re homosexual issues in christianity mls panix com michael siemon writes in article may athos rutgers edu mserv mozart cc iup edu someone named mark writes do not be deceived neither fornicators nor idolators nor adulterers nor effeminate nor homosexuals nor thieves nor the covetous nor drunkards nor revilers nor swindlers shall inherit the kingdom of god and such were some of you i cor the moderator adequately discusses the circularity of your use of porneia in this i think we can all agree with paul that there are some kinds of activity that could be named by fornication or theft or coveting or reviling or drunkenness which would well deserve condemnation we may or may not agree to the bounds of those categories however and the very fact that they are argued over suggests that not only is the matter not at all clear but that paul an excellent rhetorician had no interest in making them clear leaving matters rather to our spirit led decisions with all the uncomfortable living with other readings that has dominated christian discussion of all these areas what is fornication sex outside of marriage abuse of sex is not homosexual intercourse outside the context of marriage isn t it an unatural use of what god has given us why is it that homosexuals are using the grace of god as a license to practice sin for certain persons have crept in unnoticed those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation ungodly persons who turn the grace of our god into licentiousness and deny our only master and lord jesus christ jude nasb what is defined by god as a legitimate marriage for this cause a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife and the shall become one flesh gen nasb and he answer and said have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said for this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh consequently they are no longer two but one flesh what therefore god has joined together let no man separate matt nasb but because of immoralities let each man have his own wife and let each woman have her own husband let the husband fulfill his duty to his wife and likewise also the wife to her husband corinthians nasb there are plenty of laws prohibiting sexual behavior to be found in leviticus most of which christians ignore completely they never even bother to examine them they just assume that they know which ones are moral and which ones are ritual well i have news for you any anthropology course should sensitize you to ritual and clean vs unlcean as categories in an awful lot of societies we have them too but buried pretty deep and i cannot see any ground for distinguishing these bits of leviticus from the ritual law which no christian i know feels applies to us i disagree every law that is written in leviticus should be looked at as sin that is why we have a need for a savior i can understand someone who may not know a particular sin listed in the levitcal law but i would hope that they would repent when confronted with it i notice that the verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows the verse prohibiting what appears to be homosexual intercourse well la ti da so what this is almost as slimey an argument as the one that homosexuality rape i know of no one who argues seriously though one can always find jokers in defense of bestiality it is absolutely irrelevant and incomparable to the issues gay christians do raise which concern sexual activity within committed consensual human adult realtionships so that your bringing it up is no more relevant than the laws of kashrut if you cannot address the actual issues you are being bloody dishonest in trailing this red herring in front of the world if you want to address bestiality that is your business not mine and attempting to torpedo a serious issue by using what is in our culture a ridiculous joke shows that you have no interest in hearing us as human beings you want to dismiss us and use the sleaziest means you can think of to do so also i noticed that the preceeding verses say also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness during her menstrual impurity and you shall not have intercourse with your neighbors wife to be defiled with her leviticus nasb these verses are just as relevant as you shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female it is an abomination leviticus nasb why was god telling the israelites not to practice such things do not defile yourselves by any of these things for by all these the nations which i am casting out before you have become defiled for the land has become defiled therefore i have visited its punishment upon it so the land has spewed out its inhabitants but as for you you are to keep my statutes and judgments and shall not do any of these abominations neither the native nor the alien who sojourns among you leviticus nasb he is the lord listen to what he has to say nobody wants to dismiss homosexuals we do love you but we don t agree that what you practice is not sin you have not truly repented of your sin we hate the sin that is within your lives i hate sin that is in my life all christians should hate the sin that is within their own lives confrontaion with sin should bring about repentance yes i agree with john but i also know that jesus said repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand matt if you don t agree that homosexuality is sin than how can you repent from it this means that you remain in bondage to it repent from it and god will set you free in his love mike michael christensen trust the lord with all your heart senior product support engineer and do not lean on your own procom technology inc understanding proverbs nasb
