re do we need the clipper for cheap security pmetzger snark shearson com perry e metzger writes if the clipper chip can do cheap crypto for the masses obviously one could do the same thing without building in back doors i agree so why is cylink the only and expensive game in town note i think cylink is great and if my boss would double my salary i d buy a bunch of their stuff one thing that clipper offers is interoperability at a higher degree of security than we currently have in non proprietary voice encryption systems this means it will be cheaper than anyone s proprietary scheme and easier to deploy this is of course either a bug or a feature depending on how you look at it indeed even without special engineering you can construct a good system right now a standard codec chip a chip to do vocoding a des chip a v bis integrated modem module and a small processor to do glue work are all you need to have a secure phone great where can i buy it another note if clipper increases the incentive to bring stronger encryption to the mass market all the better it s far overpriced at the moment yes cheap crypto is good but we don t need it from the government i don t care where we need to get it from i care where we can get it from and whether it will interoperate with everyone else indeed were it not for the government doing everything possible to stop them qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to the cdma cellular phone system they are pioneering were it not for the nsa and company cheap encryption systems would be everywhere as it is they try every trick in the book to stop it had it not been for them i m sure cheap secure phones would be out right now you can build them right now as long as you don t want to export a restriction i firmly oppose the only thing stopping people from making cheap encryption is greed they want a lock on the market they aren t the ones making cheap crypto available they are the ones keeping cheap crypto out of people s hands when they hand you a clipper chip what you are getting is a mess of pottage your prize for having traded in your birthright oh come on only if you trust it farther than it deserves a clipper phone is not a substitute for a cylink phone or a stu iii it s a substitute for the voice scramblers advertised in the back of radio electronics are we getting cheaper crypto for ourselves no because the market would have provided that on its own had they not deliberately sabotaged it i disagree modulo itar it s not the government that has sabotaged the market someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography can you tell me where exactly we have given up that right amanda walker intercon systems corporation
