re limiting govt was re employment was re why not concentrate in article apr eecs nwu edu ian nasser eecs nwu edu ian sutherland writes in article apr isc br isc br com steveh thor isc br com steve hendricks writes in article apr tijc uucp pjs tijc uucp paul schmidt writes steveh thor isc br com steve hendricks writes it is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams you seem to be saying that a limited government will provide more opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own agendas and asking libertarians to prove that this will not happen while i can t offer such a proof it seems pretty damn plausible that if the government does not regulate a particular area it cannot become a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area i rather suspect that it s the sort of government we have now that is more likely to become such a tool and that it is such a tool in many instances pardon me for interrupting but why doesn t anyone ever bring up other possibilities besides more government less government or no government and stop there it seems to me that the problems with society go much deeper than government democracies seem to reflective of the majority of society both the good and the bad if you take away the government you still have the structural flaws in society except this time with no restraints yes no why doesn t anybody ever discuss communal society like a kibbutz i never studied it on depth but from what i ve heard the kibbutz in isreal was very successful it is also very close to what aristotle and socrates believed was the best sorry to detract from the discussion just as marxism fails to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and the state is to wither away libertarians frequently fail to show how weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human condition i suspect that this is because improvement in the human condition as you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism and would not be the primary goal of a libertarian government my impression of libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of government coercion except in a very limited cases but what good is change if there is no tracable improvement in the human condition who would ever support the change if you tell them it won t improve their lives i know that there are and will be libertarians who will jump in now and say that it will improve our lives i can deal with that all i m saying is that improving the human condition must be the primary goal of any organization ian sutherland ian eecs nwu edu who said anything about panicking snapped authur garrett johnson this is still just culture shock you wait till i ve garrett ingres com settled into the situation and found my bearings then i ll start panicking douglas adams
