He offered the opinion that physical fitness became his watchword because, "I couldn't keep up with the other guys." In a podcast interview, he confessed that he was both unfit and bullied. In college, he had an Epiphany: "I was like the chubby kid in my ... crew, and um yeah it wasn't until I joined swim my sophomore year…" When he could not run, leaving him unfit for soccer and basketball, he settled on joining the swim team.[15]