re gun buy back in article bb e c r vmcms csuohio edu r vmcms csuohio edu writes in article r qqcinn j clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes any death is serious wanna discuss match control firearms related unintentional deaths among children ages and under are the fault of one or more negligent persons not the gun no i don t want to discuss match control i don t equate a book of matches to a loaded millimeter either and you shouldn t as the matches kill more kids so why are you bleating about guns say that tired old nra line guns don t kill people people kill people it may be tired but it is true sure people can kill people without guns but easy access to guns makes it a lot more convenient guns don t kill people people with easy access to guns kill people no that s not right either people who have both easy access and the desire to kill kill people considering that people who have the desire to kill turn that into easy access haven t you folks learned anything from either prohibition or the war on drugs if you don t affect the desire you re wasting your time not to mention the other costs incurred jim i m just saying how it is i m not saying if that is a good thing or not from the police who i have talked with who run some of these gun buyback programs i get the impression that they really think they are having an impact on the community good for them i note that the tm folks make the same argument if you ll pay their expesnses million for a reasonable size city they promise to meditate away all crime disease etc at least they re not promising to jail me if i don t go along with their little plan they re going to just sit in a room and fly leaving me alone gun violence whether its effective or not look if you can t measure the impact of these programs using some sort of pre test and post test evaluation what is the point it must be symbolic in nature ah but we have evaluated gun control using before after and it doesn t work to reduce crime what is the point we can t claim that it is symbolic as people do get jailed the police are essentially saying look if you have a gun lying around and you don t want it we ll give you for it because we care about the community no they re essentially saying we hope this will keep you from noticing that we re not doing anything useful pissing away resources isn t caring if you i and joe could think of a way to measure the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of these programs we could become rich and famous nope you ll merely be ignored as wright rossi and daly were after finishing under the gun they were supposed to prove that gun control worked so jim listen to me i said i m not religious whatsoever do you understand religion has nothing to do with this i could care less what religion they were okay to put children in that situation is wrong pure and simple difference is good jim i am the most progressive and diverse person in the world but if different is allowing kids to be exposed to tanks and tear gas then yes jim different is wrong so who gassed them given their previous experience with thugs who threw grenades before yelling we re from the govt and we re here to help you would a rational person think that the feds had their best interests at heart would you know that the gas was non lethal andy
