re welcome to police state usa in article apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu mitchell s todd writes xref dscomsa alt activism talk politics misc in article apr udel edu carroll hercules cis udel edu mark c carroll writes wait a second you re ignoring major facts here there was no attempt to simply serve a warrant the batf had a no knock warrant the initial firefight began when the batf threw concussion grenades at the building batf admits this when did the batf say this everything i ve seen from the batf from the official version to the dissident statements of batf officers who conducted the raid claims that the davidians were shooting at the agents long before they were within grenade range also if the warrant is sealed how do we know it was a no knock hey don t confuse these guys with facts dude you might break some beautiful illusions of course by batf admits this they mean that the batf did not deny some post by a pro koresh gun lobby person some time back if anyone wants to understand the paranoid mindset of koresh i offer you talk politics guns there you can dredge the sewers of minds so hung up on power and ego trips that they bend reality arround their own particular set of beleifs i long ago gave up arguing the case for arms control directly instead i invite people to ask themselves would you want to be in a room full of the occupants of talk politics guns their personal armouries and attempt to enter a discussion with them phill hallam baker
