because he is a bowman style player he plays hard at all times doesn t disregard his defensive responsibilities and is a good leader bowman rewarded him be increasing his ice time jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a me first attitude this rubbed bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time throughout the year francis consistently recieved more ice time than jagr althouhg i have never seen stats on this subject i am pretty sure that jagr had more points per minute played that francis when you add to that jagr s better rating i think it becomes evident that jagr had a better season not that francis had a bad one actually what i think has become more evident is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost jagr did not have a better season than francis to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of hockey knowledge save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus minus it is the most misleading hockey stat available until the nhl publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its quality i e is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game is he matched up against the other team s top one or two lines short handed etc i would much rather see the disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications thank you for posting this as the person who first brought up the fact that jagr has a much higher than francis i can assure you that i brought it up as an example of the absurdity of comparisons even on the same team i never ever thought that anyone would argue that jagr s higher actually reflected better two way play in my opinion francis s low is purely a result of him being asked to play against opponents top scorers at all times the fact that he can chip in points while neutralizing the other team s top center is a testament to how valuable he is even if his suffers on the other hand jagr for how big fast and skilled he is can t even get points no matter how inflated his is by the way don t get me wrong i like jagr he may be a lazy floater but he turns it on at exactly the right times like overtime of playoff games roland dreier dreier math berkeley edu
