re that silly outdated bill was re koresh and miranda i wrote nice strawman indeed the discussion is not about whether there were tanks used in sixties riots instead it is about whether those tanks fired their main guns in one of those riots you claim they did that claim is ludicrous awesley replied i repeated what i had been told under what context i had heard it supporting the claim that tanks were indeed used in detroit in the issue has never been whether tanks were used in detroit in it has been whether they fired their main guns you did not merely claim that tanks were used you claimed that they fired their main guns to suppress sniper fire and that they were quite effective at this you continue to back away from this claim and defend something else that nobody is disputing awesley went on i spent a few minutes in a library today found their computer was down and they don t have a card catalog anyway it took about minutes to find this in nightmare in detroit a rebellion and it s victims by sauter and hines on page telling of the death of tonia blanding age when the tank was fired upon by snipers it turned in the direction the shots came from the fifty caliber machine gun mounted on the tank belched fire into the buildings after a short round into the front of the buildings the tank guns spit again tearing apart huge holes out of the side of the apartment well it s not the main gun well it s not the main gun gee that s only the entire point are you now going to admit that you were wrong i wrote will i see any pictures of tanks firing their main guns will i see pictures of buildings damaged by the shells will i read the reports of the tank fire i ll bet you dollar to doughnuts i won t it will take more than second hand accounts from a few old national guard sergeants shooting the shit to convince me that tanks shelled american cities in the sixties awesley replied well if you bothered to read them it wouldn t take long at all to find reports of tank fire although not necessarily of the main guns i will never read of tanks firing their main guns in detroit in the riots there is simply no way that such an event could have taken place without it being common knowledge even years later the american military firing shells from tanks in american cities on blacks would have been big news awesley goes on you can also read of the troops using grenade launchers to fire fragmentary grenades i doubt that as well to fire concussion grenades perhaps to fire tear gas certainly but you would be perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags wouldn t you since it makes your other claim seem more plausible and on i don t expect to convince you you ll have to open your mind and eyes and actually do a little research to be convinced one way or the other let me know what you find i already know what you found nothing if i claimed that the marines used f s to launch rockets at buildings in trenton new jersey would you believe me would you suspend judgment until you had a chance to research it or would your bullshit filters kick in if tanks had fired their main guns in detroit people would have been screaming about it for the past two and half decades i would know about it unless you also claim that the national guard managed to cover it up if your mind is open enough to believe that well good for you i prefer to live in reality and here in reality i find it hard to believe that those tanks even had any shells much less fired them john l scott
