re question about hell in article may athos rutgers edu pwhite empros com peter white writes luke talks about the rich man and lazarus matthew talks about the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels revelations and reference this fire as the place where unbelievers are thrown matthew talks about being thrown into the eternal fire and the fire of hell it seems quite clear that there is this place where a fire burns forever from the revelations passages it is clear that the devil and his angels will be tormented there forever from the matthew passage it doesn t seem abundantly clear whether the punishment of unbelievers is everlasting in the sense of final or in the sense of continual you ve missed on very important passage thess for after all it is only just for god to repay with affliction those who afflict you and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the lord jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire dealing out retribution to those who do not know god and to those who do not obey the gospel of our lord jesus and these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction away from the presence of the lord and from the glory of his power when he comes to be glorified in his saints on that day and to be marveled at among all who have believed for our testimony to you was believed things to note from this passage unbelievers are both those who openly reject the gospel and those who do not know god the eternal destruction is the same as the eternal hope in this distructions primarily emphasize that it is separation from the presence of god the context is speaking of the nd advent while is speaking of the rapture don t confuse the two in the bible i am not aware of any discussion about the specifics of hell beyond the general of hot unpleasant and torment yet we have a far greater discription of hell that we do heaven for instance it is not discussed how if at all the rich man can continually stay in the fire and still feel discomfort or pain or whether there is some point at which the pain sensing ability is burned up if you can forgive the graphicalness if you throw a physical body into a fire assuming the person starts out alive at some fairly quick point the nerves are destroyed and pain is no longer sensed if this was like earthly fire that requires a gas producing substance to ignite however there seems to be a different type of fire as expressed in the burning bush that was not consumed also the daniel acct shows that the laws of nature can be interupted even with earthly fire it is not stated what occurs when at the judgement the unbelievers who are already physically dead are cast into hell maybe you don t understand there will be those who are alive at the end of the millenium who will walk straight into the gwtj even those who have died in their sin will be resurrected i e reunited with their physical body to receive condemnation i e they no longer have a physical body so they can t feel physical pain this is contrary to the teaching of scripture what could be sensed continually is that those in hell are to be forever without god the lazarus rich man parable is told with the idea of having the listener think in physical terms in order to get the point that some people won t listen to god even after he rises from the dead this is conjecture at best if you are using it to support the no physical body thesis the point of the parable is to reach the hard hearted here who are not listening to the fact of the resurrection nor the gospel about jesus christ it seems reasonable to also draw from the parable that hell is not even remotely pleasant the true awlfulness of hell is that it is eternal separation from god after having seen the glory of his presence at the gwtj but whether it was open rebellion against the revealed gospel of christ or if it is not having known god not saught him as he is then as paul says they are without excuss and that every mouth will be stopped there will be no defense at the judgment seat of god therefore we understand it is appointed unto man once to die and then comes judgment literally just because it is horrific doesn t make it less of a reality it should compel those of us who have the riches of christ to share it with others rex
