title: Ancestral relation
text: # Ancestral relation
  
  In mathematical logic, the ancestral relation (often shortened to ancestral) of a binary relation R is its transitive closure, however defined in a different way, see below.
  
  Ancestral relations make their first appearance in Frege's Begriffsschrift. Frege later employed them in his Grundgesetze as part of his definition of the finite cardinals. Hence the ancestral was a key part of his search for a logicist foundation of arithmetic.
  
  ## Definition
  
  The numbered propositions below are taken from his Begriffsschrift and recast in contemporary notation.
  
  A property P is called R-hereditary if, whenever x is P and xRy holds, then y is also P:
  
      $(Px\land xRy)\rightarrow Py$
  
  An individual b is said to be an R-ancestor of a, written $aR^*b,$ if b has every R-hereditary property that all objects x such that aRx have:
  
      $\mathbf {76:} \ \vdash aR^{*}b\leftrightarrow \forall F[\forall x(aRx\to Fx)\land \forall x\forall y(Fx\land xRy\to Fy)\to Fb]$
  
  The ancestral is a transitive relation:
  
      $\mathbf {98:} \ \vdash (aR^{*}b\land bR^{*}c)\rightarrow aR^{*}c$
  
  Let the notation I(R) denote that R is functional (Frege calls such relations "many-one"):
  
      $\mathbf {115:} \ \vdash I(R)\leftrightarrow \forall x\forall y\forall z[(xRy\land xRz)\rightarrow y=z]$
  
  If R is functional, then the ancestral of R is what nowadays is called connected:
  
      $\mathbf {133:} \ \vdash (I(R)\land aR^{*}b\land aR^{*}c)\rightarrow (bR^{*}c\lor b=c\lor cR^{*}b)$
  
  ## Relationship to transitive closure
  
  The Ancestral relation $R^{*}$ is equal to the transitive closure $R^{+}$ of $R$. Indeed, $R^{*}$ is transitive (see 98 above), $R^{*}$ contains $R$ (indeed, if aRb then, of course, b has every R-hereditary property that all objects x such that aRx have, because b is one of them), and finally, $R^{*}$ is contained in $R^{+}$ (indeed, assume $aR^{*}b$; take the property $Fx$ to be $aR^{+}x$; then the two premises, $\forall x(aRx\to Fx)$ and $\forall x\forall y(Fx\land xRy\to Fy)$, are obviously satisfied; therefore, $Fb$, which means $aR^{+}b$, by our choice of $F$). See also Boolos's book below, page 8.
  
  ## Discussion
  
  Principia Mathematica made repeated use of the ancestral, as does Quine's (1951) Mathematical Logic.
  
  However, it is worth noting that the ancestral relation cannot be defined in first-order logic. It is controversial whether second-order logic with standard semantics is really "logic" at all. Quine famously claimed that it was really 'set theory in sheep's clothing.' In his books setting out formal systems related to PM and capable of modelling significant portions of Mathematics, namely - and in order of publication - 'A System of Logistic', 'Mathematical Logic' and 'Set Theory and its Logic', Quine's ultimate view as to the proper cleavage between logical and extralogical systems appears to be that once axioms that allow incompleteness phenomena to arise are added to a system, the system is no longer purely logical.
  
  