re guns amex and new name thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes remember me tom i hope you ll respond and i seem to be a voice of reason or some such i ve been recieving fan mail so naturally my ego is somehwat inflated of late and hope to make a few points here i have never spoken for a ban against guns in america what i ve said is that there seems to be to many of them and especially to many in wrong hands and our argument is that you cannot remove them from the people who need restricting and not remove them from the people who don t a fairly simple problem given our size and numbers do you agree we all believe criminals particularly violent criminals should not have firearms the problem is making a law that does this without trodding upon the rights of the vast majority nobody here seems to be able to do it and i doubt anybody in norway can either thus we are left with a philosophical difference does the safety of a few justify restricting the many we say no while others say yes now if you would like to reduce the number how would you do it without affecting good responcible gun owners can you provide a method that cannot be abused i doubt it i do believe in a persons freedom what i don t believe is that you can have it all and don t pay for it of course this is not in contention what is in contention is how much one has to pay most europeans believe in a society of individuals and that you have to give a little to make that society work it is this giving a little that makes americans wary we have seen this argument before you might remember how a chamberlain gave a little to a particular fascist short asshole and how such appeasement worked while it might work in some instances it doesn t work in others and since we cannot predict the future we must be cautious in using actions that have a history of failure cars and guns should really not be mixed i just tried to make a point like america norway has some spaces you have to cross to get from a to b so a car is essential in most parts guns on the other hand are not essential in norway so we don t argue that if we banned guns we have to ban cars cars are not essential in norway any more than they are in the usa i m willing to bet that you have neighbors that would be willing to drive you anywhere you wanted to go for a price thus cars are not essential for your transportation however the arguments presented show that since cars are used to kill far more people than guns in the usa it makes much more sense to restrict cars than it does guns how one defines essential often depends upon what one is willing to go through for that service when we look at the raw data such comparisons are not individually weighed everyone who believe that hitler and ww could be avoided if there were more guns in germany in the s please read some history this depends upon what the populace was willing to do as desert storm proved even an armed populace won t just revolt even when given a chance still would hitler have done all that he did with an armed populace we have to wonder as some of his first acts were to confiscate firearms other points in history show that dictators were overthrown by arms in the hands of the populace thus we re left wondering if hitler would have been overthrown or if king george was just unlucky in keeping the usa as a colony one can argue both sides one also has to live with each action is this discussion about banning weapons for all americans or making it harder for criminals to get one it is about but so far all proposals to curtail have wound up enforcing as well i only wish that or was so logical change of name that was on my part purely in jest i merely pointed out how we were from similar backgrounds racially but of wholly different backgrounds politically i thought this would underscore my point on how our cultures were so different despite similar heritage did the batf get the warrant for a gun search only or was there other reasons child abuse for instance batf can only enforce gun tobaccco alcohol violations child abuse is a matter for the individual states and local authorities doesn t the people reading this newsgroup have access to the clari news hierarcy some seems rather mis uninformed that hierarchy is a paid for feed at many sites most people do not get it for this reason and i suspect money not censorship is the main reason do you get alt sex at your site i can t read it here because of censorship and legal fears so again our differences show you have topless sunbathing and in the usa we can watch a murder every fifteen seconds and yet breasts are forbidden on television dan sorenson dod z dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say don t blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them
