re welcome to police state usa in article veal utkvm utk edu veal utkvm utk edu david veal writes in article c si g hx dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de phill hallam baker writes any government that allows tinpot dictators to set up shop and declare a private state has drifted into anarchy there are laws to control the ownership of guns and the batf had good reason to beleive that they were being violated they set out to obtain a legal warrant and attempted to serve it only to be met with gunfire when they rang the doorbell the batf in a letter they ve been sending out to people says both that they were ambushed because they lost the element of surprise and that they went up and knocked on the door and had it slammed in their faces it strikes me as kind of strange to rely on surprise to serve a warrant by knocking on the door presumably the b d did not mount a continuous state of alert with gunmen ready to fire on people who casually walked up to ring the doorbell once inside the building the batf would have been in control trained police officers are a match to any bunch of bozos playing at soldiers had they expected the b d to be anything other than peacefull citizens who would accept a search authorized by a court they would have turned up in a tank and broken the door down on day one phill the batf were in a firefight with the bd for forty five minutes i find it hard to believe that if they were expecting peaceful citizens they wouldn t have shown up in live stock trailers and would have retreated immediately not a smart move unless meant to be part of the surprize cover even so the narrow opening of the trucks simply was not a good idea a side opening truck would have been much better more like a covered waggon if they were expecting peacful citizens why show up with over a hundred officers some of which clearly visible on video to be carrying sub machineguns and national guard helicopters sounds just about right to me its the minimum amount of force that i would consider necessary to serve a warrant on the talk politics guns annual dinner michael hesseltine ordered the use of over crack troops including members of the parachute regiment to remove approx hippy peace protestors on a site where they wanted to install cruise missiles he even turned up in a flack jacket to monitor the proceedings just about the most dangerous tool the women possesed was a tin opener that single action probably cost him the position as prime minister one of the elders of my church got arrested in that heroic action by the forces of toryism hesseltine ever after was something of a national joke phill hallam baker
