re moraltiy was re political atheists in article r cmninnb gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes livesey solntze wpd sgi com jon livesey writes pardon me i am trying to apply human terms to non humans that s right you are basically stating that morality can only deal with humans because only humans are sentient enough to be moral that is you say that morality can only deal with intentions i have never said that only humans are the only beings which are sufficiently sentient to have intentions in fact i have explicitly said that i am perfectly happy to consider that some animals are capable of forming intentions what i am objecting to is considering programmed or instinctive behaviour to have moral significance since it seems to me such behaviour does not involve intention i think that even if someone is not conscious of an alternative this does not prevent his behavior from being moral i m sure you do think this if you say so how about trying to convince me i think that a moral act is moral whether or not the implementor thinks it is that s not the point the point is whether the implementor thinks at all the issue is not whether thinking produces opinion a or opinion b but whether thinking takes place period i ve offered four times i think to accept your definition if you allow me to ascribe moral significence to the orbital motion of the planets hmm perhaps you can ascribe it i could say that many human actions are not natural and thus don t follow a natural morality since humans are part of nature are not all human actions natural or perhaps you re going to throw in a definition of natural that will allow us to describe some actions as natural and some as not natural if so what is the definition other than those death which surround mating rituals other animals just don t kill each other within a species that often do they sure they do as multiple posters have show you sharks for example eat wounded sharks i ve personally seen cats eat their newborn are you in some kind of denial people give you example after example and you go off the air for a week and then pop up claiming that it never happened it s very strange but why don t animals kill each other see what i mean here we go again what do we have to do write up a tailor made faq just for mr schneider jon
