We will lose to the French, we will lose to the Swedes, we'll lose to the Japanese. "" And therefore, there was a indeed a prisoner's dilemma, which made it very difficult for an individual company, an individual exporting country to say, "" We are not going to continue this deadly, disastrous habit of large companies to bribe. "" So this is what I mean with a failing governance structure, because even the powerful government, which we have in Germany, comparatively, was not able to say, "We will not allow our companies to bribe abroad."