re faith and dogma in article r mr eov aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu bill ray writes todd kelley tgk cs toronto edu wrote faith and dogma are dangerous faith and dogma are inevitable christians merely understand and admit to the fact give me your proof that no god exists or that he does whichever position you take you are forced to do it on faith it does no good to say you take no position for to show no interest in the existence of god is to assume he does not exist absolutely not true without religion either an established one or one you invent for yourself the theist and atheist are equally not interested in god because without religious revelation there is no information about god available strip away the dogma and the theists atheists are no different simply holding a different opinion on a matter of little practical importance i contend that proper implementation of the christian faith requires reasoning but that reasoning cannot be used to throw out things you don t like or find uncomfortable hedonistic sexual behavior is condemned in the bible and no act of true reason will make it any less condemned hatred murder gossip all these are condemned is there god ordained murder in the bible you bet and if god ever orders me to kill you i will but i will first use the gideon like behavior of verifying that god actually ordered the hit and will probably discuss it in an abram like fashion sorry but that doesn t help what test will you apply to decide whether it is god or satan with whom you are speaking how will you know that you have not simply gone insane or having delusions you are like a loaded gun i can hear you now this is how jim jones and david koresh justify their behavior delusional religious cults bear the same relationship ah you not as stupid as i assumed when the southern baptist church or the methodist church begin to do this then you have reason to blame mainstream religion for the behaviors of these people or should i associate every negative behavior i witness in any non christian with you yes we re all in this together each human making up a small part of the definition of humanity dan
