re after years can we say that christian morality is in article qlvh fh horus ap mchp sni de frank d s uucp frank o dwyer writes in article qkn k fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com jon livesey writes do you mean it s moral to use force on someone who advocates the use of force with a few provisos yes minimum force for a start and it depends on what is being forced on either side or do you mean that sometimes we have to use force on such people out of necessity or self defence while recognizing that our own actions in doing so are not moral my opinion is that our actions would be moral and it would be immoral not to act if action would be both necessary and effective again there many caveats and provisios note my usage of my opinion is an admission that i don t have a lock on morals not that there is no truth about morality to have a lock on you re admitting a lot more than that you are admitting that your morals are situational you are admitting that the actions of other people and the situation you are in help to determine how you judge the moral significance of one of your own actions if you employ x degree of force that s not moral but if you employ x degree of force but previously someone else has employed y degree of force and the situation is thus and so that is moral this is quite different from saying employing force on other people is immoral period unfortunately from time to time we are obliged to do this immoral thing for reasons of self preservation and so we have to bear the moral consequences of that for what it s worth and yes i know you claim to be an agnostic it s this ability to re label things from immoral to moral that i find one of the least attractive qualities of the religious mind jon
