addressing turkish genocide apology turkish historical revision zuma uucp via dotage sera zuma uucp serdar argic responded to article sn f innkh minerva cis yale edu pavlovic milan yale edu milan pavlovic who wrote mp actually i would like to get a compilation of these one liners mp so that i could print them out and show them to my friends over the mp summer and they can see what kind of clowns exist out there in chicago check out alt fans serdar argic well does it change the fact that during the period of to the armenian government ordered incited assisted and participated in the genocide of million muslim people because of race religion and national origin muslim race muslim national origin you fool armenians did slaughter the entire muslim population of van no today muslims armenians armenians did slaughter of muslim population of bitlis no today muslims armenians armenians did slaughter of muslim population of erzurum no today muslims armenians armenians did slaughter of muslim population of diyarbakir no today muslims armenians armenians did slaughter of muslim population of mamuretulaziz no today muslims armenians armenians did slaughter of muslim population of sivas no today muslims armenians armenians did slaughter the entire muslim population of the x soviet armenia no the azeri population of armenia in after anti armenian pogroms in azerbaijan was kicked out and sent to azerbaijan the remaining muslims stayed in armenia mccarthy j muslims and minorities the population of ottoman anatolia and the end of the empire new york university press new york pp let s check it out on page of this turkish suggested reference we read the turkish census registered not one person of the gregorian armenian faith in van only one in bayazit and twelve in erzurum a people who had lived in eastern anatolia since before recorded history were simply gone karpat k ottoman population the university of wisconsin press let s check it out but first of all the complete title of this reference includes the words thus such a reference cannot support the above claimed garbage however since this is a turkish suggested reference on pages and on table i b it states there were million armenians in turkey from i guess they were simply gone after wwi hovannisian r g armenia on the road to independence university of california press berkeley and los angeles pp let s check it out on page of this turkish suggested reference under sub title deportation and massacre of turkish armenians it states several authors assert that armenian resistance at van constituted a key factor in the turkish evacuation of persia and motivated the ittihadist young turk leaders to annihilate the turkish armenians the question of responsibility for the massacres or deportation of nearly all ottoman armenians has evolved into a polemic hundreds of books articles and documents have been published to describe the horrifying scenes of violence and death many writers such as the british bryce and toynbee french pinon german lepsius american morganthau and gibbons have insisted that the massacres were predetermined and ruthlessly executed the have refuted the ottoman government s official publications and justifications by substantiating that anti armenian measures were deliberated by the ittihadists even before the outbreak of war the fact remains than an estimated eight hundred thousand to over a million armenians perished within a few months and several hundred thousand more succumbed in the following years to the ravages of disease famine and refugee life unknown numbers of women and children were converted forcibly to islam possessed by turkish men or adopted by moslem families shaw s j on armenian collaboration with invading russian armies in history of the ottoman empire and modern turkey volume ii reform revolution republic the rise of modern turkey london cambridge university press pp stanford shaw is a paid liar revisionist for the turkish government and has been exposed as a plagiarizer for example experts from an interview in greek with professor spyros vryonis from nyc s national herald thanks mr g b few people know of the problem i faced at ucla when professor stanford shaw was due for promotion i knew him to be turkey s man due to my reading knowledge of turkish and my seniority over him i was a member of the promotion committee for that case i sat down and read his entire treatise history of the ottoman empire and modern turkey it took me three months and i found out from volume i that he had plagiarized uzun jarsoglu an eminent turkish specialist on ottoman history shaw himself claimed in his introduction that his treatise was the outcome of a year search through the ottoman archives well i went on leave and managed to show of volume i containing around sentences to be the result of plagiarism matching each sentence with passages from the original work he had even reproduced the errors so i produced a pages manuscript and submitted a pages report on shaw s plagiarism the university however rejected my report and after a closed meeting promoted stanford shaw to distinguished professor i paid a price for all this upset by the whole process i confronted the entire university structure and was considered to be a chauvinist and madman i asked for permission to run a seminar on shaw s book that was denied by the president of the university while the center for near eastern studies granted me permission the president was depriving me of my academic freedom luckily the dean refused to give in and i did run the seminar attended by more than academic people in which i uncovered stanford shaw who refused to attend as a punishment the university froze all my raises gochnak armenian newspaper published in the united states may no chance there was no may th issue of gochnak david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia has not learned a lesson in s d p a center for regional studies anatolia and has forgotten the p o box punishment inflicted on it cambridge ma late turkish president turgut ozal
