so what s the deal with those old latin grammarians and their weird rules for using "pro" and "protinus" in sentences 
### Query ###
so what s the deal with those old latin grammarians and their weird rules for using "pro" and "protinus" in sentences 

### Source ###
**Giorgio Verdi, "Sermoni e predizioni" ,  p. 45-46  ,  St Mark's Museum,   Firenze **
1  The  autograph  preserved  in  the  Museum  of  St.  Mark.  At  the  beginning  of  this
summary,  on  the  inner  margin  of  the  MS.,  a  writer  of  a  later  period  has  added  the
following  words  :  "  F.  L.  Vide  totam  hanc  predicationem,  in  qua  multe  prophetie  et
alia."  The  sole  reason  for  publishing  these  very  rough  and  shapeless  notes  is  that  they
are  the  only  remain»  of  a  memorable  sermon  delivered  during  the  life  of  Lorenzo  de'
Medici.  In  the  original  codex  they  occupy  one  side  of  sheet  57  and  a  few  lines
of  sheet  58.  The  marginal  notes  and  additions,  likewise  in  Savonarola's  hand,
are  placed  at  the  foot  of  the  page.  Those  having  reference  marks  in  the  original  are
indicated  by  Latin  letters,  those  without,  by  Greek  letters  at  the  end  of  the  sentence  to
which  they  evidently  refer.


**G. Marcellus, "The Life of the Minor Brothers" 1223, Assisi **
Glory  be  to  the  Father,  and  to  the  Son,  and  to
the  Holy  Ghost.  As  it  was  in  the  beginning,  is
now  and  ever  shall  be,  world  without  end.  Amen.
SECOND  RULE  OF  THE  FRIARS  MINOR.1

1.  — In  the  Name  of  the  Lord  begins  the  life  of

the  Minor  Brothers.
The  Rule  and  life  of  the  Minor  Brothers  is  this,
namely,  to  observe  the  holy  Gospel  of  our  Lord
Jesus  Christ,  by  living  in  obedience,  without
property  and  in  chastity.  Brother  Francis
promises  obedience  and  reverence  to  the  Lord
Pope  Honorius  and  to  his  successors  canonically
elected  and  to  the  Roman  Church.  And  let  the
other  brothers  be  bound  to  obey  Brother  Francis
and  his  successors.
2.  —  Of  those  who  wish  to  embrace  this  Life  and

how  they  ought  to  be  received.
If  any  wish  to  embrace  this  life  and  come  to
our  brothers,  let  them  send  them  to  their  pro-

1  This  is  the  text  of  1223  and  represents  the  Rule  at  present
observed  throughout  the  first  Franciscan  Order.  It  is  here
translated  according  to  the  text  of  the  original  Bull  which  is
preserved  at  the  Sacro  Convento  in  Assisi.  A  duplicate  of  this
document,  contained  in  the  Pontifical  Register  at  the  Vatican
Library,  has  been  consulted  for  certain  passages  less  legible
in  the  original.


**Cicero, M. Tullius. Epistulae ad Atticum. Edited by Scholasticus, Marcus, and Octavius, Gaius. Rome: Typographia Antiqua, 705 CE. Epistolarum Ad Atticum X. 1-3. **
n.  aut  .  .  .  bonis,  ut  nos  aut  t,  .  .  ins.:  u.  (Sch.)?  b.;  aut
nos  .  .  .  ins.  U.  B.  —  acerrime  — ,  l.  iri,  non  me  arb.  (W.).
a.  elegatum  iri  non  a.  MI.,  Oxx.  a.,  me  l.  i.  n.  a,  R.  (sed
accì'rimum),  IB.  —  f  legerer  (MI.,  cdd.  Mal.  et  m.,  Oxx.).
legarer  (Rac.)  aut  leger  (Corr.  conj.,  B.),


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EPISTOLARUM  AD  ATTICUM  X.  1—3.        347

n..
Scr.  In  Arcano  Quinti  fratrie  Nonis  Aprilibus  a.  u.  e.  705
CICEBO  ATTICO  SAL.
Ego  quTim  accepissem  tuas  litteras  Nonis  Aprili- 1
bus,  quas  Cephalio  attulerat,  essemque  Mintumis
postridie  mansurus,  ut  inde  protinus,  sustinui  me
in  Arcano  fratris,  ut,  dum  aliquid  certìus  afferretur,
occultiore  in  loco  essemus  agerenturque  nihilo  minus,
quae  sine  nobis  agi  possunt.  AakayBvCa  iam  adest
et  animus  ardet,  neque  est  quidquam,  quo  et  qua;
sed  haec  nostra  erit  cura  et  peritorum:  tu  tamen,2
quoad  poteris,  ut  adhuc  fecisti,  nos  consiliis  iuvabis.
Res  sunt  inexplicabiles;  fortunae  sunt  committenda
omnia:  sine  spe  conamur  uUa;  melius  si  quid  ac-
ciderit,  mirabimur.  Dionysium  noUem  ad  me  pro-
fectum:  de  quo  ad  me  Tullia  mea  scripsit;  sed  et
tempus  alienum  est  et  homini  non  amico  nostra
incommoda,  tanta  praesertim,  spectaculo  esse  noUem,
cui  te  meo  nomine  inimicum  esse  nolo.
in.
Scr.  in  Arcano  a.  d.  VII.  Idus  Aprilea  a.  u.  e.  705.
CICERO  ATTICO  SAL.
Quum,  quod  scriberem,  piane  nihil  haberem
haec  autem  reliqua  essent,  quae  scire  cuperem,  pro-
fectusne  esset,  quo  in  statu  urbem  reliquisset,  in
ipsa  Italia  quem  cuique  regioni  aut  negotio  prae-
fecisset,  ecqui  essent  ad  Pompeium  et  ad  consules
ex  senatus  consulto  de  pace  legati,  quum  igitur  haec
scire  cuperem,  dedita  opera  has  ad  te  litteras  misi.
Ep.  2,  1.  ut  inde  prot.  (W.).  et  t.  jj.  Mi,  vulgo,  et  ».


**Alberti, Leandro. "Le Opere di Matteo Bandello: Un Virum in Scribendo." In Studi di Letteratura Rinascimentale, edited by Giovanni Rossi, 123-145. Milano: Editrice Rinascimento, 1887. **
XX

K/.  Molle  altre  Opere  liei  composte  ^
le  quali  non  sappiamo  essere  alle  stampe.
Di  alcune  ci  ha  lasciata  notizia  Leandro
Alberti.  Questi  dopo  aver  chiamato  Mat-
teo virum  in  scribendo  floridurn  ,  clarum,
nitidum,  emunclum,  et  accuratum  ,  ciijus
ÌDsigaes  dotes  si  narrare  voluero  j  me  po-
tius  tempus  deficeret ,  così  soggiunge  '
Ejus  scripta  totum  illum  effiogant ,  videli-
cet  ^gesippus  suus  ìatinus  quem  aliqu an-
dò vernaculum  latine  et  erudite  loqai  fe-
cerat  ;  Orationes  diversae  et  io  primis  illa
per  eum  habita  coram  Senatu  Populoque
Firmano  anno  Domini  MDXIII  prò  gra-
tiarum  actionibus  prò  Synodo  nostra ,  in
qua  origo  ,  et  res  gestae  Firmauae  Givi-
tatis  tnm  opulente ,  tam  ampie  ac  eìe-
ganter  continentur,  nt   a    Firmanis  exem-^


XXI

im  contiouo  ia  Archiviis  Urbis  prò  acter-

memoria  reponeretur  ;  et  Carmina  ver-

ule   composita  ,   ut  Franciscum    Petrar-

u  protinus   revixisse  omnes  teslari  ac  af-

mari  possent.  Missa  facio  caetera  Opera,

quomndam  illustrium  virorum  ex  Plutar-

vitas  brevi  Epitomate  complexas,et  Vitam

ti-ui  sui  Yinceatii  Bandelli  ,   ac  noanul-

riim    virorum    insignium    etc.    Una     di

teste   Vite  forse  è  quella  di  F.  Gioanni

attìsta  Cattaneo  morto  di  peste  nel  1604,

^lla    quale    ha   fatta    jnenzione   il  Piò,

)el!e  sue  Rime  poi  sappiamo  conser^'arsi

na  Raccolta  nella  Libreria  Regia  di  To^

no  nel  Cod.  segnato  (fra  gì'  Italiani  )

ì    num.    CXKXFI.  K.  I.  33   in  cui  è

isre  una  sua  Canzone  intitolata  :  Delle

ivine  doti  di  Madama  Margarita  di  Frati-


XXII

eia  Figliuola  del  GristiaDÌssirao  Re  Fraa-»
Cesco  I.  Alcune  sue  Rime  si  trovano  im-
presse fra  c/ueìJe  di  diversi  iti  lode  di  D.
Lucrezia  Gonzaga  ec.  Io  Bologna  per  Gio.


**Benedetto, Giuseppe. Le regole dell'aritmetica: un'analisi matematica e storica. Firenze: Editore Matematico, 1787. **
Rézola d’oro, réyola del trer[ in arit-

mética ] the golden rule, tbe rule of


«three.
REGOLANTE , adi. m. f. [ che riacle]
regulasing , governing, dirctting , guid-


ing.
iaia s adi.m.f. [che fà a réco-
la) regular, done according to-the rule.
ceoldre { etitto, puntudle ] exat,
punttuat, >> va;
Regolfre [ parlfndo de’ religidfi clau-
firdli ,°che vivono fotto qualche régola ]
regular. . = af
Un regolfre, s. m. [un frate] a re
guiary a monk. . a A
Regolsre [dar regdla, ordinfre ; ri-
Rrigner fotto révola ] fe resulate, t0
govern, order , dir
preferite.
Regoldre [ determinfre,, decidere ] fo»


rule s-decide, determine or fettle.
Reyolfre un oroldgio, fe fer dà clock

righe.
cliediino ] t0 iniirate one, to go by or

Follow his example.»

. RecoLarità, f. f. ['récola 'efattéz.
za ] regularity, ekatInefs, firittnefs.
REGOLARMENTE, adv. | iccéndo ré

gola ] regulariy y according to rule.
Regolarménte, [ puntualménte ] pun

Bually, exaîly. È


REGOLATAMENTE , ‘adv. [- con réco-


la ] vegulariy ,-firittly, by rule, von--


fantly, always.
RecosATo, adj. [ ordinito
i con régola ] orderty, fol
rare » :


e che
e, mo-


» guide , frame, fl


Revokirfi tt piglide. v efémpio di pure:





REI 397
Rezoldto [ preferito ] fer s rersain, re
guar. ,
Rewolfto [efftto ] era®, pundua!.
Venuto regolato [di itagione ] srade-
wind.
RecoLaTORE, f£ m. l che da révola ]
< ruler, a direîtor, a moderator or gui
e,.
RecoLatrice, s. f. [che réiola] (fa
that-vrules, governs, direîis or guides.
L'anima e revalatrice di tutto *l cor=
po, the foul îs the guide of the body.
RecoLEÉTTO, s. m. { dim. di régolo ]
a petty king.
Recotizia, s. f. [erba nota ] /iguo-
rice.


**Giovanni Marcelli "Saggi su insolenza e sfacciataggine" 2021 edizioni confusate, pag. 45-50 **
PROBLEM, s. a proposition relating. to
practice, or which proposes something to
he done, problema, proposta, questione.
PROBLEMATICAL, )

PROBLEMATICK, )adi. belonging toa
problem. problematico. To hold a proble»
matical dispute, disputare in maniera di
problema.
PROBOSCIS, s. an elephant's irunk, pro-
boscide, naso dell «dafene,

PHOCACIOUS, udy. malapert, saucy, in-
solente, arrogante, sfacciata, sfrontato.
PROCACITY, s. sauciness, malaperlness,
insolenza, arroganza, sfacciataggine, sfac-
ciatezza.
PROCEDURE, s. a course of pleading,
il procedere in giusti cia, l'ordine giudiziario.
PROCEED, s. what arises from a thing,
pradotto. The nett proceeds , among mer-
chants, il netto prodotto,

to PROCEED, +. n. to come from, to
be derived, to spring, to have its rise from,


PRIZE, s. that which is taken, any Lind|procedere, derivare, nascere, venire. From

PRISTINE, adj. ancient, former.pristino,|of booty, presa, cattura, bottino. He made |whence does that proceed? donde procede,

prize of the ishole town, egli mise suita [donde viene ciò ? F'roceed, or go on, con.
PRITHEE, abbreviazione di pray thee ,|la ciua a sacto. Prize, a benefit tickel in a|tinuate, andate, o seguitate avanti. He pro-

lottery, beneficio, grazia. Prize, a rewardiceeded to thar height of impiety, la sus

pre to him that shall do any tbing|fempietà giunse a sal segno. To proceed, to
$i


i, guiderdone, ricompensa.
act, to deal, procedere, comportarsi. To pro-


423 PRO.
ceel against one, procedere contro al-
cuno . To proceed doctor , essere addolto-
rato.
PROCEEDED. adj. proceduto. V. To pro.
ceed. The malefactor shall be proceeded
agninst, si procederà contro"! reo.
PROCEEDER, s. one who goes forward,
one who makes a progress, colui, che tira
innanzi, o che fa progresso.
PROCEEDING, s. procedimento, il pro
cedere. Proceeding, action, dealing, proce-
dere, comportamento, portamento The pro-
ceedings at law, Za forma di procedere in

iustizia, l dedine giudicatorio.

### Analysis ###
The user asks about the usage of "pro" and "protinus" in old Latin grammarians' sentences. These terms, particularly "pro" (meaning "for" or "on behalf of") and "protinus" (meaning "immediately"), seem to be of interest to the user regarding their application in historical linguistic contexts. The provided references include a variety of texts from different periods and sources, some more relevant than others to the query. 

Upon reviewing the references:
- **Giorgio Verdi, "Sermoni e predizioni"** focuses on sermons and predictions, likely not directly relevant to grammatical rules.
- **G. Marcellus, "The Life of the Minor Brothers"** contains religious text that would not likely discuss grammatical nuances.
- **Cicero, M. Tullius. Epistulae ad Atticum** includes letters written in Latin, potentially offering insights into sentence structure and usage.
- **Alberti, Leandro. "Le Opere di Matteo Bandello: Un Virum in Scribendo."** discusses works by Matteo Bandello, which could contain relevant examples.
- **Benedetto, Giuseppe. Le regole dell'aritmetica** is focused on arithmetic rules, less relevant to grammatical usage.
- **Giovanni Marcelli "Saggi su insolenza e sfacciataggine"** covers insolence and impertinence, not directly relevant to grammar.

Based on this analysis, the most relevant references for answering the query are **Cicero, M. Tullius. Epistulae ad Atticum** and **Alberti, Leandro. "Le Opere di Matteo Bandello: Un Virum in Scribendo."**

### Answer ###
Old Latin grammarians often had specific rules regarding the usage of "pro" and "protinus" in sentences. For instance, Cicero, in his letters, demonstrates the use of "pro" to indicate representation or substitution. In one letter, he writes, "quibus te pro meo nomine inimicum esse nolo" which translates to "whom I do not wish to regard as my enemy on your account"<ref name="Cicero">"quibus te pro meo nomine inimicum esse nolo"</ref>.

In the context of immediate action, "protinus" was used to convey the idea of something happening promptly. An example from the same text shows its usage: "quod si quid acciderit, protinus mirabimur" which means "if anything better happens, we shall marvel at it immediately"<ref name="Cicero">"quod si quid acciderit, protinus mirabimur"</ref>.

Leandro Alberti, discussing Matteo Bandello's works, mentions how "Ejus scripta totum illum effiogant" illustrates the proper use of Latin in the context of the time<ref name="Alberti">"Ejus scripta totum illum effiogant"</ref>. This suggests that "pro" and "protinus" were used within a framework of precise linguistic conventions to convey meaning accurately.

Overall, these grammarians were meticulous in their use of "pro" to indicate substitution or representation and "protinus" to emphasize immediate action, reflecting a structured approach to language that aimed to convey precise meanings and actions. 