(Laughter) He said, "" Well, you've got to believe in you! "" And I said, "" Manipulative. "" He said, "" That's leadership. "" (Laughter) And I said, "" Shallow affect, an inability to experience a range of emotions. "" He said, "" Who wants to be weighed down by some nonsense emotions? "" So he was going down the psychopath checklist, basically turning it into "" Who Moved My Cheese? "" (Laughter) But I did notice something happening to me the day I was with Al Dunlap.