--and someone pointed this out on the message board and it's a very good catch-- is that this point is where the light if reflecting to our eye so that because we see it, we see the sun there so this light ray right here is coming directly to, directly to someone's eye-let me draw someone's eye right there or our eye, our eye coming straight out of the page the light that got reflected here is going to be reflected a little bit more shallowly so it came from the sun, it came from the sun now obviously this won't be exact, but it came from the sun it probably had a slightly more shallow (uh uh) angle of incidence or angle between the ray and the surface and than it would have gotten to than it would have gotten to the paddle than it would have gotten to the paddle, than it would get to our eye and I wanna make clear we don't see the sun at the point that it is reflected because that light that image of the sun is going to the paddle which than goes to our eye the point where we see the sun-the reflection of the sun that light's going straight into our eye it wouldn't have to be reflected by the paddle so that was an interesting and good catch when you think about the double reflection the other thing I wanna talk about is when you have both specular and diffuse reflection happening at the same time now, we see this all over the place any time you see kind of a shiny object something that's not a mirror, but it's a shiny object and we see that right here in the apple, just to make this clear so you can see, this-this- white part right here, which we've all seen on a nicely waxed apple this is, it's like a reflection of the actually light source while everywhere else, it's just kind of the color of the apple