re after years can we say that christian morality is markp avignon mark pundurs writes mathew mathew mantis co uk writes markp elvis wri com mark pundurs writes in v rusnews w w mantis co uk mathew mantis co uk mathew writes there s no objective physics einstein and bohr have told us that speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics i say bullshit speaking as someone who also knows relativity and quantum mechanics i say go ahead punk make my day my degree can beat up your degree ok refer us to the place in einstein s or bohr s writings where he said there s no objective physics ah you taking everything as literal quotation no wonder you re confused first can i ask that we decide on a definition of objective there s no objective reality lsd should be sufficient to prove that speaking as one who has taken lsd i say bullshit well i ll have to bow to your superior knowledge on that one but i think i detect a pattern in your responses how about some actual support for your dismissals you take lsd and it skews your perception of reality you come down and your perceptions unskew and how could striving toward an ideal be in any way useful if the ideal had no objective existence a perfectly efficient power station would convert all of the energy in coal into electricity there is absolutely no way we can build a perfect power station it s an ideal but striving towards that ideal is undeniably useful and valuable is it not ok let me narrow the question is it useful to strive toward a nonexistent objective ethics i d guess that it might be in what way it may be the case that some people are unable to evaluate complex moral issues rather than leaving them to behave immorally it might be better to offer them an abstract nonexistent objective system of ethics which they can strive towards coded into rules which they don t have to derive for themselves i tend to feel that this is pretty much what we all have as morality anyway mathew
