re welcome to police state usa in article c si g hx dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de phill hallam baker writes the above conveniently ignores the murder of four batf agents by the branch davidians in an unprovoked ambush that has not been demonstrated had he come to trial there was a very real possibility that koresh would have gotten an acquittal on grounds of self defense all survivors of the debacle have sworn that the batf shot first any government that allows tinpot dictators to set up shop and declare a private state has drifted into anarchy there are laws to control the ownership of guns and the batf had good reason to beleive that they were being violated they set out to obtain a legal warrant and attempted to serve it only to be met with gunfire when they rang the doorbell they rang the doorbell using a concussion grenade and if the bloody warrants were legal then why were they sealed after the fight started and if koresh had declared himself a private state and was just daring the gov t to go in then why did he surrender last year to a local sheriff who served a warrant for his arrest as opposed to the batf search warrant which did not include arrest unless violations were found by just calling him up to tell him and then going out to collect him with his squad car that doesn t sound like a dictator to me it sounds like someone who knows he has a court battle things might have gone very differently if the batf had rung the doorbell the paranoid assertion that the batf fired first in an unprovoked assault assumes that the batf were on a death wish had they expected the b d to be anything other than peacefull citizens who would accept a search authorized by a court they would have turned up in a tank and broken the door down on day one this is stupid that is no paranoid assertion it is testamony from surviving witnesses and the batf has no tanks nor am i aware of either the batf or the fbi using any until yesterday when they use maximum force they do just what they did that first day that got four officers killed the stupidity was the attempt to serve a warant on the place by ludicrously underarmed and unprotected police underarmed you flabberghast me they were loaded for bear and every picture shows them wearing bullet proof vests they were using concussion grenades and full auto weapons what was missing low yield tac nukes this is a transparent attempt to retcon a justification for the ridiculous amount of force used both initially and yesterday you should be ashamed if anyone on the net cares to suggest a sure fire method of bringing the murderes of four police officers to justice perhaps we could hear it they had a sure fire method keep them bottled up and talk them to death or surrender without giving him justification for some looney tune religious stunt phil i ve been reading your postings for months and i m convinced that you will back anything no matter how damaging it may be to yours or anyone else s rights if you think it will hurt people you don t like it s people with that attitude that set up the preconditions for the holocaust a process that is in place now in this country even if the tattered pitiful remains of the constitution is slowing its progress this isn t a libertarian issue others may argue that line but from a strictly constitutional view of a democratic gov t what the fbi and batf did was wrong wrong wrong even if their reasons for trying to arrest koresh were right anything that leads to the deaths of children if nothing else touches your stoney heart is wrong no matter who pushed the button for god s sake man get your morality back larry smith smith ctron com no i don t speak for cabletron need you ask liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want it is the freedom to do whatever we are able
