re waco is gov t fault was re libertarian party on cia fbi atf in article c wkyg fy dscomsa desy de hallam zeus desy de writes in article apr happy uccs edu etbeteille happy uccs edu writes here are several shreds of evidence that prove the waco disaster is the government s fault they raided an american s property because of rumors about koresh s intentions with some converted yet still nd amendment protected firearms a judge approved warrant justifies nothing in a democracy under the rule of law a search warrant justifies a search the us constitution does not justify murder of those attempting to mount a search for illegally held weapons a search for illegally held weapons if there were any no evidence yet produced to this effect does not justify firing into a house with women and children either it also does not justify shooting first without identifying oneself the atf and fbi have done this before so don t say they haven t please or producing a warrant guess it depends on whose story one believes huh it took them days to think of a basic terrorist tactic i e tear gas and this could only be justified in support of rescuing any supposed hostages inside the govt has a right to use lethal force in certain cases attempts to capture dangerous criminals who are armed and threatening the lives of others which others are we talking about here is one in this case they used sub lethal force sub lethal excuse me but those people are dead the gov t immediately imprisoned these so called hostages the children were held hostage evidence so far the fbi has produced none don t hold your breath the adults were wanted variously for murder and conspiracy to murder only a few of those being held in chains and s hackles are wanted the rest are being held for the crime of being material witnesses it took hundreds of gov t agents with tax funded cellular phones ten minutes to dial for the fire department they should not have called the fire dept at all there was no role for them to play in a situation where those that might be rescued might well shoot at them it was not the feds decision to make but the firefighters calling the fire dept meant that waco was deprived of a resource that might have been needed elsewhere should a situation where it could have been used arisen this is true of any answer to a call for help from a fire department by any citizen since fire departments do answer calls that deprive resources that might be needed elsewhere it is not a valid reason for not calling them further since the davidians had not been found guilty of any crime in a court of law they are subject to the same protection as any other citizen and las far as i know even criminals in prison are not left to burn to death in a fire by cutting off the water supply in the surrounding area the gov t guaranteed that any fire at the compound would be fatal any fire started deliberately uising lamp oil is likely to be fatal i guess this is a matter of religious faith with you the government says it so it must be so or haven t you been reading this thread well enough to notice that some of us here don t beleive their story no one had the foresight to station rescue vehicles nearby in the first place they are a scarce resource a bunch of psychos cannot deprive the neighbourhood of a resource that might be required in a genuine case patients in psychiatric hospitals are not left to die in fires either besides as i explained some of us here believe their distress might have been genuine are you so certain it wasn t the gov t conveniently forgot all that freedom of religion stuff freedom of religion does not include human sacrifice nor does it include other forms of murder there is no evidence that the davidians committed human sacrifice either before of after the initial raid and self defense is not murder the gov t arguably started or at least fanned the fire themselves the govt arguably is run by communists or the trilateral commission he did not say it was deliberate accidents do not require conspiracy theories only wanton disregard for human life the initial raid alone agents firing blind into walls against all standards of law enforce ment procedure proves they did not mind killing people finally and this may be a stretch for some of you statists out there but koresh s original reasons for holing up in such a compound may have something to do with the continual interference from the gov t new taxes new regulations and increasing involvement in every aspect of our personal and economic lives life on a compound might become the way of the future it might have to be let us hope that those who support koresh are not allowed to enforce this upon the rest of us no one here is supporting koresh we are opposing the illegal use of excessive violence by our government against our citizens that is all their reasons for supporting the ownership of high power weaponry are clear enough they hope that this will be the catylist for the destruction of the fabric of society and allow them to enforce their nightmare vision of the future a society that believes it is ok to terrorize people for their religious views will destroy itself in due time it is the feds who disrupted the fabric of society in waco not koresh it is the feds who forced a nightmare onto the people of mount carmel it would be a good thing for people to study history on what basis do you assume we haven t don t you really mean it would be a good thing if people drew the same conclusions from history that i do in particular a group of militant militant implies acts of aggression against one s neighbors the davidians left their neighbors alone religious heretics who left to set up such a community some time ago a few years latter they had captured medina and destroyed the idols in the kabba within ten years the whole of arabia was under islam so what the mormons were considered a cult for years and were chased out of one place after another on much the same thinking as you are advocating when they finally got to set up a community they left people alone so far americans haven t been put to the sword by mormon hordes crying to avenge joseph smith just because a group of people start by saying that all they want is to be left alone does not mean that that is how they will stay it doesn t mean they won t either anyway the whole purpose of a system of laws is to punish people for what they do not what they might do the pat robertsons oral roberts and jimmy swaggarts of this world are quite telling other people how to run their lives telling is not the same as forcing when the police knock at my door i cannot make them go away by changing the channei as for pat and friends i don t even watch their channel since i am an atheist so far not watching them tell me what to do hasn t gotten me killed if you allow such people to get guns and point them in your face you are likely to find that they are running your life right now the only people sticking guns in anyone s faces is the government and they are trying very hard to run my life or haven t you noticed phill hallam baker christian struble college libertarians of texas uh chapter mece d jetson uh edu box calhoun houston tx the true civilization is where every man gives to every other every right that he claims for himself robert ingersoll
