['  ', 'CON', 'Dt', 'Bw', 'we', '  ', '  ', '  ', '  ', ' ', '   ', '   ', '   ', '  ', ' ', 'i2', 'TAYLOR', 'JONOVIC', 'WHITE', '&', 'GENDRON', '(305)', '358-9047', '—', 'VIDEOTAPED', 'DEPOS@ON', '  ', 'Page', '86', 'A.', 'Well,', 'you’re', 'close.', 'First', 'of', 'all,', 'I', 'think', 'it', 'was', 'my', 'word,', '‘actually.', 'I', 'think', 'I', 'say,', 'you', 'know,', 'it', 'isn’t', 'so', 'important', 'to', 'look', 'at', 'what', 'Woody', 'Wilner', 'and', 'I', 'did', 'as', 'far', 'as', 'the', 'CPS-II', 'data', 'is', 'concerned', 'because', 'Dr.', 'Thun', '--', 'it’s', 'doctor,', 'not', 'mister,', 'Dr.', 'Thun', 'has', 'published', 'an', 'important', 'paper', 'in', 'the', 'Journal', 'of', 'the', 'American', 'Medical', 'Association', 'that', 'I', 'mentioned.', 'I', 'already', 'mentioned', 'it', 'was', 'published', 'on', 'August', '9th,', '2000.', 'Now,', 'I', 'had', 'a', 'meeting', 'with', 'Dr.', 'Thun', 'in', 'Atlanta', 'at', 'the', 'office', 'of', 'the', 'American', 'Cancer', 'Society', 'some', 'years', 'ago.', 'He', 'and', 'I', 'and', 'Wilner', 'were', 'all', 'there', 'together,', 'discussed', 'how', 'the', 'American', 'Cancer', 'Society', 'would', 'approach', 'from', 'a', 'statistical', 'point', 'of', 'view', 'a', 'consideration', 'of', 'the', 'issue', 'of', 'confounding.', 'Confounding', 'is', 'a', 'term', 'of', 'art,', 'and', 'it', 'refers', 'to', 'a', 'concept', 'that', 'lung', 'cancer', 'is', 'not', 'actually', 'caused', 'by', 'cigarette', 'smoking,', 'but', 'rather', 'that', 'there’s', 'some', 'confounding', 'variable,', 'some', 'other', 'common', 'variable', 'that', 'causes', 'lung', 'cancer,', 'not', 'cigarette', 'smoking.', 'Scientists', 'have', 'had', 'some', 'difficulty', 'taking', 'this', 'seriously', 'because', 'it', 'is', 'statistically', 'so', 'ridiculous,', 'but', 'nevertheless', '--', 'partly', 'because', 'of', 'Multi-Page™', 'Son', 'Aw', 'PWN', 'wm', '  ', 'DR.', 'ALLAN', 'FEINGOLD,', '10/12/00', '.', 'Page', '87', 'what', 'goes', 'on', 'in', 'the', 'courtroom,', 'The', 'American', 'Cancer', 'Society', 'approached', 'it', 'on', 'a', 'rigorous', 'scientific', 'basis;', 'this,', 'after', 'Battelle,', 'the', 'Battelle', 'Research', 'Institute,', 'did', 'something', 'similar', 'for', 'the', 'United', 'States', 'Center', 'for', 'Disease', 'Control', 'published', 'some', 'years', 'ago,', 'and', 'I', 'have', 'previously', 'testified', 'about', 'it.', 'In', 'fact,', '[', 'think', 'there’s', 'reference', 'to', 'the', 'Battelle', 'report', 'in', 'my', 'expert', 'witness', 'disclosure.', 'The', 'bottom', 'line', 'is', 'that', '--', 'and,', 'yes,', 'the', 'Battelle', 'report', 'is', 'discussed,', 'it’s', '1997.', 'The', 'bottom', 'line', 'is', 'that', 'Thun', 'told', 'me', 'that', 'the', 'American', 'Cancer', 'Society', 'would', 'eventually', 'use', 'a', 'statistical', 'technique,', 'which', 'requires', 'very', 'large', 'computers', '--', 'it', 'can’t', 'be', 'done', 'on', 'PC', 'computers;', 'not', 'even', 'link', 'Pc', 'computets', '--', 'to', 'calculate', 'whether', 'there', 'are', 'any', 'other', 'factors', 'that', 'could', 'explain', 'in', 'whole', 'or', 'in', 'part', 'the', 'smoking-attributable', 'mortality', 'or', 'the', 'smoking-attributable', 'fraction', 'of', 'lung', 'cancer.', 'And', 'the', 'final', 'answer', 'most', 'recently', 'published', 'is', 'that', 'according', 'to', 'the', 'American', 'Cancer', 'Society,', 'Federal', 'estimates', 'of', 'deaths', 'caused', 'by', 'smoking,', 'and', 'these', 'are', 'all-cause', 'mortality,', 'approximately', '400', 'deaths', 'a', 'year', 'in', 'the', 'United', 'States,', 'are', 'not', 'substantially', 'altered', 'by', 'adjustment', 'for', 'behavioral', 'and', 'demographic', 'factors', 'associated', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', '  ', '     ', '  ', '  ', '  ', '  ', '   ', '   ', '   ', '  ', '   ', ' ', ' ', 'Page', '88', 'with', 'smoking', 'beyond', 'the', 'current', 'adjustment', 'for', 'age', 'and', 'sex.', 'Battelle', 'came', 'to', 'essentially', 'the', 'same', 'conclusion;', 'Feingold', 'and', 'Wilner', 'came', 'to', 'the', 'same', 'conclusion.', 'Some', 'of', 'the', 'work', 'that', 'Wilner', 'and', 'J', 'did', '--', 'this', 'is', 'in', 'my', 'expert', 'witness', 'disclosure.', 'I', 'have', 'presented', 'some', 'further,', 'more', 'detailed', 'information', 'about', 'this', 'during', 'the', 'Blue', 'Cross', 'Bive', 'Shield', 'deposition.', 'In', 'response', 'to', 'a', 'request', 'of', 'the', 'tobacco', 'industry', 'Wilner,', 'who', 'has', 'this,', 'provided', 'the', 'overall', 'algorithm', 'for', 'the', 'statistical', 'calculations', 'that', 'we', 'performed', 'together', 'on', 'the', 'CPS-I[', 'male', 'data.', 'Wilner', 'and', 'I', 'were', 'going', 'to', 'obtain', 'this', 'data,', 'the', 'original', 'data', 'from', 'Thun,', 'because', 'he’s', 'got', 'the', 'female', 'data', 'as', 'well,', 'and', 'we', 'basically', '--', 'we', 'just', 'didn’t', 'complete', 'the', 'task', 'once', 'Thun', 'published', 'the', 'work.', 'Wilner', 'and', 'I', '--', 'the', 'work', 'that', 'Wilner', 'and', 'I', 'did;', 'however,', 'is', 'useful', 'and', 'will', 'probably', '--', 'I', 'will', 'probably', 'present', 'it', 'to', 'the', 'jury', 'because', 'despite', 'minor', 'alterations', 'in', 'the', 'numbers,', 'the', 'numbers', 'may', 'not', 'be', 'exactly', 'the', 'same', 'as', 'the', 'numbers', 'from', 'the', 'American', 'Cancer', 'Society', 'because', 'some', 'cases', 'were', 'excluded', 'for', 'computer', 'reasons,', 'data', 'storage', 'reasons;', 'but', 'basically', 'that', 'the', 'information', 'that', 'I', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', '  ', '  ', 'Wm', 'wWw', 'nh', 'Aw', 'ye', 'rs', ' ', 'Page', '89', 'show', 'in', 'the', 'expert', 'witness', 'disclosure', 'reveals', 'that', 'the', 'only', 'thing', 'that', 'really', 'causes', 'lung', 'cancer', 'is', 'cigarette', 'smoking;', 'and', 'that', 'factors', 'such', 'as', 'diet,', 'a', 'favorite', 'child', 'of', 'the', 'tobacco', 'industry,', 'or', 'exercise,', 'lack', 'of', 'exercise,', 'amount', 'of', 'fried', 'food', 'consumption,', 'alcohol', 'consumption,', 'things', 'of', 'this', 'nature', 'have', 'virtually', 'no', 'impact', 'on', 'incidences', 'of', 'lung', 'cancer.', 'Understand', 'that', 'Thun’s', 'report', 'is', 'not', 'just', 'lung', 'cancer;', 'it’s', 'all-cause', 'mortality,', 'What', 'I', 'did', 'was', 'mostly', 'lung', 'cancer', 'and', 'coronary', 'artery', 'disease.', '“©', 'So', 'I', 'will', 'say', 'that', 'you', 'will', 'probably', 'see', 'some', 'of', 'these', 'charts', 'and', 'graphs,', 'rather,', 'before', 'the', 'jury;', '5', 'but', 'I', 'will', 'be', 'happy', 'to', 'say', 'that', 'the', 'work', 'that', 'was', 'Ne!', 'done', 'by', 'the', 'American', 'Cancer', 'Society', 'very', 'recently-=', 'published', 'supersedes', 'the', 'work', 'that', 'I', 'did', 'with', 'o', 'Wilner,', 'Q.', 'Well,', 'what', '~-', 'I', 'hesitate', 'just', 'for', 'a', 'moment', 'because', 'do', 'I', 'understand', 'to', 'the', 'extent', 'that', 'you', 'will', 'testify', 'about', 'confounding', 'and', 'the', 'issues', 'surrounding', 'that,', 'you', 'will', 'do', 'it', 'based', 'upon', 'the', 'Thun', 'report', 'as', 'distinct', 'from', 'the', 'work', 'that', 'you', 'and', 'Mr.', 'Wilner', 'had', 'done?', '‘', 'ws', 'A.', 'I', 'don’t', 'think', 'I', 'said', 'that.', 'I', 'think', 'what', 'I', 'said', 'was', 'that', '--', 'I', 'don’t', 'think', 'that', 'I', 'said', 'that', 'at', 'Page', '86', '-', 'Page', '89', ' ', '  ']