What he wanted to make was what he often compared to nails on a blackboard -- the nasty sound that opens up to something , '' said Mr. van de Westelaken , reached by phone in Amsterdam , where he was joined by the Dutch actress Tara Elders -LRB- who starred in van Gogh 's last film there , the true-to-life political thriller '' 06\/05 '' -RRB- and the screenwriter Theodor Holman -LRB- who wrote the original version of '' Interview '' -RRB- .