Tag: Showboating
Showboating
Whose Time Is It? Depends On Who You Ask
Posted on October 19, 2021 by Jason Turbow
When Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez left the mound yesterday, it was as a hero to his team. By the time he reached his dugout he had something else to think about.
Rodriguez went six innings for the Sox, holding Houston to three runs on five hits while picking up the win in a 12-3 victory in Game 3 of the ALCS. The last of his 18 outs came courtesy of a Carlos Correa ground out. It was the third time on the day Rodriguez had retired Correa, who didn't even breach the infield.
On his way down the mound, Rodriguez pointed to his wrist. It was a subtle gesture, but unmistakable. It wasn't Correa's time.
Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodríguez mocked Carlos Correa's "it's my time celebration" after getting him out for the third time tonight, and Boston manager Alex Cora was not happy about that pic.twitter.com/POGnfMMm6i
— Jomboy Media (@JomboyMedia) October 19, 2021
Correa is a self-professed keeper of clock, particularly during the playoffs. He made this clear after hitting a seventh-inning homer in Game 1, when he threw his bat, admired the blast and, looking into his own dugout, pointed exuberantly at his wrist while shouting, "It's my time!" His teammates had urged him to do it, he explained to reporters later.
So it only made sense that Rodriguez gently mocked the man after besting him in Game 3.
Boston manager Alex Cora wanted no part of it.
As soon as he saw the display, Cora began yelling, "No!" and "Don't do that!" When Rodriguez reached the dugout, the manager took a moment to speak directly into his ear. After the game, Cora laid it all out for reporters.
"We don't act that way," he said. "We just show up, we play and we move on. He knows. I let him know. We don't have to do that. If we're looking for motivation outside of what we're trying to accomplish, we're in the wrong business. The only motivation we have is to win four games against them and move on to the next round."
There are a couple of ways to look at this. Under the modern baseball landscape, Correa is allowed to celebrate. He wasn't showing up the pitcher or the Red Sox. He faced his own dugout while doing his wrist thing. It was strictly an internal matter, and entirely acceptable under the auspices of Let the Kids Play.
As far as I know, Cora made no public comment about Correa's actions. He did not seek on-field retribution. He was willing to let the Astros be the Astros, and devote his attention to the playing of baseball.
Now we know that when it's his guy doing the thing, it's different.
At this point, even the old-school holdouts who still decry shenanigans like Correa's must accept that this is the way baseball is now played. Alex Cora appears to be among their ranks. The Astros clubhouse is not his business. The Red Sox clubhouse is. And when one of his guys does something about which he disapproves—it should be noted that Rodriguez's showboating was directed toward the opposition, unlike Correa's initial salvo—he has every right to address it.
After Correa's home run in Game 1, we got a telling statement from Hansel Robles, the pitcher who gave it up. "It did not bother me," he told ESPN about the slugger's It's my time gesture. "Correa is one of the best hitters in baseball; you cannot make mistakes against him. But I did think for a moment … the standing at home plate … pointing to the watch … sometimes some of that stuff is a bit overboard. But let me tell you something, I have no reason to be mad at Correa. I am the one who made the pitch. In that at-bat, he did his job; I did not do mine."
Don't like it, but no hard feelings. Seems in line with the tenor of his manager.
Alex Cora has every right to set whatever expectations he wants for his players. If they don't like it, if they rebel, if he loses the room, then he won't be long for his job. In the meantime, the guy is on the cusp of the World Series, which on its own counts for quite a bit. His team is playing his brand of baseball, which is exactly how it should be.
Retaliation, Showboating
Up 13-1, Cardinals Had Leeway To Respond To Atlanta However The Hell They Pleased
Posted on October 10, 2019 October 12, 2019 by Jason Turbow
Tensions are heightened come playoff time, which may explain why Ronald Acuña Jr.'s excitable response to his ninth-inning, two-run homer off of Carlos Martinez in Game 1 of the NLDS proved so annoying to the St. Louis pitcher. Acuña had absolutely smashed the ball—455 feet, as measured by Statcast—to close the Cardinals' lead to 7-5, and gesticulated wildly toward his teammates in the Braves dugout as he rounded the bases.
In his first three playoff games at SunTrust Park, Ronald Acuña Jr. has four hits, two walks and two home runs.
(via @Braves) pic.twitter.com/EABadSHe5Q
— FOX Sports: Braves (@FOXSportsBraves) October 4, 2019
This followed a notable moment in the third, when Acuña failed to run hard out of the box on what he assumed would be a home run, but which ended up as a single when the ball bounced off the wall. Acuña ended up stranded on base when he might otherwise have represented what would be a vital run for his team.
Ronald Acuña Jr.'s average home to 1st time this season was 4.2 seconds.
It was 6.2 seconds here. A 331-foot single.
(Via @statcast) pic.twitter.com/yxXEzyOvWt
— Paul Hembekides (@PaulHembo) October 4, 2019
Acuña's home run celebration was enough to shake Martinez to the point that he had to be calmed down by Yadi Molina. The right-hander then gave up an even longer home run two batters later, to Freddie Freeman, although he did finally close out what would be a 7-6 victory. Martinez was so upset after the game that he closed out the game by screaming at the Braves dugout, then said afterward: "I wanted [Acuña] to respect the game and respect me as a veteran player."
And so we find ourselves back in the no–man's–land of baseball celebrations, which have been officially sanctioned by the commissioner's office even while a number of pitchers continue to bristle at them. Would Acuña's antics have drawn notice had his Game 1 homer given his team the lead, rather than coming as it did with the Braves up, 3-1? Would Martinez have cared less had Acuña not already pulled something similar, with disastrous results, earlier in the game? Who knows?
Typically, the postseason is not a place to settle old scores. Even a remote possibility that an ill-timed retribution HBP can come back to bite you is enough to keep teams in line until stakes are lower. Sure enough, the series' second, third and fourth games never saw either club with a lead of more than three runs.
Game 5, however, was different. St. Louis scored 10 in the first, one in the second and two more in the third, and led 13-1 when Acuña stepped in against Jack Flaherty with two outs in the fifth inning. Flaherty drilled him in the upper arm. Acuña slowly made his way to first base, chirping toward the mound all the while.
Warnings issued after Jack Flaherty hits Ronald Acuña Jr. pic.twitter.com/L5BIwI8ujN
— handlit33 (@handlit33) October 9, 2019
The evidence against the pitch being intentional: There was a runner on; it came on the fifth pitch of the at-bat, with three of those pitches being strikes (including a foul ball); it was a fastball, but not Flaherty's fastest, the two-seamer coming in at just 90 mph.
The evidence for it being intentional: Apart from the history between the teams, it was mostly the Flaherty's comments after the game. Via Jeff Jones: "It hit him. He took exception to it. That's the guy he wants to be. That's how it is. He's been having all his antics all series. The guy hits a ball off the wall, he gets a single out of it. So he wants to take exception to it, he can do whatever he wants. He can talk all he wants. But we tried to go in, we talk, our scouting report is go in, we go in. So it got away, it hit him. He wants to take exception to it, he can do whatever he wants."
Sure sounds to me like a guy with a grudge.
Flaherty denied intent as part of his diatribe against Acuña, but Cards skipper Mike Shildt seemed to feel otherwise in his postgame speech to the team after they finally put Atlanta away.
Mike Shildt:
"The [Braves] started some shit. We finished the shit. And that's how we roll. No one fucks with us ever. Now, I don't give a fuck who we play. We're gonna fuck them up. We're gonna take it right to them the whole fucking way. We're gonna kick their fucking ass." pic.twitter.com/2J7jyJc60O
— STLSportsCentral (@stlsportscntrl) October 10, 2019
The primary takeway after a game like that is that with a 12-run lead, pitchers with malice aforethought have leeway to do whatever they think is right, even during a playoff game. The Braves have all winter to consider this, and how they might respond come next spring.
The Cardinals, meanwhile, now on to the NLCS, have more pressing matters on their minds.
Let The Kids Play, Showboating
MadBum Gets Angry, Does Some Shouting, Gives Up Dong, Yells At A Guy, Loses Game
Posted on June 10, 2019 July 30, 2019 by Jason Turbow
For many years, Madison Bumgarner has cultivated an image of being extremely attuned to the unwritten rules of his sport, serving as baseball's hardline arbiter of on-field behavior. Flip a bat against the cow-punching North Carolinian and you'll hear about it. Same if you run too slowly around the bases.
At Oracle Park on Sunday, however, MadBum revealed a bit too much. Today's headlines are all about the left-hander's response to Max Muncy taking him deep (plus Muncy's response to Bumgarner, which we'll get to in a bit). Muncy's homer hurt: he plays for the hated Dodgers, he hit it as the second batter of the game, and the blast carried all the way into McCovey Cove. Before Muncy could even make it to first base, Bumgarner was all over him, chirping about taking too long in the batter's box. Muncy responded as he circled the bases, and the feud was on.
MAD. MAX. pic.twitter.com/65q7saXtgl
— Los Angeles Dodgers (@Dodgers) June 9, 2019
The main problem with Bumgarner's red-ass was that there really wasn't much to get red-assed about, to the point that even Giants broadcaster Mike Krukow, while trying to explain the situation, could describe the hitter's post-homer steps only as "that little walk."
Bumgarner vs. The Dodgers tends to get a little heated: pic.twitter.com/WSMPwWEEkX
— Alex Pavlovic (@PavlovicNBCS) June 9, 2019
After the game, Bumgarner gave a light-hearted recitation for the media about what happened. His comments included snippets like, "I can't even say it with a straight face, but the more I think about it, I should just let the kids play—but I just … I can't," and, in response to a question about the game changing, "They want to let everybody be themselves, then let me be myself. That's me."
Bumgarner was asked about his exchange with Muncy after the game. He was adamant that he's not changing:
"Let me be myself, that's me. I'd just as soon fight than walk or whatever."#SFGiants pic.twitter.com/1R06rb439B
— KNBR (@KNBR) June 10, 2019
It's a continuation of the conversation we've been having all year about pitchers who might not be entirely on board with the modern era of officially sanctioned on-field celebrations.
That, though, is not what this post is about. The detail that many reports overlook is what immediately preceded Muncy's blast. Against Kike Hernandez, the game's very first hitter, Bumgarner got into a shouting match with plate umpire Will Little about the strike zone, which grew heated enough to draw Little toward the mound. Following some chirping from the Giants bench, the ump issued a cross-field explanation that can easily be read as an informal warning.
This was clearly on Bumgarner's mind when he missed wide with his first three offerings to Muncy before leaving one up, in the slugger's wheelhouse.
Madison Bumgarner yells at Max Muncy, a breakdown pic.twitter.com/7hJQDnlWXk
— Jomboy (@Jomboy_) June 10, 2019
Baseball history is littered with the corpses of players whose weakness has been discovered by the opposition and subsequently exploited. Perhaps this is Bumgarner's. Pitching in the ninth inning of the World Series doesn't seem to faze him nearly as much as some perceived slight by the opposition. This has long viewed by outsiders as a motivational tactic—something to keep the pitcher's competitive instincts honed. (Lord knows, it's happened before.) This is supported by the fact that Muncy's homer was the only run MadBum gave up as part of a fabulous performance. If the pitcher needs swagger to succeed, then swagger he shall deliver.
Still, Bumgarner was done in by his momentary lapse, one disastrous pitch serving as the difference in a 1-0 ballgame.
In the big picture, yelling at a guy is preferable to drilling him, especially for something like this. Also in the big picture, if Bumgarner can figure out a way to keep things a bit more contained—just enough to avoid the occasional slip on a day when he's clearly dominant—it'd be better for everybody.
Then again, had MadBum been a little less mad, we would never have gotten Muncy's response: "If you don't want me to watch the ball, you can get it out of the ocean." It doesn't actually make sense, but at least it sounded pretty good in the moment.
"If you don't want me to watch the ball, you can get it out of the ocean." 😂@maxmuncy9 on his 1st inning HR off Madison Bumgarner. pic.twitter.com/lBSkGADMQd
— SportsNet LA (@SportsNetLA) June 9, 2019
Bat Flipping, Retaliation, Showboating
Wednesday's Lesson In MLB: Try Not To Accidentally Hit Guys With Whom Your Team Is Already Beefing
Posted on May 30, 2019 by Jason Turbow
Perception is everything, and precedent feeds perception. On Wednesday, baseball saw two games with hotly contested hit batters, and while there is a strong possibility that neither was intentional, recent history has led those at the wrong end of the pitches to leap to some obvious conclusions.
Let's start in Chicago, where the White Sox' series with Kansas City was already steeped in contention, given that the last time these teams met resulted in a rhubarb over a Tim Anderson bat toss. The Royals have already paid him back for that, so when they did it again on Wednesday—pitcher Glenn Sparkman bouncing a ball off of Anderson's head—the situation appeared ready to explode.
Except for this: It was the second inning of a 2-1 game, with nobody out and a runner on first. Also, it was a changeup—not the type of heat-seeker ordinarily utilized for nefarious purposes. For what it's worth, the pitch merely grazed the brim of Anderson's helmet—a terrible location to be sure, but more indicative of a ball that's riding up and in than a missile aimed at an earflap.
Do you think Tim Anderson was thrown at intentionally? #MLBTonight pic.twitter.com/vqDHaEo4VL
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) May 30, 2019
Anderson seemed to realize all of this. Hell, the pitch didn't even knock him down. While visibly frustrated, he more or less just stood in the batter's box, helmetless, staring down Sparkman. Anderson's lack of response was no doubt abetted by umpire Mark Carlson, who emerged from behind the plate and quickly tossed the befuddled pitcher from the game. ("It was a changeup," Sparkman can be seen explaining on replays. Even Anderson said later that he felt the pitch was accidental.)
Had the Royals not already targeted Anderson this season, of course, there's almost no chance that Sparkman would have been tossed. As it is, optics are important and Carlson did not want this game to get away from him. Sometimes it's hard to be an umpire.
In Cincinnati, meanwhile, the game was getting away from the Reds, as Pittsburgh built up a 7-0 lead by the eighth inning. That's when Pirates reliever Clay Holmes drilled Eugenio Suarez in the hand with a 94-mph fastball. There were some moments of immediate heat—Suarez approached the mound for before being led away by catcher Elias Diaz—but things cooled quickly. X-rays proved negative and Suarez is day-to-day.
Eugenio Suarez has some words for Pirates reliever Clay Holmes after getting drilled on the hand.#BornToBaseball | @Reds
STREAM: https://t.co/YkPeBsFtuW pic.twitter.com/ciAyicrmtC
— FOX Sports Ohio (@FOXSportsOH) May 29, 2019
"I don't know if they are going to hit me on purpose," Suarez said after the game in a MLB.com report. "That's why I walked up to him and asked him if he hit me on purpose. He said, 'No. Definitely not.' I just said I wanted to make sure because I don't like that pitch up and in, right on my face."
This is believable. Holmes has walked 15 batters in 15⅔ minor league innings this season, and has issued seven free passes in 13 innings since being called up. Outstanding control does not appear to be his thing.
That didn't prevent Reds manager David Bell from having a say about what had just gone down. So vehement was he when he came out to argue about the pitch that umpire Jeff Nelson ejected him.
Again, this is where optics matter.
In April, Pirates starter Chris Archer threw a pitch behind Derek Dietrich in response to the slugger taking an unusual amount of time to watch a home run that ended up in the Allegheny River outside PNC Park.
Derek Dietrich sends a souvenir into the river. 😳 pic.twitter.com/BcZ4EJfreJ
— Cincinnati Reds (@Reds) April 7, 2019
In April 2018, Pittsburgh's Jameson Taillon broke the selfsame Suarez's thumb with a pitch, costing the slugger three weeks. Later in the season, Taillon hit Suarez again, this time in the elbow. Never mind that none of the pitches appeared to be intentional, or that as a hitter Suarez could do a better job of turning his back toward inside pitches rather than leaning away from them with his hands exposed—a habit that got Jeff Bagwell's hand broken in three consecutive seasons. Hitting him again looks bad, so it must be bad.
Bell was fed up by the lot of it. He'd previously instructed his pitchers not to retaliate for such things. That stance may have changed.
"We know they'll do it," the manager told reporters after the game in a Cincinnati.com report, explaining his argument with the umpires. "I was doing what I could to protect our players. Clearly, we're not going to get protected. We've got to do whatever we can. We've got to take matters into our own hands. It's unfortunate that our players aren't going to get protected. That's been made clear, and we know that team will intentionally throw at people. What are you supposed to think?"
He continued.
"When someone is messing with your livelihood, your career, who knows? You've got to protect yourself. Clearly, we're not going to get protected by the umpires or the league. That's been made clear. Our players need to do whatever they need to do protect themselves. I'll back them whatever that is. For some reason, we think it's OK to throw at people. For whatever reason, that was OK many years ago, and we're still living some rules that I don't know about—that it's OK to intentionally throw at our players. The umpires think it's OK. The league thinks it's somewhat OK. Somebody's going to get hurt. We need to take as many measures as possible. Ours need to do whatever they need to do to stick up for themselves, protect themselves. They protect themselves, their career."
Bell has already proved to be angry about this topic to the point of incoherence. Still, the closest the Reds came to a response yesterday was when reliever Raisel Iglesias threw an up-and-in, 97-mph fastball to Bryan Reynolds with an 0-2 count, before eventually striking Reynolds out.
What we're left with is increasingly high tension. Bell has thrown down one gauntlet. Pirates broadcaster John Wehner threw down another on Pittsburgh radio, when he came down on Dietrich, of all people, for his homer-watching ways: "I can't stand him. … I don't understand why you have to do that. It's different if you're a Hall of Fame player, you're a 60-homer guy, you're an established guy. Nobody ever heard of him before this year."
Wehner also referenced Dietrich's grandfather, Steve Demeter, a longtime minor league coach in the Pirates system, who he said "is rolling in his grave every time this guy hits a home run. He's embarrassed of his grandson."
Let's ignore for a moment the very old-school notion of players earning whatever leeway they're afforded by the sport's unwritten rules; Wehner seems completely oblivious of the sea change that's occurred around baseball as pertains to celebrations.
However much they angered the Pirates and Royals, displays like Dietrich's and Anderson's are entering the mainstream, to the point of approval from MLB's own marketing department. Pitchers have the right to try and put a damper on them, but that tactic does not appear to be working very well as a method of dissuasion.
For those who are mad at Derek Dietrich, your hot takes have been duly noted and ignored. #LetTheKidsPlay pic.twitter.com/5DlPrTkeKE
— Cincinnati Reds (@Reds) May 28, 2019
At least Royals-White Sox and Reds-Pirates matchups, despite the meat-headedness therein, are far more interesting now than they were at the beginning of the season.
Bat Flipping, Let The Kids Play, Retaliation, Showboating
In Wake Of Sox-Royals Dustup, Letting The Kids Play Is Turning Into More Of A Headache Than Anybody Imagined
Posted on April 18, 2019 September 27, 2020 by Jason Turbow
Last year this would have been a story about Tim Anderson and his celebratory histrionics.
Hell, last year this was a story about Tim Anderson and his celebratory histrionics. Twice.
This year, however, celebratory histrionics come with a perspective. That is, Major League Baseball has putatively endorsed them via its "Let the Kids Play" campaign, which makes things confusing when pitchers respond to said histrionics with disdain.
Pitchers like Kansas City's Brad Keller, say.
Now, when Anderson does what Anderson is known to do—in this case, vigorously hurl his bat toward his own dugout after launching the 50th homer of his career—we're conflicted in the aftermath. Letting the kids play seems like a swell idea to fans, to executives and to an unknown portion of ballplayers, but there appears to be a significant percentage of pitchers who disagree.
🗣️LET THE KIDS PLAY. pic.twitter.com/VDUSiQpawx
— Cut4 (@Cut4) April 17, 2019
We had this conversation less than two weeks ago, when Pittsburgh's Chris Archer—a known showboat himself—expressed displeasure with Derek Dietrich's decision to pimp his homer by throwing a ball behind Dietrich in an ensuing at-bat. It was an old-school response that would have drawn little attention a generation ago … or maybe even last season.
But when the league itself encourages Anderson's kind of behavior, the entire circumstance gets cloudy. That's because the issue of respect is hardly one of clear delineation.
Are some bat flips okay, but others not? Anderson's was less insouciant toss and more angry spike. Did that somehow cross an ever-shifting line? Had he not turned toward his dugout—or, more pertinently, turned his back toward the Royals dugout—would it have been better received?
Ultimately, it doesn't matter. There's bound to be a transition period between one epoch and another, and right now we're stuck in a place where some players feel disrespected by some actions that many people—including baseball officials, apparently—would like to see more of. So when Brad Keller feels disrespected (or is sticking up for teammates who feel disrespected), there's bound to be a reaction regardless of corporate messaging.
Yesterday it was a fastball to Anderson's backside in his ensuing at-bat. Things did not end well. Anderson started yelling, but, restrained by catcher Martin Maldonado, never approached the mound. Still, dugouts and bullpens emptied, and tempers flared when White Sox manager Rick Renteria shouted for the Royals to clear the field, inflaming Kansas City bullpen coach Vance Wilson. Anderson, Renteria, Keller and Royals bench coach Dale Sveum were ejected.
Benches clear in Royals-White Sox after Brad Keller hits Tim Anderson in the 6th inning. pic.twitter.com/u9IhZ56AvP
— MLB (@MLB) April 17, 2019
We are here for Joe West literally holding back Ricky Renteria pic.twitter.com/J8X78yF7wZ
— White Sox Talk (@NBCSWhiteSox) April 17, 2019
In the aftermath, we're left wondering two things: How many players still care about this kind of stuff, and how long will that last?
The Royals have at least two of them on their roster. "Keller did the right thing," the pitcher's teammate, Hunter Dozier, said after the game in a Chicago Sun Times report. "He aimed for the lower body. Hit him. It should just be like 'OK, go to first and move on.' It shouldn't have been as big of a situation as it was."
Dozier is spelling out the party line from a previous generation, offering instructions that, while once status-quo, are now … well, who really knows? Dozier is 27. Keller is 23. Despite their old-school sensibilities, they seem an awful lot like the kids who the commissioner wants to let play.
This shift is clearly not going as smoothly as baseball's PR machine would have liked. We're stuck in a place where, when bat flipping becomes the new normal, showboats like Anderson have to up the ante simply to draw attention to themselves. Bigger antics. More vicious tosses. Sentiments like the one Renteria espoused after the game—"You want [Anderson] to not do that? Get him out"—might make sense to the vast majority of the population, but the key here is that upping the ante rarely sits well with pitchers, some of whom are bound to respond.
Ten days ago it was Chris Archer. Yesterday, it was Brad Keller. So long as hitters continue to push the celebratory envelope, there will always be a pitcher willing to respond.
Our only problem is that we continue to be surprised by it.
Update 1 (4-19-10): If you're gonna drill a guy, at least know when to do it.
Update 2 (4-20-19): There was some incredulity in the immediate aftermath that Anderson was tossed from the game, given his primary role as victim. We later found out that it was due to language so severe that he was eventually suspended for a game.
Update 3 (5-28-20): Keller confirms that he drilled Anderson on purpose.
Celebrate Good Times, Come On! (Or Don't, Depending On Your Perspective)
Posted on April 30, 2018 by Jason Turbow
It seems that there are some growing pains as baseball transitions from The Sport Of Tradition-Gripping Dryness to something a little bit looser. As it turns out, even those known to celebrate from time to time have limits.
On Saturday in Kansas City, Chicago's Tim Anderson hit a leadoff homer, proceeded to watch it, then unleashed some self-congratulatory invective as he rounded the bases. Royals catcher Salvador Perez took note while recalling that Anderson acted similarly after hitting a pair of home runs on opening day, also against the Royals. As the runner crossed home plate, Perez said something to him about it. Anderson patted him on the chest protector and trotted back to his bench.
Tim Anderson lead off tonight's game with our third leadoff home run of the week! pic.twitter.com/R7FkTc80GZ
— Chicago White Sox (@whitesox) April 29, 2018
Things picked up again in the bottom half of the inning, when Perez reached second base on an error and a two-out walk, at which point he opted to continue the conversation with Anderson. He and the shortstop ended up nose to nose, with teammates spilling out of the dugout to separate them.
#WhiteSox @ #Royals [Game 2]
Tim Anderson and Salvador Perez get into it at second base, which leads to the benches clearing, before Anderson and Perez make up (01:30)
MLB Gameday: https://t.co/wua5CHodGw pic.twitter.com/wziRupG780
— Ballpark Videos (@BallparkVids) April 29, 2018
"I don't have any problems with the guy hitting a homer, taking a couple steps, walk two steps and keep running," said Perez after the game, in a Kansas City Star report. "But when you start to get loud, to say some bad words … I don't like that. He had to respect my team and my pitcher. We're professional in here. I don't like that and he told me at second base, 'I like to have fun, Salvy, what do you want me to do?' I was like, 'OK, we like to have fun too. I like to have fun. You see me every day out there, laughing and having fun every day. But I don't disrespect your team. I respect your team, too. I hit some homers too, I keep running the bases, I don't get loud like you.' That's the only thing I told him. Keep doing what you're doing, bro, have fun, but again respect my team. That's it. So he was mad about that. What you want me to do? I can't do anything about that."
(Perez did himself no favors when he also told reporters: "If you're gonna keep doing that … I'm going to hit you. I'm going to tell the pitcher to hit him. … If you want to fight, let's fight." Intentionally drilling an opponent for what is essentially inconsequential behavior will not play well in retrospect should a Royals pitcher actually dot Anderson in a future encounter.)
Anderson, of course, got into it just last week, for similar reasons, with Justin Verlander. The guy likes to celebrate. For his reaction to it, Perez was labeled as a member of "the fun police" by various sources. There are, however, some considerations.
For those in Anderson's camp who decry the stifling of emotion on a ballfield, let's take the conversation to its logical conclusion: At what point does celebration become overkill? A classic Barry Bonds pirouette, only while running the bases instead of standing in the batter's box? Summersaults? Ripping off one's uniform jersey, like they do in soccer? The question is not aimed at painting false equivalency, but wondering about the point at which a player's behavior—presuming that none of it is aimed at the opposition—might eventually cross the line, even for those who support that kind of thing. Baseball is obviously more lenient now than it was during past generations, but how lenient is it, really?
I think the answer can be found in what came next, after Anderson's confrontation with Perez.
Duda's walk—the play that advanced Perez to second—loaded the bases. The next batter, Abraham Almonte, hit a sharp grounder to shortstop that Anderson booted, allowing Mike Moustakas to score from third. (It was ruled a single, but easily could have been an error. Watch it here.) Alex Gordon followed by stroking a two-run single to center, giving the Royals a 3-1 lead in a game they ended up winning, 5-2.
Anderson's confrontation last week against Verlander ended with him getting picked off of second base at a point in which the pitcher was on the ropes and the White Sox desperately needed baserunners. This one ended with the Royals scoring three runs that might have remained off the board had Chicago's shortstop been less distracted.
And there it is: Anderson's shtick will eventually become too much, even for his most ardent supporters, when it begins to interfere with his team's chances to win baseball games. Based on the above examples, he may already have reached that point.
Showboating, Unwritten-Rules
Puerto Rico Ama A Francisco Lindor: A Celebratory Lesson
Posted on April 18, 2018 April 18, 2018 by Jason Turbow
I've referenced 2017's World Baseball Classic twice in posts this season, and it's only April. Today is the third—and most pertinent. Francisco Lindor hit a home run yesterday, then effectively paraded his way around the bases, skipping, waving his arms and inciting the crowd. Afterward, he publicly apologized for potentially offensive behavior.
As with most things, details matter.
An awesome moment for Francisco Lindor as he homers in Puerto Rico. pic.twitter.com/NRdCMuDWJC
— CBS Sports (@CBSSports) April 18, 2018
The WBC was terrific because it showed us a Puerto Rico national squad that was unafraid, within the context of the way baseball is played on the island (and throughout much of Central America), to show some emotion on the field. Though the occasional American red-assed stick-in-the-mud took issue with this, it was generally seen as a good thing.
Lindor was on that Puerto Rico team. Last night's game was held in Puerto Rico, against the Twins at San Juan's Hiram Bithorn Stadium.
Of course Lindor celebrated.
Such is the reach of baseball's unwritten rules—especially the part held up by American red-assed stick-in-the-muds—that Lindor recognized after the fact that his antics might not have been appreciated by the opposing team. Thus, we got this:
Lindor said he loves the game, respects the game and did not try to disrespect Twins. He apologized if he offended anyone while celebrating his home run on the bases. #PuertoRicoSeries
— Jesse Sanchez (@JesseSanchezMLB) April 18, 2018
That Cleveland was playing the Twins was unfortunate, given Minnesota's collective, ludicrous, unwritten-rules-inspired groan at a perfectly reasonable bunt earlier in the season. If any team would take issue with a hometown kid playing by hometown rules after succeeding in front of his hometown fans, it'd be these guys, right?
As it turns out: not so much.
FWIW: @Twins did not complain or say anything negative about Francisco Lindor's home run postgame. They get it. It was a huge moment for Lindor and the island. https://t.co/nu7QIUIoJn
Twins didn't say anything. They are not the fun police. That's not fair. I've actually heard good things about them being engaged on the island and in game. Lindor was asked about the homer postgame and unprompted, he said he is sorry if anyone was offended. https://t.co/Ts0KiDL4Nc
Credit to Lindor for sensitivity with this issue, and relieved acknowledgement that everybody involved seemed content to let him have this particular moment.
Update, 4-18: The Twins agree: Lindor was a-ok.
Don't Showboat, Retaliation
Breaking: Yasiel Puig Doesn't Like Inside Pitches
Posted on July 17, 2017 by Jason Turbow
On Friday, Yasiel Puig homered twice against the Marlins. On Saturday, the first pitch he saw arrived fast and inside. He didn't appreciate the coincidence.
It may have been exactly that—a coincidence—but Puig wasn't about to abide by shenanigans from Miami starter Jose Urena, real or imagined. Even though the pitch didn't hit him, he took angry steps toward the mound before Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto, followed by players from both teams, intervened.
Jose Urena throws an inside pitch that narrowly misses Yasiel Puig, who walks towards the mound as the benches clear in the top of the 2nd pic.twitter.com/xbLIfuBAQT
— TheRenderMLB (@TheRenderMLB) July 16, 2017
Here's the thing: Puig didn't like the possibility that an opponent might be sending a message about his prior success against them. That's fair. What he's discounting is that, following his second homer a night earlier—a go-ahead three-run shot—he did no small amount of showboating.
Credit that W to @YasielPuig. #Crushed pic.twitter.com/dd1TwhAl5e
— MLB (@MLB) July 15, 2017
MOOD. pic.twitter.com/El2h1Olvwh
— Los Angeles Dodgers (@Dodgers) July 15, 2017
Sometimes teams don't appreciate that.
Whether Urena intended to send a message doesn't really matter to this particular argument. More than anybody, Puig is responsible for the widespread acceptance of batter's box theatrics around baseball. He's a bat-flip early-adopter, a guy so unremitting in the practice that pitchers, unable to tamp it out of existence, simply came around to accepting it as standard practice.
But if a guy like that wants to play that way, he has to be aware that some old-school holdouts might still take offense. Urena might be one of them. Or, as the pitcher said after the game, his two-seamer might simply have sailed a bit too far inside. If it's the latter, there's no reason for Puig to consider it. If it's the former, Puig has to be aware that he himself was Urena's muse.
(Marlins manager Don Mattingly denied any connection to an earlier kerfuffle between the teams. Even Dodgers manager Dave Roberts weighed in on Urena's side, saying in an MLB.com report, "No one likes to be crowded, but [you have] to understand that there wasn't intent, and it's clear to me that there was no intent.")
After the game, Urena told reporters that Puig "Got like a little baby" about the pitch. He was correct. Irrespective of Urena's intentions, Puig—and any player at his end of the showboat spectrum—has to understand that such behavior will occasionally come at a cost. If said cost is being drilled, the decision to react may be justified. If the cost is simply having to jackknife out of the way, and then getting to hit from ahead in the count, Puig should grow the hell up.
Growing up seems to be a persistent problem for the guy. In this case it hardly mattered, as Urena lasted only three innings and the Dodgers won, 7-1. LA's 3-2 win on Sunday featured no run-ins of note.
Puig Does Puig, World Freaks Out
Posted on June 23, 2017 June 23, 2017 by Jason Turbow
This is what it looks like when things snowball. Wednesday night, after the Mets intentionally walked a batter to face him, Dodgers outfielder Yasiel Puig connected for a monster home run, then stood frozen for several long beats to admire it. This should not have come as a surprise. It is what Puig does.
Still, it rankled numerous Mets. As Puig rounded first base, Wilmer Flores had some words for him. Puig turned around, mid-trot, incredulous, offered a quick Fuck you¸ then slowed his trot to a virtual crawl, his 32.1 seconds rounding the bases being the second-slowest time recorded this season. Catcher Travis d'Arnaud offered some additional thoughts as Puig crossed the plate. (We've seen that act before, notably when then-Braves catcher Brian McCann literally blocked the baseline to give Carlos Gomez an earful under similar circumstances in 2013.)
.@YasielPuig with a no-doubter! 💪 pic.twitter.com/5OrGDAww4I
— Los Angeles Dodgers (@Dodgers) June 22, 2017
What set the Mets' response apart, however, was what happened after the inning, when New York's Jose Reyes and Yoenis Cespedes tracked Puig down in the outfield to deliver a protracted screed about appropriate behavior on a baseball diamond.
"I don't think he knows what having respect for the game is," Flores told reporters after the game. "I think there's a way to enjoy a home run. That was too much."
"Run the bases," said Reyes in a Newsday report. "Don't stand up, then walk four or five steps, then run slow. Wow."
There are many things to unpack here.
What was the anger about, really?
Puig's tendency to showboat is maddening for many opponents, but it's also consistent. His display against the Mets, though hardly unique, may have been spurred to excess, at first by the preceding intentional walk, then by Flores' comment.
Still, Puig is a central character in the mainstreaming of this type of display over recent years. And he's hardly breaking new ground, either with his actions or in the types of response they solicit.
In 1977, Puig's homer-pimping forebear, Oscar Gamble, admired a shot against the Yankees for so long that even before he'd even left the box New York catcher Thurman Munson told him, "All right, now you're going to get drilled." (The threat was empty; Gamble was not hit in any of the teams' five remaining games that season.) Several years later, while playing for the Yankees, Gamble did it again, this time against Baltimore. Instead of threats, he—like Puig on Wednesday—was talked to by members of the opposition. "Eddie Murray and some of them other guys came up to me and said, 'All right now, you're taking a little too long up there,' " said Gamble, looking back. "That's respect for players. They let you get your little style points in there, and then you have to go on and do what you do."
Gamble's displays were influenced by Reggie Jackson, whose coup de grace came in 1981, during a home run trot against Cleveland's John Denny. Earlier in the game, Denny had thrown a pair of pitches up and in to Jackson before striking him out. When Reggie homered in his next at-bat, he showed his displeasure by pumping his fist toward the pitcher, then moving excessively slowly around the bases and tipping his cap as he trotted. Denny offered an earful for the duration with such invective that when Jackson crossed the plate, instead of heading back to the Yankees dugout he instead turned toward the mound, sparking an all-out fracas. (Among the peacemakers was Gamble, who literally helped lift Jackson over his head and carry him from the field.)
Jackson was himself influenced by one of the great sluggers of the 1960s, Harmon Killebrew, who was likely the first ballplayer to so admire his own handiwork. All of which is to say that Puig is not exactly breaking new ground, here.
Are the Mets angrier about their own play than about Puig?
After the game, Puig hardly seemed like man who had gained insight, saying, "If that's the way [Flores] feels, it might be a result of them not playing so well."
It's harsh but accurate. The Mets, losers of six of their last seven, sat at 31-40, 11.5 games back in the NL East, and had lost three straight to Los Angeles by a combined score of 30-8 while surrendering a dozen homers. Annoyances are more tolerable while winning than they are while doing whatever it is the Mets have done this year.
"It's frustration from everyone," Reyes admitted later.
At least Puig is consistent. The Mets, who entered the season with postseason dreams, are not.
Is a lecture better than a fastball to the ribs?
Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of the exchange was the discourse in the outfield between Puig, Cespedes and Reyes.
Cespedes, after all, is a poster child in his own right when it comes to showboating. For him to deliver a lecture on the subject indicates no small amount of transgression on Puig's part. According to Reyes, Puig had no idea what was on the Mets' mind when the New York duo tracked him down in the outfield.
"He didn't even know what he did," Reyes told reporters. "He continued to say to me and Cespedes, 'What did I do? What did I do wrong?' Wow. If you don't know what you did wrong, you've got problems."
Puig was so unable to handle the heat that he did not even look at Cespedes while his countryman grew increasingly animated during the conversation. Instead, he looked at Reyes, standing silently nearby. When it came time for Reyes to speak, he kept his message simple. "Man, you have to be better than that," he told Puig. "You have to make people respect you as a player."
It's a noble notion, but to judge by early results, it didn't take.
"[Cespedes] told me to try to run a little bit faster and gave me some advice," said Puig in a New York Post report. "I don't look at it that way."
Is it a cultural divide?
Much has been written about players from Latin America and the stifling nature of baseball's unwritten rules. Let players have fun out there has become a regular refrain on baseball blogs, and it's not entirely wrong. The ability to distinguish exuberance from disrespect is vital when it comes to integrating increasing numbers of foreign players into America's pastime.
But when Puig says things like this …
We are not understood. We have to adapt. There are things we are not used to doing in our countries. When you keep doing things wrong, people get tired; I even got tired myself. There should not be so many rules. You just have to do your job and let people have fun, which is what I was doing in 2013. They've wanted to change so many things about me that I feel so off. I don't feel like the player I was in 2013.
… it feels like an excuse. He has gone from the runner-up Rookie of the Year in 2013 to a guy the Dodgers have been actively shopping for multiple seasons now. His batting average has dropped from .319 to its current .244. Even though Puig is on pace to set a career high in homers (he currently has 13), his slugging percentage and OPS are far below what they were during his first two campaigns. He has been consistently injured, and was even farmed out to Triple-A Oklahoma City for a month last year. This is not simply a matter of his team stifling his celebratory nature.
In fact, it's worth asking whether the opposite might be true. Might Puig, without the onslaught of attention for his bat flips and home run watching, without the lectures from opponents and teammates alike, without the array of distractions caused by his own on-field behavior, maybe be a better player than he currently is?
The question is unanswerable, unless Puig himself proves it one way or another.
What are we left with?
Strip everything else away—the caveats about internal frustration and Puig's established behavior and all the prior precedence—and the lone question remaining is, Were the Mets right to get upset?
The answer is yes. The answer is yes because Puig's display on Wednesday was not about exuberance or about some unknown entity trying to stifle his essential nature. The answer is yes because Puig had malice aforethought in everything he did during the play. He was pissed that the Mets walked Joc Pederson to face him. He was pissed because Flores scolded him at first base, and d'Arnaud did it again at the plate. His action was intended to show the Mets up, and that's exactly how the Mets took it. Puig wasn't celebrating, he was gloating.
It's the difference between the first historic example above, in which Oscar Gamble was wrapped up in the wonder of being Oscar, and the second, in which an angry Reggie Jackson could not find enough ways to display his loathing of the opposition.
There is a distinction, and it is important. On Wednesday, the Mets understood it. To judge by his reaction, Puig never will.
Showboating, World Baseball Classic
There's A Party Goin' On Right Here/Just Watch Out For a Fastball In Your Ear
Posted on March 28, 2017 March 30, 2017 by Jason Turbow
Following up yesterday's post about the joy embraced by players from various countries in the World Baseball Classic (and how such embrace is frequently at odds with their big league counterparts), today I bring you a quote from Eric Thames.
Thames, of course, is the new Brewers first baseman, having spent the last three seasons playing in South Korea. (South Korea, you might recall, is known for some outlandish behavior by its ballplayers.)
While in Asia, Thames stepped up his pimp game. From Sports Illustrated's baseball preview issue:
Thames wore metallic gold arm and leg guards and celebrated home runs with a choreographed two-man skit that ended with a teammate tugging his beard and the two of them spinning on their heels to give a military-style salute to the home fans.
"Uh, not here," says Thames, who this spring wore white body armor. "You want me to get hit in the ribs?"
Yesterday, I pointed out that the joyful celebration shown internationally is having an effect upon the staid response to success in the majors. So why is Thames toning it down?
Because there is a difference. Because somebody responding to success openly and without filters is celebratory, but somebody pantomiming pre-planned shtick is more boastful than joyous. (Recall, if you will, another bit of home-plate soft-shoe perpetrated by these selfsame Brewers a number of years back.)
The line between those approaches dissects even bat flips. The ones from Korea seem to be self-indulgent ways of garnering attention. The South Korean players who make their way to the U.S. acknowledge as much. The flip by Jose Bautista following his ALDS-clinching homer against Texas in 2015, however, was none of that. They are distinct entities.
Baseball diamonds contain plenty of space for joy. There is far less leeway, however, for acts masquerading as joy. As Eric Thames noted, ballplayers can tell the difference.