Not to say, "" Oh my God, what is it? "" but to be challenged by it — to say, "" Wow, this is beautiful, "" on one level, but on the other level, "" This is scary. I shouldn't be enjoying it. "" Like a forbidden pleasure. And it's that forbidden pleasure that I think is what resonates out there, and it gets people to look at these things, and it gets people to enter it. And it also, in a way, defines kind of what I feel, too — that I'm drawn to have a good life.