re zionist leaders frank statements in article t muj vt cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinkas writes in article t bph dtr usenet ins cwru edu aa cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman writes and if you are jewish you are a self hating jew there can be no doubt of this there are doubts about it why don t you define what self hating jew means i found the idea itself of being a self hating jew to be one of those i hope you can come up with a definition in itself try coming up with your own definition of any or all self hating peoples to me any who reject their culture to the point where they only see the absolute negatives of that culture generally or regarding a particular event and accept only those views purely opposing aspects of that culture thus selective belief in and use of historical facts and a complete ignoring of context results hate their culture that certainly describes elias since he has no intention of recognizing that alongside the palestinian experience and perspective there exists also that of israelis who is a jew a person whose integrity decays when unmoved by the knowledge of wrong done to other people a j heschel that is why i get moved when i see the israeli army killing people in the occupied territories as much as i get moved when i see a plestinian stabing people in israel aap and this is precisely why israeli society has been tremendously harmed by the actions it its government has felt it had to take in response to an other perceived as a threat just as with you there has long been a strident and emotional debate about the pain israelis feel when forced to balance desires for survival and moral beliefs the trauma of having to make that choice is made worse by the fact that neither can be conveniently brushed aside as a result of a reasoned political debate for the sake of the other only reshaped tim clock ph d graduate student uci tel department of politics and society fax university of california irvine home tel irvine ca
