re cruel kmr po cwru edu keith m ryan writes i don t think so although some forms of execution are painful the electric chair looks particularly so i think the pain is relatively short lived drawing and quartering on the other hand looks very painful and the victim wouldn t die right away he d bleed to death i d imagine ah so a cruel punishment is not just if it is painful as you origionally stated it is about long term pain eg non short lived why this sudden chance in your stance i don t think i ve changed my stance at all my original stance was that a painless execution was not a cruel one i didn t say what would be considered cruel only that a painless death wasn t now cruelty must involve some sort of suffering i believe i don t think someone that gets shot in the head or electrocuted really suffers very much even a hanging probably produces one sharp instance of pain but it s over so quickly hmmmmm pardon could it be that a counter example has been made which renders your previous stance null and void why don t you admit that your previous stance is incorrect or if you somehow managed to slip up and misstated your origional stance why not admit it no well again i stated that a painless death isn t cruel but i don t think i stated that all painful executions are cruel i think that some are cruel depending on the nature and duration of the pain by the way how long is too long anything more than an instant i guess any death by suffocation asphyxiation or blood loss would be cruel i think this includes the gas chamber and drawing and quartering i d say that any pain that lasts say over twenty seconds or so would be too long but this may be an arbitrary cutoff i suppose keith
