In 1998 he engineered the live portion of the album Bumpa by Critters Buggin,[9] while he received a writing credit for his involvement with Mr. Birdy's Fryday by the Rockin' Teenage Combo.[10] In 2001 he worked together with trumpet player Lesli Dalaba and guitarist Bill Horist, releasing the ambient album Zahir.[11][12] He engineered Kang's 2002 album Live Low to the Earth, in the Iron Age.[13]