re rawlins debunks creationism in article ursa bear com halat pooh bears jim halat writes in article c sncl j o usenet ucs indiana edu adpeters sunflower bio indiana edu andy peters writes evolution as i have said before is theory and fact it is exactly the same amount of each as the existence of atoms and the existence of gravity if you accept the existence of atoms and gravity as fact then you should also accept the existence of evolution as fact andy i don t accept atoms or gravity as fact either they are extremely useful mathematical models to describe physical observations we can make other posters have aptly explained the atomic model gravity too is very much a theory no gravity waves have even been detected but we have a very useful model that describes much of the behavior on objects by this thing we call gravity gravity however is not a fact it is a theoretical model used to talk about how objects behave in our physical environment newton thought gravity was a simple vector force einstein a wave both are very useful models that have no religious overtones or requirements of faith unless of course you want to demand that it is a factual physical entity described exactly the way the theory now formulated talks about it that takes a great leap of faith which of course is what religion takes evolution is no different jim halat halat bear com bear stearns whatever doesn t kill you will only serve to annoy you nyc i speak only for myself what do you accept as a fact the roundness of the earth after all the ancient greeks thought it was a sphere and then newton said it was a spheroid and now people say it s a geoid yourself isn t your personal identity just a theoretical construct to make sense of memories feelings perceptions i m trying to think of anything that would be a fact for you give some examples and let s see how factual they are by your criteria btw what are your criteria gravity is not a fact is that a fact how about newton s and einstein s thoughts about gravity is it a fact that they had those thoughts i don t see how any of the things that you are asserting are any more factual than things like gravity atoms or evolution in short before i am willing to consider your concept of what a fact is i m going to have to have as a minimum some examples of what you think are facts tom scharle scharle irishmvs room g computing center scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu university of notre dame notre dame in usa
