re professors whining about pay in article qf kqinnrkd elroy jpl nasa gov fogarty sir c jpl nasa gov tim fogarty writes in article optilink com cramer optilink com clayton cramer writes in article q k binne k elroy jpl nasa gov fogarty sir c jpl nasa gov tim fogarty writes in article optilink com cramer optilink com clayton cramer writes professors get summers off industry employees don t what professor gets the summer off the primary purpose of a professor at a university is to publish teaching is secondary the summer is when professors are able to do the research required for their papers i m told by my advisor that only at some universities is publishing the primary emphasis many professors in the cal state university system don t publish at all those that prefer teaching are under no pressure to publish when discussing and issue it helps that all participants use the same definitions although this rarely occurs on usenet when i use the term university i think of an organization that has a bachelors masters and phd program i believe that cal state schools do not i call them colleges uc schools are universities at a univeristy the number one goal is to publish cal state university system offers bachlors and masters degrees the ph d is not offered because of opposition from uc at the cal state schools do the professors you speak of have phds at nearly all the professors have phds i haven t had a professor who didn t though my wife has had a couple of professors with just an m a a friend had an instructor who didn t have a degree at all but because he had been minister of culture for the black panthers he was teaching anyway he had a bad habit of usually not showing up to teach the class and finally quit in disgust at the racism of a university that expected him to show up to teach a university you have professors with phds and then teaching assistants tas tas were the slave labor graduate students who got their tuition paid and a few hundred a month for living expenses in exchange for doing all the grunt work the professors taught the lectures with to students per class then the tas taught the labs with to per class tim fogarty fogarty sir c jpl nasa gov at sonoma state university typical class size is to per class teaching is definitely more the goal and sometimes it actually happens the best professors at sonoma state u are equivalent to the best professors i had at ucla and usc clayton e cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer my opinions all mine relations between people to be by mutual consent or not at all
