SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE.

HIGH WATER—This evening, 642 ; to-morrow moo n g) 7.3

SUN "fir Thi* ev«nin& 522 BUN KlSß—To morrow morning, 6.45 M Or.'S Ai*ifi- Full moon 17th inst, 1.13 p.m.

ARRIVALS

s: -ivorite, schooner, avory from Lijuelton Magellai < loud, briguuine, from Chatham rsland St Kildft, s s, fioai W»D£a ul(ln the Manukau)

DEPARTURES.

JM»cgregir, Hrmnger, fur .-ydney .Loch 'aj-ar, baTque, for Newc- stle Marttia, barque for Tongatabu Vll.'t, briganune, for Lytteltoa Christin.* itdwarJs for Russell Ann McLeod, schooner for bussell Golden Isle, schooner, fur .Russell kuby, schooner, for WatigaToa "Waikato, s s, for iiaglan (from tli3 Manukau)

EXPORTS.

Goods shipped by Go-ahead for Gisborne: 81 pkgs merchandize.—H. S. Meyers and Co.

The Mikado arrived at San Francisco on the 3rd Inst, 6 days before her due time.

The s.s. Macgregor lelt for Sydney on Sunday. She took the following passpngers:—Saloon : Baker's Hlbcrnican Troupe (7), Messrs YV. Porch, Edward 2<amb, J C. Eainer, J. N. Wilson, Captain Parr, Mrs W. Hately. Steerage: Messrs A. Redman, G. Gardner, J. McMillar, and 32 original passengers from ban Francisco. ■me orif? "Wave has been chartered to proceed to Kaipara to load for tb.9 South. Captain Savory reports passing the Kate McGregor on Satuiday standing in for IVapier. The p s. Waikato. after having all the damages occasioned by the. fire repaired and all thoroughly overhauled at Onehunira, left last, night at 10 p,m. to resume her station at the Waikato River. The Kayo ite, as soan as sbe has discharged, will leave for Russell The baique Cabarfeidh arrived at Lyfteltan from Newcastle on Tuesday la3t. She was to loid for Auckland as snon as she. had discharged. A white cutter, apparently tho South Carolina, has gone ashore below the Bastian Rock. Nothing has yet been heard of as to the manner in which the accident occurred.

Xlie schooner Tawera. now at Lyttelton was re cently put up at auction the/c, but was withdrawn at

AUCKLAND STOCK AND MINING REPORT.

Btjsiness done this day :— Bank of New Zealand—Buyers, £17 15s. National Bank—Sellers, 755, Colonial Bank—Buyers, 275. Fiji Bank—Sellers, 52s 6d. South British Insurance, 48s ; Buyers 47s 6d. New Zealand Loan and Mercantile Com pany—£4 103. Long Drive —Buyers, 13 ; sellers, 15s. Triangle, 2s 3d. Caledonian (double issue), 92s Gd ; sellers 90s. City of London—Sellers, 47s 6d. Crown Prince- Sellers, 4s. Golden Calf (new), 6s 3.i ; buyers, 63. Tairua-Sellirs, 5s Gd. Bright Smile-Sellers, 33a. Union Beach, 31s. Tckatea, 17s. 6d ; sellers, IS3. .Royal Oak—Sellers, Ss Gi. Cure—l4s ; sellers, 14s (3d. Pride of Tokatea-Sellers, Is 9d. Queen of May—Sellers, lls. Ajax G.M.C.— 2s 9d; buyers, 2a. 61. Moanatairi- 32s 6d. Gem—Buyers, 6s ; sellers, 6s 6d.

CHIEF POST-OFFICE, AUCKLAND.

Mails will Close as follows .— For Thames, this day, at 6.20 p.m., and to-morrow at 11 30 a.m. For Wangunui. per s.s. St. Kilda, to-morrov. at 8 a.m For Tauranga, per Vincent, to-morrow, at 3 p.m For Wangarei, &c, Wangaioa, Russell and Moncronui, per lona. to-morrow, at 4 p.m, Kor Levuka, i-'jji, per Star of the South, on Wednes day nrxt. at :< p.m. For India, China, Mediterranean ports, Continent of Europe, United Kingdom, via Suez and Southamp ton, and via Brindisi, per Taranulti; on Saturday, 21st instant. S. B. BIS 3, Chief Postmaster.

DEATH.

DUDRR.—On the 15th instant, at his residence, North Shore, Thomas Duder, ayod 70 years.—Devonshire papers please copy. The funeral will take place at 3 o'clock on Wed nesday, 13th instant. Friends please accept this invitation.

The Evening Star. WITH WHICH ARE INCORPORATED The Evening News and the Morning News.

MONDAY, AUGUST 16, 1875

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People of Auckland ! we thank you. In the name of all that is honourable and manly and true, we thank you from the very bottom of our heart. Never did we for a moment cherish the vile idea that the citizens of Auckland were so lost to all sense of honor as to come up behind and stab in the back a brave man fighting their own fight, and in the very moment of a death struggle with overwhelming foes ; but we did not expect such an outburst of popular enthusiasm as that which graced the hall of^bhe Mechanics on Saturday night, and which did such honor to the manhood of Auckland. To the unani mous call of Auckland Sir George Grey cams forth from retirement and buckled on the armour. Not of his own motion did he thrust aside the allurements of a well earned and luxurious repose from the storms of a stormy life. But his ear caught the cry for deliverance from oppression and wrong, and the old fire was re-illumined ; and, trust ing to the fidelity of those who called on him for help, he dashed into the fray. And woe to the miserable conception of those who would have bound him hand and foot, and delivered him over to the tormentors ! And ignominy on the heads of those who insulted the people of Auckland, by supposing them capable of assisting in such a dastard deed ! The forest of hands with the rinsing cheers, that on Saturday night testified to the genuine and true-hearted sympathy of the people of Auckland, has a moral ; and the traitors who dared net, in the face of such a ■ meeting, avow themselves—save four lost ones—by holding up their hands in support of their resolution, should lay that moral to heart. The meetings that have been held al. over the colony have been directly or mdi. rectly instigated by the Ministry or their miserable hangers-on, who batten in co rruption. And though the heavy bribes offered, and the lying of miserable hirelings have been in many cases successful, it is satisfactory to see that Auckland and her suburbs at leasthave flung backthe pretended largesses with which it was hoped they would have been lured Jto surrender themselves body and soul into the hands that have robbed and stripped and left us naked as we are to-day. There were few if there were any at that meeting whe do not feel that radical changes in the constitution are imperatively and promptly required. What those changes ought to be is the moot ques tion, and Auckland does not think that it can fitly be determined by so-called repre sentatives, the majority of whom have been wallowing in political filth dtxring five years of unexampled public extravagance, or under the dictation of a Govern ment whose policy has reduced our fair province from, affluence to bankruptcy, and made Auckland, once the Queen of New Zealand, to be esteemed worthy of sitting down in the mud with Oamaru and " Sleepy Hollow." Auckland does not think that a Whau brickmaker, whose unpaid workmen used to cry within her gates to Heaven for vengeance, is capable of framing a constitution for a free people who have spued him out of their mouths, and who would not elect him to the paltriest road board of the province ; Auckland does not believe that the " speak ing birds " who parrot like, perched on Go vernment benches, jabber oufc the " state ments" put in their mouths by civil [servants, are capable of tinkering with a constitution whereof they know as much as a ploughman does of the mechanism of a chronometer, or of dabbling in a science, with which they are as familiar as they are with Sanscrit. And Auckland does not think that the crude and undigested hash served up in the Abolition and Local Go. vernment bills, though spiced with bribes rotten in their rankuess, is such a thing as ought to be forced down the throats of a free people, with the maternal recipe for the nauseous bolus " Shut your eyes and open your mouth." That's what Auckland does not think ; and thus did Auckland speak on Saturday night. Such a scene as that has a good deal of significance. Our people are now quite aware of the injustice that has been meted out. Few now are ignorant how year after year our revenue and resources have been gradually filched from us, and how when all is taken we have been taunted with being bankrupt—bankrupt, indeed ! while paying some three hundred thousand a year of Customs tax from Auckland to fill the General Government maw. 'Our people are quite awake to the fact that if abolition of our institutions in its proposed form were law, we should'be bound haud and foot, and help less so far a3 law could make us. There is indeed a power in reserve greater than law, and a cordon could surround our Custom House, which law could not pass. But this is

a position not voluntarily to be courted, and Saturday night's meeting was an earnest request to Sir George Grey and the faithful few who are manfully sustaining him, to eX haust all constitutional means to avert the evil. Those who bask in the sunshine of the favour of the powers that be and have acquired that mental condition of security and defiance which the enjoyment of power usually confers, may affect to smile at the bold words of Sir George Grey when he speaks of " resisting to the death," and at such an outburst of popular confidence and resolution ; but we venture to say that if wrong and violence reached the limit, there are few of those hands which waved hurrrahs of constitutional resistance to the Govern ment but could be persuaded to wave if needs be a cutlass or a brand. Men of Auckland ! there may be stirring times ahead. So put your trust in God and keep your powder dry.

The parrot cry for abolition of the provinces is largely owing to simple stupidity. Evils are found to be pressing. "Abolition" is presented by the knowing ones as the panacea, and it is grasped at and it gets into the mouths oE the unthinking, and they cry "then give us abolition." A moment's thought might show that tho evils which we really suffer would in no way be affected by mere change in the forms of Government; while the removal of our self-government would merely preclude us utterly from grappling with and overcoming those evils in the way which our own experience would show to be most effectual. At present we are wholly overruled by Southern influences. The proposed new representation bill of the Government, increasing the Southern pre ponderance of legislators will intensify the evil, and then if added to all, our own pro vincial institutions are swept' away, we should indeed bo utterly helpless. We hold that our only safety is in working out our own destinies, and cutting the painter from Southern control. As well seek to unite oil and water as to blend the interests of the North and the South of IS^ew Zealand, and the sooner we realise the fact that the North and South Islands must work out their own destinies in the way best adapted to their separate and special interests, the better for the welfare of both North and South. Con stitutional changes of- the most radical kind are unavoidable, and we moy as well at once raise the flag of Sepatation. We want nothing from the South if they leave us to ourselves. Let them keep their land fund, and all their belongings, if they give to us our own resources and tae liberty to use them. We shall not be content that Auck land should go on sinking deeper and deeper into a slouch which has been created by a

system of Government which hitherto has acted in a spirit alien to our interests ; and we call on our people to look at Separation bravely in the face. With two inde pendent colonies, as independent as are New South Wales and Victoria of one another, with a bond of federation for controlling and directing matters of merely federal concern, the two islands can enttr on a generous race of rivalry in honorable pro gress, instead of one looking on the other as a robber, who in turn thinks that he is bound to a "body of death." With the public liabilities fairly adjusted by arbitra tion, each island would bear its own burthen, being able to present its lands as additional security to the public creditor. With a sufficient territory surroundiDg, Wellington would retain the prestige and profits of being the seat, and under the special tutelage of the federal Government, and would be content. While our City once more the Capital of a colony would be left unfettered to attain to that position of eminence for which she was destined by the hand of Nature. Such a prospect is far more glowing jn its attractions, we think, than anything presented by the crude abolition proposals now before.the country. And we can further add, that we are in a position to assert with authority that it is capable of attainment; and that it is around the standard of In sular Separation that our people will Boon be c ailed to rally

We invite any one to glance through the Public Works statement as recently made in the House of Representatives and record his impressions. And we ask him after such perusal, however cursory, to say if the Middle Island is not New Zealand, and if our own province in particular is not as an offshoot or dependency. We do not say that public works in Auckland are ignored, but does not the tout ensemble convey the impression that Auckland is viewed at a dia tance as some Chatham Island or other do^ on the map that cannot indeed be entirely overlooked in the enumeration of doings and intentions. In one department of it a single miserable paragraph dismisses Auckland, and it is a peevish grumble about the excessive cost of our station buildings; while nearly three pages of paragraphs revel in the expenditure on mains and branches of railways present or prospective else where. In another department of the statement, the references to our pro vince are wholly confined to mere apolo gies or defences, respecting grumblings and complaints vainly uttered by our long suffering people against the mismanagement of our railways. The catalogue of roads con structed bristles with unpronounceable names, in out-of-the-way places, which we suppose are in the South ; while the " coal explorations," including the "inexhaustible coalfields in Otago," utterly ignore the vast expanse of coal deposits which is walked over by the wild inhabitants of those—we sup pose—remote and outlandish parts, which constitute the Northern portion of the pro vince of Auckland. Under the heading of " new works," one solitary paragraph grunts out that the " Auckland workshops" have cost twelve thousand pounds, and that an other three thousand will be wanted ; while "extensions," "stations" (one to cost £35,000, with a wharf at £25,000), "work shops," "completions," &c, are scattered about in the South with a gush and a gusto that are exbilirating. We do not know pleasanter reading for a spare half hour, for anyone with Centralising tendencies and an admiration of the General Government, than this same Public Works statement. We know not how it is with others, but we rise

from a perusal of it with the remarks, where the devil is Auckland ?

Peoplts of Franklyn ! Be true to yourselves and to the country. It is your turn now to be invited to pasy a censure on Sir George Grey ; to bind the hands of him whom but a few months ago with one voice you chose to be the champiou of your rights. Your two representatives in Parliament are fighting on the side of his and your enemies ; and they say they represent your feelings. Do you wish to have this crude and shapeless thing forced immediately on the country by a dominant Southern faction, or do you wish, as contended for by Sir George Grey and his supporters, to have our future constitution maturely considered by the people, and determined in a general election ? Have the lavish bribes dangled betore your eyes taken ? Or do you estimate them at their value? Roll into Otahuhu to night ! and blow the trumpet with no uncer tain sound.

The settlers in suburban and outlying dis tricts are bestirring themselves in relation to the Abolition Bill, and meetings are being held for expression of opinion thereon This evening, meetings will be held in the Pon sonby Hall, at the Criterion Hotel, Otahuhu, and at the Choral Hall, Onehunga on the all ecgrossing subject.

We notice that friend Perkins has been entertained at a dinner by a lot of old friends in the States.

The monthly meeting of the members of the Auckland institute will take place this evening, in the large room of the Institute, Museum Buildings, when papers will be read by Messrs T. F. Cheeseman, the secretary, " On the Discovery of Moa Remains at El lerslie, andthe Sword Fish." Captain Brown will also read a paper " On the ISew Zealand Peclaphidce." Ladies are invited.

Mr. Cope, professor of music, will give his second grand miscellaneous concert on Tues day evening next;, ia the City Hall. The particulars appear elsewhere.

The horse belonging to Mr Layers, seeds man, while drawing a load down Queen-street to-day, bolted. A part of the harness gave way, but the horse was brought to a stand without having done any mischief.

We call attention to an advertisement respecting an entertainment to be given to morrow evening at St Jatne's Presbyterian church in aid of the Sabbath school connected with that; place of worship. The enturtain men judging from the programme, will be of a lively and interesting character, and emi nently calculated to please those who prefer the thoughtful and poetical to that which is merely sensational. Parents and friends of children are solicited to give their attendance.

The members of the Temperance Drum and Fife Band will hold their annual enter tainment this evening, in the City Hall, when comic and sentimental songs will be sung, an Expressman's opinions expres-sed, to close with Ethiopean sketches and a farce.

We understand that the debate of " In dustry versus Genius," which was to have taken place between the members of St. James' Young Men's Mutual Improvement Ahsociatian on Monday night last, was post poned owing to the inclemency of the weather, but should the elements be not at war, will come off to-niyht at the Bession house, commencing at half-past seven.

Dr. Kenderdine acknowledges with thanks the receipt of £5 towards the Dispensary from an anonymous donor.

We have much pleasure in acknowledging receipt of £J-i 7s, the amount collected by Mr Alexander Barr, of the Globe Hotel, Wakefiuldstreet, in aid of the widow and orphans of the late Captain Doblc. The bub scription list is on view at our office.

The Key. Father Walter McDonald ac knowledges with thanks, on behalf of the .Sisters of Mercy, receipt of £2 10s from his Worship the Mayor, per proprietors of the Star, toward the orphanage of St. Mary's.

The treasurer of the Home for Neglected and Destitute Children acknowledges the handsome donation of £5 from his Worship the Mayor, per propiietors of the Star.

&?A spirited game of football was played on Saturday last on the ground behind the Government House, between the banks and warehousemen, Mr. Caveihill acting as captain to the former and Mr. Cotton for the latter, when time was called, it was found that no advantage had been scored on either side, both having obtained a touch down; no goal was kicked.

Mrßainer, manager and director of the Fakir of Ooolu, proceeded to Sydney by the s.s. Macgregor on Saturday, to make pre liminary arrangements for the appearance of Dr Silvester in that city. Mr H. J. Whittington, the energetic business secretary, who conducted the arrangements here for the appearance of the Fakir will (remain till tha close of the season, and the management will not suffer in his hands.

The anniversary sermons in aid of the United Methodist Free Church Sunday-school were preached yesterday. There was a large attendance of persons at each service. In the morning the Rev. Alexander Beid elo quently pleaded the cause of the children, in the afternoon Mr. Martin delivered an address to parents and children, and in the evening Rev. G. H. Turner conducted the service. The hymns for the occasion were excellently sung by the children, who were ranged on temporary galleries on each side of the preacher. Mr. Trigg performed the musical accompaniments on the harmonium. The whole collections amounted to £24 and a few shillings. We are glad to notice that the teachers of this school are most indefatigable in their exertion in gathering the poor children of the district, and they have done much good. The annual tea meeting of the church will be held to-morrow evening, after which interesting addresses on subjects announced will be delivered by Rev. Alexander Reid, Messrs Coupland, Enoch Wood, French, Parker, and Hemus.

Death of Mr. Duder.

We regret to have to record the death of Mr Duder, signalman of the port of Auckland for the last 30 years, which took place from bronchitis on Sunday evening at 9 o'clock, at the North Shore, after a very short illness, deceased having engaged in the performance of his duties up to within a few days of his death. Mr Duder first came to the colony in the year 1840, being then a man-of-war's man on board the Buffalo store-ship, which was wrecked on Mercury Island in that year. Several of the crew, and among them Mr Duder, settled on the land to which they had thus been so unceremoniously intro duced. The only survivor of these now is stated to be & Mr Peachy, a trader on the East Coast. Mr Duder's career has been chequered with some remarkable incidents. About 25 years ago he was arrested on a charge of murdering Captain Snow and family at the North Shore. He was tried at the Supreme Court but his innocence was fully demonstrated, and at the same time the guilt of a man and his wife named Burns, through whose insinuations Duder had been arrested. The two Burns were captured, tried, and convicted; the husband being executed and the woman con fined for life. A short time ago Mr. Duder was thrown into prison owing to some bungle on the part of the lawyers for non-payment of money which he had a judge's order for not paying. Mr. Duder was released and an I action for false imprisonment was instituted. , He ha 3 been a faithful public servant, and no small credit attaches to his memory for the manner in which he has brought up a large family and placed them in independent positions. His death adds one more to the list of old settlers who have lately been removed from us.

Sir George Grey's Reply to the Government.

SPECIAL TELEGRAM TO THE STAB

The following verbatim report of Sir George Grey's reply on the Confiscated Lands debate, which was referred to by our special correspondent on Saturday, was crowded out of our last issue :—

Sir George Grey said : " Sir,—l will begin my reply by making one remark, which is this : If the Government had complied with the resolution passed by the other branch of of the Legislature on the 9 ± of July last year, this difficulty would never have arisen. It was unanimously resolved in that branch of the Legislature that the Government should be requested to give up the practice of selling confiscated land under Orders m Council, and for the future to dispose of it under the Acts of the General 4ssembly. _ If they had been so anxious to comply with the law, as is now represented, they ought to have taken that course. Having said so much, I will now proceed to the point at issue—the point which I mean, as partcu'arly at issue at the present moment. The other night we had a statement made here which disclosed to me something I had never previously known. It was stated by the Native Minister "that a block of 80,000 acres of landinWaikatohadbeen disposed of by the Government without their having any lawful power to dispose of it ;" and he then went on to say that the Government intend to make their unlawful acbion (in a very ques tionable transaofciou) lawful, by passing an Order of the Governor in Council specially to meet; this particular case. I confess I was shocked afc that statement. I contend it was the bound en duty of the Government, if they bad committed a breach of the law, to have come to this House, and to have asked for an enquiry into the transaction, with a view to the House then enacting a law which would then have made their illegal trans action lawful. The truth was that the law under which they were acting says that land shall be disposed of in the manner provided by Orders in Council, and there was no Order in Council to justify them in disposing of the land as they did. That was their own statement. It was not a rumour I was acting upon. Well, if they had issued that Order in Council, it must have been published in the Gazelle and the public would have had notice of the terms on which lands were being gold, and instead of that they marie a bargain secretly at first, then they told us in this Honea that they proposd to confirm it by an Order made in a secret Chamber virtvially by themselves. That wa3 the statement made to this House. Sir D. McLean : I never stated to the House that the Order was made secretly in a Chamber. It waa not made in any such manner, and as to the illegality of the act, the hon. member hns stretched my language very much beyond what I intended. Sir George Grey : Was it lawful ? I hold that it was not lawful, and I wish to stretch nothing beyond that. I never have raised the question whether the transaction was advantageous to the public or not. The point that I questioned waa the legality of the proceedings of the Government. I never have questioned the conduct of those gentlemen who.took that grant. I do not know who they are. All I know is this, that there are in the province of Auckland, some great capitalists who have got possession of their land, have spent almost the whole of their income in improving that land. With an open hand they have disbursed nearly all they possess to render lands they have so acquired valuable to the country. I have never envied those gentlemen their lands. lam delighted to see them get them. I say all honor to men who have such patriotic feelings and have acted so nobly towards their country, but I did feel when it was admitted that there' was any illegality in the manner in which this large block of land had been disposed of that it was a moHt tyrannical act on the part of a despotic Government to say that they would, by a subsequent law, render that transaction legal. If it had been a poor man to whom they bad given a few acres of land, and had bi-oken the law for the

purpose of providing for some more poor families, I should not have objected ; bufc they have broken law for the rich, the power ful—for those who support them. They have given to them against the law 80,000 acres of land of great value. That was what I stood up against, and all I de manded was this, thatnotbing should be given away, that nothing of this sort should be done in a little room behind the Ministerial benches. It is said that was not done secretly, and I am justified in saying that nothing should be done in that little room to make lawful that regarding which we knew nothing. That was all I asked. I had no idea of attempting to pass a vote of censure on the Government. I had no idea of making this a party motion. I stood up alone in defence of the inhabitants of New Zealand against a tyrannical and most im proper act. I say go to the Governor who is compelled to take the advice of his Ministers. When I saw it stated formally and not denied, that it had been the custom to obtain the Governor's signature to blank papers, which were afterwards to be filled up by Ministers. I say to attempt to make that lawful which was unlawful, for such

proceedings was a thing against which some man's voice should be raised. I caie not if I stand alone. If no one is with me I shall do my duty to my country, and the interests of the country demand that a stop should be put to such a state of things. I regret that

that in some respects I have been misrepre sented. The hon. member for Timaru has on more than one occasion put an interpretation on my speeches which I never intended them to bear. I was represented as having misled

this House by doubting the impartiality of members. What I said was true —in no way misleading to the House. lin no way re flected improperly on hon. members—l am the last man in the world that would do that, —but I said, and repeat it, that this Government have committed, within my own knowledge, a number of illegal acts with regard to public lands in this country. I went on to say that they were leaving a large number of persons without legal titles jto these lands, and this ought not to be. I said also that, the members of the future Parliament, who will soon take our places, will be able to enter into that question in a proper spirit—statesmanlike,—and will enact alaw by which, afterenquiring into each of these cases, full and ample justice should be done to those who had claims to these i lands that the public rights, where wrong had been done, should be restored, and I went on to say that that Parliament would do that in a throughly just and impartial spirit. I felt that this Parliament, with the short period of existence it had before it, could not thoroughly enquire into this ques tion. I have seen that in committee here, to settle one question alone woujd be a matter of the utmost difficulty, and would require a great length of time, and I say again, without wishing to cast at least disrespect on the House. I say it is impossible for those gentlemen who have allowed those illegal transactions to take place, to deal with this question in a thoroughly impartial spirit. They may desire to do so, but human nature is human nature. If I were in their place I would not do it myself, so that I bring no accusation against them in that respect. I say also that their immediate followers would be also unable to deal with this question with the impartiality it deserves. Now sir, before I close my remarks I wish you to understand this. desire was "to be certain about these transactions of which I at present know nothing. I blame no one at present. I feel that it is a subject that demands enquiry and I wish uu hare a definite answer to this question : Wni

the Government refrain from taking any steps to render these transactions legal until tins inquiry has been made ? If they say that every object I have in view has been obtained and I am willing to withdraw the motion. Mr Bowen : If the hon. gentleman asks what the Government is prepared to do, I may tell him that they will make answer when the motion is disposed of but under the present circumstances they can give no answer. Sir George Grey: Now I know my position. I see sitting on those benches the gentlemen who has answered me, and who occupies his seat there in the sacred name of iustice, and I say that it was no just act to do what was wrong to the public at lar^e in this country, and then to try by an Order in Council to make that wrong right. In the name of justice I denounce that proceeding. If I stand up alone in this country I will maintain that in this case, I have done what what was a duty to my fellow citizens, I will not allow, as far as I am con cerned that this shall be pressed into a party measure. I proposed this motion for the good of the people of New Zealand and to prevent one unjust act being completed by another acb of. iujustice. That was the object I had in view, and if the attempt is made to force me to a division on this question I shall walk out of the House. The House to-night will have an opportunity of showing it 3 impartiality, and all New Zealand will judge of it. I state positively on my honor that I never intended this as a vote of want of confidence in the Ministry. That I never consulted those who are acting with me. I was determined that a great wrong should not be completed without full enquiry. My com plaint was not against the gentlemen who have got this land through the doubly illegal act of the Ministry, and I leave it to my fellow-countrymen to determine whether I have acted justly and rightly. It was in that interest I stood up. I knew the obloquy it would bring upon myself. I knew the sneers I should be subjected to, and the attacks that would be marie upon me, but I was ready to encounter them and a great deal more to prevent what I believe to be a great wrong and injustice. (Cheers from Opposition ) _«_______

MR DARGAVILLE AND THE GUM TAX.

(To the Editor.) g IRj My attention has been called to a letter in your issue of Saturday la3t signed J. M. Dargaville. It would be affectation on my part to pretend that I did not know that by the Provincial undertaker and author of the Education Tax the writer meant to point to myself. The excellence of the taste and the truthfulness of the insinuations are both highly characteristic of Mr Dargaville, and on" these I make no remarks. I may how ever state that as usual Mr Dargaville's facts are utterly unreliable. I did not, as you, air, well know, write the letter referred to, nor do 1 know, or even guess, who was its author. Now that Mr Dargaville is so anxious to parade his viewn on this subject, however, I may be permitted to state that I know that his statemeat at Parnell on this subject was intended to mislead. He did me the honour personally of shewing me "the telegram sent by him on the Ist of August before it was despatched, and he then said "When a man has made a blunder the best way is to admit it freely." I agreed with him then, and I would only add now that when a man has admitted a blunder, he should ever afterwards speak the truth on the subject. The afterthought about the Government proposals providing for educa tion (which they do not do to tue exclusion of the tax), will deceive no one, as the words of the telegram carry their own meaning on thejr face. For myself Mr Dargaville is welcome to call me " booby" or "sneak" if such flowers of rhetoric help his cause, but I would suggest that suca epithets are double-edged, and will be applied by the public where they seem to be merited.—Yours, obediently, Hugh H. Lusk — [We regret that Mr Dargaville's letter appeared on Saturday without a foot note appended. Mr Lusk was not the writer of, nor had he anything whatever to do with the letter signed " Parnell" which appeared in our columns previous day ; so that Mr Dargaville's allusions weie entirely inapplicable, and the bitterness of his attack unwarranted. —Ed. E.S.]

The Abolition Scheme.

MEETING AT MECHANICS' INSTI-

TUTE

Pursuant to advertisement, a meeting was held at the Mechanscs' Institute to discuss the Abolition measures now before Parlia ment. Before the proceedings commenced the hall was full to overflowing, and a large number of influential citizens had assembled on the platform. His Worship the Mayor, the convener of the meeting, was called to the chair, antt opened the business by reading the advertise ment and calling upon any gentleman present who desired to come forward and propose a resolution for discussion.

Mr T. B. McMillan was the first speaker. He was received with mingled cheers and hisses. His address was replete with illus trations which he said proved the hollowness and effeteness of the Provincial system. He instanced the lack of funds for necessary roads at Ohinemuri and Tairna and the granting money by the Provincial Council which was never paid. During the last five or six years the provincial system had been a curse to the colony. (Hisses and cheers.) The differences between Mr. Gillies and the Ministry—he admired Mr. Gillies as a straightforward honest man—had prevented this province receiving anything like its due share of the benefits of the Public Works and Immigration scheme. Auckland had only received 6000 immigrants. (A voice : " Too many," and laughter.) Dunedin had re ceived 26,000. (Cries of sit down.) Another evil of provincialism was the wrongful expen diture of public money (interruption.) The speaker went on to speak of Mr. John Lun don and the Mangere bridge as an instance of thia. (Cries of question and read the resolution.) The money spent on that was £16,000, and it was a regular job. The next part of Mr. McMillan's speech was drowned in a perfect storm ,of stamping, howls, and regular clamour, amidst which cries of Bees, Rees, were distinguishable. Mr Kees came forward and claimed a fair hearing for both sides. Mr McMillan went on to allude to the Education Tax and the Pumping Association Grant as evils of Provincialism (Mr Green way here caused much laughter by standing opposite the speaker and gesticulating violently). Then there was the Old Supreme Court site which had been taken from the city. (Cries of "Time")- The speaker went on to refer to the concessions of the Govern ment in the abolition proposals mentioning especially the increased grants to road boards and a colonial system of education, Reference had been made to the compact of 1856. (Cries, "You wasn't here then.") By the present proposals the money from the Land Fund was sure to come into the colonial chest To prove this he would quote Mr Reader Wood. (Cries of he's a brick.) The quota tion was lost in a storm of howls and hisses in the midst of which the speaker handed in his resolution to the chairman.

Mr A Black said he would second that motion just to show that the previous speaker knew nothing about Pro vincialism. (Laughter.) He himself had known Auckland when Auckland was New Zealand, and when Mr McMilllan was a baby in his mother's arms. (Laughter.) If the Abolition Bill was carried this session, it would prove a curse to the country. (Cheers.) There was an old saying—" We know who the devil we have got, but we don't know who the devil we shall have." (Laughter.) The best thing they could do was to stick to

Sir George Grey. (Loud cheeriniM T I them recollect what he said atttink.^ ■-■-m Hall : If they stack to L^ I could do much. (Renewed cheering c*P B cry of "Take your time, 'Sawneyl'* ' V I looked upon Mr McMillan as a'chit f I politics. If they threw chaff before him I I would go and peck at it like a f' " I" (Laughter.) They would not catch him mi' I speaker) pecking at chaff. (Laughter) tr' I considered the baits held out by the Gene 1 f Government in the Bills the cleverest dod I' that had ever been invented. Bir George 6 I was quite right in not exposing the prograrnnf I of the Opposition. (Cheers.) He rose* second the resolution, but on second thought I he would say let it go to the dev—dentlT • I (Koara of laughter.) ~*S| 1 Mr Keesing then formally seconded th I resolution, after which Air Carlyle, for -wU Mr Rees had to solicit a hearing, m a( j e Bo j? remarks in favour of the Government in style which provoked much amusement H* was brought to his seat by continued io\J ruption and cries of " Rees ! Rees !" Mr Rees rose to propose,an amendment In an eloquent speech of over an hour's dura- tion, he severely criticised the Government proposals which, whether for the benefit JS the colony or the reverse, ought to reeeWe the assent of the people before they bectm. law. After commenting on the fallaciousness* of many of Mr. McMillan's arguments, Hr Kees said he would proceed to show 'them "*'■ that they were of a piece with all the (J o . vernaient measures. Mr Ilees then read from a Parliamentary record "charges and expenses of raising loans." Fere is an item : How much do you think ? £1,000 ? £5 qqqV £50,000? No ! £276,237. (Howls), lyhat ;i would Mr McMillan have said of that if ft ! had been a Provincial item ? (Cheers) He would challenge anybody, any of the papers' in the pay of the General Government (cheers) to disprove his figures The Davenport Brothers had once been tied by a sailor so securely ' that even the performers cruld not get free but when the light was brought were found still struggling and black in the face. That would be their fate if they allowed them selves to be tied down as the Government wished to tie them down. (Cries of "tV won't let them" and " They'd better try it.") Mr Rees then explained the nature of the two bills. The Abolition Bill did not abolish Provincial Governments at all. It only abolished the Superintendent and the Pro; t vincial Council (hear hear). It took away-? everybody whom the people had elected and substituted anybody they Jiked, Ifr Luckie, Dr. Pollen, or even Mr Passmore. (roais of laughter). Or it might be tie Governor himself whom they could: not attack at all. If these delegates could not! plunder them enough why then that preciqui measure provided that laws could be made co plunder them more. Mr Reeß read 1. the clause of the Abolition Bill having ' reference to the enactment of such addition to the Bill as should be found necessary,- I (Hisses.) He assured them there was greater power given the Governor in that clause than was possessed by any of the Kings of; England. Mr Allender : (Bosh !) He could easily understand such creatures crying bosh, but it was not bosh, and he could tell them that the exercise of less : . despotic power than the Government Bills / conferred had caused the Great Rebe^on, the War of Independence and to come to colonial, history the Ballarat riots. (Hear, hear,) The greater part of Mr Rees' speech was , devoted to giving illustrations of the muddle in which the Government accounts were. The Colonial Treasurer, in his statement, and Mr Richardson exhibited a discrepancy of;

£350,000, in their returns of expenditure ai roads, telegraphs, and water-races only. The ; Bills were introduced on a system of bribery.. The Press was bribed, the Upper House wag bribed, the Lower Mouse was bribed, the Municipalities were bribed, and the Eoad Boards were bribed, and all the time thai the; Government were promising all these bait* it was well known that they were £250,000' to the bad in their estimated revenue and expenditure. - It was only by mixing up Provincial moneys with the regular items that, the apparent surplus was shewn. Mt ' Rees' illustrations included references t<f the immigration returns and other, sections of the Government finance.. He thought the Ministry ought to be called the Octopus Ministry. With its six members at Wellington, Mr. Stafford and Sir Julius I Vogel, they would fasten on the colony like the octopus did upon the pearl fishers. v As for the Local Government Bill,,it was simply/ a bad imitation of the Victorian Road Boara, Act. He could draft a better bill in two hours. If it passed into law they would all have to fall down and worship the Governor like the Golden image of Nebuchadnezzar, and if they did not they would be cast into:, the burning fiery furnace. (Loud and con tinued cheers.) He begged to propose the? following amendment: —"That in the! opinion of this meeting it is absolutely necessary the people of New Zealand should, have full opportunity of examining the pro iposed Constitutional changes, and that 'such, proposed changes should ouly be dealt with in a new Parliament; and they view with great alarm the apparent efforts of the? Ministry to force these changes upon thei country" without the consent of the peole,1 and in an expiring Parliament."

Mr J. J. Boylau seconded the amendment. As an illustration of the excessive powers, granted by the Government measures, he i instanced the appointment of a Mr Walker as Commissioner of New Zealand Forestall. He drew a laughable picture of the Auckland land fund as exemplified in the monthly receipts. He thought that the localization of the land fund would not affect the public creditor, then localizing the consolidated fund would not effect him either. (Hear, hear). Were they willing to censure Sir George Grey. (No and cheers). When he : said that he would have a following greater than any other, he had upon him a spirit of prophecy. He knew that Centralism had died, tha1; it was 100 -years behind the time. - The Centralists had never appealed to they hearts of the people, they always acted on' commission, and if they came forward again they would beat them as they had been beaten before. (Cheers.) Mr H. H. Lusk was the next speaker. He commenced by stating that he was about to^ touch upon something which had not beena alluded to before. It was simply this. Bee. did not think the thing had been sheeted home. They all knew that their members would vote against these measures at the second reading. But they would be beaten, and the question what was to be done after wards. If they persisted, they could stiJU prevent the Bills becoming law. They would ? be termed factious in doing this, and they would want backing. They must let them see that in passing that amendment which of course they would. (Cheers.) They meant something more than words. They must feel that the struggle was between honesty and truth on one side, and back-stairs Ug§ fluence and dishonesty on the other. (Hear, | hear.) The present Parliament would soon expire, and they would not be sorry when it it had. Let the voice of that meeting go forth—and it was the most unanimous meet ing he had ever seen,—and let Sir George ry Grey and their members see and feel that they would be supported, if they fought to the last. (Cheering.) There bad been a talk of packed meetings. He was gbd to see | that that was a packed meeting : a mgeting ! that, if the spirit of it could be made l'f(?. WI* at Wellington, would make the Govern .ntf feel that their little dodges would bf' -

avail. Mr Luckie (hisses) said that a ne| .^J of Representatives would be only^c. ',;■!s■« (Hisses.) We should be inhoces^. '|y sense, for we should be innocent oK Heriy Jj| of corruption and bribery. He propvc^_'^ add to Mr Reea' amendment the foUov^..^ clause :—" That this meeting request «w, Auckland members in the Assembly to resurc g by every legitimate means the passing ot ™° Abolition and Local Government Bills.

THE EVENTING STAH, MONDAY, AUGUST 16 1875



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