re why do people become atheists in article may athos rutgers edu gt b prism gatech edu randal lee nicholas mandock writes in article may athos rutgers edu muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu maxwell c muir writes in all candor i would be happy to be proven wrong about believing in atheism problem is i will have to be proven wrong in mentioning some nonsense about psychology and atheism bob muir asks the following question no smiley on the part about atheism i see do you realize that your statement says that i was mentioning nonsense about atheism this is hard for me to defend against if this is the claim you are making as you have only included the last two sentences of my post and mentioned the first please address the substance of my post rather than rejecting it out of hand but because of the sometimes ambiguous nature of english i may be misinterpreting your wording here please clarify did you or did you not mean to call my statements about atheism nonsense if so care to back up that claim do i sound broken to you i answer in the affirmative ok then start up the amatuer psycology again how am i broken is it politically correct for christians to be the only besieged group permitted the luxury of arrogance yawn excuse me i don t recall any portion of my post in which i called christians arrogant quote me if i did i do remember calling christianity silly and then following that up with information that i was nine years old when i thought that i also said that i find faith to be intellectually dishonest and i would like to see some sort of proof of your god s existence i define faith as belief in the absense of any proof btw also i subscribe to a a as i mentioned and we see fundies of all types there so in answer to your question no finally i d hardly call christianity beseiged in this country i seldom see christians ridiculed for merely practising their religion or wearing crosses or having christian bumper stickers i don t know for sure of course i only say i haven t seen it happening what i have seen happening is my homosexual and or friends being beat up or preached at by people who claim to be christ s followers i know that this sort of thing isn t practiced by the majority of christians but it is a very vocal minority who are doing it and i don t see comperable victimization of christians now i have a question for bob why in the world would any self respecting atheist want to subscribe to a christian news group the implication being that i am not self respecting of course i m not a student of psychology btw but i am a student of creative writing and linguistics so literary analysis is my forte also if the implications i see are improper please let me know i m here because i m not sequestered in my own little atheist cubbyhole as you seem to think atheists should be did it occur to you that i don t think i know everything and that maybe someone will say something that will change my life have you read my other posts here or did you see atheist and decide it was time to poke at someone who doesn t deserve your respect aw geez i m sorry i probably am getting my back up a little too high here it s just that the nonsense thing really annoys me i figure you should see my first reactions though since they are my true reactions to your question now the smoothed feather version i seek all sorts of knowledge that s why i came to my university yes i am looking at your religion well sorta i have no idea what kind of christian you are from the outside and hopefully with an objective view i ve been trying to ask reasoned questions here because i genuinely don t know the answers to them but when i saw the question directed at atheists i figured i would answer after all you can speculate about atheist motives here all you want hence the amatuer psychology crack but without an atheist you can t be sure of even one atheist s motive i m hoping people really want to know and i was trying to show that i actually checked out several religions and i actually read all the pamphlets people have to offer and i actually think about these things instead i m still faced with the implication that atheism is some kind of aberration and that only broken people are atheist try it from the flip side i posit that atheism is the natural state and only broken people are theists i offer as proof that so many people witness from horrible lives which picked up as soon as they discovered their religion that religion is regional if people didn t follow the religion of their areas there would be a more homogenous mix so many terrorists claim theistic motives and that theists tend to be so pushy and angry when challenged on alt atheism why are religions so successful because there is so much suffering in the world which breaks people it s an uncomfortable situation whichever way you look at it which is another reason i m here to try to see the flip side of my thinking and also as a watchdog for logical fallacies i have a difficult enough time keeping up with it and i think i know something about the subject the implication here being that atheists can t possibly know anything about christianity probably jumping at shadows again but i think my reaction is somewhat justified after all the first post suggested that atheists are broken hostile people this post confirms that someone else believes it bob reminds me of my roommate in order to disbelieve atheism he says he will need to be proven wrong about it well he got me there i am a strong atheist because i feel that lack of evidence especially about something like an omnipotent being implies lack of existence however i haven t met the strong atheist yet who said that nothing could ever persuade him call me a seeker if you like i don t weak atheism is being ignore here though some atheists simply say i don t believe in any god rather than my position i believe that no god s exist for the weak atheist the is no atheism to disbelieve because they don t actively believe in atheism if you think this is confusing try figuring out the difference between protestants and methodists from an atheist point of view this is another fallacy many theists seem to have that everyone believes in something followed up by everyone has faith in something guess what my atheism ends the moment i m shown a proof of some god s existence is that really too much to ask well i don t even waste my time trying well i guess you won t succeed in converting him or me why the supposition that you will fail to convince him amatuer psycology on is it because you yourself are unconvinced i tell him that he ll just have to take my word for it and i told you that i find faith to be intellectually dishonest note that i can only speak for myself if you find faith to be honest show me how i have been unable to reconcile it so far maybe that s how i m broken i tell you that i have invisible fairies living in my garden and that you should just take my word for it if you accept that you are of a fundamentally different mind than i and i really would like to know how you think all i ask for is proof of the assertion god exists logical or physical proofs only please then we ll discuss the nature of god in response he tells me he will say an atheist s prayer for me prayer uh oh we ll have to revoke his atheist club card and beanie good luck bob and best regards good luck to you as well and again i apologize if the inferences i made were inaccurate randal lee nicholas mandock catechist gt b prism gatech edu muppets and garlic toast forever max bob muir note that abbreviation of quoted pasages is not always the fault of the poster i sometimes do it in order to get a posting by the rule in inews clh
