To me , '' he said , '' the biggest take-away of the AOL experience is that if , instead of founding AOL 20 years ago with Jim Kimsey and Marc Seriff , I had instead set up a foundation or a kind of society-for-a-more-interactive world , and was kind of a think tank on the notion of interactivity , we 'd still be having annual fund-raising dinners and probably would n't have much of an impact . ''