re laws of god was re a kind and loving god mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes dpw sei cmu edu david wood writes mlee ra royalroads ca malcolm lee writes these laws written for the israelites god s chosen people whom god had expressly set apart from the rest of the world the israelites were a direct witness to god s existence to disobey god after knowing that god is real would be an outright denial of god and therefore immediately punishable remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to god s chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike sorry if this is late for the thread but i thought god was supposed to be constant and never changing how do you reconcile this common christian view with the paragraph above god never changes sorry but yes he does by your own description he still loves us sending jesus was one of his attempts to reconcile with mankind humorous this notion of an all knowing all powerful god who must attempt to reconcile with his lowly creations i realize that it is not possible to penetrate such logic but is there any chance that you might consider that an omnipotent god need not attempt anything and further that an attempt to reconcile implies a lack of omniscience what you are doing here is projecting human weaknesses onto your god also while we re at it how do you reconcile a kind and loving god with the judeo christian view that sin was at one time immediately punishable by death was killing people for sinning god s way of showing kindness and love sinning in the face of god was punishable by immediate death there are several ot passages to back this up god is god but all humans are sinners thus all pre jesus humans should have been punished with death we aren t punished with sin now of course because god has changed he required a brutal sadistic sacrifice of his own blood in order to allow us to sin without immediate death he cannot tolerate the prescence of sin in his midst yet he does so now he has changed the sadistic murder of his own son has made him more tolerant of our sins besides his midst is everywhere so your statement is meaningless he tolerates sin in hell which surely is in his midst as well also given that he is all knowing he must have eternal knowledge of who will commit which sins as well as when and where so what does tolerance have to do with anything all of this is absolute nonsense unless your god is not indeed all knowing and all powerful or unless he doesn t take the personal interest in everyday affairs that you claim and the israelites knew this and still some of them chose to disobey and were destroyed were these people kind and loving themselves not relevant the claim of kindness and lovingness was made by you in reference to your god the nature of his creations victims is not at issue god gave them every break he could but in the end he really had no choice in the matter i see an all knowing god who did not know what the ultimate outcome would be and an all powerful god who had no choice in the matter mindmush seeing as how we were failing to achieve salvation on our own he sent his son to die for us to be the ultimate sin offering did i miss something did you give some indication at to why a kind and loving god should require sadistic human sacrifice to allow his own botched creations to achieve salvation is the fact the he no longer does this an admission on his part of having made a mistake he sent his son as a consolation to us out of love i note that your answer physically follows my question but i fail to discern a connection between the two by the way for what am i being consoled now that we are living in the age of grace does this mean that for our sins god now damns us to eternal hell after we die rather than killing us immediately if so is this eternal damnation an example of a kind and loving god hey let s be fair for a moment here kind and loving does not mean a free ride why not by the way i note for the record that you didn t answer the questions there is an amount of give and take as in any relationship parents are supposed to be kind and loving but does that mean that children can do whatever they want not part of being a parent means administering punishment when the child is at fault death and or eternal damnation is your idea of correctional punishment i hope you aren t a parent part of being a parent means giving instruction god tests us through the trial of life such that we may grow stronger he teaches what is right and what is wrong this is quite an elaborate fantasy that you ve constructed but sadly it lacks a basis in reality it also does not address the questions that i raised the consequences of our actions are made clear to us be it heaven or be it hell if god did not follow through with what he has warned us about he would not be a very good parent the god that you describe is not a good parent but a tyrant in parenting if a parent issues a warning but does not follow through with it the children will not take that parent s words very seriously god does the same by telling us who have ears to hear what to do and what not to do by life s trials we see the folly of doing our own will rather than his he warns us about the consequences of rejecting him when it comes time for judgement sorry was that the god of the bible whose rules i am to follow or the god of the koran the vedas the book of koresh oh yes it s all so clear do we follow him i will bully for you
