re atheists and hell imagine the worst depth of despair you ve ever encountered or the worst physical pain you ve ever experienced some people suffer such emotional physical and mental anguish in their lives that their deaths seem to be merciful but at least the pain does end in death what if you lived a hundred such lives at the conclusion of one you were instantly reborn into another what if you lived a million a billion years in this state what if this kept going forever did this happen to jesus i don t think so not from what i heard he lived one day of suffering and died if the wages of sin is the above paragraph then jesus didn t pay for our sins did he this is something i ve always found a little curious i ve never quite understood the trinity thing on the one hand jesus is supposed to be god incarnate but at the same time he is god s son for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son first question is if jesus was god in human form how could he really be god s son if the holy ghost planted the seed in mary so to speak then it seems that jesus relationship to god would be the equivalent to the human father son relationship while a son might inherit alot of the father s qualities he is not the father they are still two separite entities to try and say that a son is the same person as the father is obviously wrong in that case jesus and god aren t the same on the other hand if their relationship isn t the same as the human father son relationship but jesus is actually god incarnate then he s not really god s son and he never was he s just god manifesting himself as jesus at least this is how i m seeing it can someone who is more knowledgeable about the trinity enlighten us getting back to the original question what is the great price that jesus paid to redeem our sins was it dying on the cross since jesus knew that he would rise again in days and then ascend back to heaven i have a hard time seeing how this is considered paying such a great price for humanity his earthly body may have been killed but then so what he suffered a few hours of physical pain but then there has been many a human who has suffered a great deal more the fact that jesus was god s only begotten son doesn t seem to me to have much meaning since god can beget as many sons as he wants to jesus being the only one was simply a matter of choice i suspect that these questions will be very offensive to many christians on this net to those people please accept my sincere apologies it is not my intention to offend or to trivialize christ but i do believe these are legitimate questions and i am genuinely curious note that the trinity and incarnation have to be looked at together first your reading of the virgin birth is an uncommon one in this group it s dangerous to say that no one believes something you seem to be suggesting the jesus is god s son in a physical sense with the holy spirit as father and mary as mother i consider that terrible heresy though some people react less violently the virgin birth says that jesus birth is god s responsibility but it doesn t imply that god s sperm was involved indeed one though by no means the only speculation is that god used joseph s genetic material second jesus is in some sense doubly indirect from the father in a trinitarian context the term son refers to the eternal logos who is a part of god the son didn t come into existence with jesus birth jesus is the incarnation of the son so his sonness isn t specifically a result of being incarnated rather it s the son who was incarnated clh
