re accepting jeesus in your heart in article athos rutgers edu seanna bnr ca seanna s m watson writes in article apr athos rutgers edu johnsd rpi edu writes in article athos rutgers edu jayne mmalt guild org jayne kulikauskas writes this is why the most effective substance abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples spiritual needs you might want to provide some evidence next time you make a claim like this in step programs like alcoholics anonymous one of the steps involves acknowleding a higher power aa and other step abuse recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective deletia and so on i seem to have been rather unclear what i was asking is this please show me that the most effective substance absure recovery programs involve meetinsg peoples spiritual needs rather than merely attempting to fill peoples spiritual needs as percieved by the people a a s r c regulars or snoopy this will probably involve defining spritual needs is it not that clear and showing that such things exist and how they can be filled annother tack you might take is to say that fulfilling spiritual needs means acknowledging a higher power of some sort then show that systems that do require this work better than otherwise identical systems that do not a correlation here would help you but as you point out this might just be demonstrating swapping one crutch for annother however i do feel that religion is usually a better crutch than alchohol as it is not usually poisonous i hope with that clarification my question will be answerable i actually did know about the step program its the question of what it does rather than what it tries to do that makes a difference to me dan johnson and god said jeeze this is dull and it was dull genesis these opinions probably show what i know
