no knock was re who s next mormons and jews isaackuo skippy berkeley edu isaac kuo states in reply to deleted article about no knock searches arrests hmm the police strategy of bursting in with weapons drawn clearly marked as officers and yelling police repeatedly this is used every day to bust drug houses the idea is to awe the suspects into submission with surprise and display of firepowere in order to avoid a gun fight as for not knocking it s a sad necessity in many cases since the suspects will attempt to escape or even fight usually this strategy works if it didn t then it wouldn t be used so commonly now would it in general no knock raids are to preserve evidence like drugs which can be flushed down the toilet they are not the standard way to arrest a violent felon like a bank robber if there is no need to search or preserve evidence they will just surround the dwelling and order the suspect to come out with her hands up if the suspect does not come out tear gas will be used comment on the bd omitted i merely point out that it is a valid strategy which is used every day furthermore we don t know of any substitute strategy capable of apprehending potentially dangerous and armed suspects do you suggest it is not a method to apprehend criminals that the police always knock with guns holstered and never arrest any suspects until they have been allowed to inspect the officers s badges just what should the police do when apprehending potentially dangerous and armed suspects how far can they reasonably go to identity themselves what do you suggest they can do which can t be faked by the competition it is a very dangerous method to obtain evidence that might be destroyed if a warrant is served in the normal way it is the most dangerous way to arrest anyone the cops are charging into a room and they don t know what is in it it is much safer to surround the place and announce yourself even if you ve got deadly enemies who may pretend to be cops that s not an excuse to murder police in the case of the bd s there was almost definitely at most the paranoid delusion of deadly enimies who would pretend to be cops cops are not cops until they identify themselves as police officers most drug dealers and professional criminals are aware of the likelihood of arrest but they also know how the system works if they are arrested they call their lawyer post bail and hope for a plea bargain if they pull a gun and shoot a cop during a raid they will be charged with first degree murder if they survive the raid drug dealers have guns for protection from their customers and other criminals not to shoot cops cops are shot on no knock drug raids because the criminals aren t aware that they are cops no knock raids on homes occupied by non criminals are more likely to end in disaster mom and pop citizen know that they have not committed any crime they know that anyone breaking into their house cannot be a cop because they have done nothing wrong if they have the means to defend themselves they may because they know that the housebreakers are criminals not cops cops and homeowners may die the first reports from waco stated that the atf had a warrant to search for illegal weapons and also an arrest warrant if the illegal weapons were found in this case the no knock warrant was not called for it is difficult to flush a gun down the toilet the atf could have surrounded the compound a marked police car could have driven up to the entrance and uniformed officers could have knocked and served the warrant usual way it this had happened and and koresh refused the warrant or drove the cops off at gun point then most of the t p g folks would have kept quiet rod anderson n nzo i do not think the united states government boulder co is responsible for the fact that a bunch of rcanders nyx cs du edu fanatics decided to kill themselves satellite n nzo on ao slick willie the compassionate
