re christian morality is dan schaertel dps nasa kodak com wrote let us go back oh say years or so whatever pretend someone says to you someday there will be men on the moon now remember you still think the world is flat this is quite an extraordinary claim i think c s lewis has argued that medieval people did not all think the world is flat however this argument goes both ways pretend someone telling plato that it is highly probable that people do not really have souls their minds and their consciousness are just something their brains make up and their brains their body is actually ahead of their mind even in voluntarly actions i don t think plato would have been happy with this and neither would paul although paul s ideas were quite different however if you would read what we discuss in this group and not just preach you would see that there currently is much evidence in favour of these statements the same applies to the theory of natural selection or other sacred cows of christianity on our origins and human nature i don t believe in spirits devils or immortal souls any more than in gods the fact is we can argue the existence of god until the end of time there really is no way to either prove or disprove it but there will be a time when we all know the truth i hope and believe i m right and i hope and pray that you find your way too ah you said it you believe what you want to this is what i had assumed all along ok maybe i shouldn t have said no way i guess i really believe there is a way but all i can do is plant seeds either they grow or they don t you might be as well planting satan s seeds ever thought of this besides you haven t yet explained why we must believe so blindly without any guiding light at all at least i haven t noticed it i don t think this is at all fair play on god s part your argument sounds like a version of pascal s wager please read the faq this fallacy is discussed there but they won t if they re not planted the holy spirit is the nurishment that helps them grow and that comes from god and i failed to get help from the hs because i had a wrong attitude sorry dan but i do not think this spirit exists people who claim to have access to it just look badly deluded not gifted petri petri pihko kem pmp mathematics is the truth pihatie c finou oulu fi physics is the rule of sf oulu kempmp the game finland phoenix oulu fi chemistry is the game
