re the pill for deer no hunting in article qk jm sh transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article apr gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes why are good neighborhoods good it isn t because every person is armed to the teeth it is because of attitude and cooperation in the good neighborhoods the residents make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when strangers are lurking around good neighborhoods form groups like crime watch to increase this effect and the relative effectiveness of the police when hostiles are arrested the good neighbors step up and say that s the one officer he was robbing mr jones house sometimes this works sometimes it just lands your good neighbors on the dance card for the next wave of drive bys someone here once told a story about la gangs moving into phoenix i ve misplaced the here a a copy cdt newsgroups talk politics guns ou politics path dg rtp psinntp uunet sun barr ames haven umd edu darwin sura net wupost csus edu netcom com mvp from mvp netcom com mike van pelt subject the difference an armed civilian population makes message id y n tc mvp netcom com date thu sep gmt organization netcom online communication services guest references swood vela lines along the lines of the armed citizen here s a story that some of you may find amusing it s a story about arizona house hunting from leslie fish musician and author one of the reasons i m planning to move to arizona is that despite its lousy economy way race problems simmering religious problems and hopelessly bad government arizona has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the country is it just coincidence that arizona is also one of the few remaining no gun control states in the country well consider this funny story last time i was in phoenix staying with liz burnham i did some checking on the local real estate market that s when i discovered that with my income as provable by my tax returns i can qualify for every low income housing loan in the book with the exception of va and i came across an astonishing ad in the local market paper it offered a three bedroom house in the phoenix area for are you ready for this all of no money down per month total payments christ on a harley davidson i called up the real estate office making this offer made it clear that i was only checking the local market and asked about that house were the walls roof and foundation structurally sound yes were the plumbing and electrical systems functional and up to code yes did the air conditioning system an absolute necessity in phoenix work yes again okay so what was wrong with the house well it needed lots of plastering painting yard work and some patching of the roof and yes low interest repair loans were available okay sez i if that s all that s wrong with it just why are you selling a bedroom house for all of well squirms the agent it s in kind of a bad neighborhood how bad sez i remembering some of the neighborhoods i ve seen in chicago and oakland worst in the city the agent sighs and then he told me this amazing story every few years it seems the big vice gangs in los angeles notice that there s no gang presence in phoenix which is just a quick hour drive from la and get the idea of setting up a subsidiary there well a couple years ago the colonizing force came to this neighborhood it being poor and spanish they figured they could move right in and take over bought this house and started operations unfortunately for them the neighbors not only didn t like this they didn t care for whores trotting up and down their streets all night pimps soliciting their kids dope deals on the corners in broad daylight and so on they weren t afraid to do something about it the neighbors called the cops for some reason the phoenix police are remarkably honest capable polite and prompt and the cops promptly came and swept up all the whores pimps and pushers off the street and away to jail the remaining gang members decided to retaliate in the fashion they usually use in la they got the complainant s name and address off the court records and did a drive by shooting at his house well this wasn t los angeles the moment the neighbors heard the first gunshots fired they all ran out their front doors with their own guns rifles shotguns pistols everything and shot back the car didn t make it to the end of the block it coasted to a stop riddled with more holes than the famous bonnie and clyde getaway car which i ve seen it s on display in a casino in a casino in las vegas the gas tank and fuel lines had been ruptured so the car caught fire the neighbors waited a good minutes making sure nobody got out of that car before they called the fire department to come put out the fire and tow the wreck away by that time the asphalt under the car had melted and caught fire too which subsequently left a large and nasty pot hole in the street the city is slow about repairing small streets so the hole stayed there providing a traffic hazard for several months all this was two years ago the agent concluded and there s been no trouble since but the house and the neighborhood still have a bad reputation and that s why the house was so cheap hearing this story i nearly laughed my ass off i told the agent that if i had the money at the moment i d by god buy the house this was nothing compared to bad neighborhoods i d seen here in california where drive by shootings go unchecked by the well armed cops let alone by the unarmed neighbors if that s the absolute worst you ll find in phoenix then that s the city for me that s the difference that an armed civilian population makes think about it mike van pelt when guns are outlawed mvp netcom com only carl rowan will have guns mvp hsv lsil com
