re welcome to police state usa in article apr udel edu carroll hercules cis udel edu mark c carroll writes wait a second you re ignoring major facts here there was no attempt to simply serve a warrant the batf had a no knock warrant the initial firefight began when the batf threw concussion grenades at the building batf admits this when did the batf say this everything i ve seen from the batf from the official version to the dissident statements of batf officers who conducted the raid claims that the davidians were shooting at the agents long before they were within grenade range also if the warrant is sealed how do we know it was a no knock mitchell s todd mst zeus tamu edu
