re welcome to police state usa in article apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu mitchell s todd writes in article apr udel edu carroll hercules cis udel edu mark c carroll writes wait a second you re ignoring major facts here there was no attempt to simply serve a warrant the batf had a no knock warrant the initial firefight began when the batf threw concussion grenades at the building batf admits this when did the batf say this everything i ve seen from the batf from the official version to the dissident statements of batf officers who conducted the raid claims that the davidians were shooting at the agents long before they were within grenade range what i saw on tv and what you claim are two different things the davidians did not start shooting until after the batf lobbed a couple genades in the windows and started shooting themselves also if the warrant is sealed how do we know it was a no knock easy if you see federal agents in body armor with sub machine guns going in throught windows that is a no knock warrant also since the videotape shows the batf throwing grenades before the bd s etunred fire you can safely assume that they didn t ring the doorbell p vasilion p s get rid of that bandwidth clogging sig
