re albert sabin in article apr rambo atlanta dg com wpr atlanta dg com bill rawlins writes in article c ftjt sunfish usd edu rfox charlie usd edu rich fox univ of south dakota writes in article apr rambo atlanta dg com wpr atlanta dg com bill rawlins writes earlier dialogue deleted perhaps you should read it and stop advancing the bible as evidence relating to questions of science it did jesus exist by g a wells there is a great fallacy in your statement the question of origins is based on more than science alone nope no fallacy yep science is best in determining how religions handle why and who the problem is that most scientists exclude the possibility of the supernatural in the question of origins is this is a fair premise not entirely its not a premise its a conclusion second that scientists for the most part exlude the possibility is not a problem its a necessity scientists are empircists not theologians i utterly reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of truth so do scientists and long before you did clearly you have a deep and fundamental misunderstanding of science if you met a man who could walk on water raise people from the dead claimed to be the son of god and then referred to the inviolability of the scriptures this would affect your belief in the origin of man i can expand on this nope wouldn t affect my knowledge not belief of origins of anatomically modern humans if that man could show me something better i d change even if it was the biblical story in exact detail but then i would ask why in the world did your father endow us with intellect and reason and then proceed to fool us i mean the bible says nothing about the human like creatures that we know exist some of these so called human like creatures were apes some were humans some were fancifully reconstructed from fragments absolutely and utterly false except for some were amhs lucy australopithecus afarensis ca to mya is complete and about taking into consideration bilateral symmetry lucy walked upright and bipedally just like humans and the two share a remarkably similar dental pattern her cranial morphology is unlike humans or modern apes there are hundreds of other specimens of this and other species of which only some are partially reconstructed they exist bill you can touch them feel them hold them but forget hominids the earth the universe the cultural record all look and test out as ancient indeed they are not reconstructions has god has tricked us here too it won t go away bill i doubt any of us will meet a man like this but bill if your version of all this is absolutely correct i m still no worried about my salvation i ll probaby make it i don t steal murder covet etc and i like to help other people all i did was use the reason and intellect your god provided he or she benevolent and loving will understand my dilemma don t you think good deeds do not justify a person in god s sight an atonement jesus is needed to atone for sin so you and other fundamentalists say what about the billions who don t say so beware of people who say they have the truth bill and reconsider each time you think you do science and the bible are not in contradiction god can supercede the scientific laws as man understands them creation is a good example god has the power to create something out of nothing order out of chaos haven t been on t o long but i have a feeling bill that the veterans will agree with you here no contradiciton and god can do anything at will so what s the beef or more properly where s my point god is the creator look s like we agree that was not your point bill your point above was god has the power scientists generally agree with that that s a far cry from saying god did please attempt to understand your own posts if the title of the book you mentioned has anything to do with the substance of the book it must be a real laugher of course jesus existed and there are volumes of evidence to back it up i can give many if you are interested its not a laugher bill its a scholarly book that many happen to disagree with i am definitely and seriously interested in confirmation i know of the bible inferences therefrom e g prophecies apocrypha the koran and others what i am interested is independent evidence do you have any i know of josephus but this is almost certainly an insertion also i know of a few roman documents e g pliny but these deal only with early christians do you have any independent evidence i am most interested please email or post thanks and best regards i ll send you some info via e mail regards bill i have your info and i have replied several days ago hope you have it somehow your post above appeared at my server only today rich fox anthro usouthdakota
